Pretty cool that Kicker has their manuals all the way to back then still on the site. In the mean time some companies can't even get specs published for their current products. Guess they have to wait for the cookie cutter to report back... 🍪👨‍🍳

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

You are so right! Same owner since 1973 and they are still killing the game!

@bobdodge3171

3 жыл бұрын

That is something all that's been in for the long haul should do.. Even if they been passed around..

@leonray

3 жыл бұрын

Love some old school amps. These models are just a bit before my time. I started with two of the black Impulse amps, then got a ZR240. Kicker amps looked so awesome

@MurderousMindstate

3 жыл бұрын

I figured out why these chinese cookie cutter amps are all rated sopoorly, and why companies don't change them. You see, it cost nothing to add your brand or logo, website etc. They have white labels for that data input. However, to change the box, packaging, manual, etc... you must pay extra fees. Now company A has to charge more than company B with the same amp but lower numbers in the data. All is good so long as you are truthful correct? But wait... once consumers realize you have same amp, charging more. They will just go buy the liars amp anyways cause it is cheaper.

@bobdodge3171

3 жыл бұрын

@@MurderousMindstate right.. If i "made" a amp from China.. They told me 50 watts rms.. I'd send it to someone.. If it put 30watts rms.. I'd call it 20 watts rma.. Even if it's rolling of a assembly line they all are not all the same.

These Old School Kicker amps are stuff dreams are made of.

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Day pretty cool 😎

@agonydaddy

3 жыл бұрын

@@wal hey let me know I got a DX700 let me know If you wanna try it!

@tlinrin887

3 жыл бұрын

Yes they where, back in 1996 thr Crutchfield catalog was almost as good as a playboy.

@dancingwiththedogsdj

3 жыл бұрын

Sweet dreams are made of these..... 😂❤️❤️❤️

@fatstacks89

3 жыл бұрын

The new kicker amps are even better

So crazy that back in 90s we used to run four subs in 300-500 watts and that ish use to bump!!

@Jules_73

2 жыл бұрын

I was in the 251-500 class in IASCA using these Kicker cheater amps. I was running 4 12" kickers running at 1 ohm and would shake the buildings I was next to. Kicker amps were beast back then.

I bought one in 1998 and loved it but what made me love kicker / stillwater designs was I was missing the cover cap and contacted them about buying one . They sent me one for free . Even the shipping they took care of . Miss those simpler times !

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@dwdivesandfinds2745

3 жыл бұрын

I have a couple audio mags from the 90's

Thanks for providing these videos man, there’s not many if any people doing stuff like this. Thanks

Showing how some old school gear runs today is awesome. I was a teenager in 96 and just getting into car audio. I always swore that the older stuff sounded way better and louder than stuff available today. Maybe it's just euphoric recall. If you can get your hands on some Soundstream stuff from the 90's when it was made in Folsom Ca. would be really cool. The Soundstream SPL series subwoofers were always my favorite. Keep up the cool content Big D.

My buddy found a old module in his storage. We had a good laugh reminiscing 😂

It's so cool seeing amps that existed before I ever knew or cared about car audio. My guess is 138.5 db on the floor with the windows slightly open.

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for saying that as car audio history is my passion

Bringing back the good old days seeing that amp with modules Big D! I guess you'll hit 143.2 burp. Thanks for keeping the old school alive!

128 DB is my guess :) love the old stuff from the days I used to do competition! I used A/D/S/ amps but always loved the kicker stuff!

137 db is my guess. Love the old school car audio. Everything from the amps to subs and pullout decks and builds. Show more. Love the channel

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

@mikewhite4541

3 жыл бұрын

@@wal so what do win? Lol. I love car audio especially old school stuff.

I have a old school X100s I still use today. Works beautiful!

I had 2 of these amps so I could compete in the 100 watt USAC class, I was so stoked and absolutely loved them. This video was super nostalgic for me, thanks for posting!!!!!

watching the old classic amp being tested sure bring back good memories when I was in the business .. still run my Rockford Fosgate PR250's .. lol BEERS!!!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

yeah boi!

I love the simple look of the old school amps, function over form for the win!

Absolutely love the kicker XS and ZR series amps

What a gem man glad u were able to show it to us

Man takes me back. I remember seeing these and wishing I could buy one. And yeah, the low efficiency of these early class-B's. I remember having a JBL that I was running below its rated impedance in bridged mode. Made a shitload of power but man was it inefficient. The headlights would almost go out on bass hits. Made the car look like a disco going down the road. After I got done using it I opened it up and it looked like Chernobyl inside. Just hot melty plastic in the bottom from the transformer bobbin and lots of black resistors and board traces. Amazingly it still worked despite being grilled into oblivion.

Love the channel! this was surprising. I remember competition amps being really weak at 4 ohms then going way over rated power at lower impedance.

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! See the initial SPL run here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

My ex still runs my old 90s model profile Amp. Runs like a charm daily

I remember reading that edition of Car audio magazine.

I’m gonna say you’ll hit about 140.3db. Great video! Made me reminisce about my first amps in the early 90’s. I had a couple of Acoustic 380’s with 4 Acoustic 10’s. Wasn’t the greatest but sure beat the brakes if my 6x9’s I had before that. I’m in my 50’s now and still play it loud my 11 yr. old Kenwood 1800 watt amp on my Alpine 12” sub. “If it’s too loud, your too old” and I still can’t visualize when I’ll reach an age where that’s true. Keep it up 👍.

These are my favorite videos...reliving my youth I suppose. Right on Big D.

Houston Texas reporting for duty!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

👌😬👍

Also loved my punch 360 dot 6. That was a great amp

Awesome video love the old school Amps I am still bumping the zr600 with sub crossover module and I still have the original box for the amp

I'll guess 142.8. Speaks to the quality of the components in these old school amps that they can still take a beating 25 years after they were built. Very cool video Dereck!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed on the quality! See the first run here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

A good old school amp to test it a alpine v12 because I have one and I want to see what power it puts out Love your videos so much

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/iHqnysGNdbO7faw.html

An amp i remember a lot of people having in the late 90's early 00's was a "Punch 200"? It bumped everything everyone had.

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that amp is a killer for sure

@JonathanLopez-tw8ef

3 жыл бұрын

Punch 900

@michaelhollon5332

3 жыл бұрын

I had a Punch 60ix, between me and my friends it took some intense abuse for years and refused to die!

@bobdodge3171

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelhollon5332 bought a iron waffle punch 40.. Let my friend used it.. He had gear oil leak on it.. It died.. Fosgate repaired it free.

@redman4076

3 жыл бұрын

I was a Punch 150 guy early 90's that amp handled EVERYTHING I threw at and it never broke a sweat It was the center of many keg parties back in the day 🔊🔊🔊👍🏽👊🏽✌🏽💯

My 85 s10 blazer had 4 of the XS100 on 8 of the XPL 15s in a sealed clamshell B Pillar wall and was consistent 158 - 159 legal back in the mid 90s. Ive still got the score sheets from a few of the shows it was at

I had one of these running some jl audio components back in the day. Was a great little amp.

BigD!! What up, y0? Got an update on the Mc yet? That's my jam, bro!

I remember these amps back in the day back when car audio felt special to have and subs performed so well and you didn’t need ten k to be someone with a banging system

@Playaflydre

3 жыл бұрын

You clearly werent paying attention lol did you not see those prices in the mag?? Lol stop it. Car audio was way more expensive back in the day compared to today lol

@jasonjackson329

3 жыл бұрын

@@Playaflydre Lol wtf its still just as expensive you must not be paying attention

@Playaflydre

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonjackson329 $599 for a 50×4?? Again stop it

@jasonjackson329

3 жыл бұрын

@@Playaflydre I guess you’ve never owned or bought anything higher end in car audio cause you’re stuck on thinking cause its got low power numbers that means it’s not worth the money well you should expand your research on higher end amps like Audio Art or Xtant or something it’s not always bout quantity it’s quality over quantity

@Playaflydre

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonjackson329 neither of those companies sell 4ch amps at that price with that low of output. Thanks for ASSumming you know what i have or know. Again stop it

For a 25 year old amp its super clean inside and still hit rated power numbers pretty dam amazing BIG D 🔥🔥🔥🔥👍

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Kicker quality showing off here!

Hey- thanks again for your content. Awesome stuff! I got a lot of those magazines from back then- I saved them to keep an q&a article I was featured in, as a teen, asking questions about band pass boxes. If you want to get some stuff to borrow for your show- let me know. Cheers

My guess is 136.4, good luck.

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, that would be pretty good with the power here. I'm hoping for a little more, but we'll see...

@AlexGtheDon

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking around that, but considering its an efficient enclosure with 4 12's in close quarters in a truck... the box can give +6 dB... I say 140-142. We will see.

@TheRedDeadRat

3 жыл бұрын

So many variables. How are you testing Big D? At the windscreen? Headrest? Windows up or down?

@AlexGtheDon

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRedDeadRat Testing at the windscreen/dashboard with windows closed is the correct way to test. According to the old IASCA rules

Reminds me of my ZR I had back in the day. The heatsinks on those old Kickers were awesome, they made the amp heavy as hell but they were so good at sucking up any heat. Man do I miss it, those amps would run any sub you threw at it at 1ohm all day no problems.

Love your content! My first system was 2 12" and 2 15" Mohawks, on a 400w Audiovox amp. sounded qmazing. And got pretty loud. My best was a 151.4. If I had to guess I'd say you are gonna pull the same 151.4.

142.3 is my guess. Love the amp dynos, keep up the good work!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

More optimization coming, but here is the initial run kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

Amazing really that kicker is still doing the same thing today, for example with their key amps. Back in the 90s to have those swappable modules must have been quite unique.

I had one of these on 4 10s back in 1996 in a ext cab Toyota with a walk thru and a snug top. It slammed!

Killing me boss my first amp was a 200si and my second a xs50. The good old days paying well over a dollar a watt and happy to do it😂😂love this channel👍🏻👍🏻

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome brother, the nostalgia is strong!

Cool video! Its fun to see old hardware being put to the test. And my guess is probably anywhere between 115 and 130 dbs.

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

See the result of the initial run here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

Man I miss all my old school kicker amps I had all the zr models from the zr120 to the zr1000 I had the kicker xs 100 the kicker dx350 and even the kicker zx460 this was when kicker was really all about competition

Love these ole cheater amps.used them a bunch in spl contests all over indiana during the 90s.droppn' the ohms greatly impacts wattage for a short burst for comp... I guessin' 147.8

A friend of mine in high school had a Kocker amp. Don't know the model...but she was a beast!! I'm willing to bet you'll pull a 145 off the glass

I had the MTX 225 HO 25x2 and 700x1@1ohm I believe loved that amp

141.3dB is my guess. Love that combination of new and old school!

134.7db in the sequoia!!! Str8 bangin!!! Just another great video as always! If you're not learning something new everyday, well you're doing it wrong my friends..... Thank you. Big D!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

check dis kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

I had this amp. It had a sheet with it that said it put out 442 watts to 1 at 1 ohm. Had 2 kicker comp 12’s from 1996 hooked up to it. That was one of my favorite systems. Also hooked up two round solo baric 15’s for a week and that was very loud! Even tho it was way under powered. Pissed off a lot of people lol

I've got a XS50 and ZR120 in my oldschool 92 b2200 90s minitruck build. oldschool kicker amps are awesome 🔥

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Sweet! See the SPL test here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

@michaelmacdonald2066

3 жыл бұрын

@@walawesome I hit 127.29 db at 55hz sealed with 2 solobaric l7 8s on my xs50 in sealed boxes. which I don't think Is too bad considering the age of the gear and the fact that they are not ported.

Love those amps man, made me remember my old days of wanting what I couldn’t afford! I would guess 145 db?

I had one of these on 4 mtx thunder 5000 12's back in the day in a regular cab 1988 S-10, banged pretty hard actually

I have a Kicker X100 in my closet if you ever want to test it. I worked for Rolling Thunder here in Vegas and we were the #1 Kicker dealer in the country so they sent us 2 X100's and 2 X50's to do real world testing on them and that's is where my X100 came from. I had it on 6 Kicker C15's and was tearing up the 0-150 class up and down the west coast. Heck I even have a few Kicker XS 100's in my closet that I was using in the 250-500 watt class back in the day.

So cool! Back in the day I put a Punch 45 on 9 G&S Redlines in my wife's new Taurus. Not loud but smooth.... Later swapped out the Punch for a US Amps X50 ( exterminator 50 I believe). The system went quite a bit louder:)

Super cool! Love seeing the stuff that I grew up with! 124db my guess!

Same old stuff Glad to see your back after it

My guess would be right around 127. Awesome video as always!!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

See the initial run here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

I had 3 of these amps back when with a 6 jlw6's. It was insane.

Its one brand i couldn't get my hands on for my collection. But do love the early gens ☺👍

138.8 db. subs facing up, port toward rear @ 47 hz. Back in 97' did a 129.0 with orion hcca225 and pair of cerwin vega xl12D's in a 91 Grand Prix

137.5 spl number. Thanks D!! Great video

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

I loved these amps. I had (I think) a zr500 running 4 comp 12s and it was amazing. I currently have a kicker 1000.1 running 2 compR 12s and it sounds great. But something about that old kicker stuff just rubs me the right way.

Cheater Amps. Love them. Had a Crossfire myself with a pair of Autotek 12's. Was a nice setup for 1997-98

In the sequoia, 121 db. Lowballing but thinking of cabin gain. My first system was a pioneer 25w x4, 50w x2 bridged at 4 ohms, pushing two audiobahn dub 700 watt 12s... that old pioneer amp blew those subs. No surprise though, audiobahn was all show. Leaned my lesson later, pushing 1200 watts into an immortal awis 12j (rated 2000 rms, quad 2ohm coils) that went up in sweet sweet voice coil smoke

I'd say about 100 db at the front seat. Hard to say exactly without knowing the test distance and other variables but if I had to guess I would say "it do bump doe". Nice old school find. Reminds me of my old Clarion 50 X2. It was tiny but still a champ for adding a little grunt to a factory set up. Wish I still had it. I would love to see one dynoed. 👏

Looking forward to the XS50 test. I'm guessing it will do a lot more power. I'm going to guess 140.3 dB with the X50S on the quad box

Nice to see it's still Kick'n it out!!! Gotta love the old school cheaters. My guess, it will be just a hair over 140db - I'll peg my guess at 143db...

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

142.1 had to change it I saw a 142. That Kicker amp is made like the old soundstream where the fets are attached through the board to the heat-sink on top. Very efficient for heat dissipation

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

Remember those Amp having flash back of my days at Audio Express 😏😏

I used to have a kicker xs100 in 99' runnin 3 jl 12w3s. That amp was the most amazing things I ever ran. If you can get a hold of one I'd love to see a dyno test on it.

My guess on the db in the sequoia would be 137.2db love the channel big D keep up the good work!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

@devinmcalister1239

3 жыл бұрын

@@wal that's great! so close!!

Nice looking old school amp. Reminds of style back then. Harman kardon ca100, or ads, soundstream amps. Great sounding and I would run still if available. 👍😁😷

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting!

126.8 spl great video as always. Thank you

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

see my first try here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

what were the 2 huge (for the inside of n amp) omron relays probably doing??

I predict 138 Db, that was my best in 1987. A Rockford 50x4 amp driving a Boston Acoustics three way component set and a PP 200 driving four 10" Pyle's in a Chevy van. My first big installation. Good times!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

138spl. Have you tested an hcca225 poptop? I have one with a module. Not sure how the module works. Thanks for making these videos.

I had a bunch of amps from the 90's have 2left and one is what you are looking for but it's hooked up

136.2db Big D, awesome video!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Good guess! kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

142.7db my guess. I wish I knew where my old hifonics vulcan amp went years ago. I'd send it to you to test. As always great video.

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

See my initial run here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

What do you measure your SPL with? Term lab, b&k, audio control??? In the kick panel(outlaw) or 12" over and 4" up(UASC, DbDrag), Or at the headrest(IASCA SQ)?? Termlab will do around 135 on the windshield, 137 in the kick. 140ish on the Audiocontrol at the windshield 144 in the kick. B&K will be around 132 on the windshield? 134 in the kick.

Definitely ol skool was were it was at. I couldn't afford to drive to ISAC comps but A few little local shops got USAC to come do a event. My first amp was a road gear cheapo from Walmart. I loved kicker but don't hate MTX XTANT was my choice. BIG D`s Quad Spl will be 110db depending on how he puts the box in the sequoia. Gj with the vid as always.

Used to drool over these in Crutchfield. High school w/ a minimum wage job meant I couldn’t afford them. Ended up buying US Acoustics instead and wasn’t disappointed.

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t see these versions in Crutchfield, but I know what you mean

@Bob_Smith19

3 жыл бұрын

@@wal may have been in Car Audio. Still couldn’t afford them at the time. McIntosh was what I really wanted.

I vote a 144 db for the kicker amp, pumped to see the results 😬

Definitely a classic.. brings back memories of having a small fortune in stereo equipment that cost more than the car itself.. 112db or 128db...

@AlexGtheDon

3 жыл бұрын

I did 133 dB with two MTX Blue Thunder 10's and a PPI A200 @ 200W in my MX-3 back in 1995. I think he will do more.

i bet its scary pounding those old amps.... that said, im still running Sony XM-4040, XM-4520 and a XM-3020 from the early 90's to this day. :)

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

yes, it's true!

Ok this might sound stupid but I won’t know if I don’t ask. What are Tiffany style rca’s and how are they better than normal one’s?

I have an old Orion 425 HCCA, so I'll guess 142.5 db. Love your videos

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

remember today's pressure sensors are around 6dB quieter than the old SPL mics. See my result here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

crazy how far car audio has come in 15 short years

Never had a kicker amp, but did have 2 kicker comp 12’s with 2 kicker comp 10’s in the hatchback of an ‘89 Dodge Daytona on an HCCA 225! My guess 131db.

Maybe we can get an East Coast meet-up next Spring. Should be in the safe zone by then!!! Like to see that Kicker Quad in person

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

yeah man, this would be sweet. Hope we are good by then too!

@Highqman1974

3 жыл бұрын

@Frank Bonazza III Maybe we could leave 2 sided Politics out of it, and work on getting us all better HOWEVER each person sees fit. Then we can have some go Old School times!!

Old school? Say what?! Those amps are absolutely a very unique, yet simple design. Reminiscent of bits and pieces I've seen from a/d/s, PG, but all Kicker OG.

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

And here y’all think he forgot about Dre

Back in the day there were the bee's knees! Also old high current cadence amps use to do good too! Not sure how well cadence does now but in the late 90's they slammed!

Best guess is going to be between 130-140db. 350ish watts with 4 86.7db sensitive 600 watt speakers. That box and Sequoia are gonna need to add some rise to reach 150.

Looking forward to you one day testing a JL HD600 or one of the new VXi amps.

Are you going to do a Dyno test on the New Rockville Krypton M-3 4000 watt Amplifier?

Hi @Williston Audio Labs Can you recommend me an car amp with this? -digital -mono -about 3000rms at 2 ohms. -quiet -as tiny as possible. -as cheap as can (less than 450$ is ok). Thanks a lot ^^ I'm actually powered a JBL GTI 700w 3 ohms with a Rockford 1001bd and need more power.

138.50 in the kick 136.90 on the glass outlaw for both...... sealed 134. I'd love to see this combo 40 though, that would be cool!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

sealed up on the windshield, test 1 kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html

123.5 db is my guess. I had a soundstream reference 1000 in the early 2000s I had in a 91 T bird and got 138.8 db with two 12s. I have gotten higher after that,but I love the charm of these old school amps!

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImCztCLk8avYLw.html