Mj didn't play against as many MVPs because he was the MVP. That alone should tell you everything you need to know.

@SimeonB300

24 күн бұрын

LeBron only has one less MVP than MJ but LeBron hasn’t won it since 2013 so that’s 11 more seasons plus the early years he didn’t win

@carlobustillo8634

24 күн бұрын

agree

@CurtisT1019

24 күн бұрын

MJ didn’t play alongside as many MVPs or all-stars as teammates as LeBron. But this video left off other MVPs MJ faced such as Isaiah Thomas, David Robinson, and Hakeem Olajuwon just to name a few.

@LawrenceAugust_

23 күн бұрын

True! And if you look at his Finals comp year by year, he was playing guys who were in the running… 91 - Jordan won - Magic won MVP the two years previous and was runner-up in 91 92 - Jordan won - Drexler was runner up 93 - Barkley won, Jordan 3rd 96 - Jordan won - Payton was 6th, Kemp was 8th 97 - Malone won - Jordan was runner up 98 - Jordan won - Malone was runner up

@LawrenceAugust_

23 күн бұрын

@@CurtisT1019 Isiah Thomas was never league MVP, but he was Finals MVP in 1990.

It all about the finals. Both faced HOF’ers, MVP’s , and DPOY’s. The only difference is MJ sent his comp packing 👋. And Bron sent his comp rings💍

@josephfittipaldi9762

21 күн бұрын

Damn... you are going to make Bron-sxuañ cry😅😅😅😅😅😅

The SHOCKING truth for LeBum fans when it's all about the eye test: Jordan was far more skilled than LeBum could ever dream of being.

@shotz_ina7893

24 күн бұрын

How is he a bum when he scored 40000 points the average NBA player only last around 4 to 5 years. 🤦‍♂️

@rocwilliams6347

24 күн бұрын

@bwink23 mj had a better basketball CAREER but lebron is the better basketball PLAYER …. As a pass first player he is number 1 as all time and still going

@NITESHADOWshouske

23 күн бұрын

Lol, sit down mongrels. Lebum only has longevity over MJ😂😂😂😂

@algladyou

22 күн бұрын

​@@shotz_ina7893 are you saying if theres😅an immortal person and played 10 ppg and accumulated 100,000 points. He is better than everyone?

@hud1231

22 күн бұрын

@@rocwilliams6347 this "pass first" (a lie) doesn't make anybody a better basketball player. but to real, is that all you got? MJ does MANY things better than Lebron...MJ is the better basketball player cuz he's more skilled, has nothing to do with rings. so, plz explain. what makes Lebron the "better basketball player". I'm waiting

Forget all the numbers, LeBron doesn't even carry himself like a G.O.A.T with his behavior.

@paulusrumanouw3176

7 күн бұрын

He just carry live goats to parties! 🤣🤣🤣

@jasonpanhorst5005

3 күн бұрын

So he should have quit the league twice?

MJ's points were done the hard way. Many times the opponent tried to hospitalize him.

kobe bryant is the closest to michael jordan level 💯👍👌

@davidtuplin6628

10 күн бұрын

Drugs are bad, go back to school and listen to your parents. Its probably not to late

Lebron james is not GOAT

@davidtuplin6628

10 күн бұрын

Is so

'86 Celtics would have beat all teams you mentioned. Jordan was a one man gang trying to beat that team. He never had a chance.

@melvynsngltn27

24 күн бұрын

Excuses. When Jordan won championships he didn't have any great teams to play

@Sf75178

24 күн бұрын

​@melvynsngltn27 well that explains why the Jazz, Suns and Sonics are mentioned as some of the best teams not to win a championship

@SilentMovements305

24 күн бұрын

Facts while the weak east was dog 💩 during lebrons time

@rackball5858

24 күн бұрын

@@melvynsngltn27What excuses? As a member of the Bulls, he lost 7 playoff series & won 6 championships. By all accounts, that’s a successful career. No one needs to make excuses for Jordan. He’s the consensus goat.

@melvynsngltn27

24 күн бұрын

@@SilentMovements305 it's been weak since the 1990's

It's clear as day, MJ faced tougher competitions in much shorter time frame but achieved far more success, end of discussion.

@josiahgoshert5023

18 күн бұрын

Facts

@eugenebrown6477

14 күн бұрын

Craig ehlo Kendall gill Dan marjele and Jeff hornecek lebron would of busted them as a sophomore in high school

@paulusrumanouw3176

14 күн бұрын

@@eugenebrown6477 naah just pure speculation and delusion without facts. The facts are lebron at a ripe age of 22 got beaten by a 35yr old 90s reject Bruce Bowen, then at his peak couldn't even handle much smaller bench players JJ Barea and Jason Terry, then defeated by the old Duncan and Ginobili. 🤡

@davidtuplin6628

10 күн бұрын

Which team did jordan beat that was as good as his bulls teams? Nobody ever answers this

@eugenebrown6477

10 күн бұрын

@@davidtuplin6628 none the odds in his favor

Compare LeBron’s 8 year run to Jordan’s title years. Comparing East vs West… honestly, LeBron may have never even made it to the Finals if his teams were in the West. LeBron record in Playoffs, 2011-2018: Against East: 96-27 (78%) Against West: 18-27 (40%) Jordan record, Playoffs 1991 - 1998 Against East: Playoffs: 71-20 (78%) Against West: Playoffs: 24-11 (68.5%)

@Cooldude_987

24 күн бұрын

I think about that all the time. You take his same team put it in the west and he isn’t going to 8 straight

@Knight_Raider_

21 күн бұрын

Thank you! Someone who knows that the East been the weakest conference for the last 20 years. Straight trash 🗑

@modernpoet808

21 күн бұрын

In MJ’s and LeBron’s 1st 9 years MJ 3 Chips LeBron 1 In MJ’s last 6 years 3 Chips In LeBron’s last 12 years 3 Chips

@eugenebrown6477

15 күн бұрын

Most of the teams in the west was the favorite to win the title jordan was the favorite they lubed him up like people in the comments with all he needed

@eugenebrown6477

15 күн бұрын

Now let’s compare all the time jordan got swept first round

Especially when you look at averages and percentages jordan just destroys lebron

@jameswallace8202

24 күн бұрын

Lebron should never have been in this conversation, he media company hypes him up way more than reality. he played in a fewer conference in a weaker era.

From a team perspective, the teams from the late 80s and 90s were better and more difficult than today's teams.

@rlh12345

24 күн бұрын

After 30+ years of advancements in diet, training, and knowledge of the game combined with a massively bigger talent pool to choose from do to the worldwide growth of the game it's clear the league is way more talented and skilled. The bottom 20-25% of the league talent got replaced by foreign born players who range anywhere from MVP caliber all the way down to role player.

@V1s10n0fl0v3

24 күн бұрын

Wrong wrong wrong, the teams in the 90's 6 of them were an expansion team. Michael never beat a team in the 80's and when he finally defeated one when they already out of their prime.

@Marshall0722

22 күн бұрын

​@@V1s10n0fl0v3who was already out of their prime?

@eugenebrown6477

15 күн бұрын

That’s a joke take out the fouling and them bums couldn’t guard nobody

@kylonp7311

14 күн бұрын

@@V1s10n0fl0v3 lebum never won in the 00s until all the 90s players got old in the 2010s goofy 😂😂😂😂

Part of the reason LeBron has faced some of that great competition is because as a Laker he’s been on some lesser overall teams. When you’re a lower seed, you’re gonna face tougher competition. If you take away his years in LA, the numbers would not even be as close as they are.

The rule changes alone that help today's players score easy with no to little defense make this era of basketball the weakest ever

@Cain353

23 күн бұрын

Correct. LeBron averaged 21 points on 42% from the floor for the entire season when handchecking was still allowed. When handchecking was banned LeBron's ppg and percentages improved massively.

@lookatzay4813

23 күн бұрын

@@Cain353😂😂

@Cain353

23 күн бұрын

@@lookatzay4813 Am I wrong? 03-04 LeBron shot 42% from the floor averaging 21 points a game. 04-05 LeBron shot 47% from the floor averaging 27 points a game. Do you know what stayed the same? His free throw percentages. So he didn't become a better shooter. It just became easier.

@eugenebrown6477

12 күн бұрын

Don’t nobody wanna pay they money to see a brawl on the court

@eugenebrown6477

12 күн бұрын

@@Cain353 who point didn’t why would a man stronger than most worry bout hand checks now search all the other players numbers

Bronsexuals love to talk about Lebrons superior finals team. While neglecting the fact Jordan had a MUCH harder time getting to the finals.

@JoeGain-pk3vz

21 күн бұрын

And never mention his team had the best players ,it's funny how they don't acknowledge that he had too much help we don't know what he would be without that

@Frazier16

21 күн бұрын

@@JoeGain-pk3vz prime example why bron can never be over mj. He has 2 less rings while being in the finals 4 more times, while playing 8 more seasons with better players

@2playschemeo.p.croutes724

21 күн бұрын

They don’t mention that he played with on of the best SG of all time. Lebron is possibly the best SF of all time. Those two guys should have went 4-0.

@eugenebrown6477

15 күн бұрын

I wonder if you homosexuals think bout lebron in y’all sleep

@eugenebrown6477

15 күн бұрын

@@Frazier16 and playing better players bozo so your argument weak

Lebron james😅 is not the closest to michael jordan level

@llewelluynzepper6741

23 күн бұрын

Objectively not even top 10. Lebron must be really likable in real life for him to even somehow enter this discussion in the first place. Do not get me wrong, he is very good, but not even close to this sort of discussion.

How many teams did Lebron abandon chasing Jordan 🤣

@eugenebrown6477

14 күн бұрын

Least the man had inspiration to be the best instead of like the best

Leblame lost his chance at ever becoming the GOAT when he said, “I’m taking my talents to South Beach”.

@stackboostuploads

19 күн бұрын

Guys like Karl Malone And Gary Payton Did The Same Joining Shaq And Kobe

@rda431

18 күн бұрын

​@@stackboostuploadsthey was not in their prime when they made that move to due dat doe it's a differents they was on they last leg players have always done dat on their last leg LeBron was not on his last leg and LeBron was the reason da cavs never one the first time around and 2 be honest he not da reason they one his second time around Kyrie was first year they play da warriors Kyrie goes down they lose 2nd year kyrie playing they win

@eugenebrown6477

15 күн бұрын

What drown in Cleveland while other teams get better even jordan wanted out if he didn’t get help

@accshsmilgroup1408

15 күн бұрын

​@@eugenebrown6477 Lol watch the last dance. Jerry Krause said that "MJ never approach him by asking to trade someone of draft someone on his team". MJ is that guy, his competitive drive is unmatched that even LeBron can't match

@eugenebrown6477

15 күн бұрын

@@accshsmilgroup1408 yeah he never asked himself but told his agent he wants out if he don’t get help plus we know mj lies he said he never said he don’t want Thomas on the dream team then they played the recording so we know mj and Krause a lie

people see Jordan's competition in the playoffs and finals and there's only 1 star on the team and they think Jordan faced weaker competition. but that's not true. teams were just built differently back then. most teams had 1 star that they built around, sometimes 2 if they fit well together like Stockton and Malone. in LeBron's era, partially due to his own decision to form a super-team in Miami, a lot of teams tried to get 2 or 3 superstars together to form super-teams. these teams on paper seem more intimidating but they had no depth. just look at the Suns this year as an example of how that kind of team building is very risky. the only reason it worked for the Warriors so well is because their stars were all drafted and on cheaper contracts. i do think LeBron has faced better competition in the Finals, but he also got to so many Finals because he was playing in an atrociously weak Eastern conference. LeBron beating the 73-9 Warriors might be a more impressive single Finals victory than anything Jordan did (if you don't get into the Draymond suspension), but the overall body of work favors Jordan (slightly), in my opinion.

@Al.j.Vasquez

23 күн бұрын

Also, many "superstars" today are overrated, they are not tht good to earn the term superstar, they're just super famous for the NBA but they're stars at best. A duo like Malone and Stockton today is arguably superior to whatever 2 you choose from the Clippers, because they have too many "stars" that just don't work well together and can't really carry their own weight on defense. More like a bunch of Divas.

Michael Air Jordan 23#👑 GOAT Nu 1 Greatest ever Unstoppable Legends 🐐🐐🏀🏀🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🦅🦅 fly like an Eagle jump 48 Spece jam 👽 Games 82 10!!! PPG 37.1 losses 0 😱 finals 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 72-10

Lebron james finals 2011 Points 8!!!!! Losses 😅

@HelloWorld-uw5wj

22 күн бұрын

0 clutch time points across 6 games. Nice GOAT!!

@user-rd2ey4we4e

19 күн бұрын

Mj didn't have that off night in a playoff game.

@saiyanuchiha8488

13 күн бұрын

See these are casual takes, Lebron had ONE bad playoff series outta the 100s he’s been in bruh it’s actually insane how you MJ fans bring this up u guys love diminishing a man’s career

@marquinnmartin5328

4 күн бұрын

@@HelloWorld-uw5wjyour goat got swept back to back by a white guy

@HelloWorld-uw5wj

4 күн бұрын

@@marquinnmartin5328 Hard to win 1v5 in any team sport. Your GOAT lost 5v1 by choking against a role player. 0 clutch time points the entire series. Ouch!

I don’t watch these videos anymore!! It only takes the eyetest to see MJ was on another level. Lebron is not even close. Lets not talk about accolades awards chips. This is a made up media debate. If you’re still talked about everyday in almost 25 years retirement you know you’re the greatest!!! That’s why Lebron is scared to retire!!! Everybody is still gonna talk MJ!!

I would love to see a Lebron led team go against the 89' pistons

@llewelluynzepper6741

23 күн бұрын

Rodman would have fouled out Lebron early, and the excuse for losing a lot vs them would be coming out of Lebron's mouth: "Rodman so and so," not " they outplayed us.'

@Ton3ification

23 күн бұрын

He would fall once and then be stretchered off crying

@eugenebrown6477

12 күн бұрын

That’s the the give him another star like pippen in his prime

The level of competition Jordan faced was far superior to what LeBron was faced because the commissioner admitted to changing the rules to benefit players in this era and specifically named Steph Curry but the rules were changed before LeBron’s second season started. Also several of the superstars and Hall of Fame players including the potential Hall of Famers have also played with LeBron and helped him win championships. He also missed the playoffs 4 times.

@eugenebrown6477

14 күн бұрын

But once he got a little help look what he did also missed the playoffs cause he was injured with the lakers they were number 2 seed when he went down so put an asterisk by that

Jordan prevented Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller from ever winning a ring. Also Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'Neal, David Robinson, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Alonzo Mourning only won when Jordan retired. LeBron however, did not prevent Steph Curry, Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Garnett, Pau Gasol, Paul Pierce from winning a ring all during his prime.

A lot of times we forget how tough the teams were they didn’t end up in the finals against Jordan. New York was crazy good in the early 90s, as were many other teams.

@eugenebrown6477

14 күн бұрын

They were great for that era but don’t compare to the talent when lebron came in the league

You should have implemented the "help" they had while facing all these teams as well but that would probably make it super lopsided in Jordan favor

@MrAnthero7

24 күн бұрын

Huh? Jordan played with one all-star his whole career. Are you serious? Jordan's never played with anyone as good as Prime Wade or AD.

@Tonio5100

24 күн бұрын

@@MrAnthero7 that's my point less "help" for Jordan makes his accomplishments more impressive

@MrAnthero7

24 күн бұрын

@@Tonio5100 Ah ok my bad. misunderstood your comment.

@CreamPieSundays

24 күн бұрын

​@@MrAnthero7it helps to take a deep breath and breath before typing a feelings based rebuttal 🤣.

@MrAnthero7

24 күн бұрын

@@CreamPieSundays I misunderstood the dude's comment. Not sure what the big deal is.

In just 12 years he faced the same number of stars that Lebron faced in his 20s, that is an indication of the fiercer competition that Jordan had in his time.

Not only did Jordan have better playoff competition, but he made the playoffs more often while he was playing.

Lebron james losses 6!!!!! finals!!!!!😅

When Lebron played in the East it was so weak they nicknamed it “The Leastern Conference!”

@eugenebrown6477

14 күн бұрын

Well how does a bum make it 8 times Indiana was tough bulls with rose was tough Toronto was tough even Atlanta had the number one seed four all stars that year so what’s the least bout it

@user-li2ir5ss5p

14 күн бұрын

@@eugenebrown6477 Yes! It was “THE LEASTERN CONFERENCE!” When Lebron played in the East and won Championships in 2012, 2013 and 2017, he only faced TWO “50 Win Teams!” Michael Jordan played in a much tougher and physical Eastern Conference. In 1991, 92 and 93, when Jordan won Championships, he had to face FOUR “50 Win Teams” and ONE “60 Win Team.” Almost 3X as many as Lebron!!! In order to advance to the Finals for his First 3Peat, Jordan had a lot harder road to travel than Lebron.

@eugenebrown6477

14 күн бұрын

@@user-li2ir5ss5p well end of the day jordan couldn’t beat bird and beat the piston when they got old and the media gave the east that name

@user-li2ir5ss5p

14 күн бұрын

@@eugenebrown6477 Stop cappin’!!! The Pistons weren’t old. John Salley - 27 Joe Dumars - 28 Dennis Rodman - 30 Isiah Thomas - 30 Mark Aguirre - 32 Second, when Jordan faced the Celtics, the Celtics had 5 NBA Top 75 Players! Jordan didn’t have “ONE ALL STAR PLAYER” on the Bulls when he faced the Celtics!

@eugenebrown6477

14 күн бұрын

@@user-li2ir5ss5p they time was up

Lebron james losses 33!!!!! finals!!!!!😅

Lebron is a great basketball player, Michael Jordan was basketball, no comparison.

“We done with the 80s & 90s” 😂😂😂shot out Mike Peek

Lebron watched two guys get the Finals MVP because they shut down LeBron. That’s my important stat

It's as simple as this: have you ever seen Michael Jordan play basketball? Ever seen that, even just a highlight reel? Better to have seen actual games, but the mixtape makes it pretty well clear. If you've seen that, how is this a conversation? If you haven't, you should just stop talking. BTW equally revealing would be lowlight reels of both. Lebron's would be an endless litany of shame. Whereas, for MJ, I'm pressed to think what you'd even put on there.

Its crazy that Mutombo is no where on this list... Alonzo and some other players

Bird vs Magic and Jordan vs Malone were really two different eras

It the way the game is played criteria and rules changes and the path they took who strikes the most fear

Lebron james players losses 102😅

Not having that 3 second rule was big part of teams strategy to trying to slow MJ down. One could argue had the 3 second rule been added MJ wouldve had even more success.

Total competition comparison Jordan Playoff totals 14•First team 10•Second team 10•Third team 34• All NBA competition 15•All Defensive First team 17•All Defensive second team 2•6MOY 4•DPOY 3•MVP (19 playoff series) 4• Runner-up MVP (29 playoff series) 6• Best competition 59• All-star LeBron Playoffs total 10•First team 17•Second team 19• Third team 46•All NBA competition 16•All Defensive First team 21•All Defensive second team 1•6MOY 6•DPOY 3•MVP (37 playoff series) 1•Runner up MVP (36 playoff series) 4• Best competition

Man this is getting OLD AS HELL!! JORDAN IS THE GOAT!! Lebron had a chance to dethrone MJ, BUT HE FAILED! Case closed..

Jordan did it basically as a 1 man army ,lebron had the avengers every step of the way even the bubble title Ad was a top player who could get 30 jordan never had that what about defense stop bringing up lebron he's just not that dude they are trying hard but it's been over to many nba fans

One dude lost to the WCF 6 times the other beat the WCF 6 times theirs a huge difference. One team vs 4 different teams. One scored 8 points in the finals the other has the highest ppg in the finals. One was swept twice in the finals with 2 gentlemen sweeps one has never seen a game 7 in the finals what's the comparison?

I think you should use a multiplier for the amount of times each player faced said hof player

@rlh12345

24 күн бұрын

Why whould you try to make the list a more accurate representation of what it's supposed to reflect. Stop with the reasonable ideas.

MJ was the MVP, but that 6-12 😮 says it all, throw away the rest. MJ has a winning record 10-6 against All NBA talent, but LeBron has a losing record 6-12 against All NBA talent and his Finals record of 22-33 and Finals Series 4-6 proves that he can’t beat the best players so he can’t be the Goat 🐐 Disclaimer: I know there’s all these factors involved that you have to take into account, like team, role players and coaches, but MJ only played with 1 Top 75 players and Dennis 😂 and LeBron played with like 14 or something like that. If Jordan could 3 Pete with just Scottie and role players, why couldn’t LeBron 3 Pete with Wade and Bosh 😮 he went to 4 straight and if you the Goat 🐐 phuck all the excuses, you win all 4 and then you the Goat, leaving no doubt, but you had the greatest mental breakdowns and I just can’t get passed that 6-10 against elite competition, especially with losing to Curry 1-3 😮 with a sweep

lebron james sweep 4!!!!! Losses 😅 2024

Lebron using #23 is cringe

@stoniearterberry-me5fl

19 күн бұрын

I believe he chose #6 because that's how many rings the goat has.

You Forgot joe dumars who IS hall off famer!!!

You had some good numbers there. I don't think these kinds of numbers can definitively determine who faced tougher competition, but I think they do show that it's close. I think it disproves the argument that Jordan faced weak competition.

"That one right there made me the greatest of all time"- 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😅......unbelievable !!!!!

You forgot hakeem kareem kevin mchale and many more that mike faced.

Lebron has all the God given physical blessings to be the GOAT. What was missing was the fighting spirit and mental fortitude of a GOAT. MJ we miss you.

The debate is manufactured by media that can't create enough hype because they lack. . . .well. . . .creativity. Proof is that how can he face a bunch of MVPs when he IS the MVP? How can he face a top team when they ARE the top team? Media are clowns.

Great breakdown of how you explained everything with actual facts. The GOAT is MJ. Lebron fans try to bring the competition up to justify losing.

Jordan face 3 top 10 players,magic,Bird,Shaq

I tried to post a statiscal playoff comparison.Did not post.Very suspicious Jordanettes.

Jordan dominant period was during the expansion era which turned the 90s into a gap of true superteams compared to 80s and the later team ups of Dunan and Robinson and Shaq and Kobe and finally the Big three in Boston and you've basically needed almost a super team to win since. In the 90s you simply couldn't have as many stars on any team because there was suddenly more teams and teams had to drop players as with the Bad Boys no longer being the Bad Boys after winning their first title and losing Mahorn to the expansion draft. Any all time player who played in the period would have competed under the same conditions and it's just a factor of their date of birth that renders this dynamic absolutely irrelevant when people focus on it in terms of how many greats were teammates and opponents on individual teams they faced when winning. Lebron played on more stacked teams and played more stacked teams and that evens out on both sides and makes it a non point. These more stacked teams played under different rules tho which creates enormous difficulties as to concluding which teams are better and you can't just look at rosters and numbers and also when stats are now so inflated by a ton of more possessions a game.

Lebroom is just Karl Malone...If Karl made just one more fg and one 3 per game or 2 fgs more, with Malone's +3000 rebounds but -3000 pts, one could argue they are equal! Yes, No? The only difference would be in assists Karl having half as many but that would only justify how the pace of game and in and out play through Stockton and others...Thoughts?

Plus the league today sucks when there's no defense and everybody can just wander there's no handshaking no resistance the game sucks none of these people in this era are any good all they do is shoot threes and nobody gives a s***

This is crazy. Taking the players and not putting them into context of the teams they were on is so much fun. “It’s just what the numbers say” is wild with no context. Lebron has had to play dynasties with multiple arguably top 10 players. Curry, Duncan, KD, Jokic. Then you put the TEAMS into context it is night and day LeBron

@johnnythekid4601

21 күн бұрын

so lets just erase everything from the record book prior to 2004 because everything else players accomplished before then shouldn't count because all those stats were accomplished against a bunch of bums instead of the superior athlete of today.

@martindrouincourtois

21 күн бұрын

You are kidding right ? The team concept was deeper in the 80, 90's. Everybody was playing defense, if you did not you were on the banch including superstars. A Lebron in the 90's not getting back or saying he is tired would get it from the team, teammates and coach. It is a different era, but man do player get away with a lot nowadays. The complaning all the time would be technical in the past, a Larry Bird playing with Lebron would probably have punch him for not getting better effort or getting is butt in the post. A kobe teammate to Lebron would have yeall at him for not getting better at his fondamentals. The game of basketball is played to win the rest is secondary and on that Jordan is unmatch compare to Lebron. No threepeat even when he was in Miami with a weak east is just bad.

His first point is the one I always make. LeBron has more physical advantages and played more games, but he still hasn't accomplished as much as MJ. He should be blowing MJ away. It shouldn't even be close.

That has nothing to do with who is better tho stats are the only way to say who is better at the game and lbj are better

MJ just back it up there's a time you have to be the man the bulls just bully the NBA

Great video, MJ played much better playoff comp than Bron, a few corrections here, you showed Jordan’s 29 HOF opponents and said the number 27, it’s technically 30, Christian Laettner has been inducted into 5 different Hall of Fame clubs including the FIBA Hall of Fame, Polish American Sports Hall of Fame, U.S. Olympic Hall of Fame, College Hall of Fame and most importantly the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, even if it came as a member of the 1992 Team USA 🇺🇸 Dream Team it still counts, you also forgot Chauncey Billups who got inducted this year, Penny Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Mark Price, Brad Daugherty, Alvin Robertson, Bill Laimbeer, Glen Rice, Shawn Kemp, Buck Williams should be in HOF! Playoffs MJ faced 40 HOFers to Bron’s 27.

Leborn is not even rated no 2.. closest debate is Kobe. 5 titles, slam dunk champion. all stars MVP, ok 1 thing.. Any 1 that had a Failed records on National games/ Olympics gold.. had no right to call himself Goat !. ( understood Leborn is trying to make this up by leading a team to Olympics but that wont change the fact he lose not 1x but 2 x! MJ already a National hero before before leading USA to Olympic Gold. PERIOD

@rlh12345

24 күн бұрын

Slam dunk champion and all star MVP 🤣. 2 championships as the best player. The others barely count. When it comes to GOAT legacy or even top 5 all time. Of the major individual awards. finals MVP and Regular season MVP, Kobe has 3. Nowhere near enough to be talking GOAT stuff.

@jameslee9742

24 күн бұрын

@@rlh12345 Kobe did something that all the debated Goat can't... Kobe got 2 NBA Titles .. without a top75 players.. MJ had, Leborn had so is Kareem. Don't get me wrong MJ is still Goat. But Kobe did it not once but 2x without a top 75 help.. he is the debate Also we should Thanks Kobe for the redeem team. Without Kobe USA is still not a Top Basketball Nations!

@jameslee9742

24 күн бұрын

Without Kobe redeem team..Leborn, D.wade and even 5 title tim Duncan had no idea how to win a international game !

Stockton over guys like Westbrook who have won MVP and CP3v who most would rank with next to or above Stockton? And why not Shaq for Bron too? He played him in the playoffs

On Team Jordan ALL were 2 WAY Players. On Team Lebron Only one was a Two way Player (Duncan). Team Jordan All Day.

MJ played against more hall of famers.

of course lebron played more games then micheal jordan because he been in the league alot longer then jordan lebron came in the lead when jordan already had retired they was changing the rules then and they never stop

Very cool comparison. This doesn't take into accout the level of skill in either era, though. I would love to hear an argument about how today's NBA players are all a product of MJ, being much more skilled, and athletic becuase of the advances in training. I say if you drop LBJ, Paul George, Luka, KD, Devin Booker, etc into Jordan's era, they would be UNGUARDABLE! There was the hand check, though. Shaq, was one of the main things that affected the league, in the 90's, because every team had to carry multiple big men to be able to defend him. This probably stunted the growth of skill bigs , because you're just gettingguys who can handle being bullied by Shaq. Jordan never played versus an Embid, Porzingis, or Jokic. You can say MJ played against better comp by the numbers, but you're comparing apples to oranges when it comes to skill level.

Well all I know is Jordan was 0-6 and swept multiple times in the playoffs against the Celtics. Greatest individual player but Bird was the greatest team player ever. LeBron ain't near the greatest ever.

@Fernando-vg4ym

24 күн бұрын

And yet... MJ has more titles than Bird. And Magic. And Kobe....

@vernonhurley1300

24 күн бұрын

@@Fernando-vg4ym after Magic and Bird retired. One series win against Magic but 0-6 against the Celtics

@Fernando-vg4ym

23 күн бұрын

@@vernonhurley1300 How much help did MJ have? Those Celtics and Lakers were loaded with all-stars and Hall-of-Famers. Of course, you don't want to mention that. MJ is the ONLY player in NBA Finals history to win two titles without an all-star on his team. Neither Bird or Magic could win one title without any all-star help, much less two.

LeBalco played with more HoFs than MJ and only won 3 rings. MJ would be winning rings every year if he had the same teams.

I’m not buying this garbage. Jordan didn’t have two other teammates that can score over 20 a game. Pippin 19.5

I didnt grow up with mj but ive always thought lebron james is the best and i was rooting for golden state. Im from denver

Keep comparing eras for as long as you like and you'll never see the end of these discussions. Just enjoy the games. Basketball is forever evolving, and so are the players.

@ckingtruth

24 күн бұрын

Bron has pushed basketball back. Nothing about his game has ever evolved

Kobe faced the toughest competition!

Another way to look at this is Which player had the better teammates!!!! Lebron purposely stacked the deck by collusion several times!! Even Lebron made the statement about the Heat = "not 4,not5, not6, not 7 = expecting to win rings almost every year with that team. Jordan never colluded or failed in the Finals ( and Jordan never flopped and complained like Lebron). If you are the goat, you do not proclaim it = you let others say it for you!!!!!!

A lot of the super teams that have formed since 2019 were derailed by injuries and the virus and biased officials have carried LeBron to the playoffs in recent years especially the last two seasons.

Yes, Jordan played much tougher competition in the playoffs. The only thing LeBron has is facing the KD/Steph Warriors but he got his butt kicked, Jordan would never

At the end of the day lebron faced better players someone has to be an allstar in a bum era

Lebron hands down!!!

Bad boy will END Lebums career

Where's Kobe? Isn't he in the top 75?

@martindrouincourtois

21 күн бұрын

Lebron never played against Kobe in the playoffs, even in the weak east he did not make it

MJ is the goat

Always a fruitless task comparing players over different eras. The game today is fundamentally different from 80's and 90's basketball and in my humble opinion, far less appealing and attractive to watch. However, I think it would be fair to say that the game over the last 10 years has probably produced, on average, the best pure shooters to ever play the game. This makes sense as that is what the game requires today. In terms of how MJ'S skills translate over time, to today's game, I have no doubt he would likely be even more unstoppable than he was back in the day. This seems fair to say as many past and current players believe he would average 50 in today's league should he decide to. On the other hand, LeBron would no doubt have some success if he were to play back in the 90's, if for no other reason than his pure athletic ability, but, I honestly don't believe he would have anywhere near the success he has had if he had been playing against centres like, Hakeem, Ewing, Shaq, Robinson and even Kareem in the mid to late 80's. Its also worth considering the number of rule changes that took place at the turn of the century, all these were carefully designed to make the game less physical and easier to score.

I swear people are digging way too deep just to make content - at the end of the day it’s simple, if you’re great you dominate your peers as an individual and team environment…..MJ did both, LBJ couldn’t 🤷‍♂️ end of discussion 🤦‍♂️ anything else becomes subjective as hell.

Well said disagree because he wasn't in the Western Conference in his prime so that a dumb narrative

The major difference between Jordan and Lebron facing tough competition is Jordan got tougher when the competition was tougher. Lebron when the competition got tougher folded like my mom with the clothes fresh out of the dryer in the 80’s and 90’s.

😂 no offense but LeBron James should not be even compared to Michael Jordan much less saying how close they are they're not closed they're not even a mile apart it don't matter anyway LeBron sucks who in his era was great nobody in his era is great they're just a bunch of mediocre or role players they're not that good but like I said LeBron shouldn't even be compared to Michael Jordan cuz he was nowhere near Michael Jordan you forgot about Kobe and all the other grades first you got to be better than those guys which he is not never was never will be

This is very unhonest

MJ played during a tougher era when bums weren’t scoring 20-40-50 pts on any given night like they do today. There’s no defense, traveling is clearly allowed, and you can palm the ball in today’s game. That matters a lot when it comes to offense. Lebron is a manufactured superstar that was literally babied into this league and played most of his career in the weakest era of eastern conference basketball. Funny to note how he can’t win since going to the west coast. I know that he won during the pandemic, but nobody counts that due to limited competition. The bubble was a complete joke, and shouldn’t count at all.

Lebron is the goat

Lbj career was ok mj made the nba it’s a big difference for y’all not tho think mime faced super teams to get to the finals u guys is crazy asl please stop jordan beat all that was in front of him and to think jordan finals comp was weak is sad I bet 96 sonics beat 12 abd 13 heat beat 98 Utah beats 16 cavaliers

Nikola Jokic is NOT top 75, he is 0-5 vs 50+ win teams but 8-0 vs sub 50 win teams, 2023 title was one of the EASIEST in NBA history! #8 seed 42-40 Wolves, injured #4 seed 45-37 Suns, #7 seed 43-39 Lakers and play-in #8 seed 44-38 Heat🍰🍰🍰🍰today’s era has produced the weakest MVPs ever D. Rose, Westbrick, choke artist Harden and choke artist Embiid, you’ve been objective enough, Shaq made Top 50 after 4 full seasons, I don’t wanna hear any excuses from anyone for Jokic NOT being good to make the list after 6 full seasons, Jordan’s era more Top 75 snubs, I don’t see you adding unofficial Top 75 players for MJ?!?! 🧐 Bernard King, Adrian Dantley, Walter Davis, Alex English, Kevin Johnson, Dennis Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Joe Dumars, Chris Webber, Artis Gilmore, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo.

Shocking truth is just to ignorant people. The rest of the people who know basketball knew these truths

Plus I don't care how you word it LeBron still sucks you need to quit this you're not good at it because you like LeBron LeBron is not even close the next person is Kobe LeBron's not even near Kobe yet so I don't know what all this crap you're talking

I do not credit this simplistic way of looking at the numbers. It is misleading in many respects, since totals (and choices) hide many details. How many champion level teams did Jordan face in the playoffs? Detroit and the Lakers (although only Detroit had their champion squad, while the Lakers were missing several important pieces of their championship rosters with a different coach). Whereas LeBron faced the dynastic Spurs (3x) and GSW, (4x) and the Big Three Celtics many times as well. It would be more accurate to count all their MVPs as many times as he faced them, not just once on a list (of course, doing the same for Jordan, but he saw only one (Karl Malone) 2x). Michael Jordan faced 16 Hall of Famers during the playoffs on 39 occasions. He posted a winning record against six of the 16, a tied record with one, and a losing record with 9 of the 16. His total record in the playoffs against Hall of Fame opponents was 17-22, with 10 of his 17 wins coming against Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley and Alonzo Mourning alone (who never won a championship except Mourning in a reserve role behind Shaq). If you include his Finals appearances, MJ faced 24 Hall of Famers on 48 separate occasions, with a final postseason record of 26-22, or 54%. The problem with this is that 20% of his entire postseason wins came against three players who never won rings. The biggest issue with Jordan’s career is he never beat an opponent of his caliber in their prime. Another knock on his career is that of the fifteen Hall of Fame opponents he faced more than once in the postseason, he only posted a winning record against four of them. Did Jordan ever face a team with TWO players who'd won MVPs? No, never. That's what LeBron faced going up vs. the GSW with Durant. Jordan didn't play as many sub-.500 teams because his team WAS a sub-.500 team 3x in the playoffs. He faced more 60 win teams because the '90s league had the most 50 and 60 games *losing* teams of any decade, and the best teams were basically gifted 10+ wins a season. As Rodman explained, the 72 win Bulls would have won in the 50-ish range in the '80s, not reaching even 60 wins. (And he added, 'we could beat most teams in the league with our eyes closed, mostly.')

No matter how hard they tried to make Jordan looked better than LeBron. The numbers still tilting LeBron's way. Individually, LeBron ruled Jordan, but team wise Jordan had the advantage.