Freya is someone Kratos can completely sympathise with, and due to herself having a troubled past he tells her about his past experiences. The fact that he tells her about Deimos and Caliope, as well as about the murder of his family speaks volumes.

@puzzledotgamer5461

Жыл бұрын

quite literally relate to her freya: you killed my child and now I want revenge on you god of war kratos: no way we got so much in common I killed my child to and wanted revenge on a god of war

@justsomeguy747

Жыл бұрын

@@puzzledotgamer5461 Kratos completely understands Freya’s pain, and Baldur’s demise was to protect her. He considered her a friend, and her kindness toward him and his son showed him that some Gods are good. He killed Baldur to protect the Nine Realms from disaster as he once committed, and also to stop the cycle of sons killing their parents.

@kevind3974

Жыл бұрын

it got to a point that i would not have been surprised if he told her why he killed zaus, his father, for all the bad he did (comparison to odin) and finaly mention it to someone that hes not albino but its ash

Kratos talking about calliope and deimos shows how much he wants to show Freya that he sympathizes with her and the trust and respect he has for her.

@James-yz4cc

Жыл бұрын

And Kratos really wants to live or not have to kill Freya, lol.

@tylerberman7527

Жыл бұрын

@@James-yz4cc yeah, he cares more about the blood on his hands these days, he would almost rather die then repeat the same mistakes

@livinglegend9709

Жыл бұрын

It was funny to me NGL😅. She kept on telling kratos that he doesn't know how it feels, even though we as fans know he's been there

@Maxisamo1

Жыл бұрын

More specifically empathize

Freya: you don't know my suffering Kratos: chapter 1. A god tricks me into killing my wife and daughter

@lumpystilskin5367

Жыл бұрын

And mother

@czkmeister

Жыл бұрын

@@lumpystilskin5367 Mother was killed later. But yeah, he's got her blood on his hands too.

@HunterForHire422

Жыл бұрын

So how many chapters we got here? 57?

@livinglegend9709

Жыл бұрын

@@HunterForHire422 shoot might as well go ahead and call it an encyclopedia 🤣

@Da_caffeinated_insomniac

Жыл бұрын

Chapter 11: after killing ares I became a god then had to murder my mother Chapter 12: another god murdered my previously presumed dead brother after he was tortured for decades because of a prophecy about me Chapter 13: robbed of godhood killed by Zeus and tourtued in hades then came back

Freya: “You think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child?” Player: 😐

Kratos has pride of being a Spartan warrior…while also acknowledging it is a very torturous existence. The self-awareness makes him all the wiser

@damienmitchell3104

Жыл бұрын

he even mentioned to atraious why he didnt put him through it. he didnt want his son to go through what he did.

@Maxisamo1

Жыл бұрын

@@damienmitchell3104 Of course, while it made it a great warrior, that's ALL it did. Which is true to Spartan culture. They were brutal people, even more than 300 implies

@gamerstheater1187

Жыл бұрын

Kratos doesn't take pride in being a Spartan, he hates being a Spartan. In the comics, that take place before the games he's daughter had a skin disease and was going to be sacrificed, so he goes through hell and back to get an apple to heal her. He also uses bows and lets Atreus use a bow despite the fact that Spartans view bows as cowardly weapons, he also didn't put his son through such hardship

@Dragon_Lair

Жыл бұрын

@@Maxisamo1 It was to a point that Spartan were outright banned from wrestling in the Olympics because their killer instincts were so honed in and had become muscle memory that they just couldn't not try and kill their opponents, or gouge out their eyes or whatever when wrestling. They just couldn't not do it.

It's hilarious because Freya really thinks she can kill Kratos. Not even Kratos can kill himself, he's tried and it didn't work.

@phanquan9470

Жыл бұрын

*insert kratos falling meme*

@carrot656

Жыл бұрын

I mean you've seen the boss fight with her, even tho Kratos hesistated at the last moment she gained the upper hand and almost killed him before Atreus intervened.

@0omatthewo0

Жыл бұрын

the man literally been in hell 4+ times and walk out like a morning stroll

@czkmeister

Жыл бұрын

@@carrot656 Kratos has already died and has been in hell multiple times. Even Freya admits Greek gods were much stronger than them. She wouldn't have killed him, because he wouldn't let her, but he also doesn't want to kill her. There's no such term as upper hand when you're fighting Kratos, the man's a war machine.

@Lolololololololololo123

Жыл бұрын

@@czkmeister he's far more greater than a war machine. HE'S THE FUCKING GOD OF WAR!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

As one of the OGs who played God of War since its debut in 2005 this moment truly meant alot.

@LauftFafa

Жыл бұрын

same here . i was kinda hurt because the previous game acted as she never existed and was totally replaced and forgotten and that was really like an insult to me personally because of chains of olympus moment and all the things we did as kratos . she at least deserve to be remembered . so yes this moment here , just her name being mentioned means a lot

@Kopaka808

Жыл бұрын

I’m still waiting for Kratos to talk with his Son about all of his past. The family he killed, how their ashes are forever fused to his skin. All the evil acts he committed in his quest for vengeance. Disappointed that even the second game doesn’t touch on it.

@LauftFafa

Жыл бұрын

@@Kopaka808 seeing how ragnarock ended i think it wont happen sadly next time we will see the boy he will become a man and he probably wont ask much about his dad's past he will probably care more about his own people and cause

@Kopaka808

Жыл бұрын

@@LauftFafa I really want the son to encounter Athena on his travels. I feel what Kratos did in Greece still needs resolving. Despite the path of redemption that he’s been on. I feel there is still a reckoning for Kratos, whether it be him, his son, or both to face it.

@LauftFafa

Жыл бұрын

@@Kopaka808 one thing still kind of unresolved is his daughter ? after the fall of tartarus and all souls getting free i just see no reason why she should stay in the elysium field . if she have powers too like her father she can become part of a the pantheon of few survivors . ihope she get a redemption ark for kratos or something i still find her an unresolved matter that should not be forgotten and replaced as if she never existed . i was so happy to hear kratos mentioning her name in this game

Freya: You don't understand my pain Kratos: I had to reject my dead daughter whom I was tricked into killing to keep the world from ending.

Kratos casually saying he burned olympus to the ground is such a chad move

Freya: "You will never understand my pain." Kratos: *"Haha sorry."*

@okayaahil

Жыл бұрын

kratos is the living embodiment of that meme

@chilarius

Жыл бұрын

Was their She-Hulk/Hulk moment.

@Ryu-qk1kx

Жыл бұрын

but its true tho, what Freya went through isnt even comparable to Kratos. Freya lost a son that had pretty much hated her his entire life, Kratos killed his loving child and wife with his own hand.

@2thomask

Жыл бұрын

Kratos is like i murderd an entire pantheon because of that pain and im well on my way to killing off a second one

@yogurtmale4946

Жыл бұрын

@@chilarius not really. the situation is different

I think what I like about this is that Kratos isn’t telling Freya this to get her to sympathize with him or to even stop, it was more of his own way of saying that he went through the same journey she did and to see where his choices got him

@mat7083

Жыл бұрын

Same journey? He should tell her the part where he gave up everything to be with Calliope in Elysium and had to leave her again and for good to save her soul. It’s one thing to lose a child, another to be forced to abandon her even after she’s dead and never see her again. Freya can’t even begin to fathom what Kratos went through

@abysschef5078

Жыл бұрын

@@mat7083 oh yeah, Kratos had it waaaaay worse.

@dlimla

Жыл бұрын

also to mention he's cursed to forever wear their ashes on his skin as a constant reminder

@cakebanans2039

Жыл бұрын

@@mat7083 the point kratos wants to make is not to rub in that he's gone through worse.

@mat7083

Жыл бұрын

@@cakebanans2039 While inadvertently rubbing in that he’s gone through worse

You know it is quite surreal hearing Kratos talk so openly about his past. When in the previous game, Kratos made it clear how cagey he was about telling anyone anything about himself...not even to his son until necessary. But I guess Kratos wanted Freya to know that he has been through the same pains she has and they must rise above them.

@MrBills5700

Жыл бұрын

I like to think back to the ending of the last game, where Kratos gets rid of his bandages and says "I have nothing more to hide". It really shows in Ragnarok how he's changed!

The Fact that Kratos says "to aid my friends" really has shown how much he has changed

@everettenjeze6276

Жыл бұрын

Friends. Who would of thought kratos ever used that word.

@darklight79797

Жыл бұрын

@@everettenjeze6276 she did save his son.

@lem0nade_899

Жыл бұрын

@@darklight79797 she did WAY more than saving Artreus

@livinglegend9709

Жыл бұрын

@@everettenjeze6276 the only freind kratos has had was orkos😂

@everettenjeze6276

Жыл бұрын

@@livinglegend9709 yeah

Freya had every right to be angry with the choice that was robbed away from her, however, she made a mistake to push Kratos' buttons by assuming he kills for no rhyme or reason. Her words right then reminded Kratos of his late sister.

@siddharthkhattar1297

Жыл бұрын

late sister??

@tendyoi498

Жыл бұрын

@@siddharthkhattar1297 Athena

@stuffzluvverz_7665

Жыл бұрын

@@siddharthkhattar1297 don't forget that Athena, Ares, Hercules, and others were related to Kratos. He is a son of Zeus.

@trihermawan9553

Жыл бұрын

@@siddharthkhattar1297 uhh Greece pantheon was just a large family squabbles.

@everettenjeze6276

Жыл бұрын

Athena is still alive

Honestly, I love how Kratos has grown and evolved over the years. Not just in being so open about the sins of his past, but also with the fact that he is freely sharing said past with someone that not so long ago he would have easily seen as an enemy. Freya is a goddess. Doesn't matter what kind, he would still see her as an enemy, but now he's not only seeing her in a much more favourable light, I'd actually go so far as to say that he even considers her a close friend, refusing to even harm her if he could help it. Best of all, this transition from anger to acceptance felt natural. He wasn't just suddenly written to stop hating her, he grew to trust and respect her once she saved Atreus' life, not to mention understanding completely her hatred for him after saving her life. I'd actually go so far as to say that Kratos has lost his anti-hero status and has genuinely started shifting to a genuine hero

The memories. All those times of young kratos seeking vengeance and acting on his anger by killing the whole pantheon to the ground it's all coming back now

2:38 - 2:46 You could hear a little bit of Young Kratos' rage within this part. 👁️👄👁️

@rainbowcloudss_

Жыл бұрын

I am not here for debts!

i love how kratos reapplies his code of not being anyones puppet and how he isn't regretful for killing baldur, he simply aids because freya aided him when in need

Man hearing Kratos talk about his past hits strongly, even to those of us who know about the events that took place in the previous games.

glad she is still not forgotten . it was heartbreaking in chains of Olympus the way you leave her there it did really hurt and i am not even a father yet but i was really hard on feelings . the way the previous game totally forgot her made me kinda dislike atreus because he felt as a replacement that erased her memory and kratos too acted as if she never existed . so i am glad Kratos still remember her.

@matlatpower7472

Жыл бұрын

Considering jow her ash is literally on his body he can't really forget her even when he want to.

@yogurtmale4946

Жыл бұрын

she can't be forgotten

@obsidianfrost9514

Жыл бұрын

The sense of Forgotten is the developers not mentioning her is what op means

"Trying to play on my sympathies in the hope I let you live." Dude brought ruin to the entire Greek pantheon and killed her unkillable son. How does she think she stands a chance?

@stargazer6510

Жыл бұрын

In her dreams probably.

@Vectivuss

Жыл бұрын

Mirrors real world female delusion, How many women in our world think just because they've been told their equal, that they can actually fight and beat men.

@obsidianfrost9514

Жыл бұрын

Listen to Freyas response when Kratos tells her it won't bring her peace. She implied she isn't interested in that she wants to die. Having a way at Odin dueing Ragnarok gave her more motivation to live.

İ think Kratos's old family parts need have special emotional scenes because this shown Kratos's past mistakes. it added more depth to the character. Developer chosse just walking or climbing and talk Like that i think it's not correct decision. Sorry for my bad english.

@tenchu006

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you fully

@0omatthewo0

Жыл бұрын

i wish that Freya try to use magic to reads his mind while binding him to get information about prophecy and insted show his entire life in his POV and Freya freak out, snap out of it and crying " i...didnt know..." after they have talk about losing a child

“You think you can understand the pain of losing a child” “Yes, mentally and physically, my skin wasn’t always white

I love how Kratos recognized that how he grew up and how he was raised in Sparta are not good or healthy ways to raise children. I wonder if Faye taught him that?

Freya being quiet about how Spartans were made and Kratos' childhood was satisfying

She really asked him the feeling of loosing a child while he killed his own daughter

We grew up with these stories so you can't blame some of us to have tears when Kratos finally lets someone pry in his History.

"Also i "helped" a lot of woman i found in exchange for red orbs" "oh. that must be tiring" "tiring?"

In Norse mythology, baldur is in helheim during Ragnarok and thus didn't perish with Asgard. And then he came back to life. Would love to see that and have Freya get her son back and they could reconcile. Would make a great DLC

Wait! They talking about Deimos too?

Freya: You will never understand my pain! Kratos: I stiff armed the soul of my crying daughter off my leg to slaughter other innocent souls in front of her to regain power to kill her half-aunt and chain her great-uncle up and force him to carry the world. And then ensured she was erased when I destroyed Greece forever denying her of even the moments of peace and tranquility she was given. This after the last thing she physically saw was me killing her while in a blind bloodlusted murder rage from her uncle. Freya: I apologize for my outburst.

Freya: “You think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child?” Kratos: “Yes I do” Freya: 🫢

Honestly im glad kratos used talk no jutsu on her

He should have said and their ashes is in my skin

Honestly? They should've shown all of these in some sort of cutscene so we could see their faces and reactions. I am kinda disappointed that we haven't seen a flashback or any kind of cutscene towards kratos's past and freya seeing his brutality and rage.

@jotarokujofan702

Жыл бұрын

as much as i apreciate these moments, i agree completely,

@tenchu006

Жыл бұрын

100 percent agree, these reveals should have been big moments. Having no flashbacks/ big references was truly disappointing.

@everettenjeze6276

Жыл бұрын

@@tenchu006 he should told all of this to atreus. Hell odin should of used this to push atreus away from kratos. Missed opportunity.

@Joker-yw1bv

Жыл бұрын

@@everettenjeze6276 Atreus would never betray his father, no matter what he did in the past. Kratos loves him and he know that.

@edgarb.6187

Жыл бұрын

Flash back yes, but I don't think current reactions would be possible. Their souls would be bounded to Hades and the Greek world. So they would not be able to be there.

the lore is so fuckin good man specially the ones from others games my god

What he's failed to mention is that he is wearing his family's ashes on his body to serve as reminder.

What I love the most about Kratos is that he truly respects and owes a lot to Freya, so much so that he wants to make sure she doesn't go down the same path he did as a god: From trying to spare Baldur TWICE after Freya saved Atreus, to him explaining to Freya himself his past and how it shaped him to be the broken yet fixed man he is today. He's learned since the first Norse game that withholding information does more harm than good, he didn't make the same mistake twice.

Freya: trying to play on my sympathys in the hopes a let you live Kratos: bitch I've killed titans, god's, and the king of gods, oh and lets not forget YOUR SON

freya is one of the very few gods if not the only god kratos has let live

Imagine they fall in love to each other in the next games.

freya: can you even imagine the loss of a child *kratos tells freya how ares tricked him into murdering his own wife and child, killing his brother and mother* also freya: 0.0

Freya: not with the debt you own me. Kratos: fine I make you another son. Barry white music starts.

She definitely earned her spot as a companion in my books

He did more than fuck up Olympus and kill his master...dude slayed his entire FAMILY! Not just Lysandra and Calliope but also his EXTENDED Family- Brothers, sisters, HALF Siblings, UNCLES AUNTS! EVEN HIS FATHER! and she has the balls to say he didn't know what loss was? geez.

just tells that they only know Kratos due to him destroying Olympus, none knew of the man he was before his ascension to godhood

Kratos is genuinely one of the sadest backstories in history

I’m kinda sad he didn’t mention the ashes of his family are glued to his body

kratos you wanna know how I got these chains moment

When y played all god of war even psp versions this brings such a joy to hear the past its tragic yes but same vibe like in 2016 when y see athena talking shit to you😂😂

he even gave him a warning

Kratos learns Talk No Jutsu at the end of GOW4

Freya, Freya. If only she had some seen some flashback of the chaos he caused in his realm. Then she wouldn't be talking so much.

@karllande9140

Жыл бұрын

If she would i think she ll run from him as far as its possible

Imagine he told her that his wife and child are part of him now as white skin ash the ghost of sparta

When kratos toll Freya you will find no peace if she kills him He really went back to the gow 1 ending when after he defeated ares The gods did not took the memory of him assassinating his family

if balder took the warning kratos would of let him live 😊

OH MY GOD NO WAYYYYYYY THEY REFERENCED THISSSSSS

i just always wonder what would happen if younger kratos was in old kratos' place talking to freya about her loss and her whole mf attitude.

I loved hearing this but reveals and references like calliope and Deimos should've really been cutscenes

See here’s the thing, the Norse just knows Kratos as the God Of War or the Destroyer Of Olympus, they don’t know him as a person. When he told Freya about his past actions & the death of his family she completely sympathized with him.

kratos god of sorrow and grief

Out of everything he's mentioned I'm glad he doesn't mention his skin... Honestly that part would be the hardest for him to relay, and I doubt he'll ever want to.

Sounds a lot like Kratos is talking to his younger self

Freya starting and STAYING on the defensive until they reconcile is both fitting and unfortunate. She likely believes Kratos is trying to manipulate her the way Odin did. But that’s not who he is..

Wish he had mentioned the ashes of his previous family are the reason why he is pale

Kratos: You listen to me, woman!

well i love both of them kratos and freya but freya is talking to kratos like she is actually capable enough of killing him that makes laugh like this guy has been holding back all the time she would be dead in no time if kratos decides to kill her (lol just in case he is the old kratos without maturity he gained)

I just wished Freya would have realized Baldur would just go after kratos after she was dead and died

It's a bit sadding to watch two good friends try to patch things up when both have long histories of being manipulated or abused

Why does it feel like this game is focused on developing kratos and freya

Freya: You think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child? Kratos: Woman, what did you think these were? Skin lotion?

plus kratos didn’t want to see freya die not after she saved his son

Kratos didnt even tell her why hes so white, that would prolly frickin made her cry lol

Mimir know a lot…how likely is it he knows kratos family ashes are what cover him

Kratos: “I am not here for debts! I would have always helped you!” Freya: “So much has been taken from me and I’m just supposed to let it all go?” Kratos: *losing Deimos* *losing Calliope* *losing Lysandra* *losing his mother* *losing Orkos* *losing the last Spartan* *losing Zeus*

@chuvakchuvakov8891

Жыл бұрын

Zeus is definitely the worst person and meanest father, but still he is his own father

@myopiamlbb

Жыл бұрын

@@chuvakchuvakov8891 definitely.

@yogurtmale4946

Жыл бұрын

and kinda lost atreus in the ending

@myopiamlbb

Жыл бұрын

@@yogurtmale4946 At least Atreus did not die. Unlike the ones mentioned…

@yogurtmale4946

Жыл бұрын

@@myopiamlbb true

I like that he talks about the Agoge as it REALLY was - a nightmarish cycle of abuse, rather than the honorable warrior's upbringing popular media paints it as.

@azazel166

Жыл бұрын

Greek here, and I agree, plus it didn't make Spartans into super soldiers at all.

kratos did not want to kill balder he had no choice he would of kept going after them

I am disappointed he didn't tell Atreus all of htis in the game.

I don't think she knows about nanna and forseti yet maybe they could show them in a dlc

This would have been even more sad if kratos would have told that his dead wife and childs ashes binded in his skin and that's why he is so pale. It's his curse to carry his mistake on him all the time.

He should have also said "You see my pale white skin? Yeah, that's the ashes of my dead daughter and wife that I accidentally murdered. Bonded to my skin to constantly remind me of my failure. "

the reason why kratos has not killed freya when she attacked was because she saved his sons life for that reason he sees her as a friend even tho he has killed her son and knows she wants revenge on him

She was silent after he told her how Spartans were made 😂 she ain’t have not a thing to say after that 😂 Freya was so unbearable it was terrible lol

Kratos got it worst.

if it wasn’t for freya his son would be dead

If I was Kratos I would of snapped at Freya!! But still wanting to smash.

Its funny she always mentions killing him and thinks she can ,when a whole pantheon couldn't do it😂😂😂😂,he is just refusing to fight if he really wanted to kill her it would probably take one fight and she's in valhalla with his son😂😂😂

kratos could of killed odin on his on this guy took down olympus by him self he just wanted his son to have a chance

Freya is yet another spoiled childish god. So tired of teenage writing pass for "gods". LOL, Freya thinking she can kill a god of war. That was so stupid, it through me out of immersion until it finally resolved but even then I was shocked Kratos didn't kill her at any point during her attacks in the 3-4 years since she vowed revenge. Even just so she would leave him and his son alone.

Come to think of it... Both Kratos and Freya killed their child. Kratos might've done the deed but it was ultimately Freya's fault that it turned that way. It's the same as Kratos... Had he not been a bloodthirsty warrior, the events of GoW wouldn't have happened

Only way to shut a feminist up who thinks her life is too hard is explain to her slowly what Hard actually means.

@FJCD

Жыл бұрын

Seriously that is what you got out of this? You are the same as radical feminists, you can't help but think about each other all the time. Both are in the game of victimizing yourselves ad nauseum.

@Medjayon

Жыл бұрын

@@FJCD I am many things my friend. Victim is not one of them. Just because life is hard on me does not make me a victim that is the point. There is always HARDER and you better believe MEN lead HARDER lives than women its just a fact thats all.

@FJCD

Жыл бұрын

@@Medjayon don't agree with you. This is not a competition of has it worst, the fact is we both have hard lives in different areas. I am a man by the way. Ive seen stupid shit my wife has to put up with just because she is a woman. And believe me she has to put with way more stupid shit than I do just because her sex chromosomes. And sorry but if you are the type of person that brings his hard life unwarranted and claims to have it worst that half of the human population, that is called bitching and it is a type of self victimization.

@Medjayon

Жыл бұрын

@@FJCD It is a relief that the truth does not need your agreement. it is also a fact that you are naïve. You are a married child not a married man.

Freya has no idea what kratos has been through and what he has done! She doesnt even come close to it.