I will never forgive the Kinect for killing Kameo 2

@BrinIoca

Жыл бұрын

Another crime committed by the Kinect.

@AidenAlias

Жыл бұрын

​@AlexThaGamer89 I agree but I also would want Kameo 2 to not be so edgy, grim and "realistic" so maybe a blessing in disguise

@TubeOfLaughes

Жыл бұрын

I will never forgive the Kinect in general. It existence was a pimple on the face of the gaming world

@fastfreeze0183

Жыл бұрын

I seriously like the kinect

@Gabe413

Жыл бұрын

​@@TubeOfLaughes nah just dance is awesome

I've always considered Kameo to be a hidden gem. I always wanted to see a sequel. But it's been almost 20 years, and Rare is a shell of what they once were. So that'll probably never happen....

@renslo689

Жыл бұрын

I still remember playing it back in the day and really enjoying it. At the time it was really nice to look at and had charm. Would love a remake of it. You're right about Rare being a shell of what they were. Xbox has all of Rare's library of IP to make many awesome games, but don't do anything.

@SJ-co6nk

Жыл бұрын

Find me a golden age game studio that isn't a shell of it's former glory

@CantRead1

Жыл бұрын

​@@SJ-co6nk R/Gaming circlejerk moment.

@c.l.8213

10 ай бұрын

@@CantRead1 so you can name one (that develops for Nintendo consoles)?

@berkan5578

9 ай бұрын

I tried to play it and couldn't it was clunky and annoying. Played an hour and stopped

The one time Matt doesn't put a single Simpsons reference in his script, the person he interviewed makes a Simpsons reference. It's why he's the best folks. We are watching a master of his craft!

Coming from someone who played Kameo: Elements of Power, I can say that this was an underrated gem and a good launch game to balance out Perfect Dark Zero and Call of Duty 2. I dream for a release of a Kameo II that sticks with the original game’s cartoon aesthetic while expanding its action-adventure gameplay.

@dioni2892

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY 🧚❤️

@jakubbercik6965

9 ай бұрын

EXACTLY, I don't really care much for the darker theme, the original is fine, an expanded roster with a new engine and bigger scope would be dope

Kameo blew me away as a kid when I got it on the 360's launch day. The graphics were straight-up gorgeous, and that Badlands area where you could just roll through thousands of enemies was a pretty big and fun flex of next-gen power at the time.

I actually had a decent time with this one. Didn’t have me begging for a sequel. But wasn’t forgettable either. Was impressed with the number of enemies in certain moments.

@pcachu

Жыл бұрын

When I initially played it back in the day, I was fairly sure that the sheer mass of enemies on-screen at once in the Badlands was the true point of the exercise, at least for someone in the design team. Pause to marvel at the massive, moving crowd, then saddle up and mow right through them.

@silorion9967

Жыл бұрын

That was the first time I had ever encountered such a massive number of enemies. It fascinated me, and I wound up viewing it as a challenge to see how many I could kill.

@Cyberweasel89

Жыл бұрын

Same, TBH. I had fun with this game and though I found the setting kinda dull, the characters fairly flat, and the story not that engaging, I loved the visuals, had a ton of fun with the gameplay, and I found it overall quite memorable as the first Xbox game I ever played. I think had they put more detail and depth to the worldbuilding and cast, I would've been far more into wanting a sequel. Like, some detail on the different races of people in each region would've been nice. I was pretty fascinated by the plant people who had their faces on their bulbs and leaves for feet, since they slept upside down in dirt with their leaf feet sticking out of the ground. Like, that's the kind of worldbuilding I'd like to know more about when I see it in a work of fiction.

@KevinG3699

Жыл бұрын

I wanted a sequel or expansion pack

I like how British devs (and Rare in particular) are totally willing to spill tea about their own work. Makes me feel oddly patriotic.

@FuzedBox

Жыл бұрын

Let's talk about something ironic here: Out of all big devs from the 80s through the early 00s, Rare was INFAMOUS for being tight-lipped regarding business operations and the security of their projects. Occasionally, they'd do an in-depth tour/interview about a project either finished or in development, but only because either A) The situation required it, or B) That Big N demanded it. That really puts it into perspective how funny it is that we now know more about Rareware (a super-tight-lipped company) and its projects than most other successful developers from that same time period.

@steppin-razor

Жыл бұрын

​@@FuzedBoxinteresting

@sethlangston181

Жыл бұрын

Maybe becoming open is their off-handed way of saying they didn't like being bought out by Microsoft

@LucaHereFor3MonthsPremium

6 ай бұрын

Definitely not all of them

Kameo was one of my childhood games, I absolutely loved the story, gameplay, artstyle, characters, transformations. back then the game felt to me like a lightning in a bottle kind of game

From the studio that drove the N64 to single-digit frames per second at times, you know that realization had to sting. "We did it, mate!" "Yes, we certainly did." "One MILLION particle effects!" "One million." "All at once!" "Indeed." "And it's not slowing down!" "Amazing." "I just ... cor!" "I know." "A million!" "Yes." "..." "..." "Can't see for shit." "Bugger-all." "Guess we dial it back."

I liked this game a lot! Not perfect by any means, but it was creative and (at the time) looked amazing

@Khailward

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Far from perfect, but a hell of a lot of fun.

@Gokulosestoavirus

Жыл бұрын

It still looks good in many ways.

@VaporeonEnjoyer1

Жыл бұрын

I did too. It was pretty good for a launch title and there wasn't much else on the 360 if you got tired of CoD2.

@GameAW1

Жыл бұрын

I'd say it still looks great today in large part due to the art style.

@enderlordmac3336

10 ай бұрын

I still play this game once a year. It was my first video game I ever played

Man, I remember playing this game as a kid. The water particle effects used to fascinate me, as well as the orc blood that would clump together almost like jell-o. Fun times.

"Little more than a Kameo!" Does anyone else here love it when Matt makes some little joke or pun near the end of a What Happened episode? They tend to make me chuckle and smile a great deal!

First game I ever played on the 360. And, yeah, it's got issues, but I absolutely loved it. Played it again on the Rare collection years later, which is where I found out about the sequel that never happened. Made me quite sad.

@jorgeantonioenriquezmena4968

Жыл бұрын

Could you name any issues that come to mind?

@JWest8606

Жыл бұрын

@@jorgeantonioenriquezmena4968 The controls and camera can be a bit sluggish. I experienced slow down in the huge crowd moments on the original 360. And it doesn't always do the best job of telling you where you should be going, or what you should be doing. Nothing game breaking, but equally the game isn't perfect.

@jorgeantonioenriquezmena4968

Жыл бұрын

@@JWest8606 and about the core gameplay what do you like and dislike the most?

I don't think it was a bad game at all and I still think it looks great. It plus Nuts And Bolts were probably the only glimpse we got at that classic Rare art style in HD.

Remember playing this after Christmas of '05 and having a blast. It was confusing and weird, sure, but it could have easily been a franchise. Remember being really sad when it wasn't continued. Definitely one of the better 360 launch titles.

As a person who very much enjoyed Kameo: Elements of Power I want to thank you for showing me what could have been and will never get to experience with the concept for Kameo 2, I'm totally not bitter now or anything. (All seriousness, loved the video, great job my man especially due to the effort to actually get information from someone who worked on the game. Keep it up bud)

Followed it closely back in the day because the graphics blew my mind on the new fangled X-box 360. Honestly not a bad game at all and got to enjoy it again on the Rare Replay.

@Drbeckerproductions

Жыл бұрын

Seriously, I got the 360 just for this game after playing it at a kiosk.

Can't say the Kameo 2 stuff was up my alley, but got to respect the sheer scope and effort that went into a lot of that concept art. In any case, in hindsight, if Microsoft had the mentality to view Kameo sequel as an investment to build upon the modest success of the first game way back when, they would maybe have a healthier and more diverse stable of established in-house franchises and IP today the way Sony does (let alone Nintendo).

@1stCallipostle

Жыл бұрын

What does Sony have left now that they've basically left JP studios behind? I mean the PS5 is making the Xbox One look like it had exclusives at this point

@franticfranz22

Жыл бұрын

Sony? Diverse? What does Sony have? 🤣

Great video! I bought, played and completed Kameo when it first came out. I remember enjoying it far more than I thought I would. Definitely a hidden gem. I still believe it deserves a sequel. A Metroidvania style game with more transformations, puzzles and bosses would be fun.

It's so wonderful to see a big youtuber talk about this severely underrated gem many years later. Like this is seriously one of those games that people have never heard of, and I'm sure that like 99% of people watching this what happened series have never heard of it until this video. While I do have my issues with the game, some major (scrapped content and lost lore for example, seriously, there is a Kameo discord that managed to salvage so many lore and other things from this game's development that I and many fans believe would of made it better), mostly nitpicks, but overall I still very much enjoy it and I give it an 8/10. Oh, and two little obscure fun facts, the water trolls actually heal the plant elemental warriors when attacking, and the dragons (at least the red ones, not sure of the other type) heal the fire elemental warriors when attacking, I just recently learned this after many years of playing Kameo. Edit: Okay I tested it, and yes, the light blue dragons that appear in Snow Top Village and expert mode of the Snow Temple also heal fire elemental warriors. Also, I'm now more interested in a Kameo Remake before it gets sequels, as a remake has so much potential to improve from the original, and because almost no one has ever heard of Kameo, so going straight into a sequel to an obscure game decades later is probably a bad idea.

Wow, Kameo looks way cooler than I ever thought it was. Loved this episode, it went by so fast!

@silorion9967

Жыл бұрын

It had this fun design theme of looking cartoonish and cutesy on the surface, but absolutely brutal when it came to combat. You'd have enemy's impaled on icicles, punched into bits, and even cover the screen in thick green blood. Jolly good time, really.

I played this game in 2013, one of the first 'Games With Gold' to be offered, and I loved! It's so underrated, I would love a sequel or a remake.

Oh, this is one of those games no big youtuber seemingly talked about before recently. I really like Kameo, for how relatively simple it is. Really, I think most of the reason why almost nobody played it back then is that bafflingly, it was released on the same day as Perfect Dark Zero. Hindsight is always 20/20, but back in 2005, which game were you more likely to buy? The sequel of one of the most beloved FPS franchises of all time, or a new IP that was supposed to be released on the gamecube?

@maxxdahl6062

Жыл бұрын

I probably actually like this one more than perfect dark zero. But the original PD is amazing.

@KonniBel

Жыл бұрын

And so many other games like COD2.

I feel really bad for how Kameo turned out. Thesampleman introduced me to that game years ago, and I appreciated both the Ben Ten gameplay and the fantasy setting. Kameo deserved a sequel. It ended on a big freakin' cliffhanger.

Mann this year has been prime What Happun material.

The Lord of the Rings: Gollum (2023) - What Happened

@ibigfire

Жыл бұрын

That's way too recent, it's still an event in progress.

@owenbaker2.084

Жыл бұрын

@@ibigfire that didn’t stop Matt from doing Balan Wonderworld & GTA The Trilogy The Definitive Edition when they were recent games back then.

Man, Kameo II looked amazing from those concepts... I would have bought it for sure.

Surprisingly I only heard about this game thanks to some trailers that I found on my Grabbed By The Ghoulies game on my old Xbox. Ghoulies is pretty underrated by the way.

@AL-lh2ht

Жыл бұрын

Man Grabbed by the Ghoulies was another late rare game that was pretty dang good yet absolutely no one talks about. I feel like something was lost with the fall of rare where other companies don’t really follow the development style of rare. A huge loss for the industry.

@claytonrios1

Жыл бұрын

@@AL-lh2ht It's definitely a black sheep but it's a good one.

@spoontang

Жыл бұрын

Grabbed By The Ghoulies, Perfect Dark Zero, and Kameo were all considered pretty bad when they came out back then. Its crazy to see people 15 years later calling them underrated.

I remember knowing this game before Ben 10 was released and make the concept even more cooler

I love putting these episodes into a playlist and just watching them on loop, fucking awesome job as always!

loved this one a lot as a kid and even revisiting it as an adult it's undoubtedly charming

Kameo is really nostalgic to me and one of the first games I've beaten fully. I remember pestering my dad into buying it for me over Shadow the Hedgehog (it was more expensive than the Sonic game at the store we where shopping at).

10:01 That match cut! *chef's kiss"

Can't help but always marvel at your vocabulary. I strive to someday be able to produce writing of this quality. Wha Happun is always a treat to look forward to!

As weird as sounds I was actually really relieved when Kameo 2's pitch got turned down. I followed the development of the first game *obsessively* but I never liked the forced edginess of the K2 art direction, and honestly never liked the art style change the game got in 04 either. One of the best parts about this game was it's whimsical art and music (one of my favorite OSTs ever actually). I would love to see this IP get revived though. It could serve as a good Zelda-like alternative for the Xbox platform and with Game Pass in the mix a game with a more whimsical aesthetic could be gambled on more easily. Also RIP Meepo. Still bummed he was cut from the final game.

Ah Kameo, one of my favorite games from childhood. I can still pull it out and beat the game near 100% in about 10 hours. Super cool to hear about its development, and looking forward to more

While its sad we won't be seeing Kameo 2 for a long time until Rare decides its the right moment, I'd love to see Elements of Power ported over to PC

I finished this when it came out. Insane amount of polish and almost a homely winter break feel to it.

I always feel so bad for kameo, I adored it so much when I was a little kid. It had so so much for potential and I hate that it never really found its feet

i’m glad chris isn’t too torn up about it, an insane amount of work went into the story and lore that you never actually see in the game, that’s not even counting the rewrited and scrapped content. the fact game survived despite shifting development from 4 different consoles definitely proves rare’s tenacity

Forspoken: What Happened

@Narokkurai

Жыл бұрын

I feel like the episode would be fairly straightforward. Squeenix said, "We're losing relevance internationally! We need to be cool again! You there, make us cool with young Americans!" and then provided the writers absolutely no notes or advice on the tone of the game or setting.

@juststranger4010

Жыл бұрын

Or Final Fantasy Versus XIII

@bearerofbadnews1375

Жыл бұрын

@@Narokkurai Hi-Fi rush was Forspoken done right. Just with better character designs.

@johnbishop2536

Жыл бұрын

Similar situation as Anthem where Bioware had to make a game out of there E3 reveal trailer.

@Narokkurai

Жыл бұрын

@@bearerofbadnews1375 Well, not just character designs, but the entire tone and attitude of the game suit the dialogue so much more. Forspoken's dialogue isn't the problem, it's that it's a complete mismatch for the game itself.

Kameo sold 700k during the lauch period, but that didn't perform the Microsoft expected? Uhhh...they do know it was a launch title? Did they expect it to sell 1:1 with every 360 sold? They know they won't sell more copies of a game than there were consoles sold, right?

It truly is a shame we never got a sequel. This was one of the first games I ever played and I had to get it on Game Pass for all the childhood memories

Surprised Matt didn't mention that apparently there was a Kameo movie being planned out because it did so well.

We need a Myth: What Happened. It was such a cool serie that just cease to exist after the third entry.

this was the very first game i played for the xbox 360. my little cousin bought this for me. I loved it. I hoped for a sequel :(

I loved this game! It was basically fantasy Ben 10. I loved transforming from one elemental to the next. Ahhhh the game and the story is coming back to me. Not gonna lie, I had a crush on both Kameo and her evil ginger step-sister lol.

PRIMAL for the PS2 has an awsome story on why the sequal never got off the ground and why the games vast amount of history is lost in another demention. yet, the first game is still played today and even the rare fanbase that still makes it seem alive is still pushing for a remaster and sequal to reserface and be made today. from the lost comics of Primal to the fan made Primal wikipedia page and fanmade merch. PRIMAL for the PS2 is an amazing lost source of gaming material.

Kameo is one of the few Xbox games I ever owned and played, since my older brothers hogged the console most of the time. It's served as a huge inspiration for a collection of characters and ideas I would love to make into a video game some day. But I recently played it again on Game Pass, and my opinions on the game have definitely changed. The game kinda feels like a 360 tech demo, since every Elemental Warrior utilizes different parts of the game engine in their moveset. Kameo herself feels incredibly barebones in terms of combat, as her only saving grace is being the fastest way to traverse the map until late game. The score attack system on level replays is somewhat unconventional, and was WAY too tough for my younger self to pull off. And the less I say about the disappointing final boss the better. Despite all my issues with it, the game still does quite a lot right, and holds a special place in my heart. I really hope to see more from this series one day - If not a sequel, then at least make Kameo an MKOne kameo, do it you cowards!

I have always liked the character designs of this game.

Great video dude. Rare is my fav developer and you definitely did them justice with this.

You know what's funny and sad? They ditched Kameo 2, just to make something hated by everyone. But on the other hand, in a weird way, I'm kinda glad Kameo didn't get a sequel. I just prefer Kameo as a bright vibrant world with cute creatures. I'd hate it if they grounded Kameo, and took her graceful and smooth flying away. Kameo and Viva Pinata Trouble in Paradice, are my favourite 360 games. Kameo's visuals are so eye candy. The xbox one's selling point for me was Rare Replay. I had to get Kameo's figurehead in Sea of Thieves.. Looks awesome 😊

Can we all agree that Allcock is one of the greatest surnames in the world?

@Treblaine

Жыл бұрын

The name's Dick Allcock... Private Eye.

@1stCallipostle

Жыл бұрын

He's allcock, noballs.

@iamarabicandiloveamericanp7137

Жыл бұрын

​@@1stCallipostle lmao

I was honestly shocked at how much I LOVED Kameo. The fact Kameo 2 never happened is a crime against nature, science, religion.

This game was basically Skylanders before Skylanders.

Yes! I loved this game, my brother and I each completed it several times. Always wanted a sequent and was bumbed it never happened. Thanks for covering it at last!

Was going to leave a 'hot take' about how I actually like the game, and see that a ton of people already did. That makes me really happy.

No fucking way. I literally just thought about Kameo for the first time in several years today. But nobody ever talks about it now. So I looked up Kameo in the search bar, to see if anyone had made any retrospectives on it. And lo and behold, you made a video about it just yesterday. Amazing coincidence.

I remember really loving this game when it came out. It came in and out of my life multiple times, and I always had a great time playing it! Really wish it got a sequel. Here's hoping Microsoft gives it to them someday. Also, I remember always comparing this game to Ben 10 but turns out Kameo technically predates Ben 10.

@JennyBlaze253

Жыл бұрын

@@mountainmgtow5421 Sexist much?

“She is NOT a fairy!!” All I’m saying is that elves don’t usually have pretty wings, but the mid-aughts were going to be the mid-aughts.

A new, or even a full Condemned remake from the ground up would be absolutely phenomenal

The Rare: What Happened series will never be complete until you do an episode on the entire Battletoads series.

This always seemed like such an interesting concept. Character who transforms into monsters has been done a few times in media since then but very few in the vein of Kameo.

The year Rare died :(

I wish someday Microsoft revives this. This game has potential to be Xbox's "Zelda"

I always saw this game in the bargain bin a couple of years ago and never really paid attention to it, regret not picking it up now, actually looks like something I would have got into

I remember seeing this in target when the 360 just launched and being absolutely blown away by the graphics

The biggest death flag was probably the fact it was a launch title. Can you think of a single new IP launch title that actually went on to become a successful franchise in the last 30 years?

@maynardperalta3188

5 ай бұрын

Halo Combat Evolved

@ericp631

21 күн бұрын

Luigi's mansion, Wii sports, NFL 2k was such a huge success that EA bought the exclusivity to the NFL license to stop them from being made

This game was a part of my childhood. Ugh, the character design and music is nothing short of fantastical. Its an absolute hidden gem. God is it saddening seeing to the plans Rare had for Kameo: 2. While it may simply be an empty hope, I do hope that Kameo is revived in some sense in the future

Loved Kameo! Those graphics were gorgeous and better looking than most Switch games today. Great game.

I definitely would love to see an episode on the most fondly remembered rare xbox title Viva Piñata That game also had a really,really long dev time and unexpected origins as the game started as a PDA Pocket PC title

I love the rare studios art style so family friendly and at the same time not

Kameo was pretty fun and beautiful. Kameo 2 arts looked dope. It's a shame we haven't received anything interesting from Rare since (I hate Kinect and multiplayer only games) :C

@TeruteruBozusama

Жыл бұрын

It seems like Microsoft only bought Rare to screw Nintendo over but had no idea what to use their talents for..!

@ericp631

Жыл бұрын

​​@@TeruteruBozusama no they didn't. Nintendo had no interest in rare and Microsoft did (though MS was obsessed with trying to "screw over" Sony back then). Microsoft needed/wanted someone who knew how to make console games(something they are still looking for), so after attempting and being rejected by many studios(including Nintendo themselves), rare was the biggest name left on the list(who was still riding high after all their work for the N64), Nintendo who had been shopping around their shares in the studio for a year found someone willing to take them.

The reason I recall this game so well was it was shortly after my parents got cable again after years without it. There was a channel for a while that had game walkthroughs (and other game related content); the precursors to let's plays, pretty much and they always showed Kameo. It has such a weirdly idealized place in my heart for that, because I never owned or played the game; I couldn't even recall the name, I just knew how it looked and felt and recognized the main character.

I have the vague memory of playing the demo for this. I tried for years to find out what it had been until I finally saw it on Xbox a few weeks ago

Brooooo i loved this game, wish they released a sequel :(

Big props for the use of panzer dragoon music during the flying creature section

Matt should totally do a What Happened on Death Jr. There's a suprising amount of ground to cover.

I've been waiting for a PC port since 2005. I'M STILL WAITING!

It was awful nice of the interviewee to make the Simpsons reference for you.

I'm replaying this game after several years and I can't believe we never got Kameo 2 :( It's such a good game and the BK easter eggs are funny lmao. Definitely this game changed my childhood and made me love videogames so much

I'm a PC gamer all the way but this was one of my favorite childhood games. I still listen to the soundtrack now and then, it's got that magical fantasy vibe

Oh I remember this game! I remember it actually being pretty okay. Just a fun little adventure to play around in. Wouldn't mind trying to play it again one day. Need to see if my 360 is still working though

It's weird, I'd always heard Kameo talked about like it was some sort of major failure or the game was not very good. I wasn't expecting "Oh no, the game was fine and it sold fine, it just didn't sell gangbusters, so clearly it tanked."

@JasonRoofie

Жыл бұрын

You have to remember that on N64, Goldeneye outsold Zelda. Four of the best selling games on N64 were developed by Rare, and the sales figures relative to the install base and overly expensive N64 cartridges was insane.

Nice of you to keep the Word Up about Kameo 😅

@AfterAllWeAreHuman

Жыл бұрын

Kameo... don't even think about it.. we've got the place surrounded, come out with your hands up.

Ik there has to be a Staida Wha Happun coming soon 😂😂😂

This was the first game I played through when I first got my 360 back when I was like 10 years old. I'm sure it wouldn't be that great if I played it today, but I loved this game as a kid. It was a cool fantasy world with some cool monsters. More than enough for a young kid to fixate on.

I discovered Kameo for pure coincidence when I was a kid and owned a brand new 360… I can say that the game blew my mind at the time, more so since I basically bought that not even knowing what the gameplay was about, the cover art was enough for me to say: I must try this.

Shame we didn't get a sequel...the game looks very solid with gameplay reminding of Folklore a little bit, but with faster pace

We really need that sequel

Honestly, if Kameo 2 won't be in the works, then surely that won't stop us from doing some fanfic stories about it, and there are Kameo: Elements of Power fanfic stories. Another example of a fanfic using the story of a canceled game is a Batman Arkham fanfiction I saw that's based on the canceled Batman Arkham game that was supposed to feature Damian Wayne. I can't remember the name, though. But I do remember seeing it.

While I didn't play Kameo when it came out, I did play it on Rare Replay, and I thought it was pretty good. I would love to see Kameo come back someday, but since Rare/Microsoft seems to have little interest in bringing back their old IPs, I guess we just have to accept that painful truth.

The rare game that went from GameCube to the 360

@SoraTheKeyToEverything

Жыл бұрын

I think it was also planned for N64

There's a series I used to love to bits as a kid, Lost Kingdoms, was a weird game where you used a deck of cards to summon monsters and fight, it got a second game that I also enjoyed but I don't remember there ever being talk of a third game.

Can we find out What Happened to Zone of the Enders? Underrated franchise made by Kojima productions.

One of the things I've learned from this show is that console "generations" have done a lot of damage.

You know, I always wondered about this one. I saw adverts for this one on the original XBox consoles on display back in the early 2000s, but never saw it come out.

This was my favorite game as a child I'd rent it from a local video store all the time. It's an underrated game in my opinion.

Chris Allcock damn that man is packing a last name 😂

I think to myself: "And that's the last game Matt can talk about that was directly affected by Microsoft buying Rare." Then I get a flash of Grabbed by the Ghoulies, and must ask Matt "Wha Happun?"