“Peace Sells,” But Who’s Buying This Book? Lol.

@jeinfimate2079

2 жыл бұрын

@Dmitry9000YT book sells,but who's buying this peace?

@marshallskull6132

2 жыл бұрын

What you do think i am.broke hu

@TrueBeliever82

2 жыл бұрын

I did, unfortunately 😀 back in the 90's

@rihaakuruthellapetty1784

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeinfimate2079 sell's books but who's buying peace

@talbottsands3560

2 жыл бұрын

"Whadya mean I can't write a tab book? I play guitar when I have to."

I feel like Mike has found a series that won't get repetitive or boring.

@liquidcancer4573

2 жыл бұрын

Are you being sarcastic or nah?

@caleb875

2 жыл бұрын

As if his others did :)

@ericbrewerguitar1499

2 жыл бұрын

Having taught guitar for a living for the last 15 years I’m fkin loving this series, very relatable lol

@redlikegreenday4825

2 жыл бұрын

@@liquidcancer4573 nah, every video in this series so far is really enjoyable

@PlasticCogLiquid

2 жыл бұрын

Right, I love these, those stupid tab books ruined my early guitar years. I thought I just wasn't good enough at the time, but they were actually tabbing impossible to play shit half the time. As a teenager I thought those "official" tab books were 100 percent correct, straight from the band to the paper.

The only explanation is the quality control was done by Lars Ulrich

@8ballman749

2 жыл бұрын

dammit LARS!

@marvintimke3978

2 жыл бұрын

He actually listened to peace sells, when it came out. It easily became one of his favourite albums.

@dylanadams1455

2 жыл бұрын

why? Is there no bass?

@torrentthom4734

2 жыл бұрын

shhh, he's gonna want his royalties.

@ollie1695

2 жыл бұрын

Peace sells but lars litigates

The people who made these must still be alive. Would be amazing to get them to talk about these.

@Ater_Swe

2 жыл бұрын

A less known fact, they all have died of shame.

@Pittaz

2 жыл бұрын

“We just sat down and guessed”

@judgegroovyman

2 жыл бұрын

I would love that and this channel has enough cred to get an interview like that. I bet deadlines were impossible and budgets were tight.

@tonygunkster

2 жыл бұрын

@@judgegroovyman that's my best guess too.. they were probably given insane deadlines and just said screw it

@TheArtofGuitar

2 жыл бұрын

I"ll try but I doubt they'll agree to an interview. .;)

Peace sells but who's tabbing

@joecoolgamin7704

2 жыл бұрын

Nice one 😂

It's nice they let a deaf person write the tab for these songs.

At 6:19 had me actually bust out laughing 😂 3rd and 12th fretted chord! 😂 the guys who wrote this book had to be joking!

I think the person who transcribed this said, “so far, so good, so what.”

@drfabriciomnogueira

6 ай бұрын

😂

Who hired these hacks to make these books? And who hired the guys who hired the hacks? Like, the publishing industry you wouldn't think would be easy to get into, but apparently it's run by completely incompetent idiots.

@thrash1337

2 жыл бұрын

So many companies in so many industries are run this way it's actually crazy. When you think about starting a business remember that most of your competition is kinda bad. Just don't become bad competition yourself lol.

@TheTundraTerror

2 жыл бұрын

If it had to guess, 80%+ of the budget for these things end up going to licensing.

@Snavels

2 жыл бұрын

It's guys who don't play guitar (probably piano) who likely write these books. They don't know the actually know the player limitations, which is unacceptable because I'm not even a full professional, and the first things I (and others) did after learning theory, is the limitations of the instruments we write for.

@ollie1695

2 жыл бұрын

In all fairness it must be tough to find people who can figure out how to properly play this super niche song

@mavrick45

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheTundraTerror 99% lol

One thing the younger guys don’t know when critiquing these tabs, is how hard it was to actually hear these parts back in the day. With cassettes and vinyls you couldn’t really rewind the tape/vinyl that much. It was hard to find the right spot and the cassettes and vinyls broke down if you looped a part too many times. Also the sound systems and headphones were more primitive.

@g.bontempi691

2 жыл бұрын

Even when they get the notes right the fingerings are awkward af, noone would play it like that. No excuses.

@JarkkoKokkonen

2 жыл бұрын

@@g.bontempi691 Yeah, I'm not trying to defend them. Just trying to paint the picture of how it was back then. I think the notators wrote the notes in standard notation, and whoever translated them to typed tabs messed up the fingerings.

@mike04574

2 жыл бұрын

That’s why people spent more money on music and systems

@Whiteyy191

2 жыл бұрын

In the 90s I had a Sony discman with an A-B repeat function for this purpose 😅

@Allthrashedout.

2 жыл бұрын

Hard for hacks, i had a friend who could transcribe anything easily.. of course he went on to be famous.. they still assholes no matter how u look at it .. its just a con these book cost a lot.. I was scammed many a time…it’s not even the money it’s the fact that it discourages u ..

Chris Poland is a bad boy. His legato was so sick on those couple albums (and he was ripping lines that smoothly on a ton of smack, somehow). This attempt at a transcription probably turned a whole generation of players off from learning Megadeth songs lol

Sometimes I wonder if the guys transcribing the tabs didn't like metal. Knowing that a young guitarist aspiring to play these intricate guitar solos and riffs, are going to read tab because they don't know the theory. Laughing the whole time.

you should record the full song playing this scuffed tab and just upload it as "PEACE SELLS COVER"

@joecoolgamin7704

2 жыл бұрын

That’s would he hilarious 🤣

@bkpickell

2 жыл бұрын

And put it in a mix

@justinhayes2194

2 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking that, imagine playing this whole album at a show, but making the announcement that your playing all the songs from the "tab book" which is completely wrong! That would be great!!

Really loving this series and man… nice tone u got going there!!

I love this series so much, I hope it goes on for a long time 😁

Thank you. Peace sells is one of the greatest metal/thrash songs ever. I was 14 or 15 when it came out,I'm now 50yrs old. It still has the same impact it did the first time I heard it.

Two of my favourite tab books is Kiko Loureiro’s open source and no gravity, I’ve only got one or two songs into each, but after seeing all these videos of incorrect transcribing, I trust the Kiko ones because I know Kiko himself worked closely with Levi clay on those song books

When you said that 2 to eight stretch you were NOT wrong, first saw that part on the community post you made before releasing this video and I had my guitar in hand at the time so I tried it and holy shit my nerves made it very clear that they did not like that

Mike, you should add a spin off to this series, entitled “where are they now?” Where you interview the people responsible for these awful official tab books. Ask them what they used to to come to their conclusions, were they up against an impossible deadline, just what happened?!

I'm glad you're doing these videos because I remember really well trying to play along with the GnR tab book back in the early 90's. I would think, either I suck, or these are wrong. Because some of them just didn't sound right or were too hard to play.

Love the part around the 4:30 mark making use of melancholies eye roll. Great stuff.

A lot of the impossible fingering looks like the auto-tab conversion you get in some notation software. You start with the classic notation and the software just converts the pitches into TAB. Then you'd usually correct that manually - or you end of with these stretches :D

I appreciate you making these videos. It will help a lot beginners to avoid these pitfalls and instead learn by ear 🙂

Now you’re just teasing me! 😜 Loved to hear some Poland legato, and that Mockingbird is a beast 🤘🤘

The laughs sounds for your shirt sticker blunder is always a treat. Halarious!

Oh man I remember wanting that tab book so bad from my local music store but 13 year old me didn't have the $24.95 to make it happen. 25 years later I realize it was a blessing.

Shout out for the Mellon Collie T-Shirt. One of the greatest albums ever and the soundtrack to my 16th year on the planet back in 95-96. And the Atari joystick is class.

I LOVE these bad tab book videos. Makes me wanna write a bad tab book on my own...

I'm loving this series Mike!

mike i love this series! and also... you should have left the sticker!

😆 love it dude this series is so entertaining and relatable!

This series has been a real eye opener on why I own a 2 ft stack of guitar magazines and only 4 tab books

LMAO, can't believe you can't do that 10/12/3 chord stretch!!! 😂 I remember in one the guitar mags (long long ago), they showed some dude with a long finger extension spanning 8-10 frets!!! Hindsight is 20/20, but would have been cool to have someone in the studios with these rockstars filming/documenting how they play the songs. Would benefit the masses and maybe themselves when they revisit old material!

Thank you for content, Mike!

Cannot wait to hear from SFSGSW. My absolute favorite Megadeth album, and hugely underrated.

@armondtanz

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Into lungs of hell 502 In my darkest hour Hook in mouth.... Absolute gems.

@blakkno666

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, everyone goes on about Rust in Peace but I got bored of that one Where So far is still a regular listen... And I bought it when it came out 33 years ago! 🤘😃

@the_motherfucker

2 жыл бұрын

@@armondtanz No Set The World Afire?

@NateS917

2 жыл бұрын

@@blakkno666 ya know whats even more underrated? KIMBABIG

@PeterJohnson76

2 жыл бұрын

@@armondtanz and Mary Jane

Really awesome video man, thanks for breaking these down, I love the way Mustaine plays

I own a good number of tab books but check KZread more often because of this series. Thanks Mike!

Great stuff, Mike! Minnesota strong. Ellefson is from MN. I was more proud of that fact before....well....just before.

Finally! A tab book I don't own! How about the Van Halen 1,1984 and 5150 books next? Or the Ozzy Osbourne ,Blizzard of Oz, and the Diary Of a Madman books?

Idk if I can ever trust a tab book after these

@sepultura7771

2 жыл бұрын

No I think it is just a metal thing,Because I have the Doors,Led Zeppelin, and the Beatles , and those are pretty much on point, but with these old metal albums, it’s almost like they didn’t even try

@anpleidhceeireannach9498

2 жыл бұрын

The newer tab books are better than these old ones

@jedrusnowak3317

2 жыл бұрын

u should not eve if not this

I love these vids. Quick question, where do you order these old tab books? I have some old ones (actually good ones) that are beat up and would like to replace them. Thanks.

You seem to be going through all the tab books I bought, and still have! No wonder I lost faith in my own ability, we were so naive back then. I was so new to guitar and just assumed as these were 'official' they would be correct.

I seen the Smashing Pumpkins for that tour back in the day, Garbage opened. It was a great show at the San Jose Arena.

My favorite riff is the Black Friday "Killer, intruder, homicidal man" verse riff. I also really like both Poland solos in that song.

keep up the great videos man 👍

Who made these horrible tabs? I'd really love to see the process. Why it always sounds like if a beginner tried to learn a song by ear, put it on paper and someone without any knowledge about the stuff just published it....

At least they didn’t misspell it on the cover as ‘Piece Cells’. So far, so good…..so wrong!

@user-gk2iv8sj3f

2 жыл бұрын

*Peace

@lunahetfield

2 жыл бұрын

Piece Cells.... bot how's Brian by hegafeth

Thanks for this. I’ve been playing guitar for over 30 years and bought many of these tab books back in the day. I used to get so frustrated because I often couldn’t get the songs to sound right. Later on I realised that I often over complicated my playing. I’d watch somebody else play a piece and it would sound better yet their playing seemed simplified. I blame my own naivety and reliance on these tab books for this. I’d be interested to know what you think of the Ozzy Osborn Randy Rhodes Tribute tab book if you’ve looked at that one.

Two things, first that guitar is amazing!! Next, when I was 14, in ‘94-‘95, my best friend had those mega/Metallica books, when I first started I tried learning by borrowing them.. I couldn’t make anything sound right. This took 2 years from my playing. I thought that some could, some could not. Eventually I learned by ear… and used these books as wall decorations… These books, the newbie gear starter pack of the time, the awful 10w with 6” speaker… cost nearly $600 books and all, stole 2 years from me. Thinking I just couldn’t do it. Nothing sounded right. Two years later, a friend helped me with a setup, another friend loaned me a digitech processor, and my ear garnered me a sound I could deal with. This lead to 4 years of playing with headphones that changed my life. I bought my 8 year old a mini strat, fixed it up, a boss katana mk2 50w, and he is more capable than I was 3 years in… The 16 year old me, playing that fixed up guitar, digitech processor, cranked headphones, playing the scorpions: the zoo whitesnake: crying in the rain I finally felt it. Then I started trying what was to me crazy hard stuff Megadeth and Metallica. Come to find out megadeth was infinitely more difficult. To me Poland stuff was harder to learn by ear than Friedman’s. Today I own 8 guitars, 5 heads, a rack full of gear, like 20 pedals. Those stupid books, and the garbage newbie gear nearly derailed me.

Very good job Brother 🤘🤘🎸🎸

man loving this series. This is hilarious and brings childhood memories

I just bought that shirt as well lol, I found it weird when I saw you wearing it during the Livestream while I was wearing it

Nice MCIS shirt. Speaking of, any plans to do an SP tab book review? I remember looking through some of them back in the day (probably SD/MCIS) & going "wtf" just at the sheer layout- like, some places where they'd have 4-6 guitar parts written, but then other parts where huge chunks just seemed to be missing? Or am I just remembering wrong? XD

This series are absolutely amazing!

Yo I’m learning peace sells with my guitar teacher

@308media74

2 жыл бұрын

Now you'll know if he's any good 👍

That tone is like the first Death Angel album

I love these videos not only because they are entertaining but I also realise these songs are far easier to play than I initially thought.

That pumpkins t-shirt is so cool

Loving this series.

You have opened my eyes and my ears. These books are hit or miss.

This series is eye opening... I learned everything from tab and always wondered why I couldn't make it sound like the album.... Had no idea that official tab would be wrong.. I even remember downloading tabs for books i got rid of and seeing they were so different that I just didn't try them cause i thought they were wrong... i mean maybe they were but probably not as wrong as some of the books i used.

Looking back its pretty clear that a lot of these tab books were transcribed by people that either did not listen to this type of music or actually play guitar. Chris is a great guitar player. That first Damn the Machine LP is a real gem.

I really dig this series a lot! I got the tab book for SP Siamese Dream when I was a beginner and it seemed to be wonky af. I don't know if I just sucked so much or if the tab was just rubbish. Unfortunately I don't have it anymore so perhaps I'll get another one and find out.

Omg these vids are the best!

I like how you chose the bc rich for this. Thats good attention to detail haha

This series is gold!

6:01 - That is some hilarious shit right there. Just imagine them trying to play those notes live.

NICE!! Mellon collie era SP shirt🤘. I got the billy corgan long sleeve zero shirt it was AWESOME. But that was 2007 and I'm now to big cant fit me 😥. The mockingbird was always a nice guitar to me,, but never liked the color. But I love your SG type color on it

DO A PART 2 PLEASEEEEE!!!

4:16 had me dying 🤣 I need to go cleanse my brain

thanks for bringing this to light.. i grew up in the 80s and i also looked at the tabs as gospel.. i am 47 now, and i realize how bad some of the tabs were and inaccurate- i have many of the old mags still.. i feel vindicated in a way now becuase i can say, i couldnt play these things back in the days not only becuase of lack of experience but becuase the tabs were messed up. :P

Thank you dude I was about to but one of those which is EVH and pantera and iron maiden

I bought a guitar magazine in the 90s that included transcriptions for the entire vocal parts along with the guitar transcriptions. And this was for songs from bands like Slayer, Sepultura, and Napalm Death! I have no idea why they thought that was necessary!

I love this series! As a pianist, I can relate. Many of the piano sheet music is usually just as inaccurate.

That' second to eighht fret stretch looks like something you would see on Songster or other user submitted tab sites on a regular basis.

First song ever learn on guitar & a friend made it easy for my to learn .

you should do a gear review on your Jackson

I just bought that shirt at target about a week ago!

I've gone out a few times wearing a new shirt with the sticker still on it. You should sell stickers with Art Of Guitar on them so we can wear them on our shirts!

Have you ever looked at the Hal Leonard books with play along tracks I know they have Motley Crue, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and several other guitar books with play along tracks

me: pfft, sounded like Korn him: sounds more like a Korn riff oh my

I remember back in the day I learned dread and the fugitive mind, that had some cool riffs

Guitar Magazine For The Practicing Musician had stuff tabbed out wrong too. Even though I believe they perfected how tablature was utilized and gave instruction on the musical theories behind every song. But my issues got ruined when my dad's basement flooded.

10:52 In fairness to the book, that's not what that means. It's a diamond, not a normal whole note. The diamond indicates that its not really a pitched note, but rather a more low-mid range unpitched note. The same way x notes are used in vocals to indicate shouts that aren't "sung" or pitched, the diamond is just a whole note version of those x notes. (Though sometimes you will see strange bubble letter looking x notes instead, like a lot of music notation, it's not always consistent with *all* which one to use) though, in the spirit of shitting on the book, I'll add that they forgot to add a "fall" to that part.

Took pictures of all my rock N' roll tees hanging from my p.a. last year with a cellphone. I have 368 so far, but still not enough... right!? But anyway, l have that same Smashing Pumpkins t-shirt. When I go back and look at all those photos, I left the exact same sticker on mine too in the same place!!🤔(twilight zone music insert) P.S.- played 'Peace Sells...' in my first metalband although I was on bass. I had to start the song with that jumping bass intro! Always impressed with your surefire abilities and music knowledge. Take it easy til' next time.

@The-Art-of-Guitar, you see what I was talking about, how the transcribers divided up parts that are played on one guitar into two guitars? “Bad Omen,” in that book is HORRIBLE. It is similar to the “Peace Sells...” transcription. It divides up the notes and the percussive chops into two guitars. Back when I bought it, we didn’t have Internet and easy access to videos of live performances. The times time I saw Megadeth live, I was never close enough to the stage to study Dave’s fingerings (which is something I do when watching guitarists at most concerts I attend), so I tried to use that book as a “baseline” to figure out the notes, but came up with my own fingerings, because that book is whack! I swear, I don’t know how some of those transcribers (& publishers) got away with publishing such crap. It just made things more difficult for young guitarists to learn songs.

When i listen to this song i can hear the octave above the root note in the power chords

In the eighties, I learned a lot by using the Pink Floyd, Police and rush anthology guitar tab books. Even if they were not always spot on. The only one, I have left apparently is Pink Floyd The wall, all the songs. And it isn't tabbed, it is all in notation, with chords. I can read notes, or am in the process of getting better at it. But I took those books to a guitar teacher in the eighties, to learn from. And he was alright with it, because he was a senior that was in the school jazz band, and the school band leader/teacher asked him to teach me. And because those bands and the music they did was progressive, the technique I needed, some of it was in there.

Is there a publisher that you recommend that prints tabs correctly? Because I'm just starting out and really don't want to get burned. Thanks

When I first started guitar some of the transcriptions made me scratch my head. Good to know I'm not crazy

Much like yourself, I spent a lot of time trying and failing back in the day with the idea that "it must be true, 'cause the book says so". But even back then I sort of had an incling that they were kind of screwing around sometimes, because I read an interview with a band in a guitar magazine (I think it was Radiohead, but I'm not sure as it's 20+ years ago :p), where the guitar player told how the people transcribing their album actually contacted him to explain certain chordshapes he used, because they couldn't get their heads around it and couldn't get it quite right.

I honestly feel bad most players during the 80s 90s and 00s had to grow up with shit like this. This is an injustice to rising guitar players. Every guitar player out there that self-taught with no instructor, I applaud u!! How do u do that???

@JarkkoKokkonen

2 жыл бұрын

It was harder, but I think it was easier to focus, since we had no internet or computers. You would play for hours without any distractions. I think that’s pretty rare these days. Also, since you could only see other players live, and you rarely saw other young guitarists on stage, you thought you were the greatest young player ever. These days you can find small children who are great players here on KZread. I think that would’ve been discouraging.

How do tab books that are published more recently compare to the oldies? I recently bought four Exodus books they're incredible, but they were tabbed by Kragen Lum. Have other tab books improved as well?

I actually love these series I own some of these books and I can see the mistakes back then

That guitar you have is amazing.

Hey, I have this book. I still remember buying it 20 years ago.

What are the chances you can make a video where you show the way Chris Poland plays the first solo? I can't seem to find any good tabs...

Loving the page holders

9:59 I actually felt the same since first Chris' lead. I felt that they changed it to Marty like style. What was year of original release for this tab book?

oh god, I have that book and many others of the same company (it was called Cherry Lane if I recall correctly), bought somewhere around late '90. I knew that something was wrong and it wasn't me!!! BTW, after all of these years I'm still wondering if the guitar rhythm in the last part of slayer's postmortem was translated correctly, it's 240bpm, very fast to play and hearing the exact rhythm on the record is hard. Check it out! Love your videos, cheers!