Ya but this is just Klay Thompson. Didn’t take in account the other Klays: China Klay, scaffolding Klay, toaster Klay, Game 6 Klay, etc

@monrajdhillon815

4 жыл бұрын

Headband klay

@bradenpittman1801

4 жыл бұрын

China klay is dpoy

@Momo_Nana

4 жыл бұрын

Game 6 klay is the greatest player of all time and it ain't even up for debate

@sj_leee4995

4 жыл бұрын

also fake klay

@Jerm353

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget splash Klay

klay is the perfect fit on every single team in the league

@kristian9014

4 жыл бұрын

hes terrible without curry

@drehasthebestbeats2874

4 жыл бұрын

@@kristian9014 Looks like we have a hater. Get back to reality and you'll see that Klay can excel in any system. Coming from a Kawhi fanboy, btw.

@r3sgthepvs448

4 жыл бұрын

@@kristian9014 😟

@TheIcemanthomas

4 жыл бұрын

@@kristian9014 is that why hes had some of his best games when currys offense is M.I.A.?

@govols2214

4 жыл бұрын

If he’s your first option you’re in trouble. But incredible as a 2nd or 3rd option. Very scalable game

Another reason the metrics say hes bad is that, as you said, he is always lining up with the opponents best guard.

@joeasuncion2891

4 жыл бұрын

Epic Gamer How is it another reason if he already said it lmao

@Goose21

4 жыл бұрын

This is an epic gamer analysis moment

@Eian_Anderson

4 жыл бұрын

@@joeasuncion2891 its because he didn't say that. He said he was better at guarding guards than the rest of the warriors, but he didn't adjusts the advanced stats to adjust for the players he was up against.

@felixronkainen8880

4 жыл бұрын

Those advanced plus-minus metrics actually do adjust for individual opponent strength, so that's not a factor.

@alighani2720

4 жыл бұрын

so does every 1st team all defense member and their numbers are still really good. try again.

I love the use of lesser known statistics in order to paint a fuller picture. Coupled with great video analysis, this channel is really doing something awesome.

I'd love a video on the best defenders in the NBA and what makes them effective

@zachwilliamson13

4 жыл бұрын

Blair Johnson 2nd this!

@12savage68

4 жыл бұрын

154th this

Klay usually guards the opposing PG/toughest matchup while also contributing significantly offensively as well...not many other players have this kind of responsibility on a night in night out basis...but to be fair it's mostly his on ball defense I find stellar which is very important considering the types of players he guards!

7:48 when mentioning Iguodala I wished Ben added: "... Who's one of the greatest wing defenders ever..." to highlight that Klay is being replaced by a superior defender. Also, it is funny he only made two all-defensive teams which is absolutely ridiculous. Great analysis as usual though

@ThinkingBasketball

4 жыл бұрын

I forget that's somehow not a given.

@ja4309

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah. Has the best hands in the league

@saiwaqa2573

4 жыл бұрын

Klay isn't a sf. Klay is the SG what the fuck is this shit on about... Iggy and klay play on the court together!

@deandrepage1048

4 жыл бұрын

@@saiwaqa2573 Playing with new teammate, D'angelo Russell. 😀😀 Steph Curry at PG D'angelo Russell at SG Klay Thompson at SF

@saiwaqa2573

4 жыл бұрын

@@deandrepage1048 Lol, a video before he even plays at SF??? Are you kidding me?

I can’t even get FIVE seconds into the vid and I already love it...scaffolding Klay is an underrated Klay

That efg stat is great. It seems like his defense is effective for his purpose/role in the team, which is to contain the star perimeter player as much as he can. Warriors system really maximizes the skill and role their core players have.

Alright I wanna see an Dejounte Murray analysis next.

@keywill1728

4 жыл бұрын

Stalker Bleach here here💯

As a Warriors fan, I definitely value Klay's abilities on both ends of the court. I would really like to see you do a list of the "best perimeter defenders".

Maate you've done it again. Amazing comprehensive analysis. Love it.

Another incredibly informative and astonishingly amazing video. Keep up the good work Ben.

Really enjoyed this video because it's easy to get wrapped up in how a player looks with on ball defense but team defense, especially for guards is mostly recognizable in hindsight.

You need to be making videos weekly. Straight heat and always something to look forward to watching

Am I the only one who would love to see this sort of analysis on some older players like K Garnett, Iverson, John Stockton, or Hakeem?

@freakyfridays135

3 жыл бұрын

Got your wish on two of them

This my fav bball channel rn SOO detailed compared to the other ones

Amazing analysis as always. I fucking love this channel, it's also improved my play by improving my basketball IQ and awareness. Thanks for the great content man, we really appreciate it!

You still better then sportcenter. Actual analysis without just idiots yelling at each other or who's more popular like this is real analysis and I respect you bruh

i was cooking and thinking about this exact subject, sat down and you've got a video for me. synergy! great video

Great video and music as usual! Really looking forward to a Porzingus video! Curious about his longevity and health with his play style.

I would like to see a video looking at the "best defenders" in the league and seeing how they stack up against each other. Narratives about defense can be really vague and hard to quantify, so if you get a reputation as a defender it often sticks even if not completely warranted.

Your videos are the best, favourite basketball on KZread

I love all your videos i wish you could make them everyday keep up the good work?

Great video🔥🔥🔥

I think a video about who you WOULD have on your all defensive teams would be awesome. Even just the guards as a follow-up to this.

“Klay Can be a bit spacey” Yes because it’s probable he’s high asf😭

@Rose-xm4og

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

Great thinking, Ben! I've got a couple of questions regarding Klay in the context of other defending guards: 1. Klay has a lot of tools, as you pointed out. Offensively, he has a much smaller role than most of the other guards (literally no ballhandling or creation). Does that lead to more endurance that he could use on the defensive end? Because he is strictly an off-guard on offense, he can focus on the defensive end. 2. One of your major points is the opponent eFG%. And that looks impressive. But is this stat reliable? As the name points out, it only counts, when the offensive guard takes the shot. If he passes (one of the most common things a lead guard could do) the metric can't account for this. As you showed in the graph Thompson's opponents took significant less shots against him. Well, that could be good - or it indicates, the opponent could find an (open) teammate. Only one metric to back up your eye test seems a little less. Nevertheless, Thompson is a really good defender, but I think, we can't really back that up with metrics in general, because we don't have the tools to evaluate defense on a player level. The lack of reliable metrics is our biggest problem.

Would you do a video on Mike Conley or Jrue Holiday? This year, both of their numbers have gotten rather close to those of some star point guards in the league, but i am really curious, when broken down to analytics, defense included, how they fare against guys like Kyrie, Kemba, D'lo Russell when it comes to impact metrics.

Great analysis. I am a big Klay fan but have also noticed that he can lose his man at times. However, to be fair, his primary defensive responsibility is usually to guard the elite (high usage) perimeter players, so whilst he does sometimes make mistakes, most of the time he is adding great defensive value. In short, I believe that the sum of his value defensively far exceeds the impact of his mistakes which is why he is so highly regarded.

There are a couple of things missing in the analysis. Golden State is much more than the sum of its parts. Like Draymond's defensive skillset perfectly meshes with that of Klay. Klay not only guards toughest defensive assignment but also wears them out with his constant hustle. That defensive hustle is what makes Klay great and Klay also shepherds the player he is guarding into a Draymond's range where he is likely to provide help defense. Draymond uses Klay's hustle to provide great help defense and blocks and that is where Draymond's intelligence and positioning and hustle make him one of the best defenders in the league. Just like Curry and Klay make each other a lot more lethal when they play together by stretching the floor. Curry and Klay are more than the sum of their parts offensively and Klay and Draymond are more than the sum of their parts defensively.

@theonlyalecazam2947

Жыл бұрын

shepherd analogy is great

Good video. Looking forward to Zion analysis once the season starts.

Been wanting to see a video showcasing Klay's D. Thanks.

@inFamous_Izanagi

4 жыл бұрын

Why you wanting to see Klay's D?👀 sus

@phothewin6019

4 жыл бұрын

Dikota Williams You heard me.

@phothewin6019

4 жыл бұрын

Dikota Williams Ain't no problem. Booty is booty.

yeeees a new video!!

When I was trying to teach my daughter how to use her length well on perimeter defense, I showed her videos of Klay Thompson. Clicked as soon as I saw this video.

Can you do a video of Anthony Davis? I think people forgot how good he was. Another 🔥 video by Ben and is by far the best anylatic channel for basketball

@BoscoTungWaldo

4 жыл бұрын

Kababy Loadmanagement now he has :)

Could you do john collins next he's incredibly underrated especially in his draft class

@GodofDisco

4 жыл бұрын

Empathy Trail not saying I disagree but explain

@RAPeters239

4 жыл бұрын

I would love a video like this. I always hear about him, but I haven't seen the Hawks play too much.

@empathytrail4758

4 жыл бұрын

@@GodofDisco he has been putting up great numbers this year and is one of the best finishers at his position a lot of people been looking at other drafts but john collins was often overlooked despite doing work he averaged a double double last season with one the highest percentages and he is slowly becoming a star

@10secviolation

4 жыл бұрын

what area of his defense is underrated? john colliins defense has been awful in the pick and roll, on switches, his man to man to below avg. his paint defense is not great ( low post), transition is brutal.

@empathytrail4758

4 жыл бұрын

While he does have some defensive lacks he isnt absolutely terrible on that end he has the athleticism and hands to improve simply bashing him for his defense is not fair

Like with many players, it's a question of how to use him. Great on-ball defender, weak off-ball defender That's where good coaching and team construction comes into play. The reason why the warriors where so good in the last years.

This analysis shows that the Warrior's defensive scheme and team construction match up perfectly to Klay's strengths. He's best as an on-ball defender against slashers, and his primary defensive role is on the opponent's best ball handler. His weaknesses also correspond to the strengths of his teammates, as Draymond Green is one of the best ever at providing timely help to save a defensive possession.

Always great content

I’d love to know how valuable you think ben simmons and giannas are because of their lack of shooting and spacing compared to ball dominant guys like lillard and kemba and steph. Love the channel!

How do you think he’s gonna do coming back off injury having to play small forward?

I bought KT4 LOW for approx. 40USD and I love it.

Can you please do a breakdown for untucked jersey Kyrie

Can we get an analysis of MJ using your metrics and analysis as a baseline for these modern players? It would be a lot of fun to watch.

You need to make an all defense and all nba teams list. I would like to see how your list stacks up to the NBA’s list

Overall, objective, with data to support, Klay can always improve, the shady foul leading to his injury against Toronto, side comment here - not cool, but Klay is solid, humble, versatile, and most important - my favorite NBA playa! #MVP

He is a really good defender, he is always given the toughest defensive assignments and does his job well

ur really good at this...... a team needs to hire you if they haven't already

Klay been a Superstar since 2016 if not before go look at the playoff run he had with steph missing games and him closing out teams

You should do a vid on the best perimeter defenders and defenders in general

Can you do a video over Zion and what you project he could be in the NBA?

Last offseason, I wanted my beloved Celtics to throw everything at Klay Thompson. The idea of a Smart-Thompson backcourt was intriguing, pairing Smart with another high level defensive guard who also happens to be a great shooter. The Celtics would have been able to run Smart-Thompson-Brown-Tatum-Big Man. This lineup would have been a lot of fun to watch and a defensive nightmare. Both Smart and Klay are very switchable, both able to defend much bigger players. Brown and Tatum are both able to generally defend one level up and also quick enough to defend guards. They would be vulnerable to traditional bigs, but with Klay's perimeter firepower and our athletic young core, Boston could very realistically run opposing big men off the floor while playing a smaller defensive 'big' like Theis. Of course it was never going to happen, but with a drought of NBA activity, it's very fun right now to play with the 'what could have been' scenarios.

@Thanosdidtherighthing

3 жыл бұрын

Marcus smart running the point ? Oh no lol.

Good vid, as always. Give me Klay every day, he’s the 2 any coach wants.

I think he’s number 1. Guys like kawhi and Butler often take the tough assignment only towards the end he takes them while he’s on the floor often 40 feet. While contributing on offense (off ball moving ) while guys like kawhi don’t move off ball .

Klay is like the anti draymond when it comes to defensive anticipation. One of the examples use to show klays lack of quickness seem to be just him not anticipating what the offense was doing well and not knowing where to go

It helps that Klay is usually matched up with opposing guards who are way more of a threat on ball than off ball, so his off-ball weaknesses don't get exposed all that much, while his on-ball prowess gets magnified before our eyes

CJ McCollum breakdown would be really interesting

@Richbeans115

4 жыл бұрын

As a Nuggets fan that is sore about Urkel knocking us out of the playoffs I would like to see this too. The guy is so crafty at getting buckets

You should do a series where you analyze every team

i wish this guy was the one working on 2k player rankings

Can you do a video on the pattrick beverley defensive impact

Klay is the greatest 3-and-D player of all time.

@yd856

3 жыл бұрын

Reggie Miller up there.

@leandrorodrigues6540

3 жыл бұрын

@@yd856 Reggie was probably a better shotter, but he wasn t a elite defensive player like Klay Thompson.

@yetundeadeyemi2436

Ай бұрын

Kawhi

@leandrorodrigues6540

Ай бұрын

@@yetundeadeyemi2436 Klay is a much better 3 point shotter.

@yetundeadeyemi2436

Ай бұрын

@@leandrorodrigues6540 and Kawhi was a much better defender, especially on the perimeter

Do a video on Michael Jordan’s defense. I’m only able to find highlights of his defense and I feel like breaking his defense down would be interesting.

@ethangilworth7891

4 жыл бұрын

Read his backpicks GOAT series

You should be making minimum 10 min vids to get the multiple ads your content deserves. You have a few that are just shy of it which should change. This is the best analytics driven NBA channel in KZread. Get paid, sir.

I have now thought about 3:30 for a solid 3 minutes.. If that is not teammate goals I dont know what is. Steph just goes to the smaller guy knowing that Klay is able and (even more rare) willing to switch to a much more difficult matchup for the good of the team. This sequence alone should push him to all-D first team

it's actually amazing to see this channel praise steph to high heaven and sound this down on klay, who almost completely eliminates the need for steph to defend the toughest position in basketball. i can't wait to see steph play this season alongside noted defensive stalwart d'angelo russell

@deeperson7711

3 жыл бұрын

TheRulersBack18 I was saying the same thing. Curry is protected so much by Klay Iguodala Draymond and KD all of those are top defenders at their position.

@TheRulersBack18

3 жыл бұрын

@@deeperson7711 btw, obv steph got hurt early this season, but warriors were getting SMOKED to start the year

The only player in the whole league that can fit into every team PERFECTLY. ZERO ego, sometimes to a fault, can dribble decently and functions off ball.

It's interesting that one of the best off ball offence players ever is a bad off ball defender.

Can we get a Dejounte Murray or a Eric Bledsoe defensive breakdown?

Can you please do a video on Kawhi Leonard's defense? His reputation places him as one of the best defenders in the league and everyone always talks about him being a lockdown defender, but his advanced defensive metrics haven't lived up to his reputation in the past few years.

@sydneycole3180

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Huynh because advanced metrics are often Impacted by your team defense. That’s why joe ingles was ranked the 4th best defender in the league last year

@Shaklore

4 жыл бұрын

​@@sydneycole3180 Not sure which metric you're looking at, but if you look at NBA Defensive Real Plus Minus (DRPM) Ingles is only ranked 16th among small forwards while Kawhi Leonard was ranked 44th. www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/5 A lot of people will point to team defense, but I don't think that statement alone explains enough. Ingles is ranked high because the Utah Jazz plays good defense? The Raptors as a team had good defense too. In fact, the Raptors were the 5th best defensive team in 2019.If you look at the top 6 defensive NBA teams of 2019, basically all of their premiere defenders had a good DRPM except for Kawhi Leonard and Klay Thompson. Giannis, Gobert, Turner, Paul George, Horford, Marcus Smart all had great advanced defensive metrics. stats.nba.com/teams/defense/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1 Also a big misunderstanding that many people have is confusing real plus minus for raw plus minus. Raw plus minus is indeed heavily influenced by a team's performance and a player's teammates. Real Plus Minus (RPM) isolates the plus-minus impact of each NBA player by adjusting for the effects of each teammate and opposing player. With a DRPM of 0.02, Kawhi Leonard barely has a positive impact (according to the stat) and is ranked 44th among NBA small forwards. www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/10740818/introducing-real-plus-minus I'm not necessarily saying Kawhi Leonard is a bad defender, but I think his case deserves a deeper explanation than "it's because his advanced stats are impacted by team defense". Also, I want to add it wasn't always this way. Kawhi Leonard ranked 1st in DRPM among small forwards in 2015 and 2016. He was ranked 3rd in 2014.

Can you do a Malcom Brogdon analysis video?

Do Deandre Ayton, he deserves some spotlight considering how good he is

I was just reading about Klay Thompson/Danny Green comparison today so kinda interesting that I got to watch this video too. Was basically saying Klay is clearly a superior on-ball defender but because of how good Danny Green is at actively stopping cutting plays from happening he blows him out of the water in DRPM. "Why is it Danny Green is so much more impactful in DRPM than Klay Thomson when we can clearly see with our eyes Klay is good at defense? The answer is Cutting defense. cutting is the most efficient way for a team to score, so preventing cutting opportunities becomes the most important skill defensily a player could have. Klay Thomason is a great on-ball defender, but we tend not to notice his off-ball defense. While Green is a good, not great on-ball defender but his off-ball preventing cuts is something we never even think about. Still though, because preventing off-ball cuts is so important Danny Green DRPM stats show a far greater impact."

@sydneycole3180

4 жыл бұрын

dddiop Kobe was elite at both

Noti gangggg

I really love Klay but this video exactly explains why I don't love him being at the 3 and that they should still look into trading D-Lo after this season. When he's going against smaller guards/nonathletic fowards on the perimeter, he's amazing. His size, strength, and plus still being quick on his feet really disrupts them but when he comes back, he's gonna literally have to guard every team's best 3/4. So on some nights that means he has to guard Kawhi, PG, Lebron, AD, Giannis, etc. and that's literally asking way too much for a guy coming back from an ACL tear.

What happened to kyrie in the bucks series do a video on that please ?

Can you do a video on Patrick beverlys defense ?

Great point about how stepbacks are a weak point for him!

Can you do the same video but for bledsoe??

Do you think Bledsoe deserved to make first team all defense?

@buenonobuenoo

4 жыл бұрын

Jason Blowhole HELL NO

@Yourztrulydaboy

4 жыл бұрын

tony allen

@crablord7934

4 жыл бұрын

That was hella confusing. I was wondering why Jrue wasn't in his place.

@caesar_19

4 жыл бұрын

@@Yourztrulydaboy Tony Allen didn't play last year

@brandancharles3292

4 жыл бұрын

Campion this is 2019 not 2014 🤦🏾‍♂️

Could you do the same analysis on Michael Jordan's defense? Or if there is already such a video available, point me towards it?

Thinking Basketball: Good defender with some clear assets and noticeable liabilities Every Commenter In Other NBA Channels: HE SHUTS EVERYONE DOWN HES THE STOPPER

@calebjabez8426

4 жыл бұрын

Basketball is a team game. Golden State can play shutdown defense and Klay and Draymond are a lot more than the sum of their parts when they play together. Klay provides the defense with the hustle and energy required to keep up with best offensive guard in the opposing team. Draymond uses that hustle to make intelligent defensive plays.

Here after his return

How can players who are bad at off-ball defense (ie, prone to being backdoor cut amongst other things) improve that area of defense? Swivel the head more? Stay connected via arm touching their matchup more?

@sydneycole3180

4 жыл бұрын

ReCharredSigh Mostly awareness. Knowing their matchups tendencies, when to front their man , playing more physical , era.

Jalen Brunson/Mitchell Robinson video called “2nd round steals”

Do one on pg13 defense please!

Klay should have been All D for a while now tbh. Glad he finally made it.

Please do Lauri Markenan

This made me realize why they traded for Wiggins. he will help on defense a lot. klay is a great iso defender an in the paint or off the ball one.

Can you do a kawhi analysis?

You said that you wouldn't have put Klay on the All-Defense team for 2018-2019. In your opinion, which players should've been on All-Defense this year? Really loved your video on TS% by the way. I've been trying to find a good way to explain to people why FG% is bad and your videos are literally perfect.

@sydneycole3180

4 жыл бұрын

Pranav Jagada true shooting % also has flaws

@pranavjagada9016

4 жыл бұрын

Sydney Cole Obviously all stats should be taken in context, so they all have flaws, but TS% is objectively better than FG%.

@sydneycole3180

4 жыл бұрын

Pranav Jagada You do know anyone who takes a lot of 3’s and shoots at least 35% will rank in the top 30 in true shooting % right ? That’s why joe Harris who took more 3’s than two ranked higher than curry and Kd last season lol

@pranavjagada9016

4 жыл бұрын

Sydney Cole What’s the problem with that? Joe Harris was an extremely efficient player. Someone who takes a lot of 3’s and shoots 35% on them is a good shooter. Like I said, there’s context. KD and Curry operated at higher volume than Joe Harris, and Curry also takes all the heaves. No one is trying to say that someone with a better TS% is a better player. All I’m saying is that it’s a better stat than FG%.

@deeperson7711

3 жыл бұрын

Sydney Cole exactly

Klay is good

Can you please do a Kobe Bryant defense breakdown?

One of the best shooter in the league and can play D. What else u want more if u are a team.

One doesn't get to just pick the advanced metric that most backs up what they think they are seeing. If they do this they might as well not use them at all.

@Thanosdidtherighthing

4 жыл бұрын

Klay guards the toughest matchups on the opposing teams and the advanced analytics have him as one of the better on ball defenders in the league

@henrybuchan4688

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thanosdidtherighthing If I remember correctly my point was that he looked at three different advanced stats that contradicted each other, and then said "eh this one kind of agrees with what I thought before looking at the stats so I'm going to say it's correct". He was using stats like a drunk person uses a lamp post, for support instead of illumination.

I dont think Klay uses his hands enough. He always has them raised even on drives to the cup which is overall a good thing but a guy like Pat Bev uses his hands to touch up his man, slow them down, make them feel you even more than just with the body and, of course, better steals chances plus his man has to worry more bout protecting the ball and might be less aggressive.

Nice video as always, but I think considering his bad rebounding a negative is wrong. He is a SG after all.

@Thanosdidtherighthing

4 жыл бұрын

Anima Pura It’s not the biggest deal in the world but there are plenty of elite rebounding guards like Westbrook or Kobe.

Out of curiousity, what are your all defense guards from this past year?

Fair enough....

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