No debate. MJ is the goat. 🐐

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

All day long! Absolutely 🤙🏾👍🏽

@inf4mousvloglife1572

Ай бұрын

@@kevperspective Exactly 💯

Longevity doesnt define greatness. Thats why i consider Kawai Leonard a better player than LeFlop

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

Exactly! LeBron supporters in this debate always mention his “Longevity” and “All time” stats that’s a reflection of the longevity. They think because lebron playing longer, he is greater….

@user-zo5cc2ns8z

16 күн бұрын

Especially when you are losing. Broke Kareem scoring record 😂 . Kareem top 3 all time scoring rebounds and blocks. 10 finals 6 rings. Last ring 40 years old. Last finals MVP 38 years old. 6 MVP awards

@user-zo5cc2ns8z

16 күн бұрын

I was wrong about Kareem age when he got his last ring. He was 41

LeBron is quite an athlete, but he doesn't have the finesse Jordan had. LeBron is a thugballer.

I just can't understand how Jordan winning 34 prestigious trophies in 13 years vs the other guy winning 17 in 21 years isn't transparent proof. The eye test alone is transparent.

I'm a Chicagoan born and raised right here. Michael Jordan was not only the greatest player of all time which was and is evidenced by what he did in the NBA, he was also just a guy who loved performing and playing in the off season. Back then, in Chicago, they had summer leagues where our city's best high school, college, and pro players would come to gyms in the inner city neighborhoods and play for free just to give those of us who couldn't get a ticket to the Chicago Stadium a chance to see basketball played on a higher level. Jordan NEVER missed out on those kinds of things. Because of him, players like Dominique Wilkins and hometown guys who went to play in other cities like Mark Aguirre would show up. Those were some great games that they put on. All for free. It's just not something that you would see great players doing much of today. I remember a commercial that Jordan had long before the championship years called "The Love Of The Game Clause" It was a Nike commercial where Jordan talked about his ability to drive down the street, see a bunch of guys playing a pickup game, pull his car over and get out and play. He said in the commercial that he was the only player in the league at the time who had it in his contract that he could play those kinds of games and if he got hurt he could still be paid. It was the "love of the game clause" in his contract. I'll never forget that. That man was something special. I don't know what players today do when they're driving down the street in urban areas where they see guys playing. But I know what Michael did in Chicago in the mid to late 80s and beyond. I just wanted to share that with friends of basketball.

@kevperspective

28 күн бұрын

Nice! Thanks for sharing! MJ is just all around great. 👍🏽💯

4 years later of stats and lebron hasn't moved in the goat convo. Jordan's run was so dominant it'll never be replicated again. Lebron isn't above kareem, kobe, or magic imo...even Bird. Lebron is great, but is the softest "superstar" ever. Takes no accountability, blames teammates and coaches constantly. Disgraceful calling himself "goat". That Walter Payton quote is too poetic in that aspect.

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

You said it BEST! I chose a 4 year old video to prove that even 4 years ago, this debate wasn’t a debate and never will be. Jordan is by far the goat and lebron not close 💯👍🏽

When you good at something,you’ll tell people but when you great at something,they’ll tell you- Walter Payton.

@kevperspective

21 күн бұрын

💯🔥

He might be good in this era that doesn't make him a top 50 this era sucks he has no talent

@kingjruck6507

Ай бұрын

I agree 💯

The Warriors had a ALL TIME REGULAR SEASON RECORD of 73 WINS - 9 LOSSES... YET, they UTTERLY FAILED to WIN THE BIGGEST PRIZE IN THE NBA WORLD.... THE FINALS... THE CHAMPIONSHIP. AND... while GSW were LEGENDARY... they COULDN'T PRODUCE A THREE-PEAT... Jordan's Chicago Bulls did it TWICE, which was said in THIS video... so... "FACTS don't care about your FEELINGS." mentality. How's THAT for some UGLY TRUTH. Bronsexuals will NEVER, EVER, E-V-E-R hold LeBron James accountable for his failures OR his TEAM'S PISS-POOR PERFORMANCE in the NBA PLAYOFFS & NBA FINALS. One thing that can be said is LeBron James is on a HAND-PICKED TEAM, which he fashioned AROUND HIMSELF, so that False narrative that Jordan is TOTALLY FAKE... JORDAN NEVER, EVER PLAYED WITH A ALL-STAR (until Scottie Pippin made the ALL-STAR TALENT LEVEL later on in his career). So, yeah... MJ IS STILL THE REAL DEAL GREATEST INDIVIDUAL PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME. NO CAP. PERIOD. Now, seriously, James isn't even in Kobe Bryant's level of GREATNESS, Competitiveness, & OVERALL BASKETBALL LEADERSHIP ABILITIES... much less in JORDAN'S GOD-LIKE STATISTICS LEVEL, TITAN-LIKE GREATNESS, COMPETITIVENESS, & GOD-LIKE LEADERSHIP LEVEL (remember he played on BOTH SIDES OF THE BASKETBALL... OUTSTANDING OFFENSE & SUFFOCATING DEFENSE FOR THE FULL 48 MINUTES EVERYTIME, ALL DAY, EVERY DAMN DAY). What BETTER mentor for Kobe Bryant to have than His Airness. 'NUFF SAID. MIC DROP 🎤.

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

BOOM! You said it best! Jordan is the GOAT! 💯👍🏽

@freddytorres3609

24 күн бұрын

u said.."The Warriors had a ALL TIME REGULAR SEASON RECORD of 73 WINS - 9 LOSSES... YET, they UTTERLY FAILED to WIN THE BIGGEST PRIZE IN THE NBA WORLD!!" Yet u think lebron aint great?? wasnt him the reason the Warriors lost?? The Warriors then had to sign Kevin Durant for one reason and one reason only "TO BEAT LEBRON!!.MJ had Scottie, kuckos ,rodman ,kerr and a hall of fame coach in Phil Jackson all in the same team!!

@TJS-ms5gm

24 күн бұрын

@@freddytorres3609 Let's GO WITH THE FACTS... JORDAN'S FIRST THREE-PEAT happened when he was the ONLY ALL-STAR TALENT, 'cuz Pippin was STILL getting used to life under playing with someone as TALENTED as JORDAN. The Chicago Bulls did NOT have Rodman due to his " personal legacy" in the Detroit Pistons (The LEGENDARY BAD BOYZ). Kerr, was acquired AFTER Jordan's FIRST THREE-PEAT, as was Tony Kukoc, & the REST of the Chicago Bulls roster that were responsible for JORDAN & Phil Jackson's SECOND THREE-PEAT... to include Longley & Ron Harper. SO... YEAH... FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS mentality DOES APPLY HERE. SORRY FOR RAINING ON YOUR PARADE... BUT... YUP... LeBron James isn't worthy. But, he's ALSO the one who said... "In the end, it's just BASKETBALL." Spoken like a TRUE LOSER. I rest my case. MIC DROP 🎤.

😊 LeBron wouldn't last one quarter if the bad boy pistons did him like Jordan it's a miracle Jordan played as long as he did they tried to kill him

I agree 💯 percent

I’m a year younger than Lebron and from a CLE suburb. My first love, aside from my own mother, was Mark Price and the early ‘90s Cavs. My bias has always leaned Lebron. I was even a “Lebron GOAT truther” after the 2016 finals, thought he had to be the best player ever. Especially since I had no love for MJ, considering he single handedly erased my favorite sports team from historical memory. But I knew I was only 12 when MJ retired, too young to ever analyze MJs game or really even remember much of it. So sometime around 2019 I decided to finally due my due diligence and look up some classic Cavs vs MJ games, some MJ highlights, and some of his lesser known accomplishments. Here’s what I learned. The more you dig into MJ, the more impressive he gets. The inverse is true for Lebron. And TBH, at this point I think it’s ridiculous the LeMedia has convinced the majority of ppl Lebron is the consensus #2. I personally have trouble ranking the greats 1-10, so my ranking is tiers. There’s Tier MJ (Tier 1) bc two 3peats with entirely different rosters (Pippen the only single player left from the 1st), 10 scoring titles, 3x steals leader, 639 games played never losing more than 2 in a row. He’s not the basketball player of all time, he’s the greatest athlete in any sport ever so yeah, he gets his own tier. Tier Two is everyone with a legit GOAT case had MJ not existed. This is where Wilt and Bill would go but bc they placed during the leagues infancy when the game has changed so much, I like to give them their own place as the godfathers who laid the foundation, GOATs in their own right but impossible to objectively rank among the modern game. So Tier 2 is where I put Magic, Larry Legend, Kareem, Hakeem, Kobe. Then Tier 3 is also packed with absolutely incredible players, Duncan, Steph, Shaq, and yes, Lebron. Theres no shame being on this Tier, and it’s absolutely where Lebron belongs when you look at what he accomplished. He was a great player who rarely underachieved, but also almost never overachieved. Especially when you consider how much talent he’s had his entire career…

Kareem 6 MVP awards. 2 scoring titles. Remember his rebounds and blocks. Top 3 all time

haven't seen one of those disco balls since 2007. Nice!

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

Lol I randomly seen it at Walmart and decided to buy it. It was definitely an impulse buy. 😂😂

The resting on defense and the limited amount of defensive win shares and the fact that LeBron still trailed Jordan in offensive rebounds and steals destroyed the longevity argument for him. The only thing that I disagree with this video is LeBron having a longer peak that is still going because he rests on both offense and defense and needs super teams to win but still lost and even missed the playoffs with better teammates than what MJ won championships with and the rules changes after his rookie season helped him look great.

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

Good take! 💯💪🏾

When did Bron pass up Kobi? Bron isn't anywhere on the same level as MJ...

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

Exactly! Kobe is greater than lebron. If there was a reasonable Goat debate, it should be at least Kobe and Lebron

Years after his retirement people are looking for the next Michael Jordan. That’s why you hear Anthony Edwards being compared to him today. They’re already starting to forget about LeBron and no one is looking for the next LeBron James. The GOAT (MJ) is still the measuring stick for the NBA.

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

Absolutely! Jordan will always be the comparison. 💯👍🏽

2:45 greatest team goota be a legit dynasty...gotta at least have a back-to-back. But MJ got two 3-peats. Greatest team in the Lebron era is Golden State. Lol

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

True 😂😂

Kareem first finals MVP and ring 2nd year in league. Last one 16 years later. Why does anyone even mention LeBron? Not top 5

Lebron is no where near.. Jordan didn't need to play 20yrs to win 6 rings. Jordan retired twice which player do you know who could ever retired and come back to win another 3 peat? Jordan didn't need years or move teams just to win rings.. Jordan stayed in one team and made them the best where lebron kept moving so he would win rings that's a no no..

"Jordan IS on another atmosphere than Lebron James" (u aint NEVER LIE)

Real talk? Michael Jordan was the first Avatar what I mean by that this man is an Airbender

I love hearing the truth about who's on top of the nba GOAT mountain. My rankings will never change. 1. MJ, 2. GOD, 3. BLACK MAMBA. If you have to say your the greatest of all time your just not. The greats that came before Lebron never claimed or would say such disrespectful shit. Why? Because they recognized the greats that turned the lights on. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

It's never been a debate, there was a time I thought LeBron could be 2nd. But over time I started looking more thoroughly into it and saw he really wasn't that high up. He's still an all-time great but just not on that level. Wilt Chamberlain would be the GOAT if it was only stats. He played and lived for stats just like LeBron is doing. And the fact that he hasn't consistently been a great shooter outside 3ft as a wing proves he's not that guy.

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

Good take! I agree

"Why is this even a debate"? (the REALEST shit EVER SAID!)

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

For sure! 💪🏾💯

29:20.... that's a very good point about the "better scorere debate". I'm going to even add more to it...... Besides the time where was either as a rookie, injured, coming off of retirement, or playing on the Washington Wizards. He was the Scoring Champion every year. Even his rookie season, He was THIRD. while mostly shooting over 50% from the field.

This must be before lebron was on that "new juice. That balco"😂 He skinny af😮

there's no debate with Kobe either. If you're speaking players in their prime, I believe there are a number of players that giving the same talent around them would have been more successful and are clearly better than James.

"its not close": i AGREE A 'MILLION' % !

Check Kareem against the criteria. Media hype for LeBron. When Magic won finals MVP. Kareem was MVP of the NBA

There really isn't a debate!!! G.O.A.T.s don't flop!!!! G.O.A.Ts don't whine and G.O.A.Ts play BOTH ENDS of the court!!! LJ does the first thing and definitely NOT the second thing!!! LJ is a media creation and nothing else!!!

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

I agree! Jordan is by far the GOAT. 💯

10 finals 4 rings 😂. Kareem 10 finals 6 rings. 6 MVP awards. Last ring 40 years old . Last finals MVP 38 years old. Magic won finals MVP rookie year. Young folks don't know. Kareem was MVP of the NBA that year. Media hype has polluted your mind.

What is amazing to me is that Lebron has had 21 seasons to win 4 championships And MJ played 13 seasons and won 6 championships Oh I’m even including the two wizard yrs that he didn’t even need play to win those 6 chips MJ only played 11 full seasons with Bulls. His second yr and the yr from 1st retirement he played 18 games or less. So no. Those’s aren’t seasons. Those aren’t even 1/4 of a season.

@kevperspective

29 күн бұрын

💯👍🏽

Longevity Kareem. Last ring. 40 Years Old

Lolololol lebron is barely a top ten player. I don’t get it. Lebron can’t shine Kobe’s shoes. You guys don’t know the game. Winning doesn’t matter to mustache of you. LeBron isn’t even better then bird.

Bird best small forward. A little better than Mike in the clutch. Number 5 on my list . Mike,Wilt , Kareem, Russell , and Bird

LeBron passed Kareem in scoring. Kareem still top 3 scoring rebounds and blocks. MVP finals 38 years old. How is LeBron better than Kareem? 6 rings

LeBron not close to Kareem.

It never was a debate, MJ has always been the guy. Somebody made a Kodi v Labron video is pretty interesting. I always told my friends don't try to make the comparisons until LBJ is retired. Let the dust settle and see what you got.

@kevperspective

25 күн бұрын

Yup! I agree, I think the better and more reasonable comparison is Kobe VS Lebron. Jordan is on another planet.

Top 3 Mike, Wilt , and Kareem

MJ is the best of all time 🇹🇹🇹🇹👍👍👍👍👍

Mj all day!! 🐐

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

All day and forever! 💯💪🏾

2 players qualify for GOAT. Wilt and Mike. Aliens. Wilt may have been the greatest athlete ever. 7'2" . 7'11" wingspan. 48" (4 feet) . Bench press 500 lbs. Palm 2 16 pound bowling balls. 72 NBA records. 4.4 40 . Mike same vertical. 4.3 40 . If you have seen Mike go to the basket on all those big 7' protecting the rim and dunk on them ( sometimes knocked them on their ass ) LeBron stronger 😂 2" taller against 48" vertical. LeBron better get a step later. Ridiculous

Kareem career field goal percentage 56 percent

He shouldn't even be in the goat convention, he put himself in the conversation he shouldn't be he's not even a top 50 so stop with it, this era sucks

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

Exactly! 👍🏽

@user-zo5cc2ns8z

25 күн бұрын

I'm not that hard on LeBron. He is top 50 . We will never know if he could play with no defensive 3 seconds and BIG 7 footers protecting the rim

It’s beautiful and 1 class against power MJ is the goat by far

LeBron not close to Wilt. Wilt 7'2". 48" vertical. 4.4 40 . 500lbs bench press. Palmed 2 16 pound bowling balls. 72 NBA records. Mike first . Wilt second. Aliens. Wilt may be the greatest athlete ever. Track and field his favorite sport. Undefeated high jumper and shot put. Ran the 220 , 440 and 880 . Google Wilt and Magics pick up games at UCLA. Wilt showed up. Had a disagreement with Magic over a goal tend call. He said no baskets on this goal 40:37 . He blocked everything. No baskets Wilt once blocked Kareems sky hook 3 times in a row. Your goat could not

For me it's if total point career points mattered then Kareem would have been the goat then but he wasn't so neither is LeBron it didn't matter then it don't matter now

Kareem 10 finals. 6 rings

LeBron not top 5. Mike, Wilt , Kareem , Bird, and Russell

Lebron isn't even better than Larry Bird lol, that's the debate to be had given they play/played the same position. For the record I have Bird and Jordan at 1a and 1b, for different reasons because they were different players.

@user-zo5cc2ns8z

16 күн бұрын

LeBron maybe top 10 . Larry 5 . Mike, Wilt, Kareem , Russell and Larry

Nah... bron still only has 3 chips... that bubblicious disney ring is not a real championship... that ring is weak as fuck..

@kevperspective

23 күн бұрын

Yea I feel like Lebron only has one ring. Ray Allen and Kyrie saved him twice! And the bubble for sure was weak. 👍🏽

@weswarden2216

23 күн бұрын

@@kevperspective yep... literally 2 shots away from having 8 finals loses.

Lebron doesn't make players around him better. In fact they have to adjust there games to tailor there abilities to complement Lebrons flawed approach to playing the game. This also shows his ignorance of the game. Mental toughnes?? Lebron throws whomever he can under the bus to excuse himself from accountability. Kobe and MJ took responsibility for why they lost a playoff game or series. Mental toughness is huge and I'm sorry Lebron has folded way too much in times of pressure. Lebron isn't even in my top 10 because he simply lacks humility. No one has sat Lebron down to explain to him that he needs to grow up and start being aware of yourself. All the talent lebron has played alongside him to fail as much as he has is enough to laugh at the biggest bs argument of all time!!

Did y'all hear me say he was ecstatic when he won for Cleveland? He was ecstatic. He was so ecstatic he lost his mind and called himself the greatest of all times just because he brought a title to a city that hadn't had one. If that's the case, Michael Jordan could have just called himself that back when he won one from Chicago. You see what I'm saying. You can't call yourself the greatest cuz you won a championship cuz your team hasn't had one in 50 years. You know that doesn't make you the greatest it don't. It's like doing some one time and now all of a sudden you the best in the land forever really? You did it one time. Wow! Ask him how many championships did he win for Cleveland before giving up on them again and leaving. Wow! Get it together guys when y'all talking about your players. Most things like the movie My cousin Vinny most things y'all say end up convicting LeBron as being lesser than Jordan. You're proving our point with what you're trying to say about LeBron being great, just stop there is Michael Jordan and then there is everybody else. I don't care what they say. I don't care. What Will Chamberlain say. It was a great player in this day when he was young. Yes he was a beast but I just think Jordan is so elusive and with those springs in them legs that he got his young self prime against Will Chamberlain young self prime would be a problem for Will Chamberlain Mike was relentless and Wilt was a little stiff that would have been a really bad disadvantage for him. Wilt wasn't as agile as Mike. Mike was agile elusive quick and could spring out of the gym on you at a moment's notice that is dangerous. That is the type thing that'll make you go to the Boston garden and drop 64 on Larry Bird and Boston Celtics head and make Larry call you God I've never heard anybody refer to LeBron James as being God as being an offensive Juggernaut use words like his defensive Morales I've never heard them use words like that for LeBron. They used words for Jordan that you had to go look up. If you just wasn't already smart. There is no comparison. It's not even close. If Jordan played in this era right now, this man would be considered. It probably isn't even a word for what he would be considered literally out there. Still dropping 50 balls on people head and he's over 50. He's 60 if I'm not mistaken or close to 60 years old

@kevperspective

25 күн бұрын

Jordan is definitely on another planet than Lebron. 👍🏽💯

Goat!🐐

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

All day long! 💯💪🏾

Greatest team ever assembled yet added KD and got better???

@kevperspective

28 күн бұрын

Facts! 👍🏽

Lebum is the gwoat (greatest waste of all time) period 👑😂

@kevperspective

Ай бұрын

The most overrated athlete of all time smh

@raymondfowlkes6821

Ай бұрын

@@kevperspective yo man you can use my gwoat quote on your next video l feel like it needs to be out in the universe 🤷tell me what you think about it.

@kingjruck6507

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂 Big Facts

@Anthony39222

23 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I feel like he only put in the "longevity" category jus to be able to give lebron a win... but the longevity thing isn't all that impressive and I disagree that lebrons peak lasted 16 yrs.. he was not in peak form his first few seasons in the league...he didnt hit his peak till like 07 and ended in like 2017-2018... so his peak was about 10 yrs... Jordan on the other was pretty much in peak form as soon as he came into the league. When's the last time we seen a rookie average 28ppg and lead the whole league in total points? Lebron not even a legit top 10 all time talent, he has no business being brought up in the same sentence as Michael Jordan...

@kevperspective

23 күн бұрын

Jordan definitely on another planet than Lebron! No comparison at all.

@weswarden2216

23 күн бұрын

@@kevperspective agreed

I'm sick of this LeBron and Jordan debate they will never play against another I'm just sick of this every day

@raidercujo8636

22 күн бұрын

It's the media fault LeESPN they talk about it every day

@kevperspective

16 күн бұрын

Yup! Mainstream media keep him in the spotlight

Lebron now is a king of flops

Kareem

Lebron didn't experience physical play,if rodmad will guard him as his age will go as this far

So weak

BTW, Wilt was the GOAT.

@victorydaydeepstate

Ай бұрын

Nobody knows how many blocks Wilt had because the NBA didn't start keeping track of them until Wilt had retired! Imagine how many blocks per game did Wilt average? We shall never know...

@victorydaydeepstate

Ай бұрын

What if Wilt played with the three-point shot? Once again, we shall never know.

@robf760

Ай бұрын

Maybe Wilt was the GOAT before MJ came along. There isn't enough footage of him for him to truly be considered the GOAT.

@victorydaydeepstate

Ай бұрын

@@robf760 Excuse me, I saw both of them play. Wilt was so good, he was bored. Wilt invented the fade away shot.

@robf760

Ай бұрын

@@victorydaydeepstate I respect your opinion. I'm just saying that overall there just isn't enough footage for the masses to see to consider him in the GOAT debate. I'm definitely not trying to downplay how good he was. I never saw him play so my opinion wouldn't mean jack anyway.

The argument ALL TIME but you don't want to talk about ALL TIME numbers. I'm beyond lost. I'll just stop here.

@inf4mousvloglife1572

Ай бұрын

You compare stats of 15 yrs to 20 yrs and lobronze still chasing the stats of MJ, C'mon .

Bro you off on ALMOST every topic you touched on. It's clearly bias. That man said he felt he achieved that status cause he beat a team that had the best record, and was down 3-1. You pressing winning chips where TEAMS does that. Not individual players. The fact that you used a 4 year old video is crazy. This might be your biggest fail. ALL TIME. Look at both players individual ALL TIME stats, and see what you come up with. If you want to argue better player it becomes a debate. When you say ALL TIME numbers don't lie.

@inf4mousvloglife1572

Ай бұрын

Your crying now because Lobronze is almost sweep by the Denver, Lebalco failed again. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@jaybroke2986

Ай бұрын

@inf4mousvloglife1572 The debate greatest of all time. Look up Jordan at 39 and then look at LeBron numbers. Let me know how you make out.

@inf4mousvloglife1572

Ай бұрын

@@jaybroke2986 Hahaha if Do the math comparing 20 yrs to 15 yrs but still chasing the numbers who do you considered as a Goat?

@inf4mousvloglife1572

Ай бұрын

@@jaybroke2986 And the debate is all about of accomplishment, there's nothing to do with Longevity because many players that last until 20 years and still losing the championship, MJ has 6-0 in a short period of time

@jaybroke2986

Ай бұрын

@inf4mousvloglife1572 the debate is greatest of ALL TIME. Longevity is important if you're looking at all TIME. Time is a MAJOR factor. It's not who had the best 10 seasons.

both overrated wilt mogs em