MJ accomplished more in less time and didn’t have to make a superteam. This was never a debate.

@sphereslip

17 күн бұрын

Absolutely true..Jordan stayed with the one team (not counting the Wizards because there was other factors involved) where as Lebron has to change teams to chase a ring, which he ain't gonna get. Plus he's a flopper like a 5 year old chucking a tantrum when he doesn't get his way.His finals record is poor too.

@delusionalskywizard796

16 күн бұрын

Bullshit dude. LeBron James is always had triple doubles and has completely out scored Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan never was a team player he was lucky to have one of the best benches and coaches to get him where he needed to go. LeBron James has always been a team player and has more points, more shifts, more blocks, and more rebounds than Michael Jordan will ever get close.

@jkemp6791

15 күн бұрын

@@delusionalskywizard796 - Hahahahahaha! I forgot how much LeBron fans love their longevity stats. They think it’s more important than championships, MVPs, finals MVPs, scoring titles, steals titles, 1st team all defense selections, etc, etc. What does LeBron have over MJ? He played longer. So keep pimping those longevity stats, my dude. Maybe you’ll convince someone if they have no clue about basketball. Just repeat some Nick Wright jock riding lines and you’ll be good. And LOL @ LeBron being a better teammate. Who joined multiple superteams and had teammates traded? Oh right. That was LeBron. Guess you don’t have a case. But hey! Longevity!! 🤣🤣

@inefekt

14 күн бұрын

@@delusionalskywizard796 really living up to your username there bro 😅🤣😂 FYI, this is how their stats ACTUALLY compare, rather than the simplistic and embarrassingly pathetic way you just described.... For a start, career totals are a completely pointless way of comparing the value of players on a _team_ sport. No team has ever benefited from having a player with 30k career points or 15k career rebounds or whatever. It does absolutely nothing for the team. What DOES benefit the team is having a player with great per game numbers because the team knows that, on average, this guy is going to be this productive on a nightly basis and that helps a team win. And winning is the _entire reason every damn pro sports exists._ So per game numbers are far, far more important than career totals and this is how they measure up against one another: In the regular season Jordan has: Higher PPG Higher ORPG Higher SPG Higher BPG Less TOPG Higher PER Higher BPM Higher WS/48 Higher VORP/48 Higher RAPTOR Higher WAR In the playoffs: Higher PPG Higher ORPG Higher SPG Less TOPG Higher PER Higher BPM Higher WS/48 Higher VORP/48 Higher RAPTOR Higher WAR Compare to LeBron who has: Regular Season: Higher DRPG Higher APG Playoffs: Higher DRPG Higher APG Higher BPG _It's not even close!_ 😅🤣😂

@thecaptain8569

12 күн бұрын

Can’t say that cause when pippin n horse grant came out they only had 19 pts a piece while mike already was scoring almost 50pts a game so he didn’t need pippin at all

A finals lost is a lost, but to get swept twice in the finals and still call yourself the goat is Atrocious… you got swept! Twice, swept.

@jap33jpd

Ай бұрын

Rightly said. You can never be in a GOAT conversation being swept twice.

@cotati76

Ай бұрын

And losing 4-1 another two times.

@dangeo1020

Ай бұрын

@@cotati76 I wanted to bring those two gentlemen sweep up but I said.. nah. You are 1000% right!

@cotati76

Ай бұрын

@@dangeo1020 I wanted to make sure to give him ALL the credit he deserves.

@mackman3294

Ай бұрын

Might be 3😂

TbH it was NEVER a debate 😂.

@rdogletree4543

Ай бұрын

Hell nawl, not even close, even if LeBron had 6 rings or wouldn't be once you dive deeper into it.

@JeromeLee-wf8ws

Ай бұрын

You have to realize LeBron came into NBA and instantly took over with low average teams...

@thegoat4148

Ай бұрын

@@JeromeLee-wf8wsfacts he was 22 and took his team to the finals

@chrislong8559

Ай бұрын

Dude the east was so weak for a long stretch of LeBron career. West has been more dominant since Jordan left the league.

@rdogletree4543

Ай бұрын

​@@JeromeLee-wf8wsIt wasn't instantly, he missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons but they did get better and double their wins. They went from 17-65 to 35-47, but the Nuggets in 02-03 had the same record. After getting Carmelo Anthony their record was 43-39 and they made the playoffs. With winning 8 more games as a rookie and having better numbers he should've been rookie of the year.

the olympic was the most embarrassing moment for all those NBA players. which included LBJ. that should automatically take him out of GOAT debate.

@k-mark9187

Ай бұрын

Yep what a loser

@kaukase539

17 күн бұрын

LeBronze is not even a top 75 player

I have spent over 10 years watching both and I can say Jordan is the better player.

@paulespinoza1994

Ай бұрын

He is and I have nothing against Lebron he is First ballot HOF player no doubt but MJ had no flaws in his game one major one that Lebron has never seem to shake is his FT percentage 74 percent for a player if his caliber is piss poor.

@garethbaker7346

Ай бұрын

@@paulespinoza1994 No I agree LeBron is a great player absolutely no doubt and he has been for many years. LeBron is just simply not the killer Jordan was. I was very disappointed to see how he blamed his teammates for the finals loss to Dallas, I watched every game of that series and he was the main reason for it.

@cotati76

Ай бұрын

Just look at his body language on the court. He pouts on the court. That’s gotta be really hard to have a teammate that gives up at the first sign of adversity.

@ryandavis6245

Ай бұрын

If you watched both, then it's more than 10 years . I already can't trust your word.

@garethbaker7346

Ай бұрын

@@ryandavis6245 I watched Jordan from 86 to retirement. I watched James for 2000 to date. Last I checked that means I watched both for over 10 years so I have more experience than I thought.

here's another good take...Lebron left the goat conversation when he teamed up with players he SHOULD have been competing against... Lebron, Dwade, and Bosh were 3 of the top 4 draft picks of their class (missing only Carmelo)...Lebron SHOULD have been having epic battles against Dwade, Bosh, and Carmelo...NOT joining together to get cheap rings...on the other hand, NONE of the other Bulls on MJ's teams would have been competition for him (not even PIppen) if they were on other teams...none of those other Bulls were team franchise players....MJ was THE player, Lebron was just one of 2 or 3 of his super teams

@bigbearkat2010

Ай бұрын

As much as I think Lebron is utterly inferior to Jordan, Bosh and Carmelo never would've been serious competition for Lebron. Carmelo had the stat padding, no defense tendencies of Lakers Lebron except he was dumb enough to do it in his prime and Bosh even at his best never took the Raptors anywhere, even in the craptastic Eastern conference.

@thegoat4148

Ай бұрын

Bron was with Cleveland for 7 years his Gm didn’t bring a star player to help him

@joeysweet9045

Ай бұрын

​@@thegoat4148if he was good enough they would have wanted to play with him!

@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525

29 күн бұрын

MJ was the player 🤣🤣🤣bruhh what did Mike achieved on the 80s when he's the player. Answer me now bum. It take the GOAT of coach, the GOAT of sidekick, the GOAT of rebound, bunch of hall of famers, and pure shooter to save his ass for him to win a chip. In fact when MJ left 93. Chicago wins 57 games with pip almost got the mvp. That's how good Chicago is when he's not around. Compare to brons team when he left. What happen to them

@V12BenzAMG

28 күн бұрын

@@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525 what are you talking about? do you not understand what I said? answer me now bum! NONE of MJ's teammates would have been his competition on another team....LEBRON HAD 3 of the top 5 DRAFT PICKS of his own class!! THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIS COMPETITORS... How many rings do you think MJ would have if he had 3 of the top 5 picks of HIS draft?? Akeem Olajuwon, Sam Bowie, Sam Perkins, Charles Barkley.....ANY TWO of those people on the same team as MJ would have been a powerhouse...THAT'S LEBRONS SHORTCUT...if you can't see that, you dont know basketball....twisted facts... "goat rebounder", Rodman? what about the first 3peat? Pippen came in at 7ppg and followed MJ's lead to become what he was...but in the end ONLY MJ brought the rings/3peats, not Pippen..."shooter to save him"...there were no game 7's so no one saved anyone UNLIKE Lebron who had several save him from ELIMINATION (allen, kyrie)

Where are all the LeBron fans? They don't like hearing facts broken down that proves who the real GOAT is.

@paulespinoza1994

Ай бұрын

It’s because they take it personal l, it’s not it’s just pure numbers and accomplishments! Lebron is a great player but he is not MJ but neither is anyone else so he should just keep playing until he retires and be happy. One in two million players that come through the system even make it to the NBA

@martinfal756

Ай бұрын

Jordan fans resume all to rings, but when is Bill Russell, they have only excuses. Lebron is a better scorer, passer, rebounder, blocker. Better at triples, better at triples doubles. Lebron never had a goat coach. Jordan never faced a prime curry, a prime Durant, a prime Duncan, a 73-9 team

@AdhamAkbarAahil

Ай бұрын

@@martinfal756Westbrook better than LeBron at triple doubles tf that stat have to do with anything 😂😂😂😂

@DubG89

Ай бұрын

Lebrons the goat. That’s all there is to it haters. That’s why these type of videos keep coming out. How you gon have a #3 overall pick on a pampered team be your goat? We all saw the bulls make a run in the playoffs without him. Lebron’s teams on the other hand didn’t even make the playoffs when he left. Stop it. 🤦 Goats carry teams 💪🐐. End of discussion.

@UFOsAreRealArea51

Ай бұрын

Why do you want that Michael Jordan be the greatest so bad? Lebron James fan right here I ain't running. So what's up? Answer my question, honestly. 💯🤷🏿‍♂️

Debate? Lol, it’s for views. There’s no debate. MJ is goat. I’m not even a Jordan fan. I hate him for beating my Pistons.

@dupree4397

6 күн бұрын

😂

@7Eightyone

4 күн бұрын

Pacer's fan here. Agreed.

One player has a good amount of clear "negatives," i.e. things that you can say wouldnt make anyone the greatest at anything. The other barely has even one that you can point to and say "well, THIS hurts his case... One is "in the debate" with 21 seasons. The other is the majority's overwhelming choice of GOAT with more or less 13. One has had, when in comparison to the other, virtually countless multi time all star teammates, on 3 different teams. The other has had one multi time all star teammate as his running mate, and another legendary-ish player for only 3 seasons. One has had detractors talk about choke jobs, or "shying away from the last shot/from the ball itself," with real instances to back it up. The other could never be one to have the CHOKE be pointed towards him, and absolutely never, EVER shyed away from anything less than wanting the ball in his hands for last shot, last few minutes, even entire 4th quarter. Doesnt matter who youre talking about in what sport, you cannot talk greatest ever under these circumstances, and frankly, i usually just stop after the 1st 2. You don't have to get into stats. You dont have to get into championships won or record in those championships. This isnt to say one failed and the othet didnt. This isnt to say one is the greatest and the other is just some mediocre player. This is talking what sadly SO MANY misunderstand when having this "debate," and that's the true definition of GREATEST. THE GREATEST, simply put, would not have that many things to point to where someone has to go hard tryin to give a rebuttal. And the fact of the matter is, even if by some insane miracle the Lakers win the chip this year, it doesnt change ANY of those 4 facts i laid out So long as there's an overall losing finals record, losses with better teammates, horrible clutch moments (and stats 😉), and an overall body of work that isnt as good in 21 years vs a guy who played almost half that, there is just no debate. And as a knicks fan since 86, i absolutely despise Michael Jordan lol... but the man IS THE GOAT. PERIOD.

@ismaelcruz9833

Ай бұрын

This is probably one of the best explanations I ever read for a while.

@2muchNoize23

Ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏Well said sir!!!! I mean just wow all you can say is GOT EMMMMM 😂😂💯💯💯💯💯🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

@SirJoCocchi

23 күн бұрын

Well explained, thanks ✌️

@myaccountisntthisone

23 күн бұрын

Jordan quit. Twice. While the best player in the league. The strain of three straight finals runs was more than he could handle. Don't pretend he doesn't doesn't have massive stains on his legacy. That's the Jordan standard though, the lows are ignored. Most carefully crafted media narrative image in the history of the game. He's also 0-2 against Bird, 1-3 against Thomas, and1-1 vs. Shaq. Only top level ATG player/team he ever faced and emerged with a winning record against was Magic whose team was on its last legs already. But we're supposed to pretend none of that matters, and he has a perfect resume.

@masterrserch3971

20 күн бұрын

@myaccountisntthisone u proved how much a hater you are once you said he quit cuz of pressure. I happen to be on the conspiracy side and believe the hidden suspension.... But to make NO MENTION of his father BEING MURDERED... did u SEE his reaction when he completed the 1st 3peat? U probably have no clue why without looking it up. And NOW I'll finally address your wide, slow, telegraphed haymakers. None of that is REMOTELY close to LeBron's negatives. At all. In any slant or universe, as long as you're being honest. Larry Bird is better than anyone LeBron beat or lost to. Period. And Jordan was still 2nd, 3rd year, including his lost injury year? Oh btw, u know Charles Oakley, right? U know, that versatile, super athletic, offensive FORCE OF NATURE, drilling J's in everyone's face, jumping from just inside the free throw line, quadruple crossover'n everyone? U know that man right? Yeah me neither. Cuz that ain't Charles Oakley. And that was MJ's early years 2nd option... 17 games I believe, coming back after busting his hump playing baseball,... no basketball training camp, no drills,,etc...and don't u DARE tell me that baseball is "easy" or some shit, cuz then I know ur a Delusional, uninformed, tubby.... and I'll wait to see ur response on that specifically... But anyway, really, none of that matters because what u deem as some negative failure when a 4 season or less MJ lost to Bird's LEGENDARY, top 5 all time Celts... 63. That's probably all I had to say. Forgive me if I came off like MJ is infallible. He's not. His 50%ish FG% in the clutch is outstanding, but it literally means he could miss just as much as he doesn't. But in NBA, it's INCREDIBLE for that situation and GOD LEVEL compared to your boys' under 30%. So. Once again. Comparing MJ's negatives/failures to virtually anyone else's (and let's be real I'm sure u mean LEBRON) is like me trying to feed u plain, low sugar, one scoop of Vanilla ice cream in a cup, and immediately asking ur thoughts. "Meh" is probably somewhat your thoughts. It's fine. It's ice cream. But nothing crazy. But then u turn around and try to feed me a cup of fresh, moist, musty, warm, horse manure--- but u are selling this CRAP like it's the goddamn best cut of filet mignon I or ANY LIVING human anyone could have... And THEN GOING A STEP FURTHER, AND U SAYING THAT MY PLAIN VANILLA ICE CREAM IS JUST AS BAD AS YOUR FOAMY, THICK HORSE MANURE CUP 😅😅😅! It's Delusional, ignorant, and pathetic

Lebron struggles to be considered top 10 all time. Its only because of his "help" he has 4 rings. Its because of Jordan,that Jordans "help" got" 6 rings.

@masterrserch3971

Ай бұрын

Not a Jordan fan, but absolutely NOT a Lebron guy, and I do think MJ is the GOAT. And Lebron is friggin awesome (not top 5 all time though)... Just wanted to get that out of the way and say that I disagree with your statement just a bit, in that while his Cavs champ team was good, he was clearly the reason they won, and boy oh boy did he come out and whip some arss, amd defeat the winningest regular season team in history; a team that was no stranger to the playoffs or finals, and had a prime Steph. That win over the Warriors, especially coming back from down 3-1, is the one thing I'll truly give Lebron credit for, and lots of it. Again, not saying it was Lebron and a bunch of Kelly Oubre's out there or something lol... but he was the leader of course and overcame a tremendous amount to get that chip ALSO that said, Lebron vs MJ as the GOAT should not ever be a debate. Period amen 😂

@user-mv2oo4hc3j

Ай бұрын

​@@masterrserch3971LeBron beat up on smaller teams when he faces a team with size he comes up short

@luisunda2842

Ай бұрын

​@@user-mv2oo4hc3j The Spirs dynasty won 5 rings why you sittin here actin like they bums. The 2nd time he literally faced the greatest team ever assembled so this point is mute.

@dryames4319

Ай бұрын

@@masterrserch3971 Kyrie was sooo underrated. He literally outplayed Curry but never gets his dues.

@TazthepitRIP

27 күн бұрын

To say Lebron isn't top 10 is ridiculous 😂😂😂😂 MJ is by far the more dominant player but Lebron is definitely a top 5 player.

11:33 the best metaphor ever......Lebron = cheap buffet, MJ = 5-star meal. What does that say about their respective stans?

@donnydutcher3310

Ай бұрын

Cheap buffet is crazy considering how good his peak was

@evolucien1309

Ай бұрын

tho good...this too was stolen from Dangerousproductions "Jordan vs Bron Best Comparison Ever" video, like 3-5 yrs ago. Much of this, is word for word, stolen

@_HMCB_

Ай бұрын

@@evolucien1309I wouldn’t doubt it. KZreadrs are something else. I’m seeing more stolen content and AI generated scripts than ever. It’s pathetic.

@luisunda2842

Ай бұрын

If most points all time amd 4 mvps with 4 rings is a chesp buffet then whats everypne whose under these two pond scum? They both great and play different positions. End of argument.

@CSDonohue11

28 күн бұрын

LeBron is The Sheeit He’s Dope AF But still…. JORDAN is Thee GOAT & really is not close All the analytics we have now & Mike only gets better. It’s a trip

There's never a debate between Jordan and Lebron to begin with! Michael Jordan is hands down the GOAT!

You can look at whatever numbers you want to but my main thing is that Jordan never lost in the finals. He also has a college championship and gold medal

@cmailloux30

Ай бұрын

6 Finals MVP’s without playing a game 7.

@paulespinoza1994

Ай бұрын

Gold medal, 8-0 against some of the best players in the game in there times at that time. I remember seeing clips of those games he was dunking and dominating these games and made it look easy. The look in these players faces were priceless. It was like this dude is from another planet it was crazy!!!!

@Michael-dd6hl

Ай бұрын

2 Gold Medals 1984 &1992. The 84 was all about him too. He was already cooking pros in games then. PS Jordan's Olympic team was 9-0 vs Pros like Magic- W.Davis-Worthy-Bird- Thomas-McHale and many other All Stars..now that's dominance

@thegoat4148

Ай бұрын

Bill Russell 11-1 and John Halvicek 8-0 in the finals

@Michael-dd6hl

Ай бұрын

@@thegoat4148 Yes..back before the NBA-ABA merger..not to take away what they did but half the world's greatest players were in the ABA ..Best to you. PS no player have had the impact that MJ did ..from the shoes to being the most famous NBA player of all time..by the way never lost a championship game or series Final from the NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP to the The Pan-Am games and the Olympics and of course 6 NBA Finals total win loss11-0..never faced a gm 7 in the Finals. Again best to u again.

Getting swept in the finals is one thing but FAKING a BROKEN HAND after the SWEEP is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE and is BEHAVIOR of A LIAR and a LOSER!

Lebron is not even the greatest Laker so it’s not even close. Lebron is synonymous to choke, turnover, Balco😂

@isaoblack987

Ай бұрын

Is he even a top 10 Lakers player? Kobe, Shaq, magic, Kareem, west, Gail, worthy and Baylor are all above him. I'd put the brow above him too. That means you only need one guy to boot him and I'm just going off the top of my head as not a Lakers guy.

@cockknockers694

Ай бұрын

@@isaoblack987bro you just put AD over him when LeBron was there a season before AD. You obviously come from a place of bias. Please never give your opinion on basketball ever again

@isaoblack987

Ай бұрын

@@cockknockers694 by your logic Marc Eaton and Adrian Dantley are better Jazz players than Stockton or Malone, David Robinson is better than Tim Duncan... they were there first after all! Be serious my dude. Your argument is quite easy to punch holes in without much effort. In any case I've thought of another all time Laker to put above Bron with some old school George Mikkan. Replace AD with him if you must and then try to argue LeBron into even a top 5 position.

@therealcyberius

Ай бұрын

@@cockknockers694 AD is WAY better than him and I can't stand AD either

@bigbearkat2010

Ай бұрын

@@cockknockers694 and that season was a total disaster for the Lakers so I'm not really sure what point you think you're proving here.

We need to take into account that Lebron has played a full 82 game season ONE FUCKING TIME in his career. MJ has done t 9 or 10 times

Absolute 5-star video. Another complete demolition of the fake debate that never had any business existing in the first place. Salute!

@Officiallyjaystick

Ай бұрын

Use Basketball Metrics - This is what truly measure performance. That is the objective metric and with that - the below is not even an all inclusive list of Objective Metrics... 1st off - winning titles is a team accomplishment and you must have and be on a SQUAD ....to win a NBA Championship Jordan played with Horace Grant - #19 all time in Offensive Rebounds for 3 titles....and Dennis Rodman - #4 all time Offensive Rebounds.....The Great Pat Riley once accurately said NO REBOUNDS - NO RINGS....MJ had these ELITE All Time great guys getting the Bulls extra possessions - #4 and #19 was and is now their ALL TIME OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING RANKING.....he also had Steve Kerr WHO IS #1 ALL TIME with the highest shooting % from 3 THAT'S ALL TIME....and BJ Armstrong also top 13 ALL TIME SHOOTING % FROM 3.....Hodges and Paxson.....ELITE FLOOR SPACING.....Coaching and Pippen.....To sum up the team Jordan was on....they won 50+ games after his first retirement - If Lebron joined a 50+ win team - What do you think would happen? Continuity matters....it is easy to stay with a SUPER TEAM.....that's what that was - a well put together SUPER SQUAD....than to bust it up and win with different guys and coaches and systems and cities......that is my opinion but based on those teammates and coach [Phil Jackson] that he has But now back to BASKETBALL OBJECTIVE METRICS - and I won't even list them all - BUT JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE A POINT: LEBRON #1 ALL TIME LEADING SCORER - PLAYOFFS AND REGULAR SEASON...and that's with him being on the Lakers and not making deep runs and even missing playoffs. ONLY PLAYER WITH A TRIPLE QUINTUPLE IN NBA HISTORY [40000 points, 11,000+ rebounds AND 11,000+ assists] no other player has 28,000, 8,000 and 8,000 Lebron is still sprinting up and down the court - Year 21 - constantly being described as BEST TRANSITION PLAYER ALL TIME #4 ALL TIME IN REGULAR SEASON ASSISTS [and probably will pass Chris Paul to be #3 all time in regular season career assists] ALL TIME LEADER IN PLAYOFFS IN ASSISTS, STEALS, GAMES WON, SERIES WON 8 STRAIGHT FINALS APPEARANCES WITH TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS [Miami Heat & Cleveland Cavaliers] 3 NBA TITLES WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS....3 FINALS MVPS WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS.... Different Sidekicks, Coaches, and Rosters...3 DIFFERENT OWNERS MOST NBA ALL STAR VOTES [folks don't realize this - but by tens of millions - not close] MOST ALL STAR APPEARANCES MOST ALL NBAs...... and MOST TOP 5 FINISHES IN NBA MVP VOTINGS MOST CONSECUTIVE SEASONS AVG 25 PPG.....[not close .....LBJ 20....Durant maybe 2nd at 12] MOST NBA PLAYER OF MONTH ALL TIME [not close] MOST NBA PLAER OF WEEK ALL TIME [not close] MOST CONSECUTIVE GAMES SCORING 10 PPG [lebron well over 1200 games - Jordan 2nd at 880 or so - not close] MOST COMBINED MINUTES PLAYED ALL TIME [LEBRON AROUND 68000......everyone else washed and done by now - LBJ Still Playing Year 21 and heading into Year 22 - Again Not Close] HAS A TON OF YOUNGEST TO NBA RECORDS....meaning was in NBA before Jordan and other All Time greats and was playing at a Great Level at age 18 and HAS A TON OF OLDEST TO NBA RECORDS.....meaning Lebron was and is still in the NBA after Jordan and other greats retired and playing at a Great Level beyond when others were washed up or retired WHEN SOMEONE SAYS CHASE DOWN BLOCK - WHAT PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "THE BLOCK" WHAT GAME, AND PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? yeah right - Cavs - Warriors Game 7 -- LBJ and Igadola LEBRON HAS 54 PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE HE LED HIS TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS AND ASSISTS - NBA RECORD Nikola Jokic just passed Larry Bird and is 2nd All Time with 15 [AGAIN NOT CLOSE] THERE ARE LIKE 30 MORE OF THESE I CAN TYPE.....but can't and won't Our kids kids won't understand this video and the comments in this thread or the other haters in the media that has this MJ bias..... By basketball metrics it is clearly LBJ WE WERE ALL WITNESSES! stop hatin!

@SamPride-vx7hx

Ай бұрын

​@@Officiallyjaystickrings?

@miamimarlin2980

26 күн бұрын

😂

@renziair

16 күн бұрын

​@@SamPride-vx7hx that's why it's still a debate. It is always a nitpicking game because the GOAT metric cannot be universally calculated. Anyone saying it's not a debate is delusional. And no, MJ is my GOAT, before you assume anything.

@SamPride-vx7hx

16 күн бұрын

@@Officiallyjaystick Jordan had a fire in him u couldn't put on a stat sheet ,stats or rings

Lebron aint even close to Mike..he's barely in my top 12

@thegoat4148

Ай бұрын

Your opinion

@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525

Ай бұрын

Who cares about your top 12😅

@angryralphs2516

22 күн бұрын

​@@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525 I care. Just explain the 8 points of LBJ in his prime and I will name 20 player better thsn LeBron 😂

@ubuiltlikeafrog1200

4 күн бұрын

Gotta be delusional if lebron and Jordan ain’t your top 2 you shouldn’t speak basketball

MJ is the greatest NBA player ever.. Lebron is king of longevity, he's played 100 years but has only managed to win 3 championships and a bubble ring.

The longer LeBron plays, the clearer the case is for Michael.

I’d also add MJ blew the sport of basketball up. His style of play was so entertaining enemies could sit side by side and freeze in time. Rock in his hands, 👅 tongue hanging out you knew anything was a possibility. 🐐

@aarlavaan

24 күн бұрын

But that's not really important in context of who is a better player. If you are talking about legacy, entertainment factor, and iconic status, sure. But not basketball skill.

MJ is the GOAT and this argument is as good as any I have seen on KZread or TV as it is supported with great stats. Only 2 points I think could be refined. 1. Played with Allstars was a bit unfair. Better to compare how many times players who were all stars played with MJ/LBJ and not their whole All Star career stats. 2. Pro rata stats of what LBJ would need to achieve given his length of career to catch MJ was harsh with age performance will naturally decline so it's impossible to keep up with achievements. Aside that, this video is comprehensive - especially the summary @ 24:30. Plus you never mentioned LBJ leaving Cleveland to chase rings 1 and 2 with big 3 - Not all rings are created equal!

@eyalsabag1772

Ай бұрын

hi good points! i think he did show the active allstars played with MJ/lebron before the totals which r indeed misleading i agree about decline with age, but that is a good answer to the longevity arguments that the lebron camp flashes

10 scoring titles 6 finals mvps im done talking he completed the game.. brought success to the team that drafted him(bulls)played while he was half dead(flu game)cmon man 😂

@joeysweet9045

Ай бұрын

Oh and don't forget 1 DPOTY and 9 nba all defensive 1st teams!

also, as far as playoffs go, MJ was outscored 1 time (by 0.5ppg) by 1 opponent and that was as a rookie.....that's it...Lebron has been outscored by many teammates and opponents

never an argument. Lebron isnt even top 5. Mj, Kareem, Magic, Tim Duncan, Larry Bird

@MichaelSmith-es4nl

27 күн бұрын

That's a insane lineup I have to put doctor J as the sixth man. Now who can stop that. They would be unstoppleable.

@ubuiltlikeafrog1200

4 күн бұрын

Trapped by nostalgia you prolly think sharone wright better than embiid

@Jcage22

4 күн бұрын

@@ubuiltlikeafrog1200 nope. Embiid is without a doubt a top 2 center in the league, and debatably better than Jokic. Lebron has no case above Magic and Kareem and especially Jordan. i could get behind him being better than Duncan and Bird, but nothing more.

Teams had a hard time stopping Jordan when he had little help.

@coconut9301

Ай бұрын

How is having Scottie pippin and Dennis Rodman little help

@iamnobody350

Ай бұрын

@@coconut9301before he got scottie and after he was still doing very solidly

@mmartinez9764

Ай бұрын

I think the pistons did a great job before the league changed the rules

@kb72977

Ай бұрын

​@mmartinez9764 the pistons never stopped Jordan, they stopped the bulls. Go check Jordan's individual stats against those bad boys teams. They just reserved to the position he couldn't beat them alone so they forced the other players to beat them and that was their formula for success against the bulls.

@MookieLoLo

Ай бұрын

@@kb72977 as well as made it Hard for Jordan everytime He had the BALL IN THe LANE. Most people believe "The Jordan Rules" was due to Rule changes...but actually it the STRATEGY the Pistons deployed to defend Jordan when he had the Ball (A lot of Hard Fouling in the paint).

This was never a debate, to begin with! 6-0 in the finals vs 4-6 in the finals, one gutted it out in Chicago, and the other bounced around the NBA trynna to team up with the most talented players! MJ had to go through the rough and tumble Eastern Conference dealing with the Boston Celtics, the Detroit Pistons, the CAVS, the Knicks, the Pacers, the Magic, etc., in an era when hand-checking was allowed, and there was no three-second defensive rule! And he got 10 scoring titles against that kinda defense, to LBJs 1! MJ played in all 82 games 9 times, to LBJs 1! MJ is 9 time all defensive team to LBJs 5, and he has a DPOY to LBJs 0! MJ is a 5 time MVP of the regular season to LBJs 4! MJ never even came close to losing in international competition, and there was a time when LeBron was called LeBronze! MJ won 2 dunk championships to LBJ never even competing, and we live in an era where D Leaguers win dunk championships!

@SirJoCocchi

23 күн бұрын

Well put !

His airness on full display no one is close nobody case closed 🔐

As great as LBJ is, he is probably not even 2nd or 3rd best all time. There should have never been a comparison between him and MJ, but I guess it makes for a lot of views

Larry Bird is top 5 all time, I would even put him 2nd or 3rd. 1. MJ 2. Magic/Bird 3. Bird/Magic. And then the rest.

The reason Lebron appeared in 10 finals is due to the Eastern conference being super weak for the past 2 decades. Since being traded to the Heat and the eventual return to Cavs, James never missed the NBA Finals for 8 straight seasons, but only won 3 times. Meanwhile, im the 6 years after being traded to the Lakers, James only went to the Finals once, which he won easily against the Eastern conf champ. Meanwhile MJ has never lost in the Finals.

@Zion122

Ай бұрын

LeBron missing the Finals and losing only shows how good his era is/how little help he received. Pippen never lost in the Finals either. I guess he's the GOAT too.

@RazoJ20

Ай бұрын

Lebron has never been traded. He always switched when he had a free agency window. Still, that only proves how terrible he really was at winning even when he hand picked his teams.

@Zion122

Ай бұрын

@@RazoJ20 Teams win championships, not players.

@thegoat4148

Ай бұрын

MJ literally made the playoffs 3 times with a negative record so what’s that saying about MJ competition ?

@RazoJ20

26 күн бұрын

@@Zion122 teams play for championships but star players win it for them. Mavericks and Dirk are prime example #1.

This aint even a question. Im a lakers fan. We about to get swept for the second year in a row by Denver. Dont EVER put Lebron James in the same sentence as Michael Jeffery Jordan.

@bobbymoore2076

5 күн бұрын

Lakers fan since 74. I agree 💯 percent

@SurprisedBus-bw4wd

5 күн бұрын

@@bobbymoore2076 im a younger laker fan since 98.. bringing in LBJ is the worst decision weve ever made. Dr Buss is probably looking down in disgust. I always feel like LBJ is tryna prove hes bigger than us as a club. Watching him weekly made me realise hes barely a top 10 player

Thank you so~~much. It couldn't be more true. MJ will always be untouchable and far away. There will never be anyone like him. He shines alone in the distance. Watching the modern game, you will really understand how incredible MJ is💫🌟💫 Video quality is great

Lebron made a notable difference for his teams. Jordan made a notable difference for the sport.

I'd rather watch Jordan dribbling the ball, that watch LeBron scoring

@diegodelarosa1925

Ай бұрын

That’s the fact of all this fantasy question.

MJ is the blueprint HIM GOAT....1 of 1....it is as simple as that

ummm anyone gonna mention how this video was almost a 1to1 copy of DangerProductions video like 3 -5yrs ago?

@aarlavaan

24 күн бұрын

Yeah. I noticed that too. Even made the same buffet vs fancy meal comparison for defense. But I will say I like the addition at thy beginning, mentioning the thrashing of the pros while in college.

Fame was looking for Jordan while Lebron trailed for fame!

The GOAT debate should be MJ vs Wilt Chamberlain Point blank. Period.

LEBRON TO ME IS A QUITTER WHILE MJ IN HIS MIND NEVER QUITS EVEN TEY ARE DOWN EVERY MINUTE THAT'S A CHAMPION MENTALITY":)

@ubuiltlikeafrog1200

4 күн бұрын

He quit twice

Even if it were close in stats, and it isn't, imagine thinking someone was the goat when they sell their team downstream and blame them, fire coaches, trade players, fake injuries, flops, cry to the refs over literally everything, don't even run the floor to get back on defense and offense, and choke in the 4th. Ignore the fact that Jordan has more rebounds and steals when he played how many years less? How KOBE played one less season and LeBron has 1200 more turnovers? The list of things goes on and on. The man is a joke.

@timtdog5542

4 күн бұрын

Well said

MJ is The Goat, because he didnt lose to Jason Terry!

@Officiallyjaystick

Ай бұрын

Use Basketball Metrics - This is what truly measure performance. That is the objective metric and with that - the below is not even an all inclusive list of Objective Metrics... 1st off - winning titles is a team accomplishment and you must have and be on a SQUAD ....to win a NBA Championship Jordan played with Horace Grant - #19 all time in Offensive Rebounds for 3 titles....and Dennis Rodman - #4 all time Offensive Rebounds.....The Great Pat Riley once accurately said NO REBOUNDS - NO RINGS....MJ had these ELITE All Time great guys getting the Bulls extra possessions - #4 and #19 was and is now their ALL TIME OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING RANKING.....he also had Steve Kerr WHO IS #1 ALL TIME with the highest shooting % from 3 THAT'S ALL TIME....and BJ Armstrong also top 13 ALL TIME SHOOTING % FROM 3.....Hodges and Paxson.....ELITE FLOOR SPACING.....Coaching and Pippen.....To sum up the team Jordan was on....they won 50+ games after his first retirement - If Lebron joined a 50+ win team - What do you think would happen? Continuity matters....it is easy to stay with a SUPER TEAM.....that's what that was - a well put together SUPER SQUAD....than to bust it up and win with different guys and coaches and systems and cities......that is my opinion but based on those teammates and coach [Phil Jackson] that he has But now back to BASKETBALL OBJECTIVE METRICS - and I won't even list them all - BUT JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE A POINT: LEBRON #1 ALL TIME LEADING SCORER - PLAYOFFS AND REGULAR SEASON...and that's with him being on the Lakers and not making deep runs and even missing playoffs. ONLY PLAYER WITH A TRIPLE QUINTUPLE IN NBA HISTORY [40000 points, 11,000+ rebounds AND 11,000+ assists] no other player has 28,000, 8,000 and 8,000 Lebron is still sprinting up and down the court - Year 21 - constantly being described as BEST TRANSITION PLAYER ALL TIME #4 ALL TIME IN REGULAR SEASON ASSISTS [and probably will pass Chris Paul to be #3 all time in regular season career assists] ALL TIME LEADER IN PLAYOFFS IN ASSISTS, STEALS, GAMES WON, SERIES WON 8 STRAIGHT FINALS APPEARANCES WITH TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS [Miami Heat & Cleveland Cavaliers] 3 NBA TITLES WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS....3 FINALS MVPS WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS.... Different Sidekicks, Coaches, and Rosters...3 DIFFERENT OWNERS MOST NBA ALL STAR VOTES [folks don't realize this - but by tens of millions - not close] MOST ALL STAR APPEARANCES MOST ALL NBAs...... and MOST TOP 5 FINISHES IN NBA MVP VOTINGS MOST CONSECUTIVE SEASONS AVG 25 PPG.....[not close .....LBJ 20....Durant maybe 2nd at 12] MOST NBA PLAYER OF MONTH ALL TIME [not close] MOST NBA PLAER OF WEEK ALL TIME [not close] MOST CONSECUTIVE GAMES SCORING 10 PPG [lebron well over 1200 games - Jordan 2nd at 880 or so - not close] MOST COMBINED MINUTES PLAYED ALL TIME [LEBRON AROUND 68000......everyone else washed and done by now - LBJ Still Playing Year 21 and heading into Year 22 - Again Not Close] HAS A TON OF YOUNGEST TO NBA RECORDS....meaning was in NBA before Jordan and other All Time greats and was playing at a Great Level at age 18 and HAS A TON OF OLDEST TO NBA RECORDS.....meaning Lebron was and is still in the NBA after Jordan and other greats retired and playing at a Great Level beyond when others were washed up or retired WHEN SOMEONE SAYS CHASE DOWN BLOCK - WHAT PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "THE BLOCK" WHAT GAME, AND PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? yeah right - Cavs - Warriors Game 7 -- LBJ and Igadola LEBRON HAS 54 PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE HE LED HIS TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS AND ASSISTS - NBA RECORD Nikola Jokic just passed Larry Bird and is 2nd All Time with 15 [AGAIN NOT CLOSE] THERE ARE LIKE 30 MORE OF THESE I CAN TYPE.....but can't and won't Our kids kids won't understand this video and the comments in this thread or the other haters in the media that has this MJ bias..... By basketball metrics it is clearly LBJ WE WERE ALL WITNESSES! stop hatin!

@kennyg1358

25 күн бұрын

​@@OfficiallyjaystickKeep pasting that for another 20 years and MJ will still be the GOAT, the true 23.

If it wasn't for the fake media hype to have something to talk about and attract audience this would never be a debate...i would add one more point in favour of MJ and that's dominance! After three years of being beaten he and the bulls finally jumped over in a dominant fashion and ended the pistons reign thus preventing them from becoming a real dynasty(went superior to IT, Rodman, Lambeer). Then he ended Lakers attempts to regain the throne for almost a decade (this time won the duel with Magic). Stopped Clyde and the blazers, then Barkley and KJ, after a hiccup demolished Shaq and AH, Kemp and Payton, and Malone and Stockton. The only one he "failed" against in his early years and never had a chance for revenge was Larry Bird. Once MJ took the torch from Larry and Magic there was no turning back no matter how many teams tried to dethrone him. Lebron on the other hand has negative record against each of his superstar opponents: Tim, Steph, Durant. And that's the difference between winning and losing, you're either a winner or end up next generation kids who never watched old school bball call you a plumber

I have Lebron #5 all time, but honestly It’s mostly because I feel pressured to do so. I’d have him somewhere between 6 and 10 if I weren’t thinking about the Mob of indoctrinated Lebron fans.

Excellent presentation.

Dman that was a beat down

Very professional video, sums up all the important topics

Wade is better than Lebron..

Jordan was 9 times all defensive first at the same time as scoring champ. That really shows how much of a beast he was on both ends. Also steals champ at the same time as scoring champ. Something that never gets mentioned. Jordan is top 5 in both totals and per game averages in both scoring and steals. Some players maybe both for one stat but not 2. Jordan took it to another level in the finals especially the first 3. 91-- average 11.4 assists per game highest for anyone not Magic. 92 - - average an impressive 42% for 3s and in game 1 shot six 3s in a half which was a record for 18 years until Ray Allen the only person to shoot more in a half 93-- average 41 points per game highest ever. Jordan has a higher peak which LeBron has not surpassed

LeBron ain't even better than KOBE! The absolute disrespect Bean gets by not even getting mentioned

When the next goat comes along it will be obvious. They will be THAT good. Everybody will see it. If there’s any room for a “debate” they aren’t the goat. Simple as that.

Excellent video 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾! The WWE style push to have LeBron as the GOAT definitely doesn't fool most of us!!!

If Lebron went 4-6 in finals on the Cavs while the Spurs and Warriors were around then he would have a way better argument but he jumped teams too many times. Same reason why we don’t consider Kevin Durant better than Curry or Lebron

It's never a debate for many, because LBJ lost his first finals stint, formed a super team in Miami with Wade and Bosh and lost again in the NBA Finals to an under dog Mavericks while getting outplayed by Jayson f$cking Terry. A GOAT candidate should never have that kind of failure in his resume. These string of events disqualified LBJ in the GOAT conversation against MJ. MJ never fell short when the team he was leading got to the highest level, the NBA Finals. In my eyes, For LBJ to get a chance, he needs a time machine, undo these first two losses. Then I will admit that he has a case even though he still lost four times. He then now has 6 NBA Championships equalling MJs.

The GOAT debate ended in 2011.

@jerico6731

10 күн бұрын

No. The goat debate ended in 1994. When the jordan less bulls shouldve been the east champ.

The debate had already ended MJ is the goat

This era of sports media. Is delusional at best. I've been involved in sports. Sense a young child. I've closely watched both careers. It's really nowhere near close. MJ did more. In less time. Then he also had less than stellar talent. On his teams. Keep in mind. In a way more physical era. So in my opinion. People can gtfoh with LeBron James G.O.A.T Talk!!!

Tim Duncan is better the Lebalco.

The NBA all-stars were not practicing together like the 1984 Olympic team. That is an important fact. The NBA all-star rosters were different each game, so there was no player chemistry.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is like the Rosetta Stone of knowledge. It’s abundantly clear who is the G.O.A.T. Well done.

@Officiallyjaystick

Ай бұрын

Use Basketball Metrics - This is what truly measure performance. That is the objective metric and with that - the below is not even an all inclusive list of Objective Metrics... 1st off - winning titles is a team accomplishment and you must have and be on a SQUAD ....to win a NBA Championship Jordan played with Horace Grant - #19 all time in Offensive Rebounds for 3 titles....and Dennis Rodman - #4 all time Offensive Rebounds.....The Great Pat Riley once accurately said NO REBOUNDS - NO RINGS....MJ had these ELITE All Time great guys getting the Bulls extra possessions - #4 and #19 was and is now their ALL TIME OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING RANKING.....he also had Steve Kerr WHO IS #1 ALL TIME with the highest shooting % from 3 THAT'S ALL TIME....and BJ Armstrong also top 13 ALL TIME SHOOTING % FROM 3.....Hodges and Paxson.....ELITE FLOOR SPACING.....Coaching and Pippen.....To sum up the team Jordan was on....they won 50+ games after his first retirement - If Lebron joined a 50+ win team - What do you think would happen? Continuity matters....it is easy to stay with a SUPER TEAM.....that's what that was - a well put together SUPER SQUAD....than to bust it up and win with different guys and coaches and systems and cities......that is my opinion but based on those teammates and coach [Phil Jackson] that he has But now back to BASKETBALL OBJECTIVE METRICS - and I won't even list them all - BUT JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE A POINT: LEBRON #1 ALL TIME LEADING SCORER - PLAYOFFS AND REGULAR SEASON...and that's with him being on the Lakers and not making deep runs and even missing playoffs. ONLY PLAYER WITH A TRIPLE QUINTUPLE IN NBA HISTORY [40000 points, 11,000+ rebounds AND 11,000+ assists] no other player has 28,000, 8,000 and 8,000 Lebron is still sprinting up and down the court - Year 21 - constantly being described as BEST TRANSITION PLAYER ALL TIME #4 ALL TIME IN REGULAR SEASON ASSISTS [and probably will pass Chris Paul to be #3 all time in regular season career assists] ALL TIME LEADER IN PLAYOFFS IN ASSISTS, STEALS, GAMES WON, SERIES WON 8 STRAIGHT FINALS APPEARANCES WITH TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS [Miami Heat & Cleveland Cavaliers] 3 NBA TITLES WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS....3 FINALS MVPS WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS.... Different Sidekicks, Coaches, and Rosters...3 DIFFERENT OWNERS MOST NBA ALL STAR VOTES [folks don't realize this - but by tens of millions - not close] MOST ALL STAR APPEARANCES MOST ALL NBAs...... and MOST TOP 5 FINISHES IN NBA MVP VOTINGS MOST CONSECUTIVE SEASONS AVG 25 PPG.....[not close .....LBJ 20....Durant maybe 2nd at 12] MOST NBA PLAYER OF MONTH ALL TIME [not close] MOST NBA PLAER OF WEEK ALL TIME [not close] MOST CONSECUTIVE GAMES SCORING 10 PPG [lebron well over 1200 games - Jordan 2nd at 880 or so - not close] MOST COMBINED MINUTES PLAYED ALL TIME [LEBRON AROUND 68000......everyone else washed and done by now - LBJ Still Playing Year 21 and heading into Year 22 - Again Not Close] HAS A TON OF YOUNGEST TO NBA RECORDS....meaning was in NBA before Jordan and other All Time greats and was playing at a Great Level at age 18 and HAS A TON OF OLDEST TO NBA RECORDS.....meaning Lebron was and is still in the NBA after Jordan and other greats retired and playing at a Great Level beyond when others were washed up or retired WHEN SOMEONE SAYS CHASE DOWN BLOCK - WHAT PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "THE BLOCK" WHAT GAME, AND PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? yeah right - Cavs - Warriors Game 7 -- LBJ and Igadola LEBRON HAS 54 PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE HE LED HIS TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS AND ASSISTS - NBA RECORD Nikola Jokic just passed Larry Bird and is 2nd All Time with 15 [AGAIN NOT CLOSE] THERE ARE LIKE 30 MORE OF THESE I CAN TYPE.....but can't and won't Our kids kids won't understand this video and the comments in this thread or the other haters in the media that has this MJ bias..... By basketball metrics it is clearly LBJ WE WERE ALL WITNESSES! stop hatin!

James is a crybaby! Can u imagine him going against those old Detroit or Knicks teams lol. Im a die hard Det fan and i hated MJ but there is no debate! Also, James leaving to form a super team in Miami made me sick! None of the okd greats wouldve ever done that!

The young generation doesn't even know that Michael Jordan has stats.And there are stats that they don't show players today that they don't count

The reason why Bird is not at the top of any statistics is because Bird would come out of games when the Celtics had secured the win. However, Jordan was forced to play as much as possible because the Bulls were not good until the very late 80s. That allowed Jordan to build up stats.

This man works for Skip and undisputed 😂😂😂😂

@Noifsnobutsnococonuts-rj4kk

Ай бұрын

No he don’t, he’s just telling you stuff you didn’t want to hear.

Lebron fans who never saw Jordan play live on tv will always think Lebron is the goat. That's a fact. I have watched Jordan since his rookie year up to his final game with wizards. Up to this year on 2024 i have never seen any player closer to what Jordan did and how he dominated the game. Kobe is there but not close. The rest is just miles way off.

@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525

29 күн бұрын

Ahm I'm 42 I've watched MJ growing up. In fact I've collected his cards and shoes and his posters where all over my room. He the reason why I've played d game of basketball. But I'm not a fucking blind MJ fans and will not accept someone whos better. I ain't seen nothing like bron! Ghill, penny, scotty, magic, kobe and Mike is my idols. MJ goat before, now bron that it. That's my opinion. Im fine if MJ is ur goat, but dont be a bum if many peeps saw bron as d new goat

@jeimairuzu7056

28 күн бұрын

@@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525 lebron will never be the goat. You are the one who is blind. Hahaha. In order for lebron to surpass jordan he needs to have 1 more mvp award, 2x nba champ, 9x scoring champ, 2x finals mvp, 3x all defensive team award, 1x DPOY, 3x STL champ. Dont run me down with stats because all lebron has with stats is the 40k points. Watch statman here in youtube to get the facts. 🤣

@timtdog5542

4 күн бұрын

Don't forget the one player who never had anybody on his team.That played like Jordan and Kobe Bryant Allen.Iverson

MJ ..KOBE ...LBJ that's how it should be

When comparing a players accomplishments during their first nine seasons, Bird dominates every player including Jordan. Bird suffered a season-ending injury during his 10th season which eventually ended his career. He was not the same after that. Bird also did that during the 80s, the best decade of the NBA.

Imagine Kobe having AD for 5 years..

@mmartinez9764

Ай бұрын

Duncan would still cook him

@andrewzapata9420

Ай бұрын

He had better, he had shaq

@rohanmondkar9467

Ай бұрын

Lol… he literally had an upgrade in Shaq for a much longer time. And Kobe was the Robin at the time.

@ncg25out

Ай бұрын

Yes he had a prime Shaq for 8 , and they only got 3 rings……..that’s it. Weak AF. Based on that they not top 10 on my list.

@luisunda2842

Ай бұрын

Shaq has left the chat. Pau Gasol has left the chat.

Anyone doing anything for 21 years better have a lot to show for it. By the way, no one ever mentions LeBronda spending a million dollars a year on his body whatever that means.

@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525

Ай бұрын

It's called using a little money because he knows he's. Earned millions for his body. U idiot yes! That's was called RESPONSIBLE ATTITUDE

Bron ain’t even better than Bird. Bird > Lebron

It honestly blows my mind that there are so many people who claim Lebron is the GOAT. It’s not even a contest for me. I actually have him around #8. Most importantly, the people that played against MJ, Kobe, and Lebron all say that it’s MJ #1a, Kobe #1b, and then Lebron when comparing just those three.

If Jordan is the greatest and if Kobe's the closest thing to Jordan; Kobe has to be number two. They carried their teams to full season championships and not a bubble! 6 finals MVPs will never be touched! LeBron James has one scoring title, but eve. Steph Curry has two scoring titles. If Jordan would have went to 10 finals like LeBron do you believe Jordan would have four championships? Oh wait, Jordan has six championships in six finals!

@alchemist_one

26 күн бұрын

Totally agreed on Kobe. He's been crazy underrated since he retired. He didn't have all of Jordan's natural gifts, but he had all his skills plus some new ones and literally broke his body trying to carry a garbage team in his best years. Still got 5 rings and a few nights where he outscored the entire opposing team for a half. An 82 point game back in the mid aughts that would be equivalent to 92 today, too.

@SirJoCocchi

23 күн бұрын

I agree, Kobe way more meaningful and better than Bron.

@consciousness319

23 күн бұрын

@SirJoCocchi Yea. You always hear how LeBron James needs more help! I've never heard that for Kobe. I always wondered why Bron needed multiple All-Stars to win. Curry dropped James in 2015, and everyone said that LeBron didn't have Kevin Love and Kyrie, excuse, but Steph didn't have Love and Kyrie either...lol Kobe said that he didn't need Shaq and Kobe didn't! Much like Draymond told KD, we won before you got here, and we'll when after you gone: Curry @ Boston. Bron never had that in him, and that's the separation between Bron and (Jordan, Kobe).

Jordan gets 6 rings and takes 4 mediocre players to greatness and their championships, regardless of what mediocre players you put with him. Lebron needs other superstars,and still only has 4

@SamyHasnaoui-ol6ok

Ай бұрын

Ur saying , pippen , horace grant , and rodman are mediocre player ? Jordan has played with one team in his career . From 1987 to 1998 he has an all star caliber player + good role player . His team even when he retired in 1993 still finished with 55 win the followin season . Lebron when he left cleveland , miami and again cleveland they finished in the bottom of the league .

@Sf75178

Ай бұрын

​@@SamyHasnaoui-ol6okoh look at you using easily debunked arguments. Jordan leaving wasn't the only thing that happened. They added players that would be important to the 2nd 3peat. Plus having same coach and system

@SamyHasnaoui-ol6ok

Ай бұрын

@@Sf75178 i was just responded to his comment saying that jordan tm8 were bad and ur jordan to my argument saying they added players for 2 3 peat so he has a better that in the first 3 peat

@eyalsabag1772

Ай бұрын

@@SamyHasnaoui-ol6ok regarding teammates: 1.grant and dennis didnt play togather with the bulls 2.grant was a good player , and worked well in the bulls system ,but wasnt even close to bosh or kevin love 3. dennis was 35 in 1996 and played only 55 games in 1997 ( his real contribution imo was greatly limitiing Malone on the 97 98 finals - which was crucial) 4. scottie didn play in the 1991 and 1998 all stars - and missed 38 games in 1998 5. the 4th and 5th playes on the bulls where really medicore and one dimensional ( BJ , Pax, harper ( riddled with injuries) tony ( no defense ) so not 4 plumbers- but aside from pippen who was very unstable especially in the first three peat- not awesome talents.

@Officiallyjaystick

Ай бұрын

Use Basketball Metrics - This is what truly measure performance. That is the objective metric and with that - the below is not even an all inclusive list of Objective Metrics... 1st off - winning titles is a team accomplishment and you must have and be on a SQUAD ....to win a NBA Championship Jordan played with Horace Grant - #19 all time in Offensive Rebounds for 3 titles....and Dennis Rodman - #4 all time Offensive Rebounds.....The Great Pat Riley once accurately said NO REBOUNDS - NO RINGS....MJ had these ELITE All Time great guys getting the Bulls extra possessions - #4 and #19 was and is now their ALL TIME OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING RANKING.....he also had Steve Kerr WHO IS #1 ALL TIME with the highest shooting % from 3 THAT'S ALL TIME....and BJ Armstrong also top 13 ALL TIME SHOOTING % FROM 3.....Hodges and Paxson.....ELITE FLOOR SPACING.....Coaching and Pippen.....To sum up the team Jordan was on....they won 50+ games after his first retirement - If Lebron joined a 50+ win team - What do you think would happen? Continuity matters....it is easy to stay with a SUPER TEAM.....that's what that was - a well put together SUPER SQUAD....than to bust it up and win with different guys and coaches and systems and cities......that is my opinion but based on those teammates and coach [Phil Jackson] that he has But now back to BASKETBALL OBJECTIVE METRICS - and I won't even list them all - BUT JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE A POINT: LEBRON #1 ALL TIME LEADING SCORER - PLAYOFFS AND REGULAR SEASON...and that's with him being on the Lakers and not making deep runs and even missing playoffs. ONLY PLAYER WITH A TRIPLE QUINTUPLE IN NBA HISTORY [40000 points, 11,000+ rebounds AND 11,000+ assists] no other player has 28,000, 8,000 and 8,000 Lebron is still sprinting up and down the court - Year 21 - constantly being described as BEST TRANSITION PLAYER ALL TIME #4 ALL TIME IN REGULAR SEASON ASSISTS [and probably will pass Chris Paul to be #3 all time in regular season career assists] ALL TIME LEADER IN PLAYOFFS IN ASSISTS, STEALS, GAMES WON, SERIES WON 8 STRAIGHT FINALS APPEARANCES WITH TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS [Miami Heat & Cleveland Cavaliers] 3 NBA TITLES WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS....3 FINALS MVPS WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS.... Different Sidekicks, Coaches, and Rosters...3 DIFFERENT OWNERS MOST NBA ALL STAR VOTES [folks don't realize this - but by tens of millions - not close] MOST ALL STAR APPEARANCES MOST ALL NBAs...... and MOST TOP 5 FINISHES IN NBA MVP VOTINGS MOST CONSECUTIVE SEASONS AVG 25 PPG.....[not close .....LBJ 20....Durant maybe 2nd at 12] MOST NBA PLAYER OF MONTH ALL TIME [not close] MOST NBA PLAER OF WEEK ALL TIME [not close] MOST CONSECUTIVE GAMES SCORING 10 PPG [lebron well over 1200 games - Jordan 2nd at 880 or so - not close] MOST COMBINED MINUTES PLAYED ALL TIME [LEBRON AROUND 68000......everyone else washed and done by now - LBJ Still Playing Year 21 and heading into Year 22 - Again Not Close] HAS A TON OF YOUNGEST TO NBA RECORDS....meaning was in NBA before Jordan and other All Time greats and was playing at a Great Level at age 18 and HAS A TON OF OLDEST TO NBA RECORDS.....meaning Lebron was and is still in the NBA after Jordan and other greats retired and playing at a Great Level beyond when others were washed up or retired WHEN SOMEONE SAYS CHASE DOWN BLOCK - WHAT PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "THE BLOCK" WHAT GAME, AND PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? yeah right - Cavs - Warriors Game 7 -- LBJ and Igadola LEBRON HAS 54 PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE HE LED HIS TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS AND ASSISTS - NBA RECORD Nikola Jokic just passed Larry Bird and is 2nd All Time with 15 [AGAIN NOT CLOSE] THERE ARE LIKE 30 MORE OF THESE I CAN TYPE.....but can't and won't Our kids kids won't understand this video and the comments in this thread or the other haters in the media that has this MJ bias..... By basketball metrics it is clearly LBJ WE WERE ALL WITNESSES! stop hatin!

At 21:57, you said "the heat were swept by the spurs in 2007". Um... that was the cavs, but ok.

Bron had his chance but the flopping, the crying, the blaming, the excuses, the trades, the firing of coaches, the self proclaiming goat and the losing etc etc etc took him out of the debate for me. He's a all time great for sure bur most definitely not the Greatest Of All Time!!

Come on man. There no debate. MJ is and will continue to be the Goat.

Oh LeBronda 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. This whole thing should of never started. Saying not even close is too close. The only reason why LeBronda's still having some success is because today's NBA is weak !!!!!

Great video!! Truth!! :)

"Any media person that I see in person for the rest of my life, who try to tell me LeBron James is as good as Michael Jordan," Barkley said, "I'm just gonna slap the hell out of him right on the spot. Right on the damn spot. No questions asked."

Here's the deciding factor for me. With the game on the line who would u rather have the ball. James or Jordan?? Jordan, Bird, Kobe all had that killer instinct! James never had that! He wouldn't have survived in that era of the NBA

Nothing to debate....facts...over hype...

95' has the 3 point-line shortened, so the 3pt% there is not really indicative of anything. But I never realized Jordan's 3pt% was so good when he actually tries to take those shots, especially later on into his career. The same thing we see with Lebron, with him shooting the 3 ball at ~40% this season due to his declining athleticism.

Jordan's father was killed around the same time Jordan was being investigated for gambling with very questionable and powerful people. When Jordan returned, Jordan thanked Commissioner Stern for allowing Jordan to return to the NBA. There is more to the story.

We all know, if you would see the guy in the red taking the defensive stance, all ready and focused, you would shit yourself.

I can say this I'm a 61 year old basketball fan I've watched MJ and lebron and everybody else play. I can tell you this MJ is the goat hands down a true rip your heart out wants the ball in his hands makes everybody better never gave up champion. The true goat who never blames anybody gets the job done a true warrior the guy that guy who you always want taking that last shot so sorry lebron your good yes yes but at the end of the day you would never hear MJ say it's just basketball just basketball wow when your down three games ready to get swept back to back you will never match mjs heart will to win so bottom line. Only one goat. MJ. Period period period 😊

Lebronze never even passed up Kobe. 🤦🏻

Also LeBron was scared doing dunk contests didn't want to do them cause if he failed would have been embarassed.

AND…he played with waaaaaay more defense on him, he didn’t whine, he didn’t flop and didn’t blame others..!!!

It’s all fake. We know Jordan the best

There never was, nor should be, a debate. MJ was magic to watch. I’m grateful I could witness his once in a lifetime greatness.

Literally the ONLY reason that anyone EVER compared LeBron to Michael Jordan is because LeBron has been in the NBA for like 25 years, or whatever the hell it is! If he had to go to college... NO DEBATE! If he had only been in the NBA the same number of years as Michael Jordan... he'd be compared to someone much closer to his skill level... like Charles Barkley!

"Weaknesses and Meltdowns" alone ends the debate if there ever was one to begin with.

The real goat mj...lebron groat stack teams,trade team mates,load management + adam silver

The Goat Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, Bird , Olajuwon , Majic and every one else

@joeysweet9045

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Can't argue with that but I would throw Kobe Bryant in there somewhere though! But you are dead on it!

Lebron is a bagless layup merchant

Well done sir!

This has never actually been a debate. Jordan is clearly the GOAT.

It’s zero debate!

Superb video.

It's MJ and Kobe