You chemists are some pretty amazing people. It's like magic

Nice video and beautiful end product :)

Where do i get a glass cell like you have ? I have been using large glass pickle jars

damn,that's a great set up man

@ytmachx

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Can you use bleach to replace the sodium or dose it all have to be run through the cell at the same time ?

very nice setup!, I miss making stuff like this!

@pro2a89

Жыл бұрын

i am sure if i tried i woude somehow end up blowing my house up

@nunyabisnass1141

Жыл бұрын

​@@pro2a89it's pretty easy to make with other means, but this method shown in the video is a bit dangerous because thought he's using low voltage, he's still using a high amp density. Special electrodes are needed to survive that amount of current long enough to get an appreciable amount of product. This is why most amateur chemists go for a much safer decomposition and double displacement route.

@pro2a89

Жыл бұрын

@@nunyabisnass1141 im saying i woude find a way to blow up my house somehow

@nunyabisnass1141

Жыл бұрын

@@pro2a89 well, explosionandfire channel somehow did manage to destroy his set up with a small explosion, and he's an actual chemist where as I am not, and I've been running a continuous set up for about three months now. How he did it was I believe he was using cheap and hackneyed things from around the house, and caused a spark that ignited the hydrogen. That's the danger of a sealed apparatus. It looks cool but it's just better to not risk creating that kind of hazard. Anyway, I understood the joke. I was just being a know it all.

is there another way to determine if it is perchlorate? because i dont have methylene blue. i know if you melt potassium chlorate in a test tube and then drop in a bit of sulfur, it will violently react and burn. so i can do this with the finished product and if nothing happens then its perchlorate am i right? thanks.

Hello, can you create a translated video for manufacturing potassium perchlorate? Thank you

Hai,if i use a capacitor as a filter what should be the capacitence I am so jealous about your glass ware Are you from germany"munich" I saw on your glass ware "made in germany " so i am just curious

How can I be sure all the chlorate is gone from the solution?

How many turns on your pi filter and what AWG wire ? what capacitors were used?

How long did you take to build that setup of glassware?

How do you deal with the waste chlorine gas produced?

help . please- trying to build mot for same voltage and amps.what size wire and how many wraps.like your set-up look like you da man.if got patience would like to know bout all the power info you used.i know thats a lot to ask.thanks

Is there a proportion? KCl and Nacl

Can Tantalum be used as an electrode instead of platinum? Do you have any information on the web regarding different electrolysis and the suitable electrodes?

@Dornier335A Yes you can use KNO3 to precipitate the perchlorate. Graphite is not suitible to make perchlorates. But you can make chlorate with graphite, clean it and make perchlorate with an Pt wire as anode

so if you use more than 5V (i asume that it will draw more current too) with potassium chloride will it change anything? also the only way to make potassium perchlorate is to make sodium perchlorate first and then add potassium chloride and so..? Im not that chemistry guy rather than electronics guy so i would like to know a bit "chemistry" too :) Thank you in advance

Can you use a 30volt 5amp lab dc power supply

what... no sugar test???

How do you know how long it must stand on? Can you show us the math for both chlorat and perchlorat?

hey ytmachx i have home ups bateery supply of about 150amps 12 volt supply now i pass the the current through the solution of about 100ml of nacl it shows in the ammeter about 1amp what iused anode of 1mm square platinum electrode how can i increase the current dissipiated through the solution is the area of anode is problem or the volume of electrolyte forget here about the voltage it makes only solution hot i think

How many turns on secondary and what voltage ?

In the last phase when KCL and the electrolyte are combined, what is the matter that appears to collect on the surface? Is that perchlorate too?

great vid, make more

thank you for your reply .What is other transformer for? beside MOT can you give us the schematic for you supply

ok, so I know Pi, 3.14.....but how is that applied to the current in such a way as to filter out wave distortion? is that what all them huge capacitors were doin?

Can an mmo anode and stainless steel cathode produce perchlorate and is there any minimum amp rating I should have?

Thanks for the vid! Can CLO4- be reduced by the evolving hydrogen gas? So can we improve the yield by protecting the cathode by a membrane?

@ytmachx

9 жыл бұрын

The cathode can be made of titanium to further limit corrosion, but 304L stainless is what I use. The anode is the electrode that has the worst corrosion problem.

Thank you for this! How do you decide to you get chlorate or perchlorate product? Is there any way to see how much of the product is perchlorate and how much is chlorate?

@jackmclane1826

3 жыл бұрын

Knowing your process and chromatography/NMR. Other than that... not.

Hello: Please tell me the values of capacitors and choke inductor than you are used in your pi filter. Good job and thanks.

@jackmclane1826

3 жыл бұрын

capacitors BIIIIG, choke laaaaarge! ;) Pretty easy. It doesn't really matter.

hey is this methylene blue the same found at aquarium fish store to cure fungal infections ? i need answer as soon as u can cuz i cant find it here except this blue solution i use for my fish tank thx

@ytmachx Thanks for the quick reply. About the rocket propellant videos that you mention I mostly see the rocket candy type propellant. Then there is a couple of ammonium perchlorate videos which is not so interesting because this can't be easily done at home and ingredients are probably hard to get.

i love this set up, is that a high amp inductor ?

nice reactor vessel $$

Nice video. I'm drawn like a fly to it. :). You could post this over and over and I would still love them. Cathode is that platinum side? Should last very long. How good is a wielding machine for this use? What type is the best? If not why? To everyone: Has any of you tried rocket propellant of sodium/potassium perchlorate/sugar? Would be very very interested to hear about it. Been searching for a video about it for a very long time. Dyng to see one. Cheers Nattsurfaren.

I haven't potassium chloride, it so dificult to obtain it here, in brazil... how may I crystalize the chlorate only using sodium chloride? or other thing similar? thnaks!

@ytmachx thx but i have another question how can i eliminate any chlorate and leave perchlorate i just wanna make ammonium perchlorate can i just use con. h2so4 or there is a better way? and why do u use sodium chloride then make double replacement reaction naclo3 to kclo3 ? i mean y dont u use kcl directly is it faster or something to use nacl instead kcl as electrolyte ? sorry im no chemist so im asking these questions :D thx

are you sure you got KClO4 at the end?KCl combined NaClO3 gives KClO3. Can you explain please?

De qué material son tus electrodos?

yeah, you have some fancy lad equipment. i use to have a few beakers until i broke them with heating them too fast with a torch. i should hav learned from the first time. thats is why i bought a hot plate. i got a new package of science apparell coming in soon so i can do this synthe. i dug out my old charger and cleaned it. i started this synthe. already and have about 11 hours in on the electolysis. even though i vented it, i can smell a strong odor of chlorine gas. im going to move it outside

@ytmachx i can take care when evaporating clo2 like performing outside with wind blown from my back but if i used hcl will it eliminate all chlorates from the solution to be used in ammonium double replacement reaction to convert naclo4 to nh3clo4 last answer please i need ammonium perchlorate its urgent lol and there is another question i searched everywhere but i didnt find answer will perchlorate decomposes if electrolyzed more i appreciate your longanimity -_-

@ytmachx i know that it bleach in a few minutes , the colors i told u i got were just after dropping methylene ok then , why did it ignite with h2so4 after drying the crystals and mix with dextrin (does PH play any rule before drying the crystals?)

Verry nice setup. Cover your electrodes at the top with an inert polymer to prevent corrosion. Where to buy these platiniced electrode? Do you add acid during electrolyce?

@ytmachx hmmmm i forgot asking what will happen if excess hcl is added will it affect perchlorate (i will recrystallize nh3clo4 and wash it, is this enough to eliminate remaining hcl) i just wanna know enough about what im doing for i dont wanna damage anything lol

What did you use for Cathode and Anode? :)

You stop the reaction when the blue is very strong?? please answer :/

do you harvest the "waste" hydrogen? you could probably make a crude fuel cell.

I'm using a Platinum coated Titanium Anode and a stainless steel anode. I am using a 6volt car charger which is powerful enough to crank out the amps (it's a commercial version that can start a car). The first time I tried the solution turned black almost at once. I am trying again and it looks like this batch isn't turning black. Is there some sort of preparation needed for the anode/cathodes?

@chickenvsbigdog

9 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the reduction is happening at the wrong electrode

What is the safest way to store kclo4?

do you have a scematic of the power suplye?

only platinium anode and stainless cathode? :/

Hello I have a small question for you. Where do you get the potassium perchlorate cell with the anodes. Do you get an address for me. Thank ANDREAS

One question, when you commented below about you using a sodium chloride salt without iodine in it. What effects does the iodine have?

@ytmachx

10 жыл бұрын

The iodine is added to salt, in very small quantity, to prevent the formation of goiters. It has no effect in the electrolysis.

@ytmachx i have with KClO3 i made from that video. and it worked. im guessing KClO4 wont burn right? i guess i can just try it and see how it goes. but i need to let my cell finish the run its on now. its my 4th run using direct conversion. my next run is perchlorate with sodium chloride instead of KCl. ill let you know how it goes. ill probably start in about 3-5 days.

cute little beaker =)

did you mean 2.9kw

No fume excess?

What kind of electrodes did you use for the cathode and the anode?

after 144 hours yea it would convert all your salt into chlorate and some perchlorate with an overall CE of 83% which means your salt also contains CaCl2 just like mines and that also explains why your cathode has white crusts on it. CaCl2 is the new pH control for amateur cells but is avoided in industry due to pipe clogging and passivation due to their electrodes being much closer together and ran longer in continuous manner.

@willowpine2604

3 жыл бұрын

How much time you suggest? I run mine 330 hours approximately 14 days but it was 6litre bath at 25 to 30 amps and lost 1.5 liter during the process at 75 to 90 degrees electrolyte temp without ph control using platinum coating anodes and Titanium cathodes... When i finish it and got cool down i got big size rocks on the bottom orthorhombic shape and none kcl03... It precipitate out, imagine how saturated was the electrolyte. And it was greenish blue which indicates from mine opinion that it doesn't had any cloride left un-electolized i guess ! What do you think for this set up and the hole process and results?? I am waiting a reply with your opinion thumps up!!

basically if I understand running the cell for enough time ALL of the chlorate will be converted to perchlorate? since in your video you didn't show that there were traces of chorate

My friend, I like your work very much. I am trying to accomplish my experience with NACL enetrolysis, but my solution is always contaminated by the anode and cathode rods. how I solve it, can you help me. thank you.

@CatboyChemicalSociety

4 жыл бұрын

if you use graphite then only pH control will solve errosion it and with that you have 2 options HCl or CaCl2 HCl requires pH regulator system but CaCl2 doesnt although its weird as for the first few hours pH will stay at 8-8.7 then it will suddently drop to 6.6-6.8 due to the small amount of NaOH causing a reaction that will regulate the pH when NaOH encounters CaCl2 it forms Ca(OH)2 which is insoluble and liberating chlorine in place of NaCl thus pH now is regulated. after the pH drop it will be steady and will no longer rise for the duration of the run resulting in current efficiencies of 78-83%

why do you use 6 volts and not two volts because the same VA transformer at 2 volts gives about 3 times more current

What is the anode,and what is cathode...?

hi, i want to make NaClO4 directly from NaClO3, and i read that, to get the chlorate concentration very low, it is a bad idea to use platinum, because this will corrode very badly in low chlorate concentration, (near the end of the process). so i would need PbO2 coated titanium right? as an anode, and titanium as cathode. my power supply is also 150 watts, but it has less voltage, only 5. i hope this won't be a problem. anyway, do you have any tips on where to get good electrodes, because i can't seem to find any, other than on www.alibaba.com, and that's not for consumers. Thanks.

@carpepotentia

9 жыл бұрын

Bastiaan Hoornweg Schau mal hier :shop.jentner.de/de/zubehoer-galvanische-geraete/anoden.html

hello, your video is very informative, I have only two questions: how is the reverse polarity of the electrodes, because I do not want to damage my anode of platinized titanium, I use an energy source up to 15V and 20A DC provides, I hope it even without "PI filter" works, my source of energy is to 15V and 20A adjustable. greet with the best from Germany!

@ytmachx

9 жыл бұрын

The platinum electrode must be positive. Try to use a lower voltage. 5-7 volts is best. If your power supply puts out DC, it should work.

@Kallifierew0rks

9 жыл бұрын

***** many thanks for the quick response to a 5 old video!

Why didn't you just electrolyze the KCl in the first place?

What is the cristal forming at the bottom of the electrolyte in the electrolysis flask??

@CatboyChemicalSociety

4 жыл бұрын

inerts, these things are nasty and can ruin MMO electrodes if you dont clean your electrodes with 3% HCl after every few runs. pH control prevents them from causing too much problems but the yellow color here suggests ferrocyanide and iodate impurity since he probably is running store bought salt. The best impurity you actually want is CaCl2 as it allows for passive pH control better than HCl for pH control since its a buffer and doesnt require a full blown pH regulator system just add some and forget about it.

3:14 cheers !!

pretty cool set up, how easy is it to store? and how much was you're set up?

Where i platinum

What are those electrolysis chambers/cells called? and where could I purchase one? Great Video BTW

I have a question here, what is the dimension of you electrodes and how far are they from each others?

@pro2a89

Жыл бұрын

i dont know ther other thongs but i do know you need to geep it at 6volts

With all the electricity and chemicals, are you paying less than 5 dollars USD per 460 grams KCLO4? If so, then this is what I need to do, as it's cheaper than buying it. I buy about 50 lbs of KCLO4 every 2-3weeks. This could save me a lot of money if the price per pound is really a lot cheaper. Please let me know. Thanks!

So if I made kclo3, can I do a double displacement with potassium chloride to create kclo4? I'm just confused, I did electrolysis with potassium chloride. I know it only made potassium chlorate hence the methylene blue test. But all the reading I do is the same as this using sodium. Oh and I bubbled the chlorine gas through concentrated h2o2 and it made hydrochloric acid. So that was a nice side of my experiment. I thought if I ran my cell for a long period time with high heat. It would of made kclo4. I'm using a platinum anode. Idk if you could be awesome and help. I would appreciate it.

@ytmachx

7 жыл бұрын

the displacement reaction is the sodium being replaced with the more favorable /active potassium. The kclo3 is too insoluble to stay in solution to further electrolysize to kclo4. You would start with the sodium chloride and run it until you have sodium perc and then do the displacement reaction with kcl to get the insoluble kclo4.

@ziggyc3004

7 жыл бұрын

ytmachx Ty! You are the first to clarify that confusion for me. I did notice the kclo3 falling out of suspension even at °38.

@ziggyc3004

7 жыл бұрын

oh and you didn't mention what type of electrodes you are using. Is it platinum titanium or lead dioxide?

@ytmachx

7 жыл бұрын

I use a platinum clad niobium anode and a 304L stainless steel cathode.

@fredysmith8179

5 жыл бұрын

ytmachx what are the dimensions of the anode and cathode? And where do you buy them ? Thanks....

How much impact on this process does temperature have? If a cell runs at 60-65C, would the yield be significantly impacted? NICE SETUP! i want one when I grow up.... :-)

@ytmachx

9 жыл бұрын

I really could not tell you, as I have always run 85-90C.

@ytmachx I am running a 250 g batch right now with 20 A so it will take a day if my diodes does not melt. Have you tried to make a Birkeland-Eyde reactor for saltpeter acid? Then u can use thr remaning 4 diodes. :)

Hello hol veszek 2kg kclo4?

I see how you attached your mesh screen, with a slot an three holes through the tube, I guess my only option is to get some sort of stainless tubing an nuts/bolts. Unless Lowes/Sears carries some sort of titanium cheap..

@ytmachx

10 жыл бұрын

McMaster-Carr is where you will need to get the titanium. Those three"holes' are spot welds.

so just to clear cause im a bit confused! 5Volt 25 Amps with potassium cloride = potassium chlorate? And 6-7 volts 25 with sodium chloride =sodium perchlorate?

@Subway1427

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a bit confused too. Pretty sure that would just produce potassium chlorate

yeah, all mine have broke when they were full. it makes for a waste of time and hard work. not to mention how expensive some of the stuff is.

Очень сложно смотреть, когда ролик без комментарий автор. Видно, что техническая база неплохая, технология отработана у автора... Хоть бы титры были! Жаль... Хотя автору уважение.

@ytmachx

7 жыл бұрын

Tes. Ты прав. Это старое видео. Я больше этого не делаю.

Hello, how to connect with 2 power supply, make the circuit connections, where to buy platinum anode?

@ymj4256

7 жыл бұрын

Krotnv you can get it from old car right inside the exhaust pipes

@Krotnv

7 жыл бұрын

Hello, my dear friend, where exactly is it in the exhaust system?

@Gregkret About using chlorate in a rocket I had problem with as you describe that the rockets explodes. I had much better luck when I used hollow core. /Natt

You are running at 150 watts, so as long as you are above 4.5 VDC, you can get production? Is there an upper practical limit to voltage that you should adhere to? 12VDC @ 12A would be ok, since it is 144 W? Thank you!

@soroka6983

Жыл бұрын

Hey Jerry, it is a long time ago. What makes a chlorate is the current not the voltage. So, 5-volt LED power supply from Amazon or eBay that is 20 Amp to 40 Amp is the best. Current density depends on the surface area of the Anode! (Graphite requires a much lower current density than MMO or Platinum. Good 6.3V DC Large Can Electrolytic Capacitor 450000mfd and up will work as a filter capacitor, or you can make a DC pi filter (look up on KZread). Minimum of 3.6Volt is required for production of chlorate - but the chlorate cell has internal resistance, to overcome the resistance you need more volt; 5 volt is Ok, 6 Volt is Max.

I think you should add a few drops of concentrated sulfuric acid to some solid potassium perchlorate. It might be a good demo!

i really wish i had a scope, my computer can do it but no way am i hooking anything up to this baby . i do have a power factor meter , they cost 25$ . its basicly a power meter to check the power consumption of household appliances. menards has the best it will even tell you the cost of operation at chosen kwh ratings.

VERY smart man, i also encountered harmonic distortion on high current low voltage DC power supplies, however i was to lazy to learn the equations and build an inductor and i couldn't afford a large dc capacitor, however i did just decide to rap some wire inside a mot to make one on a try and see basis and it worked , i went from a .3 power factor to a .7 not bad at all for a first try the equations are very easy but how many henries is my mot running at???thats the research part ...

@djisydneyaustralia

11 ай бұрын

Cheers , something you said just made me realise something related , being a welder with a bad output choke and the noise they generate . You're a smart man also.

Hey, just curious, how come you never talk in any of your AWSOME videos??? Thats just about the only thing i can think of thatd make them more informative an astute! :-) thanx for all the effort to teach us curious culprits! :-D

i see. i buy from FlinnScientific. they sell all types of chemicals, beakers, flasks, and other science apparel. also they have kits to perform the experiments that are already set up. but they only ship to schools. luckily, my dad works at ISU. there prices are amazing. their 2l beakers are pretty good. the best ive seen.

D00d! We have the same washing machine!

What does "MOT" and "Pi" stand for??? and what is it filtering?

@jackmclane1826

3 жыл бұрын

MicrowaveOvenTransformer and a type of electrical filtering to suppress ripple currents in the electric supply... Not really relevant for the chemistry.

How do you clean the platinum clad anode?

@ytmachx

10 жыл бұрын

It never really needs cleaning. Just use fresh water.

@GunPhysicschlorates are really dangerous with sulfur and phosphorous. but perchlorates are relatively safe around them. perchlorates are much safer in the use of pyrotechnics. i prefer perchlorates over chlorates by a long shot.

very interessting! but I thought by the elektrolysis of NaCl-water, the NaCl is turned to NaOH, Cl2, H2, and not chlorate or perchlorate, or is this adoption wrong?

Wouldn't it be enough to use AC for this with both platinum electrodes? I have read that for chlorates you need the electrodes pretty close. It is great that it is working for you, but with AC you'd have all ions on both electrodes. Granted, maximum current would not be continuous.

@ytmachx

9 жыл бұрын

What is wrong with you? Do you think that has not been tried? Like 75 years ago? It does not work. You would just end up destroying two electrodes. The platinum will not tolerate a negative charge.

Goto be rich to get the reaction vessel an platinum mesh anode!

how would this make potassium perchlorate if you never added any potassium, only sodium?

I made two assumptions when i made my calculation: Assumption 1: max yeild of KClO4 was 19.51 mol (from the moles of NaCl). Assumption 2: All of the NaCl(aq) was electrolysized during the process. If the assumptions are false then sorry bout dat.

@ytmachx Thanks but when you electrolyse your NaCl , you make NaOCl ? No KClO4..?