The heartwarming feel good story of how corporate America crushed a small Italian family run race team.

The Ford vs Ferrari movie wasn't really about winning Le Mans. It was about Shelby, Ford and Miles.

@d.e.b.b5788

2 жыл бұрын

But at it's heart, it was about Henry the Deuce, and Enzo, and how each despised the other.

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Ford would insult the Old Man.... His Italian PRIDE! FIAT was the obvious winner....sooner or later.... History!

@jeangenibrel2149

2 жыл бұрын

At the end of the day, it's people who win races, not the cars.

@d.e.b.b5788

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeangenibrel2149 To a certain point, yes. BUT.... when George Russell got a Mercedes ride for one race while Bottas was out, all of a sudden he was on pole. Back in his old, substandard ride, he's at the back of the grid again. We've seen this time and time again in F1; where a driver suddenly becomes all conquering in a top of the line car. Mark Webber went from an also ran, to winning F1 races when the Red Bull cars became the top rides in the F1 series for 4 years. Nico Rosberg won a championship in a Mercedes after winning NOTHING for a very long time in other cars. It has to be both car, and driver. If either isn't up to the task, no wins.

@kvltizt

2 жыл бұрын

It was a lot of different things colliding to make a hell of a story.

I was amazed that non-car-loving people still thoroughly enjoyed Ford v Ferrari.

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Shelby's Fish Stories SELL!

@racerbmwm3

2 жыл бұрын

@@375GTB ⁰⁰

@stephendrew4683

2 жыл бұрын

It is a great story, and the film is so well made

@saveourrivers

2 жыл бұрын

I wasn't. A big part of the story was the office politics at Ford, and how their focus was all about image rather than producing quality automobiles.

@plantfeeder6677

2 жыл бұрын

Ya considering the only thing Hollyweird got correct is that Ford won the race and trust me the commies would've changed that if all the people that were alive then were already dead.

Rip Ken Miles a legend that never surfaced.

@whirledpeas3477

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, he has always cared about you, lol

A movie about Dan Gurney should be made.

@beagle7622

2 жыл бұрын

It was a disappointment of that film how they completely disregarded people like Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme, McLaren & so on . Even the 2 other Ford teams.

@cdjhyoung

2 жыл бұрын

@@beagle7622 I was too. But how many of these great personalities can you really do justice to in one film? I was glad that Pete Remington got some front line recognition: in movie about racers and money men, it is rare that the guys spinning the wrenches would get any mention.

@chrishamilton2559

2 жыл бұрын

Damn right.

@chrishamilton2559

2 жыл бұрын

@@cdjhyoung Phil. Too many guys got left out though

@cdjhyoung

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrishamilton2559 Agreed. But if you try to do a movie that has a cast of thousands, you end up with a movie about no one.

We can't get enough of this, there has to be a sequel.

Motor racing had five brilliant drivers who never won world titles, but it matters not; Tazio Nuvolari, Stirling Moss, Dan Gurney, Ronnie Peterson, and Gilles Villeneuve. In adition, there were drivers like Montoya, Massa, Cévert, Ickx, and Reutmann, who fit the bill. Sometimes, titles and victories mean very little, as we have learned about Ken Miles.

@chuala428

Жыл бұрын

Nuvolari never raced in F1

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@@chuala428 - Who said anything about F1? In any event, Nuvolari raced in GP racing, the predecessor of F1. Nuvolari was one of, if not the greatest, GP drivers of his time. In 1935, he humbled the much more advanced German GP teams with his out dated, under powered Alfa Romeo in the 1935 German Grand Prix.

They really need to make a film about the '64 '65 GT class and the Cobra Daytona Coupe.

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Along with the competition The Ferrari 275GTB-C Winning the 1964 FIA GT Championship.... not contested in full by Shelby... Wining the 1965 GT Class at Le Mans, behind the 2 250 LM Sports Prototypes Overall winners from NART USA and Belgium Factory Ferrari P2's, and the Ford GT-40s having succumbed to various ills.. LAST of 9 Ferrari wins on the Sarthe Circuit... 1949 -1965... FORZA FERRARI J.C.

@rchoper21

2 жыл бұрын

Hope the sucess of Ford vs Ferrari inspires Hollywood to make more high quality racing movies, soo many great stories yet to tell!

@kcsnow9447

2 жыл бұрын

@@375GTB Well...yeah. But the problem there is that many of the highlights of THAT film would be missing. Highlights like Masten Gregory in an open cockpit car, standing up before an oncoming accident and abandoning his car at ridiculously high speeds.......................... :D Bailing out and rolling along the pavement or berm for a while, followed by multiple applications of...."Bactine."............................. ["Bactine. It makes the hurt stop hurting...".] It would make Masten's and Jochen's win in '65 in the Ferrari 350 LM seem rather anti-climactic by comparison. :D

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

That was: NART 250LM #5893 Still a top 10 places contender in 1969... As was David Pipers green LM... Only reliability... About the same number of laps each of the 24 Hours they were entered in. 1965 -1969 Barring at DNF or two... Same with the 275GTB-C In those years... ......... ArchieScott-Brown PERFECTED Bailing from hopelessly out of shape open racing sports cars.... Until he didn't.... Killing himself at Spa, in his Lister "Knobby" Jaguar History.. Not arguments from the peanut gallery.... J.C.

@JohnT-ii5od

2 жыл бұрын

@@rchoper21 RUSH was in fact a lot better as a race movie

The Ford GT40 Mk. IV is my favorite car ever, and I love the awesome story with two of my childhood heroes winning in an All American effort.

@louieflash7190

2 жыл бұрын

It truly was at the time and still is a beautiful car.

@BobbyOfEarth

2 жыл бұрын

​@@375GTB Seems pointless to marginalize Ford's four continuous years of dominance over Ferrari at La Mans, an embarrassment that could have lasted decades ..if Ford had a mind to do so. Then 50 yrs later in 2016, Ford proved again that American engineering was the pinnacle of motor sports racing when Ford took the new Ford GT back to La Mans, and with a tiny 3.5L engine, Ford smoked Ferrari's $500 million 488 GTE.

@traxiii

2 жыл бұрын

@@375GTB The GT40 Mk IV was an entirely different car, built in the U.S. not U.K. but was still considered a GT40, and is referred to by some as simply the Mark IV. Like the Lincoln Continentals which are all Continentals, though at times share not much but the name, they too are Mark I, Mark II, etc. none of which share anything in common with the last Mark VIII.

@philgiglio7922

2 жыл бұрын

The car was at the Amelia Island Concours event some 20 years ago, along with Dan's Spa winning Eagle and the Ferrari Daytona from the first Cnnonball.

@traxiii

2 жыл бұрын

@@philgiglio7922 Pretty sure the 1967 Le Mans winning GT40 Mk. IV is still at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI. in unrestored, as raced by A.J. and Dan condition.

After the success of Ford V. Ferrari, they should make more motorsport movies. One about Prost and Sennas rivalry, Tazio Nuvolari winning the German Grand Prix, Dan Gurney... there’s countless stories that need to be shared.

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

RUSH did that job, well enough.... As did Steve's Le Mans of 1970... And much more accurate to history.. J.C.

@jannadrielcervo7753

2 жыл бұрын

@@375GTB TBH, Steve McQueen's Le Mans is boring to non-motorsports fans. Only true motorsports fans and petrolheads will appreciate it. Same as the 1966 Grand Prix film. Most of the flock are better off watching the Fast and Furious series.

@davidgalinat4257

2 жыл бұрын

There is a movie about Senna vs. Prost, called "Senna."

@B-A-L

2 жыл бұрын

Forget Senna vs Prost, the real story is Villeneuve vs Pironi!

Great video ... thank you.

They could do a Ford vs. Ferrari part 2 and put little pieces of Ken Miles in it with Shelby. There was things they left out about Ken with certain races that can be used in part 2. That'll be nice and cool. There was a couple of races that part 1 didn't have.

FANTASTIC! Thank you so much for your time and effort to bring this video to us. FvF II Oh Hell Yes!! I do believe that if done correctly it would be just as awesome or maybe better than FvF !! I am a "couple" of years passed 50 I own a total of 5 movies. FvF is one of them ("On Golden Pond" another). I am already excited as heck! I hope a Unicorn has a baby and it is called FvF II. Be happy, be safe.

Love it! Now that's what 'passion' in motorsports is all about, bravo!

Damn I hope they make a sequel.

Great video

Great post! A wake-up call.

Just love watching old footage of Le Mans, when it was a proper race before it became sanitised

Awsome engineering accomplishment! Phenomenonal triple win," Hat-trick trifecta" sporting achievement!! Total business commitment! Never to be repeated in the modern era . And a,wonderful story of the Human condition!!

Dan Gurney could well have been world champion in 1966 if he had stayed with Brabham and not gone off to build his own car. Of course, the Eagle is one of the most beautiful F1 cars of all time, but reliability was not one of its strengths.

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Truly! Harry Weslake was a great tuner of Jaguars... And made a wonderful set of heads for the 289/302/351 CID Fords Solving the blown head gasket problems of 1963 -1966 By introducing O-Rings for each cylinder, initially for John Weyr.. Then 3 valve heads for Gurney's Indy Eagle stock blockers BUT his old ex-WWI Rolls Royce lathes and milling machines With poor QC, were not up to producing the interchangeable parts needed in real would F-1 racing. AND the V-12 Weslake engines were too heavy. Not having Cosworth's thin wall casting techniques, inherited from FOMOCO... Ferrari, and Honda would also produce too heavy V-12s... BRM's V-12s would do better, WITH the Weslake V-12 4 valve combustion chamber designs Close to Cosworths... BRM would pay off Dan's Weslake debts to get them.... BUT BRM lost the two years wasted on the H-16 atrocity..... Never mind the wasted money on the H-16 disaster... BRM would slowly end, as seen in RUSH! It need not have been.... SAD! J.C.

as someone that used to watch racing many many years ago, gurney was amazing and it was great that he had A J with him on the win,

Good movie it was. Love the idea of a more car focused sequel. 👍

The Frenchman was biased towards Ferrari. I don't care if a car is more beautiful, if it didn't win the race, it didn't win the race. It's not a bleeping Beauty pageant contest.

@monarols4806

2 жыл бұрын

Wow. Amongst enthusiasts the Eagle Westlake of Dan Gurney is considered the most beautiful F1 car of the era. However, it only won one race. The Repco Brabham with Denny Hulme won the Championship in 1967. So what you say is the Eagle is ugly because it didn’t win the Championship but the stubby Brabham is the most beautiful car. Cool Bananas. Oh, and the Lotus 49 which was introduced that year is also ugly, but became beautiful the next year

@sympathiser_of_Germans_in_40s

2 жыл бұрын

It actually won the constructors

@pablodono7227

2 жыл бұрын

In many sports (chess included) there are Beaty prizes.. So I don't think he was biased

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

FAHRT!

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Aren't these Kiddies amusing!! Know nothing of Daytona 1967 330P4s BUT 1st Class Movie Experts (-8D J.C.

Amazing vid

Duct taping the rear bodywork in place . . . The yellow MkIV (Mark Donahue) lost it's rear bodywork. He managed to prop it onto the car and limp back to the pits where it was duct taped in place. As a precaution the bodywork on the Gurney/Foyt car also received the duct tape treatment.

After the 67 race the rules were changed to outlaw the Ford GTs but the John Wyre run Gt40s were to win the next 2 years giving Ford 4 in a row

@john1703

2 жыл бұрын

Then Porsche 917s in 70 & 71. It took until 1972 for the F1 engined Matras to win, as the rule changers intended.

@noneone8726

2 жыл бұрын

@@john1703 What's not to love about cars? Vroom Vroom Daddy! Look how big my PENIS is, how shiny and fast it is! Noise, pollution, death, waste, greed, arrogance. Freedom? Control? Car payments, Depreciation, Maintenance, Oil, Belts, Antifreeze, Gas, Accidents, Speeding and Parking Tickets, Breakdowns, Repairs, Insurance, Fees for plates, license, registration. Pollution. Not just emissions, but runoff from tires that poisons water forever, literal mountains of used tires that routinely catch on fire. Not to mention Billions wasted in taxes to pay the US military to guard the overseas oil supply. Grotesquely huge burden to maintain the wasteful highway system instead of simply moving goods by rail and canal, as it was done before the gas monkey greed rapists in Detroit began their con game lies. Hours of life wasted sitting in traffic jams. At the mercy of the stupidest and most unsafe driver on the road beside you. 99 percent of the time sits there doing nothing but losing value, while you are at work or home. So grotesquely inefficient that more of a gallon of gas is used up in waste heat than gets turned into useful motive energy. Why do you think it has a radiator? Alternative? Design living spaces that do not require cars. Bring things to people, do not force people to pay to waste time, money and resources chasing things in their little tin ego boxes. Work, Live, Shop and Play all within walking distance, and use subway, taxi, and train.

@fido139

2 жыл бұрын

Proving that when you can't win, change the rules. You know, like DemocRATS.

@gcrav

2 жыл бұрын

@@fido139 The 68 rules took affected Ferrari worse than they did Ford. The Mk IIs could be entered as production cars while the Ferraris couldn't.

@louieflash7190

2 жыл бұрын

@@fido139 In some cases just ignore the rules.

Need Part 2!

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Ferrari's 1967 Daytona 24 REVENGE! 1-2-3 as in my picture to the left, here... Amon / Bandini SEFAC Parkes / Scarifiotii SEFAC Rodriguez / Guichet NART The Mk. IIs all broke their new Kar Kraft transaxles Bad heat treating. A privateer GT-40 and McLaren's pieced together Mk. II were 7th and 8th OA I was there Behind the flagman Jumping up and down! J.C.

I reckon what came next was even better, with FORD GT40 chassis 1075 being the only car to ever win back to back at the 24hours of Le Mans !!

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Various Ferrari Testa Rossa's won Le Mans 1958 1960 1961 1962 1963 No one paid much attention to Chassis numbers, back then... THAT is a Collectors interest, TODAY.... TRIVIA J.C.

@julian2626

2 жыл бұрын

Porsche won back to back with the 919 Hybrid

@MegaStephen68

2 жыл бұрын

@@375GTB , Ferrari won 5 in a row from 1960 to 1964 and a privateer Ferrari won it in 1965.

@davidthayer6969

2 жыл бұрын

dont forget, FORD POWER got two more wins, in 1975 and 1980.

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@@MegaStephen68 He was referring to the fact that the exact same car, chassis #1075, won both '68 and '69. It was not the only example of that happening though - Joest Porsche won back to back with the same chassis # in '84 and '85 and in '96 and '97.

I had an HO racing track in the 60s. Came with a GT40 and a Ferrari. The GT40 was faster but not as stable on turns. The Ferrari slower, but hung on like glue in the turns. If you could keep the Ford from flipping, it would win. I bought other cars for it, each having their idiosyncrasies but none held the track like the Ferrari.

How do people claim that Miles/Hulme won the Le Mans when the actual video of the finish showed him in 2nd place at the line . Bruce did not suddenly speed up . Miles backed off slightly . Le Mans was a timed race the rules said the win was the car that was in front at exactly 4pm . Denis Jenkinson a well known said in his magazines race report that at 4pm the cars were 2/3 around the final lap & that Miles was in front at that moment. That according to Jenkinson was what the controversy was about.

2:11 damn that's tough, that's tough..

One of the commentators keeps talking about the P4.....(They were quite nice, but...) The Ford Mk IV is one of the most magnificent and beautiful cars ever built! They definitely should make a sequel about this race! "FORD VS FERRARI II"!

Intelligent and intensely competitive personalities made for probably some of the most interesting and unique characters in the world back then, all converging on the City of the Cenomani for a game of endurance. To be at La Mans in June, whether it be in one capacity or another is to know that you are certainly alive and well.

Yes a sequel would be awesome

A sequel is certainly possible.. include Miles’s death, tell the 1967 winning story.. then fast forward 50yrs.. Ford shocks the world with the new Ford GT, vowed to win Le Mans in 2016 and succeeds.. case closed

They had no Ken Miles... That's what Ford needed.. Shelby brought the best out of Ken...

They could turn this into a trilogy!

@Jeremy5speed

Жыл бұрын

@@jacksmith6015 in 70 I mean 66 Ford V Ferrari, part 67 2 Ford v the rules, pt 3 , 69 Ford v Porsche!

Who would we get to play Gurney? No actor I can think off would fill the huge shoes Dan left. Gurney also finished 2nd at Indy that year in a stock block Eagle, and the winner was Bobby Unser in an Offy powered Eagle. It was a very good year for Dan.

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@Phil Giglio - How about Jim Carrey? Lol 🤪

I started in the sixties saying: "There oughta be a movie! "

I still like the original gt40 (1964?), sweet looking hotrod.

No mention that the MkIIb was faster in qualifying than the Mk4 but Ford had them moved back in the grid if only for the press startline photos. -U10

@GenotheViking

2 жыл бұрын

Tell us your source. Never heard of this. Thanks

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

B.S.!

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Truly! Just Google World Sports Car Champion Ship for any year and race in question

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

FAHRT!

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@@GenotheViking - He wouldn't reveal his source as it would be embarrassing to admit it came from his backside! Lol

When the sequal gets filmed, do it (filmed) the beginning at Daytona not use Auto Club Speedway for correct history.

Damien Lewis would be perfect to play Dan Gurney. They look so much alike it's actually crazy

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

Agree! He's only 6"1" while Gurney was 6'4", but Matt Damon is considerably shorter than Shelby was and it worked OK.

i wish Carroll Shelby was still alive to watch the movie and give his two cents about it.

What happened next? Ford enjoyed a couple of years until Porsche came to the scene. Porsche dominance. Tho I'd love to see a 67 story in the movies

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Porsche 907, 910, and 908 were ready for 1968, 1969 Wining 1968 Daytona 24 with the 907 2.2 liter 8... 908s had problems '68 and '69 Penske Sunoco Lola T-70 M.III would win 1969 Daytona 24 Gulf Ford GT-40s would have their own reliability issues... Ferrari would return for Sebring with the lone 312P Spyder... A close fought battle... One of the best! The heavier 312P coupes did not fair so well in Europe. Ferrari would concentrate on producing 25 512S's for 1970.... J.C.

@martsmarts

2 жыл бұрын

@@375GTB awesome! Thanks for sharing. If I recall the last 2 GT40 victories in Le Mans were no longer Ford USA but were runned by a British Team

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Gulf-Wyer both years. Then Wyer went with Porsche for 1970. The GT-40 was done Finally obsolete. Gulf Wyer Porsche 917K (Kurtz) cars won many races, After SEFAC Ferrari's 1970 12Hours of Sebring win with the 512S of Mario Andretti But never at Le Mans, unlike in Steve's movie. Made after the 1970 race. Le Mans 1970 and 1971 were won by Stuttgart's own 236 mph. "Lang Hock" 917LH factory cars... History.... J.C.

@azul93gt38

2 жыл бұрын

Ford Mark IV's were made illegal. Private teams campaigned obsolete Mark II's and still won 2 more for 4 in a row.

@Frank289100

2 жыл бұрын

@@375GTB FORD WON LEMAN'S IN 1966, AGAIN IN 1967. AGAIN IN 1968. AGAIN IN 1969. FOR THE 1970 LEMANS BANNED FORD AND TOLD THEM NOT TO F##KING COME BACK HERE. THIS IS THE REASON PORCHE WON.

Peter Miles for FvF 2

Nice

I am not a sequel kind of guy… but the ‘67 based le mond story would be great!

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

"Le Mans"😁

What this doesn't say is that the issue with the Ford cars at Daytona was improperly heat treated trans input shafts breaking The 67 cars were so far ahead that they had no worries about Ferrari just so you know, and if the multiple Ford cars had not crashed together from human errors early in the race Ferrari more than likely would have struggled to stay in the top 6 finishing spots. All after Ferrari nearly spent his company into absolute default to try to beat Ford that year specifically, with an all new car against the Ford designs that were 1963-65 based. And these designs from these firms in the early and mid 60's basically changed all this type of racing all the way until the late 70's and early 80's. Amazing time with amazing people doing crazy amazing things.

Yes make another .

An even better sequel would be 69 with the outdated GT40s vs the Porsche 917s in the closest competitive finish ever at Le Mans

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@Mark Simpson - You do realize that Ford Motor Co had absolutely no involvement in the development of the 1969 car or its racing team? John Wyer, formerly involved with the Ford GT project, bought the manufacturing rights as well as the European racing team from Ford and put together the 68' and 69' winner. Ford's involvement ended in 1967.

@marksimpson2689

Жыл бұрын

@@Loulovesspeed true although after reading John Wyeth book he did get some back door support from Ford

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@@marksimpson2689 Yes, Wyer received some monetary incentives from Ford. Even though Ford sold the manufacturing rights as well as the European racing team to Wyer, the Ford name was still on the cars.

I DK if a sequel will work, I’d sure watch it but the reason that it had mass appeal was because of the politics and the relationships drama not the race itself

The 1967 Le Mans winning Ford was designated "Mark IV" only. It never carried the GT-40 designation because it was not a continuation car. It was a redesign of the Ford J Car which began as a styling exercise. Ford's corporate ego was so out of control several drivers had to be killed testing before they begrudgingly accepted the aerodynamics were no good like everyone was telling them. Once corrected, they were only ever raced at Sebring & Le Mans, winning both. The biggest reason Ford came back & ran the second year was because they were slammed for taking all the credit. What became the Ford GT was started out in England by Lola before Ford bought the Lola GT program from them. A major part of the development was done by Ford of England in a number of shops. It was after a lot of failures & problems that Ford US took over the program and put it in Shelby's hands. After the '66 Le Mans win it was heavily slammed by the European press as not being an all-american win. Company President Henry Ford II right then and there declared they would win an All American victory, which they did. Perhaps the biggest factor of that was AJ Foyt who was one helluva road racer. He'd never seen Le Mans before, flew into France, climbed into the Mark IV, and after some practice, with Dan Gurney co-driving, blew their doors off. The cars were retired from racing after that. They have since run in Vintage car races.

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

AJ was smart enough to take Dan's advice about winning at endurance racing As AJ can tell you, himself.... Daniel Sexton Gurney began racing Ferraris in the early 1950s Often with fellow CA driver, and Douglas Aviation aerodynamics engineer Ritchie Ginther... ( Ginther added the duck tail spoiler to the 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO... with a pair of tin snips At tests on The Ring.... changing racing forever!) Co-drivers in one of the Carrera Pan America runs, in a Ferrari 340 America/Mexico V-12 coupe... Fame came at the Riverside Times GP of 1958 where he won in a Ferrari special against a field of top enduro and GP european champions.... He would drive F-1 for Ferrari, Porsche and Jack Brabham. Winning Porsches ONLY F-1 GP, at Rouen France, 1962... Dan was frequently a winner in various AC Cobras for Carroll Shelby.... 1963 -1965 History! Kiddies... J.C.

@joestephan1111

2 жыл бұрын

@@375GTB Yes, I'm aware of Gurney's record. He also was someone interesting to talk to, as I did several times, about his little known motorcycle background as well as cars. That includes Frank Arciero, Sr who really gave him his start in road racing (Arciero also played a part in Shelby's early days). I'm also aware that, because of focus on Foyt's Indy "luster", his road racing record is little known, as well as hard to find. He early 1960's was already driving & winning in some of the first pro sports car races to be staged in the U.S., as well as the Bahamas winter Speed Week. The first time I saw him race was in the 1965 NASCAR Riverside 500 on the original course, with no "kink" on the back straight which was much longer and the hairpin at the end much tighter. Late in the race he was running second , closing in on leader Gurney's identical Ford, when the heavy duty drum brakes they still then ran failed (Foyt crashing heavily). I also saw him drive the 1983 Daytona 24 Hours on a course much tougher than Le Mans. There, after the Aston Martin he was driving blew up, he was approached by twin-turbo Porsche 935 car owner/lead driver Preston Henn to take his place. Over the objections of the other two drivers, including French endurance ace Bob Wollek, Foyt climbed into a racing car model he'd never before driven and, driving like man possessed, we watched him overnight make up the two laps they were down. On their way to the win, he even broke the lap record in the middle of the night, driving in the rain no less! Afterwards even Wollek admitted to his now having Respect for Foyt. Two years later Foyt & Wollek repeated their 24 Hour win for Henn, this time in a Porsche 962. Foyt is the only driver to win the Indy 500 four times as well as the Daytona 500 once, the Daytona 24 Hours twice, and Le Mans once. I've been around Foyt a number of times and he is his own, in charge man who doesn't bow to anyone. Gurney says in interview they were both set up by Ford and had 15 minutes of practice. If Foyt did respond to anything at all it would have been the Ford Motor Corporation who he had a long-time relationship with. Not only cars but he had by that point pretty much taken over their four-cam Indy Car engine program. Foyt for many years had standing offers from from several F1 teams including Ferrari. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eKBnqrSvppTXh9I.html

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Frank Arciero put together the Ferrari/Maserati V-8 special that Dan gained Riverside Times GP fame in... A very young Dan Gurney raced bikes on Catalina Island and at Loudon, NH. AJ won the USAC Road Racing Championships, that presaged the SCCA USRRC and CanAm Series. I saw AJ be very generous to a small amateur team running a Black & Gold Hertz GT-350 at Sebring, one year. An effort partially put together by a High School auto shop instructor and his classes. Without Hertz knowing about the entry... They broke the axle/differential pretty good Using the Shops own engine.... Could have become expensive, or a legal problem... AJ had a complete axle air freighted in and saved their bacon. Gratis! I saw this, in the pits, but it was later related in one of the three magazines we had.... Something to do with Bollis & Snopes team entry... Maybe in C&D ??? I left my library in Tampa, 1976, when I went off to Denver and camera repair school Everything went to paper reclamation.... Books, magazines, newspapers Even my issues of FLA Racing News.... 1972-1973... Family was not very supportive, sad to say.... Everything COULD have gone to my neighbor and mentor.... Poppa Ben... He and family DID visit me in Englewood, CO, 1976... Someone was proud of me.... As was my minister and camera/darkroom mentor, from Tampa UCC So I had good people help me at just the right times... LIFE! J.C.

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@Joe Stephan - You say Foyt was "one helluva road racer." The only road race I could find that he participated in was the 1963 Nassau Speed Week Trophy race, which he won in a Mecum Scarab. He was a dirt track, Indy and NASCAR racer predominantly. Shelby made sure that A.J. knew that Gurney was "his boss" at the '67 Le Mans race and followed his orders to a T. I believe he was told to drive at 80-85% and let Dan do the rest. This was felt to be necessary as Foyt had no endurance racing experience at all, and you can't drive Le Mans like an Indy or stock car race.

According to Wackipedia in 67 Ford finished first and fourth at Le Mans with Ferrari second and third.

Well done.. BUT.... Some mild criticism: Too many times, when discussing the Ford GT Mk.IV Pictures of the Ford GT Mk. II are shown! And the slightly garbled English of the one narrator is no help... as sincere as he is.... No part of the Mk. IVs were built by FAV in Slough, UK Where ALL 112 GT-40 chassis were laid down 1964 -1965... That said, there also is better footage of the 1967 Daytona race in the can, than is shown here BUT, as it has been rumored, FOMOCO bought it all up.... ( Or MAYBE Ferrari...???) One would like to SEE that footage come to light... IF it really exists.... How about it??? FOR HISTORY!! J.C.

Enzo Ferrari Mouth Shut Down by Ken Miles and Shelby....Ford Just give them Money

Might make a good TV or straight to Blu Ray movie, but I can't see them making an official theatrical sequel.

You forgot to mention that Ferrari took back the manufacturers championship.

@GenotheViking

2 жыл бұрын

Ford sadly did not compete for the championship in '67 they just entered the three long endurance races.

@elijahrobinson2362

2 жыл бұрын

Ford won LeMans three more times. Ferrari? Didn’t win again until...never. LeMans is the gold standard. Wanna cry about F1? It’s been since 2010 that they won the title. Yes, years of Michael Schumacher and Ferrari buying the rules changes to favour their cars, too. What happened after LeMans was Ford won it again, and again, and AGAIN. Ferrari NEVER won again. NEXT!!

@cdjhyoung

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget: one of those championships Ferrari won by cheating. He convinced the FIA to change the last race of the season into a none point event, denying Ford a chance to over take Ferrari in the points count.

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

YEP! Ford did not contest ALL the 1967 races... Did not CARE, either.... Shut down Shelby American Racing a the airport.... BEFORE the end of the season Shel went back to making AC Cobras and GT-350/500 Mustangs at the old ex-Lance Reventlow works, as before.... Phil Remington went on to other projects elsewhere as did, Peter Brock... GM and Zora Arkus Duntov would produce the 1968 C-3 Corvette. A GT winner for many years... History! J.C.

@jannadrielcervo7753

2 жыл бұрын

@@elijahrobinson2362 Last Ferrari constructor's championship win is at 2008, and their last driver's win is at 2007 by Kimi Raikkonen. Red Bull Racing won the constructor's and driver's championship in 2010 with Sebastian Vettel.

F V F 2. YES PLZ. Then F V F 3.....HISTORICAL MAGNIFICENCE.

Never knew about 67.

Isn't 67 when at the award ceremony dinner the officials snubbed Gurney by handing him the trophy and walking away? Be sure to include that in the sequel.

BTW - This years 24 Hours will be run next weekend The new Corvette C8,Rs in GT/LM will face off with Ferrari 488GT's With Porsche 911s and the other GT/LM cars Should be interesting. Particularly the OnBoard GoPro cams.... Only 50,000 spectators will be allowed in 10% of a normal years turn out.... I'll be in some car for the whole time. Only eating and cat napping during yellows Hopefully no Red Flag times will be seen Forza Ferrari. Que Bella Machina! J.C.

Just name the movie. „Le Mans post 1970, Porsche Kicks ass“

@B-A-L

2 жыл бұрын

'Until Jaguar bit it on the ass in the late 1980s....'

@julian2626

2 жыл бұрын

@@B-A-L After Porsche dominated the first half ish of the decade

In 1967 Ferrari returned the favour in Fords Back yard 24 hr Daytona Ferrari 1/2 with a private Ferrari making 1/2/3 Ford one finished out of six It goes to show it is not about large V8 engines but small V12 [ 4 Lt ] and what you can do with it. In 66 in was Goliath who won in 67 it was David

Ferrari sort of got revenge when it won Daytona in '67.

@john1703

2 жыл бұрын

Because Ford had a bad batch of gearbox shafts all break!

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

No Kidding! See Miami Vice's 365GTB/4 DAYTONA ( Actually a fiber glass copy on a Corvette chassis, with dubbed in V-12 sounds.. kiddies!) GTB/4s would win the GT Class at Le Mans, Daytona and Sebring races, 1970 -1979.... Against Porsche and Corvette. Should have won Daytona 24 of 1973 by FIA/AOC rules, but a NON-RUNNING Brumos 911 Carrera RS was declared the "winner" by IMSA "rules" It sat not running in the pits for 45 minutes.... Would be NC (Not Classified) at Le Mans that year IMSA has screwed things up, ever since..... For it's Junk Formula Camel GT cars and everything, to this very day..... J.C.

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

The MKIVs lost that race because they were ordered by Ford to run flat out. Ford knew the new P-4 was much faster than the P-3 and didn't want to risk losing the race by not running strong enough - big mistake as it turned out!

min 1:25 those are not gt-40s from 1965

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

All modern built Repro's of Mk.II's ..... Good repros.... REAL Mk.II's are many $Millions J.C.

I wish all of you gear heads could write a coherent sentence. It was bad enough trying to understand what they were saying during the video. I thought maybe the comment section might clear things up. Nope. All I got out of was ford and Dan Gurney won. I thought Dan Gurney made BMX bike cycles.

They need to make a movie about the intense rivalry and hatred between Gilles Villeneuve and Didier Pironi. If what happened between them and afterwards was a fictional movie nobody would believe it!

I like the moto girls!

MORE RACING MOVEIS

Heyy FOX... Start casting and making the script!

Would rather have a movie about Jim Clark and Lotus.

@beagle7622

2 жыл бұрын

Would be boring except for Jim’s appetite for attractive women, with the possible exception of Sally who he went out with for a couple of years . Jim was a hard charging incredibly talented racer, worked with Colin Chapman. Yes they did great things together but not film material. He was a true gentleman too until he got into a car he was racing.

@1183newman

2 жыл бұрын

@@beagle7622 Of course you would need colin chapman in it as well who was a very interesting character and his relationship with clark. That would imo make an amazing movie.

@beagle7622

2 жыл бұрын

@@1183newman Why they were friends & when they talked it was quiet. Jim was a quiet guy, seemingly interested in 3 things, Attractive Women, Winning Motor Races ( perhaps flying) & his farm, probably in that order . He didn’t lose his temper was very quiet, had no tantrums. A Lauda type film maybe but I just don’t see a story line. Allen Moffat the Australian ( Canadian) touring car driver knew Jimmy pretty well & said that Jim said he only became aggressive when he got behind the wheel. He was a nice guy, personally he recognised me from the previous year in Australia ( probably because I was a kid & had grown few inches taller), & gave me his autograph twice. Race day he was behind the ropes. I was devastated when he was killed.

@1183newman

2 жыл бұрын

@@beagle7622 true but you also have inns ireland who was quite important to the story as well as graham hill who were both interesting characters and very diffferent to jim clark. They would both have to play a part in the story.

2:53 what the hell is that???

The movie was not about any of that it was about life

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@Jessereder3 - Your comment proves that you have no knowledge of the Ford/Ferrari war or you certainly wouldn't have said, "It's about Life." ALL movies are about life - how general could you be? lol 🤪

Who would you get to play a huge personality like Foyt? But I'd watch that movie.

@cdjhyoung

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Jack Nicholson is too old for the part now. In all seriousness, I am amazed that Guerney was able to convince Foyt to do the coast and save method of saving the brakes. That must have been one hell of a sales pitch.

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

You never met AJ... The MAN Nor Gurney Ignoramus!

So the Sequel would be Ferrari v Ford

I want badly sequel of ford vs ferrar

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely! Titled: Ferrari's Revenge @ Daytona 24 1967.... 1-2-3!! J.C.

@rankingresearchdata

2 жыл бұрын

@@375GTB it will be good

Still I would prefer the Honda NSX Acura and Toyota Yaris GR

I met Bruce ! What a guy

This whole section has become pedantic.... Full of Hot Wheels kiddies....

Ford MK IV : 7 l versus Ferrari P4 : 4 liter

@MrShakespeere

2 жыл бұрын

Still gotta steer it

@SuperLeica1

2 жыл бұрын

At Le Mans the speed and power is pivotal, yes, but the crucial points are the bends which crave great handling. And, of course, tech quality to endure 24 hours.

@paulplack490

2 жыл бұрын

But the 7L Fords had to weigh a minimum of 3500 pounds, much more than the P4.

@russmyers6632

2 жыл бұрын

7L, yes. But a cast iron block with a single cam in block and push rods and a 4 bbl Holley carb. Versus an aluminum block and heads, 4 cam 4 valve design with fuel injection. In spite of Ferrari's superior tech, there's no replacement for displacement.

@DL-ls5sy

2 жыл бұрын

@@russmyers6632 Ferrari P4 3967 cm3. 3 valves per cylinder. 450 ch @ 8000 tours. 792 kg. 4,185 x 1,810 x 1 m (Longueur x largeur x hauteur). Ford MK IV, I don't know, and you ?

1970. Porsche vs all👍

6:09 If Ford used a 707, why does this video show a *DC-8* instead? Not even a Boeing plane!

@atallguynh

2 жыл бұрын

For the same reason that a video about 1967 planes would make certain they got the right plane in some stock footage but wouldn't be so concerned if there happened to be a 1968 or later car in the background.

@loski1955

2 жыл бұрын

That's not a DC-8 either. 707 and DC-8 both had 4 engines. That plane has two engines and they are of the Fan type, a much later plane.

@JKiler1

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like an MD-80.

@bricefleckenstein9666

2 жыл бұрын

@@loski1955 It's called a typo - I was thinking of the DC-9. The later MD-80 James Roscoe mentions was a later variation on the DC-9 from after Douglas was bought out.

@anthonybarnett6828

2 жыл бұрын

Probally it's hard to get your hands on a 707 in 2019. They also figure very little of the audience will know.

I want to see the sequel

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Daytona 24 1967 Ferrari's Revenge! Ever hear of it? Movie goers... ??? Bet not.... I was there Behind the flagman... I was all of 17.... Jumping up and down! FORZA FERRARI !! Que Bella Machina That V-12 sound... LOOKS! 9 Le Mans wins! 1949 -1965 History! J.C.

2:29- thats fukd^

@kyhxx

2 жыл бұрын

10:55 haha no way. crazy.

So you just showed us, what's they're might gonna make it in future.

i'm amazed how the italian is always been portray as the bad guy in every english spoken movie. look at rush or le mans 66 or born to race 2. They always depict Enzo and the mechanic as antagonist with untrue scenes.

@B-A-L

2 жыл бұрын

You mean Ferrari not Italy and that's because Enzo was a stubborn, hateful old man! Just ask Ferrucio Lamborghini!

@Loulovesspeed

2 жыл бұрын

@Aaa Bbb - That's likely due to the horrific impact the Mafia had on American people and businesses! They screwed and murdered an awful lot of good American citizens as well as their own.. As they say, if the shoe fits, wear it!

@AaaBbb-ff1pn

2 жыл бұрын

@@B-A-L no,italians in general. look at the other movies that i list (rush,born to race 2). italians are always depict like some angry,lack of empathy, unsportmen. they are the villian in race movies.. the true enemy in le mans 66 was the race itself, but hollywood was to busy to find a villian. Enzo Ferrari was an old grumpy businessman forged in steel that manage to keep his tiny company afloat in a word of giants. Do you how many times he starve in cold, even almost eaten alive by wolfs? how many pain the life give to him. the man works in his factory since his foundation, he was already a myth before his death. this can already give you a hint of the greatness of the man. Enzo was hardend by the adversity of the racing life and post wars italy. i don't think you can grasp how much of what he when through shape his characters. But you know 1 thing. many great engineer and driver want to race and work for him.you can't achieve that only by offering morr money. Enzo sold to them a dream, a possibility to write their name in motor history with a company full 100% commitment to race. Ford try to bound their budget to race and Enzo politely write "no,this is not right" on the hidden contract clause. the he leaves. hollywood make up many facts, heck Enzo wasn't even at LeMans! As for Ferruccio that's how 2 italians solve quarrels ;D He was as eccentric as Enzo, make business with him is not easy, he really know how to makeup facts to exploit you and get many things for free in exchange ! :D

@AaaBbb-ff1pn

2 жыл бұрын

@@Loulovesspeed i call that bs. It's an hollywood bias... anglo american kill natives, but the most part of the world don't think they are assassins or steal country from other persons. ;) even more they depict the natives as bad guys too... how ironic,isn'it?

@Loulovesspeed

2 жыл бұрын

@@AaaBbb-ff1pn - Enzo earned the reputation he had, as did the Mafia. I was only replying to your statement! With regards to your reply to BAL GB, there were many drivers who wished to drive for Ferrari simply because he built some fantastic winning cars. You failed to mention how many drivers left the Ferrari factory team because they would not put up with Enzo's game playing crap that he was so well known for. I mean TOP drivers like Phil Hill and John Surtees. Brian Redman was asked by Ferrari to drive for the factory, but he caught on that Enzo was lying to him telling him he was slower around the circuit in his trials than he really was. Redman was quoted as saying "If I drive for Ferrari, I'll be dead in a year." The great Carroll Shelby's talent was spotted by Enzo and he was asked at least 2 times to drive for Ferrari - Shelby declined. He said he didn't like the way Enzo treated his drivers! As an innovator and builder of great racing and street cars, he has certainly made himself a legend. As a person, however, he left a lot to be desired, especially in his treatment and respect of others! In many ways, he just was not a good person.

Check out 24 Hour War for more on this. Not a hollywood movie. A docu.

let's face it.. Ken Miles was THE reason ford cars got the win. I mean he died while getting the perfect car. :(

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@Shul - As vital a component as Ken Miles was, he was not THE reason Ford won. The fact that he died testing a car has absolutely nothing to do with Ford getting the win in '66! 👎

"It came to frotrition" WTF????

One needs hip boots! A gas mask! For much of the peanut gallery below! Movie "Experts" Not yet born 1964 -1969 Much less 1949 Ferrari's FIRST of NINE Le Mans wins.... A 2 liter 166 Barchetta... Last of which was 1965.... NART 250 LM #5893 J.C. b. 7-25-49....

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@375GTB - Have you always typed so disjointedly or is that a recent affliction?

When we think about it.....The movie really was about Goliath with all the resources in the world beating David , small , cash starved, but incredibly talented...... It really should've been how Ferrari used to kick all the others a$$ all these years 😂

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

FORZA FERRARI !!

@jannadrielcervo7753

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah! Forza Ferrari! But same can be said about Porsche, Aston Martin, and Jaguar. I think Aston Martin's win is the most impressive thing to happen, driven by the man Shelby. Back then Aston Martin is always on the verge of financial struggle, and still able to win a Le Man race is probably a miracle.

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

But the A-M win was in 1959.... When Ferrari's team boss and driver upped the top rpm's of the Testa Rossa's Against Enzo's wishes... So they FAILED! I've said nothing against A-M in this... Roy Salvadori deserved the win, as much as Shel' 1965 -1967 was a whole 'nuther era.... And the movie is MUCH more one of Shel's famous Fish Stories Than historical FACT.... He never told the same story, twice. Ask anyone who knew him.... SAME as Zora Arkus Duntov... Enzo Egos uber alles J.C.

@missouriresole4726

2 жыл бұрын

Yeahh there a bunch of proud Americans in the comments but they don't know the truth . Ferrari: on the financial collapse, stuck with some old cars , and very limited spending but great tech . Ford : immense resources and just buying others successful racing programs.

@jannadrielcervo7753

2 жыл бұрын

@@missouriresole4726 Shelby American would have eventually won it, although it is one of the biggest what if moments. They could still potentially develop the Shelby Daytona as it is showing huge promises, until Ford entered Le Mans and endurance racing.

I believe when you pit a driver that’s used to the super quality of Ferrari against a driver that’s used to lower quality cars but knows how to manipulate and maximize performance from that thing the Ferrari loses when you give that junk driver a quality car that’s even close to a Ferrari in ability.

When I saw the title of this video. I was expecting something totally different. I thought it was going to go into the dominance of Porsche and the 917's in the 70s

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

Ignoramus!

@johnclarke2997

2 жыл бұрын

Different sort of race. Porsche wanted to win Le Mans. Not destroy Ferrari, no reason to.

Ken Miles should be awarded the triple crown.

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

@Ethics Underground - You can't be rewarded a title that you technically did not earn. Besides, the Triple Crown is a completely unofficial title, carrying no value other than "bragging rights."

@szafraniec8164

10 ай бұрын

​@@Loulovesspeedit does it means you are undisputed racing driver

@Loulovesspeed

10 ай бұрын

@@szafraniec8164 Miles technically didn't earn it by the definition of the term! Regardless of what it means, it is not an official title. He got over it better than a lot of you teary eyed ones have.

Let's not forget Ferrari took out the world championship that year. This Doco is very biased towards Ford. Please tell the whole story

i’d like to see enzo’s side of the story, it’s always fords point of view, i want to know what ferrari was thinking, how they react, yes we need a second and much better movie than the first

@paulpeterson8212

2 жыл бұрын

Your statement is not true

@kavinskysmith4094

2 жыл бұрын

he was probably thinking that damn lamborghini clutch went out again.

@Loulovesspeed

Жыл бұрын

I'd bet that if Ole Enzo was still alive, he would provide more twisted, untrue statements and events than the producers of Ford vs Ferrari could ever come up with! 😉😛

OK -FOUND IT __sorry - love u any way

People are being told not to celebrate "America" any more. Fine.... we'll all be dumbasses celebrating how Shakira twerks so much better than Beyonce, or how Pelosi twerks so much better than Schumer. What a fracking world.... where the ability to talk overcomes true spirit and courage and performance and innovation.

@davisburnside9609

2 жыл бұрын

They aren't being told to not celebrate America, and they aren't celebrating Shakira's hips. Stop letting Breitbart dictate your thoughts. They choose to celebrate different things about America than you. You may value America's industry and engineering, other people value America's innovation in other areas, like history & social progress, or leading the world in arts & culture. That doesn't mean they love it less, it just means they love it in differently.

@epifunny1

2 жыл бұрын

@@davisburnside9609 Social progress? Is that what you call Portland and Chicago and Minneapolis? Good luck living a lie...

@davisburnside9609

2 жыл бұрын

@@epifunny1 no, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. If you really can't think of any legit social progress in the past 50 years of American History, then you're beyond stupid and this conversation is a waste of time 😂

@mikevidzdev

2 жыл бұрын

@@davisburnside9609 you put brietbart in his mouth ... what do you think about Chicago btw? (look at the time line guys , we are here for race cars , but now we a talking about politics) I am honored to talk shit to you ass holes.

@epifunny1

2 жыл бұрын

@@davisburnside9609 Yeah, as far as I'm concerned any "legit social progress" over the last 50 years has been thrown down the tubes in the last 2 years by "social terrorists" calling themselves Democrats. Biden and his cozying up to Iran is utterly undeniable proof of that. The Left believes they carry enough weight in the Armed Forces now - read "gay and leftist senior leaders" - that they can win a Civil War. And so they've put all factions - African-Americans through BLM, misguided and disenchanted youth through Antifa, intellectual Narcissists through a spoiled election, raging commercialists through feminism, et al - on high alert to become armed and militant. It's the counter-culture in an age when Law & Order is only a pipe dream and a TV Show. You know nothing of "America" and you will make a great Nazi. Fascists never call themselves what they are; they never actually use the term "Fascism" - so it is with you.

What happened next? Ford won LeMans 3 more times in a row, include having one car repeat as champion. Then the rules changed and Porsche came along with the magnificent 917.

@noneone8726

2 жыл бұрын

What's not to love about cars? Vroom Vroom Daddy! Look how big my PENIS is, how shiny and fast it is! Noise, pollution, death, waste, greed, arrogance. Freedom? Control? Car payments, Depreciation, Maintenance, Oil, Belts, Antifreeze, Gas, Accidents, Speeding and Parking Tickets, Breakdowns, Repairs, Insurance, Fees for plates, license, registration. Pollution. Not just emissions, but runoff from tires that poisons water forever, literal mountains of used tires that routinely catch on fire. Not to mention Billions wasted in taxes to pay the US military to guard the overseas oil supply. Grotesquely huge burden to maintain the wasteful highway system instead of simply moving goods by rail and canal, as it was done before the gas monkey greed rapists in Detroit began their con game lies. Hours of life wasted sitting in traffic jams. At the mercy of the stupidest and most unsafe driver on the road beside you. 99 percent of the time sits there doing nothing but losing value, while you are at work or home. Why do you think it has a radiator? So grotesquely inefficient that more of a gallon of gas is used up in waste heat than gets turned into useful motive energy. Alternative? Design living spaces that do not require cars. Bring things to people, do not force people to pay to waste time, money and resources chasing things in their little tin ego boxes. Work, Live, Shop and Play all within walking distance, and use subway, taxi, and train. Stop being a delusional selfish asshole.

@d.e.b.b5788

2 жыл бұрын

And Porsche put the nails in Ferrari's sports car prototype program, for good. After 1971, Ferrari left the sports car prototype field forever, having been beaten 6 years straight. Today, without special 'Ferrari money' in F1, they'd be out of that, too.

@davidthayer6969

2 жыл бұрын

actually Ford POWER got two more overall wins, 1975 and 1980.

@375GTB

2 жыл бұрын

A bit more involved that that.... Historically Read up!

@missouriresole4726

2 жыл бұрын

@@d.e.b.b5788 . Nahh , they whould still stay in F1 even without the special money , since they get 280 million of sponsors alone vs the 50 million of the special bonus ( after the 2020 Concorde agreement they had a cut ) . And also considering the fact that Ferrari revenue 3 billion from car sales alone today , vs the few of the '70. The Ferrari is a much stronger Ferrari than the time of Enzo and Henry Ford II.