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Stop skirting around any strong opinions keir, its so annoying Keir I was pleased when you got in but rapidly becoming disillusioned. Don't get me wrong, will vote for whoever gets rid of the tories but you are uninspiring, especially on brexit

@Sean-xy4hk

2 жыл бұрын

Lol Keir is no different from the Tories, look at his record as director of public prosecutions

I don't think that the election results is an achievement of the Labour Party, it's the negative achievement of the Tories. Labour is boring and not labour friendly anymore and they are missing clear stands to important topics. The LibDems have a much clearer stand to Brexit and other topics. Starmer is a good talker but missing the action....

@SlowhandGreg

2 жыл бұрын

They've put forward an economic stance under Rachael Reeve "The Everyday Economy" Its a million miles from Thatcherism and low taxes for the top They've put forward a stance on Brexit which is more alignment with the EU to vastly reduce the paperwork crippling business a Veterinary deal alone would sort out the NI protocol And a green new deal to move from fossil (Norway has 93% renewable and 3% inflation) Johnson and his client media suck nearly all the media Oxygen out of the system, the same happened with Trump over in the US

@moomin7461

2 жыл бұрын

In what way are they boring? If you mean they're not bogged down in sleaze like the Tories, isn't that a good thing? Politics is a serious matter and this country is in chaos. The message I took from this interview is that Starmer wants to get the economy growing again and it is going take a huge amount of time and effort to sort out the mess we're in. To do that we need serious- minded politicians who are going to focus on fixing the economy.

He barely answered a single question. It's very difficult to know what he believes because of this approach. Mick Lynch on the other hand answers every question because he knows what he believes in and what his mission/job is. Neither men are particularly charismatic, but one of them has beliefs...

@SlowhandGreg

2 жыл бұрын

They've put forward an economic stance under Rachael Reeve "The Everyday Economy" Its a million miles from Thatcherism and low taxes for the top They've put forward a stance on Brexit which is more alignment with the EU to vastly reduce the paperwork crippling business a Veterinary deal alone would sort out the NI protocol And a green new deal to move from fossil (Norway has 93% renewable and 3% inflation)

@PrimusPete

2 жыл бұрын

@@SlowhandGreg fair enough but doesn't change the fact he barely answered any questions. Every answer was side step away from the actual question

@SlowhandGreg

2 жыл бұрын

@@PrimusPete couple of things First 75% of the media are seamless with the Tories there just blatant propaganda tools there's a great video by Byline called the Billionaires bitch Second I've worked with no end of managers and he comes over as a team leader not afraid to put people in post who will lead at that department, Reeve is an economist graduate from the LSE

@PrimusPete

2 жыл бұрын

@@SlowhandGreg okay, good comment but it still doesn't address my concerns...

@andrewwalsh2755

2 жыл бұрын

Kier Starmer: Labour's version of Uncle Colm from Derry Girls...

Over half hour of this establishment woodentop... good grief

Wakefield election Lab 2017: 22,987 votes Lab 2019: 17,925 votes Lab 2022: 13,166 votes And Keir Starmer is all but doing a victory lap.

@andrewburridge5958

2 жыл бұрын

I know some people struggle with this but Labour just won Wakefield, in 2019 we lost it. Winning elections is actually better than losing them. Hope that helps.

@alexbradley730

2 жыл бұрын

Turnout is always lower during by elections so there is no point in comparing them to general elections

@petrockstoreowner9421

2 жыл бұрын

He's doing a victory lap cus he won the seat lmao

@williampugh1489

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexbradley730 in 2017 labour won 49.7% of the vote this time round they won 47.9% bearing in mind that labour lost the GE in 2017 it doesn't look massively optimistic for them this time round

@andrewwalsh2755

2 жыл бұрын

Why to vote for Zionist Labour: Kier Starmer is not as accomplished a liar as Boris Johnson... I think there's something seriously wrong with British politics...

For me, Mark Drakeford is the best intellectual in U.K. politics.

@slomas8863

2 жыл бұрын

i canee disagree

@catgladwell5684

2 жыл бұрын

Thank goodness we have a Labour govt in Wales.

❤❤❤❤❤ Keir...

I will vote labour if they commit to PR. If not then I will vote lib dem even though they have no hope of winning. I do not understand how he doesn't see this as a huge issue and how he has zero ideas as to how to improve it. There are PR systems that retain the constituency link!

Why can he not answer any questions plainly? The tuition fees - anyone have a clue what he answer he actually gave to a direct question? All this ambiguity and obfuscation is quickly turning me off.

'unshakeably in support of NATO' - what a joke

I hope we do have a Labour government but I do not see Starmer in power for more than one term

@franticranter

2 жыл бұрын

If he did win in 2024, and then 2029 after that, he would be 72 by the end of his second term, so even then, two terms seems unlikely

@babymonalisa

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t see him in power for any term! 😂

@andrewwalsh2755

2 жыл бұрын

Labour isn't Labour... It's Zionist Labour... a very different animal. From Kier Hardie to Kier Starmer: I doubt that Kier Hardie would have defended the actions of apartheid Israel, but (for whatever reason!) Kier Starmer is an apartheid Israel denier and defends the indefensible actions of Israel... perpetuating its crimes in the UK, expelling Labour socialists who make a principled opposition to its crimes, falsely labelling them as antisemites. He's a sitting duck for a Mumsnet interviewer, posing truthful questions about his indefensible support for Israel.

Glad to know Keir is allowed on the Big Table.

Blair without the 'charisma' let alone war crime (as it stands) - no ta! + just a reminder: recognizing Palestine & calling out Israeli atrocities does not = antisemitism. RIP Shireen Abu Akleh

@slomas8863

2 жыл бұрын

RIP Shireen Abu Akleh

He's heavy on the hands, like Blair

He's a decent bloke but I think he's in the wrong party. He wants to keep industries privatised and keep us out of the EU but the majority of the Labour Party wants the opposite.

Dissing Jeremy Corbyn is not going to get Labour in goverment.

@andrewwalsh2755

2 жыл бұрын

It's the only policy they've got... Starmer has already played the "Pledge" card and broken every one. Corbyn was honest, so you knew what he stood for... Starmer is dishonest, so who will now believe a word he says?

That will be a U turn them

Whatever one thinks about the way he became leader, Keir deserves a chance to lay out his vision. The problem is he comes across as disingenuous and uninspiring... He is being interviewed by a very sympathetic journalist and she's more interesting than him. Tony Blair was interesting, Obama was inspiring, Andy Burnham sounds like he believes what he says, Keir's just meh. Also Keir does this thing that Boris does...I.e. pretend he was not involved in Labour decision making prior to 2020. Interestingly, his effort to make Labour pro-remain post-Brexit in 2019 was one of the reasons Labour got trounced at the last election.

@andrewwalsh2755

2 жыл бұрын

It a bit like saying: Whatever one thinks about the reasons Putin had for invading Ukraine (fighting Nazis)... he should be given a chance to... Starmer told a pack-of-lies to become elected leader, made & broke pledges and made outrageous judgements... Do we really want to replace one rogue (Boris) with another rogue (Starmer)?

@ac4486

2 жыл бұрын

He has had 2 years to lay out "a" vision. Anything would have been sufficient but Labour offers nothing to vote FOR. Starmer's function isn't to win an election for Labour. It is to drive the left out, so that it is palatable for the big money funders of our two main parties. Evidenced by his constant "I'm not Corbyn" and distance from unions. Starmerism is democratic vandalism.

@theBagheera22

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, pro second referendum was not the reason corbyn stuffed it up. It was his ridiculous fence sitting that got us in this mess. He had to be dragged kicking and screaming to what his members wanted....but he was a lexiteer

@PM-jl4zd

2 жыл бұрын

So true, he was the architect of that dumb policy and then he smugly says 'after we've had the worst election result I am now trying to rebuild the party' he's so slippery

Everything he says is cleverly scripted - you can tell he's trying to come across relaxed and charismatic, but really it just comes across forced. Kier so dull and uninspiring.

after all the media training he must have had and be having, he still comes across really limp and unconvincing

@andrewwalsh2755

2 жыл бұрын

You mean he needs to be a better liar... like Boris?... (before his most recent embarrassment)...

@PokerDuende

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewwalsh2755 no, i mean what i wrote

@PM-jl4zd

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, he's so slippery. He wants to be Blair 2.0, but the problem is, Blair had charisma and Kier doesn't.

Still on the fence about joining the single market! Non committal about Brexit - we really are screwed :-(

@SlowhandGreg

2 жыл бұрын

They've put forward a stance on Brexit which is more alignment with the EU to vastly reduce the paperwork crippling business a Veterinary deal alone would sort out the NI protocol. Best your going to get in 4 years I'd have thought a visa deal would help as well

You gained nothing , the tories lost badly , to pro eu parties

Too scripted, comes across as fake. Would rather Andy Burnham

Starmer: 'This is a huge victory' *wins by less than Corbyn* bruh

@jgsh8062

2 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? Labour's percentage majority in this by election is the biggest since 2001.

@osianevans-sharma2899

2 жыл бұрын

first councils gains since 2014, first polling leads on the economy since 2013, first by-election win since 2012 and first consistent leads in preferred prime minister since 2007, but Starmer's Labour shouldn't be excited?

@williampugh1489

2 жыл бұрын

@@osianevans-sharma2899 labor in 2017 won 49.7% and went on to lose the election.Stammer won 47.9% so to make out this is some sign of coming victory, I feel is disingenuous of stammer.

@williampugh1489

2 жыл бұрын

@JGSH Labour won 49.7% in 2017 and 47.9% this time round.That result is not great considering they lost in 2017

@osianevans-sharma2899

2 жыл бұрын

What you're saying is that Labour has returned to its brief high water mark of 2017 (within 2%, with caveats: a by-election with lower turnout and mid-term); but Labour's majority increased to 18% (in 2017 this was 5%), which suggests that they could win a majority in the country at large. There are lots of things to criticise about the party and Starmer's leadership, but there's no question that going from the worst result since the 1930s to being on course to scrape a majority at the next election is a real achievement

Such a tumbleweed interview…

I will not vote for them without a promise to implement proportional representation

@timhill83

2 жыл бұрын

I hope they do too, but please think again on this. If we all don't vote for whoever we need to at the next election to get this lot out, by the next election we could all be living in something close to a dictatorship.

@andrewwalsh2755

2 жыл бұрын

A promise???.... This guy will Pledge It!!!... (... If you're late to the party, Starmer made a whole bunch of pledges, promises, statements of belief etc to get elected party leader... then, he dropped all the pledges, changed his deeply held beliefs... and started to expel all those whose who believed what he pledged... and were critical of apartheid Israel)... Starmer makes Boris look electable!

@ac4486

2 жыл бұрын

Starmer's promises evidently aren't worth sh*t

@SlowhandGreg

2 жыл бұрын

I'll vote for anyone that will kick out the Tories

@babymonalisa

2 жыл бұрын

His promises are absolutely worthless. He will “change his mind”. He has form on that.

Starmer, starmer, starmer, starmer, starmer, Chameleon. He's a man without conviction.

@SlowhandGreg

2 жыл бұрын

They've put forward an economic stance under Rachael Reeve "The Everyday Economy" Its a million miles from Thatcherism and low taxes for the top They've put forward a stance on Brexit which is more alignment with the EU to vastly reduce the paperwork crippling business a Veterinary deal alone would sort out the NI protocol And a green new deal to move from fossil (Norway has 93% renewable and 3% inflation)

@andrewwalsh2755

2 жыл бұрын

Much like Starmers hero: Sir Tony Blair... the war criminal...

@steveez5717

2 жыл бұрын

@@SlowhandGreg Starmer is returning the Labour party to a party that's reliably obedient to power. It's very important to continue the elite program (pretty much across the spectrum) to destroy Corbyn and everything that he stood for. It's intolerable to elite British opinion that there should be a Labour party that actually responds to its constituents, a Labour party that's concerned with the interests of working people, and works for their benefit, that pursues the policies that won a big Labour majority 2017 - terrifying the establishment! So that has to be killed, and it was killed with a lot of fakery about anti-semitism. The deplorable attacks, others and Starmer carried out, are demonstrative of that obedience to power. A Labour party that is Thatcher lite in the style of Tony Blair, and won't ruffle feathers of either the United States or anyone who's important in Britain.

@SlowhandGreg

2 жыл бұрын

@@steveez5717 2017 was as far as Corbyn could push it the Lib-Dem vote was completely squeezed by 2019 he was dead in the waterT The older working uneducated working class male voters were switching to UKIP (BNP light) those guys are just lost there all on the Rwanda train. No one outside Toryland are going to keep bowing to the big money guys all there eggs are in the Boris basket. The economic path forward is through a push to switch the economy from fossil devolve power to the regions and fire up small businesses who are the lifeblood of the economy outside the City. I'd hope you'd get a raft of legislation on workers rights and an uplift in the minimum wage ban fire and rehire zero hours Non Dom and close down all the fekin tax havens. As an aside I've been listening to a great podcast series called "Origin stories" the last episode I listened to was "Neoliberalism everything is for sale" Its done by a couple of Jurno's on the left absolutely cracking given our conversation its right up your street. Knowledge is power nice talking to you

Still sitting on the fence....A Labour leader......nope just a soft tory

All that talk and Durham police want to fine you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

15:05 this argument for the retention of first part the post is so so cogent. If I have a problem I can take it to my local MP, Andrea Leadsom… Um… Oh…

@franticranter

2 жыл бұрын

It is good to keep some form of constituency link, but it's totally possible to do so under a proportional(ish) system. STV and mixed-member proportional representation keep constituency links whilst making it much more proportional. They're not 100% proportional (and tbh I'm not in support of totally proportional systems anyway, as they tend to fracture politics too much), but they are much more proportional. Heck, even AV would be better than FPTP whilst keeping the constituency link.

I mean I’ll vote Labour whoever is leader but this guy is so underwhelming. Poor speaker, he talks like how I would talk to my toddler. I also get the vibe that he has never read a book about politics or economics because his vocabulary is so limited 😂. Deeply unimpressive political dud, he will only get elected if Boris continues to screw up, not because he is a good politician.

@MarkHopewell

2 жыл бұрын

"I mean I’ll vote Labour whoever is leader" ================================= I used to be like that. Then the wool came up over my eyes after Blair.

@babymonalisa

2 жыл бұрын

Voting for a party regardless of who is leader is what makes the political class take us for granted. Never again.

Future pm

bore Starmer

Where's the Ford report Starmer?

It's incredible how boringly he tells brazen lies.

@andrewwalsh2755

2 жыл бұрын

Inside, he must be squirming... He knows he's got a track record of lies, deceit, dishonesty and indefensible claims (e.g. Israel is NOT an apartheid state, and anti apartheid Israel IS antisemitism). When Mumsnet interview him, and pose the obvious, honest, questions to him... he's Toast Of Tel Aviv...

He’s a real nothing man

Get rid of the Labour Party it’s not fit for purpose