Knuckles vs the Cyborg Nazi Echidnas (True Sonic Lore)

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Let's take a dive, in aquatic mein.
Comics used:
Archie's "Knuckles the Echidna", issues #22-#25. #30
Clips used:
Sonic CD Opening Theme
Excerpt reading songs:
Erik Satie - Gymnopédie No.1
Debussy - Clair de Lune
Erik Satie - Gnossienne No.1
Background music:
A Ghost's Pumpkin Soup ~Pumpkin Hill~ (Instrumental vers.) - Sonic Adventure 2 Soundtrack, reproduced by Sick Mike ( • Pumpkin Hill (Instrume... )
Dive Into the Mellow ~Aquatic Mine~ (Instrumental vers.) - Sonic Adventure 2 Soundtrack, reproduced by brutalmoon [ • aquatic mine ~ instrum... )
Deeper ~Death Chamber~ (Instrumental vers.) - Sonic Adventure 2 Soundtrack, reproduced by
BlizzardOfTheCoast ( • Tomoya Ohtani - Deeper... )

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  • @table2.0
    @table2.02 жыл бұрын

    “Unlike sonic I don’t chuckle I’d rather invade Poland” Is a a brilliant joke by jrvee in response to the lunatic that is Ken Penders

  • @michaelsantamaria5295

    @michaelsantamaria5295

    2 жыл бұрын

    I love that the immediate tweet is "You fucking WHAT" like this dude did not read anything from Ken Pender or is in just pure disbelief that anyone would do something like this

  • @thehiddenone181

    @thehiddenone181

    2 жыл бұрын

    💀💀

  • @FunnySkeleton101

    @FunnySkeleton101

    2 жыл бұрын

    Perfect

  • @redjirachi1

    @redjirachi1

    Жыл бұрын

    Ken Penders is what happens when the Austrian painter actually gets to paint

  • @robertlupa8273

    @robertlupa8273

    Жыл бұрын

    As a Pole who has just clicked on the video, *_you fokin' what!?_* o_o

  • @cameronphenix2096
    @cameronphenix20962 жыл бұрын

    I'm finally starting to piece together why so many sonic fans are just broken human beings.

  • @cristoferantunez8734

    @cristoferantunez8734

    2 жыл бұрын

    😭😭😭😂😂

  • @cameronphenix2096

    @cameronphenix2096

    2 жыл бұрын

    @RuanXel didn't realize "so many" translated to "all"

  • @yohhh6715

    @yohhh6715

    2 жыл бұрын

    @RuanXel damn bro almost as if they were joking

  • @robertwoods3871

    @robertwoods3871

    2 жыл бұрын

    @RuanXel Sonic fans can't take a joke for shit

  • @potada1289

    @potada1289

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@robertwoods3871 As a Sonic fan, can confirm this.

  • @boneycheeeze8234
    @boneycheeeze82342 жыл бұрын

    Archie’s pretty wild.

  • @merchantziro4285

    @merchantziro4285

    2 жыл бұрын

    Understatement of the century

  • @themangoman9315

    @themangoman9315

    2 жыл бұрын

    I know have you seen Riverdale?

  • @Mr_Nobody2512

    @Mr_Nobody2512

    2 жыл бұрын

    Archie is like sometimes a good or bad thing

  • @smart.but.stupid

    @smart.but.stupid

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad this timeline is dead thanks to Ken Penders.

  • @fishingrod2253

    @fishingrod2253

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@smart.but.stupid i kind of miss it

  • @Ads-yw1wr
    @Ads-yw1wr2 жыл бұрын

    I genuinely can’t believe the knuckles NFT joke became real. I expect to wake up from the simulation any moment now.

  • @TheMrCtoer

    @TheMrCtoer

    2 жыл бұрын

    The fact that one of the NFTs is called Green Knuckles makes this joke even better

  • @joelkilchoer4238
    @joelkilchoer42382 жыл бұрын

    I will give them credit for actually accurately showing the stab in the back myth. 90% of Nazi media ignores that, falling short of the high bar set by Sonic side character comic book spinoffs.

  • @michaelfuria4775

    @michaelfuria4775

    2 жыл бұрын

    Why in higher hell does a sonic comic have to raise the bar about nazi media lmao.

  • @elowin1691

    @elowin1691

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@michaelfuria4775 the better question is why is most media tackling the nazis so bad at it that a sonic side character comic raises the bar

  • @rynobehnke8289

    @rynobehnke8289

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm uncertain if I would give the book credit for it as the Dark Legion is far more in the right than the original myth with was born out of German Generals post WW1 trying to save face and pin the blame on the Democrats (with Hitler latter adding Jews on the "to blame" list for his own idiotic believes) And I say this because really the Dark Legion was born because the response to 1 guy abusing technology spooked so much that they the counsels new "Anti Advance technology" Law already declared a Sega Genesis was already to advanced (no joke they literally took the soon to be dark Legions leaders Sega Genesis) Mind you Ken would cause so many contradiction and really bad moral implications with this plot point latter on in the Knuckles series that I can understand if one wants to forget about it but it was written that way shown throw objective flashback scenes that lead to the birth of both the Dark Legion and the Brotherhood of Guardians.

  • @gantz22ify
    @gantz22ify2 жыл бұрын

    The real reason Knuckles and Locke were pushed so heavily by Penders is because he had a rocky relationship with his own father and was self-inserting himself and his dad into the comic.

  • @stranger59

    @stranger59

    2 жыл бұрын

    I hope this helped him heal from that, since I have the feeling he has a lot of other unresolved issues to deal with.

  • @yourehereforthatarentyou

    @yourehereforthatarentyou

    2 жыл бұрын

    damn that’s actually sad. i actively try to be mindful and keep my mother issues OUT of my own personal creative writing; seeing as one of my characters is a mother with something of an adoptive son, i keep the projection factor to a minimum and be sure not to let it become a super unrealistically perfect relationship but yeah penders might not be the most super amazing person, but still, that kinda makes me feel bad. like the dude above me said, hope it helped him in some way

  • @vexzel5550

    @vexzel5550

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@yourehereforthatarentyou Got a link to what you're writing?

  • @classicsonicshorts4752

    @classicsonicshorts4752

    Жыл бұрын

    Dang bro got farther than chris chan

  • @Ability-King-KK

    @Ability-King-KK

    Жыл бұрын

    And this is one of the many reasons why no one likes Penders' run on the comic.

  • @locodesert2
    @locodesert22 жыл бұрын

    Christ Archie was a whole other case of wild. You could do a whole channel dedicated to the wild shit Archie sonic does. The last thing i was expecting was nazi inspiration in a sonic comic.

  • @gamewizardthesecond

    @gamewizardthesecond

    2 жыл бұрын

    Idw comics are definitely superior

  • @Rafeku1

    @Rafeku1

    2 жыл бұрын

    Guys hold your horses, thats because it was Ken Penders in the helm there. Once Ian Flynn(the current writter at IDW) got in, the stories got better. Besides sonic lore wasnt exactly set in stone back in the 90s, we had 2 canons, the jp and western canons. Everything was only going to sort itself out with Adventure. Flynn also had to do a lot of damage control to put the story back on its axis, but even so....

  • @locodesert2

    @locodesert2

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Rafeku1 I’m blocked by ken penders

  • @supercamborg4218

    @supercamborg4218

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Rafeku1yeah Ian Flynn tried to salvage what he could. Ken was just a complete madman

  • @towivamoriz7789
    @towivamoriz77892 жыл бұрын

    As utterly bizarre as this is, it’s pretty messed up in a way. I’m surprised that this kinda stuff was allowed…

  • @chaosahoyhoy

    @chaosahoyhoy

    2 жыл бұрын

    If his tweets are to be belived - and considering some of the crazy stuff he's posted that he needn't have ever shared - Ken Penders did run these ideas by the editorial staff before writing the story. I think he wanted to have an Alfred J. Kwak style scenario that explained WW2 through the lens of cartoon critters but didn't quite stick the landing.

  • @Nagrommj

    @Nagrommj

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chaosahoyhoy ken is just a fascinatingly tone-deaf guy on every possible level like, few people are able to think things through as little as he does

  • @Halo2glitchlover22

    @Halo2glitchlover22

    2 жыл бұрын

    I don’t understand the issue.

  • @sonicplays8740

    @sonicplays8740

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Halo2glitchlover22 Oh it's nothing, just a scenario that surely should never be put on Sonic without the ideas and planning of someone who truly understands that situation he wished to convey through the comics.

  • @sonicplays8740

    @sonicplays8740

    2 жыл бұрын

    And more, this thing is a super important fact that has to be handled and explained REALLY well.

  • @ClioMako
    @ClioMako2 жыл бұрын

    Imagine having to explain that to someone who has only played the games. Jesus...

  • @dracibatic2433

    @dracibatic2433

    2 жыл бұрын

    i mean thats what hes doing

  • @cesarvictoriano8072

    @cesarvictoriano8072

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me: Hello there… I’ve seen things watching these.

  • @monkey_blu

    @monkey_blu

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me. I'm that person

  • @binge-ington6115

    @binge-ington6115

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, explain to me.

  • @dio8451

    @dio8451

    2 жыл бұрын

    Stuff like this is why I can never get into the comics. Jesus christ

  • @FeliDJrah
    @FeliDJrah2 жыл бұрын

    I almost forgot echidnas were one of the only 2 mammals left on the planet that still lay eggs.

  • @GoyBenius_0901

    @GoyBenius_0901

    2 жыл бұрын

    Shout out to Platyniggas and the Echidgang.

  • @ashikjaman1940

    @ashikjaman1940

    2 жыл бұрын

    God damnit, now I'm wondering what echidna and platypus eggs taste like

  • @FeliDJrah

    @FeliDJrah

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ashikjaman1940 If they're anything like reptile eggs, you better off not knowing.

  • @rockhistoria2537

    @rockhistoria2537

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dr Starline sends his regards

  • @FeliDJrah

    @FeliDJrah

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rockhistoria2537 I said one of the only two. Platypuses are the second.

  • @_itsjustchris_
    @_itsjustchris_2 жыл бұрын

    Dude your content is so entertaining to listen to and just binge the bizarre choices Archie had over the years. Keep up the awesome work.

  • @cristoferantunez8734

    @cristoferantunez8734

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dude I’m doing the exact same!! Like you can’t just click on these wild titles😂😂

  • @Popcultureguy3000

    @Popcultureguy3000

    2 жыл бұрын

    Archie _and_ Fleetway! Don’t forget about the Unicorn version of Doctor Fate that tried to get Tails to sniper assassinate Dr. Robotnik from an apartment just like the one Lee Harvey Oswald used!

  • @marcoalcaraz7218
    @marcoalcaraz72182 жыл бұрын

    Dont forget that this Story was later the whole catalist for the penders Sue against sega and it lead to him taking all his characters that he created, causing the restructuring of the whole sonic comic going in to IDW comics

  • @dumpertron1
    @dumpertron12 жыл бұрын

    I just want to shout out that guy on Twitter who replied: Unlike sonic I don’t chuckle *I’d rather invade Poland*

  • @minimalbstolerance8113
    @minimalbstolerance81132 жыл бұрын

    "We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down." -A Penders NFT just before invading Eggmanland, probably.

  • @Red-MagicOrchestra
    @Red-MagicOrchestra2 жыл бұрын

    it's funny how ken tried to make them reform when knuckles was green and he even helped them. even though before that, knuckles was 100% against the dark legion

  • @dannybeane2069
    @dannybeane20692 жыл бұрын

    They say sonic is the fastest thing alive. Yet Ken Penders can go from 0 to 100 in the time it takes you to read a tweet.

  • @pokesonav
    @pokesonav2 жыл бұрын

    Ah, this reminds of that time Knuckles overdosed on the Chaos energy and became very green for several arcs. And also turned into basically Echidna Moses, leading a tribe of stranded echidnas to the promised land, across the ocean (though he wasn't parting it, just gave everyone the ability to walk on water, but still)

  • @Rishi123456789

    @Rishi123456789

    2 жыл бұрын

    I have that issue of the Knuckles comic book when Knuckles walks on water to get to that land that I think was called Albion (if I remember correctly). Good times.

  • @robertlupa8273

    @robertlupa8273

    11 ай бұрын

    And by several arcs, we mean he was green for *2 and a half real-life years*

  • @dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668
    @dolphinboi-playmonsterranc96682 жыл бұрын

    Archie has crazy stories. Sega has strong ties with the yakuza and harassed their employees to the point of mental breakdown. Another victory for fucking Jughead.

  • @Sorrelhas
    @Sorrelhas2 жыл бұрын

    Damn, you really called Ken Penders' characters NFTs Have my sub

  • @supercamborg4218

    @supercamborg4218

    10 ай бұрын

    Penders actually did end up making NFTs, or at least announced he was going to

  • @PeeperSnail
    @PeeperSnail2 жыл бұрын

    You know what, I think I understand why Penders’ legacy, aside from the whole lawsuit thing, continues to live rentfree in the fandom’s memory. Kinda hard to unsee this shit.

  • @Rishi123456789

    @Rishi123456789

    2 жыл бұрын

    Penders is based, in my opinion. I don't care what anyone says.

  • @kap1618
    @kap16182 жыл бұрын

    To be honest, its stuff like this is why a character liked Julie Su irked me a bit. She was a member of techno fascists cult and yet she gets so upset when people bring it up. Like, bitch at what point did you stop and ask "Are we the baddies?" Remember she only left because of her crush on Knuckles and not anything moral reason.

  • @SuperCosmicMutantSquid

    @SuperCosmicMutantSquid

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wasn't it only Vector who brought it up most of the time? For the most part, the Chaotix trusted her as did a lot of characters. Vector was the only one who had distrust of her and I will admit it was entertaining.

  • @noszelias
    @noszelias2 жыл бұрын

    "hey, check my knuckles NFTs" aaand that's a subscribe to me

  • @hurricanejaney
    @hurricanejaney2 жыл бұрын

    somehow, on a video titled “Knuckles vs the Nazi Cyborg Echidnas,” i made it through that entire first paragraph thinking it was a spoof you made to set the scene. it’s real. i…it’s real, dude. how is this real?

  • @ScutoidStudios
    @ScutoidStudios2 жыл бұрын

    What the fuck. I am so glad I read the fleetway ones for the most part! (Even though Archie had a lot of good bits)

  • @fxailing1201

    @fxailing1201

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, fleetway was so much better then sum of the stuff Archie was doing

  • @Popcultureguy3000

    @Popcultureguy3000

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well I wish there was some way for me to (legally) read those Fleetway comics, but for some reason (probably Sega of America, too afraid the old Fleetway books would be too _”off brand”_ ) No American publishers be them IDW or Dark Horse has bothered to collect those stories for an American/Canadian release!

  • @thrasher9534

    @thrasher9534

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Popcultureguy3000 oh there's a way to read them want me to tell you?

  • @ScutoidStudios

    @ScutoidStudios

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Popcultureguy3000 yeah I do to, I had to not do that... I'm not in the USA but those comics aren't exactly running anymore...

  • @Rishi123456789

    @Rishi123456789

    2 жыл бұрын

    I've never read Fleetway's shit and I don't want to. Fuck Fleetway. I grew up with the Archie Sonic comics, starting with issue 57 all the way back in 1998. I also collected the Knuckles comics starting with issue 12 (if I remember correctly). I always love the Archie Sonic comics and Archie Knuckles comics no matter what.

  • @SmashProX
    @SmashProX2 жыл бұрын

    The only good thing about Archie is showing these to someone who only knows the games and seeing their WTF reactions to everything.

  • @kaisaleh7268

    @kaisaleh7268

    2 жыл бұрын

    That is me, I don't know anything about the Archie comics

  • @ArtseyHayton06

    @ArtseyHayton06

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kaisaleh7268 and you are better off not knowing.

  • @SmashProX

    @SmashProX

    2 жыл бұрын

    Archie Sonic purists will often overlook this kinda stuff when saying their usual "Oh the games would be so much better if they took from the comics. Everyone has character, plots mean something, Shadow is more of a person, there's more things at stake, the Freedom Fighters might be even better characters then half of Sonic's friends..." Of course, they also happen to be leaving out the King we're supposed to relate with trying to bring mass genocide on a certain group of people, Sonic's relationship problems, Knuckles becoming Christ, spotlights on useless characters (I mean a lot of characters in this comic can barely take out a single Badnik or have anything special when nearly everyone in the game verse can) and REALLY questionable choices and stories that drag on.

  • @ArtseyHayton06

    @ArtseyHayton06

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@SmashProX this fanbase is freaking weird. (and every other one except Omori...? Wait...)

  • @SmashProX

    @SmashProX

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ArtseyHayton06 Every fanbase is weird.

  • @BackPalSA
    @BackPalSA2 жыл бұрын

    The sonic lore cybershell WON'T show you.

  • @AdamHPerform06
    @AdamHPerform062 жыл бұрын

    Ken "hey bro check out my sick Knuckles NFTs" Penders 🤣🤣🤣

  • @cherrypopscile3385
    @cherrypopscile33852 жыл бұрын

    Ken Penders has as many insane horrible ideas as he does good ones. The nazi echidna were the best worst idea he ever had and I love this lore

  • @RaidenKaiser
    @RaidenKaiser2 жыл бұрын

    so this might actually be why the echidnas were hunting sonic in the beginning of the first movie. they werent from knuckles tribe they were bizarre nazi rip offs.

  • @dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668

    @dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668

    2 жыл бұрын

    You don't think other tribes would exist? Not all echidnas think and look alike, you animalist.

  • @RaidenKaiser

    @RaidenKaiser

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 haha true

  • @Lunar.phant0m2
    @Lunar.phant0m22 жыл бұрын

    Therapist:knuckles without his gloves isn’t real he isn’t going to hurt you knuckles without his gloves 5:12

  • @JustAPrinnyDood
    @JustAPrinnyDood2 жыл бұрын

    Why was I even surprised when you revealed Ken Penders was the writer?

  • @DPantherful1
    @DPantherful12 жыл бұрын

    Ken Penders Writer Ah, fuck. I remember reading a few of these online a long time ago. I think I still have some comics saved on a playlist, not this far back though. Trainwreck as it is/was, I enjoyed them. Now enjoy them in a "so bad, its good" way, lol.

  • @invisanon

    @invisanon

    2 жыл бұрын

    Man only needs to see the name Ken Penders and go "Ah fuck, here we go again. Ready the alcohol."

  • @alexkennedy6112
    @alexkennedy61122 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait for the next issue where the Freedom Fighters invaded Normandy.

  • @rynobehnke8289
    @rynobehnke82892 жыл бұрын

    I think you should also have mentioned that the Dingo's are also usually portrayed as Nazi's and that the "good guy" guardians also considered the Dingo to be a lesser species to them self. Because these 2 information's make the whole story you summarized here even more fun to consider Also I'm actually more okay with the "Mein Kampf" quote as that one at least makes sense for the character he attributed it to say with it beging added in enough ways to make it properly fit his story. But the poem doesn't fit at all. As Robotnik NEVER did anything to the Echidna's up to this point and they refusal to get involved with the other issues in the world did also never screw them over so far ether. It wouldn't be till like 5 years latter with Karl Boller's "Return to Angle Island" story line that this rewritten poem comes even close to fitting into the comic's story.

  • @sethmushambavanhu8391
    @sethmushambavanhu83912 жыл бұрын

    Oh and Don't worry folks it gets worse you should do a video on those few comics when knuckles turns green and is the messiah

  • @DianaGohan

    @DianaGohan

    2 жыл бұрын

    Actually it wasn't just " a few" comics. Knuckles turned Green in Sonic 90 and outside the occassional peak of alter universe, mis coloring, or flashbacks, he wouldn't be properly "Rad Red" again as a living Mobian until... 125. Yeah Knuckles was either green or DEAD for about THREE YEARS of the comic run. Not to mention the whole messiah "Avatar" story was actually something that happened later so turning green and being the Avatar are two totally different stories.

  • @blazingsonic
    @blazingsonic2 жыл бұрын

    Again a lot of this went over my head when I was a kid even reading this in highschool, It was all just another day in Sonic land. Just glad IDW has a clear story that's devoid of real world politics, Just Sonic saving the world from Eggman while having other characters have their own stories to tell, Sure Sonic can't lose or cry and what not or have family, in fact non of the Sega characters can have families but unlike Sonic they are allowed to have emotional break downs, seeing Sonic's friends get utterly broken when Eggman is at his worst shows how much of an impact Sonic makes, However the Metal virus shows showed us a gimps of Sonic at his weakest, sure Sega said Sonic can't lose but didn't save the writers can't have him go on one hell of a journey to finally save the world. As for Knuckles, I think they need to take a page of the movie's Knuckles but from what I have seen they finally pulled Knuckles away from being an idiot and being the Knuckles we know.

  • @Mepphy99

    @Mepphy99

    2 жыл бұрын

    Metal virus Saga was so cool but deserved more time to be that emotional ... Kinda sad that Sonic and Shadow are ruined because of Penders

  • @smart.but.stupid

    @smart.but.stupid

    2 жыл бұрын

    WELL, Sonic X had a nuclear war going on or smth between Seedrians aka Cosmo species...yeah, that was bizarre too

  • @wisccheese9257

    @wisccheese9257

    2 жыл бұрын

    Road to 50 i might add

  • @comixproviderftw_02

    @comixproviderftw_02

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Mepphy99 Depending on your perspective, The Metal Virus Arc came at the best time or the worst time.

  • @starvoltnexus3139

    @starvoltnexus3139

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’d like it better if Penders had ruined everything for everyone somehow stole characters that weren’t his legal loophole bull crap Which gave rise to the mandates that say shadow could never be written in character ever again

  • @SirWally-jm6cn
    @SirWally-jm6cn2 жыл бұрын

    I should add the quote "we were stabbed in the back" actually comes from Ludendorf. Ludendorf was one of the main generals in Germany during WWI and laid the philosophical foundations for what the nazis would later believe. The stab in the back myth predates the Nazis so far that it's origins can be found immediately after the treaty of Versailles. Mein Kampf was only one text that alludes to that kind of thing, but even before Hitler and the nazis, disdain for the Jews was not uncommon and growing. With all that said, most of the Echidna quote seems to be embellished after the initial direct quote and probably has elements from mein kampf mixed in.

  • @Tobunari
    @Tobunari2 жыл бұрын

    Goddammit Ken Penders

  • @DealsFS
    @DealsFS2 жыл бұрын

    I never knew how much I needed videos about bat shit sonic comic lore until now

  • @user-so3wg3bm3t
    @user-so3wg3bm3t2 жыл бұрын

    you're really underrated my man, been watching all off your sonic videos and they are really entertaining, keep it up champ.

  • @lauravturner
    @lauravturner2 жыл бұрын

    God I love the Archie Comics. So fucking batshit.

  • @julianadams3710
    @julianadams37102 жыл бұрын

    In a vacuum the phrase “The Mecha-Nazi punched Knuckles in the face!” Is pretty radical.

  • @mrboerger1620
    @mrboerger16202 жыл бұрын

    I like the idea of echidnas being racist due to their control over the master emerald it's interesting. But WTF like the fuck.

  • @DianaGohan

    @DianaGohan

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah technically at this point in the story The Dark Legion (who quite honestly have always had a splash Of Nazi influence in their portrayal the 22-24 "Political Thriller" arc of the Knuckles comic just amped that up) never actually have had control over the Master Emerald. They have made several attempts over the centuries to take control over the emerald but they obviously all resulted in failure. Furthermore, the Master Emerald at the time of Knuckles 22-24 was actually a relatively new concept being produced introduced only in universe... maybe a few months ago (couple of years our time) and honestly the story of how the Master Emerald formed in the Archie Sonic Universe is probably worth another one of these videos. It doesn't get as... facist as this but it's still pretty wonky if you think about it.

  • @DrinzenDrawz
    @DrinzenDrawz2 жыл бұрын

    Just binged all your sonic lore videos and it's probably one of my favorite types of videos, i like how you don't drag it out and go straight for the point. Really well made content, hyped for more in the future :)

  • @DrErikNefarious
    @DrErikNefarious2 жыл бұрын

    3:18 Not so fun fact: To this day, he still reacts to people thinking this is bad/cringe with "Whatever, it's fictional bro, get over it"

  • @b3ans4eva

    @b3ans4eva

    2 жыл бұрын

    So it’s a real tweet? Is he trying to ruin my childhood?

  • @AzafuseKingTora
    @AzafuseKingTora2 жыл бұрын

    I like to see this as openders thinking he's way too deep and mature for you just because he made allegories to real issues... LOL

  • @TehJellyLord
    @TehJellyLord2 жыл бұрын

    I’m so glad I discovered this channel, I’ve always wanted to learn more about Archie Sonic without actually having to put the effort in! And holy shit is this a gold mine.

  • @mauricerichardson4976
    @mauricerichardson49762 жыл бұрын

    The Archie sonic comics will be missed. I wonder if Ian Flynn has any characters that were removed from the comics due to penders lawsuit. Also no word about the freedom fighters in the idw continuity.

  • @TheFluBugZ

    @TheFluBugZ

    2 жыл бұрын

    To my knowledge all of the characters that got removed were of Penders making. Ian created more characters after they pulled a soft reboot to the comics to give a quick retcon to still try and keep the then current story going.

  • @conradojavier7547

    @conradojavier7547

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheFluBugZ if they ever touch the Echidnas Again, They'll use the Furry Mayans as the Canonical Echidna Civilization.

  • @Popcultureguy3000

    @Popcultureguy3000

    2 жыл бұрын

    There is no hard evidence of this yet, but there is a lot of rumors, hearsay and speculation that Sega of America is *forbidding* Flynn from using any redesigned versions of either the SATAM characters or anyone from Adventures of Sonic The Hedgehog. It could be because of loser writer Ken Penders and the shame Sega of America has over losing that infamous lawsuit or it could be an extension of Sega Of America’s restrictions that kept Flynn from using Fang the Sniper, Bark The Polar Bear, Ray the Flying Squirrel, Mighty the Armadillo, that Sega of America doesn’t want characters from the 90’s games that haven’t made appearances in media with a “modern design” Sonic, outside of that recent 30th anniversary special, that is.

  • @TheFluBugZ

    @TheFluBugZ

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Popcultureguy3000 That would explain why they haven't used anyone from the SatAM cartoon. Though I'm honestly not sure how many of those characters were co-owned by Archie. There could be a copywrite fiasco with Archie over many of the characters that keeps Flyn from being able to use them.

  • @mauricerichardson4976

    @mauricerichardson4976

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Popcultureguy3000 ok but what about Flynn's characters like Sonar the fennec, Jian the Tiger, Conquering Storm, Razor the Shark, Bride of Constant Vigil (Espio's mom) and Relic the Pika? And a few others from the Post Super Genesis Wave?

  • @lilymonasmith4790
    @lilymonasmith47902 жыл бұрын

    It's insane to think this was what kids where reading...

  • @IceAssassin25
    @IceAssassin252 жыл бұрын

    We really need a "Top 10 ken pender sonic storylines" Video at some point

  • @Red-MagicOrchestra
    @Red-MagicOrchestra2 жыл бұрын

    2:56 he really thought that bringing up mein kampf and the fdr speech would help his case.

  • @Hugelag
    @Hugelag2 жыл бұрын

    Hooooly shiitake mushrooms. The Archie comics are so wild and you tell them well. I'm looking forward to more of this insanity. The only suggestion I'd like to know more about would be that apparently Knuckles dated one of his ancestors from the future or something. That and the Fighters arc where Segata Sanshiro showed up. Also, Ken Penders needs to stop. Just in general.

  • @SlickEvan
    @SlickEvan2 жыл бұрын

    Ooooh wow. They (Ken) did my boy Knuckles dirty. Glad I missed out on any of whatever the heck they were doing with him in the comics. I just remember renting comics from my library as a kid and checking all the cool art but I got like, the Riders adaption, some random comic with Mina the mongoose, and some other stuff but never this lol. Super crazy this stuff went along and got published but I guess that's because Sega/Sonic Team weren't really paying too much attention to it at the time.

  • @theolast9727

    @theolast9727

    2 жыл бұрын

    i would actually argue penders was a net positive on sonic lore because he gave us a bunch of batshit crazy ideas which let Flynn fix the bad ones and urge out the good. A lot of Ken's ideas were good, but he got bogged down in the personal stuff, exchanging character arcs for romantic drama

  • @Rishi123456789

    @Rishi123456789

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@theolast9727 I honestly love most of Ken's ideas and characters, the only things I didn't like about Ken were his planet-sized ego and his tendency to overmythologise everything.

  • @locodesert2
    @locodesert22 жыл бұрын

    I don’t know why but you give me some cybershell vibes. Probably the way you edit or the research you do on your videos. Something kinda of reminds me of cybershell on this channel.

  • @vexzel5550
    @vexzel55502 жыл бұрын

    I don't care what people say about Archie Sonic. It's a underappreciated masterpiece That ages like refined wine It's literally Sonic and friends going through really insane but interesting situations It isn't just good saves the day It is a spectrum of emotions, drama, relatability, and utter confusion but you just know they will come out on top and you want to see how they'll come out better because of all of it It inspires me to finish a Sonic story I had on the mind.

  • @Power-9Hunnid

    @Power-9Hunnid

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes somewhat, but I also have to agree with the fact that alot of certain plot points need work.

  • @vexzel5550

    @vexzel5550

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Power-9Hunnid I'd love it if Archie Sonic had a reboot. Taking what's good and improving on what was bad. It was a entertaining children's comic And allowed for Sonic to be expressive and humanized in a world with a vibrant cast. While it could be improved Like less Ken Penders odd story decisions Overall it did something not seen in other Sonic media's Here's are the things that I loved sonic was mature Able to do anything Eggman was pure evil wanting to conquer and turn everyone into robots Fantasy Drama Lore Values And all kinds of mobians with interesting designs IDW keeps the same theme game Sonic has But Archie allowed the characters to go through all kinds of emotions and situations that also could reflect real life And that's what I really appreciated

  • @gregm4813

    @gregm4813

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad to see someone else like Sonic actually having more story then just "save world from Eggman." This particular plot idea may or may not have been a good idea, but I've never liked Sonic backpedaling into just being a saturday morning cartoon hero.

  • @Rishi123456789

    @Rishi123456789

    2 жыл бұрын

    "I don't care what people say about Archie Sonic. It's a underappreciated masterpiece that ages like refined wine It's literally Sonic and friends going through really insane but interesting situations It isn't just good saves the day It is a spectrum of emotions, drama, relatability, and utter confusion but you just know they will come out on top and you want to see how they'll come out better because of all of it It inspires me to finish a Sonic story I had on the mind." You are correct and I completely agree with you. Archie Sonic actually gave the Sonic franchise the seriousness and dignity it deserves, in my opinion. I always love Archie Sonic no matter what.

  • @stranger59
    @stranger592 жыл бұрын

    All that and Echidna Hitler wasn't even a real Echidna? He was a robot??? Why go that war with nazi stuff just to wuss out at the end? How many folk did Knuckles just ignore being loaded into trains?

  • @constantinwilliams9388
    @constantinwilliams9388 Жыл бұрын

    I am both simultaneously disturbed and impressed with the amount of detail Ken added to make the Dark Legion as accurate to the actual nazis they were based on.

  • @Yuti640
    @Yuti6402 жыл бұрын

    3:07 The way you say that sounds like Inspector Gadget

  • @Shockscream107
    @Shockscream1072 жыл бұрын

    Honestly amazing. Keep it up.

  • @comixproviderftw_02
    @comixproviderftw_022 жыл бұрын

    Ken “hey bro, check out my sick Knuckles NFTs” Penders.

  • @donovanberserk4993
    @donovanberserk49932 жыл бұрын

    Penders and Chandler should do a crossover series. I bet it would be real popular.

  • @SuperCosmicMutantSquid
    @SuperCosmicMutantSquid2 жыл бұрын

    From what I remember, these issues were running during Dubya's first run. XD

  • @onzasyne
    @onzasyne2 жыл бұрын

    Godmmit Ken Penders whyyyy

  • @phahlastname8321
    @phahlastname83212 жыл бұрын

    So thats why knuckles was in History once

  • @redjirachi1
    @redjirachi1 Жыл бұрын

    And people think the constant fetish art is the weird part of Sonic

  • @mrfrost6211
    @mrfrost62112 жыл бұрын

    I need more of this stuff, your videos on this madness are amazing and I just hate their isn't more, bravo

  • @StubenhockerElite
    @StubenhockerElite2 жыл бұрын

    Dropping a sub, Sonic Lore is wild

  • @vlast8107
    @vlast81072 жыл бұрын

    This is a hidden gem of a channel lol I love it

  • @theshenpartei
    @theshenpartei2 жыл бұрын

    Fun fact ken lenders is doing NFTs now

  • @RudeBoyRudeBoyRudeBoy
    @RudeBoyRudeBoyRudeBoy2 жыл бұрын

    Lmao please keep these videos coming. I love them!

  • @ashy3604
    @ashy36042 жыл бұрын

    Bro the sonic comics are wild af 😂

  • @ruandaleeingle8632
    @ruandaleeingle86322 жыл бұрын

    The entire Archie comic series was a real thing!? I thought I just kept having weird fever dreams while I read them.

  • @monkeman8759
    @monkeman87592 жыл бұрын

    The title is basically the entire plot of sonic chronicles

  • @Impurity41
    @Impurity412 жыл бұрын

    Never had an interest to read the Archie comics but as long as you are commentating the whole thing then I will. Hope you do more. I love your sonic content!

  • @ltgpoops2812
    @ltgpoops28122 жыл бұрын

    I've just foun your channel and now I'm hooked

  • @ethantoonshd3119
    @ethantoonshd31192 жыл бұрын

    the most underrated channel ever

  • @nyxian4832
    @nyxian48322 жыл бұрын

    My Friend Who's a sonic fan:So have you started reading the Archie comics?! :D Me:...Yeah....Yeah I did

  • @ToyFreddyGaming1987
    @ToyFreddyGaming19872 жыл бұрын

    Is this what crack feels like.

  • @SonplaysMinEcraft
    @SonplaysMinEcraft2 жыл бұрын

    This is what Sonic Forces should've been

  • @helix4048
    @helix40482 жыл бұрын

    Your next video should be “that time Sonic’s ex almost hooked up with Son Goku”

  • @chaosahoyhoy

    @chaosahoyhoy

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh my god how did I forget about Monkey Khan?

  • @garrisonjones1827
    @garrisonjones18272 жыл бұрын

    can we just rake the time to appreciate that the archie comics were ahead of their time

  • @themangoman9315

    @themangoman9315

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah definitely what inspired something like tails gets trolled

  • @positive_spark
    @positive_spark2 жыл бұрын

    i love these videos

  • @Foxrich99
    @Foxrich992 жыл бұрын

    Still a more realistic ww2 than Vanguard

  • @ashikjaman1940
    @ashikjaman19402 жыл бұрын

    5:13 lives in my nightmares

  • @thereverend6114
    @thereverend61142 жыл бұрын

    Dude I love your atchie sonic videos, and awesome music this episode, gymnopedie and gnossiene are two of my favorites, satie is great

  • @filipporighi8677
    @filipporighi86772 жыл бұрын

    This one's a pretty underrated channel

  • @substationy4700
    @substationy47002 жыл бұрын

    My man had to read Mein Compf for this Sonic video

  • @chaosahoyhoy

    @chaosahoyhoy

    2 жыл бұрын

    I know the writer literally said it was a quote from the book but I just absolutely refused to believe it haha.

  • @SonicChannelGaming

    @SonicChannelGaming

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chaosahoyhoy why does your voice sound like ls marks voice ?

  • @Itz_Miles
    @Itz_Miles2 жыл бұрын

    I don't exactly know who you are or what any of this is, but I have seen and heard of the archie/fleetway comics, and I guarantee you will be picked up by the algorithm. Might as well sub and enjoy the ride.

  • @robbycooper6787
    @robbycooper67872 жыл бұрын

    Why does this story mark sound like it would be 1000 times better if the evil ww2 echidnas were replaced by daleks and it was a weird doctor who crossover fanfiction where the 3rd doctor ends up in a weird parallel dimension where earth is called mobius

  • @drastics4394
    @drastics43942 жыл бұрын

    The 420th Subscriber. Incredible. Good vids, by the way.

  • @lobruh9039
    @lobruh9039Ай бұрын

    Sonic and Nazis are words i was not expecting to be in the same sentence in a million years.

  • @tntsonic7482
    @tntsonic74822 жыл бұрын

    I love your vids. Im cursed with archie knowledge so its fun to watch these vids and laugh at archie.

  • @Zarvanis
    @Zarvanis2 жыл бұрын

    2:55 Of fucking COURSE it was Ken Penders.

  • @Gh0st652
    @Gh0st6522 жыл бұрын

    The great Emeralds power allows me to feel -'pac

  • @OmgDAM1
    @OmgDAM12 жыл бұрын

    2:57 The reply below is hilarious "Unlike sonic I dont chuckle" "Id rather invade poland"

  • @profanegunman7586
    @profanegunman75862 жыл бұрын

    My tired brain missed the "vs" and the "s".

  • @iang257
    @iang2572 жыл бұрын

    Today I discovered your channel, and Today I learned Echidna Nazis aren't just made up by the Sons of Mobius mod team. So yeah, great video. (Great team btw)

  • @Destroyer6263
    @Destroyer62632 жыл бұрын

    As someone who has been fascinated with these comic since I stumbled on them as a kid, this is some grade A content

  • @258thHiGuy
    @258thHiGuy2 жыл бұрын

    The worst part of this is that the knuckles on knuckles' gloves are on his skin

  • @ari-man
    @ari-man2 жыл бұрын

    This is gold

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