I think it's great that manufacturers like Seco/Niagara are partnering up with KZread creators like this. This was a very informative video and better informed consumers benefit manufacturers and consumers alike.

Seco / Niagara sure is getting their moneys worth. A successful campaign, when it comes to getting their name out there. They are doing a good job trying to invest in the future machinists. I hope everyone benefits from their efforts.

I have been waiting for this video from anyone. Done very well and I am sure going to get a Seco turning catalog!! Thanks Dale and Daryl very very much. Doug

inserts intimidate me, but this is very interesting. thanks to both of you.

Good morning from New Zealand. Your film clip as just come up on my KZread watch list and I must compliment you for a very informative video. I was New Zealnd's Seco Tools Sales Manger for 28 years, retired in 2012, and its exactly what I used to teach, both at distributor and customer level. Seco excell on their teaching and training material along with a top of the range product. I am looking forward to your milling series as it was a subject I enjoyed and trouble shooting with customers. Seco's range of milling is second to none. Cheers and well done. Ian

Dale, good job, I have been looking for this info for so long. Thanks to Seco and their rep. Regards fromBonnie Scotland.

I must say that this has been an excellent video. I wasn't bored with some textbook lecture on insert geometry I was actually entertained by the knowledge and look forward to seeing more of these.

As a newcomer to machining I found this very helpful in gaining an understanding of how inserts vary and the codes that denote them. As an amateur using a 47 year old lathe I very much endorse others' requests for a follow up video pitched towards our needs. Thanks from the UK!

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

We are working on that. Thanks for watching

Dale, Thanks so much for doing this video. I have been looking for more knowledge regarding carbide inserts. Can't wait for the next video.

Great vid. He hinted on lightweight machines. As many beginners will be on smaller machines, it would be great if he showed the better insert geometries for hobby lathes (Atlas, Logan, smaller SB etc.) I wanted to do a vid on this. Dispel the myth that hobby lathes can't use carbide. It is more that insert tooling is geared for fast removal but there are some that work great on small cuts on lightweight machines.

@lostvikinga

8 жыл бұрын

Especially stainless i find on my Myford

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

We are planing other video one will be geared around your suggestion.

@TheMetalButcher

8 жыл бұрын

Yes please. I want to maximize the amount of metal I can take off on my Craftsman 10", carbide inserts sound like the way to go.

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

you must precise your question, amount per second, amount per corner? you know, they don't classify insert geometry by flimsiness of the machine.

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

to put into context, these ISO/ANSI inserts are used on machines that turn parts for watches. like 1mm diameter. It's not your machine that's the problem, nor the inserts.

Good job. i have been asked many times to do a video on inserts, you guy's have done a wonderful job, look forward to more.

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks Randy

Hi Dale Awesome video this subject is something that is of great interest to me as when you go to a supplier you get a different story depending what insert manufacture they are pushing at the time. So the moor information we can get will improve our knowledge in this to cut through the BS given by some retailers. Looking forward to some more of these videos. Dave

I'm new to a lathe and this helps a lot, thank you!

I learned quite a bit, thanks to both of you.

I.C. Stands for inscribed circle for anyone wondering (as I was).

Great! thank you very much for this conversation. I really enjoyed it because I'm having problems with my inserts life.

this is very interesting. thanks to both of you.

Great video Dale and thank Daryl for me very informative and looking forward to more to come.

Thanks Dale. I learned a lot. Keep up the good work.

Wow! Great Vid. Love it !

Thanks, that was valuable advice for me as a beginner before making expensive mistakes or using the wrong tool for the job. Appreciated. Thanks for showing lots of useful information on the channel, keep up the good work.

Great video! This is the type video the guys, like me, that want to learn the trade and do it correctly need. I am looking into opening a small machine shop and have had trouble finding a good school. Thanks Dale.

Excellent video, looking forward to the series.

Very educational video. It really broadened my understanding of inserts. Thanks and best wishes from Denmark!!

this is fantastic, this is what we want! brilliant marketing for seco too, but so much information!

Thank you guys I have struggled for some time on this subject this put everything into perspective

Good video. I imagine that most of the people watching your cannel are in the same boat as me where they have a low HP machine (Mine is 1HP) and are looking for even simpler advise on what inserts to buy specifically for their machine. Perhaps you can do a video with Daryl showing a set of recommended starter inserts and holders for these machines for various types of metals. A couple of cuts on your lathe using the inserts to show the finish would be informative as well. It may also be good to do a video on some of things he discussed like how nose radius affects surface finish. Thanks

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

the shape isn't specific or better suited to bigger or smaller machine. This may seem like a case if you switch from, say a triangle to square insert, but any increase in horsepower is due to increased chip thickness from the way you tilted your toolpost. What really matters is the edge sharpness, rake angle. In other words it is specific to the material you're turning.

Hei Dale i am from Brazil i am a lathe operator although i do not understand your language so much i could learn a lot about inserts. Congratulations it was really a very good video class to me. keep it up.

Thanks for This!!!!!! I have been learning machine @53 as a new career and this topic has been kicking my behind!

Thanks for this. I'm going to find my shops Seco catalog on Monday and study it. Thanks again foe the info

Dale, Great job! Made the whole SECO thing around the community interesting. Very nice job and looking forward to holding too. Everybody else pretty much unboxed and said WOW which is fine....this si just better.

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks Im looking forward to doing more videos with Daryl

Brilliant video, thanks for organising it!

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

there is more to come

Hey Dale, very informative video. I'll be watching it again, just in case I missed something. Shoutout to Darryl from Seco.

very usefull infos ! great dave!

Learned a lot. Thanks!

Finally, knowledge from the inner sanctum of industrial machining, Thank You!

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks of you comment

Great material. I look forward to the followup video on the holders. I recently picked up a box full of new inserts at a garage sale, but there were no holders, so my next tooling 'educational' project will be making some holders for my 618. Keep up the good work!

Absolutely great and informative!

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Thanks Dale. Great, great video. Inserts have always seemed a real black art but now I'm at least starting to get an idea of what it all means - & realizing I've been using the wrong inserts for what I've been doing most of the time! Daryl's great, get him back on, I want to learn more! BTW the Seco site is great with heaps of downloadable catalogues & info sheets. Cudo's to them.

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed my time with him and looking forward to doing more videos with him.

Great info Dale!

Great Video! I just graduated as a machinist from York Tech in Rock Hill, Sc. We barely touched on the subject of inserts. I am glad to see this video. This has helped me to add to my knowledge of machining.

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

i think machinery handbook has a page on the standard ISO/ANSI insert geometries for over a decade now. Mine is from 1988 and it does.

This is gold. Thank you.

Very informative, thanks a lot for sharing this!!

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching :-)

Thanks Dale this helps a lot i am new to all of this and all of those letters and number had me lost. The holders is the other thing im in the dark on .

Excellent!!

Excellent information. Thanks!!

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Thank you Dale, This video prompted me to spend the last several hours going through the SECO catalog and MSC's online info in order to make sense out of everything. I teach gunsmithing and although machining is a big part of our curriculum, we mostly use high speed steel. I'm essentially carbide ignorant. We prefer our students to grind their own tools, but they need to understand that there is a place for carbide tooling, even on smaller machines like ours (13 x40). We have a mix match of inserts and holders at school/work. When someone uses carbide, they just grab a tool holder with whatever insert is installed and go at it, with mixed results. Obviously there's a lot more to it than that. We cut a lot of 1018 and 4140 along with the occasional 416R. I think this video will go a long way in helping our tool selection. Looking at a CCMT32.51 FF1 in the future to see what kind of results we can get.

This is a very good video. I used to work at SECO in Sweden, small city Ludvika, late 80s. Now Im getting the urge to play with some toolmaking again. So I got myself a Simonet lathe to play with. So far, I have put most work to refurbish it. Also looking for a Abene Mill. :) Anyway, Inserts a very good. But my opinion is that is not for everyone. You have to know how to work them. They are production oriented, that pretty much demand quite big depth Of cuts. With hard feed. HSS cutters (seco probably still have them) are (in my opinion) often the better option of a amateur/home shop. Plus they can be relativly easy shaped, for what you want, or need. Today I have a few inserts. But the mayority is hss. Also, SECO is moving production to India. So my old collegues (many still working there) are losing their jobs. So I might as well buy inserts an holders on fleabay or aliexpress. Good enough for the home shop!

Very informative, thank you!

Excellent vid Dale. Finally got time to watch it. I hate sharpening, so inserts seem to be a great way to go. Just got some for my Sherline, but haven't had good results yet, I think this vid will be a great help. Now I can search for holders for the Duolathe. Thanks again.

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Im glade you liked it

Awesome video guys

Wow - Was JUST thinking about this very subject and thought it would be a great topic for MT&T .. Cool..

Dam good video! Love it

Excellent video Dale. Should have covered what insert works best on what material, and like what others are asking in regards to smaller machines, especially my little 8" Southbend. Definitely will be rattling Dennis's cage at the bash!! Thanks for putting this together!!

Very informative, thank you Darry and Dale! I have been using inserts on my Sieg SC4 but they all break the same way with a chip missing on the tip, so I'll have a look at the insert wear document. Now I am more keen to learn how to grind HSS tools because carbide inserts are way too expensive for my use and also for the sake of learning something that worth it.

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

ebay some TCMT at 1$ a piece. Even chinese brand is good nowadays (deskar brand for example).

supper informative. Thanks.

Very informative!

One of the most informative videos I have seen in a while. Please keep others to basic 101 type: For me this is all new information. Thanks!! Reviewed comments and have agreed with them, especially concerning smaller machines. Also wanted to suggest (for future videos) how to select the proper insert for a specific tool holder that would represent a good “middle ground” for general purpose work. Perhaps covering some basic metals aluminum, cast iron, and a few common steels, that one would encounter everyday. Exotic metals maybe in a special video(s).

Great information

Dale, fantastic video. I am really looking forward to the tool holder one. Two subjects I would like to know is 1) is the rake angle tool holder specific on generic and 2) hiw to identify old or obsolete holders. The type us hobbiest buy off ebay or auctions. Al

Dale, Awesome information! Don't know if you had a plan to discuss as a future topic but I think it would also be good to talk about a good starting point for holders and inserts for different HP machines. What I mean by this is I own a Southbend Heavy 10 that has a 3/4 HP motor. I would think that my lathe would require a different hold and insert geometry than your biggest lathe or Abom's Monarch. I am new to machining as a hobby and again this information is awesome stuff! Thanks to both of you!

excellent, waiting for next

@BuildSomthingCool

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks

I'm amazed that you are making teaching videos and you didn't know this! Wow!

@panon5292

7 жыл бұрын

I have a genuine feeling he's just saying this for the video. I am a relative machinist noob and I knew most of this. Between MT&T, Fenner, Abom, Rucker and especially This Old Tony I have learned A LOT.

that was cool . takes the guess out of it for me ---thanks

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Im glad you liked it

very informative. Thank you

I scanned two of Seco's catalogs. Wow. That's the way catalogs should be done - thorough WRT all aspects of design and usage.

I received various data information from Seco and came to the conclusion of OMG! I would have to be an engineer (or more) to figure it out. Thus, I stress it would be great for us home hobbyists with smaller lathes to outline some sort of "kit" comprised of Seco's basic tool holders and associated inserts. I most probably would buy from Seco, as they were super helpful and very pleasant to deal with obtaining the information. I for one have an AXA holder, so larger industrial size holders are really out of the question.

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

seco doesn't decide the codes. It's a standards body that does, ANSI/ISO, like how they decide how long a meter is, how heavy a kilogram is, etc.

For those with small bench lathes, I find the CCMT or CCGT inserts (same holder) to be the best. Great variety of inserts and a positive angle.

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

thanks of your comment

Great informative video, Seco are some of the best inserts I’ve used. Turning copper was a real struggle until I found a specific copper insert and it worked really well. Do Seco have an insert for tuning Polyurethene, . I’ve tried nylon , copper inserts and nothing really works , so it’s Old school HSS which does cut but only a specific way.

GREAT!!!

Way cool welding table !

Good explanation for the new machinist. What isn't stressed is that carbide inserts don't make much sense for the hobby machinist. To work efficiently, carbide insert tooling depends on the three things that the hobby machinist often lack: horsepower, spindle speed, and machine rigidity. This shows up most often in turning difficult materials like stainless steel. Stainless steel work hardens as it is machined. An industrial strength lathe has no problem taking a heavy enough cut so that it stays ahead of the work hardened zone and the carbide insert works like gang busters. Metal removal rates are high and a large amount of heat is being dissipated in the chips with the high surface speeds that come with high spindle speeds. A light duty lathe has a tough time of it using insert tooling. The insert is left to fight through material that was work hardened on the previous pass and that drastically shortens the insert edge life. This in turn generates excess heat which shortens the life even more. And to add insult to injury, the application of coolant will cause thermal shock to the over heated insert which causes the cutting edge to break down. I use cemented carbide tools on my bench lathe. They cost much less than insert tooling, and when they are worn a quick trip to the bench grinder and puts a nice new edge on them. Insert tooling is great stuff for the job shop where time and metal removal rates are money... not so much for the lathe in the shed.

Dale how do i get one of those catalogs

This is a very good series even for a very new and inexperienced wanna be amateur like me.

If I could give the video two thumbs up I would. Thanks!

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Wow! Im glad you liked it.

I would love to get my hands on that bible I can look on web site but I am old fashion like the paper keep up the good work

fantastic informative video for a newb like me. I need to find the Montreal Rep for Seco. I need help... thanks again for this video

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

glad i could be of Service

i have a 14x40 3 hp single phase metal lathe with enough power to take .100 thow cut .200 thow total diameter cut with tnmg 433 insert and the lathe doesent even grunt. i also use tnmg 432 inserts with a smaller nose radius for smaller cuts for a better finish. the tnmg 432 has more of a pointier nose on it. i use these 2 inserts for alluminum stainless and soft and hard steels with no problem and these are the only inserts i use for everything on the lathe period.

thanks helped allot!!!

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Im Glade you liked it

Hi really enjoy your Chanel did you ever do the video on matching the inserts to the insert holders

Dale great information, I'm running a S-B 10L with a AXA holder and I'm running into tool holder size issues. Does Seco make holders for smaller machines with 5/8 and down tool post? Thanks again love the channel!

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

All tool companies do, look at the swiss turning tools. Swiss turning refers to a style of machine that turns small bars , like less than 1/2" diameter.

Good information. But how does one get the catalog? I've been all over the Seco website, which has some good info for download but no way to order the hardcopy catalog...which would be handy to have benchside.

.. Splendid video,.. :oD

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Hi guys. A very good choice of subject. I think that for a lot of 'hobby' machinists the right choice of insert is a nightmare, I know it is for me. Most of us just want the best bang for our buck, and not have to buy all the different inserts that are on offer, as you all reddy alluded too. I doubt that Mr Seco is not going to send me one of those catalogs, is some, or all of that big book available on line? I would like to know what or which insert and holder will do for 75 - 80% of a hobbyist's work on a small to medium lathe or mill, with-out having to take out an extra mortgage or robbing a poor old grandma in a dark ally.

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

all catalogues are online and you tool dealer can give you a big paper book if you want.

Very good video, but where can we get a printed catalog like in the video?

Great thanx

what's a link to order that book he was using? looking at their site, don't see it too easy yet...

Hi Dale, I would imagine the bigger percent of your viewers are hobby motivated, probably using small horsepower end machines, the big question therefore what all rounder insert is the best for us on limited funding, and what's the smallest amount of inserts can we get away with, for projects in steel, cast iron, brass, aluminium and stainless, if you could pop the question it would be much appreciated, nice videos keep up the good work. Thanks Tony (uk)

@rompdude

8 жыл бұрын

I would also appreciate this information if it were provided

@timmallard5360

8 жыл бұрын

+rompdude I will second that request. I just upgraded to a Grizzly 12x36" gun smithing lathe from a wee little Atlas 6". The hardest thing to do for small machinist is sifting through the marketing intended for way bigger and more powerful machines. Though I do love watching videos of chips just jumping overboard in fear of the carbide

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

This is a philosophical question, but I will answer it -- TCMT insert. Triangle because you get the most edges while not being constrained to not being able to turn profiles as is with D, shape, round or even W. Its the same number of edges as W but you can turn profiles better. TCMT is single sided, and prefered over TNMG, which is double sided triangle, because you get more stability in boring bars, better access to smaller diameters because you don't have to use shims, which also results in a smaller inventory. TCMT also can be used in dovetail cutters, and that's useful since most everyone uses a QCTP. Works in milling too. If you want surface finish you can get a better one with a wiper geomtry on the TCMT tha using a round or square insert like other youtubers recommend. TCMT is also a very common geometry so you can get good deals on ebay. All things considered it is the best option. The free market agrees with me anyways you'll notice most turning "kits" for hobby lathes using this insert. The ones that use DCMT give you more cutters for accessing the other 2 edges and thus you have more tools and pay for more stuff. In my local area there's a guy selling 1000 TCMT at 1 dollar a piece, seco brand. Another way TCMT is better than TNMG : in TNMG if you smash a corner, the one on the bottom usually also gets smashed, so you lose 2 at once, so its not really a 6-versus-3 corner situation between the inserts as you would think. A holder for an insert is like 20 dollars, but with that money i can just get 20 TCMT inserts that is worth chasing those extra corners on TNMG. A similar inset is TPM, it's outdated, has no chipbreaker, has no center hole (so you cant make a dovetail cutter, or 60 degree tool).

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

all philosophy aside, ask your tool rep and you will get the perfect solution without knowing how to tie a pair of shoes. The tool rep will probably give you the perfect insert for your job, free as a demo. So ask for the demo every time cuz everyone wants free stuff.

@metaling1

8 жыл бұрын

For home guys, choose shape C W T or D. I like C due to the range of inserts available, but if I could pick most usable it's D all the way. It has the best chip evacuation and breaking at low feeds, and is very tough - do not think its weak and pointy. Stay away from negative holders and inserts. You can buy inserts that are high positive that turn a negative holder into an effective positive but don't bother. But the two biggest tips. First, get as large nose radius as you can get away with to avoid it chipping. Then, get the TOUGHEST grade you can, like Iscar IC3028, it is almost impossible to break and specifically says its for low feeds and speeds. It'll cut everything. Stay away from hard grades, and non brand name inserts. Get some polished inserts for Ali/brass later. TOUGH inserts are the key to home guys. Tim

Great video. That catalog/bible looks like it has some extremely valuable info, but how does a hobbyist get his hands on one??? I have found that getting informative information on insert types, sizes and uses is a bit daunting.

thanks for the links they were helpful....derp

Good video. For a "101", a few more basic examples of metal types, depth of cut and speed/feed would help put things in perspective as the tools are discussed.

I use carbide inserts on my lathe because I was never expert enough to keep HSS tools sharp and at the correct angles.The trouble with carbide is it is geared almost exclusively to production, which means big fast cuts on powerful machines with no sloppy rails. If you look at the lathe work on Clicksprings channel, he never uses carbide, and gets fantastic finishes. I think we should at least try to use HSS occasionally just to keep the skill of tool grinding alive, even if that is only for the odd form tool. Trouble is, you look at the CNC/5 axis vids where they get high speed perfection and think we can repeat it at home :o(

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

fantastic is subjective. get surface roughness Ra/Rz and maybe we'll talk who's the best. You can get polished sharp inserts enough to shave with and see your reflection in.

@jamiebuckley1769

7 жыл бұрын

i sharpen my store bought carbide tooling on a green stone no problem.

For the folks who might have trouble finding the Seco technical manuals mentioned in the video (the search is highly counter intuitive, and I had to call a distributor to get the links), the link is web.showcasecloud.com/index.php/welcome/home , and the technical manuals are found under the "Navigator" category.

Where could I find one of those catalogs? Or at least a condensed version.

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

on their website.

@BuildSomthingCool

8 жыл бұрын

Please go on line to Seco tools

Was that noise bubble wrap?

Where can we buy the catalog and chart ?

Dale =, I really am lose as a newbee in machining, I too (until watching this) chew my finger nails in the insert learning curve,,,any way to get an old copy of the Seco Catalog ???(@@)!

-Does Seco sell in Europe (do they have an outlet here?) -How do I get my hands on their catalogue ? Cheers Paddy

@Lawman212

8 жыл бұрын

Seco PDF Catalogs on their website: www.secotools.com/en-US/Global/Service--Support/Machining-Navigator/ They used the "Turning" catalog in this vid.

@gh778jk

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the link ! I discovered that pdf file, but I can't be arsed to delve into a pdf file of that size.... If if want to consult a book or a catalogue , I will always go for a paper version, call me old fashioned. I remember a time when businesses couldn't wait to send you their catalogue.... These days, some of them look at ye, as if you were asking for their first-born ! Paddy

@meocats

8 жыл бұрын

seco is originally european

Had to re-watch because it is so much to adsorb. Please do the follow up with tool holders you mentioned. Finally purchased my 1st lathe capable of taking heavy cuts and results other than "steel wool".

@BuildSomthingCool

7 жыл бұрын

Congratulation on your new machine. We are planing on it, when are schedules line up.

where do we get this book?