I have no experience in wrestling and very very little Judo experience. Just a Blue belt in BJJ while in school and non-competitive middle age boxing. I totally lack the standup. An outsider looking at competition and instructionals, wrestlers have this incremental chain wrestling to achieve small advantages using a wider variety of moves, but it achieves small steps towards hitting a move, Judoka is much more specialist and using timing to hit 1 or 2 big moves. If you trying to be a MMA minimalist it seems double/single/some takedown from the clinch/bodylock is essential, you can learn more but it takes effort to learn those. In Judo it seems the big man moves are ostogari, shorter guys use Seonage and Taitoshi. Everyone can use uchimata and leg/foot attacks ouchigari etc.

@LibertarianGalt

6 ай бұрын

If you want a better standing game I'd recommend Judo and Boxing(or Muay Thai) as the strikes open an opponent for throws. Smaller people have a lower center of gravity which makes throws much better, plus shooting for the legs in a street fight is risky business. Edit: realised this video is aimed at a controlled environment so my bad 😂

@hong-enlin4651

6 ай бұрын

@@LibertarianGalt My comment was a little bit off topic, I just wanna see if my observations are in line with what real wrestlers or Judokas think since I am only a spectator. If it's MMA and you are a shorter built fighter, should you begin your base with Judo or Wrestling? my minimalist answer is wrestling in my opinion. The single and double as Hong said (from one Hong to another) Look at Damien Maia and Ben Askren who really have to go to the ground just to survive. they have to use Single and double, it's reliable they don't have a better way. Plus you can pick up some Greco which is great when mixed with standup. There are other Judokas like Ronda Rousey who can toss you at will, but you gotta learn to do it without the gi, I think it's elite level stuff, where as even Maia could still get you to the ground with a shoot or pull a half guard and sweep you.

I was thinking for self defence but are we talking in a controlled environment where grappler v grapper or MMA free for all or just no ref free for all? Judo used to teach takedown defence but I think has mainly dropped it due to olympic rule changes but older Judoka still can stop the double legs somewhat effectively.

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

Were talking in a controlled environment

What about arm wrestling vs wrestling?

I think a lot of people dont understand how massive of an overlap ther is between judo and wrestling. I almost feel as if Judo isnt as complete of a system as wrestling because the lack of shots for takedowns and the lack of ground grappling.

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

Greco with a jacket, except in greco no ashi waza allowed.

Im a striker, thats dabbled in grappling so feel free to throw my opinion out, but it seems to me that wrestling is only better against a taller opponent. But the op said bigger which to me implies heavier and possibly taller. In that case id argue judo is better. For the less experienced grappler hitting a hip throw, uchi mata, or even sacrifice throw is much easier on a bigger guy than simply trying to blast double him. This is because at the end of the day, it doesnt matter how explosive u r, trying to tackle ur way through too much mass just isnt efficient. Can it be done? Sure, but it isnt ideal. Whereas with judo throws kuzushi is always, ideally, an element, which means the smaller fighter wouldnt have to rely on strength where the larger fighter would easily have the advantage. Could be wrong on my theory though, so grapplers feel free to weigh in.

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

Spot on, very well explained, couldn’t have said it better myself. Osu!

For the street which one would be better

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

Judo!!

Salut, je suis un judoka de 5 pieds 6 ,et meme quand je m'amuse a faire du vieux judo , "shooter "est vraiment difficile , surtout avec le kumikata , et je suis bien d accord que l'interdictiobn de prise au jambe est vraiment un frein pour les petit pratiquant

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

D’apres moi c’est la personne avec le kumikata dominant qui peu shoot, ou bien avec un saisit seulement tu shoot, ou bien Tu attend pour contrer et tu ramasse une jambe ou.. deux tout dependant. Tu peu shoot a distance mais ton timing et ton explosibilité doivent etre parfait. Jai jamais connu le vieu judo en compete mais en randori et en tournoi de club kosen jai vraiment aimer, tellement plus d’option.

Khabib started as a wrestler and then moved to Judo. He saw many benefits in Judo and still endorses it till this day.

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

He has a lot of respect for Judo for sure

Thats a myth about judoka beaing beat by wrestlers so thats why they took out leg grabes

I haven't watched the video, but my opinion is wrestling. Reason is judo is a standing art that attacks high; wrestling has attacks that come in low.

@thisfool89

6 ай бұрын

Nah man wrestling has just as many techniques from the clinch as judo does.

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

I gave it to wrestling as well, though it broke my heart 😂

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

@@thisfool89 all taken from judo.

@thisfool89

6 ай бұрын

@OGFITNESS ummmm isnt Wrestling like 2000 years older than Judo?

@OGFITNESS

6 ай бұрын

@@thisfool89 good question, might just be the japanese did it better 🤷‍♂️

Judo vs wrestling, and the winner is .... sambo ?