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@macphat8551

3 жыл бұрын

LEBRON HAD WAY BETTER PLAYER'S THAN JORDAN SPEAK FACT'S

@antonyselvan7230

3 жыл бұрын

@@macphat8551 well that's just wrong

@agk9276

3 жыл бұрын

The reason why I watch this channel is bc all you do is spit facts.

@macphat8551

3 жыл бұрын

WHAT FACTS HE SPEAK STAT'S LIKE A LEBRON FAN DO

@360kingz

3 жыл бұрын

@@antonyselvan7230 Jordan avg 30 while his 2nd best teammate pippen avg 16 points, kyrie avg 26, dwade 25,AD 27, bosh 17,love 16....

"So what changed" ? A 7-footer with a unibrow

@ForWhatItsWorth_

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@genericname7020

3 жыл бұрын

@Mou khles. They were on the lakers last year.

@xxtooshiestyxx8756

3 жыл бұрын

The whole damn roster tbh 😂

@ryanwatts3781

3 жыл бұрын

And good team health

@rasenganb41vtx

3 жыл бұрын

cry

You can't just use the rings argument, but you can't just dismiss it either. Have to look at the entire body of work and it includes chips, stats, accolades, eye test, dominance at their peak. When comparing the GOAT have to look at every single thing they have going and against them. But winning is a huge part because you play to win the game, you don't just play just to play it.

@dgames8900

3 жыл бұрын

Well said

@hiitsme3039

3 жыл бұрын

Most do play to play

@user-sp2he3bk4m

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry but that just isn’t true. You do that once you want to know the best player of all time. People don’t understand that the biggest factor in the GOAT debate is impact. I’ll give you a perfect example. The best boxer statistically is either Floyd Mayweather or Sugar Robinson but if I ask you right now who the greatest boxer of all time is, what will be your answer? Exactly, Muhammad Ali. No one had the impact Ali had on boxing, athletes and just on the world. And that is also why no matter how many rings Lebron will get, Mike will always be considered greater than Lebron on a global scale. Why? Because Lebron’s impact is nowhere near Jordan’s impact. You don’t go to the store to buy Lebron’s, you go to buy Jordans. When you think of 23 you think of Jordan.

@trowabarton321

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-sp2he3bk4m Oh I agree with that. Jordan is the greatest because he changed the paradigm of winning. Changed the way how you build a team around your best player. Along with his skillset, dominance etc. Dude's a mount Rushmore athlete. With Ali, Babe Ruth, Maybe Jim Brown or Jerry Rice, If we go to other sports, Wayne Gretzky, Pele etc.

@devinkurant6863

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-sp2he3bk4m I have never seen a more accurate take on the GOAT debate. Seriously, this should comment should have more attention. I also think that the best player of all time debate is incredibly dumb. The Lebron/Jordan debate demonstrates it perfectly. I mean, how can you possibly compare two players, who play/played entirely different positions, played in an entirely different era, having different competition, different rules, different pace of game,... It’s dumb and has many flaws in it.

didn't people say the same thing after he won his third title?

@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t

3 жыл бұрын

Facts lol

@elchoppa2346

3 жыл бұрын

Naw people said this when KD won his first cuz KD kinda ruined the system I mean there’s been big 3s like Moses Malone signing to the sixers and lebron signing to the heat or Boston in 08 but there’s never been a team since the Celtics to be overwhelming favorites like the golden state warriors

@cj2cool552

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t ik you aint talking mr blow a 3-1 lead

@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t

3 жыл бұрын

@@elchoppa2346 Heat were the overwhelming favorites tho. They just lost

@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t

3 жыл бұрын

@@cj2cool552 Curry record in the finals vs LeBron

The title of the video makes it seem like lebron won his 6th or 7th ring

@shalamahthezero5102

3 жыл бұрын

Darren Gordon-Hill I was just about type something like that

@arthype13

3 жыл бұрын

Chelle idiot Robert Horry never lead a team to a title, he was a role player that is a bad faith argument and a lame one

@BruvahSulaiman

3 жыл бұрын

Right. He ain't even got 5 yet.

@BruvahSulaiman

3 жыл бұрын

And this wasn't even a real season. Had they played a full season AD would've gotten injured and LA would not have won this title.

@BruvahSulaiman

3 жыл бұрын

@@arthype13 He knows it's a bad faith argument. Ppl who value rings (because winning is literally the goal) always value rings *AND* stats *AND* accolades. LeBron stans always want to remove rings completely. The rest of us put it all in perspective. That includes supporting cast, who they beat and why they beat them (Toronto only wins that title with KD injured) etc. It *ALL* should always be used. Not any 1 aspect of a players legacy. Not just 2 aspects or 3. Every single aspect.

This also seems flawed. Kevin Durant to GSW? They were already winning championships and going to the finals. So many other factors to consider: Training, coaching, competition, player health, team chemistry. This is a very surface level analysis. I get your point but the examples and logic seems rather limited in conveying the reasoning.

@williebender1895

3 жыл бұрын

And PED usage

@InternetPersonTK421

3 жыл бұрын

@@williebender1895 LOL!!!

@FARecordsJF

3 жыл бұрын

I think you didn't watch the video. He addressed KD going to GSW

@jadenangell615

3 жыл бұрын

His point was that KD couldn't win in OKC because he didn't have a good roster around him. He's not saying that Durant was the key to Golden State winning championships. He's saying it's the other way around. Golden State was the key for KD

@Hellstrike

3 жыл бұрын

@@FARecordsJF Nah, I did. Point being KD to GSW isn't a good example for this concept. That team winning had little to do with him and more to do with coaching and the chemistry and talent already in place along with the championship bearing evidence they laid out previously. KD was just the certification they'd win no matter what, because if anything it'd be embarrassing. This video's point is putting together the right pieces with a star player that ultimately lead to a title and there's many factors left out.

No one person can dominate something designed for a team.

@lovethick

3 жыл бұрын

Great Point!

@arthype13

3 жыл бұрын

False, we see 1 player dominate the game of basketball all the time.

@diegogianoli7696

3 жыл бұрын

@Mou khles. i see you are a man of culture

@michealjaymurphy

3 жыл бұрын

More true of other team sports than basketball tho

@atlien1988

3 жыл бұрын

@Mou khles. your argument doesn't even make sense. You argue that One player can't dominate a team game, then say unless its lionel messi. Individual players dominate team games all the time. Wilt did it, so did Kareem, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron, etc. Y'all weird.

You gotta give the Lakers their props but you can't ignore Steph, Klay, KD, & Kyrie were all out due to injury & this is a Covid season where the lack of home court advantage played a massive factor. If Steph & Klay weren't injured the Western Conference Finals would've been GSWs vs Lakers/Clippers. If KD & Kyrie weren't injured the Eastern Conference Finals would've been Nets vs Heat. Also if this wasn't a Covid season with no home court advantage no way in hell do the Nuggets come back down 1-3 in two separate playoff series.

@kathykelly5930

3 жыл бұрын

@Chelle But some years more than others are decided by injury. Plus they got a 5th seed in finals, who then gets really banged up and didn't have to play the best team on paper. Some of the other elite teams were really young as well. Weird year.

We should definitely use championships to rate players. The issue is people who use that as the only determine factor.

@angelb4232

3 жыл бұрын

When I come across people that use solely championship to define a player ranking i.e Jordan is better than LeBron because he made it to 6 finals and won it all. I always state, well maybe if he made it to 10 finals and won only 6, would that devalue him as a player because of 4 losses? Plus Robert Horry has 7 championship, that is value making him higher than Jordan because he has one more? I am told no that is not the case. Well I saw this earlier and I was like you can't dismiss the stronghold this man has. NBA season start, what are the CHANCES of winning the league, Is LeBron James in your conference? No, you might have a chance. Yes, is he your teammate? Yes, you might have a chance No, you have no chance... when I saw that I was like wow. The fact is despite his loses at the final, he was able to give himself a chance to win it. That cant be said for every player no matter how great they were to be consistency given a chance to win it. Yes it is a team sport, but you can't deny that he make a team go from normal to title contender from just joining them.

Rings aren't everything but you can't just dismiss them

@carusohighlightreel4275

3 жыл бұрын

Idk what’s hard to understand tbh. You’re looking at them as individuals, what is a ring itself gonna tell you? If they win a ring, look at their impact and why they did to do so, not the ring itself.

@jz3663

26 күн бұрын

@@carusohighlightreel4275 what are you talking about? Are you telling me all the stats these guys put up are for fun? What are they doing it for? Just to say “hey I scored a lot”… everyone wants the ring and it’s not easy to get much less 2 3-peats

My problem with the whole argument is people want to pick and choose when it’s a team sport. For example, people always give Bron all of the credit for him making it to the finals, speaking on his dominance and how he “carries teams”. However, whenever he loses the Finals, all of a sudden it’s a team sport so you can’t blame him for it. I feel like if you give a player credit for making it to the finals, you have to give them the majority of the blame when they lose on the big stage. Also, rings are what players play for, so to say they shouldn’t be used is flawed imo. If you don’t use the most important thing in a player’s career, how do you rank players? I don’t think using just stats and personal accolades can fully portray a player’s career.

@anthonyanderson9303

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly if rings don't matter than Karl Malone would be ranked a hell of alot higher than what he is.

@1vaultdweller

3 жыл бұрын

This illogic was started by Jordan fanboys you know. When he wins during 90s it was him alone they mention, no teammate was included. But ask them the years he lost during 80s and suddenly they talk nothing but Jordan's teammates and never include Jordan

@atlien1988

3 жыл бұрын

@@1vaultdweller no. I never really heard anyone dismiss Pip growing up. It was only until several years ago when people began comparing LeBron comparisons that Pippen was compared to Shaq, Kobe, LeBron, Wade, etc. Scottie was great, but he wasn't as good as those guys I listed and that's just a fact.

@1vaultdweller

3 жыл бұрын

@@atlien1988 Lies. During 90s Jordan was the lone poster child, instead of being part of a duo. Media portrayed *him* as a winner, not the Bulls team

@pimpinb11

3 жыл бұрын

@@stratosphere2323 I don’t agree that full praise/blame should be given to a single player, even if they’re the driving force. However, for someone who thinks like that, yes, they would place the blame on Jordan.

Having another top 5 player on the team helps win a title as well.

@ZyperSide

3 жыл бұрын

It makes up for not having anyone in ‘07.

@ZyperSide

3 жыл бұрын

@I hate Bronsexuals Are you going to use context or make the same poor argument like everyone else?

@clumsybanana6524

3 жыл бұрын

Dirk

I 99% of the time agree with your videos but this one? This ain't it chief.

@TDMediaGroup

3 жыл бұрын

Because he's actually making a logical argument?

@elchoppa2346

3 жыл бұрын

TD Hip Hop Media why not

@tiktokexposed898

3 жыл бұрын

Nah hes speaking facts

@libraalibaba

3 жыл бұрын

The only part of the argument that is true is you do need a championship supporting cast.

@user-hs5vb6kc9o

3 жыл бұрын

And this kids is what we call "confirmation bias"

Here is the flaw in your argument: No one is saying "Lebron became good only after joining Miami" They are saying Lebron conquored his demons, whatever they may be that allowed him realize his full potential in 2012. He completely shrank in the moment in 2011 which is why its often said that DWade pushed and subsequently taught Lebron how to win and BE the guy. Also rings do matter. They are important but they arent the end all be all. Neither are FMVPS, because neither tell a complete story of how good a player is, how good their competition is and the level of help they had. This is something that HAS to be on a case by case basis. And here is a good example. In the 2002 Finals, Kobe didnt win FMVP even though his numbers in the middle of the dead-ball era vs a top defensive team was as good if not better than Lebron's finals numbers in 2013 and this is comparing a shooting guard who plays iso to a small forward who drives. Does that mean Kobe simply wasnt good enough? No, context is needed. Also FMVP ignore that in reality, Wilt would have 2 and Bill Russell would have like 7 or 8.

@yahiakamel2747

3 жыл бұрын

U forgot to mention LeBron played 7 games against a far tougher opponent whilst Kobe not only had Shaq not only played in just 4 games it was against the new jersey nets. They were the second longest odds team to make the finals in history. So please don't lack context

@yahiakamel2747

3 жыл бұрын

And every superstar has had a choke series they are not documented as much as LeBron. Tragic Johnson in 84 Larry bird averaging 15ppg in a finals Michael Jordan in the 89 conference finals Kobe in 04 against the pistons and in 2008 against the Celtics Steph curry 2016 finals Kevin Durant 2016 conference finals kawhi Leonard game 7 against the nuggets Duncan 2013 finals Shaq 95 finals Karl Malone 1997 finals Dirk 2006 finals .Yet all people want to bring up is LeBron in 2011 but every player has struggled I just listed most of the top 20 players ever and their chokes some worse than LeBron but his counts more. Also apart from bird all of these players lost that particular series

@JL-wh5xu

3 жыл бұрын

Should we ignore kobe shooting terribly in 04 finals then?

@MineShackle

3 жыл бұрын

@@JL-wh5xu what does that have to do with my comment

@JL-wh5xu

3 жыл бұрын

@@MineShackle the shrinking logic isn't consistent when you would acknowledge that lebron was the better player than wade, but because wade had a ring, you believe he taught lebron how to win? then how come kobe shrunk so drasitcally in 04 after 3 rings

Did he?

@joshloach9016

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@3nim3nimabl3

3 жыл бұрын

He never will but he's still better than MJ

@ForWhatItsWorth_

3 жыл бұрын

@@3nim3nimabl3 LMFAOOOOOOOO

@jadenangell615

3 жыл бұрын

@@3nim3nimabl3 Stop

@eyen91

3 жыл бұрын

@Jerry Lehelp the GOAT? Remember when they missed the playoffs the year prior? Let me guess no help lol.

Also to be fair, adding AD is like MJ saying the Bulls were a Horace Grant away and the Bulls filling it in with Shaq.

@libraalibaba

3 жыл бұрын

Precisely or Hakeem

@EmmanuelAniTheSchism

3 жыл бұрын

@A Lakonophile The previous season ending is redundant. My point was that Jordan wanted his team to be made better - like LeBron did, and the equivalent would be Krauss adding Shaq (or Hakeem). Rodman had to rebuild his rep in Chi, AD came in with his talent unquestioned.

@EmmanuelAniTheSchism

3 жыл бұрын

@A Lakonophile on principle, my statement still stands.

@EmmanuelAniTheSchism

3 жыл бұрын

@A Lakonophile You're making the case for games won when I didn't. The principle was that Jordan wanted his team to get better therefore the comparison is still apt.

@EmmanuelAniTheSchism

3 жыл бұрын

@A Lakonophile *moot* or not, when examined, the reality of the situation is LeBron doesn't get there without AD. I'm not comparing scenarios, I'm comparing the individuals talent wise. You didn't go out and get Christian wood, you got Anthony Davis. That's why I'm not comparing the scenarios surrounding them because on a talent-based level, the comparison still stands. That's why people understood what I was saying initially.

Had this one locked and loaded

@injusticeanywherethreatens4810

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO its only been like 2 hours since the Lakers won it. This was ready to be fired off. I wonder if they still would have dropped it if the Heat won?

The real NBA GOAT is Basketball Examined. Glad you're back, man!

if someone can convince me that every player on a team contributes equally to a championship i might take the idea seriously. If thats the case then the 2018-2019 cavs should be considered one of the most disappointing teams in nba history since they lost 1 player from the finals team the season before and then went 19-63. Notice how stupid that sounds? Championships can't be the only measurement of greatness. But when you're comparing all time great players, they will carry weight. I'm willing to bet in everyone's top ten list are ten players who all won championships, at least two each. Can anyone sit there with a straight face and say those championships had NOTHING to do with their placement? at all?

@anthonyanderson9303

3 жыл бұрын

@kostas pap Wilt was great, but he did come up small in key moments. There's no way in hell they should have lost to the knicks in 70 with a hobbled Willis Reed. Thats on Wilt.

@geraldwilson1705

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron got ass kicked by a waterboy in 2011 finals

@DemonKing-oi4jd

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't it so weird how Wilt and LeBron's careers are so eerily similar 🤔...

@geraldwilson1705

3 жыл бұрын

@@DemonKing-oi4jd wilt better than lebron

@MrRedbull901

3 жыл бұрын

@@geraldwilson1705 wilt better than mj and kobe too

Great Video! Basketball Examined, keep making basketball logical great videos! Awesome Job!

You always coming with the bangers💯

Also there is a reason the finals had such horrible ratings and don't blame it on covid cause the last dance came out during covid and did huge numbers.

@david.tousignant20

3 жыл бұрын

The NBA, NHL, NFL, F1, MMA, boxing... sports saw their ratings plummeted in the last twenty years. The way people consumed sports has been changing in the last 20 years : highlights, illegal streaming sites, basketball applications, etc. But, major sports are still caught in the 1990s... They're basing their numbers on TV ratings! Most people nowadays don't have cable... About the documentaries and KZread contents are on the rise lately for multiple reasons : 1) It's easily accessible, the cost are minimal on internet platforms ; 2) You can watch your show/analysis wherever you want and whenever you want; 3) There are barely no adds and less "dead time" (in the NFL, some games took 4 hours to be completed); 4) You can choose whatever you want. "The Last Dance" aired on Netflix... People were able to chose when to watch it, where to watch it, they had choices... Imagine a NBA application that allowed you to watch games you want, whenever you want and isn't lagging. I paid for NBA services that aren't available in my region, with bias medias... The NBA want more ratings? They have to evolve or die trying.

@drizzejohnson5767

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a lot of reasons but 1 is fans are bored of seeing not just Bron, but super star players teaming up to get rings. If the AD trade doesn’t happen Bron & AD may face each other in playoffs. By them teaming up that eliminates 1 possible playoff team. Fans know that. Even if it was GS I think ratings would be low. But also the league is still pushing Bron down our throats & he’s not even the best player to most people so it seems forced. & then you have the politics & sports, & other things

@david.tousignant20

3 жыл бұрын

@@drizzejohnson5767 NBA medias and fans created the "ring argument" in the first place... And constantly brought it on the table in the last years or so. NBA players were just tired of the same fallacies aka the "the ring argument". The Boston Celtics re-started lately the trend we already saw in the 1970s with the Knicks & the Lakers. And the rest is history...

@LeoBan99

3 жыл бұрын

@@drizzejohnson5767 you rather see Lebron kill AD on the pels than them both together playing great basketball?

@Pit_1209

3 жыл бұрын

@@drizzejohnson5767 Tell me 1 season besides the 2004 Detroit Pistons were players were not "teaming up" to win championships via trade or FA, just one were a team wouldn't have at least 2 all-stars, one of them an MVP or 1st team all-nba, I'll wait.

I respectfully disagree.

So they play 82 games to do what exactly? Win a spot at home with the rest of us while someone else takes the gold? The ultimate goal for every nba player is a piece of gold fam. That’s it. If that’s THEIR end all be all goal to win AS A TEAM, I don’t see the problem with judging according to what THEIR goal is. Idk any player that says “ I’m just trying make it through this season so I can focus on the next 82 games.” Great video just don’t agree with that one statement fam.

@zepolian1

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think that's what he's saying at all. The players obviously want to win it all but they don't have the cast around them to get them there. Team ownership and management can waste the careers of a lot of talented players.

@shalamahthezero5102

3 жыл бұрын

@@zepolian1 shoot. My misunderstanding then! And my apologies to y’all! Thanks for the clarification

@DemonKing-oi4jd

3 жыл бұрын

@@shalamahthezero5102 James Harden only plays for the 82 game MVP

@Lance_Thorpe_Esq.

3 жыл бұрын

He's saying that PLAYERS shouldn't be judged by rings, SOLELY...not teams. Sure judge one team vs another by using the ring argument.

@clumsybanana6524

3 жыл бұрын

@@zepolian1 uh no. If no one wants to play with you. Ain't Shit management can do. I.e Isaiah Thomas dwade bosh drose. The list goes on. Its not management fault. I know it is hard to believe but these "players " are human and a lot factors into where you go n y you go. Those early years with LeBron lots of people did t want to go to Cleveland and play with the self appointed king.

Been waiting on this

Weak argument. Think about it. If the ring argument should not be used, then why did Lebron needed to win it? Why did he claim that he's the greatest only after winning the ring in Cleveland? Consistently appearing in the playoffs only prove that he is consistent (hehe),; Great, but NOT the Greatest.

@1vaultdweller

3 жыл бұрын

Do you believe Russell is the Goat and Horry is better then Jordan? If not, then you arent consistent with your own argument

@ZenGaming03

3 жыл бұрын

@@1vaultdweller just use common sense. Are those two players the ace of their team? If you want to compare 2 players for GOAT status. Don't discredit anything. Rings, stats, accolades. Even stat is flawed. It's not perfect. Scores nowadays are inflated due to rule changes. Not to mention the stat padding (cough: Westbrick). Jetchico has a point there.

@oluwaseyijohnson3162

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZenGaming03 the ring argument is saying rings and nothing else

@deangelocarter9180

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Horry> Micheal Jordan

@1vaultdweller

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZenGaming03 It's absolutely certain that Russell won more then 6 as the ace of his team. Jordan stans gotta admit his goat status, according to their own logic

Jimmy Butler and Udonis Haslem took Lebron and AD to 6 games. Goat my ass

Last time I checked didn’t Lebron play on the Most Stacked teams In the East from ‘10-17 and Still Underperform bc He still Lost In 11,15,17, 18 U can’t erase Losses

@kaioken301

3 жыл бұрын

You forgot 14 as well

@Azariah-Israel

3 жыл бұрын

Kaio Ken I sure Did... Imo he just cracked top 5

@BasketballExamined

3 жыл бұрын

1. Lebron never lost an NBA Finals. The Heat and the Cavaliers did, it's not 1 vs 5. 2. Did you honestly think that LeBron was going to lead the Cavs to a championship in 2015 without Love and Irving? Did you think the 2017 Cavs had a chance at beating the 2017 Warriors? 2018 Cavs vs 2018 Warriors? It's a team game. The 2017 Cavs basically swept the East (12-1) and still got gentlemen swept by arguably the greatest team in NBA History. There's no shame in that.

@kaioken301

3 жыл бұрын

@@BasketballExamined A loss is a loss. Doesn't matter how it happened, it's a permanent stain on a player's finals record. Fair or not. It's how franchise cornerstone superstars are judged and ranked all time. And it's funny how you say an L is on the team, yet with this win it's Lebron alone that ended the ring argument. Can't have it both ways. If the L is on the team as a whole, you can't turn around and then give all the credit for the win to Lebron. The Heat, Cavs, and now Lakers put an end to this argument, not just Lebron.

@BasketballExamined

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaioken301 1. A loss for who? The player or the Team? Again, it's not 1 vs 5. It's a team game. 2. It's actually not how franchise cornerstone superstars are judged and ranked all time, it's how *you* judge and rank players. 3. *it's funny how you say an L is on the team, yet with this win it's Lebron alone that ended the ring argument* Uh no, if you actually listened to the video, you would've heard that the last words that came out of my mouth were *what Lebron James and the other superstars of this era have proven, is that the ring argument is and has always been completely flawed* and as you look at the video, you don't just see Lebron. You see Kawhi, Steph, KD, AD as well as Lebron.

Hey man I'm curious, how many subscribers do you have? Love your videos

How long you had this video cooking for?

Davis brought the change. From missing the playoffs to championship. LeBron is a genius in forming superteams.

Appraising a players body of work should be done via multi-variate analysis - all aspects should be weighed and considered. Championships are just one facet

What is the music in the background called?

Thank you

After 10 finals and only win 4 after jumping from team to team to team to team most overrated player ever

@Mckylan

3 жыл бұрын

Context is needed. And look at jimmy butler. Dude went from the Bulls to the Timberwolves to 76ers and Heat within 3 years. But are you judging him? I guess you arent.

@HaveFunLosingBro

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mckylan Butler isn't a top 10 or 5 all-time player much less in the Goat conversation. When you are differentiating the all-time greats from other all-time greats you set them to higher standards.

@HaveFunLosingBro

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mckylan How you going to compare what a top two player in the game for over a decade does to a player who is barely sniffing the top 10?

@wickerman5867

3 жыл бұрын

Talk about deflecting eh? Lmfao "well wuh what about ..... blah blah etc" zero logic to their arguements

@3nim3nimabl3

3 жыл бұрын

2007 only star on his team 2015 only star on his team 2017 Warriors created an even better team than their 73-9 team not even Jordan could beat 2018 only star on his team

What beat is playing in the background?

Good video. Basketball is a team sport. Nothing but facts 💯

can't be a winner with no rings, i answer yes to all of your questions

@Poopopotamusgaming

3 жыл бұрын

Rings have nothing to do with what makes an individual a winner, they are a TEAM accomplishment.

Dope video

I really missed your videos

Bron learned to win in Miami because before that, he had a tendency to disappear during crucial games, especially in the fourth quarter. During the 2012 Finals, he finally managed to get over that. He didn't shrink in the clutch and made key plays down the stretch. So yes, he learned to win in Miami.

@DemonKing-oi4jd

3 жыл бұрын

This is a true statement. Lost in 2004 and 2006, lost in 2007, lost in 2011... He went to Miami to learn how to be professional and win instead of getting by on talent and hype. Normal basketball fans know these simple concepts.

@Poopopotamusgaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@DemonKing-oi4jd You both are actual morons. He was winning games and playoff series before he went to Miami, thats his point! Lebron not winning a finals before Miami ≠ Lebron not knowing “how to win” before Miami. The entire idea of “learning to win”, is absolutely ridiculous and only purported by clear casuals like yourselves LMFAO

@Console-gamer

3 жыл бұрын

@@Poopopotamusgaming Classy response calling someone you disagree but know nothing about as a moron. Were you aware that Lebron had difficulty winning back then? There were jokes about asking him for change to a dollar, but he'd give only three quarters. He finally conquered that hill at Miami. I'm not going to stoop to your level though. Just stating a reminder of what it was like for James back then

@clumsybanana6524

3 жыл бұрын

Well I mean Russel Westbrook did kinda f up that run for okc and they were young also durant passed on shots he should've taken and was way to passive. Also James harden at that time was not experienced enough to be a dominant scoring guard he should have been. If he came off the bench and dropped 25 30 instead of 18 22 with 8 assists it would have been a different story

@Ben-hl5mu

2 жыл бұрын

@@Poopopotamusgaming Thank you for stating the obvious. Lebron on team with 2 other perennial all-stars = championships, whereas Lebron on Cavs team with no other all-stars and that was a 17 win team before he came and a 19 win team after he left = 0 championships. For people paying attention, Lebron played just as good before coming to Miami as he did in Miami, what changed was the team he had around him. Same with Jordan, Kobe, and countless other greats that went from not winning rings on a bad team to winning rings on a good team.

BE is back with another banger!

Lebron Armstrong proved that leaving a staked team to an even more staked team has destroyed the nba along with his work politics. Didn’t watch one game of the finals.

@arthasmenethil4297

3 жыл бұрын

Itinerant_Chuck completes joke, they should have swept them. And this guy has the nerve to make a Lebron killed the rings debate. When he didn’t even make the playoffs before AD came to the lakers, and all post season he played a bunch of mediocre teams. Maybe in baseball where you need top tier pitching, and a good overall team. Or football where their are 53 players on a team. Rings matter in the nba where you can’t win unless you have a top 5 player. The only exception is the 2004 pistons.

@Blunder03

3 жыл бұрын

Itinerant_Chuck He didn’t have to face Kawhi & Giannis because LeBron beat the teams that beat them. What a weak argument.

@Blunder03

3 жыл бұрын

Arthas Menethil Mediocre teams? Blazers aren’t a great team but they have the 2nd best point guard in the game. Rockets have an all-nba backcourt. Nuggets have a the best center in basketball and Murray who boomed and is looking like a perennial all-star. Heat have two all stars and a great system. I’m not saying these are all time great teams that should of won, but far from mediocre.

@arthasmenethil4297

3 жыл бұрын

OG A blazers team with no playbook except for Dame and CJ ISO, a Rockets team with two of the lowest IQ players in the NBA and no real offensive playbook other than 3 or layup. A Nuggets team with a very good center(Embiid is the best) and a good up and coming point guard. Against a team with AD, Lebron(in that order) and really good role players. And possibly the worst team to get to the finals with a hurt Bam and No Goran. This finals was a joke, no one watched it including myself due to that and the NBA to push their far left political agenda lead by chairman Lebron.

@Blunder03

3 жыл бұрын

Arthas Menethil "BLM" & "Vote" is far left now lmao. Sounds like your discrediting him because your views don’t align with his. If he said go Trump would you be singing a different tune?

Beautiful. I would like to apologized to you, Sir. For a very long time, I thought you were a LeBron hater, but you proved me wrong. Respect!

Bruh why i get notifications for this 3 days late??

How?

People come here, dont watch the video or watch it and ignore the actual points he's making and just decide to hate. Cool

@LolzerXD2014

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@anthonycelestin3559

3 жыл бұрын

This guy contradicts himself. First he said Lebron style of play wasn’t a winning style back in 2017 & 2018 but now he saying Lebron was always a winner & ask should he get more credit as a winner cause he was in a bad team. I think ball dominant players not being able to play with others is a false narrative. Harden is more ball dominant & shoots the ball way more than Lebron with less efficiency & was able to play wit Westbrook who averaged 27 despite Harden averaging 34 PPG, it’s just that Russ was terrible in the playoffs & that’s why they flamed out. I think high usuage that shoot the ball a lot & score get unfairly judged. Warriors motion offense is overrated cause teams know how to gameplan & scheme against that wit teams like the Rockets switching on every offball screen & teams like the Raptors neutralizing Curry with Box & 1 defensive schemes. You need isolation plays where you go 1 on 1 & shoot a high volume in order to win

@showtimesportsmedia6906

3 жыл бұрын

@@anthonycelestin3559 he said it wasn’t a winning style to maximize winning more chips then he actually had during the time that specific video came out.

Month 7 waiting for Chronicles of Judah144 to upload.

@judahmourneth3211

3 жыл бұрын

That’s my brother all day everyday, but he was vouching for kawhi hard this year!!!

@GDB.PRODUCTION

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly did he leave KZread?

@judahmourneth3211

3 жыл бұрын

Gavin Brown he’s on patreon

@yomammasboo713

3 жыл бұрын

Judah Mourneth lol I know he was always high on him😂

@GDB.PRODUCTION

3 жыл бұрын

Judah Mourneth I know he’s on patreon but I’m really wondering when he will return to KZread because I would love to hear his perspective on these NBA Playoffs

Jordan has more than just rings. Compare the accolades 🔥

@martinusmcbeth4775

3 жыл бұрын

They'd rather argue that rings don't matter to distract from the fact that MJ still has a whole Kevin Durant career gap between him and Lebron when it comes to accolades

@fury_021

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinusmcbeth4775 They tend to change the narrative so drastically to make LeBron look better. For example I saw a video in KZread in which he said once rings don't matter but when LeBron won his fourth ring he told the goat debate is cemented. It's funny how these guys bend reality and facts.

Great analysis

How much of this championship run was won by endless complaining to the refs?

@3nim3nimabl3

3 жыл бұрын

You think they won because Lebron complained enough lmao casual nba fan right here

@nocuh

3 жыл бұрын

Jerry Cole why try to flex on me for posting a question you’re too scared to ask or answer honestly?

@jadenangell615

3 жыл бұрын

@@nocuh You're acting like Lebron controls the refs calls 💀

@nocuh

3 жыл бұрын

Jaden Angell you’re acting like Lebron wouldn’t have been T’d up after every call he didn’t like if this series was played in 2012 with David Stern running the op

So 4 is equal to 6 now?

@dontworryaboutit8947

3 жыл бұрын

Darren Gordon-Hill so winning 6 championships for a team in a team sport that never even had hopes of a deep playoff birth let alone a championship until Michael Jordan got there is somehow not as good as running to a new team when the going gets tough😂

@charles9489

3 жыл бұрын

@@dontworryaboutit8947 actually they(the bulls) didn't have a "deep" playoff run till Pipen matured. So I guess Pipen is the Greatest!!

@trowabarton321

3 жыл бұрын

@@charles9489 and even then Pippen lost in the second round

@charles9489

3 жыл бұрын

@@trowabarton321 Pipen made the conference finals with the trailblazers in the west

@dontworryaboutit8947

3 жыл бұрын

Radomir I said they never had hopes 😂

If the argument is close, championships should be used. Also you have to look at performance in the finals

LeBron put an end to the ring argument by chasing rings lol LeBron himself said “I want my damn respect”. But yeah, it’s about teams.

@geoffreycarter6627

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@MistahUnknown

2 жыл бұрын

@Him He said that he wanted his damn respect because people like Skip Bayless were saying that he was "LeWashed King" and only came to Los Angeles to star in movies. Along with that, Do you not know the level of disrespect he was getting that whole year? Instead, he tied AD for most PPG in that playoffs (on 56 percent scoring), He had the most rebounds per game in that playoffs, He had the most assists per game in that playoffs, and he tied rondo for the most steals per game in that playoffs.

Wow all these Jordan fans so butthurt after seeing "Lebron" and "rings" in the same sentence. Not once did he even compare Lebron and Jordan in this video. Not everything has to be "MJ vs Lebron".

I respectfully disagree with you in this video. No doubt Lebron is an all time great but when you compare elite players you have to look at winning and losing. Yes basketball is a team game and you need other great players but at the end you need a player to close it out. There’s a reason Lebron has always won FMVP he’s been the main reason his team gets to and wins the finals. Excluding the 07 And 2018 Cavs where he had to carry a bunch of YMCA players through the playoffs Lebron has always had help going into the finals. Dwade & bosh heat Kyrie & Love Cavs and this year with AD. So making the finals argument is fair when you look a superstar player having a championship level team and they don’t win the championship

@aggiepridegreen3715

3 жыл бұрын

And as for you saying “the media narrative he had to learn how to win in Miami” that is true he did and it’s not an insult. Jordan had to learn how to win. When Phil Jackson came to the bulls he taught MJ how to trust his teammates and stop trying to do everything himself. Every great player has to learn how to win. It’s apart of basketball I.Q. It’s what separates a player like Steph Curry from Westbrook. You can win all these awards and scoring titles but how does it translate to team success. Lebron went from high school to a Cavalier team with no history of winning, no elite coaching, and no supporting cast. He took that team to finals and got swept and year before he went to Miami he flamed out against the Celtics. He joined a heat team with Dwade a player who had already won a championship and Pat Riley one of the greatest coaches ever. Lebron learned from them how to be a championship level leader and what it takes to win. It’s not a insult to say he had to go to Miami to learn how to win all great players have to go through that process

@tiktokexposed898

3 жыл бұрын

No matter how you look at it making the finals 8 times in a row is impressive. Theres a reason nobodies done it since Bills Russel in the 60s. Because Lebron is that great. The fact that hes had to carry so many trash teams to success speaks even more to his dominance

@MrBakerman58

3 жыл бұрын

Sergio Next it’s impressive but since lebron people count second place a lot more it’s about winning I rather have 6 rings undefeated than 4-8 just saying no disrespect brons still I’m my top 3

@Chocolouf

3 жыл бұрын

@@tiktokexposed898 It's not impressive at all, he purposely jump the ship, so he can pick and chose the best situation for himself. Everybody seem to forget back in the Jordan era, 6-years contracts were in place, so management had the power, not the players who couldn't be diva and left their team hanging when the situation was tough. Hence why players like Drexler and Barkley teamed-up too late in their career.

@BasketballExamined

3 жыл бұрын

1. *when you compare elite players you have to look at winning and losing* Ok, so the Cavs losing the 2007 Finals counts against Lebron? How about 2015 when the Cavs were missing Love and Irving? 2017 and 2018 against the KD Warriors? You honestly think they had a chance then? 2. *basketball is a team game and you need other great players but at the end you need a player to close it out* Again, basketball is a "team game", a player can't close anything out if the team he's on - doesn't get close in the first place. Please tell me how Lebron was supposed to close any of the 2014 Finals game when the Heat were getting blown off the floor by a record margin? 3. *Lebron has always had help going into the finals* Not in 2007, 2015 and 2018. Also, having help becomes irrelevant if the opposing team has "more" help (2014 Spurs, 2017 Warriors). 4. *Jordan had to learn how to win* What year? Please be specific. 5. *Lebron learned from them how to be a championship level leader and what it takes to win* Ok, so did Garnett only learn how to win in 07? Drexler in 95? Jordan in 91? Malone in 83? 6. *It’s not a insult to say he had to go to Miami to learn how to win all great players have to go through that process* Did Magic Johnson have to go through that process (won his Rookie year)? Bird (Year 2)? How about Duncan (Year 2)? Kareem (Year 2)? Russell (Rookie)? With all due respect (and I mean that), all you're doing is regurgitating the same talking points that ESPN and FS1 spews out, think for yourself and stop falling for the media narratives.

great work ethics bro! this is a fast ass edit man

damn where have you been

The ring argument is used as a finisher of sorts. If players are comparable through stats and individual accolades alone but one can't be discerned as greater then rings and championship success has to be brought into the discussion. It can tip the scales one way especially if both have many appearances but one is more successful.

This championship that lebron won was by far the easiest in his entire career ever. The Miami Heat were just too small for the lakers. I just hate people that just disregard Anthony Davies as if he wasn’t the biggest reason why lebron even got there. The reason why lebron didn’t even make the playoffs last year wasn’t because he didn’t have a team it was because he needs superstars to win. I mean, if you are the BEST player to EVER touch the ball you should have the ability to lead your team to the finals and win no matter the roaster.

100% - Ask yourself if you'd view LeBron as a lesser player than you do now if AD didn't join the lakers this year.

First, i love your videos. 2nd, but this video is flawed. The Heat should've never lost to the Mavs or Spurs, that's what's damaging to Lebron's legacy. And then you add all the other finals losses.

@cicjose6016

3 жыл бұрын

that 2014 Spurs team was better than the Miami team was with a young superstar who was in the top 5 players both sides of the ball, in no way were the Heat favourites to win, Wade's body was done by then and 2 years into the 5 year contract Bosh had life threatening injuries, the 2011 Mavericks weren't favourites sure, but the Mavs defended the 3 better than ANY Miami Heat team has ever done under Spolestra and they shot 65% from 3 in the series when shots were contested by a defender within 3 feet of the shooter, you can say thats just excuses but when you produce results in a 7 game series that are above average in the regular season, thats just unlucky to come up against what would be normally considered unsustainable production

@trowabarton321

3 жыл бұрын

@@cicjose6016 Kawhi wasn't a young superstar yet, he was a role player at the time when he won finals MVP and that's when he broke out. He was pretty much 3 and D. Miami was slightly more talented than Sam Antonio, SA just played team ball. That's all that happened, largest margin of defeat in finals history at the time.

@shonensaiyan

3 жыл бұрын

@@trowabarton321 logic

@Ben-hl5mu

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that losing to the Mavs was an upset, albeit the Mavs played very well, but stop making it seem like the Spurs weren't a great team when they beat Miami. That Spurs team won 4 championships with Duncan and were among the best rosters in the modern era. They also beat Kobe and Shaq and a Lakers squad who had recently went 16-1 in the playoffs.

The one thing that has hurt Lebron is his playstyle because of how ball dominant he is if he played in more of a team system like the spurs I think he would have more rings

@thegoat2874

3 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@Kage-jk4pj

3 жыл бұрын

If golden state wasn't so good and then get durant on top of that. He would have more rings.

@GDB.PRODUCTION

3 жыл бұрын

Kage 777 I’m talking in general not just beating golden state

@howudoingjonathan

3 жыл бұрын

I think he’s the modern day version of wilt chamberlain. He is so dominant on the floor that he puts up these crazy numbers, but ironically it’s his dominance that failed him multiple times in the finals against teams like the Spurs and the Warriors. Unlike Bron-centric offensive system, San Antonio Spurs and the Golden State Warriors don’t rely on one player to win games. They play with a system and within that structure players have options.

@trowabarton321

3 жыл бұрын

He had 2 chances to go to coach Pop. Chose not to cause Pop wouldn't let him control the offense. Hence his stats will take a dip, and he will never sacrifice how stats

Rings is not an argument. Its the GOAL. The ONLY GOAL. Stats is what you get while trying to get rings. Players sacrifice stats for wins. Players tell you after every game that the most important thing is the WIN. Players have great stats and leave their teams to WIN. People that argue against rings use Bill Russsll as a copp out without doing any comparison AT ALL. Lets see... Bill Russell play in a league of 8 to 15 teams and played 25 rounds of playoffs to win 11 rings while Jordan played 24 rounds to get 6 rings. Then they wanna use the Robert Horry argument as if theybdont know a star from a role player. SMH...

I don’t agree with you at all, but the video was still good.

Loooooovvvveee this video!!

Did this man said Kobe let the SAME lakers to nba finals?

Overall ring count matters to varying degrees to some more than others when looking at it subjectively, but what's objectively true is how much one player impacts their team's success over others up to and including winning championships.

LeBron fans steady always moving the goalposts lol

This also applies to role players. Teams every year overpay role players due to them being on a championship team. When Kyle Kuzma becomes a free agent, his salary will be much higher than it should be due to him winning a championship. He sucked the whole playoffs but he'll be classified as a "winning player" even though he should be considered an inconsistent role player who doesn't excel in any area.

6 > 4

Lowest rated finals in NBA history!?!?!?!

You act like the media hasn't praised Lebron

if the ring argument is flawed since that depends on teams, there's also no reason to rank players in any circumstance

@jadenangell615

3 жыл бұрын

How? That makes no sense

@billthegoatrussell6608

3 жыл бұрын

There honestly isn't since its not 1 on 1.

@1vaultdweller

3 жыл бұрын

There are team-based trophies like titles and there are player-based trophies like All-NBA selections and stat leaders. Duh

@BrianErwin

3 жыл бұрын

@@1vaultdweller all nba and mvp are usually awarded based on your team's performance. even a scoring champion could have benefited from great picks, a great playmaker and great box outs from his teammates.. i don't think the ring argument is flawed; i'm just saying if you choose that line of reasoning, you pretty much can't make a case for an individual GOAT

@1vaultdweller

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianErwin Thats reaching. Player individual stats tend to decrease when their teams improve talentwise. Curry's scoring outcome decreased when Durant joined Warriors yet he won titles easier with him

Cheapest ring in nba history. Didn't meet any great teams. The Rockets are aan AAU team who live and die by three with a SF as their center. The Lakers would've been a WCF team without LeBron regadless.

@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@billthegoatrussell6608

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah because AD won championships before he joined LeBron.

How he ended the ring argument when he still is 4-6 ? Still got a loser record.

@4inchesofpleasure

3 жыл бұрын

4-6 is such a retarded argument. In your mind, did Giannis have a better postseason than Jimmy Butler? Was it better that LeBron dragged scrubs to the Finals in 2007, or would it have been better if he had been eliminated in the first round like MJ did many times early in his career?

Basketball examined is always on point!

Facts!’

Hold up, a pro lebron video by basketball explained

@urbaindelva7869

3 жыл бұрын

This is not a pro LeBron video

Here we go again with this shit 😂🤦🏿‍♂️

Different sport but Tom Brady !

6/6 > 4/10

*asterisk

Rings should only matter if the player was the best or second best player on the team. This means they won fmvp or someone like Curry, Kobe, AD

@Ben-hl5mu

2 жыл бұрын

Still a dumb argument. You can be the best player on a team, but still have a good team around you. Likewise you can be the best player, but be playing on a terrible team. In the first case you can win titles, in the second case probably not. How is that on that player?

Don't ever change your background music

AD LEAD THAT TEAM U SPEAKING FALSE FACT'S

@Mckylan

3 жыл бұрын

Its so funny how lebron haters use the dumbest logic. So you guys say AD carried lebron because he led in every stat besides assists in the regular season. But lebron in the finals never had a 15 point game and he averaged better numbers than AD. Lebron averaged 29 11 and 8 on 59%. While AD was 25 11 on 55%. Lebron never got carried by AD and AD mever got carried by Lebron. They both need each other. AD missed the playoffs and never won u til lebron and lebron until AD came he missed the playoffs too. And now they have a better team and need each other.

@macphat8551

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mckylan HE HAD A 8 POINT GAME IN THE FINAL'S BEFORE AD 15 IS WAY BETTER THAN THAT

@fury_021

3 жыл бұрын

@@GD-ue4ty 2011 finals

@CopycatNinja875

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron and AD had an equally significant role in the Lakers title run

Does he tho?

@TDMediaGroup

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@jadenangell615

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

LOL You can barely count this year considering the circumstances. Lebron has always needed a superteam to win, and still lost more times than won. If we gonna use the rings argument, then you can't forget how many Finals he lost in.

@von1626

3 жыл бұрын

Every nba player needed some type of great team to win wtf?and that cavs wasn’t no super team come on now and same goes for lakers they just had a lot of vets who were experienced

@jasonmoukala8909

3 жыл бұрын

What? This lakers team was not a superteam. Also look at the context of his losses. In 2007 and 2018 he had a shitty supporting cast against warriors and spurs dynasties. In 2014, wade and bosh were dealing with injuries causing them to only average like 14ppg on inefficient percentages. In 2015, love and Irving were injured.

@von1626

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonmoukala8909 Ik bro just got bad luck it’s crazy

@Ben-hl5mu

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonmoukala8909 The Lakers were a very good team all 5 times they won with Kobe, and they always had other All-Stars. Kobe got swept in the first round of the playoffs when he didn't have all-stars around him.

Your are hands down the best NBA KZreadr.

7:10 Yes, I agree with that

What up

LeBron James said himself that he learn to win from Wade in Miami. Not the “main stream media“. If anything it’s the media that pumps him up artificially.

Whoa, I’m shocked, 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

idk that you posted a video on 2020 man all the old heads will not be happy with this video lmao,

That maybe true but we can't just dismiss rings as team accomplishments when ranking players imo because players like Karl Malone Patrick Ewing John Stockton and others would be higher on people's all time debates if the won more rings. Same goes for Dwade and harden, I'm not saying that rings are a sole arguming pole but rings when ranking players should carry weight in these conversations

@emmapeel38

3 жыл бұрын

DWade?

@jedibro95

3 жыл бұрын

@@emmapeel38 as in the debate between them

HE STILL 4/6 IN THE FINAL'S WITH A LOSER RECORD AND HE HAVE ALL THE LEAGUE BEST PLAYER'S ON HIS TEAM

@saad1008

3 жыл бұрын

Keep crying it's a good stress reliever

@cjalldayonetrey7914

3 жыл бұрын

🤥😆😁😆

@jaydag24

3 жыл бұрын

This is untrue. All the best? Maybe 1 of the best. By your logic Lebron should've find a way to lose before the Finals to protect that record huh. You sound like a clown.

People called MJ "The GOAT" when he had 3 rings and went to play baseball. Same amount as Larry Bird, 2 fewer than Magic Johnson. It was engraved on the statue outside of The United Center when they opened the place. So ring count can't be the end all.

@deeessex11

3 жыл бұрын

Winning a NBA Championship is the reason they play other Than the money we can't keep acting like not winning is winning.

@webslinger4733

3 жыл бұрын

They called him the goat because that 3rd ring was the third CONSECUTIVE ring. Hadn’t been done since Bill Russell’s Celtics. And even then Bill Russell had Hall of Fame-talent teammates. Jordan had none. Only ignorant ppl think rings is the end all/be all argument. It isn’t, but let’s not act like it doesn’t hold a lot of weight.

@yourhandsomestep-dad2669

3 жыл бұрын

DJ White did you just say Jordan had no HOF teammates during his first 3peat?

@webslinger4733

3 жыл бұрын

Your Handsome Step-Dad They’re in the HOF because of their rings. Talent wise nobody was a HOF other than Jordan.

@tiktokexposed898

3 жыл бұрын

@@webslinger4733 Lol your lying to yourself to boost Jordan. Scottie pippen is a HOF and a top 50 player of all time

I always believed winning championships was part of the criteria in GOAT status because the better you are the better your chances are of winning. Not the only metric but at least I believed rings should hold some weight. But you may have swayed my opinion. Only question is, if rings shouldn’t be an argument in determining the best all time. What should the criteria be when we compare players against each other?

@von1626

3 жыл бұрын

Era,stats,eye test,dominance and rings should still be here cause at then of the day you still won the championship we can’t ignore that’s what it’s about but we have to look at the circumstance like if u pull a KD then fuck no but if u really try to build a team and you win then it’s going on your argument no matter what

Lebron puts an end to the ring argument by......winning a ring?

Idk 6 is better than 4