What I don’t like about this part is that they shoehorned it in. We see Phelp’s wife ONCE before this, and there’s no indication that he’s in an unhappy marriage. Him having an affair with Elsa comes out of fucking nowhere and it’s overall sloppily handled.

@Deathfromabove5

3 жыл бұрын

It's honestly bad writing. Phelps wife has no personality and we see her so little I forgot what she looked like by the end of the game.

@lexusdriver1963

3 жыл бұрын

The one thing that bothers me is I know Elsa is German but she has no ties with the Nazi along with her friend Lou. They're just normal Germans wanting to escape the bloody regime of the Nazi Party.

@murtazarizvi368

3 жыл бұрын

the plot made me think that he was going for her for information but ended up having sex. that would have been better

@lexusdriver1963

3 жыл бұрын

@@eea7551 I’d say after watching a lot of world war 2 propaganda?

@retro2103

3 жыл бұрын

It is to show you don't actually know Phelps at all. You start off as this highly ambitious war hero, turned super cop but it turns out you're actually a PTSD stricken war criminal with the blood of both American soldiers and Japanese citizens on your hands. After Phelps returns home, his actions clearly haunt him but he is also too ashamed to talk about it with his wife, causing him to drift away from her. It's quite subtle, perhaps too subtle for a video game where the pacing depends entirely on the player but every case is basically just a slice of Phelps the professional. Whenever his partners try to be personable with him he is awkward and guarded. You sometimes get glimpses of the kind of man he actually is, but never the full story. The military flashbacks that play between cases do reveal there is certainly more to him than meets the eye. Elsa meanwhile is a German. Germany was basically completely destroyed in WW2. It can be said that she has also seen some shit, not to mention her own guilt she must've felt for being part of a nation that inflicted such suffering. Phelps is drawn to her not only because she is a beautiful woman but because he feels he can be frank with her about what he has experienced in the war. Perhaps the manner in which this story is conveyed was not ideal, but I don't think there is anything innately shoehorned about this particular plot point. Film Noir often has a male protagonist who falls head over heels for a femme fatale he knows literally nothing about. He is just drawn to her for some deeply personal reason he can't really explain. And because she is a femme _fatale_ , she usually proves to be his downfall too.

I like how he reached for his gun, knowing damn well he didn't have it.

@hardrocker_9676

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think he was trying to fool the guy into thinking he had a gun so he could stop taking photos of him cole didn’t want to deal with that shit.

@lexusdriver1963

3 жыл бұрын

Seeing that part I was like "Yeah you better run!!"

@thesmithersy

9 ай бұрын

@@hardrocker_9676 Not sure that's a good idea because then the photographer can just snap a pic of that and get the news to say "disgraced cop pulls gun on innocent photographer".

Cole's wife played by Aaron Staton's actual wife.

@lizgoldstein4256

5 жыл бұрын

Connie Fletcher is wonderful.

@jorgebersabe293

4 жыл бұрын

Which makes this scene even more poignant.

@mannysigal4375

4 жыл бұрын

So why did rockstar script Cole to cheat on his wife this game is completely ruined

@jorgebersabe293

4 жыл бұрын

@@mannysigal4375 Because Cole and Elsa are two emotionally damaged people. That's why he connected with Elsa more easily, and Cole had difficulties to open himself up to his wife, being emotionally distant with her. Doesn't excuse his attitude though.

@sonicfreak04

4 жыл бұрын

it must have been painful for her to pretend her husband cheated on her

It was a dumb decision considering he was conducting a really delicate investigation that involved police corruption and that any mistake would be used against him.

@hammerbro1947

5 жыл бұрын

After seeing that news paper with the cutscene containing Roy, the Chief, the Mayor and the DA, I knew something would happen to Cole after Roy brings up that stupid headline. City Corruption is a lot worse than just a personal affair.

@WELSHGAMER99

4 жыл бұрын

It shows Cole Phelps can make really dumb mistakes despite being a sharp detective.

@jetMan365

3 жыл бұрын

Thats what i don’t understand at all, he was so straight edged and was lurking in sensitive waters that an affair seemed so off track 😂😂

@sexydudeuk2172

2 жыл бұрын

Yep he ruined his life with the affair he lost everything

@mikedawolf95

Жыл бұрын

He never thought they’d find out that fast.

Cheating is one thing. But cheating when u have kids is just madness.

@Kidcouger2

4 жыл бұрын

WarGutsy I take it you haven't seen Mad Men

@lexusdriver1963

3 жыл бұрын

Why can't Cole just say "No" when Marie tells Cole if she loves Elsa. If I was Cole Phelps I would say "No" very sternly

@lizgoldstein4256

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if this is really 'madness'. It's not wise. But it also certainly depends on your economic situation. I'm just being pragmatic -- there is no other reason.

@jeremyjolly3645

3 жыл бұрын

I do it all the time

@Mohgenstein

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeremyjolly3645 so do i

The weirdest think is that Phelps does not look or behave like a cheater at all.

@whitehorse8558

4 жыл бұрын

What does a behave look or behave like? Thought it was just an action emotionally damaged or manipulate people do, which is anyone

@whitehorse8558

3 жыл бұрын

@Adithya Nair I mean, I'd say yes. Manipulation doesn't have to be a quality of someone, just an action they commit. If you're cheating, you're doing something you consciously know as wrong and hurting/putting others at risk. That's usually an action good or stable people don't do

@stevenfry3233

3 жыл бұрын

You can be the nicest guy and a cheater at the same time.

@jw7061

3 жыл бұрын

The most honest cop in L.A yet a bad husband.

@SW-kr9fl

2 жыл бұрын

60% of men cheat. There’s no “look”. I thought I’d never cheat and then I got myself into a situation I’m not proud of. Anyone can cheat.

Phelps: I don't understand Me: X doubt

@alascasalvatore5337

4 жыл бұрын

□ doubt*

@tjrex1915

4 жыл бұрын

@@alascasalvatore5337 Bad Cop*

@alascasalvatore5337

4 жыл бұрын

@@tjrex1915 it's different in some versions

@boostergold20

4 жыл бұрын

@@tjrex1915 no.

@BASEDGODkrim

3 жыл бұрын

@@alascasalvatore5337 he means it's an Xbox version

I thought they were just like having a little chat but he took it too far 😂

@elnoare

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I kept giving him the benefit of the doubt lmao

@Maria-gr1zp

4 жыл бұрын

Same i thought I was just seeing things but he really did that

@lexusdriver1963

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if Cole Phelps still kept a picture of himself, his wife and kids in his wallet. I hope that will make him feel any better and also he still wore his wedding ring. The look on Cole when trying to talk to his wife shows that despite the adultery he still cares about his wife and daughters.

@kimimtbrides3023

3 жыл бұрын

I thought i would have to do another interrogation

Objection! team bondi never gave cole's model any genetalia, therefor it would be physically impossible for him to cheat on his wife!

@youssefyounes3532

4 жыл бұрын

Draggobuttboi lol ace attorney

@TheLegoMaster261

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Phoenix Wright!

@jorgenvonstrangle000

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO, maybe its like GTA san andreas, gotta do the hot coffee mod

@nukeana7242

3 жыл бұрын

Objection! *finger wagging* The defense is contradicting the fact that Cole Phelps has children. If it were physically impossible for him to have cheated on his wife.... *table slam* ...He wouldn't have been able to have any children then!

@MovieEggman

3 жыл бұрын

Cole Phelps; Dickless

I hate cheating as much as the next guy but I feel like the characters in the game overreacted to Phelps sleeping with Elsa. Multiple cops talk about beating their wives but they are so taken aback and disgusted by Phelps cheating? I doubt it

@bogginggmonster5829

4 жыл бұрын

It's the time period that's accepted but adultery is icky

@dylanmiko268

4 жыл бұрын

The Zodiac adultery wasn’t acceptable, hitting your wife was

@donsparks8282

4 жыл бұрын

And this is a couple years after WW2 so sleeping with a German was not the coolest thing you could do

@totallynotzokix11_mc21

4 жыл бұрын

@@dylanmiko268 They even said that Cole would be charged with adultery

@mohammedumar381

4 жыл бұрын

@The Zodiac ah you are Patrick Bateman

He was close to discovering corruption in the LAPD. And, some wanted him silenced. That's why he was demoted

@jorgenvonstrangle000

3 жыл бұрын

Roy spied on Cole before actually, when they went to the Blue Room to talk to Elsa, Cole did his questioning and then followed her home after later on, and Rog was outside her apartment. If you look closely there is also newspaper that shows the Chief and other guys in their office and Roy jumps in to basically tell on Cole without saying his name being only “war hero” as it’s mentioned often when Cole gets promoted thru the game basically snitching on Cole.

@evolutionmax9791

2 жыл бұрын

Cole cheating with Elsa is what kinda saved his life while working with Arson and taking down the government corruction for good. They would had killed Phelps if they didnt had anything else, like if he never cheated with her being such an honest cop and all, the only downfall is he died in the end anyway.....RIP

@evansshadow9018

2 жыл бұрын

@@evolutionmax9791 idk about that. Cole was protected at first from being killed because he’s a cop, as opposed to Jack who they tried killing without question. Plus the ending showed that the corruption hadn’t changed, and that it wouldn’t be until a few years later when Parker got in and cleaned up the department with little connection to cole’s work

@kingsboro1

2 жыл бұрын

That had nothing to do with it the hire ups had their own scandel so they replace it with a bigger one a war hero a boy scout who betrayed his family country the department for a German woman who was a suspect the last vice case says despite everything that happen there's only one story people will be talking about

@GrosvnerMcaffrey

Жыл бұрын

With how buddy buddy the chief was to Fontaine why is it I believe that

Its kind of shit we never get a choice of whether Phelps engages in adultery or not.

@lizgoldstein4256

5 жыл бұрын

Orangy Pteco I know! Every time I played it I was wondering if the outcome can be changed. 😆

@joshuahughes5761

4 жыл бұрын

Onion Face i think maybe his wife wasnt shagging him and he probably thought shed shag me as shes the type that would

@wolfensniper4012

4 жыл бұрын

@Jaegar Ultima Well if Cole never demoted to Arson, the Fund shit would probably never be revealed as Biggs is not a encouraged detective before Cole came and Elsa won't even think about seeking help from Jack.

@norbertsoltesz1012

4 жыл бұрын

biggest flaw in this game is the linearity. the investigation turns out the saem whether you get the questions right, findoall clues or not.

@Joe_Parmesan

3 жыл бұрын

It sucks, but it falls in line with his character. Phelps likely cared for his wife, but he didn't really have the deep connection. He still wanted to portray the image of being an upstanding, 'Johnny Do Right' though, mainly because of his experience in Okinawa. Phelps feels he received unearned commendation, but he couldn't discuss it with his wife

Fun fact: The actors that played Cole and Marie Phelps are actually married in real life

@Agent1W

Жыл бұрын

I hope it's not a fact nor a fun fact that Aaron Staton actually had an affair in his marriage to her.

@RedHusker5150

Жыл бұрын

Already knew that.

Cole Phelps has to be one of the most human character with real faults instead of just being a perfect hero

@Master_Udon

Жыл бұрын

True, he was the most realistic character i've ever played

@Chuked

Жыл бұрын

yes like the red dead characters , they are horrible people 😭

@RyujiGoda4331

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s cool having hero’s with flaws, but it’s just executed terribly in LA Noire

@kinghashbrown7998

2 ай бұрын

@@RyujiGoda4331 maybe you're right. Been ages since I completed the game. Will have to replay it at some point

He didn't take his suitcase from the lawn

@user-ew8bo4pd8p

2 жыл бұрын

apparently he didn’t need him.

It was pretty disappointing that Cole cheated on his wife with so little elaboration as to how their relationship was. In some of his conversations with Galloway he even stands up for her when Galloway talks about how bad he thinks women are, so that would have told me he liked her well enough. I guess they wanted to give him some character flaws, which is understandable. Though I felt like the war flashbacks made him seem like enough of a failure, and adding this on top just made it even more brutal. Regardless though, that is not precisely why they demoted him. Phelps was getting relatively close to cracking their inner-circle of corruption, so they struck at the only weak place they could actually find to take him down. It was very opportune for them that Phelps was cheating on his wife, and with a German woman no less. I guarantee that they would not have cared too much if they were not trying to cover for their own sins. Donnelly might have cared since he seems to be a religious man, but even he is shown to have some level of corruption by the way he claims to beat prisoners and then there is that one cutscene where he "confiscates" the crate of bootleg alcohol. Ultimately I think Cole's cheating arc worked out because I do not think he would have gotten his closure and redemption from his wartime demons if he had not fallen so low. This was a great game overall. I would also like to add that Roy Earle is one of my most hated video game characters of all time.

@kingsboro1

2 жыл бұрын

Hate roy all you want he didn't tell cole to have an affair roy even told himself when cole left don't do anything I wouldn't do

Cole's wife: What you've been going through? I've had reporters on my lawn all day Is she actually comparing that to Cole's experiences: Fighting the Japanese in the pacific, seeing your friend get blown up next to you, having to examine women who had been brutally murdered and chasing a psycho through a network of tunnels?

@maxdam4059

2 жыл бұрын

@Lee John Women

@Joe_Parmesan

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like a prime example of why he connected with Elsa, who understood the gravity of the situation that was WWII

@bigt100

Жыл бұрын

Women

@moonlight_sparkle6659

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that kind of irked me too like did you forget that you’re married to a war veteran? Sure having reporters is a nightmare but Cole literally saw most of his comrades die because of his actions and he had to carry all that. She can’t compare that at all.

@Retroworld-lk8so

Жыл бұрын

Well duh it’s gonna be humiliating to have your business out there and then have to explain to your kids what’s going on.

This is where the writers did a complete 180 on the story. I mean what reason would Cole have an affair with Elsa? This just came out of nowhere...

@murtazarizvi368

3 жыл бұрын

thank you. thats what i hate. the game could have made it seem him go to elsa for more information but ended up having sex

@jango3221

3 жыл бұрын

It’s because Elsa is someone Cole can relate to

@anarchistmaverick9507

2 жыл бұрын

@@jango3221 Pretty shitty reason for destroying your marriage

@sl9wdive

2 жыл бұрын

If you ever been in a relationship, you dont need a reason to cheat. Sometimes boredom happens and you get the urge to try some new pussy. I know

When you think about it, this was a terrible plan on Roy's half. Cole would have never investigated the plywood houses if he was never in arson.

@JamesJohnson-nm5pu

3 жыл бұрын

True

@XXXTENTAClON227

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, he would’ve caught them regardless, they thought they could shame him into quitting. But the only way they could’ve handled it was to kill him. They tried it with Jack, didn’t work.

2:52 thats how to rickroll people in the 90s

@chandlerstovall

3 жыл бұрын

Boi that’s the 40s

@VerbalVantage

3 жыл бұрын

@@chandlerstovall Ya but 90s was the crime decade and he was pulling a gun

Marie: "Do you want me to call the police?" Cole: "I AM the police"

"Do you love her?" "No!" *Press X to Doubt*

What the hell Donnelly was doing here? He's the Captain of the Homicide at CENTRAL. The Vice desk was at HOLLYWOOD. I think he was a part of SRF, too. Why else would he be there?

@apollosinner

4 жыл бұрын

No, Donnelly loved Phelps as one of his favourite Detectives alongside Rusty. I think he’s there genuinely out of shock and disappointment because every other Lieutenant acknowledge his brilliant work.

Cole just made the biggest mess in his police career. Is he always this prideful or he does this just to gain more popularity and thus make it plummet? Half of me believes Cole is a total jerk after the scandal he caused and half of me believes Cole can still do great things, he’s the finest cop and detective the LAPD has ever had.

My heart almost broke when he cheated his wife......

She said that SHE'S had a tough time, what about the shit he faced in Okinawa, the time he went into a network of tunnels to catch a crazy serial killer and the gun fights he's been in

@JazzyReShawn

5 жыл бұрын

True, but Cole never talked to her about what he went through either. It's understandable that the affair has made her unwilling to listen.

@MisterAAnderson

5 жыл бұрын

Meh, there's a child in everyone and this scene proves that Kelso was better than Cole. Even if Cole has leadership skills and charisma. At least Kelso is not fake.

@PokemonTrainerVince

5 жыл бұрын

@@MisterAAnderson Cole isn't fake. He fell for another woman. He is still the best detective that the department ever had. He took down a serial killer that killed over half a dozen women. He is one of the few characters that wasn't a bigot. He was close to a big breakthrough as far as the gigantic drug operation with surplus morphine. Corrupted officials did this and ruined his career. Say what you want but this was just a stupid plot device that Team Bondi put as an afterthought because they made Cole too likeable of a protagonist.

@lizgoldstein4256

5 жыл бұрын

And yet she’s not cheating on him. You guys have no moral code, if you think this justifies his cheating. It’s not her fault he was in Okinawa. It’s his fault he cheated on her. Simple as that.

@lizgoldstein4256

5 жыл бұрын

SuperVince93 I wonder if you’d feel the same way if she had cheated on him. I doubt you’d defend her.

The sad thing about this whole part is seeing cole's reputation flushed down the toilet but we never got the chance to see his wife or have a flashback on his family

I think if Cole didn’t cheat, I would have felt more sad by the ending.

@purplehawk2271

4 жыл бұрын

kanye west just because someone cheated doesn't mean they deserve to die

@amandaw1878

4 жыл бұрын

@@purplehawk2271 they didn't say he deserved to die. Like what?

@purplehawk2271

4 жыл бұрын

Manda Amanda his statement means he’s less sad that he died because he cheated which implies he thinks he somewhat deserved death

@purplehawk2271

3 жыл бұрын

Sulivan Gard I cant tell if your referring to me or Kanye west. Also what’s a “host comment”?

@smayanpanda3947

3 жыл бұрын

The story would comletely change, becaue he wouldnt be demoted to arson

This seems way to convenient for the story

@PokemonTrainerVince

5 жыл бұрын

It was. They made Cole too likeable and great that they had to bring him down a few pegs but they overdid it with this plot device.

@teamatfort444

5 жыл бұрын

SuperVince93 ikr after the whole game of busting people for murder and cheating id think cole wouldn’t do crime

@jonr9467

5 жыл бұрын

Cole was too smart and almost sent a lot of powerful people to jail, the plot needed him to do something stupid.

@hammerbro1947

5 жыл бұрын

@@jonr9467 And to add to that. No one can ever get rid of all the drugs on the streets. The dealers will only just make more. The only thing the police can do is detrou what they discover. Despite Cole saying this to Sheldon, I disagree.

@blakemilitti8908

4 жыл бұрын

Well it was for the story, just kinda forced and unexplored, should've shown more of his motivations, what i inferred from her speech was that she always chooses selfish or avoidative reasons, "she couldn't handle it, your upsetting the girls" she never gave cole a chance, elsa liked him, talked about him, wanted him, cole was still wrong, but they should've shown why he was wrong, expanded the story

I played through this level a few times and I kept asking my if there is a way to prevent cole from getting demoted. Cause I played through and got all the questions right, 100% and still got demoted. Then I realized it's part of the storyline plot and felt relieved it had nothing to do with getting something wrong.

I had 2 main issues with this: we see his wife once (and one more time he says he's married), and the idea he's cheating is barely implied. Like ok he's hanging out at this place after work...all we see is him sitting at the table...and that's how you know he's having an affair..... The DLC cases where it was the temp bartender I remember from my initial playthrough and that was only one line of dialogue. I forgot Cole was married, something that should be way more relevant.

@bdleo300

Ай бұрын

It's just bad writing. Phelps was so morally upright he refused to sip a drink but all the sudden he decided to betray his wife and kids with some random club w...re. And everyone hates him so much because she is German?? the war ended in 1945. Marlene Dittrich was a star even during the war, nazi officer von Braun was the father of NASA

Cole’s wife is hotter then Elsa lmao

@samuelbgthjfdr1814

2 жыл бұрын

Elsa wasn't hot at all

@TheFattestBlunt.

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelbgthjfdr1814 neither was cole's wife

Adultery in the 1950s must have really felt like a death sentence for people, like you'll actually get charged as a criminal for it. Shit is definitely more relaxed as the years gone by.

@navaladmiral2962

Жыл бұрын

Still illegal in many US started and a felony in a few.

@Steven-uk2fz

Жыл бұрын

Lol half the damn city of Houston would've been charged if we still had that law

@Harley92820

2 ай бұрын

It should still be like that

I wonder if Cole Phelps still kept a picture of himself, his wife and kids in his wallet. I hope that will make him feel any better and also he still wore his wedding ring.

If anyone had noticed, Cole had been hanging around the Blue Room the night after completed cases before going back to his home.

I wish they had atleast given us a reason why cole cheated, didnt seem like he and elsa had a strong conmection or anything

@user-ry3no8mc6z

2 жыл бұрын

Probably felt bad for her first time that Roy slapped her. Seeing from Cole’s side she was a German woman that has to deal with racism due to hitlers destruction of Europe. Add the fact that Cole had seen a lot of awful things during war, it’s easy for someone like Cole to fall in love with her voice. Roy pretty much was setting up Cole. Others like Bekowsky took 5 years to get to traffic from patrol and then a bit more to make it to homicide. Phelps managed within months to reach from a simple police officer to Vice Detective. That gave Phelps false sense of security and the feeling that he could do whatever he wanted like Roy. Everything worked out well. Ironically the cheating bought Cole time and saved his family. If the “scandal” hadn’t happened, The chief would either sacrifice him or his family to make a distraction so he wouldn’t be discovered.

On the other hand: anyone else notice Marie’s gigantic... wits? 🤔

@ghostiezphantoms6046

4 жыл бұрын

I did

@debilman9065

3 жыл бұрын

Cole just traded those big milk factories for some brätwurst

@lizgoldstein4256

3 жыл бұрын

@@debilman9065 Who would trade milk factories for bratwurst? I sure wouldn't.

@mohamedashian604

3 жыл бұрын

@@lizgoldstein4256 I would be all over those big milk factories all night if ya know what I mean 😏 Edit: I had to change my original comment cause SOMEBODY took it a little bit too seriously

@lizgoldstein4256

3 жыл бұрын

@@mohamedashian604 I sure know what you mean, not that I'm surprised, but did you know that that milk actually won't taste good for you? It feeds babies.

All I thought from this part was "he never gon' be president now" from Hamilton

It’s one thing to be cheating but it’s another thing for committing adultery. Adultery is when you have sex with another woman or man while while in marriage and Cole was wrongfully accused by Roy he just set it up.

I’m glad they made Cole have an affair. It shows that although he’s this intelligent, methodical detective, he’s still human and makes mistakes.

@murtazarizvi368

3 жыл бұрын

its stupid actually. sure its his flaw but the game doesnt show that he is unhappy in his marriage nor does it shows that he's a big time flirt. even the woman doesnt flirts that much. its forced and all

@blssvxntr

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing perspective but poor execution

@Cruddy129

2 жыл бұрын

But it never said that he was in some unhappy marraige to even consider the adultery If we had known that he wasnt satisfied with his own marriage, then we can see to some degree as to why he would commit such an action But this came out of nowhere as if the writers expects us to somehow knew about his wife and children as well as Cole does Hell, Cole the whole time never was shown to be a womaniser in any way and always puts his job first, this was insanely forced

@kinghashbrown7998

2 жыл бұрын

@@murtazarizvi368 actually cheating happens like this all the time, some guy can be happy with their marriage but also succumb to the temptation of seeing another woman, of course not all men are like this but this does happen and I've seen it before irl

@budusbusham3324

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a cool idea but it’s used for a twist rather than a character moment. There’s no hints towards it all and it just comes off as out of character for Phelps. He barely even comments on it.

I made it to where he was looking at Elsa and I *knew* he was going to do something he’d regret.

I replayed the game recently, and this still feels as out of nowhere as I remember it being. I wish we could have actually seen this develop. We didn't need a cutscene of them boning or anything, but couldn't we have had some buildup to this? Maybe seeing them spend more time together, inserting some flirty dialogue into the interview with Elsa, or at least in some way indicate that Elsa is interested in him before Roy sees him visit her apartment. Cole has no answer when he's asked if he loves her; that implies something deeper than a casual FWB situation. This needed more.

@kingsboro1

2 жыл бұрын

No it didn't because we see cole as his war hero and a case man but then we see the flashbacks in war and his trips to the blue room which shows something is wrong and jack completes the story that all of this was for a medal no one deserved that's why Cole and Courtney died they cared about it jack didn't that's why he lived

This shit got me depressed as fuck later on. I didn't even wanna play the game anymore, feel bad for Cole though.

It's nice of them change opinion on Phelps so quickly. In Russia we have a term 'change shoes' for this kind of behavior

The ending is so brutal, his wife didn't want to speak to him, so he went for consolation to his not-so-secret lover. He went from apologetic to opportunistic attitude in a matter of seconds. You could say that he deserved it, he didn't feel wrong with cheating on his wife.

It funny how the DA says a criminal can not serve yet him the police chief and them are criminals

@SpikeyPancake

3 жыл бұрын

Allow me to rephrase on their behalf “A publicly known Criminal cannot serve as an LAPD officer”

I love how Rockstar makes some of the most flawed protagonists in all of gaming history. And also how the story is not always a direct inclined journey but realistically knowing that things will not always end like an average movie that make you feel happy for the main character.

How'd you get the video on KZread I tried but it says it's blocked

That was messed up that I got suspended from the police department and got me back from the police station from the beginning of the game when I was a patrol officer

On an unrelated note. Commissioner Gordon and Chief O'Hara.

I found it so weird that they were demoting Cole without even telling him what he did wrong first

@adriantrusca1245

10 ай бұрын

They did. Pay attention.

I still don't understand why Cole have to cheat on his wife.

It probably would've been done better if Cole was framed for it. Or same thing, but Arson was done earlier and Vice was the final desk. The latter, I can imagine that after spending some time in Vice, Cole would've been framed by the Suburban Redevelopment fund and became a fugitive and now had to stop them and clear his name.

@pashaputrasupriatna4596

Жыл бұрын

Idk, i like that he actually has flaws, if he had no faults it would make him seem like the perfect american detective robot model or something, imo it made the protag complex and more interesting.. I just wished we get a little bit more screen time and development with coles family

Fun fact: The actor who plays Phelps (Aaron Staton) and actress who plays his wife Marie (Connie Fletcher) are actually married irl lol

I feel this could have been handled better of instead of him cheating he could have instead tried to help elsa since she seems to have issues and his wife and the police took it the wrong way I feel that would have made the scene better and have cole reason for being with her make a lot more sense

@murtazarizvi368

3 жыл бұрын

or made him go to elsa for information but ended up having sex after a few drinks. i mean literally anything could have happened

@geeebuttersnap2433

Жыл бұрын

Maybe instead of an affair, he was working with Elsa on her testifying against Roy to the IA. Have him working on a case against the LAPD when he gets framed falsely as a cheat and a crook, he can’t tell the truth as it would ruin the case and give his hand away against the LAPD. The framed him because he was getting close, they didn’t know he was intentionally targeted them (or they would have had him whacked). He couldn’t tell anyone, not even his wife because he was sworn to secrecy. But someone on IA gave him up. Even the watchmen who watch the police force for corruption ended up corrupt. Have a whole then who watched the watchmen?

Cole: "You mf's pulled me out of an interrogation into arson and murder for this horseshit?"

Phelps is not the kind of guy who would cheat lets be real here

This scene is way out of place. We barely see coles wife or any indication of him being unhappy. And it's unlike a guy like Cole to cheat at all.

This is so relatable though. Most men cheated on their girlfriend or wife. This just makes the story more human and realistic. One of the reasons this had the one of the most immersive and best storylines

@headlesszombie1157

5 жыл бұрын

He cheated because of his PTSD from the war that’s why he said “you don’t know what I’ve been going through” and he felt emotionally distant from his wife because of it

@ThangTN

4 жыл бұрын

He cheated because he has ptsd his wife and his child doesnt make his life better? Is he selfish?

@ThangTN

4 жыл бұрын

@Kevin Jeremy Pascale that mean every soldiers was in okinawa cheat on their wife?

@ThangTN

4 жыл бұрын

Cole cheated on his wife and his death doesnt make the story better. I Know the story was realistic but not really cool

@gt362gamer

4 жыл бұрын

"Most men cheated on their girlfriend or wife". Citation needed.

would anyone bat an eye these days over a stupid cop affair?

@jorgebersabe293

4 жыл бұрын

@Onion Face But a lot of angry people? Yes, unless there is a more sympathetic reason

@EpicMinecraftFail

4 жыл бұрын

@Happy Thoughts it was worse in the 40s

@EpicMinecraftFail

4 жыл бұрын

@Happy Thoughts you realize segregation was in full swing back then right? Know ur history

@LittleBigPlanetian

4 жыл бұрын

Nope. But remember, this game took place in the 40's. Adultery back then was treated with _much_ more of a offense than in today's society.

@jorgenvonstrangle000

3 жыл бұрын

It was Roy, there was a cut scene after Cole went up to Elsas apartment when he followed her home after questioning her at the Blue Room, they were suppose to go see gangster Mickey in the day but Cole decided to the next day instead. Roy was waiting for him to show up

Wow

The entire last pat of the game is so bad and illogical starting with Phelps cheating on his wife.

what a random fucking plot twist

I was so disappointed when he did

@goni2493

Жыл бұрын

Feels like it was shoehorned in

What episode in the game is this anyways??

@TheGameCube64Guy

3 жыл бұрын

Manifest Destiny It's the third (fifth including DLC) and final case for Vice

What confuses me is the part where the captain says "you're lucky the war is over or you would've been shot" would someone be shot if they were caught with a German person or is it more then that?

@kingsboro1

2 жыл бұрын

Yes because you might be working with the enemy remeber we don't get the full stories of war

@ryanswift128

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingsboro1 yeah I remember that Cole pretty much caused a little discontent among his squad due to his treatment to the japanese I'm not sure if the cave incident caused the squad to snap or something maybe

@strikerdelta

Жыл бұрын

U.s. Armed Forces during World War II had a strict no fraternization policy with enemy civilians.

Worst case ending I have a ever faced

Luckily, Cole carries a spare gun.

She's married to Cole and Adrian at the same time, she was the one cheating!!

Two timer forsenCD

this happened to me and I felt bad for cole:(

all thanks to Roy

Lol imagine if this happened now

@jaceyp.8457

3 жыл бұрын

nobody would've even bat an eye

@peternehemiah1606

3 жыл бұрын

Probably called him Chad

1:47

Not to forget the Chief and his lackeys are all corrupts with SRF. But acted innocent

Bro I didn’t know you could actually be charged for cheating 👀

@robowisanveithasung6022

8 ай бұрын

back then it was

3:24 weird knocking Cole

To this day, I still don't know why Cole had the affair. I get affairs just happen because there's something on a deeper level but, and I'm gonna be brutally honest here, this game isn't really that deep to do something like that.

@kingsboro1

Ай бұрын

Cole never moved on after the war he felt he didn't deserved that medal he found a kindred spirt with Elsa. It true what they say war follows you home

@bdleo300

Ай бұрын

@@kingsboro1 not really, he was doing fine until the game decided to ruin him with totally nonsensical 'plot twist'. Dude was so morally upright he refused to sip a drink but all the sudden he decided to betray his wife and kids with some random club w...re. There is no philosophy here, just bad writing.

@kingsboro1

Ай бұрын

@bdleo300 Max payne, the last of us, gungrave, cowboy bebop and many stories are similar to la noire so you can't call it bad writing. Cole, Courtney and some others are either dead or in prison because they didn't let go and move on unlike jack that's why he's alive

I wish I had knew before I bought the game

I actually hated Cole after this I couldn't finish the game in 4 months

How did is he still a detective if he gave his badge and gun over?

@teamatfort444

5 жыл бұрын

booMOO2002 kind of defeats the purpose of giving it up in the first place

@joshuahughes5761

4 жыл бұрын

Presume he probably applied for it again but obviously being demoted in doing so

@apollosinner

4 жыл бұрын

The LAPD couldn’t just give up a brilliant detective like Phelps, so they demoted him to Arson. A much more fitting desk for someone such as an ‘adulterer’

@jorgebersabe293

2 жыл бұрын

@@apollosinner After all, Cole did set fire to his family home, like an arsonist would do.

2:50 heh

I’m not mad at getting demoted for commiting a crime, only that it’s being used to take away the press’ attention from something a lot more heinous that simple adultery.

I didnt know he had a wife until he got suspended

@boostergold20

4 жыл бұрын

How... Literally in the beginning it shows him kissing her... and he talks about it in traffic desk

@wee-ba-noob5740

3 жыл бұрын

@@boostergold20 But that's literally the only time you see her. So throughout most of the game, you forget about her

@rayyanberg8974

2 жыл бұрын

@@wee-ba-noob5740 its been talked about a lot when driving with partner

Jesus Christ Marie!

@ollienerd1349

2 жыл бұрын

They're Minerals! Jesus Marie.

Cheating with Elsa doesn't count boyo

It's so sad

I am just now learning that adultery was and still is, in some places, a crime.

@kingsboro1

2 ай бұрын

Adultery was crime back then today it can hurt you in a divorce

@krisdeaglephotography4539

2 ай бұрын

@@kingsboro1 According to the internet, it’s still illegal even in some US states. Apparently. Dunno how true that is though.

I stopped liking it when he started cheating like yeah we get it they wanted to be different but damn they were already this ruined it for me

@WELSHGAMER99

4 жыл бұрын

This made it more interesting for me.

@jacobmonks3722

4 жыл бұрын

@@WELSHGAMER99 It might have been more interesting if we got any hints of Phelps' family relationships prior to this event. Without that context, it just feels like it comes out of nowhere.

This and the ending are jarringly terribly written for this game.

i think its funny how in the beginning, stephan asks him what his type is and he says "blondes" when neither his wife nor elsa is a blonde lmao

@XXXTENTAClON227

3 жыл бұрын

Elsa is blonde, just the lighting is different here. That’s meant to be foreshadowing.

No flashback scene after that case? Bull-fucking-shit...

Should have just made him single. Let him have an emotional attachment to Elsa that would lead him to be demoted to arson.

I remember when I got to this part I thought he was being framed. No way golden boy would do something so scummy... then he didn't deny it and I thought I don't want to play as Cole anymore and I felt nothing when he died. It was refreshing to play as that other character.

@purplehawk2271

4 жыл бұрын

milkyway just because someone cheated doesn't mean they deserve to die

@vergil3800

4 жыл бұрын

Instead of letting one person's cheating action, which wasn't much compared to how dirty every other cop was define them, like the character for all the good they did

1:04 Adultrey was actually punishable by death back then?

@strikerdelta

Жыл бұрын

Well, it would have been considered consorting with the enemy, which is basically treason.

@strikerdelta

Жыл бұрын

Armed Forces during World War II had a strict no fraternization policy with either Japanese or German citizens.

@bdleo300

Ай бұрын

Of course adultery was not punishable by death lol

@bdleo300

Ай бұрын

@@strikerdelta in that case half of american army committed treason. Marlene Dittrich was a big star even during the war and this is 1947. even nazis like von Braun are accepted in America. So who cares if she is German

this particular story arc is why I didn’t cry for him at the end of the game.

I’m with the majority of people when it comes to this, I don’t like that he had the affair cause it comes out of nowhere but…. What if it wasn’t an affair… we could have had be given something like, Cole becoming a close friend with Elsa, and she tells him how awful Germany was under the Nazi rule, and such. Cole is just being her friend, but Roy could have took photos out of context to make everyone believe he was in an affair when he wasn’t. Also, give the wife and kids more more personality and another scene maybe

@kingsboro1

2 жыл бұрын

But it doesn't come out of nowhere cole spent a lot of time at the blue rose his partners was shock that he was married his flashbacks showed he was a broken man the serial killer mason asked what was he looking for some kind of redemption Jack puts the pieces together that this was all about a medal no one deserved

@SoraFan23

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah they should've given more character to Cole's Wife and Kids because we don't see them a lot in this game.

@kingsboro1

2 жыл бұрын

@@SoraFan23 there was no point in it the whole game was about cole selfmade redemption arc

@SoraFan23

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingsboro1 I stand corrected they made Cole a flawed character.

@kingsboro1

2 жыл бұрын

@@SoraFan23 not just cole but Courtney and the others in his unit except jack they were jeolous of cole being awarded the medal despite jack saying everyone in the unit was a hero and he warn them about going in the morphine business saying if they do this they won't be heroes anymore that's why Courtney and some others are dead jack is alive because he moved forward

It doesn't make sence to me, can a cop get in this much trouble and attention if there cheating on there wife or husband, I mean I'm not supporting the act, but that to me seems like a personal matter between the cop and his fiancee in court. I mean think of all the crimanals that they locked up especially because of Phelps, that did more heinous crimes Cole ever did and to be distracted from a whole white collar organizations, it just didn't make sence realistically, I guess Cole was known as a golden boy and somebody who can do no wrong but damn to get put down after having a great break through in a big organization, for the people is just ridiculous......

@kingsboro1

2 ай бұрын

Back then adultery was a crime

One of many unforgivable sins known to man. Adultery.

Ugh I hated this part of the game. Could never understand what he saw in Elsa other than an emotional connection. Still was no reason to sleep with her. The game pretty much sucked after this and I liked Cole well enough before. In the end, I liked playing Jack much better.

@kingsboro1

2 жыл бұрын

What did you expect from a noir story they don't have happy endings and the protagonist is mostly viewed as flawed and sometimes worst then the bad guys Cole and Courtney was no different jack was better he moved on he didn't care about medals that's why he's alive and Cole and Courtney are dead

@Hunter_shull

Жыл бұрын

Elsa is sexy wtf u talking about