The akuma experience. If Kazuya is a newly released dlc character in T7, will he be called broken?

@akuaku9252

Жыл бұрын

worse Jin so no.

@dfddsfer4tv4g4b

Жыл бұрын

Kazuya broken lol?

@OhRelaxAlex

Жыл бұрын

Ay this guy is OP

@BeretBay

Жыл бұрын

lol

@KazuyaKai1012

Жыл бұрын

Jin is kazuya plus hop kick + the best parry + poking + insane counters

People say Kazuya is broken but won't attempt to main him because they know they won't put up the same results Riddles does.

@dripfoe_3307

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Havoc_279

Жыл бұрын

There was this one dude, axiom? Who got one tournament with Kazuya and then disappeared cause people are actually learning the match up and only Riddles is also leveling up Kaz gameplay. The others o ly took advantage of zero match up knowledge

@friends4evrr

Жыл бұрын

Its fuckin hard, he really does make it look ez.

@friends4evrr

Жыл бұрын

@@Havoc_279 Is that the reason he don't play ? kinda sad tbh that's like yonni/jake with Steve lol, Acola winning with steve yet others are not on his level

@Havoc_279

Жыл бұрын

@@friends4evrr not really sure, but I haven't heard his name in top 8 in a while so...

The Smash Community is just paranoid cause of Brawl Meta Knight and Smash4 Bayonetta

@bigbangbot-SuperSqank

Жыл бұрын

Literally this.

@BigRagatheOpStomper

Жыл бұрын

Even then,they were never banned

@luischeco3009

Жыл бұрын

I play Bayo and Meta Knight. 10000% agree

@vista1456786

Жыл бұрын

64 Pikachu was apparently pretty busted too

@Megajmaster1000

Жыл бұрын

They brought it upon themselves by not banning them when necessary

The one thing that's keeping this a "skill issue" type of scenario is the question: If Kazuya is so broken, why do so few people do well with him? Riddles is one of the only if not *the* only Kazuya player at the top level, so it's not like Bayonetta in Smash 4 or Meta Knight in Smash Brawl where any 16 year old high schooler could pick him up and win majors. Even if he can still do insane and almost inescapable death combos, you need to *work* to do well with Kazuya.

@unkn0wnmortaL

7 ай бұрын

Say this in a smash video and youll get an encyclopedia of excuses

@amogussussus7277

6 ай бұрын

@@unkn0wnmortaLliterally Smash fans try not to whine about any character other than fox

Considering this is the same community that WOULDN'T ban or even limit that infinite grab ToD with ice climbers, and unironically said "just don't ever get grabbed", kazuya must be ridiculous to get banned in that game.

@5partanzm1lk

Жыл бұрын

Wobbling is banned now, patch culture caught up with us lol

@isaachaze6321

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but that was for a game released 20 years ago when people still had a competitive edge to them. Now people just want it easy so they ban anything that has a skill gap instead of either developing more skill or finding a solution to the problem. Hence the Kazuya/Steve situation. To anyone who thinks Kazuya should be banned go watch Riddles play against Skyjay. Who mains a low tier incineroar. Proves it’s a skill issue and that kazuya isnt broken.

@voyt8tele363

Жыл бұрын

@@isaachaze6321 I agree with your philosophy but if you think steves are winning by being better you know nothing about smash

@NoctuaOlivae

Жыл бұрын

I wish we were still that community, but all the ultimate kids started complaining about it and gave melee pros who always hated it the chance to argue that shit again. Now ICs are even worse.

@awooga-gunga-israel

Жыл бұрын

​@@NoctuaOlivae i think it's a good thing wobbling got banned honestly since it's so easy to do while handoffs are cooler and more skill based.

I only bought smash ultimate just for Kazuya

@RyanBedecki

Жыл бұрын

name checks out

@UltimateCarDrawer567

Жыл бұрын

​@@RyanBedecki DORYA!

@jonwhite549

Жыл бұрын

So you beat the game with almost everyone, cuz he’s one of the last ppl you unlock.

@Kazuya.Mishima

Жыл бұрын

...

@ensar4115

Жыл бұрын

That must suck

DORYA!

@fp45

Жыл бұрын

DAYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

@BeretBay

Жыл бұрын

No sugarcoating found.

At this stage it's not that they "banned" kazuya, it's basicly handicapping riddles. Those cowards can play kazuya but can't be consistent with him.

TMM saying Mofra from Godzilla made my day

@HELLRAISER02

Жыл бұрын

MOFRA FOR TEKKEN? GODZILLA FOR SMASH???

A character from a traditional fighting game getting banned in a platform fighter? Why am I not surprised...

@dragocrafterr8286

Жыл бұрын

?

@hatto

Жыл бұрын

Ryu wasnt banned, terry wasnt banned.

Really cool to see tmm covering smash topics and stuff. As a smash player primarily and a tekken fan it's really awesome to see this duality.

Does anyone like penguins? They are so cool

@mrego886

Жыл бұрын

I like the penguins of madagascar

@okamileek006

Жыл бұрын

big agree, they should add the tekken 5 penguin stage back in 8 😊

@mudkipp64

Жыл бұрын

My favorite animal

@spicytunaroll3319

Жыл бұрын

I love penguins, they’re so cute. I especially love macaroni penguins those were my favorite as a kid

@HoDoBoDo

Жыл бұрын

Finally a normal comment lol. Also yh...Penguins are great :)).

Kazuya thing feels more like an skill issue but Steve feel more like a real problem that broke the game

@dripfoe_3307

Жыл бұрын

As a smasher I can confirm this

@QuantemDeconstructor

Жыл бұрын

Steve does have a few less than favorable matchups but having a character's counter be "Pick Cloud" is a bit of a problem

@TreyMM-qz4wg

8 ай бұрын

​@@QuantemDeconstructorit's only pick cloud cuz spargo. Realistically that means byleth, Marcina, ike, corrin also get the job done. Smash players are just bad at their game.

@QuantemDeconstructor

8 ай бұрын

@@TreyMM-qz4wg Cloud just has a really nice matchup spread overall and is an easy learn, I think that's why a lot of people picked him up for Steve

Smash does have a history where a character played themselves: Bayonetta in Smash4. When she came out a bunch of guys out of nowhere were great immediately (she was the last DLC) and then when SmashU came out, she was nerfed and those guys fell off. The top guys hate Kazuya for the same reason Knee hates 2d boss characters, which Framewhisperer joked (prophetically) could possibly happen when he saw Kaz being added to Smash. Still he is too execution heavy where the guys who are good with him are good fighting games and Smash in general. Texas just may have a bunch of guys who play fighting games a lot

That tournament organiser is just a bum owned by kazuya

Nintentoddlers are chilldern mi amigo, they don't know better

I think it's unfortunate because they did so well getting the essence of Kazuya into Smash with how he plays and works in Tekken. The issue is that it doesn't translate well to Smash's fundamentals. I love Kazuya, I can admit that he is pretty busted and I can see how people would want him banned. But, unlike Minecraft Steve, Kazuya is an insanely difficult character to master and his major tournament results aren't even that impressive. Aside from Tea and Riddles, who else is playing Kazuya at an absolutely Godlike level? Nobody. To further the point, neither of them solely play Kazuya. Tea plays Pacman more often, and Riddles splits with Kazuya and Terry. I think it's hilarious watching Kazuya get one hit and delete a stock. That's how Tekken is. Make one mistake, and you're dead. Unfortunately, the Smash community is full of whiny bitches that cry for every character to be banned. Myself included (ban Minecraft Steve).

@Lazar-ox5bd

Жыл бұрын

The problem is they want everything to be easy because if they lose to a skill rewarding character it's busted, Kazuya is busted cause he's difficult, MOTHERFUCKERS GO RELEARN YOUR GAME BEFORE BITCHING ABOUT A high execution character, even here he's more lenient than in Tekken, 2 frame leniency electric AND IFRAMES, also wavedash.

@hands-ongaming7180

2 ай бұрын

Kazuya works well if you play smash as it was intended aka a party game. No shit a character meant for 1v1 would dominate that format

I literally love this interview being so potent despite being on the spot. It actually lends to what I'm trying to explain to a couple of friends about the T8 Law situation you covered. You have a way of explaining things concisely and asking good targeted questions that even though this is live it is just fantastic.

What wasn't mentioned about Kazuya in Smash here is that he is not just a damage and kill monster but also is very heavy. That basically means that he has more HP because he needs more percents before he is in Kill range for the opponent. Kazuya is on a similar level as Donkey Kong. Heavys normally have the disadvantage though that they are big and easier to combo because of this but Kazuya has a standard size. So he can tank a lot of hits and then kill you in one combo. I don't want to say that he should be banned, I just want to put it on the table.

Kids cant handle Dorya...

MainMan unironically thinking Mothra was in the game 😂😭

Geese and Akuma: "Imagine being banned for being too OP."

King mains: Just break throws.

I feel like not everyone was playing him because of the type of community smash has. Even if a char is really good the smash community sticks to their mains and perfects those chars even if this char is broken. It's more of a pride thing over there.

@rurounijay7100

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. There are more people who have shown theyre capable of playing the character. Its true people wont win like riddles but people play kazuya. Same reason why everybody doesnt play pythra even tho shes considered easy to use and broken. People play who they wanna play and its not them. I can play kazuya in smash and tekken and pytha, kazuyas one of my mains in tekken, but i still main chrom in smash. We play who we like.

@Rain_Over_The_Frosted_Heavens

Жыл бұрын

@@rurounijay7100 Agreed. I'm a mostly a Tekken, MK an Dragonball player. But anytime I play Smash I'm dedicated to playing DK. I've used him for years every since I touched Super Smash Bros 64. Even with these newer hype chars out It's something about getting those wins with that main char I've practiced with for so long more enjoyable. Getting W's with a char that anybody with enough execution can do isn't really satisfying. IDK maybe I'm wrong lol I'm not a professional 🥲

Honestly I feel testing this DLC banning is not a good idea cause I feel more people would just leave the competitive scene. Steve however makes sense cause of his jank mechanics. Edit 2: The tournament in Texas is testing and experimenting with how people react to DLCs being banned at the tournament.

@DANCERcow

Жыл бұрын

If you advocate to ban Steve then you likely need to *get gud!* And *learn the matchup!*

@baltharaaz9847

Жыл бұрын

@@DANCERcow The character quite literally exploits a bug to ignore game mechanics, he deserves it. Not Steve Fox tho, we love that guy.

Technically Kazuya isn't banned everywhere, it's just some regions

I'm really interested in watching this video but I wonder if they can arrange a voice call next time!

Theres all sorts of Kazuya players across regions in Smash and I'm the one for Hawaii region. We're not the biggest scene and obviously it may be biast cus I main Kazuya but the thing that seperates Kazuya and Steve is that Kazuya's disadvantage is pretty bad and getting in can be trouble. Steve has many ways to get out of disadvantage and his close up game is on par with Kazuya where they both kill or do a lot off one hit Overall yeah it sucks regions are considering it cus I invested a lot of time into him lmao.

I think at top level in smash it's a more level playing field but for more local and a more intermediate level it's where people start to complain about steve and kazuya

Kazyua is very good in smash but his moveset is difficult. I think it's more if you can do the combos hes broken but for a casual player to mess about with him I think it's fair game. He's not a easy character to play compared to other characters. His only easy move is his 10 hit combo which is just pressing the A button. Steve has game breaking glitches which just make him op and his combos/buliding blocks are annoying.

Funny how the two tekken characters get banned. Steve and Kazuya. It makes sense for steve though because they gave him like fire breathing and he could build houses?? Not very faithful to his moveset in tekken but oh well.

My friend played tekken 7 for a couple of days, and his first pic was Asuka smh. He was actually very frustrating to beat, but I prevailed with my that I've been dabbling with for numerous years.

10:03 this needs to be a sound alert

More evidence that the smash community are not a fighting game community.

@zach4281

Жыл бұрын

They're not banning him, it's one local. The only reason Tekken hasn't done the same to Akuma is because there's a world tour that wouldn't do that, and they just follow those rules. You're being unbelievably silly.

@TheFightingGentleman

Жыл бұрын

​@@zach4281 or maybe because people learned to deal with akuma despite his strength after all of the nerfs...modern fighters may have DLC syndrome, but most communities are NOT calling for even soft bans of characters; it's only been smash

@dripfoe_3307

Жыл бұрын

​​@@TheFightingGentleman Just so you know, Steve will be smashes 1st official banned character and he isn't even the most broken character in smash history. Bayo and Meta knight are much worse and they should've been banned. Also, Kazuya is Akuma in smash NOT Steve. So the smash community made 2 steps forward by banning Steve but 1 step back for banning Kazuya in one major local. Just like Riddles said, I highly doubt they'll put a universal ban on Kazuya. So for perspective, the Smash community is also reluctant to ban characters.

@dripfoe_3307

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheFightingGentleman Also, WTF are you talking about, "it's only been smash" are you on crack 😂. There are a bunch of banned fighting game characters, like why would you even think it's just smash, THINK MARK THINK!!!

@cosmedcarton

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheFightingGentleman people learn to deal with akuma? So people now know how to react the unreactable plus on block d3 low launcher? People learn to fight not using -10 moves to avoid getting jab launched? Akuma Is still broken even after those small nerfs.

Big difference between smash and other fighting games is health bar vs percent. In most fighting games you can just keep hitting people with your safest quickest moves in neutral and they will eventually die. In smash taking a stock has more depth since you will have to use laggier stronger moves to kill, or get them near the corner, ceiling, or offstage for moves to kill earlier. Lots of characters in smash can rack damage up quickly, but no one can do that AND kill as easily as Kazuya.

Smash players cry about shit like this with every entry, not surprising.

So dumb that a character that is part of the game is banned. Even when peak broken Leroy was around, you don’t ban Leroy.

Honestly the dumbest thing bout smash kazuya has is EWGF If im not mistaken, its got 2 frames of leniency, bufferable, full body invincible on frame 5, plus 5 on shield, and can easily lead to instant death, but i dont think he should be banned

@starapton5374

Жыл бұрын

Funny enough I find it harder to do in smash mainly do to the controller and having to let go immediately

@HELLRAISER02

Жыл бұрын

@@starapton5374 yeah me too for controller, mainly cuz after kaz got added i rediscovered the tekken part of my child hood, so i labbed way more mishimas in tekken 7 n 3 on dpad, so my smash electrics are usually scuffed, haha

@RykaWodzy

Жыл бұрын

Its invincible frames 1-8 and it's an 8 frame move lol

@HELLRAISER02

Жыл бұрын

@@RykaWodzy my mistake

@starapton5374

Жыл бұрын

I play on stick so it’s odd not feeling the square gate so I know precisely when I hit what input

I still think 2f electric on a gamecube controller is harder than just frame electric on an arcade stick. Analog just feels jank

There's a player named Tweek in Smash and he's regarded as Top 5 if not Top 3 currently in the world and he also says Kazuya is easy, but I have never seen him play Kazuya so he's saying this by just thinking he has good tools. Using the tools is hard though. There's a difference.

@luischeco3009

Жыл бұрын

Kazuya, just like in Tekken, has a pretty high skill floor. Hard to master, but easy once you get it down. Especially after training to do EWGF for like 2 weeks.

@schoolpresentations3593

Жыл бұрын

But theres also a huge difference between a decent and good Kazuya. Anybody can learn how to EWGF but you know a Kazuya is a cut above the rest when he starts doing df2 PEWGF or 4 EWGF b21. There's a reason why Kazuya is rarely used in pro play; not a lot of people can bring out Kazuya's 100% potential. This applies even in Smash. Sure, everyone can learn how to EWGF and wavedash, but how many are willing to memorize different combo routes that string multiple motion inputs and fast falls in order to adapt to an opponent's DI? Then ask how many are willing to do that and fight other pros when there are 30+ other characters that are easier. You end up with a list that includes Riddles and like 4 or 5 other Japanese Kazuyas who rarely go to tournaments. A ban is not justified until the community sees a major Top 8 filled with Kazuyas.

I would say that Kazuya is 4th at the highest. Steve is #1 and Joker and Pyra/Mythra are 2/3. Other characters like Fox, Sonic, Peach etc. are also contenders for the top spots. Kazuya is however really difficult to counterplay, which really frustrates people. Characters being broken AND frustrating to fight against starts a wave of hate. A lot of people want R.O.B. banned as well, just because he is a strong character who is easy to play and frustrating to play against

There's another reason why Kazuya and Steve is being considered banned is how over-centralizing they are. Steve has easy counterplay, just pick the few characters with huge disjoints or speedy ones with sizable disjoints Kazuya has counterplay, just play characters that have disjoints, speed demons, or breaks combos in hitstun Steve and Kazuya require opponents with precise control over their characters, so you can't really just pick up a secondary. And they have tons of different play styles too. So you have to either dual main or main a character good against them. Many players don't like that Steve is getting banned cause of huge results and new tech that piles up, narrowing down the viable characters against an optimal Steve to a comical degree, and the skill required to invalidate many characters isn't that high. Still requires a decent chunk of skill tho, so that's why he's not banned is most tournaments In contrast, Kazuya generally is rarely banned cause not only is he more difficult, more weaknesses, and can be a little tiresome, but has much less results too. Rob is easy and strong but not banned cause he's a goof all-rounder with no polarizing traits (beyond maybe gyro to side-b), Sonic isn't banned cause he doesn't have the results and needs to play a highly tiring play style to make use of his best strengths So yeah, that's the gist of it

@TreyMM-qz4wg

8 ай бұрын

Kazuya loses to a lot more than that. Steve does too. But the community is very very stubborn. Those are two slow but powerful characters exploit speed/lack of strong projectile game. You have a winning mu...

minecraft steve... wut? XD

only in texas locals kazuya is banned

Asks top player of their character if they should be banned “naw it shouldn’t be” ok good talk, very unexpected response. I’m not saying he should be banned but I definitely wouldn’t be putting his response as what the community actually believes/what’s best for the game

Be glad tekken does not have a minecraft steve

@xxiii262

Жыл бұрын

Prime Leroy is worse than prime steve

@TKZhyon

Жыл бұрын

We've got the superior Steve

A thing I will note is that one reason why people want (Minecraft) Steve/Kazuya banned in Smash is because they fear that the characters will become too centralising and run the meta, which is what happened with the last two Smash games. Both Brawl and Smash 4 had overcentralising top 2 characters who ran the meta (Meta Knight/Ice Climbers in Brawl and Bayonetta/Cloud in Smash 4) and while there were serious discussions and attempts to ban them, they were never universally banned (outside of double Meta Knight in Brawl doubles and Cloud in Smash 4 doubles at the end of the game's life, with doubles being a side event) and the player base simply had to deal with those powerful characters. Those characters weren't unbeatable but they were still noticeably better than the rest of the cast in their respective games so it was debatable whether those characters should have been banned or not. In the end, those characters were not universally banned and it overall damaged the competitive integrity of those games (even if those characters arguably didn't deserve to be banned). Smash 4 Bayonetta in particular was especially hated and some people's opinion on the game soured due to her alone (along with Cloud to a lesser extent). The Ultimate community simply does not want to go through that fiasco again with Steve and Kazuya so some tournaments are banning those characters (mainly Steve) to prevent what happened in Brawl with Meta Knight/Ice Climbers and Smash 4 with Bayonetta/Cloud. They don't want Steve and Kazuya (As a sidenote, Kazuya may not even be top 2 and he has a small playerbase at top level) to run the meta and some tournaments will ban them to try and prevent history from repeating itself, even if that does not become a reality. Regardless of the amount of weight this holds as an argument, it is an actual reason why players want Steve and maybe Kazuya banned.

@The_WIll_OF_D99

Жыл бұрын

That's a bad argument and logic to go with. The games had life still Meta knight was not winning ever major actually but was really strong. Bayo was different more or less. But Steve BROKE THE GAME Kaz...none of those things he is really strong and that's it. Saying it's a fear is also stupid because the results and player count DOESN'T MATCH the outcry. It's stupid flat out

@bigbangbot-SuperSqank

Жыл бұрын

I do agree that it is not a strong argument and it is not a view I hold myself. The results do not match with the outcry as you said and personally, I don’t think any of the characters should have been banned (with Steve, I at least think that people acted too quickly upon banning him, when they really should have waited to see how the new “bannable” tech played out at least). I myself am still a big fan of Brawl, even with Meta Knight and Ice Climbers (I never said MK won every major because I know he didn’t but his overall tournament results were still the highest by a considerable margin). I’m just saying that is an actual argument Smash players are making about the situation. They are scared of the possibility of an over centralising meta, even if that is not what has been happening in reality. I’m just mentioning that the argument exists and anyone reading can take of it what they will.

The only other game with the same or greater level of execution requirements to KoF and Tekken is actually another smash game, SSBMelee. Pretty big contrast to SSBU

@austingoyne3039

Жыл бұрын

Ultimate has a ton of execution but most just lets you do unimpressive stuff like grab ledge or change aerial momentum. One reason I couldn't get into it.

@dirtydard4870

Жыл бұрын

@Austin Goyne There is tons of tech in Ultimate honestly, just not the same level of precise staple techniques like Melee

@austingoyne3039

Жыл бұрын

@@dirtydard4870 yeah that's what I was saying. Lots of tech that grants minor advantages. Nothing crucial like wavedash. Tbf some character specific tech is pretty fun like Ness' psi magnet stuff.

I appreciate u lot ❤❤

Kazuya ban is completely fair tbh, literally basic ewgf combos guarantees 60%, and a whole stock w bad DI, yea it’s kinda hard to get in, but it’s so easy to get a grab or a fast frame move in at least once per stock. It’s not high execution, it’s made more lenient in smash, it’s way more rewarding, and any tekken player can do well with kazuya

I think the real reason is a lack of tech found for the characters. Honestly with so many characters on the smash roster it’s bound to be a broken mess look at more traditional oldschool fighters as a instance of this they got a ton of obscure broken crap especially those kof games they quickly tossed a roster together and didn’t test for bugs or really any snk game I’ve played are like that. Their all broken to a extent and smash ultimate will be no different the community has yet to even realize this yet but this is the case I think it’ll be more broken than melee

6:30 funniest sht ive ever seen

While Kazuya in smash does take some execution to get right, but it is nowhere near the level of tekken characters. I'm not an execution god but I play kazuya and can hit electrics the vast majority of the time. Imagine if electric in tekken had more leniency and had the potential to delete your health bar and also made you intangible for the beginning part of the move? I just don't think it's healthy for the game even if the character isn't top 2.

Kazuya is the day 1 Fahkuram of Smash

I love the how based these comments are. Everybody gets how bs this ban is.

4:30 Isn't Bandai Namco more of a publisher than developer?

@marlinmurrell620

Жыл бұрын

They helped Sakurai's team, Sora Ltd, develop the game.

So basically kazuya has INSANE and stupid strengths but very big weaknesses, he is also very heavy which means he takes less knockback and he is harder to KO meaning that even if you are exploiting his weaknesses by continuously hitting him, all you are doing is taking him to 100% where he gets rage and deals 40% in one hit, I guess people get frustrated by the fact that they get so many hits and he keeps surviving, then they get hit once by a fast invincible, plus on block move(EWGF, arguably one of the best moves in the game)and they explode. Overall people are just being babies for not understanding that by exploiting his weaknesses in the right way he gets destroyed just as hard. The character though was made to be stupid with so many invincible moves that are stronger than usual.

Bruh I thought they got our boy Steve Fox into Smash 💀

"Is kazya OP or are ppl just being bitches? In the age of cringey fgc influencers, i thought id never see someone say that..

The smash community at large continues to be an embarrassment. The community really needs far better leadership but I guess that's not going to happen anytime soon

Kazuya is certainly not unbeatable, but he definitely needs some nerfs to make his weaknesses more exploitable and his strengths just a little bit less bright.

@idontwant2beasoldiermama241

Жыл бұрын

Why? There's like 3 Kazuya players delivering results in tournaments. He's not only high execution, you need to be extremely sharp in every desition you make, you can't go unga bunga.

@The_WIll_OF_D99

Жыл бұрын

I mean we see him struggle even in high level nerfing that doesn't help him at all. He is perfect. It's a good balance we seen lower to mid tier or other high tiers deal with Kaz really well once they know the match up. He is top 7 not top 2 or 1. If you ban him then you now cause more issues

@Barsee23

Жыл бұрын

@@idontwant2beasoldiermama241 spamming electric like 20 times while exploiting how difficult it is to punish until it leads to a guranteed 0%-death/high% combo you can't get out of is pretty unga bunga, so is having invincibility on several of your moves so you can throw them out without getting punished even though they were unsafe, or having a free arsene comeback mechanic to win even even though you were losing 3/4th's of the stock

@marlinmurrell620

Жыл бұрын

@@idontwant2beasoldiermama241 It's really 1. Riddles is the only Kazuya main that does good.

@idontwant2beasoldiermama241

Жыл бұрын

@@Barsee23 Everything you just said is just wrong, try spamming electric and see where it takes you

TMM as a non biased person who LITERALLY MAINS KAZUYA he is brokennnnnnn. Electric isnt just frame, not only that, every electric is a PEWGF, he has access to a million confirms off it, half of his moves have super armor or full intangibility, including his wavu that also has full intangibility. His cdc is WAY faster than tekken. So you cant even touch him half the time. Yes he can struggle against zoners and characters with superior movement but a GOOD kazuya only needs to touch you once. Thats the problem. He is honestly too good. For a character with a "flaring/jarring weakness" hes still considered to be top 5 minimum by everybody. Most people put him at 2. I think hes too good. If nintendo would just nerf these characters and listened to the community we wouldnt want to ban them but they dont listen to the community over here.

Thank god it wasnt in a real fighting game

We as Tekken players are just superior we ain’t bitches

4:03 that concept does not carry into smash brothers LMAO (Historically). Kazuya is the best character, if you were a god tier tekken kazuya main and played smash. Smash has the best characters as the ones that jump and do big hitbox fast. Its why Princess peach is always high tier just never number 1. and characters like Chrom and Roy are so strong (they are fast dudes with mid sized swords). Fast, high damage, good hitbox, spammy and safe. All im saying i won a local tournament when smash ultimate was a year old with Only chrom and Mii fighter. Chrom can spam up air on battle field and you cannot do anything. Items make smash balanced

What's next, Smash players taking a shower?

kazuya doesn’t have bad approach tools in smash, but he is more of a rush down character. his execution is somewhat difficult, but so is steve’s and that’s why they’re really good in the right hands. and i personally think kazuya is around top 5, behind zss or rob, joker, pyra/mythra, and steve. but i don’t think kazuya should be banned. he’s really good, but not brawl meta knight good. Edit: i’m not a competitive player, but i have been active in the smash scene for about 10 years now. obviously people will disagree with me.

@KanesakiHyudou

Жыл бұрын

but that's the essence of kazuya in all tekken games, he relies on knockdown and mixup to delete your health even in tekken 7. And Smash got that aspect of kazuya well

@rarol1103

Жыл бұрын

@@KanesakiHyudou The issue is that Kaz has partial intangibility and superarmour on a massive majority of his moves, and just goes through tons of stuff. This would usually be fine, exept for the fact that he gets to do a 50-60 damage combo once he gets in, and if you don't DI properly, or if he reads your DI, get you to 80-90 and possibly even kill. You basically die from 2-3 interactions and you cant even properly stop him cuz he can just use intangibility or superarmour to go through (cough cough rage drive and crouchdash)

@NoctuaOlivae

Жыл бұрын

Never thought I'd hear "rushdown" in reference to a character from Ultimate

@user-kv1po2dm5j

Жыл бұрын

@@NoctuaOlivae oh yeah, there’s a lot. roy is a big example of a rush down character. and you can reference samus as a zoner. smash still has the same archetypes and terminology as traditional fighting games

@luischeco3009

Жыл бұрын

Steve? #1 no question. Kazuya? Top 10. His disadvantage can get pretty bad against the right opponent and/or fighter. They just gotta learn to edgeguard and juggle the dude. Kazuya anywhere but ground level, even on plats (sometimes) is a bad thing.

Banning is good. Let people vent-they will come around. Or not.

dang my effect really got this far in the fgc community, LOOL for context i got kazuya banned at the region riddles is talking about

Everyone in the comments only talks about Riddles as the Kazuya main in Smash Ultimate but Tea is LITERALLY role playing as Kazuya when he decides to bust him out in a matchup he prefers over using PacMan. For those of you curious, he’s really fun to watch. He knows Kazuya has insane tools and isn’t afraid of spamming them. It’s actually kinda funny! I would recommend Tea vs Ouch?!

the problem is that it's fundamentally bad character design to just be able to 0-to-death someone three times in a row and say GGs as long as you know the inputs. it's not even well-representative of Tekken gameplay, because even though Tekken is of course heavy in combos, without walls and certain stage transitions, you can't just delete someone with the snap of your fingers, and Kazuya in smash isn't as technically demanding as he or ANYONE is in Tekken. Way too much potential reward for the relatively low risk. It's not like he has bad movement or a bad recovery, either. I think they overestimated how hard it would be to pull off his moves and didn't do any balancing around that. Kazuya's cool, it's not like I don't like him, they just implemented him very poorly and didn't do enough playtesting with people who could actually see what he's capable of at high level play, and the same goes for Steve. he has different strengths than Kazuya, but he's absurdly overtuned to the point that he's playing a different game than anyone else, even Kazuya. the DLC-creep in general got out of hand. too many comeback mechanics, too many gimmicks, too much "DLC privilege," as they call it

@marlinmurrell620

Жыл бұрын

The thing about Kazuya is that his approach options in neutral is pretty linear. Steve is a bit different because he as powered minecart for an easy approach. Kazuya is broken, but he requires heavy execution if you wanna actually do good. I just feel like people aren't learning the matchup and learning how to edge guard or play proper neutral and advantage state against him. Steve is a bit different, but I know more about Kazuya than Steve.

@The_WIll_OF_D99

Жыл бұрын

Damn it's wils he doesn't do that to everyone at high level it's like you are ignoring incineroar doing super well in that match up and almost winning. It's like Sonic can do very well in the match up as well. Or like the other TOP TIERS most of the cast if you actually play the game can deal with Kaz. It's all about knowledge and character understanding. Kaz is strong but his disadvantages are very apparent, especially in a lot of situations if you know the match-up and know how to approach it. It's far from bad game design he was actually worse in his beta state and Sakurai is very aware of the tournament scene. He mention Kaz was weaker and had more problems this was his solution and it's fine

It's actually hilarious 😂

The issue is his touch of death combos. Get hit by EWGF? Dead. Anything that confirms into EWGF? Dead. Top that off with the fact he will never be patched (Nintendo announced they are no longer patching the game a while ago) Just don't get hit.

The majority of the comments in this video are left by people who have an already uncharitable opinion about Smash along with a fundamental misunderstanding of the games mechanics and the issue with Kazuya's inclusion. The only thing they get right is that Smash is not designed to be a "fighting game" in the traditional sense and harbors an entirely different community.

@DoubleCFiend

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I don't even think I agree with Kazuya being banned but this whole discussion is being performed in bad faith regardless. I think it's also important to point out that top level representation is a very small portion of the playerbase and people are ignoring and how Kazuya likely sees actual dominance at mid level play more comparable to the easier, conventional Smash characters. And his execution requirements in Smash are grossly exaggerated; the entire game is more forgiving in it's execution, so comparing "high execution character" in Smash vs Tekken is wholly disingenuous

@VaneWalker

Жыл бұрын

@@DoubleCFiend You get it. The other issue with this focus on representation at the top level is that many of the top players do not like Kazuya and especially Steve. No matter how much higher they may place with them, they don't want to play and inadvertently endorse characters that break the "rules of the game". But at the local level, some players just want to win.

When are they gonna have that purple devil guest character banned from tekken 7 🤬😡

The smash community is full of tiny babies, which is the reason that I left. Kazuya is not nearly as broken as Steve, and is only banned because people do not like to play against him and he so happens to be good.

Hi riddles im a huge fan

Hope kazuya Ban wont Stick, he is fun to watch ,but i dont Play any good kazuya sooooooo

It's weird how they do this not long after Riddles got bested in a top 8 by Skyjay, who played a character considered to be low-tier.

@HELLRAISER02

Жыл бұрын

While thats a bit ironic,skyjays incin is mad good, and generally any heavy does decent against other heavies

0:26 Both. Kazuya IS overtuned. If they gave his neutral air (jumping knuckle) a little more landing lag, and nerf a little of his kill power, he'd be alright. Smash players are complaining about EWGF and how it should be nerfed because (it's OP and combos) ...yeah. That's the point. It's a two-frame input in smash at least. Smash players aside from Melee won't last in another FGC game period.

Why akuma don't get banned in tk7

Boys, boys, boys!!! Minecraft Steve is super broken 🧱🔨

man i bet you could do good shit if you give a try on smash kazuya !!

another reason why melee is the goat

I think a lot of people think like this Once you get in with Kazuya, he's broken. I play Kaz on a daily basis, and most times, it's hard to get in at times, but he does have good poking tools. Even I think he needs a couple of nerfs because most of his moves just have invincibility, lmao. Pulling off combos, though, you need execution. Due to directional inputs and such so the combo turns into a guessing game. There's plenty of ways to keep him out, like projectiles and moves with good range. His jump squat can hold him back, too, since jumping feels like you got metal under your feet, making it hard to jump out of the way of attacks. Damage is crazy but I captures Tekken damage nicely. He's like 7th on the official tier list I think. There are better characters than him honestly.

@zach4281

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure wavedashing fast enough makes him invulnerable to projectiles. I'm not sure projectile zoners do as well as you'd think

@heyomaio

Жыл бұрын

@@zach4281 yeah but the tech is kinda hard to do you can't just do it on the spot. But you got a point there.

@heyomaio

Жыл бұрын

@Zach also minmin is right there

@zach4281

Жыл бұрын

@@heyomaio it's not something a lot of people are going to be able to do on the spot but one of my friends consistently gets in by backing off and barreling in with it in tournament. Trust me, it's vv doable

The american smash scene loves to cry about characters instead of improving in the game. Thats why they banned

Kaz is ODE ngl

They just need to practice. Not jumping out shouting "This Character is OP!" or something like that. This why I hate Online gameplays because bad things are going to happen in the community that will lock it up by a bunch of idiots that are completely Sore losers.

Lol they banned him in a “fighting game” full of busted characters that don’t get banned. Lame. Smash is inferior

If you see this, just know that there hasn't been a truly OP character in smash since brawl's Meta Knight

Rex waifus are broken huh

Mothra pog

funny how the pillars of smash suck on that time, IMO people were being bitches cus after 9 months nobody but Tea and Riddles who are Top Tier Players can use him properly. Nobody was able to push him farther in the meta after almost a year

Pyra and Mythra are the same character

Smash bro is a fighting game?

@nikkobird590

Ай бұрын

Platform fighter

I hope akuma is banned in tekken also

@King_Of_Clubz

Жыл бұрын

Kinda late to be hoping for this.

@omgzack53

Жыл бұрын

Yeah way too late since a new Tekken game is dropping next year

This is why no one takes smash seriously.

@nikkobird590

Ай бұрын

Good. Because no one should

if Kazuya is so broken in Smash why dont other people show results with him ? this is whack and they know it

smash's fighters pass 2 (basically the second season of dlc) has been very controversial across the playerbase because of its poor balancing. on a large scale most of the community doesn't want to ban him but the amount of broken tools he has is super frustrating kinda like akuma in tekken. while kazuya takes a lot of execution, his risk reward is way in his favor and because of it he ends up just trying to fish for electric to get his death combo. luigi in smash also has a similar kind of design, poor approach options but if he gets in then he can do a high execution touch of death combo. the difference is luigi gets blown up a lot more than kazuya does because of his weight (how far he gets knocked back after a strong hit, kazuya is considered a heavy weight) and how his tod combo only works at lower percents. both of these characters have the same issue of fishing for one thing, luigi with grab and kazuya with electric but kazuya gets it far worse basically just because he's dlc. as for steve and pyra/mythra since it came up in the vid, steve is sort of like ling; a super gimmicky character that needs a lot of labbing to get something done. the main issue with steve is how he gets rewarded far more than another character putting equally as much work, and that he is generally very buggy. labbers recently found out that steve has a tech where he can fall out of important moves and this has brought into question whether he should be banned. Pyra/Mythra is a different case because even though they are broken (imo) they still need fundamental smash skill unlike the other two who either set up elaborate flowcharts or fish for one move. they have everything a character can need whether its good approach options or great kill moves. while they are generally frustrating for the community, their neutral isnt over centralizing to the point of turning into an akuma situation, and a ban hasnt been discussed.

When MainMan said Jin is OP I arched an eye brow. Jin? OP? I agree with some of his takes here but THAT? Nothing short of blasphemy IMO. Jin is a strong, solid character but not wven remotely "overpowered"... 😒

@figlego

Жыл бұрын

Jin is op if you play him perfect. But anyone that good deserves access to his busted nonsense to be honest

@justmonika8540

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His only real weakness is his stubby arms. Other than that he's damn near flawless.