This video is the BEST. Finally someone just talks about the good and bad of BOTH sides.

Tiger got about 500 WGR Points for finishing nearly last in a hand picked 20 person field with no cut! WTF WGR Points people. Get real.

@coobay4786

7 ай бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if Tiger's new video league gets world ranking points while LIV is told non for you.🙉

Excellent insight as always! Thanks guys, always enjoyable.

Finally.... Someone with a good vision of what LIV is trying to achieve. 👍

You two are such a minority. Brilliant analysis and clear open minded thinking from old school legends. 👍

You guys NAILED it.

The "Old Guys" actually get it when everyone else doesn't.

oh wow great show

Let's get the MONEY out of the way it's an issue and there's bunch of it. I think you can have both and have fun all at the same time. You simply need to move the old stinking thinking out of the PGA. There are so many way's to make the competitive part of golf and also make it fun at the same time. You already have the MAJORS to protect the integrity of the game so there are no issues there. Anyway would love to be in those meetings there's some crazy good stuff that can be done to help the game.

Hey guys, excellent vid. Really liked the notion of having the LIV players go play at national events such as the Aussie Open, NZ open, etc. Not only could Ripper promote their brand at LIV events, but also at national titles. Makes sense to incorporate a cut in each event so that LIV players can be included into the WGR system. I believe LIV has surpassed the PGA in so many ways, whilst keeping in mind there are more top players to come across. Go LIV !!

Good commentary men, LIV vs PGA.

LIV will rule outside the US

LIV will be the elite world tour sooner than later.

Not many yrs ago there were ONLY 4 content providing networks (abc, nbc, cbs, fox - understanding espn & cable being limited)…And now, we have a billion content providers - the internet, streaming, social media, KZread, TikTok, etc etc. More content is diluting (devaluing) past/current & future content. Extremely challenging.

THE EPISODES WERE ALMOST AN HOUR??????????????????????? THIS LIV TOPIC ALONE WITH THESE 2 LEGENDS NEEDS 3 HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I guess Greg Norman wasnt so angry but more of a brilliant businessman....wow

LIV could easily institute a cut line where players below that line are excluded from the individual competition but still complete play for the team. It seems pretty easy from where I sit. They can also add twice as many players by playing a morning flight and afternoon flight, the only negative affect would be spreading out the purse by that many more players.

@1362pc

7 ай бұрын

Damn cuts..moronic PGAT fanatics are obsessed by cuts

Legacy is a slice of history PGA tour created history and now they will be history

Really should tell the spray paint story.

There will be a "world tour" as the solution to the manufactured problem. It will be about 75 player fields in no-cut events with very large purses. It will be about 8 to 14 events hosted around the world. The PGA Tour, PIF, Dubai Ports World Tour, and other equity partners will own the for-profit "world tour." There will be a team component to the new "world tour." The team will be owned. The PGA Tour will largely host players 75 and above and will merge with Korn Ferry Tour in large part. Dubai Ports World Tour will be the "Korn Ferry" type tour for golfers in Europe and the rest of the world who don't want to play on the PGA Tour.

If the lack of cut on LIV is the sticking point for OWGR points - then why does the Tiger's Hero Challenge with 20 players and no cut get significant OWGR points. Why do the no cut signature events get OWGR points. The hypocrisy is stunning - the collusion between the majors, PGA Tour and OWGR Committee is so obvious for all to see. If LIV don't want a cut, why can't the OWGR simply say that points will be given to the (pick a number) top 30 of the 48 finishers, the rest get no points. I agree with Phil, the aim of the OWGR is to find a way to rank all professional golf competitions, not simply dictate how they should compete to get points - that is the tail wagging the dog.

Red Bull Team -Rahm's team

LIV is the future of golf but they have a math problem that needs to be addressed. Four man teams, while playing threesomes in a shotgun start means the max they can put on the course is 54 (18 x 3). But 54 is not divisible by 4. So 52 is the top number = 13 teams. Unless they go to playing in foursomes then you can fit 72 players in the field, and create 18 teams. but players hate foursomes. And slows down play. The shotgun formate seems to be a must because it creates amazing energy, completes the day in half the time of a PGA event which is great for broadcast costs, and levels the playing field for all players vis a vis weather, playing conditions etc. so you either stay with 52 players or go to foursomes. Building a global elite tour with the top 52 guys works. Foursomes would be a problem. Having no cuts is not a problem for world ranking points and once LIV strengthens their field they will get points. Tigers Hero event grants points with 20 players and no cut. Give me a break. Regarding new investors in the pga would you invest in a depreciating asset. The good players will soon wake up and jump ship.

How does change the face of the game?

Professional golf is at this moment as far as it has ever been from its storied history, as far from personal integrity, certainly professional integrity, as it has ever been. Suicide by greed.

at the beginning i was on the pga side ,, then they started acting like mean girls with the insults , LIV is my go to gollf now , Thx guys good show

The only thing wrong with LIV is they are not getting WGR Points. Unfairly. Jay struct the first dirty blow. Comparing LIV golfers to terrorist sympathizers. Fire Jay now!

@tomdallas3690

2 ай бұрын

Wrong. Everything about LIV is wrong.

LIV is a pirate tour. They grab top players that other tours have developed. To date I am still waiting for LIV golf to develop their own top world players. So far I have not seen that.

@ryanbuhagiar5698

7 ай бұрын

Kalle Samooja

As a fan I like the 54 hole format and the shotgun start. The big issue for me is how LIV find a TV or streaming outlet that people watch. All this talk of JR and the boys being exciting - I'm one of the very very few who watched any of it. Nobody watching creates no interest and no money - not sustainable even for LIV.

@coobay4786

7 ай бұрын

75% of the golfers I know watch LIV over PGAT unless it's a major.

54 holes is a joke….

Can you imagine loud music blaring across the grounds of Augusta National or a U S Open site? Go ahead and call me out but it’s something I just cannot get my golf etiquette brain to accept. I was at a public course near DFW airport recently and they had loud music blaring out of a concession tent right by the first tee and many players were complaining about it. I don’t want to hear hip hop music blowing up my ears when I’m trying to calm my nerves for that important opening tee shot.

love this idea but the ads will keep me away. my word

@coobay4786

7 ай бұрын

I guess you prefer to watch an add for 5 to 10 seconds then hit the skip button opposed to just advancing the video through the add.🙉

National teams - tick. Corporate ownership of teams - tick (big revenue). Being able to bet on your national team - tick (real big revenue). Betting with confidence on the Indian national team - better check with their bookies first🤣

When you guys stop making this an infomercial and get back to being a podcast, I'll come back ... seriously, how many BBQ commercials do we need in 1 episode?

@robertschissler1236

7 ай бұрын

You have to make money to stay on line

@jsellejr

7 ай бұрын

@@robertschissler1236 I recognize that, but respectfully, there are more than enough examples of successful channels operating with less informercials. Putting a sponsor segment within the content is expected, but once ought to be enough. I did appreciate Kostis & McCord's insights on LIV, but this video could have been 10 minutes shorter.

@coobay4786

7 ай бұрын

​@jsellejr I guess your fingers don't work good enough to just advance the video through the add.🙉

I think i will just watch college golf if its about team golf.

I think both of you are giving too much credence to the OWGR. The majors will find other ways to allow qualification. Tennis has the sede system. LIV can rank their players and the majors can cherry pick. PGA needs to get rid of JM to move forward. Equity and team shares is the future with more players going to LIV. Those who are in love with legacy will remain with the PGA likely because they are on top and wealthy already. I might add the 2021 PIP (player impact list) now has LIV acquiring 5 of the top 10 so the game has changed. I am hopeful sober minds prevail for the good of the game. Glad to see Peter has such keen insight on the "crisis".

Do we want Saudi Arabia running golf? I think not.

Jay Monahan needs to be replaced

It’s a lose-lose. The PGA Tour will never be what it once was and LIV will never be as good as the PGA Tour once was. So we have watered down golf from here on out.

@mach1sports

7 ай бұрын

Debbie downer much lol

@Sundaydrumday

2 ай бұрын

Its true, the whole damn thing has been ruined.

Stupid move by Monahan. Get rid of him. Peter and Gary don't have a clue about the future of LIV, obviously.

LIV is a boring product. Guys in shorts, already paid massive amounts of money with little incentive to excel, little to no drama. Looks like a corporate outing. And their ratings show it.

@2011810

7 ай бұрын

LIV golfers just won 4 non-LIV four-day tournaments in a ROW. And LIV isn't the only tour that allows shorts. They excel and thats just the facts. If you don't like it I get it but at least get the story straight.

@wks4511

7 ай бұрын

Looks like you need to get your story straight. My response was only about LIV golf tournaments. You talked about everything other than their tournaments. Your response has zero credibility.

@jimzanios3260

7 ай бұрын

Totally agree with blood money

@jimzanios3260

7 ай бұрын

BS LIV sucks Greg Norman trying to destroy pga period

@coobay4786

7 ай бұрын

​@@jimzanios3260says the guy with a full tank of Saudi gas and a house full of communist China products. Total hypocrite.

Never heard so much BS.....Rahm is not owned by PGAT.....PIF are serious players, who don't appreciate crooked potential business partners....PGAT should never have a monopoly over pro golf

Zero true golf fans care about team golf. Even the Ryder Cup is not really important. If the media didn't tell you to care, nobody would care about the Ryder Cup. The United States players really wouldn't even care if the Ryder Cup went away tomorrow. Team golf is would you go with if you are trying to ruin golf.

Adding teams to perhaps represent other countries to create interest? It sounds like LIV might actually be growing the game. Hmmmm….

Monahan is a flat out liar. LIV needs to sign the top 10 Asian, South American, European players under 25 and 25 of the 50-250 ranked American players under 25. The PGA Tour would fade to irrelevancy.

World Golf Rankings irrelevant if best players in game aren’t eligible anyway. Just let the rankings fail eventually.

Too many ads!

Love the podcast guys but you two sound like LIV fanboys. The product is garbage. No major sponsor is going to put money into team golf. The only team golf that anyone gives a damn about is the Ryder Cup. That's it. No one cares about Kevin Na or Martin Kaymer and he's won multiple majors. Golf is still golf and it is not mainstream. Tiger was/is the needle. Now that he barely plays golf has taken a hit w/ the viewership.

and in fact, there are moral issues on both sides.