Fun Fact: Carroll Shelby was the world's oldest living heart transplant survivor at the time of his death.

@DXGamerPlaysRoblox

4 жыл бұрын

cool

@iaintdonknow

4 жыл бұрын

That's a nice fact dude, thanks!

@ponyong2090

4 жыл бұрын

Is that a de tomaso pantera car use by ken?

@BuzzLOLOL

4 жыл бұрын

Matt Damon looks like me... but neither of us looks anything like Carroll Shelby...

@zmcginnis66

4 жыл бұрын

He also drove the absolute shit out of every shelby he got his hands on to make sure it was up to par.. donuts and drifts and burnouts then climbs out all slow lol

One thing the film got right, which a lot of racing films don't, was the beauty of cars, that true petrolheads know. When you push a car to it's maximum, it comes alive, and, I don't know how they did it, but they showed that in this film. Truly breathtaking.

@Galf506

4 жыл бұрын

@Jordan Gadd it's easy to mess up. Often movies are not made by people that know the subject at hand.

@stpbasss3773

4 жыл бұрын

@@Galf506 like another comment I saw lower down about him downshifting on a straight to go faster lmao, like you said people who don't know about the subject. Even if the film is watched over by someone who does know they still won't catch every dumbass thing Hollywood does.

@Lunus909

4 жыл бұрын

Ah yes I see your a man of culture as well

@despacitodaniel801

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah 1 thing I loved and noticed and I'm not even into cars!

@newvintage1554

3 жыл бұрын

Carbs Can't get that sound with out one.

Crazy thing is... if you actually listen to interviews with Ken Miles, and watch him in those interviews, they couldn't have picked a better actor to portray him. Christian Bale was the exact representation

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, and I think a lot of it is down to Christian Bale putting in the extra effort to research Ken's voice and mannerisms, (Although when he says: "That one's not batting on a full wicket!" It makes me wonder if Bale or the scriptwriters know how to play Cricket) and Peter Miles opening up a lot about his parents to him and Caitriona Balfe. (Molly in the film)

@bill2953

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 Why is no one mentioning how brilliantly Matt Damon came off like the real Matt Damon.

@Da_one_tl

2 жыл бұрын

@@bill2953 hush child. Damon is a Bostonian. He put in real work to be like the real Caroll Shelby

@bill2953

2 жыл бұрын

@@Da_one_tl And that shows up how? And don't say the cowboy hat and inkling of Texas drawl either. Hell, I can do that. Shelby had an outgoing edge to him that Matt missed completely.

@timothyjames6412

2 жыл бұрын

I was impressed by the Brummie accent, until I watched an interview with the real Miles and realised he had a fairly middle class non-regional English accent. Shame. But then, he did come from Sutton Coldfield, which used to be too posh to consider itself part of Birmingham!

Nothing like sitting down to write out 15,000 words for a script to find this banger. No point in making it now haha smashed it mate well done

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Crankee Yankee! Me and my friends are a big fan of your work.

@whiplash-wl8764

2 жыл бұрын

My senior year of high school I needed to write an essay, I wrote it on Ken.

We need more movies like this. Maybe 1980s group B next? XD

@a.stupid.idiot.

3 жыл бұрын

y e s

@nickkings2220

3 жыл бұрын

What would be the best story to tell 1. 037 constructors title 2. Michelle Moutons journey as a female driver 3. Henri's career and death

@edwardndriskoll

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@roninshadley3689

3 жыл бұрын

Quattro

@mesterorange8181

3 жыл бұрын

Group C 🙏

This is the only time i've heard Ken Miles' actual voice, been searching for some audio for ages!

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Darth mong Ken apparently gave some radio interviews which Christian Bale found during research, and James Mangold used these in the script during the scene where Ken educates his son Peter about endurance racing. (The “perfect lap” scene)

@Darth_mong

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 Be good to hear those in full if anyone could find them, I'll rummage around the web tonight. Doesn't sound as Brummie as I'd expected though!

@Darth_mong

4 жыл бұрын

@Bercilak de hautdesert Yeah, guilty as charged 😅

@M1ggins

4 жыл бұрын

@Bercilak de hautdesert lol, I sound like Hugh Grant on the telephone.

@kinpin66

3 жыл бұрын

WHAT TIME MARK

it's often stated that Ford orchestrated the tie finish, but in a recent interview with Shelby, he admitted that it was HIS idea for a tie finish, not Ford's, and Ford then went along with it, an idea that Shelby regretted for the rest of his life. Shelby also stated that ever since Ken died, he thought of Ken every day.

@RavensEagle

2 жыл бұрын

Link or it didn't happen

@leovikstrom8266

2 жыл бұрын

@@RavensEagle search for the interview on youtube i saw it recently

2:07 In the movie Shelby knew about his heart condition beforehand, in the scene with the doctor he mentions that he “takes the pills” referring to the nitroglycerin pills he was prescribed for his conditions. I think that scene with the doctor was meant to show that Shelby was ignoring his heart problems to race which is what he did in real life.

@harshithsadhana7475

4 жыл бұрын

agree

@airgliderz

4 жыл бұрын

So, does not matter, it's not a documentary, made for good art and entertainment. Win win for all.

@harshithsadhana7475

4 жыл бұрын

@@airgliderz I agree its a movie but they made many real good people look bad. They lied to us that is insulting.

@airgliderz

4 жыл бұрын

@@harshithsadhana7475 no, not at all insulting, no lies. Just art and entertainment. In fact every actual documentary includes lies per you impossible ideal world. Man, time to expand your universe from your tiny bubble of self created reality based on untruths.

@airgliderz

4 жыл бұрын

@@harshithsadhana7475 no lies other than yours. Art and entertainment. Stop lying to yourself.

Another interesting fact is that McLaren/Amon had horrendous tyre problems at the start of the race,having to pit every few laps due to the tyres "chunking" and basically falling apart.If not for Shelby offering Goodyear tyres ,the No2 car was doomed. Much of what you read or hear about Shelby hints that he favoured Miles over other drivers but this act alone suggests to me that he really just wanted to win and the more irons in the fire,so to speak. Chris Amon was always my hero so I'm happy he won, but engineered finishes leave a very bad aftertaste. I would rather the race be run in it's true spirit ; THE BEST WINS! , but as usual, the suits will have their way. Pity. Anyway, just wanted to add my 2c worth! Excellent video,one of the best informed that I have seen. Great work! STAY SAFE!!!!!

@Miatacrosser

4 жыл бұрын

Sad way to win it and I too liked Chris Amon, but he had nothing to do with the finish other than help get the car there. He and Jackie Ickx were the only Ferrari drivers I didn't mind seeing win(although Amon never would in F-1). All because of both of them winning LeMans driving a Ford GT40.

@tonyrata4796

4 жыл бұрын

@@Miatacrosser hi there ,Jackie is also a favorite of mine , I'll always remember him walking to his car instead of running at the start of one race , don't remember which year but the memory sticks.... The great Ferrari Engineer Mauro Foghieri said that his one regret was that he never gave Chris Amon the car his talent deserved, and that is some endorsement of his ability in a race car. I will show my age here but we all got to get old huh?! I was 8 years old when my neighbours dad took his son (Roger) and me to Pukekohe Park Raceway in 1968. Truth be told the memories are a little faded but the one memory that remains constant was that the beautiful red car beat all the rest! That 8 year old's instant love of this red vision has never left me ,and my respect for the little bloke driving it grew over time. Just one more thought,this whole Le Mans controvesy doesn't detract from motorsport,it adds another layer to the pantheon that is motorsport history / contrversy for people like us to debate and disagree on! STAY SAFE!! Cheers.

@swanny8869

4 жыл бұрын

Nice to see you bring this up. In Motorsport magazine article, "Lunch with Chris Amon". Chis talks about this moment they switched tires from the "chunking" Firestone tires to the Goodyear tires, and as soon as they did, this was the moment Bruce Shouted to Chris "We've got nothing to lose". "Just go like Hell". As mentioned in the video. By Sunday morning they had got into lead and then something weird happened: at the next pitstop, When they weren't due a tyre change, the Goodyear guy, without even looking at the tires, ordered the mechanics to change one of the fronts, which delayed them even more, putting Ken back into the lead. They guess that the Goodyear guys didn't want Firestone-contracted drivers winning. This only aggravated Bruce and with some rain out and unbelievably slippery conditions Bruce got past Ken again. ill leave a link to the article as it is a very good read. www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/june-2008/62/lunch-chris-amon

@tonyrata4796

4 жыл бұрын

@@swanny8869 Hi . I hope you're keeping safe. You are of course correct sir! I have read the article and forgotten all about it ! Blame it on old age. What truly irk's me is the emphisas placed on the last few hours of the race , ignores the real , balls to the wall driving that took place in the first 12 - 16 hours of competition . the drive put in by both cars should have ,by 1966 standards , finished off one or both of them. It's a tribute to all that they were able to keep both going . To the result. I , as a proud kiwi would have been happy regardless of which car won ,their were kiwi's in both. But let's face it , the finish was an engineered balls up , sitting squarely on Ford's shoulders. The French did nothing wrong , just enforced the previously published rules. To end my speil , I wish more mention of the great job done by Denny Hulme was , in my opinion as noteworthy as any of the other 3 . Even as world champion he never garnered the praise he deserved. A real pity. And just to finish Denis Jenkinson said in Motorsport that month , that had the race result , after the dead heat , been calculated (by the French) to 4pm ,the advertised finish time , Miles would have won , as he was still leading at that point. If's , but's and maybe's........ Kia Kaha Stay strong.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyrata4796 I have to say, he doesn't get many lines but I felt Ben Collins (famous for being the Stig on Top Gear) did a good job of portraying Denny "Big bear" Hulme, especially considering he is first and foremost a driver and not so much an actor.

In a selfish way I wish they had been able to also explore the development if the Daytona Shelby, my father helped build it.

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's very cool. The Daytona Shelby's success was probably the thing that got Shelby the gig with Ford, more than his win at Le Mans as a driver in 1959 I'd argue. I think the problem from a script POV is that they clearly wanted Shelby to be more of an outsider, so if they show him basically already getting 4th place finishes and GT class wins at Le Mans with a car using a Ford engine then it makes Shelby far less of an underdog. The only car they focus on Shelby and Miles racing other than the GT40 is the Corbra, which is probably Shelby's best known car; so it's unfortunate that the Daytona gets kind of shuffled into the background as a result. A.J. Baime's book "Go Like Hell" does talk about the Daytona's development and success in a fair bit of detail as part of the overall story, so I would read that if you've not done so already.

@williamberger2178

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the information, My father didn't brag or talk too much about what he was working on, I had to figure it out later. I made the connection while watching the Motor Trend TV series "Auto Biography". In the show they were showing photo stills from the development while interviewing Peter Brock. Then I saw a photo of my Dad at California Metal Shaping where my father worked fro almost 60 years. If you can find that series it too is very interesting. I believe the episode was "Cursed Cars".@@GeriatricFan1963

Very much appreciate the Steven McQueen's Le Mans music at 10:08

@GeriatricFan1963

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers, hard to believe that Steve McQueen's Le Mans is 50 years old this year.

I think it wouldn't be immersion-breaking if AFTER the film is done and you've already experienced all of the emotion and drama of the film, that they put a caption saying that many of the events were changed for dramatic reasons and to point out that Beebe was not the villain he was portrayed to be in the film. I think that would have been the good thing to do...

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Ken45 I agree, at the very least mention some of Beebe’s work for the Jewish community post-WW2. It’s true that he wasn’t a guy that was big into motor racing, and he didn’t get on with Miles, but that alone doesn’t make him a bad person.

@ayoubmilkyway5528

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 People in general should simply be better aware that real-life events have to be "re-engineered" to make a compelling film. Life never plays out as neatly as shown in movies

@jonelsorel

4 жыл бұрын

They tell you that at the beginning, usually, with "inspired from true events". No movie is ever a 1 to 1 representation of true life.

@ZirotronXL

3 жыл бұрын

They do exactly that, watch the credits for long enough and "The events in this film were altered for dramatic effect" or some version of it, will pop up. additionally it's supported by statements such as "Based on..." or "Inspired by..." at the beginning of the film.

@Kenneth45

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZirotronXL Yes, we all know that, lol. My point was saying to actually point out about Beebe since the film unfairly portrays him as a villain...

It is nice to know the true stories behind the movie but changing things up to move the story along is just what happens. Lets be honest as gear heads there are few movies made about racing and very few that come equal to this film. Ford vs Ferrari introduced a new audience to racing, Shelby, Le Man and Ken Miles. Most die hard racing fans may not have known who Miles was but do now. Also a lot that wasn't covered would have made the film 5 or more hours so....

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

Completely agree; this film was definitely something which made a lot of new motorsports fans. I think Steve McQueen's Le Mans film from the 70's has had a similar effect over the years.

@Loulovesspeed

3 жыл бұрын

@Shon De Vet - Sorry, but I have to disagree with you when you say most die hard racing fans may not have known who Miles was.......if they were, indeed, die hard racing fans (at least road racing fans), they certainly were familiar with the name Ken Miles!

@jordanschooley7836

2 жыл бұрын

This was a great film. I think Ron Howard’s Rush did the same thing for James Hunt.

@rick_fortune

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 Le Mans is an incredible film. Agreed. And so is Grand Prix with James Garner. Some of the cinematography in both films is incredible.

Bruce McLaren was a proud New Zealander , as was Chris Amon and Denny Hulme

@PunksloveTrumpys

3 жыл бұрын

Right on! And, as a proud New Zealander myself, I can confirm "go like hell" is correct Kiwi phraseology for the situation Bruce McLaren referred to.

28:38. "They never bring up Mile's tank at Normandy" Shelby btought that up to beeze or whatever his name one as a retort at some point; "He drove a tank right from the coast to berlin" or something like that Solid video. Thanks

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Gary Danger It’s mentioned a few times, and early in the film Peter knocks over a photograph of Miles’ tank regiment from the war. But it’s never a focus of the film; Ken himself never talks about it. I do kind of wish they’d made a bigger deal about him going back to France, and mirroring the the trip to Le Mans with his tank journey in WW2; Ford mentions his company’s role in the war effort too: “This isn’t the first time that Ford motors has gone to war in Europe.” It was an interesting angle that I wish the film had time to explore a little more of.

@keithstudly6071

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 Maybe that's better because other sources I have heard said that Ken was a mechanic in a tank unit so yeah, he probably drove a tank in France but it seems unlikely it was in combat.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Keith Studly Even so, I think he would have at the very least seen the aftermath of D-Day; that kind of experience has got to affect you. According to the Go like Hell book, he once told his son Peter about a time he came face to face with a German soldier, and only narrowly survived the encounter because he shot first. I think the war had more of an affect on Ken than was shown in the film, especially given that he rarely ever talked about it, not even to friends or family.

@EfftupSmith

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 I don't feel that was necessary. The subtley of stuff like that in the film is much better for it. It's there if you pay attentiuon but not really a major point of the story so no need to beat the audience over the head with it. Show don;t tell is one of the best pieces of advice a film maker can learn.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

@@EfftupSmith Maybe it's not strictly necessary; this is a film about Ken's final years in racing after the war after all. (Which funnily enough is also what he did in the UK pre-war as well) I don't think they needed a flashback to D-Day or anything PTSD related, but Ken's part in WW2 felt pretty incidental to his character when you consider there are a lot of parallels between driving a tank during the war and driving a prototype sportscar at Le Mans during the 60's, where a lot of drivers end up dying in accidents. Just seemed like a super-underplayed angle to me that wouldn't require them to really change the story all that much.

Just watched the film, last night, for the first time. (I know, what kind of a supposed car guy am I) Anyway, having professional motorsports background and having raced at Lemans(2004 GT Championship Team) I found it very entertaining. Wished I had seen it on the big screen, when it came out. Someone went to allot of trouble to make most of the scenes period correct. Awesome cast of characters. Actors did a fantastic job. JT: Orlando, Fl

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

jakespeed63 I agree completely about the drive for authenticity; a neat little touch is that they had the sons of many of the real life drivers playing their fathers. At the Le Mans start in ‘66 Derek Hill, son of 1961 F1 champion Phill Hill, ended up doubling for British F1 champion Graham Hill, and Derek insisted upon having Graham Hill’s pencil-thin moustache drawn on him! It’s such a small detail since it has zero impact on the plot, (And Graham Hill isn’t really a character in the film) but when you see him standing behind Ken Miles in that scene, as a racing fan you instantly know that it’s meant to be Graham, and that to me shows that they went the extra mile.

@EternalFringeDweller

4 жыл бұрын

@jakespeed63, in a movie that does not pretend to be a documentary authenticity is contingent on whether it contributes to ticket sales, and even if it does not, it can be diddled with. Take Iacocca's visit to Ferrari, for instance. That took place in 1963. We see him in the factory (starting at 4:58 in this excellent review). We also see three Ferrari 330 P3sor 4s in the foreground and three Ferrari F256s in the background. All of them look authentic enough. Trouble is that none of them would have been on the floor during Iacocca's visit. The latter were last raced two years earlier and the former were not even on the drawing board at that time. But yes, all of them are legendary Ferraris and therefore got into the picture.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

@@EternalFringeDweller The reason they are there though is because those were the cars that the production had access to...(And often it's simply the case that those were the cars that survived the 55+ years between 1963 and 2019) They are still absolutely gorgeous even if they are there a few years earlier than they should have been.

@EternalFringeDweller

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963, the reason those cars are there is that they looked good, never mind accuracy. And there is no way any of the F256s or P3s are originals. The P3s are the lookalikes the movie makers used in the 1966 race. I have no idea why they decided to put three F256s into the picture. Ferrari stopped using them, or any front-engined cars for formula 1 races at the end of 1960s. The movie makers could have just as easily hired or made their own stage props that resemble the 1963 version of the F156 Aeros. I can assure you that none of the F256s or the P3s are originals. Less than a handful were made of each. Not a single P3 even exists today. The ones that were not destroyed in accidents were converted to 412P or P4 specs. They are valued at between 35 and 45 million dollars each. The movie makers would find it cheaper to build their own lookalikes than to foot the insurance bill involved in hiring an original.

@EfftupSmith

4 жыл бұрын

I really loved this film, in much the same way as Rush, it takes liberties with certain moments but still tells the basic story correctly and gives a feeling of authenticity and gives you a proper feeling of the sights sounds and smells of a real racing car.

It was Shelby's suggestion to go for the dead heat, not Beebe's. Shelby himself said this in a 1998 interview (which is available on KZread now - and this video actually shows a clip of it!). He also said that it was one of his biggest regrets, presumably for that reason.

Ngl it became an unexpected favorite movie of mine. You don't even have to like cars to get enjoyment of seeing two guys doing what they want to do despite corporate odds

Great video/ I had the blessing of being at Sebring in '65 as a Boy Scout and meeting the entire team except for Ken Miles.

This video was circling around my feed for a while now. I have always been in love racecars and me and my father both fell in love with this movie. So I was worried this video would be the typical 30 minute rant about how terrible the movie was and blah blah blah. But I was incredibly astonished at how positive and wholehearted you took the approach to both the movie, and the real life story. Thank you for this astounding video my friend :) Keep up the good work! I look forward to more Motorsport videos from you in the future ❤️

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'm really glad that you liked my approach. I'm working on a follow up video that talks about all the deleted scenes from the shooting script and why they were left on the cutting room floor. I was also thinking of doing a similar video to this one looking back at Ron Howard's 2013 film Rush; not just another motorsport film that I love, but in my opinion one of Howard's best ever films; only Apollo 13 tops it in my view. What's also really impressive is that Rush had only 1/6th of the budget of Le Mans '66, but in my opinion it looks just as good; the money that they had well and truly went on screen.

@Clonekiller66

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 heck yeah! I can't wait to learn about Ford v Ferrari deleted scenes and how you compare them to actual history! And I am now extremely eager to check out the movie Rush. Thanks for the recommendation! Im looking forward to more of your content :) It's so refreshing finding such positivity on KZread these days. I'm so happy to have discovered your content.

The final insult was the text at the end when they credit Shelby and Miles for the wins in 68 & 69. They had absolutely nothing to do with them. The Gulf cars were developed by the John Wyer team from Mark 1 cars using the Gurney Weslake headed small block engines. Incidentally the first racing cars to employ Carbon Fibre.

They also cut out the team politic over at Ferrari, where they replace the # 1 Ferrari driver British John Surtees with Italian driver at at last moment. Surtees quit the team and went home.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

BigFire True, it’s a shame that the late John Surtees isn’t in the film other than a brief mention on a radio; to be fair though Surtees deserves his own biopic rather than being a footnote in this story. I think it was Ludovico Scarfiotti who replaced Surtees at Le Mans ‘66 though, not Bandini. (Scarfiotti was related to Gianni Agnelli, boss of Fiat, and that was what motivated the decision)

@dyingearth

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 I just check, Gianni Angelli (not Enzo Ferrari, who famously does not attend any races outside of Italy) attended Le Mans 1966 and for that reason, they replace Surtees with Scarfiotti (Angelli's nephew) as the lead hare driver.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, they were still trying to get Fiat to buy shares in Ferrari; the film shows Fiat buying them in 1963 immediately after talks with Ford fall through. So obviously if Surtees was in the film they would need to make up a different motivation to replace him.

@Miatacrosser

4 жыл бұрын

They cut everything out from the book. A book they OBVIOUSLY NEVER READ.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Miatacrosser Well, as good a book as it is, I could imagine this film being very unfocused had they kept the Surtees plot in. The only moment where Surtees’ story intersects with Miles/Shelby is right after Ferrari sacked him, when Shelby phoned up Surtees’ hotel room and offered him a seat in his team at the last minute. It’s a shame in a way that John turned him down; could you imagine a lineup of Ken Miles and John Surtees? No way would Beebe have even thought about a dead heat with an F1 world champion in the car. Denny Hulme of course didn’t become a champion until the year after.

You appreciate how close "Rush" was to the true story.

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like the main thing Rush did was that it didn't make Niki Lauda or James Hunt the villain, and that really worked in the film's favour. Rush didn't have as big a budget as Le Mans '66, but Peter Morgan's script was very strong and that I think is why Rush is seen as more authentic by racing fans; it made some changes of it's own but the story of Lauda's fiery crash and comeback 40 days later didn't require much artistic license to turn it into a Hollywood film; the main thing that got changed was some timeline condensing, which I think is understandable.

@TheoneandUwe

2 жыл бұрын

There is an actual documentary about "Rush". The director got help from Nikki Lauda himself at most points even in Details. As far as I remember, there was one detail about starting an F1-Car. The Script said " he get in, buckle up his belt and turned the key"... when Lauda read that, he asked the director "did you know anything about car racing?! If you can Show me only one F1-car, that is started with a key, you'll be the first one in this universe..." . So, when Ford v Ferrari, or LeMans '66 , depending on where you life, was made, all of the original Drivers, Engineers oder Commitees wheren't there anymore. Btw... what I really didn't know are most of the deads around 66. Hansgen between Daytona an LeMans, Bandini afterwards... daaaamn...

I went to the movie to hear engines scream and see beautiful cars.

@chrisbaker2903

3 жыл бұрын

Then find a copy of Steve McQueen's "Le Mans". Very little plot and very little story and a LOT of car camera video.

@Loulovesspeed

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisbaker2903 - Good advice!

I told my family the drama between Leo and Shelby was not real after we saw it for the first time, not to mention the cars in the background for both Ford and Ferrari included cars that did not yet exist. My summation of the movie: "It's the best result for a Hollywood movie."

I was absolutely blown away by the movie and as a history nut myself I shared a lot of the concerns you brought up. It's Hollywood and they can't just appeal to the racing fans entirely, but that they made this movie and brought it to Rush level details is astonishing.

My favorite part of the film is that the ford had 1 million gears

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

No wonder the gearboxes kept failing on the GT40...

@RyosukeTakahashiRX7

3 жыл бұрын

@Furaha Ruhiu Wym? Downshifts right before corners get me going like nothing else!

@dustymojave

3 жыл бұрын

What gets' me about the shifting in the movie is the enormous throw distance of the shifter to make a gear change. It's obvious the shifter used for the shots was NOT connected to anything.

@ElPINGAS9000

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah when he puts the GT into its 18th gear and pushes the accelerator down so far it scrapes the pavement, thats good ol Hollywood

@Jumpboy5100

3 жыл бұрын

@@ElPINGAS9000 not to mention the scene where he hit the sacred 20th gear

Le Mans 1965 would had been an interesting race to add in. Not just it was Ferrari’s last win, the factory teams of both sides lost their cars thus it was won by a customer Ferrari who had very little chance of winning.

this is VERY WELL DONE, and some very rare clips and info to be found here for avid miles and shelby fans. very rarely you hear voice clips of ken miles. i re-winded this several times trying to embrace the wealth of info this video has.

Thank you very much for this documentary. I am a race car driver and professional racing instructor and this movie, as well as your video, gives me goosebumps everytime. Brilliant stuff!

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I focused more on being informative than being thrilling, but it is a pretty engrossing story so I'm glad you were able to get into it!

Great job producing this video Edward, Thank you

Thank you. Great historic video about 1966 Le Mans race.

Incredibly interesting and well made video, props, keep it up

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, that's very kind of you! I have another documentary in the works for my second channel which is all about a 40 year old British TV series called "The Professionals" which I hope to get finished by the end of the year. But I'll see if I can't make another video about motorsport/film on this channel also.

@jacobcurtis2294

4 жыл бұрын

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Love the real Le Mans movie soundtrack in the background.

Amazing video! I loved how you got into the nitty gritty and even hit on a few lesser known facts that I actually knew.

Great insight behind the real events... thank you for sharing!

"Nothing but the facts mam" - nicely put together - keep up the good work

Hearing Ken Miles voice for the first time. Today is a good day

Shelby admitted before his death the idea of having the 3 way tie photo was his idea and was his biggest regret.

Suddenly had this and a whole bunch of clips from the film promoted to me on KZread, well worth the time! Great video

@GeriatricFan1963

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it is weird how one video can get favoured by the KZread algorithm simply because I released it at the right time. Glad you enjoyed it though!

Great video, this is very informational!

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers, glad to hear that you enjoyed it!

The problem that I have with most historical drama, is that they change history to “dramatise” the events. History is dramatic enough, you don’t have to change it.

@Loulovesspeed

3 жыл бұрын

@L C - Then I would suggest you just stick to documentaries, and forget the historical drama aspect of movies!

@its_kumar_babyyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Loulovesspeed sure but I was also kind of let down and confused as to why make this film at all.

@Loulovesspeed

2 жыл бұрын

@@its_kumar_babyyy - Why were you "let down"? Did you expect something else? Not sure what confused you either. I'm guessing you are not a devotee of motor racing or you wouldn't have said that. Ford vs Ferrari, or as it is titled in Europe, Le Mans '66, was the story of the greatest rivalry in the history of motor racing, and it wasn't between two drivers, but two manufacturers, worlds apart in the types of cars they made and why they made them.

@craigthenf273

2 жыл бұрын

It’s more about cutting the events down to be told in a 2 hour story then just changing to change

This video is easily the best and most accurate summary of facts, particularly the part about Amon leading

@GeriatricFan1963

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I feel like Amon and McLaren's side of the story is all too often overlooked. There are some things were the gaps between cars weren't really kept track of too well, so accounts vary, but I tried to give the most detailed account that I could.

@jackwilson8651

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 excellent stuff. The only really accurate sauce of information, I found, was Motorsport Magazine

You put a LOT of work into making this amazing video. Thank you!

@GeriatricFan1963

2 жыл бұрын

No, thank you for watching it. I actually made this in about a month after seeing the film early just once at the London film Festival, so I'm very proud that it still stands up as well as it does.

As a novice race fan, I really appreciate your video. Thanks!

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

No worries, I'm glad I could make something informative as well as entertaining.

I was disappointed that the movie ignored the Cobra Daytona Coupes which convinced Ford that Shelby could manage a team to victor at Le Mans.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's a major part of the book

@denniswashburn9662

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 I AGREE BECAUSE THE DAYTONA COUPE WON LE MANS IN ITS CLASS IN 64

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@@denniswashburn9662 - And it won the World Manufacturers Championship in '65 - the only American built car to do so to this date! 🤠🏆🏁🏅

Fantastic! Thank you for posting.

Man great video - thanks for taking the time to put this together!

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

No worries; it was tough because I released this just before the film officially came out, so all I had to work with were trailers and preview clips from chat shows, etc. I have since actually bought and ripped the Blu-ray with the intention of doing a video on all the deleted scenes from the shooting script.

@mathurinbeatzman

4 жыл бұрын

Edward Hunter that would be a great video. And to put this together with such little to pull from is pretty impressive! I’ll subscribe so I don’t miss out on the new stuff 👍

Good movie, I watched with a mindset knowing everything is a fabrication and shouldn't take it too serious. Just a life of petrolheads doing what they do best to achieve their life goals. And that was all enough for this movie to be good.

No wonder Miles wife was happy after hearing he would get $200 a day plus expenses, that is a lot of money back then & would be over $1,500 a day in todays money!

Definitely the best video on the subject, thanks for sharing.

@GeriatricFan1963

2 жыл бұрын

No worries, glad you enjoyed it.

Learned a lot. Thank you

That senna prost clip always makes me smile!

mustang, everything you can ask for, on a secretary salary. lmao

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, probably not the sort of advert Ford would make today, and for good reason...

amazingly informative video, thank you so much.

fantastic job here mate keep it up!

More than a few liberties with this film but it only goes to show that reality is far more entrancing.

Chris Amon, widely regarded as one of the best F1 drivers never to win a championship Grand Prix. It's hard to believe (and is widely unknown within the general New Zealand population) that at one point, we had basically the top 3 F1 champions all from our little pacific Island(s) and all those 3 were in the 2 top cars in this race... Amon, Mclaren, and Denny Hulme who was .. you know... the one who was the OTHER driver with Ken Miles.... The one that drove half the race...) Just like the lack of recognition you see for Ivan Mauger, considered to be the best speedway rider ever. Fairly much, if it isn't Rugby/cricket, it isn't worth airtime... I remember back in the 90's I tuned into the last minutes of the National TV news to hear "And in other news, Aaron Slight won the latest round of the world superbike championship, now for the weather..." We are a little country (5m) and generally like to be a little understated... but we still like our heroes and to see 2 greats like Amon and Mclaren get such a little part when they played quite a big part of Ford's GT race scene does grate a little...

@kadasrichard

3 жыл бұрын

Chris Amon was a great racer, but he had horrible luck trough his career. I think Mario Andretti said about him,that if Amon would have been an undertaker, people would stop dying. Anyway, you New Zealenders can be proud of your great racers and racing history.

@TheButlerNZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@kadasrichard Funny thing is so many of our great stars are barely known by most NZ'ers Speedway was once one of the greatest sports on the planet... Ivan Mauger was 6 times World Champion... Probably no one under 40 in NZ would have a clue who he was.... (and if theu read the name they wouldn't realize its sorta pronounced "Major" so would have even less. Oh and I turned to the sport news years ago just to se the end... "blah blah blah... And in other news, Arron Slight won the latest round of the world superbike championships.. now the weather".. Like it was as important as a street light out on east nowhere street...

@kadasrichard

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheButlerNZ Ivan Maguer used to come to a few races in my hometown Speedway, he was certainly one of the best Speedway riders. It always fascinated me, that with such small population, New Zealend gave and continues to give great athletes to the sporting world, the likes of Bruce McLaren, Chris Amon and Jonah Lomu way back, Scott Dixon and Scott McLoughlin now. Some great boxers like David Tua and Joseph Parker.

@TheButlerNZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@kadasrichard Maybe because we have parks and rivers and the sea and hills and more all at most of our fingertips... life isn't bad, generally everyone is friendly, tou can do almost anything... so you can get a chance to find something your good at. Then there's people like Burt Munro (Worlds fastest Indian)... the movie was like a small chapter of the book. Dad used to tell me of a guy making pistons in baked bean cans for his bike... Unfortunately the world is writing a million rules that stop what we term "#8" mentality... (you can make anything given some duct tape and a length of #8 fence wire... Funny thing... I got a friends bike back 200k after a throttle cable broke.. by wiring the return cable to the pull... with a half heart necklace, some duct tape... and literally a rusty bit of #8 fence wire from a ditch in the middle of the Nth Island...

@geraldgamache1039

6 ай бұрын

Don't forget Bob Mclain kiwi driver who moved to Canada's west coast. He ran a gas station in Vancouver and did lots of racing at westwood race track. Died in67 i think at sebring in a GT40 for Comstock racing

Great video. Thanks!

Man this was such an amazing video.

Where did you find that footage of Miles at Sebring? This is only the second time I've heard his voice since watching the film.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

MexicanBagpiper96 I searched around and found some old news clips from I think NBC sports and a few others. Some of them were washed out and had this red filter. As soon as I saw the “What’s next for you?” “Le Mans.” bit, I knew I had to fit it into the video somewhere, because the way he says that is so cool and matter of fact, and it really shows why they chose to immortalise Ken Miles in this movie. I also really liked the clip from Sebring of Shelby banging his pit board with a hammer, begging Miles to back off.

One of my grievances with the film were the cockpit scenes. For example the camera highlights Ken downshifting then shows the tachometer which should gain RPM but shows it dropping before climbing. The other is while on the Mulsanne straight where he "punches" the throttle pedal from a throttle position that is absolutely wrong for the place he was on the track and the situation during the race. I get that it is dramatically effective for non-enthusiasts but the real enthusiasts were most likely a major portion of ticket sales.

Excellent work, thanks for the education

Fantastico video! veramente emozionante!! immagini e video d'epoca veramente spettacolari! onore per questi eroi

3 kiwis in the top cars at the front of the grid. That deserves it own movie

@Miatacrosser

4 жыл бұрын

No

@Miatacrosser

4 жыл бұрын

@Joe Cool you don't know. They were told to slow long before the controversy came up. If they had let them race, I think maybe Bruce and Chris could've held on but of the four drivers, Miles was the fastest so who knows if either would've finished and we'd be celebrating an All-American victory one year earlier than we did.

@tonyrata4796

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe we can get Taika Waititi to direct,that would be cool!!!!

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Tony Rata I think Taika could easily do an amazing dramatic/comedic biopic just about Chris Amon’s entire career and how it was plagued by bad luck. The move to Ferrari for 1967 should have been his big break, but instead it turned into a disaster. He even created his own team Amon and the jinx still followed him around!

@BrickNewton

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 If you haven't seen this check it out, and gives an insight into the beginning of the shape of the front of the GT40: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qWeYzdmRd8SrhKg.html

Pretty sure the picture of Miles' crash when he died is actually Bruce McLaren's crash at Goodwood.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, there wasn't any footage to really use for the Miles crash. TBH showing some tyre tracks was the best I could really come up with.

@gabrieljohannson6777

4 жыл бұрын

If so that is IMO disrespectful to Mr McLaren. The man should not have his death commercialised in such a shit house way in a shit house movie. Respect to you Mark Gerrard.

@noogie003

4 жыл бұрын

Gabriel Johannson Yeah no, barley anybody outside of the racing world knew about Ken Miles before this movie game out. This movie gives him a legacy the public will remember.

@EfftupSmith

4 жыл бұрын

@@gabrieljohannson6777 No Edward Hunter used a shot of the crash to illustrate his point in the youtube video as there was no photograph of the actual crash to use. Read his comment. The film itself did not use anything related to Bruce's crash.

Regarding Walt Hansgen, he was scheduled to drive the "American Red Ball Special" at the Indy 500 in 1966. Graham Hill was selected to replace the deceased Hansgen and went on to win the race that year.

Great Job! Thank You!!!

Several points throughout this video I kind of wished there were subtitles because it is really hard to hear

A great book that tells the story in it's entirety is "Go Like Hell". Recommend the read if anyone wants to get the complete picture.

@Loulovesspeed

2 жыл бұрын

@Wilson Riley - You are 100% correct on that one!

Fantastic video!

Great video, huge thanks :D

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

No worries, it was fun to make.

Racing in the 60s was my time. I used to call Laguna Seca my home away from home. Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, I remember that at Le Mans 1966 that Dan Gurney had the fastest lap in practice and the fastest lap during the race. I believe that Dan's GT40 blew a head gasket which caused him to fail to finish. Dan was so tall that Shelby had to put a bubble in the car door so that Dan's helmet would fit. My recollection of Leo Beebe is that he had the reputation of being a slimy toad. What we heard at the time was the Beebe thought Ken was too old and too ugly to represent Ford. Ken was 48 in 1966, and if you look at a photograph of Ken, he had a very prominent nose and a very protruding chin. The Ferrari P2 and P3 were great cars for shorter races, but they never finished a 24 hour race. The greatly improved P4 was able to finish second at the 1967 Le Mans race, behind a Ford Mk. 4. At Le Mans in 1965, 1966, and 1967, a Ferrari 275GTB came in first in the GT class.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

JAG312 That’s true; Miles had impressive pace early in the race when fighting back from his door issue, but it was Gurney who took the fastest lap in the race; Miles I think recorded the highest speed in Le Mans history to that point down the straight, but he didn’t match Gurney’s best lap. (The film does not really make a clear distinction between the two) I also agree with you that Beebe may have disliked Miles for reasons other than his on-track performance; in the film they make it clear that although Miles is a naturalised U.S. citizen, Beebe is very patriotic and does not see Miles as “All American” like he does Gurney, Richie Ginther and Phil Hill, who were all born and raised in the States; I think Beebe would have preferred that Gurney/Grant had won, but between Miles/Hulme and McLaren/Amon, I suspect he had a tough time choosing, which is one of the many reasons why he floated the Dead Heat. And yes, the P3 was an awesome car; had Ferrari’s team manager not fallen out with John Surtees then I think we’d have seen him instead of Bandini taking on Miles in this film, since Surtees was an F1 champion and the most well-known Ferrari driver of the era. (Other than maybe Phil Hill) I would love to someday see a Ferrari biopic cover their POV of the Ford rivalry; Enzo is a compelling and enigmatic figure and for what little he is in this film, he is used very effectively.

@bigfootjustkilledyou

4 жыл бұрын

You grew up in a hell of a time

@JAG312

4 жыл бұрын

@@bigfootjustkilledyou Damn right. I feel sorry for people who weren't there. Our lives were filled with fun.

@JAG312

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 I watched the movie twice. I watched it alone for the first time. I knew how it would end, and that made me sad. I took my grandson with me the second time. He liked it. When we got home, I showed him some photographs of a real GT40. "Who is that guy in the pictures?" That guy in a blue driving suit would be your grandfather. My grandson borrowed the pictures to show to his friends. I think I am now the coolest grandfather.

@sandyhancock5521

4 жыл бұрын

JAG312 Laguna Seca WAS my home! I was born in Monterey 1959! Used to go there all the time as a kid!👍

As only half the stuff was made up and some of that was re-attributed, it was pretty accurate for a US film. ps The corporate suit vs the driver was going on at Ferrari. Which is why John Surtees didn't drive the race.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. Surtees unfortunately didn't show up in the film besides being mentioned on the radio at one point. (Just before Ford go off for the '65 Le Mans, they hear a report of him dominating at the Nurburgring for Ferrari) I think Il Grande John deserves his own biopic someday, fascinating character and I think his story would attract fans of both motorcycle racing and automobile racing.

@kevinshort3943

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 I assume you have seen the James May Grand Tour GT40 thing ?

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

@@kevinshort3943 I did but only after somebody else posted it. It was decent and the footage of May in the Bucknam/Hutcherson GT40 that placed 3rd is great, but for me the more interesting documentaries show the other side, I.E. McLaren and Amon's perspectives of Miles. Whereas May very much just says: "Ken was robbed", which I find annoying and reductive. (Although admittedly you could also accuse the film of the same thing, but it's a Hollywood biopic, not a documentary)

@gkess7106

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Short FU

@airgliderz

4 жыл бұрын

"For a US film" biggest line of crap written about world wide hugely successful film industry recognized world wide as the best of the best.

Bonus points for the music from the Le Mans movie in the background

That was a fine and balanced commentary.I doth doff my hat in your general direction sirrah or madame? Pax vobis.

one of the best movies of the 2010s, change my mind

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Leo Mathlein it’s certainly one of the best racing/car films, but I would argue that Rush (2013) tops it in my opinion, if only for Daniel Brühl’s tour de force performance as Niki Lauda. Christian Bale is great in Le Mans ‘66, but Brühl is brilliant from start to finish; his performance is so good that Niki’s friends and family thought that it was actually him doing the opening voiceover narration, not an actor!

@davidw1634

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry I can’t

@EfftupSmith

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 I do like both and can't really pick a winner (dead heat lol) but I do get annoyed by the "dead heat" as portaryed in LeMans 66 when everyone knows how it actually looked. Google Lemans 66 and the first page of images shows it directly: www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/flexslider_full/public/slideshow_image/15-ford-gt-1966-le-mans_0.jpg?itok=iIDD98Ad If you watch Niki Lauda's crash in Rush, and then find footage on youtube of the actual crash, it's really hard to see the difference. The film makers worked really hard on getting that right.

@alechall7082

3 жыл бұрын

Heat was a better movie imo, but ford vs ferrari was better eye candy

25:03 That picture is of Bruce McLaren's crash and death.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

There isn't really any footage from Ken Miles' fatal accident scene, so I put in McLaren's from Goodwood.

@Runner_in_the_dark

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 Fair enough, good video though.

@psk5746

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 that's just as bad as what Hollywood does ... pity

@Miatacrosser

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 ya they couldn't even film it where it happened today even if they wanted to. What a waste of an historic place. Shoulda' been kept as a monument to the God of Speed.

I grew up with a lot of people who were involved with Ford and Holman & Moody in that era so I was just glad they told the story. I knew it would be a lot of Hollywood. The three big takeaways for me was that H&M didn't get enough credit for what they did with the Mk II, Lorenzo Bandini wasn't the wanker they portrayed, and I kept thinking it looked more like Carroll Shelby playing Matt Damon in a movie.

Nice use of music from the Le Mans movie to set the mood for the first few laps

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers, I love that score. Plus I made this video before the official score for this film was released.

A great video just finished watching this film I know.... a bit late considering this came out end of last year at the time I wasn't convinced it was going to be true to the story as Hollywood tends to change true stories just to make it Hollywood like, so I wasn't going to be interested in going to see it at the cinema. But I watched a documentary a few years ago and the whole documentary was portraying that Ford was the hero and Ferrari were the bad guys which kind of annoyed me being a Ferrari man myself. But in reality, Ford not only did they try to buy out Ferrari but also tried to fool the great man by giving him less sum of money to invest in the racing department which Enzo stated he only wanted to control the racing side. when the negotiations didn't go there way Ford still spent so much money into the Le Man program I couldn't believe how much they did spend to try and beat a team that didn't have much money but had the pedigree in success which Ford struggled to capture. The frustration I had with this film was the lack of effort put in the characters for Ferrari and the driver(s), I felt that Lorenzo Bandini looked like a mafia assassin rather than a racing driver and every time they capture him on the screen it just felt like he looked a bit sinister. But I know this film was dedicated to Ken Miles and Carroll Shelby but I wished the film did show more respect between the drivers at the Le Man race because in real life they all did and some were close friends off the track as they all knew how deadly this sport is and how brave they all were. But if someone who doesn't follow Motorsports I guess as a film was really good to watch but shouldn't films portray the true beauty of such stories like this one I guess depends on the person's opinion.

Bob Lutz; “The longer I worked with carroll shelby, the less I liked him.”

@Whatchamawhozit

3 жыл бұрын

work is work, you're being paid to get a job done. You don't have to like the people. It helps but not required. I hate a lot of the people i work with, but they make solid contributions to our projects and that is what matters in the end.

@sludge4125

3 жыл бұрын

@@Whatchamawhozit Very true.

@Loulovesspeed

3 жыл бұрын

@@Whatchamawhozit - Excellent and valid point, Gary!

Love this video!

Ed great narrative and documentary on the movie. Why do you only have 979 subscribers? I just subscribed. Great work 👍

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

Probably because I don't upload very much. But thank you.

After watching the movie I thought it was incorrectly named it should have been Ford vs Carroll Shelby it seemed to me that Ford hired Shelby then tried to hold him back but that probably just the movie

@Loulovesspeed

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was just the movie! It was Mile's personality and demeanor that scared Ford a bit - too much of a rebel in their eyes, the type that very well could get out of control and threaten the team's success. Some of those feelings were justified, but Ford didn't completely understand Mile's driven determination to win.

Well done McLaren and Amon! Worthy winners!!

Loved the last clip, sealed the whole story.

Enjoyed this very much. Also really enjoyed the movie. Admittedly the omissions of key people made in the film initially irked me. But now I look at it as "The Ken Miles Story" and not so much Ford V Ferrari.

And the race was won by a couple of KIWI BOYS!!!!!! But seriously, Miles co-driver was Denny Hulme, Of the four top drivers across that finish line, they were 75% from New Zealand, 25% English. 0% american. Just what Ford would have wanted. Race must have been fixed.

I prefer a good documentary over a fantasized film that's based on true events. Naturally, the truth is far more dramatic and fascinating in the whole grand scheme of things.

In 1966, my late father and his secretary were finishing dinner at home in Paris when he suggested "Why not go to Le Mans for the race?" whilst my mother served coffee. And they did. Left the dishes in the sink. They arrived a couple of hours into the night (Le Mans is only 200km west from Paris) and Henry Ford II was there, in the pits, a giant man my father recalled giving orders here and there. Quite a sight. They arrived during an accident in the night, not sure which one. Maybe you know?

Nice touch ... putting the music from Steve MacQueen’s LeMans in there.

@GeriatricFan1963

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers, I was glad a few people noticed that. It's the 50th anniversary of that film this year.

@TheFarCobra

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 I have watched the film a bunch of times ... but I have watched the race start scene more times than I can count. The moment when the 25 car passes Steve MacQueen down Mulsanne ... and again coming across start finish ... that noise sends a shiver down my spine every single time. It also means that that music plays in my head when I am driving on track.

watch movies to be entertained, you watch documentaries to be informed.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Fair enough. But what if in the course of making entertainment you misrepresent or even vilify real life figures? (This happens in documentaries too by the way; Alain Prost believes to this day that the Senna documentary was edited in a way which made him look like an evil bastard) Of course real life has to be told in an accessible way, but personally I feel the treatment of Beebe here is a bit much.

@EfftupSmith

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 I think it does. Prost gets an undeserved bad rep these days. I do agree with you. A film is meant to entertain you, but people wioll watch a film like this and assume it's correct and not bother to watch a documentary to get properly informed. i tihnk Rush did a better job of this, because Neither Hunt or Lauda were actually portrayed as the bad guy. they just had different styles. It's also a reason I really like LeMans too. The rivavlry is a proper and realistic rivavlry between the drivers, unlike Driven.

In isolation, it's a great movie and a wonderful depiction of endurance racing and engineering. It doesn't bother me that they edit certain events for dramatic purposes. The unkind depictions of several rel people is somewhat upsetting however. The depiction of Leo Beebe is frankly insulting and I'm sure any surviving family of his will have been horrified by the film since this will be how the younger generation remembers him. In addition, the depictions of the other drivers was rather unfair. Hansgen and Bandini are shown as being aggressive and/or unpleasant while personal accounts suggest otherwise. On top of this, the film makes it seem like Miles is the only driver who is capable of developing the car and driving it without destroying it. In reality, his teammate at Le Mans was Denny Hulme, an F1 world champion. McLaren in particular is made to seem like a corporate yes man who is significantly inferior to Miles in all aspects. In reality he was one of the most important men in the history of motor racing, both as a driver (he held the record as youngest GP winner for more than 50 years) and as an engineer (the team he founded is among the most successful F1 teams in history and is widely viewed as Ferrari's biggest rival in all motorsport).

@GeriatricFan1963

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you on most points, with the exception of Bandini and Bruce McLaren, who is barely in the film and shares one line with Ken at the end after winning. Bandini is shown to be a match for Miles in wheel-to-wheel battles; yes, they do cut to him making some villainous smirks at Ken's misfortune, but he never does anything all that dirty. Walt Hansgen on the other hand is done kind of dirty by the film and I feel like the biggest disrespect is not even mentioning Hansgen's fatal crash in the build up to Le Mans. I can understand why having basically made him the antagonist, the film can't suddenly ask us to care about his death, but for me they could have used it to at least show Ken's empathy for his fellow drivers, as well as foreshadowing his own fatal crash at the end of the film.

@robs7163

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 Thanks for the reply. I am probably being a little overly critical and I realise that they couldn't have given huge amounts of screen time to the other drivers without ruining the pacing. I am probably inferring too much regarding the character of the drivers from very little information. I think my biggest issue was how the team falls apart without Miles present. That implies that the other drivers were below his level when Hulme, Amon and McLaren were all elite drivers and McLaren at least was an exceptional mechanic. I only watched it recently so it's all very fresh my mind and I felt like venting a little. Apologies for the hassle, I really do appreciate getting such an eloquent reply.

I don't care about the movie...although it's what brought me here...thank you for making an accurate and true version of it to help me understand the history behind this historic moment

@aqeelraja4750

2 жыл бұрын

Why lol? The movies great😂

Thank you for warning about spoilers. I'll comeback to watch another time

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Arthur cheers Arthur, like I said it’s more rewarding to go in blind. I knew a fair bit of the story going in (I read the book Go like Hell a few years ago which details the story from both Ford and Ferrari’s POV’s) and when I saw the film for the first time, there were one or two moments where I expected them to cover something and then they almost completely glossed over it, which I’m not sure if it’s a failing of the movie or if I had the wrong expectations.

@Arthur_da_dog

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 interesting, thankfully I dont have much knowledge about the story (or maybe I do and don't remember, my memory isn't good enough to know) so I think itll be an interesting view!

@Miatacrosser

4 жыл бұрын

@@Arthur_da_dog go rent it at a Redbox for $2 and watch it already. Spoiler alerts should not count this far after it's release

@Miatacrosser

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 ya cause if you know the REAL STORY cause you were a 14 year old FORD racing fan in 1966. You are not gonna like what hollyweird did to the greatest American acheivement in motorsports. So ya, go in blind and learn more faux-history from the silver screen.

@Arthur_da_dog

4 жыл бұрын

@@Miatacrosser haven't had the time. My schedule is pretty much jam packed.

25:01 - Isn’t that Mclaren’s fatal accident when he was testing his new Can-Am car at Goodwood?

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

It is... For me it was the closest footage I could find without resorting to stock footage, which is something I am very resistant to.

@Monty-in-gumboots

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 kind of appropriate as there is something about these 2 fatal crashes that echoes and not just the tragedy aspect of losing these 2 motorsport legends.

The movie leaves you with the impression that the GT40 was developed by Ford entirely. There is no mention of the fact that the original car was developed by Lola in England.

@GeriatricFan1963

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Carr Eric Broadley does show up in the film and he helps implement the more powerful 7 litre engine into a prototype GT40, but it’s never really explained that he is the original designer, or his role working for Lola. We also hear Shelby mention that the car “Just arrived off the plane from England” when Shelby first shows Miles the car. So it’s there but it’s kind of glossed over.

@alecmnatzakanian5246

4 жыл бұрын

Well they unveil it for the first time at LAX, saying that the car was just shipped in by their friends in the UK

@chriscarr9871

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeriatricFan1963 When I say "leaves you with the impression", I'm referring to the postscript at the end of the movie which says something like it is the 1st time an all American car won at Le Mans. At least someone else seems to get my point. "For all the publicity extolling the virtues of Ford, the fact is that while the GT40 did use a homegrown V8, the chassis was designed and built in England, based on the British Lola Mk6." Michael S. Goldberger (iBerkshires Film Critic)

@chriscarr9871

4 жыл бұрын

@@alecmnatzakanian5246 When I say "leaves you with the impression", I'm referring to the postscript at the end of the movie which says something like it is the 1st time an all American car won at Le Mans. At least someone else seems to get my point. "For all the publicity extolling the virtues of Ford, the fact is that while the GT40 did use a homegrown V8, the chassis was designed and built in England, based on the British Lola Mk6." Michael S. Goldberger (iBerkshires Film Critic)

@alecmnatzakanian5246

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Carr ohhh now I get what you mean. They make it sound like this was a marvel of American engineering even though there was truly an international effort behind it.

Nice work

I read on another YT comments section, so this might be wrong, but there was an IBM computer doing the timing for the race. When it rained, water got into the system and shorted it all out. When they went to the race officials they consulted with the Italian officials who were also timing the race with stopwatches and used their data to reset the computers. According to the Italians the Ferraris were a lap ahead of where IBM had thought they were, but being an American company, IBM kept the timesheets as they thought they should be.