Nice video! Good job Daelen.

By removing a blade and weight off the turbine wheel, it does not take efficiency away from the wheel nor does it make it susceptible to stall. The only way for a turbine wheel to stall due to the drag coefficient of the compressor wheel is for the turbine wheel to have a poor aerodynamic design and or less free cm3 area to accommodate the amount of gasses it is supposed to accommodate and or to be of the wrong size. By reducing the blade count, and by optimizing their design, you allow more gasses to flow and be accommodated in the cm3 area in between the blades, thus raising the choke point of the wheel, while at the same time reducing backpressure and spinning it harder/faster. The blade surface that you lose from that removed blade can be added back by reducing the hub of the wheel and thus making the blades longer, but it can also be added back, up to point, as one needs to keep certain weight off,(reduced moment of inertia effect, lower boost threshold, faster transient response and spool time), to the rest of the blades by expanding their cm2 area through an optimized/efficient design. This is the same thing that Xona did here with their turbine wheel. They took the high and low aero design, and optimized it accordingly. Instead of making a turbine wheel with 10 even blades, like most turbine wheels of the specific size and not just out there, they made one with 5 full ones, and 5 half ones, so they have actually removed blade surface up to a point, as some of that blade surface was added back to the high blades. Plus they have spaced out the pairs, so as to create more free cm3 area for the gasses to be accommodated.

Wow, can't wait to see this on a Honda

Good stuff great channel

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Everithing looks like i have to change my garret for this xona but i need a video xona vs garret on the dyno to be 100% sure to make the change this month! 😉👍👍

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

Give us a shout, would love to talk specifics on your build!

where are the T4 divided housings?

Xona Rotor 78.64 (HTZ-3579 Billet Wheel) is the way to go baby!

UHFT-A that was a lot of turbo information. Name one thing you learned and what do you want to see next?

@94b20gsr

4 жыл бұрын

Norwegian 🤔

@tialproductsinc1860

4 жыл бұрын

I'd like to know why that guy can't get a pocket to hold that pen....

@nateevans5641

4 жыл бұрын

@@tialproductsinc1860 wins the internet for this week!

@KTMcaptain

4 жыл бұрын

I learned not to trust MAP...

@B7_S4_Turbo

4 жыл бұрын

I want to see you all compare back to back spool and power curves to a comparable sized other brand.

@Maperformance I love the technology in this new turbo. What Rona turbo do you have that compares to or better than a precision 6766 turbo. I run a 6766 1.15 back housing making 970whp 800tq on a Supra.

@Paper.Power.Politics

2 жыл бұрын

Xona 95 69s or xona 105 69s The first numbers are for how many pounds of air the turbo moves. 105 105lbs of air. The 105 is good for 1100whp but there is evo guys pushing almost 1200whp in the 95 69s ,I’m using the 105 69s for my build. They also make the 115 69s which is xona biggest turbo

@carmello000jp

Жыл бұрын

@@Paper.Power.Politicsyes sir and that’s what I’m running is the 11569 1.3 A/R race manifold modified to a v clamp in my 21 supra

May I ask how you think your new turbo with the wheel design compares to the leading brand as far as I know a Borg Warner efr turbocharger? That I was looking for my application. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

Tial and Forced Performance have tooons of experience in the turbo world, so we'd say it's absolutely comparable to any other leading brand.

@tialproductsinc1860

4 жыл бұрын

We have a very different design philosophy, but we stack up very well to turbines of comparable sizes. The EFR also uses a GammaTi material, which is very lightweight, but cannot tolerate overspeed. It's a fine product, for sure, but very different.

Do you make turbo upgrades for 2.3L and 3.5L Ecoboost vehicles??

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

We have some options for the 2.3 Mustang in house, some from other manufactures - give us a shout!

Daelen, My car is nuts. I am enjoying it very much. Yes, it has a Zona Rotor turbo, 2 of them.... :) Remember me. LOL

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! 🐌🐌

so does the turbine spool faster than a comparable size or flow more? Like should i use a smaller wheel size or will the same wheel size spool faster?

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

It does! The design of the UHF are to help it spool faster and nor sacrifice power up top. 🤘

Putting a XR 8269s on my Evo x with a ETS vband kit. Excited to see what it makes at 40-42psi.

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

Nice! Should be pretty awesome.

@JPTinioMedia

3 жыл бұрын

2 months now , have ya done it? Wheres the spool start and wheres peak?

@Lancevehoek512

3 жыл бұрын

@@JPTinioMedia 8269 is a perfect street turbo, 5000rpm of boost and the ability to make a bit over 900whp

Running 2 VS Racing turbos what one is equal to that?

I'd be more intrested to hear about turbo cartridges/cores and differences in jurnal v ball bearings? Or did I miss it??

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

The Xona UHF are ball bearing turbos, and have unique proprietary design. Are you looking for just journal vs ball bearing in general?

@markcozzie

4 жыл бұрын

@@maperformance I'd like to see a video explaining the pro's and con's off different turbo cartridges/core's if you could possibly do that I'm sure will help Alot people choosing a turbo, Know problem if can't I'm just giving idea's... OR difference in external/internal waste gate's? ? ?

That was VS Racing 75/72’s

G16 and up use those type of compressor wheels.

THANK YOU FOR NOT SAYING "WHAT'S UP" AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO!!!

I need this for my 6.7 Cummins. Do they offer anything?

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

Nothing specific, depending on what you need they do have some big ole boys!

@monsterram6617

4 жыл бұрын

@@maperformance Well, right now I have a BW S369SX-E .91 a/r T4 (69mm compressor/80mm turbine). It flows 98lbs/min and is in the 500 - 1000 hp range. I really like how this turbo works with my current fuel setup (stock) and it probably puts around 550hp/1100tq to the wheels. However, it is a bit laggy and my EGTs could be a touch lower when doing long pulls. I'd like to see what Xona's split turbine design could do for me. I'd love to have the same turbo characteristics, but light a few hundred RPM sooner. But I also don't want to be the first person to put one of these turbos on a 6.7 Cummins. Thoughts?

@tialproductsinc1860

4 жыл бұрын

@@monsterram6617 Currently, we do not have anything with a larger turbine than 78/69, but we can pair that to a 95, 105 or 115lb/min compressor. The bigger challenge is the unique turbine housing required for the Cummins, as we primarily offer v-band-flanged SS housings for our turbochargers. Larger (much larger) turbochargers are in the works for a release at SEMA 2020 (next year).

@KTMcaptain

4 жыл бұрын

Monster RAM I ran an s366 on my 5.9 12v @ 65psig. It was quite laggy, and egts were never close to what my smaller s300 & s475 twin setup (75psig) could accomplish.

Are your turbo's comparable or less in price to other popular brands?

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

Depending on how things are optioned out they can be more expensive, Xona is more along the lines of Garrett and the Borg EFR line of turbos

@wayneelliott9249

4 жыл бұрын

Journal and ball bearing?... Later I will send you specs of my build. I think a custom turbo may help since my engine is small. Thank you

Greetings from Greece!!i have cupra 5f 2018 2.0 t and im currently running a g25 660.i am deeply disappointed because im running meth 500 whp in dynapack with no spool at all.my spool begins at 5000 rpm with peak hp available at above 6500 rpm with 7500 rom rev limiter.my mechanic told me tha i would have better spool than the 3071 gen 2 with the peak hp of 3076.but i ended up having 500 hp with 2.1 bar in stock motor and spool late as hell.i recently fount on web those xona turbos and i want to change mine asap.please tell me what kind of turbo do you suggest iam very disappointed at the moment and i desperate want guidance.looking forward for your answer.!!

@xkafeas8815

4 жыл бұрын

I forgot to mention that i want at least 650 whp thanks again for your reply

@maperformance

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Bill! We'd love to help you out here, please give us a call or email: sales@maperformance.com

@xkafeas8815

4 жыл бұрын

@@maperformance thanks for the reply!!ive already sent you an email in the address you sent me above!im looking forward for your answer!!

@PolishAlexx

4 жыл бұрын

Did you get a Xona rotor? If so, how is it?

It basically looks like a 5+5 compressor wheel.

Overpriced if you ask me

@Lancevehoek512

3 жыл бұрын

lmao wut a BB PTE,garrett,borg turbo is around the same price.

@carmello000jp

Жыл бұрын

What’s the price

I know afew people that took there xona to go back to Garrett🤣😂