I feel like the "Just ignore the cash shop" people absolutely did not ignore the cash shop.

@beefboss4203

11 ай бұрын

do you count the bright dust store as the cash shop? cuz if you dont then i ignore it but if you do then i dont

@SympatheticArsenal

11 ай бұрын

​@@beefboss4203Bright Dust can be earned without real money so no, while it is part of the in-game shop it's not part of the cash shop.

@beefboss4203

11 ай бұрын

@@SympatheticArsenal yeah but you have to get trough the cash shop so I was unsure

@keanuxu5435

11 ай бұрын

That's called projection

@workingonit5532

11 ай бұрын

The community needs to send bungie a message and not buy into silver not buy into dlc play the game if you want but its better if you don't so that bungie starts making good content again instead of the cash grab bare minimum content that we get now please spread this message we need to band together

Consider, so many of the cash shop cosmetics could have been a reward from a destination, a secret, a quest

@excaligaming2435

11 ай бұрын

honestly this. I would care less about the shop, if there were more prestigious gameplay cosmetics to be earned. Like, a special version of the dungeon armors/weapons for completing it solo flawless etc.

@dmajorray6154

11 ай бұрын

You mean almost all of them?

@christianwaters1114

11 ай бұрын

I honestly think the armor sets were supposed to be future armor sets to find on patrol or quests and then decided it would look better if everybody paid $10 for it.

@SantiagoGT15

11 ай бұрын

But think of the poor board of directors!

@EliteBlackSash

11 ай бұрын

Remember when they put the Dungeon sparrow in the cash shop 🤦🏽‍♂️

The main problem is. The effort and rescources get moved from in game rewards, to the cash shop. We don't have strike specific loot, or fun vanity rewards dropping from THE GAME.

@cangooz2240

11 ай бұрын

Strike specific loot lightfall give us only one strike one dam Bungie

@nukenade4623

11 ай бұрын

meanwhile in ff14 if i want a cool looking ultima or relic weapon. i can just go do the quest to get it. nothing else required

@mistavoid

11 ай бұрын

@@nukenade4623 you mean the game where you subscribe to play?

@SympatheticArsenal

11 ай бұрын

​@@mistavoidDestiny 2 is literally the same, I don't see your point. Only difference is that you have to pay once for the whole.

@nukenade4623

11 ай бұрын

@@mistavoid and gain access to 10k or more hours worth of content. you realize destiny is a subscription game as well right? but instead they hide it by doing it in the form of a "season pass" and only give you one to months worth of story whereas in ff14, im 100 hours in and still not done with the story nor done everything

The thing I like about the D2 cash shop is that the prices are so absurdly high, I’m not even tempted to spend money.

@thesavagegummybear7341

11 ай бұрын

If only everyone thought that way…

@ultracookienite5857

11 ай бұрын

Brokie Mindset

@Benjiizus

11 ай бұрын

I don’t care about people who spend money on stuff they like, but one of the problems people like November Hotel have is that they waste resources making the cosmetics, I guess

@sonicheroesmadsnes

11 ай бұрын

​@@Benjiizus the problem isn't bringing resources towards cosmetics, the problem is that the cosmetics are being made not to become loot, but to become items on the cash shop. Easily you could earn everything through gameplay (specially in destiny seeing the quantity they create for eververse), doing public events, lost sectors, daily missions or as a reward for your daily login... Idk, there are infinite ways for they to become a reward, but why do that if you can just buy it? (I'm thinking about easy ways to get reawardd for casuals, but you can easily do more hardcore triumphs for the rewards)

@wingytingy9600

11 ай бұрын

@@ultracookienite5857 dumb whale, what happens to your cool cosmetics when the game goes offline

Simply put, if Silver was replaced with the cash value of silver, people would rage over the prices. Classic sign of predatory monetization.

@-pressxtostart-

11 ай бұрын

And thats a reason why it isnt, another manipulative tactic

@HolyCodzta

11 ай бұрын

Can never buy the exact amount you need to buy something either which would leave you with some left over, making you more inclined to buy again later so your excess doesn't go to waste.

@electroeel148

11 ай бұрын

They would bitch and complain for five minutes before the shop refreshed, then they're going into debt to get the latest skins and what not

@alivape

11 ай бұрын

Excellent point. These companies need to just put a single layer over the way you send them money and people will defend them. Its absurd.

@lowdermanc

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention they price these in game items at just over what you can buy in one transaction. IE: 2000 points costs $20, so they will price their items at 2050 points, so you have to buy the 20 dollar currency pack, and an additional $5 pack.

It absolutely does affect the game, now matter how you look at it. Even just the fact alone that more shop items = more dev time making them = LESS dev time making the game.

@leo3967

11 ай бұрын

It's also rammed down my throat and consistently apart of the UI . I love getting an eververse engram from the pass , going to open it for a fucking blue sparrow only to see some cool ass shit in the shop menu - for £20 ...

@naiveoptimist5637

11 ай бұрын

​@@leo3967facts

@Assassin5671000

11 ай бұрын

As well as xp booster's to cut unnecessary bloat content instead of making the content fun to go through

@paranoidpanzerpenguin5262

11 ай бұрын

Modern studios would just move the devs onto a different project or lay them off. You're making the false assumption that the studio cares about adding marginal value to a product they already know will sell.

@todesziege

9 ай бұрын

@@leo3967 Yep, the cash shop is explicitly designed to be as hard as possible to ignore.

Glad this conversation is coming back up. Destiny is deplorable in its monetization. Ive never used Eververse out of brightdust. It feels like when I pay them for an expansion I’m actively paying them to fund Eververse content for pure profit, content I won’t be able to access.

@joshmanakajosh

11 ай бұрын

I mean as a consumer you have no control over what your money is used for, it's like this with every company, but eververse is cringe and needs to go

@gavinhendricks8689

11 ай бұрын

@@joshmanakajosh thats why I said “feels like” and not for certain. But when each season and expansion eververse receives more cosmetics than the earnable content in the game itself, it seems almost impossible to not feel that way.

@LostEnding_

11 ай бұрын

Only destiny?

@tonynash1234

11 ай бұрын

So stop paying bro

@joshmanakajosh

11 ай бұрын

@@gavinhendricks8689 yeah it's cringe, it's because developing content for eververse is cheap and low effort compared to doing actual work making quests or activities, plus bungie is probably focused on marathon rn so destiny will be on the back burner

It's hilarious because whenever someone says"oh just ignore the MTXs, you don't need them, they are fair", you KNOW they spent money on them and are just trying to cope.

To me it’s either choose cash shop or paid DLC but not both. When a game does both then it’s BS.

@slimjim540

11 ай бұрын

EXACTLY. These companies are scum

@ethangnasher3848

11 ай бұрын

Yeah.

@workingonit5532

11 ай бұрын

The community needs to send bungie a message and not buy into silver not buy into dlc play the game if you want but its better if you don't so that bungie starts making good content again instead of the cash grab bare minimum content that we get now please spread this message we need to band together

@coreybroussard5264

11 ай бұрын

@@workingonit5532 I’m just finishing up Destinys story for next year and then I’m done, definitely not gonna buy the marathon trash or any other IP from them

@ogre7699

11 ай бұрын

Ideally, we shouldn't have to deal with both, but some compromise is fair. And in some cases, paid DLC is justified. Cash shops just don't sit right with me, period. You want an example of cosmetic DLC done right, look to Deep Rock Galactic.

God, it's so refreshing to hear someone else see things this way. I feel like I've been screaming into the void with my friends.

@SmokinTonic

11 ай бұрын

feel that heavy, and this topic is just cash shops. i've been bitchin bout seasons and battle passes ruining games for years, and i still think im 120% right

@cameronberhow8596

11 ай бұрын

@@SmokinTonic For real.

@stangreener1704

11 ай бұрын

Fr its really frustrating that people doesn't see this as a problem and always say something ridiculous to defend this.

@4am446

11 ай бұрын

@@SmokinTonicyea the seasonal model is top tier ass

@TerrificConor09

11 ай бұрын

Truth if cosmetics werent as important why do they make so much money on them? point is cosmetics are important, video game companies figured out they can remove them and people will pay

Another big issue is the fact their have to be physical teams from the art department to work on cosmetics. When cosmetics become the primary way a studio is getting funds they will have incentive to put more and more people on it. Remember what neomuna looked like in the trailer?? And we get there and it’s bare, very little neon color, not that immersive etc. Its starting to take away from core elements and gameplay because of how much cosmetics have been focused on. I think a great example of this is D1 in taken king. The armor that came out is one of the best in history, you could simply earn it from playing. And on top of everything taken king had a spooky feel to it, you felt like you were going against a god-like being. We just don’t get that anymore.

@tanodz7635

11 ай бұрын

I feel like we're paying them for JPEG's.

Remember when you would play Raids to get the armour that, was not only themed to the raid, had unique perks you couldn't get on any other set, exotics you couldn't get anywhere else, unique sparrows you couldn't get anywhere else, ghost shells you couldn't get anywhere else and weapons that had unique archtypes AND perks you couldn't get anywhere else? Remember when there were hidden quests in the open world you could stumble across to earn hidden exotics? Remember when you entered the raid by completing a puzzle in the open world instead of a load screen? Remember when some story missions had secrets? (Black spindle) Remember when Destiny was actually good? Now players pay for literally everything and get none of the passion or care that it used to have. Destiny is the biggest case study in how to ruin a game and slowly increase microtransactions like boiling the frog that is our community. People need to stop defending Bungie.

@SiriusArcher

11 ай бұрын

Well I just wanna say, for secret missions and hidden quests, they stopped doing them because people would just go into the API and leak the hidden missions that were put in the game, so thats a community fault not a bungie fault

@ledizzy2634

11 ай бұрын

@@SiriusArcher hard disagree. They stopped them because they can't be assed anymore. Cool new content is cool new content whether it leaks or not. Think about it man, would the community suddenly reject Whisper of the Worm mission just because it leaked? Do you think players are going to go "Ah, nah, not playing whisper of the worm because I found out about it a few weeks earlier than I was meant to!" Or "Nah, cba playing Black spindle because I accidentally saw a reddit post about it" Stop defending Bungie.

@Anchor-Supreme

11 ай бұрын

I mean, Raids still have unique ships, sparrows, and ghost shells you can’t get anywhere else. On the perk department, I don’t really mind that Reconstruction can now roll on more weapons, that just gives us more weapon diversity in perks.

@SmokinTonic

11 ай бұрын

@ dev simps, you get absolutely nothing, 0 things out of defending greedy bums. do you want to be right that bad? cuz ur not, quit defending bungie

@Chris-iq5pr

11 ай бұрын

Og halo team is responsible for all the fun in destiny 1

People dont criticize the progression systems enough. Some games like overwatch entirely revolved around getting new skins, but removing any opportunity to earn in-game skins completely killed its feeling of progression

@workingonit5532

11 ай бұрын

The community needs to send bungie a message and not buy into silver not buy into dlc play the game if you want but its better if you don't so that bungie starts making good content again instead of the cash grab bare minimum content that we get now please spread this message we need to band together

@jamespeetz4008

11 ай бұрын

Theres skins in the free battlepass

@TheAreo4444

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@jamespeetz4008most of them are hot garbage

@todesziege

9 ай бұрын

@@TheAreo4444 It's gotten as absurd as companies actively putting resources into making _deliberately_ bland and boring free content to make the premium stuff more desirable.

@CErra310

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheAreo4444look up "moving goalposts"

I have a friend who's the epitome of the "consoomer" wojack. This man was straight up dropping damn near ONE HUNDRED dollars a week on Silver at the Eververse shop. He'd see something shiny and just go "oooooooo!" and buy it without a second thought. Boys, don't let yourself become that guy.

@Pannikin_9

14 күн бұрын

then why are you friends with him you seem to talk shit behind is back

Imagine having the chance of earning those cash shop items as rewards from doing strikes and other modes . The game would be much better

At first I was on team “you don’t have to buy it” but now I can understand why some people get upset. It’s about the core principles for what in game cosmetics stand for

@curie1420

11 ай бұрын

$84 skin set in valorant gonna be more important than a $10 meal...... WHO NEEDS TO EAT RIGHT?

@AYAKXSHI

11 ай бұрын

@@curie1420to be fair valorant has trading like csgo if im not correct so there value is calculated differently than base price

@curie1420

11 ай бұрын

@@AYAKXSHI no you cant, i think it was on 2020 that i last played valorant and i remember riot never allowing skin trading because its not a loot box if you played valorant now or anyone you know plays, ask them if riot has skin trading now

@nqrayback2411

11 ай бұрын

@@curie1420 nah still doesn't have trading

@Lostouille

9 ай бұрын

​@@curie142084 ???! Damn 80 bucks is a monthly budget for food for a poor family....😳😳😳

We can talk about destiny 2 having a bad micro transaction forever. So sad that game died (at least for me), because i loved destiny 1 and had many hopes for sequel.

@Swan94y

11 ай бұрын

The plus side Destiny has is bright dust, you can earn some stuff by that system at the very least

@Cappy_Cat

11 ай бұрын

How is cosmetics enough to make you leave a game 💀

@excaligaming2435

11 ай бұрын

@@Cappy_Cat I mean, it can be the final drop in the bucket, if you are already fed up with the dogshit gameplay

@Cappy_Cat

11 ай бұрын

​@@excaligaming2435Yeah if you think the gameplay is dog shit that's a you problem ibr. Don't play the game if you don't like it, tho I question how people like you claim to be d1 vets, I know you didn't say that, but like the guy who made the comment is being a complete tosser.

@christophermcgee3809

11 ай бұрын

​@@Cappy_CatI love destiny but in destiny if you play for free you really get nothing I'm love the storyline but it's to much spending over 100s of dollars in destiny in the store to buy dlc , season pass , dungeons then items that cost silver to get everything new day one even event when that used to be free with gear you earn for free that had full armor sets you didn't have to pay for and half of d2 content is vaulted I can't justify bungie behavior it's wrong

The bears metaphor is funny as fuck

I remember back in Destiny 1, when Crota's End hard mode dropped, my Fireteam was one of the first 100 (I think I never really checked but one of my friends told me so) to beat Crota on hard. And when you did beat the raid you'd get this cool shader called "GloWhoo" which was a florescent skin and it was so cool because there was no other shader like that at the time. We actually would get flocked by Randoms on the tower just to check us out for a little bit.

@saviergg2351

11 ай бұрын

sad that that era is dead, you used to feel cool when ppl would check out your drip, cuz you worked hard for it, now its "wow, he blew 30$ neat, anyways"

“It’s just cosmetic” is the laziest way to dismiss microtransactions. It pretends that monetization is divorced from the core game’s design which is NOT the case. Those very “cosmetics” pull resources away from other areas of the game and in-fact, business and design work hard to WEAVE the microtransactions into the core experience so that it’s hard to play the game without constantly engaging with them.

@NovemberHotel

11 ай бұрын

Exactly

@Blanktester685

10 ай бұрын

rare crossover nice

I have been playing the Destiny franchise since day 1, and I'VE NEVER PURCHASED ANYTHING FROM THE EVERVERSE STORE AND NEVER WILL. The player base are delusional when they say " as long as it's cosmetic and not pay to win then it's okay " Now gaming companies take some of the best looking items that should and definitely can be earned in game and charge real money. It's pathetic. It's also EVERY person who said " it's only cosmetic " are to blame for this.

@jesseritchie9282

11 ай бұрын

Exactly! It's both Bungie, and the community are freaking delusional.

@maximilianoalcaraz7351

11 ай бұрын

But I have only a couple of hours a week to do whatever I want on a game, I want to look cool now...not in 8 months worth of gaming. I now the feeling of being cool throu dedication. I ve been there, I was like that in WoW days back in 2007 up to 2013. But now I'm a 33 y/o dude...I want a cool brown duster, some cool looking shades and a cowboy hat without having to go to the same raid 999 times with 1% chance of drop in order to get 1 of those 3 items. Only to repeat it again for the next 2 for who knows how many hours. There needs to be a middle ground, some cool looking stuff at the shop (for lazy people or busy people) and even cooler looking stuff in game (for sweaty teenage tryhards or jobless adults, no offense). Maybe not a shop at all, maybe just a season pass or battle pass, so even you are paying for cool looking stuff you still have to grind to unlock them. IDK. I'm not talking about D2 or D4. Never play either of those games, I'm talking in general. For example, I bought SF6 recently, I could go and buy classic oufits for $10 right now or I could play World Tour and unlock it for free after a couple of hours. Once you finish 1 world tour you unlock every classic costume. So, why would I pay for something that is free and I can unlock it after a minimum effort?. Now, let's say someone tells me: Dude, world tour has x% drop rate on a classic costume (that could be for acharacter you don't even play). The whole thing is roughly 4 hours worth of gamming every time you want to unlock a random classic skin...OR....pay $10 and buy the costume you want right now. I would be HELL NAH, i'm not playing God knows how many hrs only to get Cammy classic costume...I'm paying and be done with it.

@jesseritchie9282

11 ай бұрын

@@maximilianoalcaraz7351 I love this perspective, and it also encapsulates how much video games don't do as much as to make it where you can get every cosmetic you see in game, or it's just a 0.05% chance. Rng kinda sucks

@bastionmain9349

11 ай бұрын

​@@maximilianoalcaraz7351thank you Bungie employee no. 2137, very cool.

@madnessguy1300

11 ай бұрын

​@@maximilianoalcaraz7351stop paying for shit. They are in control of how hard things are to obtain and are making it a slog on purpose, to fleece people like you.

I hate it when other content creators and players say that people like you and Darkside Royalty are being "Too Negative" simply because you're being critical of Bungie. It's funny because these people defend Bungie at every turn, despite the fact that Bungie doesn't even care about them. Only their wallets.

@darthkai3621

11 ай бұрын

Oh I love Darkside Royalty! He’s a cool dude by far😁

@SiriusArcher

11 ай бұрын

@@darthkai3621 Darkside is actually just annoying and a nerd, bro doesnt actually know what hes talking about

@Fadedagent64

11 ай бұрын

i personally dont like DSR he just whines mostly and does the stupid "bUt JoKeR" shit. i dont like bungie as a company and i watch november because again, DSR is annoying when he delivers his videos and also does the "i told you so" thing when hes right and youre wrong. like sure i can admit to a fault but... its just annoying to hear a grown man say that to you.

@calebdesjardin5635

11 ай бұрын

I like Darkside royalty when he isn't reusing the same 3 jokes in every episode. Like really, he makes good points but I don't wanna listen when he's being an annoying twat

@darthkai3621

11 ай бұрын

@@SiriusArcher you say that, but the majority of what he predicted turned out spot on. Like players actively spending in the cash shop, Bungie screwing up the story, Bungie leaving PvP to die, Bungie ripping off Micheal Morcock by having Crow as their version of Elric.

This is such a first world problem. If anyone in our friend circle buy cosmetics from cash shop in any game they are getting bullied so hard they are gonna never log in that game again.

@kyloedgelord2507

10 ай бұрын

Only right way to deal with them

"Just ignore it" My brother in christ it`s literally a tab in the main menu where everything else is, it`s designed so it CAN`T be ignored lol

@darkshamrock5763

11 ай бұрын

Also after earning a new exotic you get a pop up saying you should check out the ornaments in the shop for it. 🥴

I wish this video got more exposure. I miss the days when flexing and looking cool was all about playing the game and not about spending $20 on a skin. Take me back lol

@-pressxtostart-

11 ай бұрын

Its human nature to ignore a problem until it become too much to ignore, its in our dna. You ever had toothache and put off the dentist because the thought of pain you might feel is worse than now, so you wait until it rots and you spit out a bit during brushing, its normal, we all do it, and thats why people try to ignore it, but for us, the problem has become too much. Its affected game development industry wide, and when one company is baking a sweet delicious cashshop pie, why wouldnt every other game company want a slice, when billions are on the table.. why settle for millions?

@MrAjking808

11 ай бұрын

Yeah to people who want to play the game all day & night

@maximilianoalcaraz7351

11 ай бұрын

bro is still 14 playing WoW in 2006... my man...I'm 33 y/o. I can't play video games for more than a couple of hours a week...I want to look cool now, not in 14 months becuase I have to grind 999+ times the same raid. There needs to be a middle ground between Skins shop and In-game cool looking stuff.

@_-candy-_

9 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@maximilianoalcaraz7351because in a looting game, looting is fun. so when most of the loot is unobtainable because people wanted shortcuts for the game, it becomes worse. it’s no longer a game where you kill things to loot, it’s a game where you spend money for loot.

@Justfillintheblank

9 ай бұрын

@@maximilianoalcaraz7351 In a well developed game, it wouldn't need to take "14 months" to "grind" what you want. It'd take a few nights & there wouldn't be any grind, because the gameplay would be fun.

"Just ignore the cash shop!" is the same meaning as "Just ignore the scattered garbages on the street! Someone will take care of it!"

i feel like its also important to mention in regards to the cash shop and actual earnable to buyable armour/shader ratio more armours and shaders get added consistently to eververse than they ever do to the game. how many shaders were added to the playable portions of the D2 with lightfall? genuine question for people because i'd like to know. there's what. like 3 shaders per season that can be earned by just playing the game and not buying the season? 5 if you do buy it? there's at most a single earnable armourset per season? we haven't gotten new vanguard, crucible, or gambit armours in a long time too so its not like there's stuff to earn there how many shaders have been added to eververse with lightfall alone? i think its like 12? with usuaully 6-7 a season added for silver first and then bright dust later? yes there's technically two armousets per season, but i want to remind people that the cosmetic armour in seasons is not only something you can pay to get, its also something that's required to be bought.and is a timed thing so you if you don't get it all before the season ends its gone forever

Bungie certainly has a team that is preying on today’s mindset that is pushed on young people in regards to “how do I look to other people?” Rewards needs to be had/ given right now. Instant gratification is been jammed down young people’s throats. They are told what people think of how you look matters. When in fact, it does not. No one’s really cares. No one except yourself. This is how they are cashing in, monetizing the game. People need to step back and realize, that how your guardian looks doesn’t and will not impact how well you do or don’t play this game or any other. Sadly, this need for fashion inclusion will be a monstrous task to scale back.

@pliat

11 ай бұрын

yeah that's a thing exclusive to the modern day right?

Honestly the Rhulk emote and finisher was just a slap in the face for people with Disciple-Slayer Seal

@sovl2178

11 ай бұрын

Exactly.

exact same mindset of people who would defend a game that was released incomplete with lots of unfulfilled promises, after X amount of time "bro just install mods to fix it"

These are no longer microtransactions. They have become macrotransactions.

@Roxor128

8 ай бұрын

If someone spends over $1000 on them, they become kilotransactions.

Cosmetics do effect the game, if someone finds no issues with the cash shops in those games then they're not their target. Cash shops, battle passes, paid timed events, ect exist to target a very specific subset of people, people with things like ADHD that get an endorphin rush from say unlocking a new cosmetic & suffers from the fear of missing out. Those people would be willing to spend tons of money they don't have on a game they just slightly enjoy.

@workingonit5532

11 ай бұрын

The community needs to send bungie a message and not buy into silver not buy into dlc play the game if you want but its better if you don't so that bungie starts making good content again instead of the cash grab bare minimum content that we get now please spread this message we need to band together

The easiest way to ignore the cash shop is to uninstall and refund the game for being trash. Full price games using a business model designed for free to play games has little justification.

Thanks bro. You eloquently explained the core issue with this BS. Cosmetics are part of a game. All majortransactions are amputated bits of the game that could have made it a whole experience. But greed is a powerful drug.

Great video. The turn to "free 2 play" I believe is the root of the problem. It's tricky we just want good games. Games that are fun and reward our time. When games go free to play, they need to make a profit somehow. The lines of morality start becoming extremely debatable. I totally agree with you that especially in reg kind of games, cosmetics are what you grind for. They are status and an achievement. When they can just be sold, it takes all the grind away making it seem meaningless.Great points, great video man

@todesziege

9 ай бұрын

The free-to-play business model absolutely incentivizes making worse games.

As great as this video is and as much as I agree with it, unfortunately it will never be enough to change anything, and it pains me to say that, but too many people won’t stand up to these shitty tactics and the company’s know they can get away with it.

Im gonna be honest though, when it comes to all the eververse armor sets, i think 90% of them look like overlyflamboyant garbage that i have zero interest in. This would be a much bigger issue for me if destiny 2 armor design artists were more competent

@joshuavidrine889

11 ай бұрын

You're right on that mark, D2's art direction just isn't as appealing as Destiny's art style. It's like the designers were told to just throw anything at the wall and see what stuck, while in Destiny they had a cohesive set of standards and rules to upkeep in order to maintain the believability and immersion of the world. Sure, D2 has some cool armor designs, but seeing a Titan that looks like he's wearing a mix of trash bags, cacti, and a unicorn hat while looking like he hasn't done leg day ever doesn't sell me on that character being Humanity's best, the special Guardian who defends Sol from world erasing threats. He looks like a clown instead.

You may not believe this, but the company of Funcom actually has this problem BADLY in one of their games, not just in this aspect but in the complete opposite manner in one of their other games. Basically they've abandoned Age of Conan for years on end with little to no new content coming in for years upon years on end, and they've outright refused to add any new cosmetics for the remaining playerbase despite them asking and begging them for it lol. Mind you they aren't asking for crap like hoodies and beanies in Conan either, people typically want some of the new armor sets from Conan Exiles as vanity sets within Age of Conan as well as many other types of gear in the game currently as vanity gear, especially those only belonging to other classes, and this also extends to other race options as well. Meanwhile on Conan Exiles they've been adding more and more modern gaming business practices like battle passes and a "bazaar" cash shop exactly for cosmetics, ALA Halo Infinite-style.

The worst part for me, is how they’re selling legendary armor ornaments that would have been actual armor that you could earn from nightfalls. Imagine if they made the psion cloaks from Destiny 1 a cosmetic, or the dark blade titan helmet!

I agree with pretty much everything said here. The thing that made me give up and just quit the game entirely is when i saw the state of lightfall and event cards. Having to buy your way into every little thing you can imagine just like the EA video memes from 5-6 years ago becoming reality. I don't have a personal big income yet as i am barley at the age where I can have minimum wage jobs in my area, so my dad pays for most of my gaming stuff. I've always been grateful for that and it would be rewards for good grades in school and other things. But when I started having to ask him " can i get the season pass, the deluxe edition, etc: " when I would get new dlcs...it became a self induced guilt-trip that would eliminate any enjoyment from the new stuff I bought within a few hours of playtime. eventually it just became too much and eventually it just wasn't worth it anymore and so I quit.

The thing is, i cant ignore it since so many players have cash shop cosmetics. It’s literally there in front of me, the players are the advertisements.

@erso_returned2530

8 ай бұрын

Never cared about these damn cosmetics. Never cared about looking cool.

you might think that cash shop cosmetics look cooler than raid armor sets, but people still recognize paid cosmetics versus earned end-game gear.

@-pressxtostart-

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, because they cant ignore the cashshop they tell everyone to ignore, you couldnt tell the difference if people actually ignored it like they try to pretend is possible

@keroseno-po1pw

11 ай бұрын

@@-pressxtostart- the point is that we feel the cash shop hurted the rest of the game because we noticed a decrease on the quality of the expansions and seasons especially the seasonal loot that are more than half of the content reskins and with less unique new armor sets and weapons obtained on playlists meanwhile the eververse adds more new unique models every season

Its the same as people that defend scam artists. Saying "Fraud is just a business model" is the EXACT same reason criminals keep doing fake kickstarters and all that, since they know people will let them keep getting away with it.

You nailed it. ITS ABOUT PRINCIPLE. I would rather a shop charge me 10 bucks for something, then 5 bucks, and after I pay, they tell me that's only the wrapper, and I need to pay another 5 bucks before I can enjoy the stupid thing I thought was 5 bucks. These are aggressively predatory practices. Plain and simple. That's exactly why I enjoy finding skill-based microtransaction games, playing until I mop the floor with a whale with 4000k hours, then uninstalling. It brings me joy.

Glad to say I’ve never bought anything that’s in the store I like to get stuff actually playing the game.

A side effect of this for me is that I’ve basically completely tuned out of admiring other player’s cosmetics or keeping track of where those cosmetics even come from. When I see a dude ride up on a dripped out horse in Diablo 4, I just defaultly assume he bought it in the cash shop. This also causes me to care less about what my own horse or character looks like. “Good enough” is a term that goes through my mind a lot when I’m in my character wardrobe nowadays.

The *dont like it, dont buy it* crowd honestly are some of the most annoying corporate slobbers

2:05 the even funnier thing is that you aren’t even buying lines of code, you’re buying the PERMISSION to use them in another bundle of code your paying for the permission to use.

Some people may think you’re whiny, but I think you’re actually a good KZreadr. You make valid and reasonable points about why Destiny is failing as a game. I feel like your videos are the reason I uninstalled Destiny 2. The way Bungie is handling the game is just horrible.

@SantiagoGT15

11 ай бұрын

I’m happy that people are finally coming to sense after so long and not only for D2, I miss buying a complete game

@molecule8611

11 ай бұрын

@@SantiagoGT15 I've been feeling negative about Destiny 2 ever since Beyond Light. It escalated a lot during Plunder

@willbyrn5920

11 ай бұрын

At the end of the day the industry isnt changing. People already know everything he said in the video. At this point, whats the point of this video? are you all just gonna not play games anymore? have fun doing that i suppose.

@asplla

11 ай бұрын

@@willbyrn5920best reply I’ve seen yet. Everyone in this comment section is bigot.

@workingonit5532

11 ай бұрын

The community needs to send bungie a message and not buy into silver not buy into dlc play the game if you want but its better if you don't so that bungie starts making good content again instead of the cash grab bare minimum content that we get now please spread this message we need to band together

whats even crazier is the community for Destiny is so fucking brainwashed now they literally let people vote on what new armors or weapon ornaments will be added to the cash shop for 1/5 or in the case of armor 1/3 of the annual expansion price and people eat it up like rabid animals.

Destiny 2 is bad too because of the transmog system. Yeah its there, but its very telling that you can even max out the synthstrand from Ada's bounties in a season. Cap is 15 and you can only do 10 counties per character per season, but don't worry. You can buy some synthweave for money though. Too bad theres not a way to get the exact amount of currency you need so you get trapped in a cycle of almost enough

As a Halo fan, the amount of people defending 343 for their choices not just in gameplay but their monetization is saddening and baffling.

Bear example is gold 😂. I know it’s not a live service game but God of War doesn’t have cash shop and if you want the best Super move, you gotta beat number of bosses. Sure if you play on easy mode, it’s not hard but I love challenge aspect so I play on hard mode and when finally I beat all bosses and got that super move. Oh man what a accomplishment.

@NovemberHotel

11 ай бұрын

I love earning the cool skins or “outfits” in games. Used to be how I spent so much time in the old Assassins Creed games and even Red Dead 1 as well.

The way you roasted the guy that called you broke and your explanation of the whole system is perfect. Subbing.

2:40 the camos also worked on every single weapon, in new cod it’s $25 for 1 gun and if you customize it AT ALL, it doesn’t look anything like what was advertised

They defend the companies and cosmetic system because they don't want to feel the regret or humility of knowing they dropped $200 on broly booty skin. Similar to that of a gambling addiction, "i got to have it for 2 seconds"

I just can't understand what people must lack emotionally to not want to earn cool stuff

@MUSiCK9

11 ай бұрын

I can imagine it going something like this "Bro I just don't have the time! Just give me the option to buy this stuff so I can skip the grind bro come on I need to support the devs for their hard work for $49.99" Hard to believe those people are more common nowadays. We used to mock those "Gamers".

@wtfox8206

11 ай бұрын

@@MUSiCK9 skipping the grind in a game about the grind is laughable

@erso_returned2530

8 ай бұрын

@@wtfox8206 They have very small attention span and just want to be done with it.

Keep up with these videos! They are fantastic

Never preorder, never buy day 1, and never purchase microtransactions.

I work in a publicly traded company and I've been a part of several dozen meetings where we talk about increasing revenue, and how "valud-add" plays into that. Skin are a value-add. They know they can't charge more for the base product, so they want to drive engagement by making customers sell more inside the ecosystem. Everyone that knows anything about the industry knows this. But we only talk about what they're doing and not why they're doing it. It's for the Stonks. Every since video game companies became publicly traded, they've run into a massive hurdle. Their Market Cap. In video game standards, these companies have fully matured. In NASDAQ standards, they're barely startups. Meaning backing in the day $10bn valued ATVI (Activision) had to compete with other $10bn tech companies. Now in NASDAQ, the lower the value, the more they have to be making in overall revenue. Investors mostly care less about net revenue than overall revenue. This leads to an issue where Blizzard and Activision have to suddenly make a lot more money than their used to making. Selling more copies won't do that because there's only so many people that'll play CoD and WoW. So they have to make more money per player. ATVI did this with DLC but it was EA and Andrew Wilson that brought on the advent of the Mtx. Folks don't realize just how much pressure the companies are under to drive up stocks. CEOs making a gazillion dollars a year are mostly making that in stocks. It's not like they're paying themselves, because the shareholders want to pay them that. Like stocks are kinda make believe money. So if I'm a shareholder, my stock went up, and if the company is big enough, paying the CEO isn't really gonna do anything to stock price so I'm happy to keep him as long as he makes the price go up. This will never be solved. Companies will never be ok with making good money because they're expected to make the most money. The NASDAQ drives that. Not the CEOs. Even ATVI is considered a small company compared to the company I work at. ATVI is around $70bn market cap and my company is around $120bn market cap. My company see themselves as the underdogs. So do the other tech companies that are sub $100bn market. Again, the lower the market cap, the more money they're expected to make. Especially when they're listed in the NASDAQ, and not all companies are. The only we can play games that respect our time and money is to support the devs that are actually doing that now in the indie and AA scene. That said it's only a matter of time before they're either go Public or get bought out by a public company. In which we'll start the cycle again

"it doesnt effect gameplay so they can get as scummy and predatory as they want!" these people do not exist i refuse to believe it

@NovemberHotel

10 ай бұрын

They unfortunately are in my comments section on EVERY single video I’ve ever uploaded. Also Twitter is filled with them by the millions…legitimately

@shatteredakuma

10 ай бұрын

@@NovemberHotel its sad to see how complacent people have gotten with companies. i hope things change but im losing that hope by the day

You can ignore the cash shop sure, but you can’t ignore the fact that the game is inherently structured to push you into the shop.

Cosmetics should represent your accomplishments, almost like a military uniform with ranks. It was EARNED, not paid for to be worn like a Halloween costume.

I remember there was a time were you earn in game currency and spend it on the game, and you can earn by playing the game or completing challenges. Gosh I miss the black ops 1 and halo reach days.

Just imagine no cash shop and all of these cosmetics and armor sets were just all earn-able in game. Play times would sky-rocket and there would be several new things to hunt down in game.

@MonstertruckBadass

11 ай бұрын

Yeah but then Bobby McChucklefuck O'Money MBA would not get paid a yearly bonus of 200k USD

It's videos like this that make me appreciate games like FFXIV more. Yes there's a cash shop (Mogstation) but it's not shoved in your face like Eververse, and you can look cool without buying an outfit. Want to look like a gunslinger? Farm Hero's Gauntlet for the aiming chest piece, then farm Eden's Gate for a hat with a white feather. Destiny 2 doesn't have this type of option, every armor piece you get looks bland in my opinion and it's a nightmare to match things to give it that good look

@-pressxtostart-

11 ай бұрын

Is mogstation even accessible in the game, from my memory it wasnt, or atleast, would pull up a browser on your console. I dont even remember the store being in game in FF online, which is great!

@Lupercalum

11 ай бұрын

@@-pressxtostart- only through the website so you have to actually want to go there instead of having it shoved down your throat

In my country an average small chocolate bar used to cost 12p and the king sized ones at 15p in GBP

I remember when people were saying Diablo Immortal's over-monetization was to help fund Diablo 4, and that D4 wasn't going to have such predatory practices. When D4 launched, those same people backpedaled into the "Just cosmetic ignore it" routine. You're right. This is only going to get worse. Unless something changes with the *community*, it will never end.

Adam g's been real quiet ever since this dropped

To this day I still have not gotten over the fact that you’re paying *HUNDREDS* for expansions, seasons, Keys, etc. and the majority of the armor, weapons, and cosmetics you’re getting are either reskins of D1 content or D1 content altogether. My entire D1 loadout is in D2, for a price. What’s the point of buying an expansion when it’ll be sunset in a years time? What’s the point of buying a season that only lasts a few months? D2, it’s monetization, and it’s players are the largest perpetrator of everything we hate in the video games industry. Lord only knows how bad they’re going to monetize the Marathon reboot. Couldn’t have made it a single player shooter like it used to be, now it’s an online extraction shooter. Cause that’s what everybody asked for

@joshuavidrine889

11 ай бұрын

Marathon's name is already stained with the reboot's announcement being from modern Bungie. We all know their business practices like the back of our hands, and Marathon is going the be chunked up into bits for them to try extracting money from any players who touch it. From how consistently badly they've treated players ever since Shadowkeep - namely the implementation of greedier monetization, the nigh-abusive levels of tasks they set for "community events" with minimal reward for completion, the removal of paid content that was never marketed as temporary or seasonal content, neglecting core aspects of the game at best and at worst actively sabotaging the experience of those core gameplay loops by removing content and in the case of the Vanguard playlist littering it with copypastes of the exact same cheap mission but reskinned slightly differently, and delivering less and less content to players through gameplay while pumping more content into the Eververse store - why would we expect Marathon to be any different? From what we've seen, it barely looks like Marathon's classic, actual games, it's more like a post-modern fashion shooter set in the factory and production areas of Westworld as well as the city Mirror's Edge takes place in. Maybe a bit of Cyberpunk is in there as well. It seems cool, but it's so unfaithful to the original Marathon that if it didn't have the name you wouldn't think it's related unless you know what you're looking for.

Agreed. Early WOW kept me engaged because the progress I made was shown on my character through armor and stats. While I don’t think expensive skins is the best way for monetization, it’s for sure better than the prevalent p2w that’s popping up in all these rpg, and grind games.

I saw a bunch of people trashing you on Twitter and I just found it so funny that they’re shitting on someone for bringing real issues to light while also defending a billion dollar studio

W bear story

instead of ignore the cash shop just bully and shame anyone that buys stuff from it

I used to play Warframe, and you would occasionally get people who dropped like 200$ on some platinum bought everything in the game and then quit playing after a week because they had nothing to do, meanwhile I was always farming for new stuff because i was the one who sold them their gear, good times

i agree with everything said, but i think some of the problem was created by us players. Remember those dope trial armor sets? also remember how sweats started charging ppl 50+ dollars for carries so normies could get that armor? I do, and i think bungie saw that and was like damn lets get in on that. I also think its the era of instant gratification, no one wants to earn or grind for stuff they want it instantly and will pay to do so.

I rarely comment on videos, but I feel I had to this time. Keep up the good work man. You easily could conform to these greedy corporations and promote these scam of a game, build a channel around said games, have way more subscribers and make more money, but no you're deciding to expose the truth. I can only respect someone that doesn't sell out and choose to shine a light on these shady AAA studios. Your videos pretty much take the words right out of my mouth. I miss the days of old where when you buy a game, it came as a complete game that you can spend hours on either solo or with friends and have legit fun. Don't let these "whales" steer you off your path. You're doing good work!!! I hope you see this bro. Easily get a like and subscribe from me!

@NovemberHotel

11 ай бұрын

Thank you I really appreciate this comment. Sometimes it feels like I’m alone out here when it comes to my distaste with modern gaming but comments like yours remind me that there’s many others like me. Glad to have your support! Working on the next project right now! 🤙🏼

That candy bar argument actually made a lot of sense. I hadn't considered it like that, but yea, the skins in these games provide nothing more than a candy bar's worth of joy, so why is it okay that one is $20 and the other is ~$0.99? How did anyone ever sign off on that as a good price? I suppose if the players will spend that amount... Sheeple really love to make life worse for the rest of us, huh?

@timewellspent8137

11 ай бұрын

Oh boy and the bear argument really hit me.. I'm so dumb for ever spending a cent on Cash-bought drip.....

@taragnor

11 ай бұрын

Honestly what gets me is the fact that $20 is essentially 1/3 of a full game. So for the cost of 3 $20 cosmetics you can literally buy a whole new game.

Today, you earned my sub. I never played many online games and my first experience was destiny 1 during the taken king dlc. I still remember loading into the tower for the first time and seeing someone with the exotic sword boltcaster, and then trying to grind my way to actually getting that sword since I thought it looked so cool. I spent ages grinding for it but when I finally got it, it ended up being my most used weapon. I loved how it looked and also how powerful ot was. I will never forget that experience. It was one of the longest grinds in any videogame I played up till that point. I dont think I would have cared as much if I could have just bought a skin. That might be why I havent played much destiny 2 after I tried to lenjoy the game through the first 3 dlcs and ended up dropping the game.

Even though (in Destiny's case) yes it's just "cosmetics", you can't really ignore it all the way because they shove it in your face technically. You see someone or a friend walking with a ornament that they got on the shop, or a weapon ornament, hell even the eververse engrams that they give you for free on the pass redirects you to the store and once it's open it leaves you there and you eventually get that itch to explore it. Like at this point in time you can ignore it yeah, but it gets really difficult to do that when in every instance the game shoves it in your face that they have new ornaments, etc in the store. Personally I just vibe with the style that I have and ultimately it's unlikely that I'll ever get silver to get a set of armor, mainly because at the very least you get the option to get event related ornaments with bright dust, which at least it's something, but silver? hell no, I have stuff to pay with my money lmao

@Xlaws

11 ай бұрын

this is why brightdust is good and bad at the same time because a lot a new player are like : "if this guy buy it so can i" when they don't realise that bright dust allow them to get it or they want to get it now.

I've always been one to basically mock people waving their e-peen around with cosmetics. I've never been impressed with someone for having a cosmetic because it was 'hard to get', I've been impressed with people bringing together some awesome looks and themes. I like cosmetics to be something that someone goes "this looks cool. I'll rock this". Having people hunt down that one cosmetic that ties their whole look together, switching it up depending on their mood, or just finding that one look that 'speaks' to them. People can (and do) lose dozens of hours going through that, and it engages people. Fashion in games that have that freedom adds so much more to a community, and has more experienced players tagging into less experienced player pools to farm it up. The cash shop kills both the waving of e-peen _and_ those just doing it for the fun. There's not anyone diving into more obscure activities. No one going out of their way to grab that one piece. We have to crack open the store to get the look that we want. We have to pay through the nose to switch things up.

@Blanktester685

10 ай бұрын

I used to be impressed back in halo 3 and the challenges needed to unlock armor back then.

The problem with life service games nowadays is the effort to reward exchange. You put three hours of effort in, but you’ll get like no reward, unless you pay more money.

my biggest cash shop problem is when it gets like crossout. the grind for material is so stupidly slow and expensive that buying the market coins to buy the material that ppl are selling feels like its the only way to progress

youre the only youtuber i follow that actually speaks for the real gamer

Top tier bear analogy 🧸😂

I personally don’t care a whole lot about paid cosmetics, but the main thing that miffs me with the eververse store is how much shit they make for it, while pumping out straight up reskin of old weapons from like 15 seasons ago. Don’t care if they want to have paid cosmetics, but only making new stuff for dum asses to buy is going to annoy me every time. 😡

Your channel and the content on it is such a breath of fresh air. Every video you completely NAIL IT. I have no idea why it took so long for you to be recommended to me on here. Thank you, and keep up the great work!!😊

anna bray body pillow lol

We truly live in a cash shop society

I didn't mind the little buys like the CoD Ghost stuff where it was $4 for a bundle but it got severely out of hand, hate that it became more and more about the money wonder if will be able to go back to how it was

The problem with microtransactions in games is that the game will slowly stop being a game and become a vehicle to sell you microtransactions.

selling loot in a looter shooter is comedy

Personally, im happy with micro transactions in games IF theyre done correctly. Destiny is a great example of their business model, not being monetised fairly at all and therefore the hate they get for being called ‘p2w’ and everything else really is justified. I miss D1 days where you only had to buy one expansion and it would last you pretty much the whole year. That was what crota was like

@Swan94y

11 ай бұрын

Destiny isnt at all pay to win funnily enough. Pay to look good at best. Though you can still look good with what’s available in the game itself

@ashar05

11 ай бұрын

@@Swan94y how is it not pay to win? a free to play account will never be able to even enter endgame content

@SmokinTonic

11 ай бұрын

@@Swan94yu a dumbass bro im sorry to be the first to lyk

@Xlaws

11 ай бұрын

@@ashar05 so you mean that d1 was p2w too ?

@hhaste

11 ай бұрын

@@ashar05 Uhhh what? That's not at all what "pay to win" means. That's just called DLC..

As a Warlock it's super easy for me to ignore the cashshop since Bungo only releases DOGSHIT for warlock cosmetics.

Adam G looks like the kind of guy to buy cheep weed Bro don’t even care if he hitting that good stuff as long as he’s hitting something 😂

this is exactly why i love the warframe cash shop and premium currency, you don't have to spend a single penny on the game because you can just trade your items that you got with other players for said premium currency, yes you're spending time, but id still rather spend my time if im having fun rather than spending money, it should be like that in every multiplayer looter game

@ashar05

11 ай бұрын

warframe's issue is that you can buy almost anything for money, defeating the whole point of playing the game. If i spent 100$ on plat, i can get an endgame ready build on day 1

@SmokinTonic

11 ай бұрын

would b better if warframe had no cashapp, like back when the game was good, because it had no corny shop

@The_Watcher_0127

11 ай бұрын

@@ashar05 well yea its not perfect, but its still better than destiny imo

"Ignore the cash shop" = "Ignore your dignity"

@doommetaldarryl6689

11 ай бұрын

Perfect

@-pressxtostart-

11 ай бұрын

Ignore the negative impact industry wide. If one company is making billions, why would you settle for millions?

@doommetaldarryl6689

11 ай бұрын

@@-pressxtostart- right, just monetize harder, like Diablo immortal & #4

Diablo 4 base edition and elden ring standard are literally the best arguments you can make against a cash shop in terms of value. So many hours or content for the price of entry. Absolutely BONKERS! Add in the fact elden ring doesn’t have paid dlc yet or MTX. And all arguments for the prices on these micro transactions fall apart

I generally consider MTX to be a tax on idiots in order to keep games cheaper for people like me, but there have been numerous times I've had to choose between a game that greets me with a sales pitch every time I start it up and a game that didn't, and chose the latter just because the sales pitch was annoying.

There is an "easy" fix to this: We "just" need to stop playing "games" like that who are just a tacked on extra to a massive storefront.