The concept of god even coming down to the paladin to tell them, “Yo. This is a REALLY *REALLY* bad idea.” And the paladin responding, “Don’t worry, we’ll be fine.” Is honestly such a hilarious concept to me.

@Dr.Sho_Minamimoto

2 жыл бұрын

At that point I would have had their Patron god warning the paladin that if they leave town they will do so without their favor, I.E If you want to act stupid and run to your death, do so without your Paladin powers and smearing mud on their gods name.

@TheDukeOfDallas

2 жыл бұрын

I think it would be interesting/fun to have the PC's Gods/Deities appear in their corporeal forms during battles and shout commands/attacks at their specific devotees. Like Pokémon battles but with the fanatically devout.

@RKNGL

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dr.Sho_Minamimoto I think that play may have worked. A "you are leading people to certain death out of your own pride. Go without my favor. Each unnecessary death I shall count against your head."

@Dr.Sho_Minamimoto

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDukeOfDallas judging by the way the paladin acted, it would be like using a traded Pokémon without enough badges, IE won’t listen to your commands unless it wants to.

@TheDukeOfDallas

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dr.Sho_Minamimoto Depending on the Diety that could be really bad lol. "You don't have enough badges to train me!" Zeus - *smiles* *LIGHTNING BOLT SMITE*

Me as a paladin player hearing stories like this. "You were supposed to bring justice to the world. Not plunge it into darkness."

@Demolition89336

3 жыл бұрын

I know right? Lawful good does not mean that you have to play as a bootlicker. It just means that you have a strong moral code and want to help people. My old LG Paladin was fine with our Rogue picking locks, and telling lies, so long as it was in the interest of helping people. He wasn't exactly trustful of criminals, but didn't treat them like subhuman garbage. In fact, for a large portion of the campaign, our group was wanted for regicide, after we killed the tyrannical king, and his son took over. I played a Lawful Good Paladin who killed a King, and was a wanted criminal. For added context, we sneaked our way into the Throne Room, where we (I) challenged the King to a fight. We had to bribe guards, and pick locks, to get there. All very illegal acts, but my character was able to overlook them because he was more of an 'ends justify the means so long as no one gets hurt' type of character.

@queensheeta5941

3 жыл бұрын

@@Demolition89336 As a player who has recently made a Paladin, (and is my favourite character I've ever made), I wholeheartedly agree with this. Lawful Good doesn't mean being an asshole.

@AbstractTraitorHero

3 жыл бұрын

@@Demolition89336 Lawful good can encompass people like literal Anarchists like myself, as Long as you got high minded principles and you'll Damn stick to em, your lawful good

@un-named8962

3 жыл бұрын

You were suppose to destroy the sith, not join them.

@JohnSmith-ex8iw

3 жыл бұрын

@@AbstractTraitorHero that'd be more lawful neutral rather than lawful good.

"There is a giant blender in front of you. A cackling old man dressed in infant bones tells you to jump in." "Obviously I don't do--" "He says that some very evil monsters are in there just past the spinning blades." "I jump in the blender." "You die instantly." "Dude, no fair."

@lfskyden

2 жыл бұрын

How can you define Tormund so Precisely.....

@bendystrawz2832

2 жыл бұрын

The "Dude, no fair" is the best part! So true to the original. Except the DM was generous enough to not make it instant death; rather a difficult but possible fight.

@Lobsterwithinternet

Жыл бұрын

@@bendystrawz2832 Which was a mistake on his part.

@disneydork100

Жыл бұрын

Splatoon 2: Octo Expansion

@jackiesharp018

Жыл бұрын

@@disneydork100 except no agent 3

Maurice: *shoots Tormund* Maurice: why would the DM do this?

@alanpascal7631

Жыл бұрын

Wack.

@easiestcc6451

Жыл бұрын

Nice eric andre reference

@cewla3348

10 ай бұрын

+mauriced

@arkhamaslume

9 ай бұрын

​@@cewla3348 tormund got ultrakilled

@TypicalYouTubeBrowser

18 күн бұрын

And the DM was trying to pry the gun out of his hand before he did

Yes the paladin was playing their character in a moronic way, however I hold the other party members to just as much responsibility for ruining that campaign and ostracizing the DM out of his group.

@SingeScorcher

3 жыл бұрын

yeah even Jim. he was very clearly having fun being the DM that gets to play and was trying to stay in the back seat to let the others shine. But he could have, and should have, talked to Maurice about the way he behaving and stuck up for OP b/c it seems he could tell how hard OP was trying to be a sensible but fair dm.

@wildhunter939

3 жыл бұрын

While I agree with you it also sounds like the DM was railroading a bit

@beaumerritt5923

3 жыл бұрын

@@wildhunter939 yeah but the lawful played to dumb and was to stubborn and party did not help besides the one that did not make it but they still vote him off for no reason and and told them this is dumb and also sounds like they were babys because they were not ok with dieing for being dumb sorry for the long rant

@billm9987

3 жыл бұрын

@@wildhunter939 How so? They were given a mission they could handle, guard this part of the walls. They ignored it, and were given warning after warning, that what they were attempting was extremely stupid. But he still let them do it. He even altered the mission to give them a chance to win. That's not railroading, he let the players have their agency , and pursue their own strategy as stupid as it was. If he was railroading, He would have said no you can't leave and the captain would have come over with a bunch of guards and said " you have got to guard this part of the wall.

@handsinthefire

3 жыл бұрын

agreed, the DM in this situation did all he could, yes he could've changed some things or forced them..but he didn't. That whole party was a bunch of fucking clowns.

In my experience a Lawful Good Paladin would have insisted on staying town to help fortify and rebuild so long as they agreed to have at minimum a small shrine to the Platinum God.

@danielshore1457

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah wouldn't lawful good be staying and making sure the town is alive? This characters actions sound more like chaotic good where they are doing it really recklessly but like for the greater good sort of thing

@bakaichigo

3 жыл бұрын

This. The PC 100% played STUPID and conflated that with "Lawful Good". That PC was either a troll or so incredibly stupid himself that he literally couldn't tell he was playing the character with the most obnoxious and unrealistic flaws known to gamerkind. A true lawful-good paladin who ISN'T being played purposely stupid is going to preference actions with yield the greatest quantity AND quality of good. IE: They're going to immediately take the town's guard in command, start organizing defenses and ensuring as many people are safe and protected as possible... Only the most ignorant, stupid and pointless of these would do what Tormund does. He was 100% more Chaotic Good, frankly, in the end results if not the actions and intentions. Chaotic Stupid.

@shadowthehedgehog3113

3 жыл бұрын

He sounds like the more Lawful stupid/murderhobo "Lawful Good" type who's idea of "law" is just a thin veneer to go haphazardly murdering anyone who he deems to be immoral.

@bloop364

3 жыл бұрын

He should have been branded oathbreaker from the first sign of trouble, as the almighty platinum one is about forgiveness if one pledges to be a good person from then on, only when they prove they have no intention of repentance then they must die as punishment.

@brickman9133

3 жыл бұрын

Man my first character was a Lawful good Paladin and instead of playing like this I really was just like "My oath is to protect people, and also its a good act to protect people too, so when my Chaotic nuetral party goes off on hijinx, I need to stay with them to make sure they stay safe"

"We'll be fine." Dude straight up said that to the person *controlling the story.*

"I don't want to think about the dynamics of the world around me. I want to walk forward in any direction I choose and I expect the DM to build it out under my feet as I go. Oh, and also it should be perfectly balanced."

@AshtonMonitor

2 жыл бұрын

With tiny script in the corner saying “*note: ‘perfectly balanced’ means just challenging enough to make me feel badass, without losing half my hit points”

@hipopotamodata9932

2 жыл бұрын

i think that is need a shock of reality if he wants to kill 50 monsters that he dont stand a chance ok but dont expect to live because is going to happen what everyone knows is going to happen

@lucky6961

Жыл бұрын

we usually had the main story together and side stuff in case at least 3 people missed, main story being serious and the side stuff was less planned, turning goofy easily, it was just perfect

@jopestus

7 ай бұрын

In my game running blindly led to a party of six being ran to a group of five trolls in a narrow passage. Tortle ranger lost its arm permanently for that, since one of the trolls ate it when she was grabbled while dead by another. Okay. I conviently forgot their ability to recover from 0hp in that fight so the PCs had a fighting chance and they won with 0 lasting casualties. Two downed and one dead, but the dead was revivifyed. If the trolls would actually have been getting up like they are written they would have been soooo tpkd

This reminds me of the saying "It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's impossible to win an argument with a stupid person. "

@theeye8276

4 жыл бұрын

So true

@Nomadith

4 жыл бұрын

"Do not try to win a fight against an idiot: they will beat you with experience and drag you down to their level" also comes to mind (albeit paraphrased)

@linkron9746

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nomadith other way around. First comes the dragging, then comes the beating

@kalashnikovdevil

3 жыл бұрын

Don't play chess with a pigeon, as my wife likes to remind me.

@benjamindeh873

3 жыл бұрын

In this case to me it sounds like the DM was the stupid person. I think he tried to force players to play his way/idea and it backfired on him. Otherwise why would the entire table turn back on him? Including the previous more experienced DM?

"I can't retreat because of honor or something." "Dude we aren't asking you to leave the fight we just want you to move like 30 feet back so you aren't blind."

@Erizedd

3 жыл бұрын

For guys like that, even the idea of moving back like that (in the name of common sense) equals retreating. In their mind, the only one who should be moving away in any way, shape or form is the enemy (or anyone else _except_ them), like, "I stand my ground, nothing shall sway me!". Honor is often used as the facilitator and, subsequently, the scapegoat for people's personal ego, delusion, and stupidity.

@ohexenwahno5652

3 жыл бұрын

"What does back mean?"

@fluidwolf

3 жыл бұрын

He is already blind tho. Blind with rage at all the INJUSTICE

@kalebb1226

3 жыл бұрын

Guy's never even heard of the art of war

@Firemalleoandjelly

3 жыл бұрын

He could have moved 30 feet forward and fight.

OP sounds like the kind of DM I would love to play with, tough and fair, but still willing to bend the rules to help the players, and the amount of work he did, and effort he put in to try to keep everyone alive and to keep the game enjoyable is admirable.

@Lobsterwithinternet

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. It just comes across as weakness. Should have let them die then let them play as the NPC guards as the orcs slaughtered them. And only then allowed them to make new characters.

@SventheCrusader

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Lobsterwithinternet DMing, I regret to inform you, is not about being someone's drill sergeant on a power trip. D&D is a game, not a job, and the DM is a writer, not some overseer whose job it is to punish people with humiliation. I mean, listen to what you just said: "It just comes across as weakness." What is this, survival in the zombie apocalypse? What, do you think you'll be eaten by the pack if you're perceived as weak?

@Lobsterwithinternet

2 жыл бұрын

@@SventheCrusader No, but you are the de facto authority in the game. A game where the DM allows their players to walk all over them isn't much more than kids playing pretend. That's why you as the DM have to be the one who tells sociopaths like the Paladin that no you can't go around randomly killing everyone you don't like, especially when you're a paladin of Bahamut. And inform him if he does it again, he might lose his powers because Bahamut disapproves of his actions. But it also doesn't make you a storyteller or some authoritarian dictator. You are the referee who facilitates the actions and decisions of the other players (the DM is a player too, remember) into the world they create in a collaborative effort to make a story together. And if a player decides to do something to either derail the game or otherwise ruin the fun of the group, it's the responsibility of the other players, most of all the DM, to talk to them and ask them to cut it out And no, I didn't suggest that to punish them. I suggested that to get them back into the action ASAP and give them a fun combat encounter with no real stakes since their new characters showing up right in the nick of time doesn't make much sense and it gives the other players time to think up and work on their new characters for next week. My overall point is that rules exist for a reason and it's the responsibility of the DM to selectively bend or break rules in service to the fun of the other players or to facilitate the adventure. But some rules need to be held to in order to keep the game from becoming a farce or to protect the fun of everyone from the actions of others.

@bensoncheung2801

Жыл бұрын

420th 👍

@foul-fortune-feline

Жыл бұрын

@@Lobsterwithinternet I agree with everything the DM did, and if they won that encounter I'd let them get back to the town in time to defend it, if from a slightly more disadvantaged position than they would have been had they gone with the original plan (they weren't there to help with preparations, after all). If they got captured like that, I'd have the town be destroyed by the time they got back tho.

Y'know, at first I thought the DM was throwing everyone under the bus and excusing himself by claiming "inexperienced", but as the story went on, he was a lot more experienced than he gave himself credit and the players actually laid down under the bus by their own accord.

@user-bu2sf1gb5t

Жыл бұрын

So does that mean he underestimated their stupidity? Or overestimated their intelligence?

@SoftisNelaris

Жыл бұрын

@@user-bu2sf1gb5t Is there a difference?

@benjamins9794

Жыл бұрын

They laid down under the bus and paid the bus driver to repeatedly run them over while a sniper takes shots at them 50 feet away.

@Eye_Of_Odin978

Жыл бұрын

@@SoftisNelaris Yeah, it's usually in how you view them. Not much else, though. The end result is still the same.

@moonmannd7501

10 ай бұрын

Same. Went in expecting an all around clusterf*ck from all parties involved and by the end I don't know if I can really blame OP for a single thing that happened

DM: "Everyone roll Intelligence" Player: "I have a modifier of 0 and I rolled a 1, did I pass?" DM: "Yes, you understand that this is suicide."

@sethwhitehead3956

2 жыл бұрын

More like a modifier of -5.

@dani.2479

2 жыл бұрын

@@sethwhitehead3956 me if i was dm: you have a modifier of -5 due to bad genetics and luck

@sethwhitehead3956

2 жыл бұрын

@@dani.2479 And don't forget a lack of common sense.

@disneydork100

2 жыл бұрын

Oh you’ll pass alright…

@cwcpants140

2 жыл бұрын

Even a critical failure is a critical success. That’s when you know it’s bad bad.

"I cannot allow any of them to live!" Little did his comrades know, Tormund was talking about them.

@uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhidk

3 жыл бұрын

okay this is funny

@Eye_Of_Odin978

3 жыл бұрын

Who could have guessed? That the LG Paladin was actually a deep-cover Orc plant designed to get the whole party killed off.

@venusluminariesdiina4027

3 жыл бұрын

-okay this is funny- @@uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhidk and so horribly accurate, in a Way ... ...

@fadedgabe791

3 жыл бұрын

I read that in Ron Howard's voice

@derekkrumel1407

2 жыл бұрын

I LAUGHED SO FREAKING HARD AT THIS

The worst part is that they waited to splash the cold water in his face at the last second, as a group, because none of them were brave enough, or good enough friends to tell him before hand. Thats really sad.

I get the distinct feeling that ousting OP as DM was entirely Maurice’s idea. Honestly, I’m most pissed off that it sounds like Jim didn’t even attempt to dissuade them from doing it

@bignoseandrew

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps he tried but the others were like "I'm not playing if OP is the DM" and he had no choice but to become the DM. But we don't know how that conversation went so it's all just guessing

@SeanStrife

Жыл бұрын

@@bignoseandrew Nah, Jim was probably just going with the flow.

@cap-ml7ky

Жыл бұрын

@@SeanStrife I feel like Jim set him up to fail, as if to say, see what I have go through? It was kinda a dick move how he left OP flailing in the water, cause it appears he enjoyed watching the shit show go down.

@final_animal

5 ай бұрын

Idk, there's probably a lot being left out of the story. He admits he wasn't "diplomatic" when he started shouting at Maurice, we're only hearing one side of things of the story.

@FirstLast-uj3xk

5 ай бұрын

The way I see it is OP and Maurice were both in the wrong. Hoeever OP is much, MUCH less in the wrong.. Maurice was an arrogant asshole who just wanted to run the game HIS way. He blatantly ignored OP's warnings numerous times and acted tactically stupid. If it was Maurice who missed a session then the party would probably still be alive/not captured. However, I think OP was a bit too passive. OP should have taken Maurice aside and tried to explain the campaign and understand Maurice's character more. By this I mean that OP should have told Maurice personally that his playstyle will get everyone killed and that law-good characters don't have to be so dogmatic. If he still insisted on acting like that then OP should have changed the campaign to punish Maurice while not being so punishing to the others. You've got to remember that there were beginners in this game too. However, only the best DMs could possibly pull that off so I don't blame OP too much for the disastrous campaign.

“I DO NOT RETREAT!” “Then perish.”

@ShibuNub3305

3 жыл бұрын

Unrelated but your username is the funniest shit I’ve ever seen

@clymdodds1020

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Dead dead Dooby dooby dead dead. I would give the party every opportunity to split. “Hey Orcy! I’ve got a paladin here who wants to die for his country. OBLIGE HIM.”

@venusluminariesdiina4027

3 жыл бұрын

" So he had chosen Death ... ... "

@moop1518

3 жыл бұрын

"WHY DID I PERISH!" "you didn't retreat"

When a DM says "are you sure?" IMMEDIATELY regret all your decisions if you continue your plan EDIT: 1.5K+ UPVOTES!? thanks everyone, this blew up harder than I thought!!!

@kaneconqueror6560

3 жыл бұрын

The one of the only two good dm's I've gotten to play with would use that when someone was making either an awful stupid decision where he would likely have to come up with consequences due to their being no way it ends well, or when making the decision to take a dead end branch of an event he planned. He would still let you roll, and sometimes you could defy the odds and he would reward that, but you had a better chance of failing misserably and ending up with a significant penalty. That included pvp conflict. Had a player who was a dick to me and crossed some lines with other characters too. He walked right into a trap i had prepared and the DM gave his support as long as i didn't take it to far myself. Dude ended up spending half the campaign with a chastity belt bolted on.

@kaneconqueror6560

3 жыл бұрын

"Are you sure you want to ask that character for help of that nature? Welp, you asked for it...."

@rylog8

3 жыл бұрын

PC: I cast Hold Person Me: ... on the zombie? PC: yes. Me: are you sure? PC: yes Me: ... mark down that you have one less spell slot

@harkwin9277

3 жыл бұрын

@@rylog8 so I’m kinda new to dnd. Why wouldn’t hold person work on a humanoid zombie?

@nivarr9395

3 жыл бұрын

@@harkwin9277 depends on the version, but usually hold person only works on non monster creatures, and undead count as monsters not people

In a perfect world this story could be: -Brave heroes inspire city guards and common folk to defend their homes and families -The orc horde is crushed in a breathtaking siege -The party levels up and goes after orc Warlord for an epic final fight, ending the first campaign Meanwhile in *our* world: “JUSTICE” “NEVER RETREAT” “WE GOT THIS” “DM is the problem”

@Eye_Of_Odin978

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it could have been worse. Don't fall into the "Worst of all Worlds" fallacy. They COULD have had a giant physical altercation about it. Instead they all just split up later on.

@weebandgaminginc.7593

9 ай бұрын

You know that ladder one is more entertaining. Don’t lie to me

"the koolaid man in platemail smacking an artillery shell with a sledgehammer" is just....a wonderful mental image lol

@emmasilver2332

Жыл бұрын

I know, I had to pause the video so I could laugh for five solid minutes at that line

@Galvatron759

10 ай бұрын

OH YEAH

@arthurmorgan7347

9 ай бұрын

That's my level of subtlety ( hears some one getting laid proceeds to kick in door ) oh yeah !

I think there's an issue here about D&D in general that people don't seem to understand. It's the idea of player death and that campaigns can be more, or less lenient about it. Many players go into D&D believing one of two things: A: They are only allowed and able to interact with things they can see , things that are described to them and so on. They do not understand the concept, or are not comfortable with the idea of trying different things, doing what they want, exploring options and so on. They simply think of it like a game, where you're on a path, and they are just supposed to basically do the task set in front of them. and nothing more. B: They take freedom way too far, and expect the DM to pick up the pieces behind them while somehow managing to stay ahead of them. They will have 0 regard for the plans and stories the DM has set in place, and will expect that literally ANYTHING they do, it's the DM's job to make sure they survive and get through it. This I feel, wasn't so much a case of a player playing a stupid character... yes, his character was stupid. But that wasn't the actual issue here. The issue was that he believed that he could act this way with his character, charge down 50 enemies at once, and that the DM would put systems in place to save him and ensure that he gets to be the hero and defeat the army. In other words, he thought that this was HIS story, and that the DM's job wasn't to tell a story, but was to simply create the world around his character while actively giving him, quite literally, plot armor. And thus, he was angry when his character actually died, and the DM didn't simply have the guards from the town show up to fight alongside them or something. It's sort of like that old joke about Christians in a Hurricane: A Hurricane was coming into a town, and everyone was ordered to evacuate. Police showed up at a man's house and said that he needed to leave, but he said "No, I am staying here. God will see me through this." When the Hurricane hit, the town flooded so bad that the water was up to the roof. The man was on this roof when a boat came by with rescuers, but he said "No, I'll be fine, God will see me through this." And so he stayed there, trapped in the flooded town with nowhere to go. Still on the roof, a helicopter came and dropped a rescuer down to save him, but he said "No, I'll be fine, God will see me through this." The man later drowned as the waters climbed too high for him to simply stay safely on his roof. When the man got to heaven, he said "God, I trusted in you to protect me. Why didn't you save me?" God said "I sent you police, a boat, and a helicopter, what more do you want?! -Replace the idea of the hurricane, with the goblin/orc army. -Replace 'God' with 'The DM'

@starchysgraveyardshift

3 жыл бұрын

I think this perfectly encapsulates everything!

@maplesyrupminer437

3 жыл бұрын

Legendary man👌

@G1NZOU

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, I don't want my players completely ignoring all quests and just pickpocketing the whole town and randomly going off the edge of the map of what I've prepared. But at the same time I love it if I get to use my extra notes on locations where players explore side alleys to try and find a backdoor entrance to a location, or ask around for more details regarding a certain quest, or even if they initiate their own quests of looking for an item that will help them accomplish certain quests better.

@xFlareLeon

3 жыл бұрын

It's funny... first time GMing and I'm gonna be sort of doing what this player was expecting. It's a story told from a bard's perspective, so one character is very much focused on, but my players are friends I've gamed with for years and I can trust them not to charge into unwinnable situations and actual plan out viable strategies. In fact, my biggest hurdle right now is creating challenging encounters for them!

@olivierdubreuil-gagnon2201

3 жыл бұрын

I think I heard a similar story in the Bible itself, though I'm not too sure. Though of course with different levels of technology and people.

DM: You should defend the city walls along with the guards! Tormond: I'm not lisssssteniiiiing~! DM: There's 50 Orcs! You're 3 people! They'll slaughter you if you go in alone! Tormond: I'm not lisssssteniiiiing~! DM: Literally just get out of the magic darkness! It's not that big and while inside you're just swinging at shadows! Tormond: I'm not lisssssteniiiiing~! Tormond: Wow what the hell DM that was so dangerous you didn't give us any options to give ourselves an advantage in that fight! DM: *Genuine Anger*

@cleareyezgamerfreak2706

4 жыл бұрын

Like seriously has not not seen LOR movies that's not how u fight orcs Gandof:......RUN U FOOLS!!!!!!!!

@biomodified

4 жыл бұрын

I... I am having flash backs... my players... they are...so...stupid... get out of the burning building... stop huffing the smoke...

@nicholasboes8592

4 жыл бұрын

Ah yes. Gandof the groy.

@quincyclayfield5153

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s just annoying. I actually have a story like that

@Shyhalu

4 жыл бұрын

Translation: DM: Stop ruining the story I'm railroading you into! In all seriousness, the DM should have seen their actions coming a mile away.

A couple years ago I played a Lawful Good Paladin with oath of Redemption. She tried to spare a healing point for every enemy we encountered that wasn't already dead, and was mostly trying to mitigate the amount of bloodshed that the barbarian goblin of the group wanted to commit. My favourite part was when we found an Imp, imprisoned centuries earlier, that couldn't go anywhere because his previous master left him there and died. All he asked was a new contract with a mortal and to be able to leave. My Paladin asked if he honestly wouldn't harm innocents, while our fighter was urging her to execute the vile demon. The Imp replied that he honestly wanted a chance to show his loyalty. My paladin couldn't do anything else. She let another character from the group form a contract with the demon, and he joined the party. The Imp was extremely useful to the group and never did anything really evil, just some pranks here and there. He died while exploring for us with his invisibility and my Paladin mourned for the demon that showed her that the oath of Redemption she took had all the meaning in the world.

@thecoolestofthe834s2

10 ай бұрын

*trys to heal enemy me as dm: it fucking stabs you in your armors weakness and has advantage on attack its also a plus 1 dagger of venom

@TheDahaka1

10 ай бұрын

@@thecoolestofthe834s2 I have no idea what you wrote XD It sounds like you have some kind of hatred towards players, and if you were a dm any and all enemies that got shown mercy would attack the players, so that's mostly your failing as a dm, since the objective of the game is to have fun and roleplay. To each their own, I suppose. I would really dislike you as a dm, if that's what you were trying to convey.

@ornerylurker8296

10 ай бұрын

Found the stereotypical rogue player. And naturally they’re incapable of appreciating anything higher brow than giggling about attacking like a mindless automaton. This is why we can’t have these nice things.

@TheDahaka1

10 ай бұрын

@@ornerylurker8296 You mean me or the Pepe guy that replied to me? XD

@ornerylurker8296

10 ай бұрын

@@TheDahaka1 Other guy, of course! I should hope? Honestly this would be a terrible way to learn I've gone senile otherwise!

Wow. I felt like I got punched in the gut when they ousted him from the DM position. I would have left them then. For all the effort that DM put in it sounds like the players did not deserve him. Like seriously should have just said "forget this" when they dropped that "your no longer dm" bombshell like those players are terrible people.

@MacClay8

Жыл бұрын

As dumb as all the rest of the story was, him being all "Okay" at that disrespect is baffling. Any action other than telling everyone how the campaign was supposed to go and then leaving was a worse failure than anything Captain Tryhard did.

@liamwarner5749

10 ай бұрын

From what he was saying I get the feel they were fairly young maybe still in school or at least college/university and some area it's really hard to find people to play with.

@artfulsparton7642

10 ай бұрын

@@MacClay8nah the player is the worst part, you don’t know if they live in a small town or just don’t have anyway to play with others easily also remember they said “4e was the newest edition” so dnd was very not popular

*Terrified town guards beg party to stay and help them defend the town* Lawful good paladin: Did you hear something?

@DrAsh-eg7or

2 жыл бұрын

Must have been the wind

@robkrol2137

2 жыл бұрын

I heard your god stripping you of your Paladin powers for refusing to stay and help a town in need.

@ice_skater_girl0371

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrAsh-eg7or Definetly the wind

@hipopotamodata9932

2 жыл бұрын

"fuck others i want to kill some goblins " i really want to do a a masochistic paladin one day and not gonna lie he would want to fight everyone and mask his masochism by saying that he is just doing the right thing for everyone else

@lorenzocassaro3054

Жыл бұрын

@@hipopotamodata9932 You just described Darkness, from KonoSuba 😂😂😂

*Crosses the street without looking both ways* Lawful stupid: _So, you've chosen death_

@HamsterPants522

4 жыл бұрын

It's like some shit out of a comedy skit.

@patrickdees5256

4 жыл бұрын

Overdo library books beware.

@annabella1650

4 жыл бұрын

@Darksealer Lawful Stupid of the year?

@wert1234576

4 жыл бұрын

Civilian: but I just dropped that trash on accident I meant to pick it up lawful stupid: SO YOU ADMIT TO YOUR CRIME

@blacklion8307

4 жыл бұрын

Not that I cannot imagine a Lawful Neutral character being played like that to wonderful effect, provided the player is self-aware enough.

Let's be honest. Maurice wasn't stupid; he was controlling. He thought he could force the DM into scaling down every encounter to compensate for his whims. He was trying to DM by proxy. And when he didn't get his way he ensured a DM was in charge whom he could control. But, honestly, it's the other snakes in that group who really infuriated me. They listened to this entire infuriating scenario play out, and not only did they side with the person who was clearly in the wrong, but did so in the most underhanded, cowardly way possible. Seriously, fuck those people. I hope OP found a group who appreciates the effort he puts into his games. I've listened to a ton of these stories, and this is one of the few that has made me genuinely angry.

@godofmath1039

10 ай бұрын

He was stupid and controlling

Maurice literally just turned down a failing-forward campaign. My primary campaign's party had bloated to such an extent that a TPK is nigh impossible and, as a consequence, failing-forward is similarly difficult. I would be honored to receive such a way out from my DM even though I'm in her second campaign ever since I would imagine she would know about failing-forward styles. The fact that a first-time DM was able to take this style into consideration even after the party had effectively committed suicide is the most tolerant I had ever seen a DM.

@Lobsterwithinternet

2 жыл бұрын

Way too lenient, in my humble opinion.

@magellan6439

6 ай бұрын

​@@Lobsterwithinternetprobably. But it's not fair for everyone to die because one player is a complete idiot

@Lobsterwithinternet

6 ай бұрын

@@magellan6439 It is when they follow a complete idiot into certain death.

@magellan6439

6 ай бұрын

@@Lobsterwithinternet I guess. But one of them was new and the other never lost a character. First time Dms never want to be the one to be your first death.

@Lobsterwithinternet

6 ай бұрын

@@magellan6439 True enough. Nobody likes being the bad guy. But otherwise, you're demonstrating that there are no repercussions for their actions and that you will ensure that they will succeed no matter what they do. This makes it a very boring game for the majority of players and they'll just leave.

The worse thing of this story? Is that the players "demoted" the dm without any warning...

@liamdalemon1525

4 жыл бұрын

WHY DID THEY DEMOTE HIM???

@thelasttrueblade6684

4 жыл бұрын

@@liamdalemon1525 Because one guy had to be a stubborn asshole. Hell, if it was my Half-orc paladin he would have gotten out of the Darkness cloud immediately, and he's an idiot!

@dddmemaybe

4 жыл бұрын

because they don't care :C.

@burgerhouseinthehouse2079

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly that is depressing.

@Micras08

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed 100 %. Maurice was a dumbass but that was workable given time. The former DM and the girlfriend were the real assholes, demoting OP without warning, pissing all over everything he had prepared. It's fair that they wanted to swap DM, it's not fair to do it like that -_- Overall I think it was a mismatched group for OP as well... It very much seemed like they expected balanced encounters no matter what, which is how I played 4e with my starting group. That's fair, but far from the only way to play any system, even 4e :)

When the DM breaks character to plead with you about how your current course of action is likely to end very badly, especially when there are other options readily and clearly available; it's time to reconsider.

@Zaharlangan

2 жыл бұрын

Players really wanted to fly over a chasm that had an anti magic field. At the bottom of the players would have to make a wisdom save (none of them could make it, even with a 20) or they would hallucinate their own death until they actually died. They were not supposed to be here. This trap was not meant for them. They all died. Thankfully this was a one shot.

@Flavoredbacon33

2 жыл бұрын

My table just knows when I say “Are you sure you want to do this?” They need to make sure to take in all the information because there is a possibility they missed something that will get them killed. I rarely use it and let my party deal with the consequences. Expect, for example, when a new player was about to ambush what looked to be a “Full plate armored Orc with battlescars. They were a personal guard of a noble woman and the only one there” my other player about shit himself when he said yeah I want to attack.

@JPatterson61586

2 жыл бұрын

I, as a DM, have a rule, and my players know it. If I ask “Are you sure you want to do that” take a moment, be sure, because it is going to be very important, and possibly very difficult to undo that action. If you say, “yes” and I come back at ask you again “If you are sure” you’re about to do something that is going to kill you, your party or both. If you come back and say “yes” again, I’ll ask the party if they want to interject anything. If they don’t move to stop the PC, the boulder is released from its spot and you have to either run away, deal with it, or get squished. (Not always a boulder). Sadly most try to deal with it in a way they won’t work and get squished.

@DEPA182

2 жыл бұрын

@@JPatterson61586 i do that to the difference is i do it on right decisions as well. The are you sure is way more effective when they have to think about everything, and my party knows i do it even if what they want to do is how i intended it to.

@RagnaGaming

2 жыл бұрын

When I start a fresh campaign, as a DM, I always preface it with "My job is to kill you, your job is to not get dead" so when they do something that even I'm like "Uh...a-are you sure?" they then go into a group discussion very nervously. I mean, I'm the guy that (literally) dropped a Spell-Warped/Plane Touched/Ravenous-Flesh Golem with Vampire/Were Mimic minions on his party. With glee. So when something gives ME pause, they know things are about to get inception level crazy.

As someone who has played a lawful good pally, that’s the dream scenario for me. Using charisma rolls to inspire the weak to stand together against a force of evil with you leading the charge would be awesome.

There are two moments in the GM's explanation that make it seem like...no one in the party was comunicating with them. The most glaring one is that the GM was ousted for the previous GM/Ranger. The other was, "Oh, Wizard isn't coming today; you have to run her character," on the day of the session. Like, I realize the GM explained that GM/Ranger wanted to rest between GMing hence how they ended up being GM but...it was like no one else bothered to shift who they should contact for scheduling.

@dimsufferer9951

11 ай бұрын

At that point, one would have to ask if these people even like you? They don't communicate with you, they don't listen to you, they oust you without a second thought

" When will you learn?! When will you learn- that your actions have consequences!? " Basically.

@liamdalemon1525

4 жыл бұрын

that wasn't even their actions having consequences that was them jumping into a volcano and then demoting the DM because they got burned!

@Hazknoklu

4 жыл бұрын

So lawful stupid paladin does stuff. Party is cool with it, seem to be having fun. DM freaks out cause "DATS NOT HOW YOU LAWFUL STUPID" and then they kick the DM out of the group? Sorry, there's got to be more to this story that the DM is not sharing cause it reflects badly on them. You don't get kicked out of a group unanimously for nothing. Lets read between the lines here. Scared a player away on your first session DM'ing, check. Try your best to railroad party but still fail at it, check. Then blow up/yell at people having fun for......having fun because their fun is "stupid", check. Really makes the DM seem like the bad guy, no?

@chalchiutliqa2321

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hazknoklu True, you have a point there. I still have an opinion, which is that the paladin was the one leading the whole party and someone who was really having fun, which ended when the whole party died, sucking out any fun out of all, and the DM was trying to prevent the death. That's just my opinion though, I might be wrong in some points-

@ludgerwillkresnik4871

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hazknoklu hey Maurice

@pluubooruu

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hazknoklu The thing is, the DM is in control of the overarching narrative, with the players using that narrative as a device to have fun and change it. THIS is what seemed like disrespect on Tormond's part : - He was the leader. The party followed him. He had control over them. - He was even trying to CONTROL the narrative, like the DM is somehow supposed to work in a way to make 4 lvl 3 heroes beat an army of fifty orcs? No, this was Tormond wanting complete and utter control over the space. The party, the DM, the narrative, everything. This was him, trying to be "alpha". Apparently it worked. I would've honestly been way less merciful than this DM. If he would run towards the army, party in tow, they would've been trampled on by the Orcs, TPK, and I would continue the narrative "With the adventurers killed and the guards already on edge, the orcs easily ransack and kill the remaining townspeople & farmers." And then I would announce there would be no more sessions and I would no longer be playing with them. I can't stand people who need to control everything, and the people that facilitate their BS.

I would say “Due to your violent and reckless ways you are stripped of your Paladin privileges and can no longer use your spell slots”

@hokutoulrik7345

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this to me would be one of those alignment changing, 'your god has abandoned you for your actions' kind of situation. Send the paladin into neutral good alignment and just make them a fighter or something. I don't understand why so many people play paladins like this.

@oluftheexplorer9476

2 жыл бұрын

@@hokutoulrik7345 My guess, too much World of Warcraft, where most paladins are just fighters, with the exception of Uther

@WickedCrispy

2 жыл бұрын

@@oluftheexplorer9476 This ^. It's the worst one dimensional cardboard cutout of a garbage generic caricature of a trope. Seen it a ton in the Star Wars games I used to play, too, both Jedi trying to police the universe and Dark Siders trying to murderhobo genocide everyone for no reason.

@danmorgan3685

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, being a Paladin is supposed to be difficult. In my current campaign I play a Paladin but not true to type. Nobody plays their character true to type so it doesn't make sense for me to do it. Still it would be nice.

@benjaminthibieroz4155

2 жыл бұрын

On a side note, I wish more people realized becoming a paladin involved a lot of training and time with a cult, so there's no way someone as stupid and stubborn would be anointed.

I love the idea of that half-orc rogue: "Don't need to be silent if noone is watching."

@ijustdocomments6777

9 ай бұрын

I was genuinely delighted by the concept "Not sure why she chose to play a rogue" "Guessing because it's hilarious?"

I remember I was in a game where each of our characters were being chased out of hell by some giant terrifying monster. And one of them was like "I run toward the sounds!" Dm: "Really?" Player: "Yes!" Dm:"Alright roll a new character" That character lasted a whole 15 minutes

@BadassHater1

11 ай бұрын

There's being brave And then there's just having no self-preservation whatsoever The difference being a brave person KNOWS when he needs to be brave. A suicidal moron is always a suicidal moron. No matter the context.

@Xeridanus

3 ай бұрын

One of the most epic moments I can remember, from the longest campaign I've played in, was when a low level (2-4, i forget) warforged paladin on their warhorse charged a juvenile purple worm, yelling at the rest of the party to run while we still could. A juvenile just meant it did slightly less damage and it's psionic abilities hadn't developed yet. They died almost instantly, I think the purple worm still had a fourth attack. We also had a halfling bard in the party with the dragonmark of the house of healing. We had another horse but it did not want to be anywhere near the purple worm. So after a handle animal check to control the horse and another check to pick up the halfling we were riding alongside the paladin's warhorse away from the worm. The halfling then had to roll a check to jump onto the other horse and this is where the GM fudged things, allowed a high enough check to use the dragonmark to revive the paladin from below -con hitpoints. That same paladin then went on to become a saint in a massive battle with a witch/hag with only their sword left behind (the player had checked out of the game months earlier). The party took on the quest to return the sword as an artifact of the church. That was the best paladin I've seen and the best character that player has ever played despite the fact they hated it. That player typically played vampires or undead or half-dragon-half-wartroll monstrousities that could regenerate from everything except fire damage.

The fact that they kicked him out afterwards is the most heart wrenching thing in this entire story. They didn’t take his feelings into account at all, and were complete assholes. When people do this, they’re saying they don’t see this person as their equal, and it makes that person wonder if they are really the bad one there.

@G1NZOU

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalok155 But he didn't "enable" the Paladin at all. He was simply trying to desperately salvage the mess the Paladin player was making of the rest of the party's chances. He could have been more firm and railroaded them into not being able to do what the Paladin did, but for inexperienced DM's that's hard to do without feeling guilty about it or getting accused by the players of railroading them. All he really did was give them free will to make stupid decisions. Should he have put a stop to Tormund's stupidity way earlier with deadly consequences? Absolutely. However as a player Jim should have been more firm rather than being so laid back and letting Tormund's player lead the party into an unwinnable situation, especially when playing with a few other newbies in the party. I blame Jim for not backing up a fellow DM.

@dereksinger4328

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalok155 It is not the dm's job to save the players from their decisions

@idony9661

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalok155 the DM is a guide not a babysitter

@APerson-ws4cw

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalok155 it's not the DM's fault that the party is incomprehensibly stupid.

@DevinJuularValentine

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalok155 um it was his first time DMing, and he had to do it with a really bad player. That's a super shitty thing to say, everyone starts somewhere. Maybe you're Maurice

Party: gets themselves killed doing something so stupid DM tells them it’s a bad idea Also party: OMG DM WHY DID YOU MAKE THINGS UNFAIR. NOW U NO LONGER DM

@kasper7574

4 жыл бұрын

You forgot one thing.... Party: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

@Nyrufa

4 жыл бұрын

@@kasper7574 Two things: the Darkness spell isn't counteracted by Darkvision. You need magic to pierce it's effects.

@Tbm998

4 жыл бұрын

In the comments, OP says that the party only kicked him out because Maurice WOULD NOT STOP WHINING AND BITCHING to them until they did. Not entirely party's fault, but they do need to grow a spine.

@FreedomAndPeaceOnly

4 жыл бұрын

If I had been this DM I would have told this Snowflakes that their characters are just barely better nobodys and not worldsafing Heroes. People these days. :))

@danamoore1788

4 жыл бұрын

@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly I am sorry. But I think the DM rattle is the one to get through to idiots. Party: "We will march on an Orc Horde." DM: "Are you Sure?" If they don't take the hint, wipe them out.

I honestly love that Jim just went with the flow and let the party make all those mistakes, it says a lot that after the TPK he was just chuckling to himself how stupid that situation had been

Love how you've got a chill elf, a rogue orc who just kills everything, a Gnome played by a punk and a bastard

"Lawful good" just sounds like "chaotic evil" with extra steps of talking

@SupaDanteX

3 жыл бұрын

Personally I think this paladin was playing Lawful Evil.

@54321blader

3 жыл бұрын

@@SupaDanteX I would call it a Chaotic Neutral, personally. He was killing evil things(good) for his own selfish reasons(evil) and going about it with no rhyme, reason, or strategy.

@danmorgan3685

2 жыл бұрын

That's how a lot of people play it. They think they can adopt a moral relativist approach to a character who's worldview is fundamentally opposed to that.

@Lobsterwithinternet

2 жыл бұрын

@@danmorgan3685 More like most people just play themselves in different costumes rather than actually play a role.

@anonymousanonymous9587

2 жыл бұрын

Your alignment chart is NOT a label. WHEN WILL THEY LEARN

As a GM myself, I started fuming when they said the party basically just elected a different GM at the last minute after a week of preparing the material for the current campaign. Even if we're only getting one side of the story here, I can't imagine a scenario where they are the good guys. I'm glad OP found some new friends.

@codyholley

2 жыл бұрын

I most certainly can, however they had a different idea for a dnd game than the dm. It's as simple as that.

@coledarby665

2 жыл бұрын

@@codyholley Them deciding to switch dm’s is understandable but not letting the OP know, letting him plan and prepare all week and only telling him when he gets to the next session is a dick move.

@danielramsey6141

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was some bullshit. It’s clear that without him, They clearly would’ve Died! It also pisses me off that the Paladin dude shrugs at the thought of his character dying by simply making a New guys! That is some bullshit too! I would totally Kick that dude for being a Willing Dumbass! And just a bad friend for pulling that crap.

@nazeem8068

2 жыл бұрын

I mean the GM was being really unreasonable. The paladin wasn’t even being disrespectful.

@onilink0thefur

2 жыл бұрын

@@nazeem8068 you're kidding right? Did we watch different videos?

The fact that the rest of the party just went along with the paladins bullshit is absolutely insane to me.

@Vossenator

7 күн бұрын

There's got to be more to the story than what we are told. Remember, we are hearing from the bias perspective of the DM himself, not the PCs. For all we know, they went along for a valid reason.

"... lawful good isn't exclusive to police officers or lawyers..." -CritCrab Me: Hold up, lawyers are lawful good?

@Me-jx1mo

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought they were closer to lawful evil

@turtlelord8021

2 жыл бұрын

@@Me-jx1mo I feel like lawyers are a pretty big lawful neutral.

@PiroMunkie

2 жыл бұрын

I'd go for lawful neutral. It's not about right or wrong, it's about what you can prove in court.

@zach415

2 жыл бұрын

Tyr is a lawful good deity in the Forgotten Realms and lawyers are counted among his worshippers

@EllieC130

Жыл бұрын

As someone on the lawyer path, we pretty much have to be lawful neutral or we're not doing the job properly. Though some are more lawful evil or lawful good ig.

Meanwhile... Tiamat: "Damn... I thought MY servants were incompetent." Bahamut: "Ya... anyway, wanna trade? I'll even throw in a few extra souls if you take him." Tiamat: "Not in a thousand, thousand years."

@EzekiesAcheron

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao that feels so accurate.

@joeyvanman8795

4 жыл бұрын

@Afqwa Surprisingly no probably not xD

@Orsonfoe

4 жыл бұрын

with this i think the GM should have had bahamut show and angrerly scold him cause he just killed some one with important information about tiamat.

@applepopapplerancher3211

3 жыл бұрын

@Afqwa Okay, trap bait it is.

@deseanlothian

3 жыл бұрын

Tyr stays quiet in the background.

you know how they say "the dm railroaded me" imagine being a character and your whole party railroad themselves.

@applepopapplerancher3211

3 жыл бұрын

It's a good old "Fine. I'll do it myself." Classic move, truly!

@kalok155

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, he did railroad them. But the thing is, railroading isn't bad. The DM is creating a story, those are railroads. The trick is to create the illusion of choice, yet encourage the players to engage with the story, to hide the rails. "A giant orc army is going to besiege the city" is a railroady thing, but that's not bad. Having a time constraint, having stakes, those are good. He's forcing them to do something about this attack, but they're so preoccupied with breaking his railroad, they forget WHY to break that. His storytelling wasn't bad up till there (It was shithouse afterwards). There was no reason to dodge the setpiece, but still try to fight the enemies. All they did was derail their trail.

@mrroboshadow

3 жыл бұрын

@@snickykitty22 and even if they say the railroading part was the defending the city part, then theres an easy answer to that too how the hell would you expect to fight an army of orcs otherwise?!!!

@jangelaclough5457

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalok155 I mean, i don't see it as a complete railroad mainly bc he did try to work with them and the paladin was too stubborn to do things. Though he was a new dm, he probably would've let them go and sneak off into the orc encampment if he knew they would try something smart (like attempt to poison them or set fire to the camp). He even offered to provide more support. But he knew the paladin would barge in and knew there would be too many orcs (orcs fighting a battle/war would want to bring at least 20) which is why he deterred it so much. I would say the dm was 100 in the right and the prior dm is in the wrong ONLY for allowing the paladin to dictate the game (seeing as he sided with him to kick out the new dm,allowed him to replay the same character, and prolly even allowed him to succeed in his quest of glory)

@theomegajuice8660

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalok155 Railroading implies that they were only given one possible path when actually all that happened was that the one particular path the players insisted on using was clearly not viable (plausibly in universe and repeatedly stated out of character to the players) This is less a railroad and more like offering a player a bunch of doors only to watch them break their skull open by repeatedly slamming their head against a wall instead.

"I keep running forward." "There's a cliff here." "I KEEP RUNNING" "Are you sure?" "YES." "You barrel off the cliff." "WoW, mAyBe GiVe Us SoMe WaRnInG aNd DoN't JuSt TPK

That player really had main character syndrome. I kinda liked Jim though, I'm sad that he didn't stick up for the DM more, though we don't know the the parties friend ship dynamics. DM may have been the outlier friend so it was easier for Jim to side with his girlfriend and Stupid.

@chriswhinery925

Жыл бұрын

Especially since Jim was their original DM and should have known better than any of them how much effort the new DM was putting in there.

"THE SUBTELTY of the Kool-Aid Man striking an artillery shell with a sledgehammer" I can see why this guy makes a good dm lol. Edit: I finally fixed Sudelty

@notsmoothie

3 жыл бұрын

Subtlety

@xenoswarrior6900

3 жыл бұрын

@@notsmoothie I dont know where you heard a 'b' in Sudelty, but thanks.

@notsmoothie

3 жыл бұрын

@@xenoswarrior6900 6:17

@xenoswarrior6900

3 жыл бұрын

@@notsmoothie XD I was just joking, I know I spelled it wrong. Thanks for correcting me.

@Manglet762

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously though, the english language is pretty dumb.

Imagine a Tormund that vowed to save anybody from drowning in their path. "I DRINK the LAKE!"

Taking out longsword, coming into bandit camp and shouting that they are under arrest is pretty badass.

Honestly op is a nicer DM then me. I wouldn't have even talked out of character. I would have just made sure the paladin died and allowed the party to make a desperate escape. Edit: never mind op did exactly what I'd do. Lol

@dodojesus4529

2 жыл бұрын

Orc warboss turns up absolutely smears the paladin walks of whilst insulting the fleeing party members.

OP should have said: “You’re right, it was unfair. I should have just let you walk into that horde of 50 orcs!”

@applepopapplerancher3211

3 жыл бұрын

I would've. Look, if you're gonna... say... jump off a roof during a stealth mission where there are sound sensitive enemies in plain sight... and you land on a car... weeell, don't expect for them to brush it off as the wind. Or for the orcs to just magically die cause of mass heart attack or something.

@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD

3 жыл бұрын

He should have also told them to go fuck themselves when he showed up to the mutiny game. Why would you waste your time playing with those people?

@Aim54Delta

3 жыл бұрын

I would have, as well. There are some players who like to treat the game like a video game scripted with a completely overpowered player character who the world revolves around. And there are groups/DMs who play to that standard. For them, the DM tailors the game such that they can do almost anything they want and still win - because the goal is not to play a role within a world but to fulfill power fantasy. What the group wanted was a DM who would grant their power fantasy, not one who would treat them like they were actually in a real world with consequences.

@TheHiddenDirector

3 жыл бұрын

@Christa Simon By your logic, though, he fulfilled it as a fair encounter. He pointed out POINT BLANK how they could've survived, and they still didn't do it.

@APerson-ws4cw

3 жыл бұрын

@Christa Simon the party got tons of opportunities to leave. They were told multiple times that going to the army head on was a bad idea, that was the first set of opportunities. They then saw the massive army head on, this was opportunity 2. They then fought a smaller portion where they got hit with darkness, opportunity 3. Then the DM straight up told them to leave the darkness, opportunity 4.

I love this story so much. Its like some random Rohan Soldier walking in frobt of helm's deep saying "dont worry bro i got this." Theoden is back there like "Lad. Get ur arse back in here we have ELVES!" "No bro, i said i got this." Lol

@liamwarner5749

10 ай бұрын

Even had the goblin/orc with a bomb and flaming torch

I have to say, half-orc brute of a Rogue is a cool idea that I feel I don't hear enough about. I think Spoony has an old video talking about a similar character. If I recall, the introduction for the character went something like "How is this supposed to be our thief when he's a huge brute?". The rogue clubs the naysayer over the head, knocking him out and taking his stuff, saying to the others "When he wakes up, tell him I've got his stuff in my room."

*Players tries to fight an army of orcs after repeated warnings not to inside a magical cloud of darkness.* Players: Why would the DM do this to us?

@bendystrawz2832

2 жыл бұрын

This might be one of those few times to split the party. "There's 50 of them." _Aight Ima head back to town, that's enough warning for me, yall have fun._

As a DM, when Tormund said "I will not allow them to live" would've been the moment I would've replied. "Wrong. *They* will not allow *you* to live.

Rogue with high Strength and Charisma, based around just intimidation... sounds absolutely hilarious. Not great at sneaking, just telling guards they saw nothing. "YOU SAW NOTHING!" "I-I saw nothing!" "DAMN RIGHT!"

16:58 the way the dialogue was cut off, i cant help but laugh xD this is so good!

Meeting in the tavern is a classic way to start. It may seem a bit stale, but it holds a special place in my heart

@kevincass9917

4 жыл бұрын

Its a great way to start, and can be a simple meeting point where each player's character can come to interact.

@Pixel-Cheese-Cake

4 жыл бұрын

Build a city and five ways to come in, let the players know what they see on their way in and meet at a guild hall. If you want something new.

@waaurufu

4 жыл бұрын

Just cause something is a trope, doesn't mean it's bad. Meeting in a tavern is the old-timey equivalent of meeting up at a coffee shop, totally normal for the setting with no need to justify it.

@donniejefferson9554

4 жыл бұрын

I enjoy it for comedy reasons. Nothing more fun than purposefully doing a stereotypical tavern meeting that is so much of a stereotype that it becomes funny

@anthonystike6034

4 жыл бұрын

@Sam Larrimore breaking out of jail, huh?

Lawful moron is the type of person who in the zombie apocolypes would play loud music and when he finds 2 people robbing someone for their supplies would with Literally 3 bullets left, shooting all 3 in the air to threaten the robbers attracting a horde of zombies then being shocked when his character is eaten to death.

@hazydoom69

4 жыл бұрын

Bold of you to assume there not bitten right off the bat.

@reloadpsi

4 жыл бұрын

@@hazydoom69 Perhaps, but it's not nearly as entertaining.

@hazydoom69

4 жыл бұрын

@@reloadpsi ya got me on that one.

2:45 Hey man, its still stealth if theres no witness left to snitch on you Edit: Bruh, say what tou want about Maurice but Jim *knew* what was coming and just sat there on his ass smh

@SeanStrife

Жыл бұрын

There's a term for people like that: slackass.

@Eye_Of_Odin978

Жыл бұрын

Having been the "Jim" of my group, playing Devil's Advocate here, he probably just felt kinda powerless to stop it tbh. I've been the forever-DM and I'm kinda laid-back and lowkey, generally so I can relate. You don't want to make huge waves or disrupt too much because people start saying stuff like "oh YEAH!? Why don't you just RUN THE GAME then, like always!?" when you say stuff as a player. Not saying that's exactly HOW it goes down or that it always happens, it doesn't. But it happens enough to make you not want to cast light onto yourself when playing as a PC. Ultimately yes, Jim should have said something, but you ain't ever bit your tongue just to keep the peace among friends? If you haven't had to, I guarantee you've not hung around many people in your life.

@Jasmixd

Жыл бұрын

​@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Honestly, that's not all that bad, even though I think he should have intervened and at least turned his character back, if not the whole party. You can also see this whole ordeal as a learning moment for the newbies, so that's a possibility I guess. Although from what OP later wrote, it seems they just weren't the same type of a DM, whatever that means. The real dick move however, was how he did not inform OP about him resuming to DM for their group. Sure, if the group's not a fan of OP's style, go back to Jim, but you bloody well should inform the poor sod about it in advance.

@godofmath1039

10 ай бұрын

​@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Dude, just admit that you're a pushover and a bad friend. There's a difference between "biting your tongue" so as to not stir up any trouble and just twiddling your thumbs doing absolutely nothing to help a friend out. You probably haven't hung around many people in your life if your idea of keeping the peace is only taking action when it hurts a friend for no justifiable reason.

10:00 at this point, as the DM I probably would've said "Okay, Out of character, I had planned on you guys protecting the walls and having control over how the defenses worked then having your characters mop up some of the remaining orcs, etc etc, so there's a warband of more than fifty orcs out there. Personally, I think you guys should go do scouting then return to the city, but if you guys are willing to suggest another way to take out fifty orcs I'm open to OoC suggestions" and 16:00 probably would've been good to add "And I'm not experienced enough to adjust things fairly on the fly"

That kind of “I’m going off on my own so you might as well follow me” mentality is why I’m VERY happy my Bard has the Sleep spell. Recently, my party and I were attempting to tame a wolf for the Goblin to ride. We were doing stupid well on taming all 4 of the wolves we came across, so, being unprepared to add 4 wolves to the party, the DM railroaded us a little by having three of the wolves respond to the call of the nearby pack. We were bummed, but we still had one wolf, so no big deal. However our Cleric decided she NEEDED these wolves and suddenly took off after AN ENTIRE PACK OF WOLVES. My bard whipped out her violin and cast a second level sleep spell, making the Cleric pass out mid-run and faceplant into the dirt. Our Ranger dragged her back over the the party and then I released the spell.

@iJackSparrow

4 жыл бұрын

I had to do something like that,just recently as well. but this was based off of the other players character and how they function. We have a Barbarian-Monk in the party that values life in a particular manner. In such that everyone deserves to live despite their background as a person. When a group of NPCs with high merit took down a flying ship full of soldiers both drafted and volunteers that said barbarian monk had saved from a previous attack our barbarian friend was particularly mad. The NPCs weren't doing this out of sheer blood thirst however, these soldiers were sent to invade and destroy a holy city that these NPCs protect. These soldiers also had no idea that their mad emperor would send them on such a mission. Now, my character is a silver dragon fledgling in secret and is starting off on some of her first adventures with this very same party as a paladin. I had to cast sleep on our barbarian friend to keep them from dying in one of the quickest fashions possible.

@Kirikirikiru

4 жыл бұрын

Lol, what happened next?

@inyyxcustoms5271

4 жыл бұрын

Elini The frog she had no idea it was my bard that put her to sleep, since she’d never seen that spell used. The bard managed to convince her that she just must be really tired and it’s time to go back. However she figured it out later when my bard put someone else to sleep, and was very cranky about it 😂😂

@ethanmoss1026

3 жыл бұрын

iJackSparrow d

@mrroboshadow

3 жыл бұрын

i know im way late but correct me if im wrong your deterrent for "party member does something stupid" is the A-Team method?

Despite what he says at the beginning, I think the DM here handled things very well. He really did give them all every chance he could without breaking his world and story, and his plans for continuing the campaign sounded fun. His only mistake was, maybe, lashing out, but as a beginner DM doing his best I would have been hella frustrated with that asshole too.

@BrightWulph

2 жыл бұрын

All things considered I think the DM handled himself well, I probabbly would have gotten frustrated and railroaded them into staying in the town. XD

@Lobsterwithinternet

2 жыл бұрын

@@BrightWulph I don't. If I were him, I'd let him get himself killed. One warning from the guard and that's it. If you always try to save them from their stupidity, you’ll have a party precisely like this one that expects the DM to protect them from death no matter how stupidly they act.

@Elenrai

2 жыл бұрын

@@BrightWulph As a DM I always remind my group that running away is an option in session 1. For real if your players lack basic fear for their characters safety, just stop trying and do whatever

@bunnygirlerika9489

2 жыл бұрын

Even an experienced DM could lash out in frustration at something like this.

You said justice and it blew my car speakers…

After preparing the next session for a week and then getting to hear without any warning that they'd just picked someone else to dm I would not have rolled a new character and just left ngl. The pure disrespect to the amount of work put in would have made me endlessly mad

"We should never have gone up against something like that" you're right, *you* shouldnt have...

@electroshockgamer2733

3 жыл бұрын

"And you wouldn't have if you weren't a bloody moron"

@venusluminariesdiina4027

3 жыл бұрын

They reminded me of a certain Party of Noobs who got their Group wiped in a certain Episode 1 in a Goblin Cave ... ... ... ... but this Time, there was no Silver-Ranked Badass coming to help their Sorry Asses. x'D

@54321blader

3 жыл бұрын

@@venusluminariesdiina4027 Where the goblins at?

The second I hear the words "So you do that?" come out of my DM's mouth, I'm either reconsidering or at least planning for an oncoming beatdown because I recognize it as the signal that I just made a horrible mistake. This guy had to BEG them to stop and they still didn't listen. I don't know what they were expecting.

4:37 That little giggle gets me every time.

YEEEEEEEEEE OP here! Thank you so much for doing my story! Not gonna lie, the whole inspiration for me writing all that down was in the hopes that you'd feature it. It was everything I hoped for! The JUSTICE parts were just...flawless. Hail crab! 🦀🦀🦀🦀 EDIT Minor update to the story: I recently reconnected with an old friend of mine who knows both Jim and Maurice from a LARP. In fact, his character in the LARP was Maurice's apprentice, and Maurice played a very similar character to Tormund. He said that Maurice had gotten better at playing that type of LG character. He was still stubborn, but he wasn't reckless or stupid about it. He said that, given the timeline, back during the game Maurice was going through a lot of stuff, I'm guessing about coming out, and when this whole event happened it would have been right around the worst of it. But he's apparently doing better now, which is really good to hear. I do hope he's well. When I told him about Jim's actions, he shook his head and agreed that it sounded like something he would do. We both reached the conclusion that Jim is a nice guy, until he's an asshole. My friend was not surprised that he was involved the mutiny, which he agreed was absolutely bananas. So that's the update. Nothing major but it's at least a little bit of closure! BTW I'm still DMing, it's going great, my players are all very happy and my game of choice that I'm running now is the Fantasy Flight Star Wars game. It's fantastic. 👍🏻

@Keyce0013

4 жыл бұрын

You know, I really like what you did with the ambush encounter as a means to break the players out of their bull-headed style of gameplay. That was a really crafty encounter to have them fight and it's a shame that they didn't learn from that. However, in this instance I think the problem came from both Maurice AND you not understanding the type of game that the other person wanted to play. It looked to me like he wanted to play into the heroic fantasy and lead his squad of Good Guys™ around crusading righteously. There was a video someone did about an orc paladin whose story follows this same sort of path. The other players ended up becoming secondary characters in that story, but I think they had a good time of it regardless of the fact that they didn't have the spotlight. It can work sometimes! I hope that you continue to play DnD, and keep drawing wisdom from the event to make your games better. Cheers!

@JOfJaZ

4 жыл бұрын

I feel bad for you man. Your story seemed really interesting and I would gladly have you DM at my table any day.

@HamsterPants522

4 жыл бұрын

It's clear that there was a big misunderstanding between you and the paladin in this story. Maybe he wanted plot armor so that he could roleplay as a legendary hero who does the impossible through brute force. If he didnt tell you that's what he wanted, then that's his fault of course.

@TheRealBrit

4 жыл бұрын

"Don't worry. We'll be fine." is something you consider insulting and disrespectful? What have you gotta be on to be that fucking sensitive 🤣 The rest I understand though

@universalperson

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheRealBrit Hi Maurice. This might hard to understand, but when people give you sincere warnings about the zombie plague and blow them off, it means you don't give a damn. So they shouldn't give a damn when the zombies eat your brains and the demons eat your soul.

"Swinging like they were trying out for the Mets" I would fucking love to play with this DM.

@patjacksonpodium

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude. I try 🙂👍🏻

@dremiphamusofsmoke1163

3 жыл бұрын

@@patjacksonpodium Aye! The DM himself in all his glory! Praise be the Funny One! (I would want to play with this DM too, but I am just a noob at dnd still.)

@frostkitsunelive7661

3 жыл бұрын

@@patjacksonpodium I'd love to play with this DM, as well. Maybe it'd finally get me over this curse I have with always ending up in bad D&D groups and sessions.

@Lobsterwithinternet

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't. He sounds boring. If I wanted to play Skyrim with cheats enabled, I’d do just that.

@curtisfranzen986

2 жыл бұрын

I know right. The Mets practically have a traditional of sucking. Before anyone busts on me, I understand. I'm a Cubs fan.

I just realized something, those kind of paladins are just like Skyrim NPCs, they just charge to face a threat and sometimes they're dead before even landing a hit

"... busting into their campsite with all the subtlety of the Kool-Aid Man in plate mail smacking an artillery shell with a sledgehammer." I was not ready for this.

Been DMing since about 81. A couple of things you could do in this situation ( or similar) 1. Have the captain of the guard order the character to stay. In a wartime situation his orders are "lawful". 2. Point out that leaving the townspeople undefended would not be considered "good". Then, you just sit back and let him decide whether he wants to lose his powers or not. Remember, alignment change is a powerful tool.

@Lobsterwithinternet

2 жыл бұрын

Little late to the party but I agree. If he continued to go fight the whole army by himself, is turn to the rest of the party and tell them “You know, you guys don't have to follow him right?” The paladin and everyone would match off into the sunset while everyone else who remained would roleplay out preparing the defenses and strategizing the rest of the day. By the next morning, the Orc army marches up to the town and lobs the heads of the paladin and the rest of the PCs who left over the walls using catapults. A fitting end for such naves.

@codyholley

Жыл бұрын

@@Lobsterwithinternet i can't even say that even that would change anything unfortunately.

@Lobsterwithinternet

Жыл бұрын

@@codyholley Who said anything about changing anything? I'm just letting the dice fall as they may.

@codyholley

Жыл бұрын

@@Lobsterwithinternet seem like the dragonborn paladin was the leader to me they probably wouldn't have Still followed him

@user-bu2sf1gb5t

Жыл бұрын

Bold of you to assume that "lawful good" paladin even knows the definition of "lawful good". He would more likely still try to go on and if captain tries to stop him - he would proceed to slaughter the entire town. You know - because nobody should stand between him and TRUE JUSTICE (whatever-the-fuck it means in his head)

Jim is the spirit of a man that died long ago during a D&D campaign that never reached its conclusion. He's continued to exist in the material plane, joining many games, just along for the ride. In death, he's learned that the true joy of the game is just being at the table and watching the stories unfold, no matter what kind of mistakes are made. He knows they're going to die, he knows the DM and Maurice are butting heads, and he knows that no one is really having a good time. But he is. Because he's there for the love of the game, and he knows that these mortal's lives won't last longer than a century. Might as well enjoy it while they're still here.

@kalok155

3 жыл бұрын

Jim and Katie are the only players who are worth spit in the game lol.

@SavagePassion666

3 жыл бұрын

You just described a classic troll.

"LAWFUL STUPID *meep* HOLE.... *breaks into laughter*" You're having too much fun with that voice edit lol.

This man has a bs tolerance level beyond mine, I would've made the orcs hold Tormond hostage as a warning for other heroes who attempted to save anyone and cripple him to trap this one dude into playing a useless husk of a paladin until he learned his lesson.

paladin: ThAt eNcOuNtEr WaS wAy ToO hArD! DM: YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO RUN INTO 50 ORKS WHEN I SAID THAT YOU WERE ALMOST CERTAIN TO BE KILLED!!!

@liamdalemon1525

4 жыл бұрын

@Dwali Obahbwah to win that thing you would need to be freelancer levels of lucky!

@xenoswarrior6900

4 жыл бұрын

Well, even a paladin with max level 3 game health of 28, could not beat 50 3-8 dmg enemies, even with all nat twenties. Even at 18 constitution, hits would slip in on 19 and 20 rolls, and the dm gets 50 chances every turn XD. Statistically and logically impossible.

@kalok155

3 жыл бұрын

@@xenoswarrior6900 That's why the DM is an idiot. A smarter DM would have let the Paladin do his thing. Fuck the barrelbomb. Let him square up to 50 orcs. Then let each of them take a roll at him. He will be dead very quickly.

@xenoswarrior6900

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalok155 True. It sucks because I've had plenty of these moments where I feel like I'm limiting player choice because the storyline I'm driving would be cooler (at least, in my opinion as the DM, they usually dont see it that way though)

“Do any of you have an intelligence or wisdom score above 10?” Yes “Then your character would know that this is a suicide mission, and that walking face first into the warband will be your deaths. You need a tactical advantage in order to fight these orcs, an advantage that you do not currently possess. If you continue forward, there can be a combat section, however some of you will die, and you have no chance at all of succeeding this way.”

@pphyjynx8217

4 жыл бұрын

Lawful Stupid Paladin: JUSTICE WILL PROTECT ME

@TigerKirby215

4 жыл бұрын

Even an intelligence score of 4 would be enough. Even the dumbest pig can recognize a slaughterhouse.

@TrueKingOfTheWolves

4 жыл бұрын

The funny thing is that all situations can be salvaged so long as players are willing. In a near identically scenario to this, as a cleric of life, I bargained a duel with an orc army’s chieftain to buy the survivors time to escape from the blockaded church. It cost an eye and having to be his pet slave until I could figure out how to kill his ass but that doe eyed cleric became a badass. Gouged out his one good eye and grafted it on and the clan now served a blond haired human life domain cleric in all her glory. Played their half-orc son later down the track since being a warchief became a bit much.

@DreamingBlindly

4 жыл бұрын

I think that Paladin had an int and wis of -10 ...

@deathknightrevan

4 жыл бұрын

@@TrueKingOfTheWolves That's fucking metal dude.

Man that paladin should have been given the oathbreaker subclass lmao

This is still one of the most frustrating stories I've ever heard, to the point where it continues to infuriate me even now. Probably will for years to come, too...

Tormund's pursuit of justice would probably make Bahamut facedesk.

@patrickdees5256

4 жыл бұрын

Face desk, burn said desk, curse tiamat who probably gifted him the desk, and toss the desk at Tormund for his blasphemy.

@aralornwolf3140

4 жыл бұрын

I think it would be more like facemountain... he's a dragon god...

@vahlok1426

4 жыл бұрын

@@aralornwolf3140 Faceearth

@aralornwolf3140

4 жыл бұрын

@@vahlok1426 , Now, Now, I don't believe a Lawful Good god would kill off millions of people from frustration because his follower is stupid...

@SymbioteMullet

4 жыл бұрын

@@aralornwolf3140 That was literally the plot of one of the Dragonlance novels... It does happen.

Man. I wish SO hard one of the players would see this and try to explain themselves. I would love to see their reasoning

@rogerwilco2

2 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@paxtheskeleton6636

2 жыл бұрын

This story is too well explained for me to think it’s someone making themselves look better then they actually are. Usually you can tell something is off with OPs in stories like this so I would absolutely love to see Tormund’s POV of this situation and try to defend themselves.

@dr.archaeopteryx5512

Жыл бұрын

Next up, Tormund tells the story of the awful DM who punished his refusal to get railroaded by throwing unfair encounters and insults at him and then proceeding to keep his PC alive past a TPK to, presumably, get tortured

@You-are-definitely-right-but

Жыл бұрын

@@paxtheskeleton6636 "What? I thought that my actions would have no consequences!"

Sometimes, as a DM, you just gotta let 'the stupid' run its course and watch 'em die the death they earned.

Normally I hate KZread channels that just harvest content from Reddit, but you offer some pretty good insight. The comforting sound of waves in the background is a nice touch. I just love hearing about DnD, since I've never really been able to play myself.

A half-orc Rogue with high charisma eh? YOU NOT SEE GROG!

@d-jdoctor5866

4 жыл бұрын

Can I just say, I really like your profile picture. That is all, have a good day

@dakotasan8719

4 жыл бұрын

@@d-jdoctor5866 Why thank you. I hope you have a lovely day as well.

@evilbob840

4 жыл бұрын

Come one, we all know Grog is a goliath barbarian. :)

@blacklion8307

4 жыл бұрын

@@evilbob840 There is also a DnD-Story about someone who made a Half-Orc Rogue named Grog, but instead of making him stealthy, they made him super intimidating and instead of sneaking past people, he'd walk straight up to them and shout at them "YOU NOT SEE GROG!", which they would confirm, while completely shitting their pants, due to his talent for intimidation.

@evilbob840

4 жыл бұрын

@@blacklion8307 Nice, that brings the OP into a whole new light!

“I don’t retreat” ok then charge through the darkness and save the blinded ranger

@kana22693

4 жыл бұрын

"N-no I don't want five attacks of opportunity." ~probably

@rageoftyrael

4 жыл бұрын

@@kana22693 I mean... disengage is an option, lmao

@kana22693

4 жыл бұрын

@@rageoftyrael Oh, that's the thing I never actually do.

@-Big_Big

4 жыл бұрын

THAT MEANS MOVING BACKWARDS! NEVER!

@banjo5224

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't do this but something similar my friend was paralysed so I ran past 4 guys to keep him safe all of the opportune attacks missed and I'm still mythed as to how

My DM ruling in that situation: Paladin leaves town undefended after please from townsfolk to go kill the orc boss. You have committed a hell of an evil act in the name of personal pride and ambition. Congratulations, you're now Lawful Neutral at best.

I love how much fun you had with this. >XD 4:35 I feel so sorry for the DM. They tried to make it fun, then even put in time to save the campaign. And they just made a decision without them? So rude and inconsiderate.

Alternative title: Lawful stupid paladin makes stupid choices and wins a stupid prize.

@NemoThundersong

4 жыл бұрын

The Darwin award?

@robthebuilder2966

4 жыл бұрын

Red Cross in this scenario, yes exactly.

@annabella1650

4 жыл бұрын

The most literal interpretation of play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

@FreedomAndPeaceOnly

4 жыл бұрын

Lawful stupid does lawful stupid things.

@RunningWithRoses

4 жыл бұрын

Alternative-alternative title: Shitty DM gets mad about not being able to control player-characters, gets "offended" that people are having fun, and doesn't stick to his guns. they should have just fought 50 orcs because thats what they set out to do. As a DM, I would've had no problem controlling this group and the fact that this DM CLEARLY has not learned his lesson in just letting players do what they want, consequences an all, is frankly sad

One Player acts like that and just walks off then I am like okay "I'm staying here and the helping these people as the paladin should." "He can go die and we will defend the town." "As he does NOT speak for all of us"

This is a great example of people who don't understand lawful good doesn't need to mean awfully stupid.

So, he was basically playing Eric Cartman as a Paladin. "YOU WILL RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!"

@brothercaptainboris6870

4 жыл бұрын

*Gets killed* SCREW YOU DM, YOU'RE GOING HOME.

@daniellow426

3 жыл бұрын

Then he tries to get a second term as President.

"Why she didn't just play a fighter, I will never know." Two words: Sneak. Attack.

@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097

4 жыл бұрын

only works for finese weapons though?

@patrickdees5256

4 жыл бұрын

Also a stealthy orc with a rogue class, I'd probably do the same thing

@SapphireDragon357

4 жыл бұрын

@@patrickdees5256 But she wasn't stealthy and didn't get sneak attacks with a mace.

@patrickdees5256

4 жыл бұрын

@@SapphireDragon357 eh. Yeah but those abilities that rogues get so make it so you don't get hit as much

@patjacksonpodium

4 жыл бұрын

@@patrickdees5256 As the OP, I can 100% confirm that her stealth was gaaaaarbage. Not that she used it anyway. She wouldn't sneak up on you, she'd just whack you in the head as you're looking at her.

I keep coming back to this story because between the hilarious situation and CritCrab's narration it's just absolutely priceless

Welp, hearing what they were going up against and how pig headed they all were, I could tell that was going to be a wipe. Kind of like running into a whole mob of lvl 100 elite raid mobs when your just a level 1. The outcome was blatantly obvious, yet the players still didn’t even try to work around it. I feel for the DM real bad, but the paladin’s reactions were still funny as hell.

As a player, I would have just had my character run back to town. No, really: Tormund was clearly just going out to die for his god, not do anything remotely useful. And just for the record, he wasn't playing Lawful Good in the least. He clearly had NO concern for anyone other than himself and his self-important "crusade"; he even abandoned a whole town of innocent people to their fate solely so he could go chasing after glory and honor for himself. Nothing is more selfish. The DM may have made a few mistakes, but honestly those players just plain sucked.

@shadenox8164

4 жыл бұрын

Personally the first red flag for me was he made a dragonborn that worships bahamut. Yes bahamut is a lawful good deity but dragonborn culture sees all dragons as bad so if your dragonborn is worshiping one you need a damn good backstory to justify it,

@Thagesthoughts

4 жыл бұрын

TBH, when I play a paladin in Pathfinder, I spend the first ten rounds in every combat either fighting defensively, or in total defense, unless there is a damn good reason for it (like the enemy is objectively, irredeemably evil such as a balor, succubus, or who pinged Detect Evil so hard it gave my paladin a headache) and those rounds are spent trying to talk the opponent down, if they're sentient and share languages. There are enough blood-and-glory crusaders in the world, not enough paladins who lead by example and seek to save souls. I've always held that any paladin who willingly marches headfirst into death and drags his party with him would immediately Fall as soon as he set out on that course of action, unless he serves a god so zealous even Ragathiel would say they need to chill the hell out.

@TheSpartarox

4 жыл бұрын

This seems like a mistake a first time player would make, my first session, I had to free a party member from a couple of elvish guards. Instead of trying to reason with them or bribe them, I immediately fought them. The team survived the encounter but it could have gone a lot better, at the time I didn't know you could befriend npcs, just fight or not fight. And I also didn't know that you didn't have to fight to get xp. So lesson learned.

@aydan8535

4 жыл бұрын

@@shadenox8164 While this is indeed true in Forgotten Realms, it's not true for all settings. In fact, for the base 4e edition (the edition that this game takes place in) Dragonborn are very much associated with Bahamut, who is often seen as the patron God of their race. In his description in the 4e player's handbook, I believe it states explicitly that his followers include Dragonborn. Just my two cents.

@bradleyballinger2027

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the whole time, “no wonder the other DM is so laid back”. He would have to be, even the OP described the other DM as go with the flow and chill. Which isn’t inherently bad, but I don’t think the other guy pushes the players the way OP tried to.

This paladin pisses me off. He got the entire party killed by being an idiot, and blamed the dm for it.

@rachdarastrix5251

4 жыл бұрын

Funniest part is that to no surprise considering human nature though he lost the battle he won the war.

@z3aicogaming

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know what Tormund the Idiot said or did to oust the DM, he must've had rolled high on his charisma or had lots of bribes to make

@njalsand133

4 жыл бұрын

That paladin is on the path to evil

@redjive_industries3760

4 жыл бұрын

I was running a very loose game over Discord a while back, and the greatest mistake I made was not killing a PC who, when bored, decided to ask the other DM to have him encounter ‘the strongest monster in the area’ I wrapped up the encounter, which was done over two separate days but only a few hours, again, loose rules game, and I realized afterwards he should’ve either died or been horribly crippled. This dumbass didn’t seem to get it. At all. When I pointed out that he had just fought the region boss and I really should’ve just killed him for doing it ALONE, he said ‘I just wanted to fight the strongest monster, not a boss.’ so on and so forth

@0m3GAARS3NAL

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds more like the DM didn't realize that he's the DM, he has all of the control. If a player is going to go outside of the box, show the horrors that lie outside the box. Rocks Fall. You Die.

I know everyone's on the DM side because the Paladin is such a textbook case of Lawful Stupid but I'm more blown away that this guy was replaced as the DM, had the Players use the same characters and still thinks this was all Tormond's fault. Maybe they didn't like him as a DM, is that such a crime?