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@kingshadow8782

Жыл бұрын

Hello there good cutscene.

1 speaks in 3rd person 2 speaks in 1st person 3 speaks in quotes Genius.

@jc8153

Жыл бұрын

All the components for a story

@GeoMag27

Жыл бұрын

speak plain

@vanivan25

Жыл бұрын

The third-person view is telling about present, like explain what's happening to detail (like explaining kratos' brow and grunt, etc) the first-person view told about past, and the quote person is telling what will they (Kratos' gang) say

@savathunthejudge914

Жыл бұрын

Ahahaha...i was right. You can't escape fate. Even if you kill it with your hands

@jimmyc2223

Жыл бұрын

Urd is the past, so she speaks the events that was done. Verdandi is the present, so she describes the actions the 3 are making. Skuld is the future, so she says what the 3 are about to say. But I agree with Freya, Skuld is the most annoying one😂

Literally my favorite scene in the game. It shook Kratos and Freya to learn it wasn’t prophecy or a grand design that was screwing them over. No destiny. It was just them. You can fight destiny. It’s harder to fight yourself.

@h3rtzy887

Жыл бұрын

“It’s the nature of the thing that matters, not the form”

@garthyahudahandrews8504

Жыл бұрын

Ichigo Kurosaki begs to differ

@Nnaron

Жыл бұрын

Kind of ironic, since "The inherent flaws in your character bringing you to your inevitable doom" is how *Greek* tragedies usually play out.

@Johno1992

Жыл бұрын

@@garthyahudahandrews8504 naruto uzumaki and kawaki too

@malakitruitt1853

Жыл бұрын

Wait, I thought kratos already knew this, since throughout Gow norse, he does not care about fate and destiny so long as he can protect those he cares about, "another lie told by the gods, nothing is written that cannot be unwritten" As to Odin, he is trying to fight/defy "fate" to control his outcome. If I am wrong, then i am open for correction

I love how this scene also shows the ultimate answer to Odin's biggest problem that he could never face. Odin was so obsessed with controlling his destiny that he took the entire world hostage and slaughtered thousands just to do it. Yet, the Norns reveal here that the only real way to change your "fate" is to change who you are as a person and it's only you never changing that makes your destiny clear. Of course, Odin probably heard this message long before our heroes and was like "Fuck that, you guys just haven't tried to change your fate hard enough!"

@wafflepiepancake

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. You kinda get to feel for Odin here, in that context. Because in order to change fate, you have to change yourself. And for many, many of us, changing ourselves is hard.

@hereisyoursign6750

Жыл бұрын

This he why he murdered the jotun. This is what they were like. A force of nature.

@theTranscendentOnes

Жыл бұрын

what if your fate is to change yourself and change your decisions? but ultimately you change nothing since you were always meant to "change" this way. or not. any this story is cheap to me and it never fails to amuse me how people are actually impressed by the story in GoW

@AutumnOnFire

Жыл бұрын

Not only that, he has a literal tear in the fabric of reality that could change that

@JimmyBoy9878

Жыл бұрын

@@AutumnOnFire if he hadnt been so murderous and evil. Atreus would have glady given him his answers.

“You are the sum of your choices, nothing more” That line is so powerful

@VictorVlogz

4 ай бұрын

HELLA AGREED

@davysmith1934

3 ай бұрын

You are not, but I still think it goes hard.

@oentrepreneur

Ай бұрын

​@davysmith1934 you kind of are. That literally makes sense

@davysmith1934

Ай бұрын

@@oentrepreneur you will be greater than your choices.

I really like how they portrayed the Norns. "We cannot see the future, there is no divine destiny. We just know you. That's how we know what you will do in the future."

@danielhaire6677

10 ай бұрын

They'd make good profilers, than.

@Jordan64852

9 ай бұрын

The algorithm online are the Norns irl lmao

@litanime5177

7 ай бұрын

When was this line displayed!??

@ssark9187

7 ай бұрын

​@@Jordan64852 You said it brother

@dacaba

7 ай бұрын

Nice line🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I love just how when the line 'kratos holds his grunt...' he grunts to prove that fate has no hold on him only for it to backfire because the script wasn't even finished.

@anselmopat4985

Жыл бұрын

Kratos and Freya got absolutely humbled in this scene Look at their faces as they get out, the Norns proved themselves to just be on another level and Kratos ended up accepting things/fate in a way

@sui6160

Жыл бұрын

@@anselmopat4985 “another level” Kratos literally just couldn’t be bothered. They’re literally nothing to him lmao

@pok3rfacReturns

Жыл бұрын

@@sui6160 They rattled all three of them.

@jaycarrillojc

Жыл бұрын

Shit had me laughing lol

@musigamer4723

Жыл бұрын

@@jaycarrillojc same

"He still slays gods, but now he's sad about it?" might be the best line in the whole game. Not just a dig at Kratos, but at the revitilization of the series as a whole compared to what it initially was. In a scene that's already playing with the ideas of protagonists and scripts, this is a direct toss to the audience itself and what players have come to look for from the series.

@fissilewhistle

Жыл бұрын

It’s almost like they’re saying that to avert fate, you have to change not only your form, but your nature as well.

@Bread_Bug

Жыл бұрын

I love that line, it’s like the writers poking fun at themselves

@Atlantid01

Жыл бұрын

“Focusing on the second act to the exclusion of the final” might be referencing that this Nordic set of games was originally meant to be a trilogy instead of a pair (I can’t remember if that was just a rumor or not though).

@dantewilson182

Жыл бұрын

@@Atlantid01 I recall that they did in fact confirm that was the original intention. Their reason for making the Norse Era a duology is because the development for these games is fairly massive, they each take around 5 years to make. So the devs felt that they didn't want fans to wait 10 years to see the story resolve cause if this was the second part of a trilogy then...... damn the final part would have come out in 2028.

@cookingwithkratos

Жыл бұрын

@@dantewilson182 their is another one coming. They just arent telling us bc We will stay harassing them for info. 🤷

This scene is truly powerful. There are no destiny, no prophecy, no fate, only choices you make. And norns make their "prophecies" based on the predictability of the person. Ragnarok was inevitable because Odin never changed even in his last moment. Freya lost her son because she never learned to let go.

@emperorofinception3571

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, in both cases they forced to issue to the point where that ended up being pretty much the only outcome outside of doing nothing.

@monsterkid4937

Жыл бұрын

There was something I was taught. You die when you change. Think different thoughts, make different choices and feel differently. You are no longer you, you are someone else you are no longer the person you was before well died and a new person has been born

@yarapah

Жыл бұрын

It was a perfect storm of circumstance. You got a goddess mother who could not accept what was written and overprotected him to his own detriment. You got a son who was so angry with said goddess mother his mind was gone and swore revenge. And then you got a god killer on the loose. Bring them all into one snowy field in Midgard and what do you have?

@lumberluc

Жыл бұрын

"You are the sum of the choices you make". Once again, The Norns are the only Fates I respect.

@lumberluc

Жыл бұрын

​@@yarapah The survivors of Fate... and War.

Urð - "You will die, Kratos of sparta." (silence) Kratos - "Death can have me, when it earns me."

@tanrata8658

Жыл бұрын

Technically he's already dead. Kratos died in GoW1 and he just climbed out of Hades as a soul. Imagine him going back to his body and celebrating with it Weekend at Bernies style.

@zielu6530

Жыл бұрын

@@tanrata8658 Well kratos's curse actually doesn't let him be dead for so long. Fate needs to find a way to bring him back to life either on his own or by someone else.

@lorenzdecena

Жыл бұрын

Urð: Come on, sister Fates. Ha ha! I mean, Norns.

@spinozilla2421

Жыл бұрын

@@tanrata8658 kratos has a body tho, even in hell we see this like hades boss fight where he atempt to pull kratos soul out his body with the claws of hades

@CaptainPilipinas

Жыл бұрын

'too Quicken Arrogance. Mostly in everyone.' -- unknown.

I kind of like how they wrote the Norns. It's not like it's all magic. They use their choices, past, and their nature to predict or to know what will happen in the future. It's great stuff.

@90CJk

Жыл бұрын

Well the Norns have powerful magic but over the mind and where the entrances to their home is. But they can see the future as they are Jotunn unless GoT contradicts it. But even with that they state Destiny and Scripts are an illusion based on how predictable one’s actions are. As if they didn’t have any ability to see the future than they wouldn’t have known where Loki was or whom was plotting to kill him. So the Fates of Greece make the story. The Fates of the Nine Realm tell the story and only know it mostly because the actors are predictable not because of absolute destiny.

@yudhazacharias9377

Жыл бұрын

Kratos and Atreus survived at the end, so why do the Norns say otherwise? My head is in a blender, can anyone explain, thank you

@Fartypotion

Жыл бұрын

​@@yudhazacharias9377 The norns themselves says there is no destiny. They are simply very good at reading people that they can predict their futures. It is only when people change their ways that their futures change too. For example, I was a heavy smoker, and I was predicted to die from lung cancer based on my smoking habit. But if I changed my bad habits fast enough, I could prevent myself from getting lung cancer. The norns only warn you if you keep doing that, you will get this.

@Dfvill

Жыл бұрын

@@yudhazacharias9377 Basically the Norns can't see the future, they only know the characters of the play, their motivations, goals and flaws and predict the logical outcome. The Norn tell Kratos what will happen if he continued in his path, mocking him slightly because no one really changes (oh, he still kill gods but now feels bad about it). But Kratos has changed, we realize that he can no longer be a destroyer, for Atreus' sake. He became a general, a redeemer, and eventually a god worthy of worship.

@yudhazacharias9377

Жыл бұрын

@@Dfvill oh I see. Thank you. Okay, what about the murals on Jotunheim and Ironwood that shows Kratos dead and Atreus with Odin? We know that the Atreus and Odin one is only temporary, but why is there a mural showing Kratos death, but at the end, it's revealed that Faye destroyed them all?

The fact that a child, a middle aged woman, and an elderly woman, with no weapons or magic, could instill such unease and frustration, in 2 INCREDIBLY strong Gods, and "The Smartest Man Alive", with nothing more than words, shows you how TRULY incredible this scene was written and acted. I've NEVER seen Kratos appear so helpless. Easily one of the greatest scenes' in the ENTIRE franchise.

@emperorofinception3571

Жыл бұрын

Since they are able to predict their words and actions with ease, they have insight into what bothers the three of them and are they able to speak truths some of which are unknown to them and some of which they know do not want to acknowledge.

@kereiltutt5769

Жыл бұрын

They represent the past present and future and they control the fate of every being in the universe, even gods

@ryantheready3066

Жыл бұрын

@@kereiltutt5769 They don’t control fate in this game. They only observe an record it. There’s a line with mimir an kratos where he tells them of the Greek fates power to control the fates of everyone an mimir an Freya are shocked,stating the norns hold no such power

@emperorofinception3571

Жыл бұрын

@@ryantheready3066 Agreed, even the Norns themselves state that there is no destiny only choices and their ability to predict what will happen is because the choices that the characters make are predictable. They know the script, but whether the ending remains the same or changes depends on the people involved in it.

@danieldevito6380

Жыл бұрын

@@emperorofinception3571 I'm just so surprised that Kratos lost his composure so quickly and easily. Consider the fact that this isn't the first time he's been around a bunch of "all seeing, all knowing" beings, and should be used to it by now.

This scene was so badass. 4:21-4:34 gave me chills. Old Kratos awoke in there for a second. Heimdalls fucked!

@jetted_out

Жыл бұрын

The musical orchestra band is badass too. Always has been for gow. The music choice is phenomenal.

@Cyrus-rodn45

Жыл бұрын

How so ?

@cthulhu8078

Жыл бұрын

Ost please

@DevilOfParadis328

Жыл бұрын

@@Cyrus-rodn45 did you not watch the video ?

@Cyrus-rodn45

Жыл бұрын

@@DevilOfParadis328 I did

"And because you kill gods" How casually she says this makes this line so fucking funny, like it's just something he does as a passtime. Guess that's just how people react when you slaughter an entire pantheon

@nikkimiddlekillsday5161

Жыл бұрын

Only difference is now he's sad about it

@justinguyos5476

Жыл бұрын

Some people have bad habits they should drop but have a hard time doing so like smoking or drinking. In Kratos' case it happens to be killing gods.

@blueleader102

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, lol. "Roses are red, water is wet, and that one kills Gods. Typical Saturday afternoon."

@brendaspence1824

Жыл бұрын

@@nikkimiddlekillsday5161 “shall we get him a crown?”

@Broomer52

Жыл бұрын

He did it so regularly that it might as well have been a pass time. Even before he declared war on Zeus he was murdering Gods.

The raw creativity in this game is mindblowing. This scene had no right to be this good

@nikkimiddlekillsday5161

Жыл бұрын

Skuld was hilarious 😂

@aegolk

Жыл бұрын

@@nikkimiddlekillsday5161 Yes, with a sparkle, and with a glint in her eyes perhaps. Brings out a smile.

@starsfalldown1234567

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't that great. No fight scene at all. keratos should have stabbed them in the tits like what he did to the faiths.

@nikkimiddlekillsday5161

Жыл бұрын

@@starsfalldown1234567 seriously missing the point of this Kratos, he's burnt out and tired of battle. He's not driven by anger and impulse anymore

@frenchynoob

Жыл бұрын

are just... forgetting God of War 2?

“He still slays gods but now he’s sad about it?” What a good meta joke.

The "shut up" being copied is just awesome, especially with how speechless Freya is left after that.

@senhoramarocas.5285

4 ай бұрын

She's just pissed due to her immaturity.

4:49 is such a good scene . I never seen a group of super powered people so shook . They came in there for answers and they were lectured and ridiculed and laughed out and got their answers just not what they wanted to hear yet they already knew

@thefogg

Жыл бұрын

the look on Freyas face is what got me in this scene.

@Kyubii01

Жыл бұрын

@@thefogg that’s exactly what I meant lol I never seen her so close to Kratos . Like she needed to hide next or behind him

@PBart7

Жыл бұрын

You can tell all three of them are a bit disturbed by their interaction with them, I love how creepy the Norns are but how they are technically completely correct in everything they said, even "Kratos of Sparta" dying, I believe she was being metaphorical when she said that, the 'old' Kratos died so that a new Better Kratos could come into being

@Bergamont45

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, those norns reduced ancient/powerful being's to feeling as exposed as mortals; Freya looks like a younger sister wanting to be close to an older sibling out of emotional vulnerability.

@emperorofinception3571

Жыл бұрын

@@PBart7 That is my conclusion as well. Kratos is trying to keep from becoming the same person he was, trying to keep from becoming the Ghost of Sparta again. I think that the prediction she meant what you said because clearly this Kratos is far different than the one who was born and raised in Sparta, far removed from the god of war who sent his nation into war against his fellow Greeks, and far away from the one who destroyed Sparta in pursuit of his vengeance against his father.

People talking about how they're lucky they didn't finish like the Fates but I feel like the Norns know very well what happened to the Fates, yet kept annoying Kratos because they know that he has changed and that he wouldn't do anything about it this time.

@user-ns2ku3zz7p

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@pyromania1018

Жыл бұрын

Plus they weren't actively hindering him or dumb enough to pick a fight.

@silvt4832

Жыл бұрын

Well, Fates were killed Because they were trying to manipulate Kratos destiny, here Norns are just telling him they are readers of the story, no writers------there is no writers, only decisions which Kratos cannot aviod to make, which is defined as "destiny"

@beesmongeese2978

Жыл бұрын

A true Kratos move would have been to actually surprise them by sawing one in two

@Birthday888

Жыл бұрын

@@beesmongeese2978 That would have proven them right though. That Kratos was truly incapable of solving problems without death or violence.

From what I’ve seen here: Urd (past) seems to be the best here: capable of using anyone’s past to guess the ending. Verdande (present) are considerably the weakest here, but still capable of predicting what’s going on and what’s happening soon Skuld (future) imo is the most intriguing one: capable of guessing conversations to the point of perfection within seconds. Now that’s just both intriguing and terrifying to me right now

@liaml.e.5964

Жыл бұрын

Not quite. Norske myths do not perceive them as past, present and future, Nornir were perceived as Present (Verðandi), debt/should, or basically the immediate future (Skuld), and fate (Urðr).

@ABooD-tw1gj

Жыл бұрын

I find it more like, third person/second person/ and first person speaking, one tells a story like a narrator, the second talks to you breaking the wall as if you were reading a story, and the last one is in first person, where the narrator is a character of the story.

@iancampbell2517

Жыл бұрын

They are The Maiden, The Mother, The Crone

@Vixxie_Aerogosa

Жыл бұрын

@@iancampbell2517 The maiden, mother, and crone, as you know, is not Norse mythology. It’s pagan. These are the Norse version of the sisters of fate, in a different way that allows them access to see the future based on choices, but not directly influence it like the Greek sisters of fate can. MMM is a goddess of the moon, specifically it’s phases, and is used to represent three stages of life, but she as a god and it’s mythos have nothing to do with seeing or changing fate or the future. Their appearance is the similarly to the MMM because of its connection to time, nothing more.

@johngo3715

Жыл бұрын

Just realized these are the names of goddesses in Ah My Godess. 😂

This scene is pure art. Kratos's panic about Heimdall, Norn's sarcasm, Kratos's humiliation was close to Gary Oldman's performance in Leon for me.

@crowned2088

Жыл бұрын

It was but lowkey wanted kratos to kill them not gonna lie...can't stand pretentious people

@kaiman593

Жыл бұрын

@@crowned2088 do you even know what being pretentious mean?

@crowned2088

Жыл бұрын

@@kaiman593 ur saying they weren't being a bit lil pretentious?

@neardarkroad1347

Жыл бұрын

@@crowned2088 not that much of pretentious tbh. I know who is basically the dictionary example of pretentious, Heimdall.

@taddad2641

11 ай бұрын

@@crowned2088 is it pretentious when the words are meant to motivate them towards that new path? The norns were cruel cause they knew that this cruelty gave kratos that chance to move away from his nature. But of course it wasn't quite 'enough' even if it completely altered his destiny. They see allll paths and were right in their statement. "You will die, kratos of sparta." He did. His death began when he stayed his hand against Heimdall and his rattle came when he said 'open your heart to their suffering' to his son. A new man was born at that moment.

“He resists the urge to grunt” * Kratos grunts * “Oh, he fails” You have no idea how hard I laughed at that😂😂😂

@liamhamilton9086

Жыл бұрын

Freya telling Skuld to shut up was also a moment I found hilarious.

@expresseducator1511

Жыл бұрын

also you can hear the emotion as she says oh, he fails, its like a mother pampering her kid

@gregpl9363

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that one got me too, followed by that taunting laughter and the walk backwards 😂

@nathanielburkett9400

Жыл бұрын

I like to think of that as an early hint that fate, as a concept, doesn’t really exist for the Norse. That didn’t seem like patronization, but a little burst of glee that the prediction was defied. Their “fate” is defined by the choices everyone in a situation has proven they’ll take. If someone, or enough people, elect to be different, to choose something else against their natures, then they can defy fate.

@kakroom3407

Жыл бұрын

Kratos grunt is its own character

I love how it felt like they were breaking the fourth wall.

@saljpal3

Жыл бұрын

"You come to us piteous archetypes" 😂

@garybrown2039

Жыл бұрын

Speaking of which, i already typed this but, I you'll see something about these characters' dialog after reading this. The youngest speaks with the words of the characters like they are her own (like in first person). The oldest speaks directly to them as if she is the only one that can understand the concept of "you" when interacting with others (second person) . And the middle aged one speaks about the actions of the characters while addressing them, (third person).

@spiderham5514

Жыл бұрын

@@garybrown2039 woah

@peterfrank3365

Жыл бұрын

They're sort of sitting on top of the fourth wall. I actually re-wrote 'Thor: Love and Thunder' and included the Norns, and I had them portrayed a bit similar to this.

@aegolk

Жыл бұрын

@@garybrown2039 oh, yeah, thanks really. Now that I notice it, Norns here are even more interesting. Beautifully done.

This scene is so incredible. Not only is it a giant (no pun intended) writing joke, it's so deeply tied to the events that will unfold and have unfolded previously. In an interview with the game's narrative director, Matt Sophos, he says that during Ragnarok, Kratos defies his fate by following Faye's words and listening to his son, telling him to "open his heart to... the suffering of others." Not only is it a direct contrast to what he said in the raider camp in the previous game, it's what he himself has done since the previous God of War games, in learning to love Faye and Atreus. One of God of War Ragnarok's many themes, including fatalism vs free (seen in the scene) will and atonement for one's sins (paralleled from Kratos by Thor), is grief. Kratos continues to grieve Faye in this game, daresay more than in 2018, and it shows, but in his grief, he finds wisdom through Faye's words: "To grieve deeply is to have loved fully," and to pass that wisdom onto Atreus while understanding the truth of it himself in that moment is what allowed Kratos to defy fate once again. I believe that Kratos' true fate remained in Greece, and when he murdered the Fates, he became a fateless being. I believe that carries over into the nine realms, and how, in a dogmatic sense, he is able to defy fate once more. By all accounts, he should be dead. His character, as the Norns say, is to "kill gods." On paper, yeah. That's what he does. that's what the game is about; killing gods. Does it still happen? Absolutely. Fuck Heimdall, all my homies hate Heimdall. But that's not who he is by the end of the game. If what I said about Kratos being a fateless being is to be taken as true, then Kratos changes his character. Kratos will still kill gods, but that is not all his character anymore. Sophos said in an interview that Kratos, in this game, goes from being Kratos the Destroyer to Kratos the "Rebuilder," and that is what I believe his character is after Ragnarok, if there is to be a Nornic (I made that word up) description of him. I think his arc over the past two games of learning to love his son, and learning to love beyond Atreus (and to that extent, himself), is absolutely beautiful. I think about it all the time, and I seriously wonder where we will see the next game go. It's said this is the last Norse game, so I'm wondering what mythology we'll encounter next. I love stories where the protagonist has already gone through the metaphorical rebirth, and their character is tested against the sins of their past. I would adore to see Kratos travel to other lands in search of gods to aid him in rebuilding Greece, to continue God of War Ragnarok's theme of atonement for one's sins. What greater sin to atone for than to rebuild the LITERAL CIVILIZATION that he destroyed? Also, I don't know if this was intentional, but the Norn who speaks in script, Ver6andi says "Exeunt omnes," which is Latin for 'Exit all,' a stage direction. Ur6 calls Mimir 'Puck,' so I'm wondering if they're referencing Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream, and what the symbolism of equating Mimir to Puck would be. Anyone have a thought about that, please reply.

@spinmask7021

Жыл бұрын

Mimir secretly is Puck I think or something, right?

@jaredhamilton425

Жыл бұрын

Mimir is actually puck, they weren’t alluding or comparing him to anything, he was actually Puck before he came to Odin.

@SAMAKUS

Жыл бұрын

Mimir is Puck, as well as being the mind behind all of (or at least some) of Shakespeare’s plays.

@brimstoneclub

Жыл бұрын

Urd mentions storytelling, the second act in particular, so I like to think of it as a fourth wall break of sorts. If anything, the Norns felt like us, the players, questioning how this story will end with Kratos' character arc. At some point, it ALL has to end.

@galmoskovitch8522

Жыл бұрын

The norns are obviously inspired, if not directly taken as, the witches from Macbeth. But their role is subverted by the way Kratos approaches them and their prophecy, or more accurately them and the prophecy of the giants. In Macbeth the instigating incident is Macbeth meeting the witches, and every single action he takes is based on that prophecy. In Greek tragedies the characters always lead themselves to the fate they try to avoid. Kratos is preparing for the prophecy to come true by training Atreus to be independent, but he is not letting it dictate his actions. He reacts as he feels he should when a situation arises. Leaving Heimdall alive would have given Odin an advanced notice to the preparations against him, while also leaving someone that in the best circumstance, only Kratos was equipped to take care of, someone that would also be directly targeting Atreus. The point the norns make about using the archetypes of the characters in the game is also incredibly important. Odin is an archetype, he is literally called the all father, hence why the narrative twist of the giant prophecy worked, it was accurate, but technically so. Neil gaiman's Norse mythology takes a similar view on the characters, at the end Ragnarok happens, and all the gods set everything up to do it again. When you hear the story of Hercules or Jason the story will always end the same way, but people still repeat the stories again and again, if the gods are based on prayer and belief, what do the retelling of stories do to them? Even with the difference in focus, and style between retellings the core character must remain the same, no matter how many times you hear the story. An interesting note to add, is that despite being fortune tellers, or prophetic being none of them tell the future, Urd explains the meaning of their role more directly, but the other two read stage directions and lines, both being part of the present moment. Even the part where ver6andi says "exeunt Omnes," was repeating a past explanation or foretelling, not uttering a future event. When the norns say they can't see the future, they mean it

I enjoyed your story Kratos,pity it has to end so soon….. damn that actually gave me chills

@sir.cranberry9727

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of hermes

@comicalcosmonaut959

Жыл бұрын

Thank god Kratos survives

@applecatnyango

Жыл бұрын

It doubles as a self-dig as well, because the game development was rushed, resulting in fewer contents.

@rt_huxley9205

Жыл бұрын

So soon? 2005 to 2022 is like 17 years bro.

@olivier4916

Жыл бұрын

@@comicalcosmonaut959 yeah but he still gonna die Norns don’t lie

This scene by far was the most intimidated i have EVER seen Kratos, knowing the Norns didn't control fate but that they where simply predicting it and where also very spot on up to that point really almost must have made Kratos think his death was coming real soon.

@ThatBlackN3rd

Жыл бұрын

Well I mean he did,his old self "Kratos of sparda" did die.

@oratank

Жыл бұрын

it's fine he die like 3 times from the past game and already came back from helheim

@assassinsknight

Жыл бұрын

Kratos didn’t care about dying. At this point like his story to his son he practically he called the grim reaper every day. He was freaking out about Heimdall intending to kill his son.

@charlos1366

Жыл бұрын

@@oratank stabbed and the last try fell into the abyss

@charlos1366

Жыл бұрын

he who slay The God,Titan,Furies and even THe Sister of Fate will not be afraid of death

Just... Goosebumps. The reveal that there is no "omnipotent magic" That dictates fate, it's just the effortless predictions of characters whose personalities don't really change in regards to the consequences. The Norms laughing at Kratos as he is leaving is one of my favorite parts of the game so far. No matter how hard you try to change, even if you do, you will not fall far from your later.

@fearless3073

Жыл бұрын

I guess if you enjoy cliches.....* yawn*

@psychospeech6189

Жыл бұрын

@@fearless3073 "no fun allowed must be subversive"

@Darkros123

Жыл бұрын

There kinda was all powerful magic that controlled destiny, but they were killed back during GOW2

@SimonPetrikov12

Жыл бұрын

@@fearless3073 omnipotent magic is a cliche

@mandzph

Жыл бұрын

Goes back to that thing in philosophy (or was that a science thing?) that says nothing in this universe is really random. Everything is just reaction to another reaction, similar to how if you have enough understanding of physics in billiards then at the start of every game you can accurately predict where every single ball is going to be just based on how the player's stick strikes the cue ball. Makes you wonder if the norns basically said what they said to challenge them to be bigger than fate and defy it. Kinda like the Oracle in The Matrix. There's no grand design after all.

I do love that everything Urd and Verandi said came to pass. They never claimed that Heimdall was going to kill Atreus, simply that he intended to do so in Asgard. It's the belief that Heimdall was going to, and Kratos's nature to assume the worst, that lead him to attacking Heimdall; which results in Heimdall planning on killing Atreus when he returns to Asgard. So Kratos learns that Heimdall intended to kill Aretus then, which lead him to "do what he does best." and it triggered Ragnarok. Even the prophecy of Kratos's death can be seen at the end. They said "Kratos of Sparta" will die, and he did. The wrathful Godkiller died when he chose to not kill Thor or Odin. Kratos of Sparta would not have hesitated, but Kratos the Father of Atreus? Different story, different character.

@snowimayko659

Жыл бұрын

I notice there's a spelling error in the last paragraph of your sentence. It's 'Sparta' not 'Sparda'.

@velrzvertigo8215

4 ай бұрын

Ah yes Kratos of Sparda the devil hunter

@Vee_231

4 ай бұрын

@@velrzvertigo8215 Imagine if Sparda was Kratos all along.

@jaykishannair4132

Ай бұрын

If Sparda was Kratos it would be mother of all gameplay design breaker lol

These Norns represent my favorite type of character. It's a subset of the fourth-wall breaker that don't just openly acknowledge "I'm a character in a narrative"; instead they recognize that narratives and life reflect one another, and can point out and pick apart aspects of the story and its characters.

Kratos :”This isn’t the first time I’ve defeated fate, just ask your Greek counter parts, Oh wait you can’t.”

@newhybrid101

Жыл бұрын

He didnt change true fate,only the fate the gods tried to impose on him. He fullfiled the prochecy of destroying Olympus. The Fates are like the Ones from Star Wars,without them the Force still exists Kratos only changes Fate in GoW Ragnarok and thats debatable

@routeone4790

Жыл бұрын

would have been cool for him to say that.

@stephenthemaverick

Жыл бұрын

This actually proves them even more right. They’re not the same as the Sisters of fate. Firstly, it isn’t enough to do the opposite of an expected outcome to avoid it(Freya trying to protect Baldur from his death, Kratos not wanting to kill gods due to the fallout) when you don’t plan ahead(Baldur becomes resentful and gets killed, Kratos cannot hide forever and triggers ragnarok). Also, fate isn’t permanent but it also cannot be changed if you do nothing. For example, Kratos is merely reacting to events around him, making him angry and falling back to his old nature. On the other hand, Odin is continuously trying to guess the future and making decisions solely based on that without realising present problems remain unsolved. End of the day, the Norns are right that Kratos’ fate is sealed if he continues to be angry and vengeful with Asgard but foregoing the impact of his actions.

@mavvynne444

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenthemaverick Not really. Fates and destiny can be alter. Kratos has proven that many times in the previous games

@stephenthemaverick

Жыл бұрын

@@mavvynne444 Read the second line of what I wrote and try again

The Sisters of Fate simply control the Past, Present, and Future for the gods of Greece, while the Norns narrate the Past, Present and Future like a written book, predicting the outcome of how the story begins and ends, they even spoke in 1st person, 3rd person, and in quotes! Insane, yet surprisingly genius, I applaud at this.

@alvinnugraha5264

Жыл бұрын

Yup Norns are way more interesting than the fates... Well except that one hot fates... bruh haha

@amv1255

Жыл бұрын

"simply"? Looks like a much better feat to me.

@grimmy2313

Жыл бұрын

@@amv1255 I believe "simple" was a wrong word to say, understandable that they are powerful yet with all that control of time, they could've simply undo Kratos's existence themselves but can't since Zeus is the guy who calls the shots and deems what mortal or god to kill or punish and the Sisters make it so just like the Furies from GoW Ascension.

@affixrey419

Жыл бұрын

Well sister of fate more powerful than norms because the have power soo i prefer them😄

@raptorteam486

Жыл бұрын

I like the way the two parallel and contrast with each other. The Greek fates had literal power over the past and present, but just lost due to one angry man's invincible plot armor. The Norse Norns had no powers over anything, but leave the same guy with the literal "I'm-too-angry-so-I'll-break-with-space-and-time" shocked and powerless. In a way, a really nice progression of the franchise's evolution and direction.

As a long time God of War fan, this is the first time Kratos looked seriously rattled. Such a great scene from a great gaming company.

@plocky4275

Жыл бұрын

It's the particular take the Norns have about destiny what makes this whole scene so good. They outright deny it exists in the first place, something Kratos agrees as well. It all comes down to individual choices and the ability to change. That's why unlike the Sisters of Fate, Kratos wouldn't have been able to punch his way out of this one. The Norns are basically saying 2+2 is 4, even if you killed them, regardless of how angry you might be, 2+2 will still be 4. Brilliant scene overall, the Norns are pretty much the unfiltered narrative designers complaining about writing tropes.

@sebasfl.22

Жыл бұрын

i doubt he was rattled, he's dealt with way way worse lmao

@Leaps-xz3hg

Жыл бұрын

@@sebasfl.22 No, Kratos has never been rattled like this scene. The fact the norns told Kratos there is no prophecy and confirmed his beliefs. It rattled him in the sense that it exposes how predictable Kratos is and that his choices never changed. You can see for the first time self doubt in his future.

@gustavolara7953

Жыл бұрын

Dude, when they were mocking him and he just walked away was so fucking badass. I remember when he killed the old woman in GoW 3 after she mocked him. He’s really changed 😭

@Sentinel_007

Жыл бұрын

@@gustavolara7953 Lmao 😂 I was looking for a comment on him looking badass and pissed walking away as they laugh, good connection too

This is one of my favorite cutscenes in the whole game. I like how they reinforce the idea that Baldur was going to die even if we didn’t kill him since he wouldn’t stop pushing. Thor decided not to fight anymore and was killed by Odin and he dissolved right away. I feel like Thor was supposed to kill Kratos and since Thor changed his fate by deciding not to fight anymore, he was able to dissolve and go to a higher plane of existence like Athena.

@duke1986

Жыл бұрын

Yep, definitely agree with that. I also believe the rift that Odin was obsessed with was a gateway or path that leads to the higher plane of existence. Thor did redeem himself, I guess we will find out someday

@TheGoldenBungus

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean “cut”? This is in the game.

@duke1986

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGoldenBungus I think he meant that as one word

@conormcstretcher

Жыл бұрын

Thor was defeated at the end marvel fanboi

@verchiel_8295

Жыл бұрын

@@conormcstretcher ?

I like the fates of these lands. they are actually quite wise and humble. even as fates, they dont really believe in destiny and pretend to truly know everything. considering they didn't try to murder him, they are actually quite nice.

@lokifenris8133

Жыл бұрын

Fucking creepy how one of them spoke alongside Kratos and Freya

@josueztheiii9089

Жыл бұрын

Humble? They seemed arrogant just less violent then the fates of acsension

@thomasdeen2099

Жыл бұрын

@@josueztheiii9089 werent those the furies? the fates in gow appeared in gow 2

@riohudson9612

Жыл бұрын

@@josueztheiii9089 That's what I thought too, but then I realized: If you had to live most of your life, said life being eons upon eons long, knowing exactly what everyone is going to say or do because they're so predictable and therefore unable to have a proper unique interaction with anyone except two other people who are your siblings, you'd probably go insane. The only other alternative? Poke a little fun at the people you're predicting.

@tanaka173

Жыл бұрын

@@josueztheiii9089 At some point you get tired of people being people. It's like if you spent 10 000 years telling people not to touch fire and watching them do it. At some point you have to choose; either be a crazy frustrated madman desperately trying to convince people that touching fire is bad, or you laugh and simply watch the fireworks because you can do nothing else.

I just realized something about these characters. The youngest speaks with the words of the characters like they are her own (like in first person). The oldest speaks directly to them as if she is the only one that can understand the concept of "you" when interacting with others (second person) . And the middle aged one speaks about the actions of the characters while addressing them, (third person). I guess that is what happens when you have access to the script of your own game.

@Rythmguitarable

Жыл бұрын

in mythology Urd represent past, Verdandy is the present and Skuld the future

@CBRN-115

Жыл бұрын

Man this is some Shakespearean stuff

@cloberlobster2276

Жыл бұрын

@@Rythmguitarable I think it's the other way around, since skuld is the youngest. Well I don't know.

@Rozwarty

Жыл бұрын

@@cloberlobster2276 Their names give it away. Urðr means "Fate", she knows all that happened. Verðandi literally means "happening", so she's all-knowing about the present. Skuld is cognate with English "Should", she knows the future.

I don't know what i mean by this but this scene made it feel like i was reading a book, and it already is telling me the end of it even though i am at the start. The end is terrible and the signs are there, but the pages will not or cannot stop turning. love this scene.

@marcusmelvin6572

Жыл бұрын

Underrated comment. If you feel as if you’re reading a book, Rewatch this scene after you realize that one Norn only speaks in 3rd person (narrator of a “story”), one speaks in 1st Person (like the actress engaging with Kratos and Freya inside that story), then one Norn who speaks only quotes, supporting the futility of trying to change the story. See what the writers of the game subconsciously gave the player the vibe of a book? The Norns are mysterious yet unbiased and riddle-like. So clever 🧠🎯

@printezstroman

Жыл бұрын

If I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly, you get the point without understanding it. That's not a shot at you because they're being direct while needlessly using metaphors. Kratos himself is struggling with it and he's one of the more intelligent characters maybe 3rd behind Mimir and Odin.

As the camera gets closer to his face, it darkens and then reveal his expression. He is clearly supressing that younger Kratos, and it takes so much effort. Very good “editing and design

@zaer-ezart

Жыл бұрын

I really thought he was gonna turn around and just axe one in the face

I love how they don't represent past, present and future. Rather they represent Thoughts, Actions and Speech. Wyrd speaks the thoughts, Verdandi speaks the actions and Skuld says the sentences. They all see past present and future as did, will and might.

@Dr.Meme-Man

Жыл бұрын

That’s why they say “there’s no such thing as destiny”. They just know all the people of the nine realms so deeply that they can “predict” what happens next. Of course. We now know that they were wrong about Kratos dying.

@thesherlockhokage3046

Жыл бұрын

@@Dr.Meme-Man They didn't say Kratos will die. Just Kratos of Sparta. Which is right. The prophecy shows the old Kratos dieing and a new Kratos guilt free emerging. So no Kratos of Sparta anymore.

@Dr.Meme-Man

Жыл бұрын

@@thesherlockhokage3046 that seems…..kind of disrespectful to his heritage. I mean, he holds great respect for the Spartans even after he destroys Olympus. Heck, if it wasn’t for his heritage, he wouldn’t have named his son Atreus. And let’s not forget about the last spartan soldier who said “the Spartans shall live on through you” in GOW2

@thesherlockhokage3046

Жыл бұрын

@@Dr.Meme-Man What they meant is the Kratos with his past self. He found true peace and the God Killer guilty Kratos is truely no more. As they said too, you are the sum of your choices, so his past lead him to his present.

@twodogsandadingo3331

Жыл бұрын

@@Dr.Meme-Man tbf Kratos will DIE just not rn. The "Soon" bit is very very very Subjective for a God.

"You will die Kratos of Sparta." I think they meant two things. The 'past' Kratos dies or this Kratos dies, depends on what path will Kratos walks.

@ethanabrahams1852

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter he'll just climb himself out back to life

@Noctazar

Жыл бұрын

That's a pretty cool interpretation, never thought about it this way.

@nahuel_lopez_20

Жыл бұрын

It was definitely "the past kratos"

@lemnioaz3854

Жыл бұрын

You will die Kratos of sparta references how Kratos is gonna lose his inner rage and bloodlust to meet peace. The ghost of sparta, Kratos of sparta will die allowing for a peaceful Kratos to come to life.

@neutralplayeroflol5722

Жыл бұрын

I think they're right, Kratos of Sparta died, but the Kratos of Midgard will live

This scene with the Norns was done flawlessly. It was a 10 out of 10, Bravo to the entire cast, just plain masterful work.

@kaibaskywalker2725

11 ай бұрын

Lol more power too you for liking this dump

@NirodimosNeedAKing

7 ай бұрын

​@@kaibaskywalker2725hahahahahahaahahahaha this "dunp" is light years better Than starfield

@band0945

16 күн бұрын

@@kaibaskywalker2725lmaoo sounds like an Xbox player

this is by far the most interesting take on fate and prophecy i have ever seen. The sisters of fate in geek mythology were consumed by power and were so easily fooled by Kratos. Here, Kratos is speechless. The norms were the most “in your face” and honest about their intentions. I believe this depiction of fate fits well with our real life depiction of fate. “You are the sum of your choices and nothing more.” They based their fate through the actions of others and their so good at reading peoples characters and motivations that it almost feels like fate to the gods, especially Odin who saw ragnarok as unavoidable because he refused to change.

@cookingwithkratos

Жыл бұрын

YES

@michaelblower7363

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. All prophecy does is highlight possibilities based on certain sequences of actions and repercussions. I suppose the only way to change fate is to change yourself.

@derradarubell-asbell3948

Жыл бұрын

Also, remember, Faye reminded Kratos that “We are not our failures.” I assume she’s regarding to his past and him feeling as if that will forever define who he is, though, that is far from the case.

@andreasottohansen7338

5 ай бұрын

I love that, in another conversation, Mimir and Freya expressed shock at the power the Fates held when Kratos talks about him. and yet, despite his capable handling of them, the older and wiser Kratos is completely helpless before the Norns.

@Walker733

4 ай бұрын

True. It really is the most fascinating take on fate yet.

This was done perfectly, as the music kicks in as she tells Kratos he will do what he does best( demolishing everyones ass) ,walking out with Freya. As the scene ends you begin to fear for Kratos

@yudhazacharias9377

Жыл бұрын

What is the title of the music anyway?

@yudhazacharias9377

Жыл бұрын

So our two protagonists survived, but why do the Norns said differently?

@Twonine2990

Жыл бұрын

@@yudhazacharias9377 its called ragnarok by bear mccreary

@Twonine2990

Жыл бұрын

@@yudhazacharias9377 Well they said they are only the sum of their choices nothing more, that there is no script. It wasn’t the first time Kratos changed his fate, Kratos chose a path different to what the Norns had in mind

@Tays4m

Жыл бұрын

agreed 100%

"I enjoyed your story kratos, pity it has to end so soon" massive goosebumps 👏

@thesherlockhokage3046

Жыл бұрын

And Kratos died. They were right.

@abneraranivar346

Жыл бұрын

@@thesherlockhokage3046 Rip The Ghost of Sparta. All hail The All Father.

The music in this scene was just BEAUTIFUL, ok point, you get to feel the tension and fear of Kratos. Bravo Santa Monica!

@3rooklyn

Жыл бұрын

It made buy the whole damn soundtrack lol

@helheim000

Жыл бұрын

What's the name of it?

@yarapah

Жыл бұрын

@@helheim000 that particular song is called “Ragnarok”

4:05 - The sophisticated version of "Does he want a cookie?"

Funny thing is Kratos thought fate said Heimdall will kill Atreus. But The Norns just tell him Heimdall's intention. Kratos missed a point

@anselmopat4985

Жыл бұрын

I just fucking realized 💀💀

@rook3364

Жыл бұрын

So kratos killed heimdall I played the game lol

@TheSimmr001

Жыл бұрын

and the intent is only their because kratos put it in his head. heimdall at that point just wanted to belittle loki, not to kill him.

@joaomagalhaes7712

Жыл бұрын

I didnt get it. Can you explain it?

@user-ff6dl9zr7u

Жыл бұрын

@@joaomagalhaes7712 Norns aren't telling you're future, only most possible outcomes.

Am I the only one who got chills when the background music was playing as they were leaving?

@galibneion6973

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@jackdeguzman274

Жыл бұрын

Your not alone BOY

@spiritedback

Жыл бұрын

NO BOYY!!

@hooshoof714

Жыл бұрын

Nope. It was so profound I had keep replaying the part over and over

@imperatorxiii8643

Жыл бұрын

Song is Ragnarok

The pure rage in his eyes as they walk away. They have given him no reason to kill them and Kratos always does his best to "be better". But at the moment I fully thought he would star yelling. I never thought he would attack them, but by the end of it I thought he would scream about their words being powerless. Just seeing him walk away cast through darkness and seeing the tenseness of his face as he holds everything he wants to say/do in is so freaking awesome.

@girl1213

Жыл бұрын

Because he knows they are *right*. They are not like Clotho, Lahkesis, and Atropos. They are simply telling him truths he has always known but does not want to accept. He hasn't changed in any meaningful way: he is simply feeling different about the way he is. He is still the same man he was in Greece.

@fissilewhistle

Жыл бұрын

@@girl1213 To say Kratos is the same man as he was in Greece is actually insane. Even by this point in the story he’s almost a completely different character than the old Kratos.

@jessicafasi12

Жыл бұрын

@@fissilewhistle yeah but at this point of the game his core is the same,violence and death is what he brings for is own selfish desires,and in a way they were right till the end

@JulianCedar

Жыл бұрын

I won't lie, I still wanted them dead for being so condescending

@JimmyBoy9878

Жыл бұрын

@@jessicafasi12 when he killed baldur, it was not selfish.

“He resists the urge to grunt.” *Kratos grunts* “Oh, he fails.”

It's a nice touch that Urd had called Mimir by his true name, Puck, as it was speculated in the first game that he resembles the character in question from Shakespeare's 'A Midsummer Night's Dream'.

@Jpx0999

Жыл бұрын

Explain I don't read shakespeares

@youraverageguy4930

Жыл бұрын

@@Jpx0999 Mimir mentioned that Kratos isn't the first nor the only god/deity that ran away from their homeland to "go further north and start a new life" and that "(doing it) enough times would have you end up in the Nine Realms". It's hinted through dialogues that Mimir was originally a deity from around western Europe - specifically Britain/Scotland (which kinda explains his Scottish accent). Puck (Mimir's alleged real name) was a trickster that worked for Oberon the Fairy King, and the trials thrown at the trio (Kratos, Mimir and Freya) before facing the Norns had them face their past regrets and their guilt. Mimir's trial had him face Sigrun - his former lover from the Valkyries who he felt guilty for not being able to help, and her illusion confronted Mimir about not being able to help his friends, including Titania, the Fairy Queen and Oberon's wife.

@brandonwithnell612

Жыл бұрын

@@youraverageguy4930 also i noticed he mentions a few scotish stories during the frst visit to svartilfiem, most notable macbeth

@LaughableSynonyms

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonwithnell612 Aaand the Kelpie water horse is from Scottish myth. Mimic even says "Back in my land..." proving he's from the British Isles.

@lyleschlegel3184

Жыл бұрын

He also mentions Nimue, the lady of the lake, later on. Ngl fairy tale England could be a dope god of war spin off setting. Especially if we get fairies

This portrayal of how much power one can hold just by knowing things about others is absolutely terryfying. It shows how being extremely knowlegable can be intimidating on its own. It's also a nice parallel to Odin - this is how knowledgable he wants himself to be.

@Replied_ByMeatr1der5

Жыл бұрын

They're like scientists of the psyche and that makes them more ominous than the Fates who had an agenda and thus were included in the predictable group of people

@mr.jamrob4505

Жыл бұрын

They are only good as scarring people with basic predictions At the end of the day they just come off as some druggies living off in the boonies

@CarlTheFourth

Жыл бұрын

Just watch a Nardwuar interview for confirmation of this in the real world haha

@Readasaur

Жыл бұрын

You know Odin confronted them at one point and refused their counsel. He wants their power, but can't accept their truth even when they spell it out for him

The drop at 4:24 makes me shiver, goosebumps really! I can feel the despair, confusion, and paranoia of the characters.

@averyangrygringo6440

4 ай бұрын

Yes Its awesome, It was also the song they used for the trailer of the game

@saivivekm.v2411

3 ай бұрын

The Ragnarok music ❤❤❤

Sisters of Fate: Boobs and magic time-travel mirror thingy The Norns: PhD in Psychology

@elviraweekes3906

Жыл бұрын

Low-key I would like the Norns to be my teacher in psychology. Just imagine you can tell your friend their entire fate and, everything that’s about to happen to them in the future.🤣

@weik-2936

4 ай бұрын

it really is amazing how the GOW franchise has matured

The motif of “the past predicting the future” is old school but one of the best lessons in the school. They’re basically saying “look at what you’ve done, and you can already can tell what you’re going to do next”. Thus the only way to change your predicted fate is to break the cycle you created for yourself

Maybe I’m overthinking this but I like to believe this was the moment that Freya fully forgave Kratos for killing Baldur. It’d be one thing to hate him for fulfilling a prophecy you tried desperately to stop but it’s another to be told by the literal authority on fate and destiny that neither exist and that everything that happened from Baldur’s suffering to Krato eventually killing him was ultimately because of your actions. She basically got the “Here’s the reason you suck and was wrong” speech and I loved every moment of it😂

@yarapah

Жыл бұрын

“But Baldur’s fate had many causes, prophecy among them”

One of the best scenes in video game history.

@enternamehere142

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@TheTGOAC

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@HanyaPanya444

Жыл бұрын

Other commenters resists the urge to say agreed

@Nhatnguyen-kd6kc

Жыл бұрын

@@HanyaPanya444 Im so proud of this community

@TheTGOAC

Жыл бұрын

@God Incarnate agreed

This moment was so unsettling. I really enjoyed this part. I can't believe how good this game is.

“ You come Seeking freedom from your scripts, as if knowing the lines would grant you the power to rewrite them “ That line stuck with me for some reason.

4:57 I love how when Uro says ‘I enjoyed your story Kratos’, the theme of his story and character appears in the music, mixed in with the theme of Ragnarok, because his story and existence is in danger.

The line "I enjoyed your story Kratos, pity it had to end so soon" is the most haunting line in the entire game for me. It was delivered so well. GoW series will always be my favorite

@diamondjoemazing

10 ай бұрын

...but it doesn't end there. So she's lying.

@VegetaLF7

9 ай бұрын

It would have, had Kratos not changed his ways. She wasn't lying.@@diamondjoemazing

@weik-2936

4 ай бұрын

also clever wording "end" does not necessarily mean death, as I see many people in comments assume that's what she meant (and that therefore she's lying/wrong) the end she referred to could merely refer to the end of THIS story, THIS chapter of Kratos' life, or perhaps more accurately, the end of THIS version of Kratos Kratos changed, he made different choices, he became a new man, a new god (further shown with the Valhalla dlc), and thus, the story "ended", the old Kratos is no more

I love how straightforward they are, not being vague or speaking in riddles . There's really no "fate" or "Destiny" more of people doing the exact same thing all the time. If a violent person does violent things is it really going to be surprising that something violent will happen?

This scene had no right being as good as it was. Definitely going to be one of the more under appreciated ones in the future.

@desesperadoorson

Жыл бұрын

I just wake up of the sofa, speechless, my jaw on the floor. One of my favourite moments of all saga ❤

@Cremig

Жыл бұрын

"more of the under appreciated ones in the future" where tf do you know that - right now everyone loves it.

0:58 Love this callback to the Poseidon boss fight 😁😁😁

@beastak2.081

Жыл бұрын

*boss in ghost of Sparta

@SleepySloth2705

Жыл бұрын

@@beastak2.081 That was Scylla

@Sp4rtanRage

Жыл бұрын

From gow 3, yes?

@Sun_God_Nika1010

Жыл бұрын

@@beastak2.081 geez go play God of war again back from the start

@beastak2.081

Жыл бұрын

@@Sun_God_Nika1010 Kratos is talking about a monster Aswell, it could be that hydra

I love this interpretation of the Norns. They're not magic, or all knowing in any way. Theyre just extremely clever. They see the choices they have all made, and just say what will happen based on that. Its not prophecy, its just prediction. Theyre just usually right, so people see them as all knowing.

They basically told Kratos the way to Chang your fate is to make choices you wouldn’t normally make. The reason Kratos didn’t die to Thor is because he changed his fate by telling Atreus to Open his heart to other peoples suffering.. and he spared Thor in the final fight instead of killing him

@SpottedHares

Жыл бұрын

He tried to do that with Heimdall, but with Thor he learned that it takes more then defeating your enemy and sparing them which was his mistake with Heimdall. He made a connection with Thor and implored him to change, not for his sake but for the sake of his family and where just sparing Hemidall failed connecting with Thor worked.

@mysteryace2129

Жыл бұрын

I think the original script of his death is Kratos and Thor duking it out with full bloodlust in both. Thrudd gets caught into the mess(When Kratos gets the upper hand on Thor) which pushes Atreus to act against his father by imploring him to stand down from killing Thor since Thrudd is in the way. This hesitation by Kratos creates an Opening for Odin to attack and kill Kratos or weaken him as Thor gets the killing blow whichever one. This leads to Atreus crying in not only seeing his father's death but being the root cause of it. A pain that would spawn into hatred/resentment as he waits till adulthood in which he takes his revenge on Odin and Thor. Kratos changed this by connecting with Thor as they are both fathers and no longer the weapons of war that they both regret being. It was always unsettling to me on how fast Odin got into the battlefield when he decided not to fight Kratos no more and then soon after Thrud also makes it there. The setup was there for Kratos downfall to come at the hands of those two.

@snowimayko659

Жыл бұрын

@@mysteryace2129 actually according to one of the sections of the ‘Ragnarok’ wikia page of this game, Kratos gets killed by Thor after his head was smashed in from a battle where they unleashed their rage on each other. However, the raw power of Kratos’ rage became difficult for him to handle which lead to his demise at Thor’s hand. Thor did this out of revenge after knowing both Thrud and Sif were killed alongside the Midgardians. Atreus comes to his side and cries for him as how it was shown in the murals in the ending of GOW4 then later he gets killed by Heimdall in the end. Im uncertain if this is truly how it could have played out, but I think yours would have made most sense.

@dboslice

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. Here I thought that Kratos "death" was during his first battle with Thor. If Thor never brought him back to life, then Ragnarok could have been prevented and Atreus would have joined Odin right then and there lol😅. However, even then Kratos wouldn't have went out like that. He would have escaped Hell (again) and killed them anyway. Tbh, I was kinda hoping for that in this game, as a memory lane type of thing, but it's ok. No permanent damage!

@synnamon_toast_crunch

Жыл бұрын

​@@snowimayko659 I'm⁰

I like how the Norns explain the concept of ‘destiny.’ That through the actions and inactions of a individual, predicts the destiny of that certain individual. That in reality there’s really ain’t no such thing as ‘destiny’ only choice. This is wisdom even the great Sadhguru would agree upon. 😁

@voratittchunharuckchot9711

Жыл бұрын

Everyone can make they own choice and yet the choices they make is so predictable that the Norns seem like omniscience. I like that because it contradict nothing to the grand scheme of the game story. Kratos is right to not believe in fate, Atreus is right that Kratos will die if he did nothing, Odin is right that he can survive Ragnarok. But in the end, it is the choices they make that eventually lead them to the fate they seek to avoid. So I know Kratos will survive if he can change himself and make a different choice that he normally wouldn't make.

@90CJk

Жыл бұрын

They have power of Foresight as most or all Giants have. Unless they aren’t Giants like in myth. But they explained the Foresight is basically like just guessing and that most are so predictable in their choices they seem to know what is going to happen.

@mavvynne444

Жыл бұрын

@@90CJk But that foresight still couldn't predict Kratos's fate because he has transcend both space and time

@CaptainPilipinas

Жыл бұрын

oh I'm sure there is... Two Major 'destinies'. and some 'Free Will' Choices. balanced. at times together.

@90CJk

Жыл бұрын

@@mavvynne444 I interpreted it as the Grand Design or Script is that there is no Grand Design or Script. That it’s like the old argument what is the meaning of life. One interpretation is life has no meaning. That in that is infinite possibilities. The Norns can foresee the future but as they can see and predict as most are very predictable it’s seems like they know all of destiny. Also it could also mean that any foresight lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy as a simple course of chain reaction not absolute destiny. So that is why the Norns don’t tell him what to do only what he most likely will do. It goes with the theme of the game. Wisdom. Greek was Vengeance Norse was Wisdom. As Odin craves it. Loki too but not to Odin’s degree. The Jotnar have great wisdom from their foresight.

Got goosebumps when she said "Ragnarok" and music starts

@mobi2981

Жыл бұрын

same, that song sounds so familiar too somehow

@bro-be3bd

Жыл бұрын

@@mobi2981 Because it's the music from the opening of the Story Trailer.

@Idontknow-ji2xr

Жыл бұрын

Also the name of the soundtrack that plays is also called "Ragnarok"

@mobi2981

Жыл бұрын

@@bro-be3bd ahh ok thanks, it was really good lmao

The Greek Fates-They control the destinies of all things. The Norse Fates-They foresee the choices of all things.

This scene is why this deserves to win GOTY. The quality of acting and writing is amazing!

@LegendaryDarkKnight602

Жыл бұрын

This and the Mafia boss meeting.

@majorasmask5523

10 ай бұрын

Elden Ring won. Rightfully so.

@Dwi45722

5 ай бұрын

As much as I love God of war ragnarok elden ring is my favourite game ever it deserved it bit gow ragnarok is my 2nd favourite game

@VenomShotYou

4 ай бұрын

@@majorasmask5523 Overrated

This scence has no right to be this good , to be honest

@pilotboy2840

Жыл бұрын

Fr the norns gave such a creepy vibe and the music at the end just gave me chills and knowing what happens with Kratos' fate at the end of the game just makes this scene even better

@thesherlockhokage3046

Жыл бұрын

@@pilotboy2840 They were right.

Norns are three giantess sisters who keep the Yggdrassil nourished using the water from their well. They are Urd, Verdandi, and Skuld. They are known to predict Tragic Event and oversee the history of a Person. Urd is the older sister and recalled some Past Events, Verdandi is the middle sister and Narrate the Presents, and Skuld is the younhlger sister and guessing about Future conversation.

The Norns defeated him without a single blow. Incredible. When watching this scene you just knew Kratos couldn't do absolutely anything to them.

As a fan of fun writing, one of the things that I love about the Norns in this game on a meta level is that not only do they represent the three aspects of time (Future, Present, Past) and the three stages of life (the maiden, the mother, and the matron), but here they also represent the three "person perspectives" of writing: first person, second person, and third person. Skuld: as first person speaks from the perspective Kratos, Mimir, and Freya respectively. Verdandi: dictates what the viewer/reader sees as it unfolds. Urd: speaks from the outside perspective. Which is ironically why she seems to speak the most "plain" out of the three because GoW:R is a third person style narrative, so she's the one who "fits in" the most with the other characters in this world.

So, destiny exists, not because it's preordained, but because people are predictable and refuse to change. That's kinda neat actually.

Imagine being so precise with your anticipations, that you can parrot the exact thing someone says, while he or she says it. Scary shit. And I love what they've done here: The whole God of War series is a lineup of self-fulfilling prophecies. From Odin trying to prevent Ragnarok, all the way to the Gods of Olympus trying to stop 'The Marked Warrior'. In fact it all started with Chronos eating his children after he learned from prophecy that they would overthrow him.

@motepral34

Жыл бұрын

"In fact it all started with Chronos", its Cronos, not Chronos...different characters

@christianmets6233

Жыл бұрын

@@motepral34 You forgot to say: "Ackchyually"

@observer2484

Жыл бұрын

@@christianmets6233 "Actually"

This has no right to be this good. Best scene I've ever seen in any media. Bravo! Whoever wrote this scene needs to be directing something like rings of power.

@mit6089

Жыл бұрын

U reaching

I love that mimir is the only one who actually gets something from the Norns. Kratos and fraya just miss the point but mimir gets the Norns to admit that there is no destiny. In actual Norse mythology, mimir is like an equivalent being to the Norns. the roots of Yggdrasil go into three ancient springs of wisdom. The Norns are the guardians of one of the three springs, and mimir is the guardian of one too. Even better, mimir guarded it alone. it takes three Norns to guard one spring, but only one mimir So the springs of Yggdrasil, the source of the Norns knowledge, wisdom, and prescience. Mimir felt it too.

This is the best scene in the game. The writing is just stellar.

“Focusing on the second act to the exclusion of the final.” I see they’ve read Attack On Titan as well.

@X23Ninja

Жыл бұрын

I dont get it what does that mean?

@rawrawkawchaw

Жыл бұрын

@@X23Ninja Erin ain't the main protagonist.

@Philthorn

Жыл бұрын

@@rawrawkawchaw then who do you think it is smarty pants............ mikasa, armin, levi, who

@LiquidChamploo

Жыл бұрын

@@Philthorn supposedly it was Mikasa the whole time, It was stated that everything Ymir did was for her sake somehow? just a mess

@Philthorn

Жыл бұрын

@@LiquidChamploo truly a messy and rushed situation

Might be my favorite scene in the game. From the music when Kratos walks away from the Norns, his facial expression (and Freya's) while he's walking away, that silent slow walk of defiance yet concern while the Norns taunt and laugh sinisterly with their eyes glowing in the light. You can feel the weight of the future weighing on them. Masterfully done.

So this whole scene was basically the norns saying, "We can't actually see the future, you guys are just predictable."

This was one of the coolest, most bone-chilling scenes in the game. Love the acting and environment, so blown away by it all.

@afrofree4950

Жыл бұрын

Objectively at least a 9/10 scene

Ragnarok was a repeat scenario of Kratos' destruction of Olympus. More than once we've seen Kratos die because of the choices he made in life in the previous installments. At the end of GOW 3 he even tries to effectively kill himself. It's only in these two games that he actively makes different decisions, where he chooses to be better, that things change and as a result forges a more fulfilling path in life.

i love how they addressed the fortune tells paradox when it comes to determinism. "Even if we tell you exactly your fate, or lie to you, or tell you nothing you will still come it it because you have already made your choice and you wont stop making them. Because we all make choice but in the end our choices make us."

@RandomKai27

9 ай бұрын

In the Matrix Reloaded the Oracle says something like, "You've already made the choice. You just came to me to understand WHY you made it" and its really starting to click now.

Kratos: "Fate is another lie told by the gods, nothing is written that cannot be unwritten" 🔥🙏

This scene was insanely well done.

Funny thing is I'm sure the Norns only acted this way to spur Kratos to change his ways.

The score when she says “ragnorok” hits different. It also plays in the final act when we enter Asgard . What’s so amazing about it is here it kinda feels like what a massive event ragnorok is and for the latter above it shows death and destruction. This is why a god tier story needs god tier music for it to work.

I absolutely love this unique view of fate and nature. I really hope more media and writers gets inspired by this

I love how they portrayed the Norns, makes the deaths of the Fates in Greece more impactful since this means that Kratos managed to defy what the Fates thought he would be doing

@Outside85

Жыл бұрын

Actually he later retells that story in a manner that made one of the Fates appear not to be able to clearly see her own vision. She foretold the destruction of Olympus by the God of War, so she got involved with Kratos, and failed to spot the possibility of Kratos taking up the mantle of GoW and later goes on to destroy Olympus. So he didn't actually defy what was foretold back then either, the Norns just point out it ends this way because Kratos has a very limited set of tools when it comes to these kinds of problems.

@acidmana6141

Жыл бұрын

Sisters of Fate, like Kratos insinuates, are corrupted by their own vision.

@Readasaur

Жыл бұрын

The Fates try to control him and he defies and defeats them. The Norns just guess based on past behavior and he can only walk away.

@ClearLoki

Жыл бұрын

​@@Outside85 This is actually a reference to what happens in god of war ascension If i AM not mistaken

I’ve rewatched this scene so many times since finishing the game I’m obsessed

@wafflepiepancake

Жыл бұрын

Same actually, this is such a fantastic scene and stuck in my head in a terrifying-obsession way

3 ай бұрын

You're not the only one, trust me...

I love how for one of the Norns, they literally just had them reading the script. It really shows just how... external they are to the rest of the characters.

These Norns remind me of the Morrigan from Celtic pantheon in a sense. They both are represented by three members, one representing past(old), present(mature), and future(young). Only difference really is their primary duties. Norns are not malicious beings, just blunt with their foresight. The Morrigan, on the other hand, is seen more as the warring set and tend to favor sides in battle. It would be cool to see that fight.

@midnightblue3285

Жыл бұрын

As I know morrigan have 3 childs but morrigan at the other hand as a warrior goddess archetype, but one of her side some of the stories in the myths are saying a banshee, She doesn't have the 3 aspects, and plus the pantheons are always looks young, there is no old age crone, this was created by the christians religious people, how the people consciounss see the spirits they will appear to the people with that age, maybe you think 3 child of the morrigans are morrigans personality rather then a seperate 3 of her childs, maybe some people think like that becose of that some peope maybe tie the energy of 3 childs as a morrigan 3 personalities

This has to be my favorite cutscene in the game, so good.

@4:23 everything became epic. Scene, music, emotions... this is the best video game story of the year hands down!

Why Joseph Joestar’s enemies get so annoyed fighting him. Also, at this point in the game, I remember audibly yelling “This is still Act 1?!” when the Norms revealed Act 2 was going to begin.

“Focusing on the second act to the exclusion of the final” is how I feel about the story of this game was developed

"Exeunt Omnes", latin for "all leave", in theater to indicate an actor's leave from the stage, fitting, the final act approaches, the stage is set, and the King of Ghost White prepares to face The King of Raven Black, all the pieces are in place for the final curtain call. Φάντασμα της Σπάρτης vs. Draugadróttinn.

The Norns be like Joseph Joestar: Norns: Your next line will be ' I will not be bound by the chains of fate no longer.' Kratos: '"I will not be bound by the chains of fate no longer-NANI?!?"

When Urd talks about Heimdall, she says "Because your choices never change, you *will* learn that Heimdall intends to kill your son in Asgard." At that point, Heimdall has no intention to kill him since he's under Odin's protection. Heimdall only wants to kill Atreus *AFTER* Kratos almost murders him with the Draupnir Spear and demands that Atreus not be harmed. What a clever bit of writing god the writing in this game is so good

@mariean3823

Жыл бұрын

Kratos took the bait