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@boutinpowered8373

2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed it. Started watching Vanguard when he decided to play Deathwatch. Unfortunately I had a Primaris army and he used all Firstborn and a Knight. But still entertaining even if I kind of gave up on getting some regular big 40k games in anymore. He had a few videos that had some nice breakdowns of the thought process of armies and actions. Good creator. And your stuff has been improving a bunch since the pandemic especially. Been watching it since Beeraknid40k was experimenting with an all Genestealer list. So this new Genestealer cover rules and dash combo with some awesome rending claws is a long time coming. That one warrior with 18 Guants was horrible. I miss Dakka Boy though. I feel like he's taken over your channel and now you're his manager.

that smile during the double hello. very wholesome!

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Oh you. Making me blush!

Triple hello! Easiest for beginners: Space Marines, Necrons, Tau, Tempestus Scions, Harelquins, Ork Nobz ... because you get the first two in the Warhammer: Fireteam box with the cards for the others, and the others can be had with one box each. Small model counts plus handy reference cards and played in a slightly simpler gateway game format.

Was thinking of starting with 6x Tyranid Warriors :) Good analysis for new players. Thanks!

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

6 Warriors seem acceptable to me, but probably not actually as strong as 3 plus a swarm, but good to learn the game on!

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead Also, 6x Tyranid Warriors is _expensive._

Been waiting for this! I’ll keep a look out for a more in-depth at all the factions but this was good.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

There's honestly SO MUCH to talk about but cramming it all into just a few concise videos is tough. Hence my rambley podcast atm

Fantastic video! Love the content and will share this widely. Plus I really like your interplay with Steve. Cheers!

I went with Deathwatch into this Game after having played them mostly in the last Kill Team. I think they are fun, but quite complicated in therms of estimating how good weapons are. Magnetized you can play around with the layout a lot, but a more homogenous team is defiently better for beginners.

@bradp6452

2 жыл бұрын

Deathwatch likely have too many choices for this list.

@jojolowe2019

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradp6452 Ye. Thats what I meant^^ You need to understand a lot of weapon math to fine tune. Meaning, i will build the rest of the infiltrator box i used for kitbashing my custon deathwatch and play with that first maybe^^

@ChopsTV

2 жыл бұрын

I've been playing a lot of deathwatch recently (and the 10 or so games I've played are my first ever war games, so absolute beginner) and the math is Stormbolters on your Warriors. 2-3 of them, at least. You just can't beat Relentless. The only beginner unfriendly thing about them is storm bolters apparently dont come in the deathwatch veterans box, so you gotta buy bits on ebay and that was a weird thing to discover.

@bradp6452

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChopsTV Stormbolters are great standard guns but to get them you have to give up your power weapons so that is the trade off. Hence Grey Knights are just made of kill.

@ChopsTV

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradp6452 yea grey nights are insane. esp with the Astral Aim power. But maybe its a sort of local meta, but combat isnt terribly common. Most of our games are dominated by shooting, so I dont really miss power weapons and the sergeant easily handles whatever melee does occur.

This is really helpful. Simplicity and reducing mental load in play is SO important.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

I am still a bit scared to run over the harlequins' 8 models tbh and wouldn't consider them in a tournament yet.

All your stuff's been really great to help along the learning process. Thanks a ton!

Fantastic video! I have a bunch of different armies because my group played a ton of the first edition. I went with Reivers first because they are simple like you suggested. It also looked like they would be good compared to last edition. Simple options for weapons, but with EP their was room to expand good movement in the game

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

I think that all of the phobos models, with enough smoke grenades, will become a really strong team, not JUST a good beginner team!

Exciting, just got the octarius box the other day. And put together a necron and tyrinids team; also excited my grey knight kill team survived to this edition. Love your content!

Curious why Grey Knights didn’t make the top 5? Seem very friendly with good shooting & melee on each model, and really only needing the same 5 load-outs for the majority of scenarios.

@khorneflakes4446

2 жыл бұрын

Plus they only need 1 box.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, mainly a mistake, also mentally I tie them into "marines". I have an upcoming video talking about gatekeeper lists and GK are on there (I think, been like 2 weeks since I wrote it) so they'll get talked about more soon!

One of the things people don't consider when talking about the new teams is that when entering a tournament you can only select 20 models. This is interesting when you look at say Chaos Marines compared to Space Marines, now CSM get 6 modles with a few options plus 8 cultis, so you take 8 + 12 Marines, a champion 3 bolters 3 melee and then 4 heavies plus something with an icon, but do you go ranged or melee with your cultists. SM however you can chose 4 totaly different units of 5 that are specialists, so you have 4 squads that take on different opponent's. This mixes up game play for both sides and limits each in two very different ways. Now look at Tyranids, on paper they are great, but with genstealers being 5, warriors 3 and swarm units 8, the mix in a 20 squad is very limited. Do you take all shooters/melee in the swarm or a mix. If you want 10 genstealers then you can't take the 8 swam and 3 warriors. Each fraction looked at from a 20 roster is an interesting way to go rather than this look at a single game. What do you think?

@nastybadger

2 жыл бұрын

I know this is not about beginner games but I just wanted to point it out and see if you could consider a video of the better fractions taking this into consideration.

@boutinpowered8373

2 жыл бұрын

About the Tyranids roster. You take one Termaguant with a Devourer and it counts as two Guants. This is how you fit 10x GS with 3 Warriors and 7 Guants on your Command Roster.

Well done! Very informative and some excellent points made. Thanks!

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Interesting picks! I kinda had the opposite thought on Death Guards movement though: to me, being slower makes the decision of where to move even more important, because they have less flexibility to reposition which means you have to be more careful and really think about where you're committing to moving on the board. Which can still be a good learning tool for beginners!

@3dLuck

2 жыл бұрын

how are they slow? they move 8 due to bell, then dash so 11 in total and then they can shoot

@machinamawatcher

2 жыл бұрын

@@3dLuck might want to take a closer look at the profiles. Only the leader has a base move of 6" (a characteristic many believe to be a typo). All the other marines and the poxwalkers have a base move of 4". The bell buff merely brings them up to the movement normal marines have and gives them average marine movement. And having played them a fair bit now, I can say that it is impractical at best to gain more than maybe 1-2 rounds of solid benefit from the bell. After that initial turn you're likely only getting the benefit of the bell on 1, perhaps 2 models as you really need to spread your marines out for objectives.

Oh and if you will start learning Kill Team from DG or Tau, then in the future you will be able to change your fire teams to 8 Poxwalkers / 12 Tau Operatives and drones. And if you will take 5 space marines, then you will always have simple these the same space marines, consisting of one fire team.)

I found Druchari very strong; the tactic that allows them to get a free dash on moving can get them within killing distance quickly, and the tactic that allows wyches to turn enemy attacks into parries on a 4+ is really good.

Thanks for the advice . My son wanted to get death guard for his first team and was worries they would be hard to play , now I know they are a good option I am more happy to get some

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

The durability will keep him from not being punished too much by mistakes!

Yaaaaa I'm going to recommend this to everyone interested in killteam!

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Hope it helps, thanks!

Really great video, super helpful. Maybe time to change up the bgm?

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

bgm?

Damn, I have watched a whole 2 seconds of this video - IS that the Frostgrave table the Terrain Tutor made?!

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

It is! Me and Steve played a game on it over on his channel :)

Good content, as always, and loving this collaboration

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! See you sunday at BMC, I assume!

@40kpunk45

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead yep - I’ll be there getting my tau butt whipped by tyranids by the looks of it 😂 see you there!

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

@@40kpunk45 Hey, I'm only taking GK because I think my games will be quick so I can hang around and chat more. Consider me a free win :P

Absolutely brilliant video thanks guys. Really helpful for a noob like me.

My two favourite WH gurus! Love your work fellas. Top content

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It was great fun to record all of these :)

The dynamic duo! Great video!

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Hopefully I can get back to them soon!

Two Marine teams from one box sound like a tempting choice.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

I also think they're a pretty decent team. They're not THAT killy, but as they are Phobos marines they can use the smoke grenade which is a great positional tool

I’ve converted my kids’ KillTeams and they are now balanced in KT2.0! Last night I had an AMAZING game - a DeathGuard KillTeam of 2 fire teams of Plague marines (4 plague marines) vs a SpaceMarine Intercessors KillTeam: DG’s absolutely blew the SpaceMarines away - but not before the SM’s secured enough objectives - the final turning point a lone Intercessor warrior took out a Plague marine that killed 3 of his brothers (I threw a lot of SM’s at that one darn plague marine) - and then overwatch killed the DeathGuard leader - AWESOME “turning point” - and this one SpaceMarine, being away from combat until this turn, took 10 points damage in a single attack - and then then that was it! End of the final turn(ing point) - and it was a win for the indomitable SpaceMarines, 9-13. One more turn he would have been finished for sure - but that’s what’s so cool about no more “5th turn”.

@ukaszswiniarski7356

2 жыл бұрын

Deathguard can field 5 marines. Compendium states you can "also" take a champion and not "instead"

So, so happy you're doing stuff with Vanguard Tactics these days - now if only DZTV would get in on the Kill Team goodness too.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

This was recorded 2 weeks ago when I was there with them for our 2 stream days. Hopefully we can get more done still!

Custodes are the ultimate safety net team for beginners. I ran CSM against them and they ate my cultists for lunch. I wasn't prepared for how powerful they are 😂 Have a game plan for next time though.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

That's how we learn! tbf they munch through the marines too in that situation :'(

Technically speaking the 5 man custodes box is two and a half fireteams :)

TYRANIDS and DEATH GUARD!!! SWEET!!!

Bit of a math correction, a 5+++ is a 50% increase in survivability, not 33%. It follows the formula 1/(1-FNP) where FNP is the fraction of wounds saved, in this case 1/3 DG then have 18 effective wounds, not 16

Thanks for the upload. Is this still viable in 2023 please ? Been recommended interceptors but wifey would like to play and likes the Tau stealth suits?

@GlassHalfDead

Жыл бұрын

Hey hey! Tau Stealth suits are fine, but they suffer from a few key issues, which is that they are only 6 models and with 2APL each. They're cool, and they can kill a bunch, and they're really tough to shoot back, but they will struggle to actually "win" any games.

For Marines... I would actually argue that Intercessors are a better option to start with. Most especially for the Equipment. They have less specialist equipment to deal with, and if you select all 1 weapon there is no actual difference.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

I get what you're saying and to that I agree. BUT I legit think phobos armour is stronger than any of the other primaris options due to access to smoke grenade. Now obvs this is a beginner faction guide so top tier strength is irrelevant, but the smoke grenade is also a great learning tool. As you figure out how important being able to place your own cover dynamically throughout the game is you will become a better player with every faction, I believe :)

@Solais76

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead I see what you're saying. And when it comes to smart equipment plays, I agree with your assessment of Phobos Armor marines. However, with AP being quite strong too, I feel Intercessors being blessed with weapons of both P1 and AP1...

Glad for this as i am trying to get others into KT. Any changes to this list one year later?

I would ad that necrons are a really good faction to start to, even if they're not as elite they are durable and do not have many weapons options

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I think that's a good point. Easy to collect models alongside marines, durable in a different way, slow and steady wins the race.

Compared to the other four, DG came up a bit short. Only Digustingly Resilient and slow movement. I was curious about the Fire Team composition and weapon loadout.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

That's fair. At the time, I'd felt I'd repeated the durability thing a bit too much. To cut a long story short, Poxwalker spam in the middle to play the primary, they're not even for fighting tbh. Your marines run around completing tacops, whether they be the killing or the actions.

@maxpowers7606

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead great video nonetheless :)

I have nothing useful to say but in order to feed the algorithm I will ask how Dakkaboy feels about being used for the title card yet not actually featuring in the video?

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

He's loving it. He was used to fool people, very orky, very kommandoey

Very good vid, bu I disagree with the Space Marine proposal. I would propose Intercessors to a newbie, you got just enough choice to learn how to build a roster and the E2B Intercessors are available for pretty cheap on the secondary market (hell you can even get 1 for free in any GW store....)

Have you tried/seen 6 Stealth Suits on the table yet? I love the idea, but I'm a bit concerned they won't have enough APL to clear objectives.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you! They're not a tournament winning team once everyone knows how to play the game. But right now, understanding their camo field will force new players to really understand the pros and cons of swapping to that engage order.

@mattbrown5234

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead Fair enough. My initial practice games will likely be 5 stealth suits, gun drone, and shield drone vs 5 Infiltrators. I'm looking forward to it. All stealth suits is basically my dream team that I wish worked better, super sneaky Tau spec ops + drone support is what first interested me in the last game.

Planning on getting 6 tyranid warriors for my kill team… they look a bit broken

2:58 two kill teams one box is my kinda video

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

As long as people don't realise the phobos marines are powerful, it's okay! :D

Space Marines Custodes Tau Tyranids Death Guard

Orks and Necrons are great teams. Durable and hitty.

Steve is such a freakin chad! Handsome AF

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully I didn't steal his glory too much ;)

@boutinpowered8373

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead yeah, I couldn't see the other guy from the glare. :p

@TheRainfield

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead Mr.Glass, you are always precious, And i look forward to seeing you everytime u upload anything. I would like tho to hear what you think about Melee and the purpose of Parry when its 2 powerful melee units pitted against eachother.

A quick question about the camouflage field from the stealth suits, which isnt clear to me with its wording: can for example a Death Korps Spotter use his ability to let another guardsmen shoot a concealed stealth suit? Would be great if someone could clarify!

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

A fair question! So we have a conflict of rules here and it's really going to come down to the FAQ and which way GW rolls out of bed that day. for my upcoming tournament, I'm going to have to make a few judgement calls just so everyone is playing the same game, but I'm going to rule this as the Camo field takes priority.

@r_4_k-drone4321

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead We have "(..) regardless of any other RULES" for Camouflage Field, however Spotter doesn't have a rule, he gets ACTION. So, RAW Camouflage Field cannot deny Spotter action (since it is action, not a rule), right?

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

@@r_4_k-drone4321 if the argument is that an action isn't a rule then you've lost me. An action simply applies rules. Unless kill team is using such a bizarre version of technical English that is bamboozled me, an action is a rule. Again, I don't know which way GW will go with this and I can totally see the argument you're making, but until I get told by GW I wouldn't want to break "regardless of any other rules".

Do daemons suck now? I haven’t had a chance to look at the rules yet

I think 6 warrior nids might not be a great choice unless you have the models from 40k. Most expensive single models I think in the game.

@prizrak69

2 жыл бұрын

So this is the "Kill Team's Top 5 Beginner Factions" video and not "Kill Team's Top 5 the cheapest Factions" 😅

@bradp6452

2 жыл бұрын

@@prizrak69 You are correct but it is quite an outlier in price it is not a try out the game list. Deathwatch or Pathfinder kill teams are under 40 dollars retail. That 6 warrior kill team is 110 dollars. You can do 20 man rosters of most factions for that.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradp6452 That's a valid point, it's not the most beginner friendly list. I was more thinking of the genestealers here. But also, tbf, 40k has a lot of whales and a lot of people don't mind picking up 2 boxes of warriors.

@bradp6452

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead Yeah and some magnets for weapon swapping if you are in a strict environment and need to shift load outside without dropping another 55 dollars. I have 9 warriors currently but 3 are converted to hive guard and my kits are from before the bone swords were part of the plastic set. In my defense 6 of those are from a tyranid assault brood box that was 6 warriors, 3 fexes, 16 stealers, 16 termigaunts, and 16 homogaunts for like 180 bucks retail so like 145 after standard discount.

oooh doble hellos on Vanguard Tactics are tight!

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Nice!

Good to see Steve back. Legit!

What about Kroot? I mentioned to a friend that I wanted to make a Kroot KT since I thought they were interesting so we looked at the rules. They appear to be fairly good, with my friend buying everything he needed for a KT that night and getting them ready for local games. So far he's 3-0!

@Longsamkolhydrat

2 жыл бұрын

They are interesting in the new kill team but they are most definitely not durable which they prioritized

@n7xranger

2 жыл бұрын

@@Longsamkolhydrat If you keep them in cover they'll have a 4+ save with Masters of Camouflage. Their shooting is decent and the Krootox looks like an awesome unit.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't played as or against kroot (silly, as I have the army!), but they look totally fine to me, just like nay other faction. A lot of models on the board that you can get to 4+ as you say. I don't think they'll have any problems!

@Longsamkolhydrat

2 жыл бұрын

​@@GlassHalfDead@N7xRanger I've played Kroot (and only Kroot since i like the models and lore) for two casual campaigns in our local store in the first edition kill team (got stomped first campaign and actually got decent results in the second) and two matches in Octarius and they are definitely better and more fun to play in Octarius.​ I know i'm new to the game but they are quite fragile in most cases, even if they can hit hard.

@Longsamkolhydrat

2 жыл бұрын

They are fun with the Hound's improved movement speed and the Krootox.

More collaboration with Vanguard Tactics please.

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

Will if we can!

"Fusillade" is pronounced füziyad ;)

Going to guess before I watch. 5 easiest. Harlequins Grey Knights 10 genestealer Kommandoes

@NightfallTH

2 жыл бұрын

uffffff

@GlassHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

So you've obviously thought "which factions can stay concealed" and gone with those. Totally fair and actually I agree with you. The ability to stay concealed regardless of a vantage point is super strong against beginners, and this is indeed a beginner video! I think as we progress, these issues will go away as we, as a community, figure out how to beat these core concepts, but for now as we're all noobs, pretty good!

@JasperXoR

2 жыл бұрын

@@GlassHalfDead Actually was "off the cuff" broad overview. I can wrap my head around these armies quite quick. Where Tau, Thousand Sons, SM just because it's more like 6? factions, I can't so easily wrap my head around how to play them. Necron might be simple too?. Only now thought of the conceal factor. Just looked at GK after watching an online batrep. Stormbolters with RELENTLESS. Simple and effective. psychic not real confusing just buff up if you have the APL, everyone has good melee options, if you pick non-optimal you're still good. Just now starting to watch.

@JasperXoR

2 жыл бұрын

Hilarious. None of these!

@NightfallTH

2 жыл бұрын

@@JasperXoR no worries, I was even so unsure, I didn’t even want to guess. XD

Talk to much....