I wasnt even aware that 8k video existed wow

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Willem Verbeeck Yup! I use it mostly to get a higher bit rate from KZread and less compression artifacts! Love your work btw!

@Alex-me8od

4 жыл бұрын

haha you've really gone full analogue for the past few years haven't you?

@eccentricsmithy2746

3 жыл бұрын

There is a lot that you dont know that exists. Like the lack of talent on your channel.

anyone here like grain? i love grainy images which explains why my favorite roll is the Portra 800, gotta love that analog crunch :D

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

My personal taste is to have it more in black and white images.

@Mcelle100

4 жыл бұрын

I love it but i can't afford it...😅

@detectivejonesw

3 жыл бұрын

Portra 800 is so expensive 😭 if you push portra 400 1 stop do you get similar results?

This was an immensely helpful video. I was looking for a comparison video and this one fit the bill perfectly.

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! Have fun shooting 🎞

Good video. Solid content, very good sample pix supporting the points you were making. The music was appropriate and the sound level was perfect - not too loud or overbearing as so many do early on. You were clear and understandable. Please, keep making videos.

Great stuff man! Appreciate your non pretentious delivery.

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Very informational and exactly what I was looking for! Thank you for this video!

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!

I have 5 rolls 160 NC I bought in 2002. Found them in a box in the garage and have been shooting them up for fun.

A fair comparison, thoughtful commentary, AND dropbox link of examples?? Great video!

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Redmond Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the examples

Great video! cant wait to see more of your work. (ill try and be patient over the next 3 months :P )

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Haha thank you! I'll try to make them a bit more often lol

Thanks for the video, I have shot 135 Portra 400 and 160 at box speed for testing. Happy with the 400 results but still waiting on the scans from 160. I have a roll of 135 800 to try still. I will consider your advice on pulling back the ISO and looking forward to more testing :)

Very insightful video. Found the historical tidbit really interesting. Wonder how well these convert to black and white vs using dedicated panchromatic... thanks so much for this!

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

I've been shooting a ton of Portra lately, I would agree with just about all of your comments on each film. I rate them all just as you do to get the most exposure from the shadows and I shoot in both 35mm and 120. One difference for me, I've been shooting a lot of night-time and low light work so I've been pushing Portra 800 two stops with great results as it seems to be the best film for me for pushing and working in low light. (urban scenes). I don't mind the grain I get at ISO 3200. It's not easy to commit to Portra as I live in Japan (think twice the US price!), so I need to find creative sources to buy it but it's do-able. Great portraits you posted and thanks for the video. Cheers! Edit: I believe P 400 is known to be one of the most pushable films but my local lab complains a bit when I push it 3 stops., so I push P 800 2 stops instead as per their recommendation..:)

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

john murch thank you sir! I’m glad you enjoyed the video! I’ll def try pushing Portra 800 now and share the results compared to CineStill!

when you overexpose the film do you tell the lab that it's shot 1 stop over or do you let them process the film as normal?

Nice video. From what I've been reading on a few difference sites, film has what is called a nominal speed vs what is on the box. Back in the day companies would try to compete by bragging about how their film could shoot at an ever higher speed. That's what they put on the box. But the nominal speed is usually 1 or 2 stops slower than that. According to Kirk Mastin at Mastin Labs, Portra 160 should be shot at 100, Portra 400 at 320 and Portra 800 at 400. Not only do I think the colors look better, you're far less likely to screw up by underexposing. Especially with older light meters or tricky lighting situations. There are also a few videos showing the difference between over and underexposing C-41 film.

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

SunriseInTheMidwest yeah, I totally agree with you! I also reference that cheat sheet, I just like giving Portra 400 even more light at 200!

@sontiyo7113

4 жыл бұрын

do this, while developing as normal (or not telling the lab to push/pull)? Just making sure I understand you correctly

@81springbrook96

4 жыл бұрын

@@sontiyo7113 yes, do this, while developing as normal.

@thierrysoreze7693

4 жыл бұрын

@@sontiyo7113 Portra 800 rated and developed at 400 is gorgeous. Have not tried rating it at 400 and develop it at 800 tho

Would you do a side by side photo compairison of the medium format and professional full frame digital camera ?

Thanks for making this video. I am a film newbie so this is very helpful with my research.

Nice breakdown of Portra. It’s far and away my favorite color film.

This was really useful! Thanks Lilio:)

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Matthew O'Shea no problem!

Love all the Austin shots!

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I love it here!

Thanks for helping with my decision. I think i'll go with 400 for the versatility

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Harry Plays Guitar glad I could help!

I have a question about the film. I’ve shot in 400 and 800 and have only got 28 photos back and not 36. Any chance you know why that is or am I missing something completely? 😅

Ask you something: when you push the film, do you compansate with the development? Or you just develop straight forward? Thanks!!!!!

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Just develop normally!

Great video. When you shoot at the ISOs lower than what Porta is rated for, do you compensate for shutter speed/aperture in any way? Or do you meter/shoot that rated ISO?

@LilioCamere

Жыл бұрын

I meter at the lower ISO, to allow more light to hit the film 🎞️

I just subscribed, you seem like intelligent and good photographer with knowledge I seek . Thanks

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Troy Phillips thank you for subscribing!

Loving the photo at 3:24! Great video btw!

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

Nuno Almeida thank you so much!

Hi there do you meter the highlights, mids or shadows when shooting P400 @200?

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

I tente to meter shadows

Can you make a video on how to scan?

Hi ! When you shoot let's say your portra 160 @100iso, do you tell your lab to pull your film or do you tell them to develop it as usual ? I don't understand that yet

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

They develop it as usual, you just set your camera light meter to ISO 100

@Meuhto

3 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere All right thanks a lot ! :)

Great video! I have rolls of 400 & 800 loaded up good to go for a assignment tomorrow. It’s a nerdy little point but all of the still photo film stocks are no longer made by Eastman’s but rather Alaris. The motion picture stocks are still under the Eastman brand

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Ratson thank you! Great to know! I’ll make that correction in the next video I make that covers Kodak!

@literallyshane4306

3 жыл бұрын

Nice comment 👍

wow this video is very inspiring I ma going to give it a try on using this film

question do u give a one on one camera lessons?????? I Amin california and I would like to learn more about film using I pulling I like how u push n pull the film I would lie to learn the technic in a more deep level, like using specific lightning such as flash n studio strobs.

@LilioCamere

2 жыл бұрын

I do, but I’m based in Texas

Yeah the grain is pretty similar between 160 and 400, it's slightly softer edged and less noticable on the 160 IMO. Also it seems to have a little more saturation

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Joseph Delgadillo yeah, I can def agree with that! Which film did you think has more saturation?

@zguy95135

4 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere It's hard to say, but I think 160 does. At box speed it's got more contrast (probably helps with saturation) over 400 which is flatter. People always say 160 is the more pastel of the two but I haven't really found that shooting them both. I haven't shot the 800 yet which is supposed to be the most punchy of them all. It's like 30% more expensive which is a tough pill to swallow

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Joseph Delgadillo yeah, I can see that with 160. I find 800 too punchy in 35mm but it’s alright in 120mm.

was very helpful to me. Being new to film photography will I be able to shoot Portra 400 film roll at different speeds say half at 320 and the rest 400. Thanks

@airworks9233

4 жыл бұрын

yes of course

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! The roll will be developed as one unit though. Changing the ISO in the middle of a roll will shift how much shadow detail and grain you have.

@Aplus205

4 жыл бұрын

Lilio Camere will give it a try.

when you say you're shooting 400 at 200 and 800 at 400.. I'm assuming you're pulling one stop in dev?

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Gilberto Lontro hi there! I’m actually exposing Portra 400 at 200 ISO and then having it developed normally. Film has a lot of tolerance for overexposure but quickly becomes muddy if underexposed. With some older light meters on cameras, it’s safer to give it a bit extra light to make sure the film was given enough light.

when you usually overexpose your film do you instruct the lab to pull the film or do you develop normally?

@LilioCamere

Жыл бұрын

Develop normally!

So i use a lightmeter when i'm shooting. if i use portra 160 on iso of 100 like you said.. do i have to change my iso to 100 on my light meter, or leave it at 160 still on my light meter?

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

Snoopz Visualz 100 on meter

@snoopzvisualz2334

3 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere thanks

Nice video. What scanner do you use (home or lab)?

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Hi there! I use the local lab, Precision Camera and Video! Thanks for asking!

For some reason in Indonesia it only costs less than $6 for brand new rolls

@arifrahman.i8012

3 жыл бұрын

Really, that's insane

Excellent video!

what the heck is going on with the wall behind you? its like the exposure is constantly changing subtly. anyone else notice that?

Great video. Can I ask you please; I'm new to film photography myself and my first roll of film I shot colourplus 200 using an AE-1 Program on auto settings. I then put in portra 400 and forgot to change the ISO setting to 400 so shot it at 200, so I've actually done this unintentionally. Being new, I wasn't sure what this would do. I've used auto again, so aperture and shutterspeed will have auto set based on ISO 200? I've almost finished the film, so based on your video would you suggest I send it to the lab and say nothing, letting them process as 400?

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Gomersall yes, you actually unintentionally done what this video suggests and overexposed your Kodak portra 400. Just send it off and they should look great 🤗

@me.my.son.and.i

4 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere Brilliant! I'm so pleased! The photos are all taken at my local seaside town and I think I captured a couple of great shots. Those being in the right place at the right time, kind of shots......and thought I may have compromised the images with this supposed mistake haha. Thanks so much for your help and quick response!

@me.my.son.and.i

4 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere I'm back with another question please. Having finished that roll of film and ready to send off for processing. Is it best to go for Jpeg 18mb files or TIFF 18mb and why? Thanks in advance

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Gomersall TIF files, the scans typically hold more color information

Hello, how are you?? i'm starting my journey with films and i managed to buy a portra box 160 for 35mm. I am from brazil in the translator I understand that you in the port 160 put the iso of your camera in 100 to fill more the shadows. I can do this?

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Set ISO to 100

@danielbristot372

3 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere incredible!!! thank you very much for your attention ... i will study your contents a lot and recommend to more friends ... i always notice in the analog photographs that i see, a shadow that is impossible to achieve in digital, and i only see this in films ... for sure that's the technique.

dude! typos happens, it's a great video keep doing it (something about TRI-X?)

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks haha, yeah, woud you want it compared to something or more of a review?

What do you use for 35mm and medium format?

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Brian! I currently use a Nikon F3 for my 35mm work and a Pentax 6x7 for my medium format! Thanks for asking! Have any other questions?

using the portra 400 at 200, what aperture and speed should i use??

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Joey, aperture and shutter speed will be dependent on your scene. Maybe try a light meter app that you can download!

I have learned that im putting the same iso on the camera that i have on the film, o if i have ISO 400 and have 1/500 and then , ISO 200 1/250 ISO 100 1/125 ISO 50 1/60 ISO 800 1/1000 you say if i shooting porta 400 film i should have at iso 200 instead and 800 at 400. Im confuesed ?

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Hi! So you're talking about guessing the exposure, based on the ISO. You should actually give this film more light than you think, so treat Portra 400 like a 200 speed film and Portra 800 like a 400 speed film. This extra light will help the chemicals in the film react more and gives you less grain in the image.

Thank you, great work!!

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Erick Acosta thank you! Thoughts on the examples in the video?

@dipirona79

4 жыл бұрын

Lilio Camere found it great, it also would be awesome to see more of it in low light!

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

@@dipirona79 Awesome! I'll keep that in mind for my next video!

Thanks for the Video!

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

What camera did you use for your sample photos?

@LilioCamere

2 жыл бұрын

I used a Nikon F3 for my 35mm work and a Pentax 6x7 for my medium format work!

When you shoot portra 160 at 100, do you tell the lab that the film was shoot at 100 ?

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Grain Fixer I typically just have them develop it normally. I don’t want them to push or pull the film.

THX so much. well explained

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the content!

How are your scans so clear? They look like digital pictures!

@LilioCamere

2 жыл бұрын

They were high-res scans through my local film lab 🎞

Do you have ig account for all your film photos?

@LilioCamere

2 жыл бұрын

I have an Instagram, it’s @camerescamera

A really good explanation, it is pity the music is so loud it is a struggle to hear the explanation.

if I use kodak 160, can I set my camera to 200 ISO?

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

I would not recommend it, as you would underexpose your film, leading to more grain and less sharpness

@ayamgeprek5608

3 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere alright, thank you so much!

Hi! When you say you shoot Portra 400 at 200 for over-exposure, do you mean the ISO? Isn’t it that the larger your ISO, the brighter more exposed the shot is? But you went down to 200 for Portra 400..?

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Hi there! While for digital raising or lower the ISO changes the exposure, for film, you are trying to tell the camera how to meter for the particular film stock you have in your camera. The light sensitivity is predetermined by the film itself and cannot be changed like a digital sensor, so all you can control is the amount of light you are allowing into the camera. So when you rate the film at a lower ISO you are telling the camera the film needs more light. This means that you will typically need to have a slower shutter speed or more open aperture to give it that additional light. Unlike digital, film tends to prefer overexposure to underexposure, so giving your film more light is safer than trying trying to give it too little.

@sherenchinthialaurentchia

4 жыл бұрын

Lilio Camere But why is that when I searched on google, it says that in order to overexpose film, you have to go for higher ISO for more light sensitivity? and on the other hand, i watched this video as well as negative feedback’s about overexposing & underexposing portra 400, and you both are saying that lower ISO leads to more light sensitivity = overexposing film????? im so confused!!

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

@@sherenchinthialaurentchia The best way I can explain it is that if you tell the camera to rate the Portra 400 at 200, then it will try to collect more light. The physical film is not affected by what you set your camera ISO to, changing the ISO setting, only tells the light meter what to aim for. The same thing could be done by setting your camera ISO to 400 and setting it to overexpose by one stop.

@sherenchinthialaurentchia

4 жыл бұрын

Lilio Camere i see! i asked some photographers about overexposing their film, and some of them said that they increase their exposure by +1 stop.. do you know what does that mean?

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Sheren Chinthia Laurentchia yes, a stop in photography means a halving or doubling of light. If you give your film double the light, that means you are giving it 1 stop more light. If you give it half the light that means you’re under exposing it by a stop.

When videos like this remind me of the Portra price of two years ago 😭😭😭

Nice video !

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Davide Aicardi thank you 🤗

How are you developing the 800 when you expose it to 400? Just as normal?

@LilioCamere

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@Kim_Alexander

2 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere what camera are you shooting with, are you messuring the light with an external meter?

@LilioCamere

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kim_Alexander I don’t use a light meter, I use a Nikon F3, F6, and a Pentax 6x7

@Kim_Alexander

2 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere thabks! Just bought a zeiss ikoflex heading back to film again think it was 19 years ago last time I shot with film, and still have my 35mm cameras though. If I remember correctly negative film handle highlights pretty goot better then shadow I assume that's why you overexpose your film?

Some feedback, it would have been more useful (in the video) to compare the same images side by side.

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the feedback! I only currently have one 35mm camera and one medium format camera, but if I ever acquire a second in either format this is definitely something I can incorporate! Thanks again for watching!

@CryptoQuest95

4 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere Awesome :)

1:40 now that is a BEAUTIFUL photograph!

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Awsowm video man

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Magnum thank you!

I saw St. Mark's lighthouse there at 4:53

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Rabon Ragan Yup! I love shooting out there when I visit Tallahassee!

I like your videos man, but something I have to tell you based on what you said about Portra 160 being warm. It's interesting because it's actually the coolest of the three. Your interpretation based on the lab scans is skewed because it sounds like they are compensation and going with a warmer profile to offset it's natural coolness. Look into it. Until you do your own scanning, you will miss out on knowing the true nature of any film you have a lab tech scan process for you.

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

That’s totally fair! I’ve been doing a lot my own scans this year so I’ll have to retest out 160

8k? Well, I'm watching at 360p, nice video anyway 😊

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Yup! I upload in 8K to try and avoid KZread compression as much as possible

can you shoot 160 at night?

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

I personally would not recommend it unless you are doing long exposures on your camera

He only had 630 subscribers. That’s crazy... I was expecting at least 30k+. KZread is broken.

@LilioCamere

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!

Great video. I will try 100iso on my portra160 film.

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Moto On Tour glad I could help!

@khunwang3174

4 жыл бұрын

Lilio Camere one more question please, lower the iso from160 to 100 needs to slow speed shutter or open wider aperture to remain the light meter +0 am i right?

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Moto On Tour yes! You need to physically collect more light!

@khunwang3174

4 жыл бұрын

Lilio Camere thank you so much for the information and quick reply.

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Moto On Tour of course! Happy shooting!

Portra 400 is not made for scanning. It has optimized grain that’s better for scanning but darkroom printing as well but it’s not primarily designed for scanning. It is true that they gave away with the two versions because scanning became so popular and in a digital editing process you can add or take away saturation and contrast. But because it’s finer grain and has more latitude you can do the same thing with exposure for darkroom printing. The idea that any films have been primarily designed for scanning and not darkroom printing is a misconception by people who don’t ander stand what they mean by better scanning performance in the specs sheets.

3:30 I swear, if this isn't Aaron Marquis from Rooster Teeth then that's a clone 😂😂😂

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

It is Aaron! He's great!

@effeKtSVK

4 жыл бұрын

Lilio Camere Holy crap! Nice!

A wild Aaron Marquis appears

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Haha yeah, he's a great guy and subject!

@caseycaizza5

4 жыл бұрын

@@LilioCamere That's awesome I miss seeing him in Rooster Teeth stuff

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

MR_PASTORE same! Social Disorder is still one of my faves!

4:30 bridge is king

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

Love Pennybacker Bridge!

I'm a Portra 400 and Tri-X 400 fanboy

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

That's the go-to combo!

Austin :)

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

It's great! I love it here!

This dude sound like the mole from g force

What about dark skin people?

@LilioCamere

4 жыл бұрын

What do you mean, metering and exposing for people with dark skin?

me watching on my first gen iPhone SE like 👁👄👁

Portra 400 is not recommended for beginners. Use colour plus etc ... because you NEED to keep testing and testing before you move to something more pro. Making mistakes is a good thing!

I dont think this kid knows the meaning of the word de facto when he uses it.

@LilioCamere

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, I made the mistake of using bit as default. I have since learnt the correct meaning.

in 2023 only few people can afford analog photography the hype will end very soon ...