Full conversation with Jordan Peterson and Lex Fridman: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pY1sw6iMiZXgppc.html

@waltershumer4211

Жыл бұрын

Would love to hear a interview with Alexander Dugan on the subject of traditionalism, the antithesis to the post 1945 liberal world order which has been dominant up until this point and is showing signs of collapse....... Benjamin titlebaum a left wing sociologist has written a book about the subject called war for eternity who would also be a very good guest on the subject. thank you very much.

@lightfoot.2000

Жыл бұрын

inspiring 😑🙏

@amc3463

Жыл бұрын

Peterson is a 🤡 in a suit and doesn't understand the situation

@waltershumer4211

Жыл бұрын

@@amc3463 ..... What doesn't he understand?

@waltershumer4211

Жыл бұрын

@@FredSully .... I am pro russian, but when it comes to Azov battalion, you should understand this is a very small group of people, and does not represent Ukraine as a whole as is evidenced by their Jewish president...... That said there was a genocide in Ukraine called the holodomor in which Russia starved and killed millions upon millions of ukrainians, as a consequence the Germans of this time period were seen as liberators and saviors, (and indeed they were) so there is a statue of a national socialist in Ukraine which a very small group of people still honor with flowers every year, not to celebrate national socialism, but to show gratitude. One thing I've learned about history is that there's no such thing as a good guy and a bad guy, it's always black and white....... People are disappointing that way, boath individually and collectively. I'm afraid it is only the ignorant and foolish who have the satisfaction of a motion picture like clear distinction in between good and bad when it comes to these things.

As a Romanian living in the US for the last 30 years I totally agree with Mr. Peterson that the West has lost its mind.

@abc-eq9so

Жыл бұрын

I was in Romania couple of days ago. I'm Serbian. Romania is ages ahead today. I remember back in Yugoslavian days Romania was like third world country. How things have changed...

@user-ez8le1rp3x

Жыл бұрын

Romania have fallen into the bottomless pit of western corruption. You have no right to talk on behalf of your country until you return back to your country and set things right, traitor.

@user-ez8le1rp3x

Жыл бұрын

@@abc-eq9so Romania today is far way worse than a third world country. Today it is a capitol of child prostitution and human trafficking in Europe.

@totozviara

Жыл бұрын

You and Jordan can always move to Russia

@1stsampan

Ай бұрын

@@totozviara Some do. And you can move to Cuba.

😊 My dad, a Canadian, passed away a couple years ago. I didn't know how much I missed hearing "bloody this and bloody that" until I heard Jordan say it.💞

Why didn't these same concerns and questions come up when discussing Afghanistan and Iraq? Or Libya? Or Syria? Or Yemen? Or so many other nations. Why?

@brandoncorley5922

Жыл бұрын

They did it's just no one "credible" was listening

@anthonysillas4017

Жыл бұрын

Not one to post or ever reply but why should he???? Haven’t really watched this dude ngl just started and you right from the last 2 weeks of watching short clips he does bring this topic up a lot. Not a lex type human but even I clearly can tell he has a personal reason and connection that is troubling him, you can tell he is trynna to work out how he feels. I assume he’s Russian or maybe from the region???? Not sure why he has to use his spotlight to talk about the rest tho……just cause you care doesn’t mean he has too, you know. You didn’t ask me personally but just some thoughts.

@caglayandursunoglu6731

Жыл бұрын

Or maybe they don’t matter much? Maybe people don’t give a shit about those places since the war there is continuing since the beginning of time {exaggerating to make a point if you are sensitive} {just brainstorming}

@Diewux

Жыл бұрын

Why you are buying smartphone instead of sending money for starving people? It’s same kinda logic. You cant expect same attention on everything. This war happens literally in europe and it affected it most, so western world is audible about it. Whether you like it or not.

@rossoriordan2

Жыл бұрын

They did come up.

Jordan is so right about politicians isolating themselves. It's so much easier to dehumanise your opponents when you don't have normal human contact with them.

@mikegreen3517

Жыл бұрын

well said

@olivergoodness7694

Жыл бұрын

Beautiful

@mischa_solt

Жыл бұрын

You speaking about Putin? About normal contact with Putin?

@joebenson528

Жыл бұрын

@@mischa_solt Yes the guy standing up for the independent people of the DPR and LPR against the NATO installed apartheid regime.

@tymurmylosvietov4120

Жыл бұрын

@@joebenson528 you must be russian or really blind. It is clearly an imperialistic war by russia against Ukraine.

Conversation is everything! Thank you both for letting us in on this conversation. Stay happy, stay healthy. 🍻

@juniperman

Жыл бұрын

Conversation is talk … talk is cheep

One thing, out of many, that I admire about Lex is his ability to communicate. I often find people, sometimes including myself, rushing to get words out of their mouths. When Lex speaks, he does so very deliberately and is able to articulate a sentence so well because of it.

@woofwoof9647

Жыл бұрын

@@GStones58 He is very shy an has annxiety problems he spoke about it in a video awhile back !! He thinks before he speaks bro !!

@woofwoof9647

Жыл бұрын

@@GStones58 All Good mate was just stating fact cos i watched that video , No dis - respect intended towards You My Friend Blessingsfrom New Zealand . May All Your Dreams and Wishes Come True !!

@woofwoof9647

Жыл бұрын

@@GStones58 Mate You are most Welcome in New Zealand Anytime . And Yes The Thylacine Most Certainly is alive an Well on Mainland Australia all over and Tasmainia unfortunatly Not in New Zealand i have been Following Neil Waters with Thylacine Awareness Group of Australia and Tasmania inc fascinating for me also Yowie Australian Sabe ( Sasquatch ) basicly thousands of sightings an encounters . We also have Moehau Man our Sabe ( Sasquatch ) havnt had an encounter Yeti but are seriously looking forward to one . I live beside Mt Egmont and 34500 hectares of National Park but sadly Nothing in here No food Damn 1080 poison !! Also sittings of a large lion like cat has had many sightings also endemic to Australia Awesome stuff ill look up the name for ya m8 .

@woofwoof9647

Жыл бұрын

@@GStones58 Haha gezz thats funny yeah ol Steve i picked up on him just before he got into the Sabe side as fascinated as i am about Sabe i loved his hunting stories im a hunter myself 14 deer 6 fallow 6 Sika an 2 Reds so far an many pigs with dogs an Rifle when younger 60 now just got a Beautiful Browning X Bolt Sythetic Stainless 300 Win Mag with a Bushnell 4-12 x44 scope Awesome !! Thyacoleo is the name of that Cat in Australia many sightings of these too !! Mate i would love Come to the Lone Star State Dont Mess with Texas !!! Hog Hunting Big Uns !!

@woofwoof9647

Жыл бұрын

@@GStones58 Cool ol Shotgun Ok ill explain to you my take on what Steve is doing ( by the way thats funny youve been blocked ) Rito he was reading Hunting stories with pretty much all his own experiences i believe him about his own encounters as you would have heard about them and his Grandfathers encounter which i actually find weird that he didnt hear that till Steve was 26 years old anyway he began getting Sabe stories more mixed in with Hunting encounters an because he had sympathy for these people the riddicule an hassle they had if saying or telling anyone so many people have been silent for years and i reckon Steve gave them an opening or opportunity to share their encounter beeing good or bad and because BFRO are so much Bullshit and not listening or turning away real encounters an not taking people seriously that has pissed Steve off immensly and he himself wants answers from gubermint for himself and all these different people and David Paulides and Scott Carpenter 411 the missing ones everyone wants answers i actually dont watch Steve as much now i want the old music back i dont like that drone an music bring back hunting one an him at the end with his arms out wheres the Tee Shirt of him doing that ??? Asked him to please do Tee Shirt but nah !! So now he has a hugh following an im not that much into fishing either and hes hard out trying to get answers and also its not just him now with Sarah and kids not same anymore !! i havnt had an encounters or seen anything here in New Zealand but i was.6 years old when Patterson / Gimmlin film Patty came out i believed it then it hasnt been debunked anyway who would of thought to have falsefied Sabe with a Female Sabe in those days an yes ive seen Franks suit that was guna be faked it was light brown Patty was Black an Boobies !! The sightings of Yowie in Australia are in the thousands same as Canada America Vietnam skunk apes Florida Skunk apes Hymalayas Yeti Moehau Man New Zealand Scotland England Wales Russia chyna sightings are becoming more numouruos worldwide hehe then well shall we Dogman Wendigos Rakes Werewolves haha we could go on its 8.37 pm now ok ill leave it at that mate . Message anytime Bro .

There are so many things to be learned from the ONE CLIP that can not only be applied directly to this subject matter, but can be used to extrapolate on many different aspects of our lives. I thank the both of you for continuing to show us how to use our minds in a correct fashion, to effectively communicate and complete our thoughts.

@chriskindler10

Жыл бұрын

so what exactly did you learn from this clip?

@Thawhid

Жыл бұрын

@@chriskindler10is this an insulting comment or? This was a good clip for sure

@cmath6454

Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson is the king of pushing stories on everything and everyone. Thinking he's contextualizing reality when human beings form judgements based on themselves. In essence he just describes himself and pushes it on others.

@agriskaminskis9352

Жыл бұрын

Fabricated fantasy of Russia by Peterson. I know quite a lot about Russia and this is outright manipulation by Peterson. Or he is an idiot. One cannot miss so badly. He thinks he's so smart that he takes partial info about a thing and paints the picture of the whole without proper due diligance. A smartass idiot.

@IntricateIntrovert

Жыл бұрын

@@cmath6454 So you lack the mental capacity to comprehend his words? Got it

Lex is a pro at listening. Never interrupts

I'm from an eastern european member of the EU, I totally agree the west completely lost its way, mostly because a complete lack of meritocracy, but at the same time, the east represented by russia and china is much worse.

@zee9er

Жыл бұрын

Because the democrats in the west want us to be Europe 🤮

@BigOz

Жыл бұрын

That's the point. The options presented by the "east" are much worse. There is a reason all the post Soviet nations, want to join NATO so badly.

@Mastah2006

Жыл бұрын

As an eastern european - You’re God damn right.

@sacrf827

Жыл бұрын

The reallity the west present us for the future its way worse then communist china or soviet era russia. Your freedom is gonna be totally lost. You will own nothing and you will be a slave.

@_Cato_

Жыл бұрын

Nothing is worse than this liberalized, zombie hellscape of the West.

Watching and listening to conversations like these makes it more difficult to have a conversation with a friend with out having debate turn into argument. Discussion is becoming a rare form these days.

@GoodFellerTreeCare

Жыл бұрын

Very true

@johnmatonne7834

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I can't talk to democrats any longer. I wonder why anyone would vote for a democrat and their woke-ism

@cognitivefuse5913

Жыл бұрын

An argument is a debate.

@ivandafoe5451

Жыл бұрын

These two clowns are in agreement on this issue...so a discussion is possible. If you are in agreement with them and expect your friends to agree with you in the same way, then you will have to confine your hoped-for conversations to friends who are as delusional as you are.

@screamingatthesky1878

Жыл бұрын

@@ivandafoe5451 Calling some of the most intelligent and non biased minds on the internet 'clowns' is the most clown shit I've ever read, fat L

Saying Putin is worse than Stalin is great exaggeration if anything

@tedmusson5179

Ай бұрын

Stalin was two things. The most propaganda lied about human on earth, and the greatest statesman of the twentieth. Similarly but in the opposite direction churchill was one of the greatest racists of the 20th. Let me remind that Britain sat thumb massaging sphincter while nazi was made strong destroying legally elected Spain.

@tedmusson5179

Ай бұрын

Let me add that the racist coalition of France, UK, U$a, et al. created hitler and nazi with hideous bankster WWI.

@tedmusson5179

Ай бұрын

Saying Putin is almost as great as Stalin is a blatant truth. The initials tell the west's story in a vulgar sort of way... U$UK I AM HOUTHIS

@misterwhipple2870

10 күн бұрын

Maybe so, but I think that what they mean is that Putin WANTS to be worse than Stalin, but he just hasn't managed it yet.

It is so refreshing to hear him speak about this issue, this perspective is different enough from the standard analysis to make it proportionately interesting. So lovely!

The hospitality aspect is fascinating. I've never thought of it that way, but providing grand hospitality to your guests even if they are strangers is actually a bonding experience.

@steelcom5976

Жыл бұрын

You actually needed someone to tell you that?

@sc100ott

Жыл бұрын

And if we saw a Western leader treat Putin, Xi, Kim, King Salman(Saudi), Rouhanni (Iran), or any potentially adversarial leader with a modicum of hospitality, the opposition party within our own Western country would spin it as an outrage. This is a big reason why we can’t solve many of our problems.

@steelcom5976

Жыл бұрын

@@sc100ott You have to be f*c*ing kidding

@TheReferrer72

Жыл бұрын

@@sc100ott Do you think European leaders did not treat any of these leaders with hospitality? I feel sorry for this world, where liberals think they have to pander to everyone.

@abditus5842

Жыл бұрын

Ronald Reagan would have Tip O’Neil over for drinks and jokes once a week while he was President and Tip led the opposition. Jack Welch, legendary CEO of GE had the Union leaders and their families over for barbecues. Hospitality breaks down barriers and allows us to see the “ opposition” as people.

Lex has always impressed me with his genuine posture.

@johnmatonne7834

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he sits up straight

@senior_java

Жыл бұрын

Kremlin agent. Lex is an agent

@TheKidsInTheRoom

Жыл бұрын

haha not easy I agree.

@pawemostek3587

Жыл бұрын

Lex still thinks Russia is a great country and Russians are great people - the truth is opposite most of Russians think like Putin. Russians created Putin and Putin is able to attack and murder other nations because russians allow it and support it. Lex STOP promoting Russia !!!

@gg6886

Жыл бұрын

He is Batman

Jesus Christ! When I have heard Jordan Peterson talking about that Putin convinced Russians that Russia is the saver who will save the world from degeneracy of the West I got scared. How the hell he knows what people talk on my streets! This guy seems to me so smart and insightful in a sense that he can dig deep, very deep, take my respect Mr. Peterson. Great conversation! Thank you, Lex

@mozes7786

Жыл бұрын

If you understand human psychology and how sociological concepts work, its not hard to extrapolate and gleam.

@pindapoy1596

Жыл бұрын

@ Виктор Цай Maybe Putin did not have to convince his people that Russia is a saver. Maybe he just exposed the obvious faults of a capitalist regime gone wild and the Russians instinctively rejected that type of society. People (all over the world that have strong values) do not need to be dragged into convictions that their leaders attempt to impose on them. Russia and the Russian people are far from acting like the crusaders did when they wanted to "liberate" the holy places. They simply reject the way of life of the western world because the flaws are obvious to them. And incidentally, given that their educational system is far superior to that in the western world, they do not have to be told because they are able to reason

@margieaustman

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard this of Putins feelings towards the west…. A shared view of the easts views of westerners degeneration.

@mozes7786

Жыл бұрын

@@margieaustman so move there if you like it so much ya salami

@tankerd1847

Жыл бұрын

I think the saddest thing is that Americans, Brits and other Western Europeans can't figure out that we were doing the same exact thing almost 20 years ago when we were pushing to go fight in Iraq. We came up with BS reasons to go invade a sovereign nation in order to trick the people into fulfilling the government's greater geopolitical goals. Ukraine to Russia is cut from the same tree as Iraq to America. The difference is that Russia didn't back Iraq. I worry greatly what this conflict may become, I seriously do not want to see nuclear war or any war between the United States and Russia, the consequences would be unspeakable.

I’m trying to raise my children so they can think for themselves with logic and to express themselves in a way close to what this two men accomplish. Lex is a Titan and so is Jordan. This articulated speaking of thought is what is disappearing from nowadays far to easy consumption of bullshit from all angles of fast net media experiences and kind of avoided by regular primary and secondary education levels.

@jupitermoongauge4055

11 ай бұрын

You think Peterson uses logic ? Not really. He has a list of very illogical opinions that he attempts to legitimise through obfuscation and obscurantism which is complicated enough to fool a lot of people into thinking that he is using logic. Peterson is a con artist, a pseudo intellectual and guy who very often doesn't have a clue about the true nature of the things he is angry about which means he's just a run of the mill right wing reactionary bigot

Conservative, Liberal, Leftist, Rethuglican etc... If you need to use these terms to make your point you should stop. Go back, try to get a better grip on your view and bring it to the world without loading it with BS before you start.

@hardcoresb3

Жыл бұрын

I dislike labels. We as a human species have bigger fish to fry.

It's a talk about the war in Ukraine without actually talking about the war in Ukraine

@devinsayswecanflyingram6321

Жыл бұрын

did you want Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist, to give a war analysis of the situation and circumstances on the ground?

@TgfkaTrichter

Жыл бұрын

@@devinsayswecanflyingram6321 considering that he constantly comments on stuff that he has no idea about and does not understand... then why not?

@DiviousVicious

Жыл бұрын

It's about causes, which matters.

@tkkunaka2630

Жыл бұрын

They spoke about the causes so yeah

@Cockmonging

Жыл бұрын

@@TgfkaTrichter it's fine since it seems to work for you eh?

As a Russian I cannot agree with prof. Peterson entirely, but I must give him credit, he does much better job understanding Russia than so many others.

@nocturne000

Ай бұрын

Hey I'm curious, what would you say he got right, and got wrong? I'd like to understand the Russian perspective better, if you would be so kind.

@user-vr5js6nd3w

Ай бұрын

@@nocturne000 Where he's right: Mismanagement of Western policy has led to the conflict. We see it as vile will rather. Where he's not quite right: - Russia does not have expansionist goals. We are biggest on Earth, we don't need territories, name any natural resource, we have a lot of it. Russia would not leave what it took for the first month of SMO if it wanted to conquer Ukraine. Russian terms for Istanbul negotiations April 2022 did not contain any territorial claims. - Putin is sincere, Russia is sincere and we don't understand why what we say is hard to understand. - Dugin is not important in Russian modern philosophy whatsoever, he's seen as a freak. Russians are normal, we don't like extremes. - Hate towards Russians in Ukraine has its limits, there is significant part of Ukrainians who support our goals. Majority of such has left the country not willing to fight for Ukraine. - Putin is not in human bubble, he just lost last remnants of trust to the current Western elites. He does not see to whom he could talk in the West who would not break all agreements like times and times and times before. His position is 'you lied to our face quite enough and we're done with you. We don't want anything to do with you anymore'.

@nocturne000

Ай бұрын

@@user-vr5js6nd3w First of all, I really appreciate you taking the time to educate me on an important perspective I don't get to hear that often. I especially think Putin being fed up with western shenanigans and dishonest statecraft makes the most sense. A lot of people don't understand the full extent to which western Europe and the USA has been trying to coopt Ukraine, using deception and other nefarious means. I'm not saying they were the only ones doing it, but people need to realize this conflict can't be boiled down into such a simplistic reason. There's way more nuance. Anyway thanks again for the perspective. It made me think about things I hadn't before which is valuable.

@LoveBagpipes

Ай бұрын

​@@user-vr5js6nd3wvery well said! 🇦🇺 As an Australian, I agree with what you said...and Putin's messaging has been consistent and easy to understand

@nocturne000

Ай бұрын

@@user-vr5js6nd3w I swear I replied to this, but it seems like is disappeared… in any case all I wanted to say was how much I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. It’s incredibly important for this perspective to be heard. The idea that there’s just this “hatred” towards Ukraine has never made much since to me. Like you said, it only goes so far. Trust and a sense of security on the other hand are something I think we can all understand. That’s the great thing about talking to people from, or traveling to other countries. You’ll notice no matter where you go, you’ll find other people. And other people are easier to relate to than what the media wants to portray, or not portray. That second point as well is significant. Putin did exactly what he said he would. I’m tact, he’s done what he said he would many times and yet for some reason it’s portrayed like it’s random. Again, I very much appreciate your detailed comment. I find it funny (as an American) that my country thinks they have any leg to stand on when it comes to military actions taken, or statecraft. Take care, friend.

This one was awesome, great job from the both of you, especially Lex who is very critical of Russia's invasion. A really good conversation.

I think they are being overgenerous in their descriptions of US Congressmen.

@michaelwhardy1908

Жыл бұрын

I think most of the conservative congressmen are genuinely there to help the country but the ones on the left will have a set of ideas 1 year and then say they believe the opposite next year just to get elected but conservative view points hedge remained the same for a very long time

@ujmm

Жыл бұрын

You wouldn't think Peterson is talking about congressmen from a country where the majority interest has much less effect on policy change compared to special interests. The main reason why the u.s is not placed in the top 10. on the democracy index. Corruption is a massive problem that somehow gets disguised because people are allowed to press one of two buttons every fourth year.

@DavidWongTianyu

Жыл бұрын

Right xD are we ignoring the corruption?

@ElectricAIDS

Жыл бұрын

I like this comment because it is theatrical as Jordan said but it could be true it is a broad statement.

Is in it funny how JP interrupted Lex to add part on how listening is important :) 14:10

@RobMcGrath0

Жыл бұрын

It was, i thought i saw Lex smile at that too XD

@TheKeithlb

Жыл бұрын

I giggled a little too. His timing was comedy on that one. We all human and continue to make mistakes. Love is the answer as we are all starting to conclude... finally. I'm excited to see this realize for the whole human population. I love you all!

@jkws3724

Жыл бұрын

Good Listening has nothing to do with letting people finish speaking and everything to do with listening

@lepsze

Жыл бұрын

@@jkws3724 this is kind of stretched interpretation. I can agree to some extent, yet in the same time I would still argue that listening is primarily about listening to the whole what other people want to say.

@tomstark28

Жыл бұрын

@@jkws3724 hard to listen to what you haven't allowed to be said.

Loved the conversation until things drifted away from Putin & Ukraine. Would had like to heard much more of you twos thoughts regarding that. Thank you for the first part in any case.

@markvel8605

9 ай бұрын

The think is that there isn’t much to discuss. Just another tyrant brainwashing his nation

Jordan, great, thoughtful and insightful, as always.

Finally a podcast with jorden Peterson I’ve been waiting for this for tooo long

@MrTweaksTV

Жыл бұрын

you obviously mean jordache petersen

Why couldn't I have seen this earlier😭 yesss so excited to watch!!!

Jordan, Keanu, Drake. Canada’s holy trinity.

The point made about Putin being isolated during covid and the importance of human interaction was interesting. It reminded me of the scene from Goodfellas when around a table playing cards and laughing Jimmy called off the hit on Morrie.

@gregolsen1099

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t know how to take that, though. Was it just Jimmy saying that to Henry, to relax him? Because not long after that, Maurie got the ice pick treatment. I thought it was a great build up, a bunch of guys, friends-out late drinking, and laughing, and the next thing I see, Tommy’s hitting maurie’s light switch. That’s the best way to describe the people who are in that life. Savage.

@DetectiveTrupo203

Жыл бұрын

I was just talking about that the other day. Jimmy says "don't worry about tonight " and Henry's voice over is talking about how Maury would never know how close he came to getting whacked, and then the very next scene is him getting ice picked in the back of the head in the front seat of the car lmao, like what the hell

Jordans geeked on something... Needs to slow down and get back in touch. Ego's got him controlled.

Does Lex not see the disparity in the way he thinks of the war in Ukraine and the way he sees the geopolitics of the West playing out for food in Africa. To be fair I didn't watch the entire pod, but it seemed to me like when the west makes africa choose between voting against russia and its population facing starvation, he says, "that is how the world works" agree or disagree (and I'm sure he wishes that africa didn't have to choose) but why is the fact that Ukraine is a proxy war any different from what is normal. Why is it that you're only empathetic when it is your people in trouble why can't we have one standard for all of humanity.

@serrael-182

Жыл бұрын

Its not be against or russia or starve. Since when is the eu holding back food or started the war? Its russia who tried using the food. "Oh youre starving? If youre on our side while we slaughter the civilians we well give you the food we got from the country we invaded."

@deadarmd

Жыл бұрын

It is impossible to have the perfect stance on everything it will drive you crazy.

@FrenchCanadianGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@deadarmd how so? What you just said sounds like a way to justify not trying to me.

@smartdevilevil

Жыл бұрын

ISrael and USA neo liberalistic Agenda ... look it up

@serrael-182

Жыл бұрын

@@smartdevilevil you can look putin propaganda up too. What will you believe is the question.

Jordan Peterson is the man. Thankyou so much for this podcast Lex. You’re the man too

14:10 "You Batman." Finally it's official. Lex is Batman. He knows karate. The secret is out.

@Jagar_Tharn

Жыл бұрын

9:40 More evidence. I have to concur with your conclusion.

Lex, please get Vlad Vexler on. He has brilliant insight on Putin and the current war.

@imagination1170

Жыл бұрын

He really doesn't, at the end of the day it comes to two questions. Do you as Russian president continue to allow the genocide of Donbass and allow NATO to park missiles on your border?

@EZPZMAGA

Жыл бұрын

How about Vlad+JP with lex moderating?😜

@Sophie.S..

Жыл бұрын

Vlad Vexler is a brilliant political philosopher - he has no time for Jordan Peterson.

@nikital7541

7 ай бұрын

Vexler lives in a bubble

Lex trying to get Jordan to see his opponents as humans, hoping to help him see the bubble he’s in.

Feels like Lex allows his personal investment in Ukraine issue color the way he discusses it. In particular it feels like the way he feels about it is impacted primarily by how he wants it to be rather than accepting objective reality of how it is. I know he will write this off too, as I’m not even one of the “experts” he scoffed at in the interview, but for how objective and clear he discusses other topics it’s very obvious that he struggles a lot to do so re: Ukraine.

@Seecked

Жыл бұрын

And what is that objective reality in your opinion then? I think I can already guess what bs you will write…

@danielelman5169

Жыл бұрын

@@Seecked it's certainly nothing based in the "power of love and the human capacity for hope" or any of that nonsense.

@tankerd1847

Жыл бұрын

@@danielelman5169 I think the point is that people on both sides think they're doing the right thing. Russians in a lot of ways think they're liberating Ukraine from its evil Western puppet government and Nazified military. You should give Lex some credit, he is far more objective about Ukraine than the overwhelming majority of Western media and discussion. The problem is WE think we are absolutely right about this, to the point where many, many Westerners are unable to even entertain the idea that we had something to do with what's going on over there.

@nocturne000

Ай бұрын

@@danielelman5169 I mean I don't disagree. Maybe I heard him wrong, I thought he was talking about the true motivation of the individual to accept war. But maybe I missed something. I mean, you could say there are many reasons for this war, or every war for that matter. However those reasons usually condense into something a lot less "human" and a lot more profit driven or ideologically driven, or an idea of statecraft in which you want to control certain aspects from certain places. I mean it's happened so many times throughout history, it's like we're always fighting the same war.

I liked Peterson a lot more in the early days. I liked his lectures and Quora posts.. his opinions on clinical psychology are enlightening. But I feel he’s compelled to opine on everything.. on things he doesn’t understand well. He’s not a historian and it shows. There’s a balanced critique circling which shows that he makes a litany of errors on his discussions of Hitler, Stalin, WW2.. id like him so much more if he would just keep to the things he knows best. Still like him as a person but I feel we aren’t getting his best.

@lawrencebywater2112

Жыл бұрын

100%

@tonymerkclelive1023

Жыл бұрын

And yet, here you are watching it...

@kerryharward71

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree!

@rochesterjohnny7555

Жыл бұрын

I agree, he seems to be turning into a Christian fundamentalist as well

@Antonio-vi4bk

Жыл бұрын

historians are wrong All the time, so it is not that simple. conversation is good, and it should be welcomed.

Was Putin in a bubble in 2014 as well??

@Wishlake

Жыл бұрын

Agree. Peterson's points are ridiculous. I've been astonished since his Civil War video... wtf is he saying...him of all people

@danolivier4899

Жыл бұрын

Jordan's another guy who's so busy hating the west he can't see actual evil staring him in the face

@jumblestiltskin1365

Жыл бұрын

Good question.

@tylere.8436

Жыл бұрын

Or in 2008

Really believe in the engagement of hospitality and enjoyment to support ideas of unity humanity and compromised change. Thx guys

Jordan Peterson is 🔥 to the modern ❄️... love it!!!

@silencemeviolateme6076

Жыл бұрын

He's a blow hard. Ukraine is simple. Tis the season. Look around the world, everyone wants their empire back. China, Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Russia, France...

Wow JP with Lex fantastic. Would have also loved to have heard the conversation between Jimmy Carr and JP

@alvareo92

Жыл бұрын

The conversation between Jimmy Carr with Jordan is already on the latter’s KZread channel. Brace yourself as Jordan has met his equal: both of them interrupt each other to launch into their own monologue of whatever they felt like talking about

Wow that last part about leadership was very enlightening.

@Tod_oMal

Жыл бұрын

You mean that part talking to Congress people?

It’s an interesting experience to see two smart people talk on a topic they don’t understand at all. And they don’t even have a clue.

Peterson is quite correct in his assessment of the situation.

You can't truly understand a group of people and their culture, without living extended periods of time between them. Respectfully, JBP can read all the speeches, all the historical books and so on, and he'd still be baffled by the "essence" of e.g. Russian people. One must live in close proximity to the things that one seeks to understand. Culture and beliefs are more than just words written down or spoken, more than surface level actions. Boiling it down these three things, often times says nothing meaningful about their inner world. It's how people act, and react, their appearance, immediate approach to problems, their choices, what do they notice and focuse on, their relationship with others, how they carry themselves in the world etc. Only after a good while of observing, you can start to understand the commonalities and the societies true values. Love from Baltic states.

@user-lb8to5yr6r

Жыл бұрын

Very true!

@fokusnikfm

Жыл бұрын

This! Thank you for saying it mate

@marijapaskeviciute365

Жыл бұрын

as a Lithuanian I agree 10000%

@irynasakharchuk7044

Жыл бұрын

true👏

I am glad you stressed ‘good leaders’. I doubt we have many on seeing the poverty, hunger & homelessness in this world. The destruction of the middle class to poor is being driven globally by governments.

@steelcom5976

Жыл бұрын

But you vote for those governments so YOU are to blame.

@BeEnNLGaming

Жыл бұрын

Thats not because they are good or bad, its because they are greedy.

@jacobsvensson8193

Жыл бұрын

@@BeEnNLGaming If they are greedy to the point of not caring if millions of people die as a consequence of their greed, is it then wrong for us to view them as 'bad'?

@AydarBMSTU

Жыл бұрын

putin is no great leader btw

@steelcom5976

Жыл бұрын

@@jacobsvensson8193 It's a human construct. It doesn't actually exist.

When I was very young (in Ceausescu's Romania) and just starting to be aware of the world due to my cerebral cortex being formed, I saw my first beggar, a young man missing a leg. I was shivering because I thought that there wasn't anything that I could do at that time. Then later, I was asking myself why our government ruled by the Communist Party doesn't help people in need, even if it was claimed as being "for the people". And right now, the so-called "free western so rich world" is claiming that it can't help more Ukraine cos Putin could start a nuclear war. So basically then and now, the bad people are having the upper hand cos they are holding the good people hostage by fear. I hope that the free people leaders grow a backbone and finally do the right thing.

@PaulMclauchlin

Жыл бұрын

What, precisely, is the right thing with regards to helping Ukraine?

@rudivandereep310

Жыл бұрын

Nah doubt it as war has many faces controlled by those whom have the power to when where why and how to just in different guise

@radimnechut519

Жыл бұрын

@@PaulMclauchlin Stopping the war, the conflict, in the most peaceful way possible and trying to engage in, as Peterson said, honest in person conversation with at least both sides of the war. But hey, Russia's evil like nazis. We cannot talk to them. We have to defeat them no matter what by any means necessary. That's what the politicians and pundits told me.

@FlaviaIIIIFelix

Жыл бұрын

There is no free people, there are no bad people, just ham fist leaders working for the agenda imposed to them.

@YeviG

Жыл бұрын

The US can hardly help its own people, well not that it can't, it chooses not to. What makes you think that they would give two shits about Ukraine when they've gone in and done the same thing to a number of countries and their people that Russia is now doing with Ukraine. It is funny listening to Poland talk about occupation like they didn't have an entire Polish Zone in Iraq, and like Britain didn't partake in massacring civilians all over the world. NATOs hands are just as bloody as those who have invaded other countries.

Well.. I'm a big fan of JP but this has nothing to do With the problems in western europe and all to do With Russias influence in the former Eastern block. I live in Bulgaria and our government fell the day after lavrov was denied airspace to go to Serbia

@paulwally9007

Жыл бұрын

Can you explain that a bit?

@mikijwa

Жыл бұрын

@@paulwally9007 well ever since communism fell Russia has had vested interest in keeping its positions in my country. There has been many new patties popping up when the previous project collapses. The patty there's such a people left the coalition sending Bulgaria into a third parliamentary elections in two years. It's now trending to miss the threshold to enter next parliament so another project called renaissance is already being propagated.

Peterson is NOT qualified to talk about geo politics. He gave the military industrial complex a free pass for wars.

@popodopulus3826

Жыл бұрын

ESPECIALLY about this russian invasion. He is wrong in virtually every point.

Lex you are a great interviewer and Jordan no more to add, eloquence as it best

@argonaut5617

Жыл бұрын

Peterson is arrogant ofc, but what is most important there is that he's lying about the reasons of what's happening in Ukraine, doing his best serious face. He's just lying. Ukraine got anti-constitutional coup trampled main laws. That laws was made for people of Ukraine. Ukrainian govt allowed CIA to rule the country. All CIA wanted is false flag war with Russia, it's old as opium wars. All this Peterson's speech is another chewing gum for brainless homegrowed hamsters who believe CNN, the difference is minimal. So well, you'll feel worse of these lies after all, apparently that's what you want to get, so listen to Peterson further.

Talk to Putin about Love, Lex. And see how far that gets you.

A civil, intelligent conversation... how refreshing.

@jaredflurry937

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure I agree that European energy dependency is the result of environmental wokeism. European states wanted cheap energy and weren’t particularly concerned about the mid- to long-term environmental or political consequences; that doesn’t strike me as “woke.”

I appreciate the honesty in this conversation

@nicolasgalileo7209

Жыл бұрын

From lex yes from JP just bla bla bla....

@Cockmonging

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolasgalileo7209 what a dishonest take

@nicolasgalileo7209

Жыл бұрын

@@Cockmonging you maybe right, but JP in my opinion never gives you straight answers, hence bla bla bla ...

@Cockmonging

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolasgalileo7209 not his or my problem that you have an aversion against nuance lmao

@nicolasgalileo7209

Жыл бұрын

@@Cockmonging I see you took the attribution to talk on his behalf. Me , I speak for I , me , and myself ... I like nuance when imparts useful meaning to a solid fact.

Jordan Peterson is an intelligent man, but it really bothers me how he constantly cuts people off, both as an interviewer and an interviewee.

@DarrellTurnerJr

Жыл бұрын

I Love listening to Peterson but he will completely dominate a conversation. I prefer him just speaking to an audience about whatever the hell he wants to talk about.

@juditszabo8751

Жыл бұрын

He is only interested in what he wants to say and has premade speeches for every question without really answering them.

@tiadiad

Жыл бұрын

He smokes a lot of crack. It's one of the side effects.

@deanmd6727

Жыл бұрын

Sad how far Peterson has fallen. He's gone from offering real advice and sharing his knowledge on psychology and philosophy to a religious fanatic who will spew out what ever crap he needs to say to stay popular with his circle of pseudointellectual losers.

@Bbos2383

Жыл бұрын

@@juditszabo8751 only interested in what he wants to say? Yet he interviews people as a job and listens to what they have to say all the time.. weird.

A brilliant man with Wisdom Something that’s hard to find in the world today.

I like the microphones. Really good.

We can only help each other for the next event. It hurts to see people fighting.

Mentioning Alexander Dugin days before the car bomb is crazy.

@MB2.0

Жыл бұрын

His significance has been overstated in western media. He has never even been pictured with Putin. Most russians didnt know him before people started labeling him "Putin's Rasputin"(a title which in of itself is ludicrous).

the point about hospitality reminds me of the myth around the relationship between Stalin and Churchill during WW2. Stalin was at least as "not nice" as Putin (understatement of a century) but building 1-1 relationships of leaders can be done even with such people and can relax the tensions between countries to a great degree

@belrestro

Жыл бұрын

yes, just let him have some more land, that other thing is about conversation

@Nelson484

Жыл бұрын

Yea right, relationships. The west has been cozying up to Putin for 20 years and Putin just laughed and always escalated. He was given enough time to prepare and start this genocidal war that he has been planning for at least 15 years. But yeah let's just talk and be friends.

@deniskvochka3386

Жыл бұрын

@@Nelson484 это вы более 20 лет игноровали Путина и его опасений насчет расширения НАТО, это вы обманули его в 2014 году и через вооруженный переворот привели к власти неонацистов на Украине, это вы игнорировали Минские соглашения и со слов той же Меркель дали время Украине вооружиться... Так что не надо нам рассказывать кто есть кто. Я вам скажу так, сейчас Путина в России не любят за его слабость по отношению к Украине и западному миру, который только и делает, что обманывает и не выполняет свои же обещания. Мы хотим лидера, который перестанет пресмыкаться перед западным миром. Будем ли им Путин мы не знаем. Открою вам страшную тайну - миллионы людей в России хотят вновь Сталина у руля ибо мы хотим лидера, а не шута или тряпку у руля ядерной державы.

@iram5192

10 ай бұрын

​@@deniskvochka3386 с какой стати ты возомнило себя рупором миллионов ?

@lehapankoff

8 ай бұрын

​@@iram5192ну если быть объективным, миллион человек - это меньше процента населения России. У Сталина гораздо больше рейтинг, судя по опросам населения.

Your a good person Lex ..Your light shines bright brother

5:29 - Talk about a coincident in timing mentioning Dugin... His daughter was killed with a car bomb (intended for Dugin) one day later. I've never even heard of him before today.

@jamesalexander8872

Жыл бұрын

There is a decent chance that this mention resulted in said targeting

@Boogra

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesalexander8872 I'm pretty sure it didn't. Whichever Ukrainian trashbin did this has been planning it for some time. The Left hates Dugin and his knowledge of the workings of the globalists. I guarantee you, though, that after this, they are about to hate him more. When you murder a man's child in front of him, what more does he have to lose?

@Jake_Hamlin

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesalexander8872 not really considering the bombing was planned well prior to this conversation

Jordan should study more on (a) who is Putin and what has he done since 1990; (b) when RU invasion in UA began de facto; (c) show me your friends and I’ll tell who you are! Who has been Putin’s (russia’s) allies and “friends”.

@MB2.0

Жыл бұрын

*sigh* Then what does that say about the US and Europe who are allied with the Saudis, and who send cybersec experts to help Saudis spy on and torture journalists? This is geopolitics not a soap opera

Thank you

Excellent podcast 👏

We have no idea what we will think next, and then, which thoughts will make it to our mouths. If we were present to this fact, and kept a question about who is thinking and whether we really know, it would be difficult to say so much, so fast.

@brutallyremastered4255

Жыл бұрын

WTF?

@J-BiRTH

Жыл бұрын

I think my favorite KZread comments are ones like this, where you can't be entirely sure whether it's a wonderful and insightful piece of prose or the ramblings of a schizophrenic. Had to read this one a couple times, and I'm leaning towards it being the former, Cheers man.

Lex... you are starting to become a more-rounded and total intellectual. I agree, the issue with the wars is an issue of spirit.... of bad energy.

@brutallyremastered4255

Жыл бұрын

“bad energy”? Ffs, lol.

@DineshJ

Жыл бұрын

@@brutallyremastered4255yep...bad JuJu I'm a goddam hippy what can I say 😂

@hmq9052

Жыл бұрын

It's a good job you're not in charge of foreign policy

@DineshJ

Жыл бұрын

@@hmq9052 it's true what you say.... I'd start every diplomatic meeting with a hug, a cup of Ayahuasca and then light up sense incense sticks.... Not sure if it would work

@Boogra

Жыл бұрын

@@DineshJ Well, it certainly couldn't be much worse than it is today. That's for damn sure.

Algorithm showed me less and less videos of mr Jordan P. I’m so happy to be recommended to his videos again 💜

@its_just_that_yeah

Жыл бұрын

Stop relying on algorithms.

I’d love to meet this brilliant man, respect his views and objective thoughts.

I thought wished he would have stayed out of a subject he knows absolutely nothing about so unfortunate but I can see you his own greatness is totally going to his head and instead of sticking to what he’s good at which is helping people especially men finding themselves he’s going into a discussion that is way way out of his depth

Did not expect Jimmy Carr to be quoted in this clip

Peterson suggesting that Western governments not being 'hospital' in communicating with Russia, justyfing invasion on a sovern country is just something I never thought I'm gonna hear from him.

@jackstone4825

Жыл бұрын

You must be used to hearing it from your leaders ever since WW2. They just brainwashed you with a quasi moralistic pretense of ‘going in to protect the local population from a terrible dictator’… This is the biggest issue with you Westerners, your holier than thou attitude towards the rest of the world, whose cultures you don’t give a flying f*ck about understanding, before you invade them for their resources… No worries, your decline is coming to an end… Just another empire of lies falling, just a page in the book of history.

In Lex we Trust

Without love their is only hate, Without a conversation there is only condemnation.

I was attending high level political meetings (presidents, key ministers) across Africa c10 years ago and was floored at how time and time again we were told at how the West lost its way. One particular president pointed out how political correctness was going to allow China to easily win, since we were destroying ourselves.

@RK-jc5ey

Жыл бұрын

When was this last night in your dream or a couple nights ago

@soccom8341576

Жыл бұрын

You think? The West is anti-fragile. The West can literally go down dark alleys with almost guaranteed death, and emerge having learned from the darkness. Yes, the Deep State is real. But, beware the Stockholm Syndrome or falling for their propaganda. Asian and African totalitarians and the cultures themselves are way more aggressive and dangerous than most in the West can possibly imagine.

@DaviAreias

Жыл бұрын

You know we’re safe when we have people named as Retro Game Dreamer attending high level political meetings

@nicklebuck

Жыл бұрын

Yea guys retro game dreamers got that juicy insider info, it's all political correctness, that's our biggest downfall. Don't mind the billionaires gaining more power and control by the day

@Nunyabusiness40

Жыл бұрын

Most believable thing I’ve ever read on the internet

"War is destructive. It is destructive to both the winner and the loser, and it sows the seeds for future conflict. The damage is not only to material things, but to the nature and character of entire nations of people who are traumatized. Humanity has not matured enough nor has grown in wisdom enough to recognize the absolute truth of this. That is why outright warfare in the Greater Community [of intelligent life], particularly on any kind of large scale, is extremely rare, particularly amongst secure and advanced nations." _Life in the Universe » Chapter 7: Competition, Influence and the Mental Environment_ - a free online book by Marshall Vian Summers.

@robertholland7558

Жыл бұрын

That paragraph deserves to be on the front page of every single news service

@johnchapman5125

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing!

When you discuss war you also need to discuss money. War is always about money

@Zach-lv5qs

Жыл бұрын

*resources

@emulation2369

Жыл бұрын

@@---lu8yk it always is

@tylere.8436

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, for the banks, the government spends money on war.

Very interesting!!

It's actually great that Jordan Peterson had this opportunity to explain and elaborate on that disastrous article, 'cause I was getting kind of worried that he's seriously out of touch on the topic. Now I think that the article in question just turned into a rant which it was not designed to be, and that JP actually has a good point with those 4 points. Cheers from Kyiv, Ukraine. p.s. Also, Lex, bravo.

@Texan_American

Жыл бұрын

I thought that article was great

@julius43461

Жыл бұрын

@@Texan_American Yeah I didn't even understand what the problem with number 4 was. Putin, and the rest of the world perceive west as weak and decadent, which is why everyone is getting emboldened.

@grisza77

Жыл бұрын

No, je does not. He does not understand russia.

@SashaTromsa

Жыл бұрын

@@grisza77 that might be true

Dude, Russia has always been like this. You know nothing about this situation.

No one has a higher opinion of Jordan Peterson than Jordan Peterson.

Jordan Petersson interrupting Lex like : "especially listening" lmao! Fun duo 😉

@claudiostulla9647

Жыл бұрын

Good point , I thought that , too.

@claudiostulla9647

Жыл бұрын

Good point, I thought that, too.

I connect with Jordan Peterson when he is in improvisational mode. So much more natural heartfelt and empathic communication. In improve mode I feel like he could connect with everyone if they were willing to listen. When he reads it just feels dry cold and condemning. Improve mode he is so much more human. 👍

@brutallyremastered4255

Жыл бұрын

In “improve mode” it’s just our fault we don’t recognise his generous genius? Fvck right off.

@vhufeosqap

Жыл бұрын

Peterson’s presentation and reading of DailyWire has been bad IMO. If feels false…. snarly and aggressively delivered with a feeling of disgust and anger. Nevermind mind the dramatic word choice (cringe). Unfortunate really, he has come across like an open minded even tempered person in the past… feels like that’s missing much more often as time goes on.

@FrenchCanadianGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@GStones58 wouldn't you love it if someone you disagree with committed suicide? Those kind of thoughts are just making your mental issues worst friend.

@FOURTEEFIVE

Жыл бұрын

@@GStones58 so what?

There should be a class for anyone who wants to be a politician where it’s about 50/50. The emphasis should be on bonding and seeing eachother as humans. While understanding they in a sense have a common goal but see different ways of getting there. It should be explained how each sides brain is physically different, so they are literally seeing the world through different lenses. It should also be explained why each side needs the other side to balance government. It’d probably be helpful for them to learn about creativity and industrious differences too. All while having the point that we are two different types of humans trying to do good through different paths. Afterwards every year or so there should be bonding parties. They seem to see this as a sport where we are two different teams trying to win, instead we are actually one team who need to understand team work

@thelmaviaduct

Жыл бұрын

Day 1, how to be honest.

@rhysperegrine5100

Жыл бұрын

Very few moral issues are 50/50. Generally, one side's argument makes significantly more sense than the other's. I'm glad the signatories of Magna Carta didn't make more of an effort to see things from the perspective of King John. I'm glad political reformers in the 1800s didn't go on team building exercises with the defenders of the aristocracy. I'm glad that Civil Rights campaigners didn't go take part in bonding sessions with the racists who opposed them. And I'm glad the opponents of the Iraq War didn't go paint balling with the architects of that war.

@CalmBeforeTheStorm76

Жыл бұрын

That is a brilliant idea.. Think how that one "requirement" could shift the perspectives of everyone involved. Or, have it be an annual activity. Can you imagine that? These informal events that force our politicians to see the other side as human beings instead of enemies?

@imeleventeen

Жыл бұрын

@@rhysperegrine5100 I get what your saying and agree. But you can still have what I said without that

@kski5432

Жыл бұрын

Sounds a lot similar to Maos struggle sessions.

I think the answer is much simpler: Germany (predominantly) accepted the annexation of Crimea and continued business deals with Russia, more dependence on energy, etc. Germany apparently thought nothing more would happen. They had 8 years to separate. Instead, they got *more* "in bed" with Russia during that time. Former politicians in business deals with oligarchs. From Putin's perspective, he would think he hadn't done anything wrong. He was encouraged to believe he could do more, "they're not going to do anything." (Now Germany complains about how much they'll suffer this winter. They had 8 years? Why was Crimea a nothingburger all that time?). Someone else commented that the west failed by losing meritocracy. I agree 100%.

@JustTayo

Жыл бұрын

Where does NATO expansion and the tradition of US fighting a proxy war comes to place?

@mozes7786

Жыл бұрын

You are talking about a 70 year old man as though he has the intellectual capacity of a 10 year old.

@Cockmonging

Жыл бұрын

@@mozes7786 Didn't you hear? Painting your political opponents as comically incompetent but at the same time also the embodiment of all that is evil has become the norm.

@mozes7786

Жыл бұрын

@@Cockmonging the two are not mutually exclusive.

@yeehaw9303

Жыл бұрын

@@JustTayo NATO expansion has nothing to do with this conflict no matter how hard kremlin is trying to convince people. NATO is already at russia's borders and has been for quite a while. NATO would never invade a nuclear superpower, thus it poses no threat to russia, unless, russia wants to expand it's territory and start imperialist wars against it's neighbours. NATO expansion isn't the problem, russian imperialism is.

Jordan Peterson is the king of pushing stories on everything and everyone. Thinking he's contextualizing reality when human beings form judgements based on themselves. In essence he just describes himself and pushes it on others.

Lex, what you are missing in the entire picture is the global financial system. It's more important then anything else, because it's the last barrier preventing wars.

@MADDcartman

Жыл бұрын

It’s hard for the financial system to intervene when many countries, namely Germany, are energy dependent on Russia.

@weirdshibainu

Жыл бұрын

LOL. What you're missing is the global financial systems are often the catalysts for wars.

@tiktokking1546

Жыл бұрын

That's the fallacy of structualism.

@basilp5179

Жыл бұрын

Preventing? I’d say it’s the cause. See “Wall Street and the Russian Revolution.”

@jamesmcdougal2

Жыл бұрын

West has weaponized the financial system to bend others to their will. Its a tool of war

Peterson is all over the place here - jumping from subject to subject. Dr Peterson - tidy up your disorganised mind.

@ciscoscos846

Жыл бұрын

You can't even use correct spelling? 😒

@ciscoscos846

Жыл бұрын

@jamesnthat you say that, for me criticizing your comment where you criticize someone else . Do you get special treatment?

@drumboarder1

Жыл бұрын

I think years of being accused of stuff really messed with the poor dude. Conspiracy minded me thinks he was a target of the whole russian propaganda thing, make a rational person out to be hitler to divide n concur. He's only one to start losing their minds..

@ciscoscos846

Жыл бұрын

@@drumboarder1 Hey!Hey! Get out of here!! I was giving him shit, not you! Get out of our thread. We didn't invite you here 😆 🤣

Mr Peterson has some excellent relationship advice which involves having micro conflict over small things which then prevents anything becoming serious enough to threaten the relationship. It's like the difference between a noisy guard dog and a silent one who doesn't bark but mauls the intruder to death instead. You don't want the latter. You want the noisy one. The greatest inadequacy of the was west not any hostility to Russia or some cynical plot to undermine it but it was not barking sufficiently loudly and early and it has allowed Putin to make his deadly move which now must be confronted in order not to compound the western mistake and merely encourage an even more serious war later between Nato and Russia-because Putin is running out of non-Nato countries to attack. Throughout the Cold War the idea of mutually assured destruction kept the human race relatively safe with its defensive idea that any attack on each other resulted in assured destruction for all. But now western complacency has allowed Russia to throw out that doctrine and invade a neutral country while threatening nuclear annihilation on anyone who tries to help. Instead of ' I will wipe you out if you attack my country' they are saying 'I will wipe you out if you don't allow me to attack whoever I want'

@anewhopedawn6676

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ur brainwashed by western media bro, ur so lost

@chiffa37

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Is this what they tell you in the west? Lmao

@johntowers1213

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*Instead of ' I will wipe you out if you attack my country' they are saying 'I will wipe you out if you don't allow me to attack whoever I want'* So western Foreign policy to a T in other words? ... The utter rank hypocrisy to even make that comment with a straight face :( The Russians are in the wrong here that is clear... but lectures from the West ring hollow like an empty pot.. its like an Arsonist scolding a mugger for the their criminal behavior

@niallodonnell7827

Жыл бұрын

@@chiffa37 Yeah-Russia has a free press and we in the west don't.-Like we're going to take that seriously. Wake up my friend before he starts to conscript you into the orc army.

@niallodonnell7827

Жыл бұрын

@@johntowers1213 Try not to be so hysterical. When was the last time the west threatened anyone with nuclear attack?

It would be interesting to see Lex talk with Vlad Vexler re Ukraine and Putin.

His reasons are essentially all hindsight. I mean, not very smart.

@541-RAIDER

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Putin doesn't write his speeches. Follow the money! Putin listens to those that create wealth for him and other Russians with wealth. Wealth in Russia is made through energy, especially oil and natural gas. The rest of the world's dependence on fossil fuels feeds countries like Russia's oligarchy status. The west needs to continue to lead the world's shift from fossil fuels. The west also needs to be the leader of developing the recycling of natural resources used within the storage of energy. If the west can lead this world change, power within countries like Russia will be better distributed amongst their people. Believing Putin acts independently and creates his own political agenda is ignorant. War between Russia and Ukraine is predominantly based on the premise of resource allocation and control.

@TheSakufighter

Жыл бұрын

Always some loser thinking they’re going to knock JBP down a peg or two. 😆

JPs hypotheses of how high minded congressman people are is completely unfounded in reality.

It pains me to see JP becoming Russia lobbyist.

@Stefansrb369

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Maybe it's worst that British American and some Western European countries overthrev the 2014 governemnt,trained ukranian extremist. Why is US medling EVERYWHERE in the world accepted as the norm? Hollywood has brainwashed the world. NATO is global terorism. They bombed my whole country in 99 and created a criminal quazy state in our south,based on a fake "killing of civilians"(Actually Serbian polices protected our and šiptari civilians from OVK terorists,killed them,lay their weapons besides them. A filming crew came,they were german under US instructions,and moved their weapons and striped their amblems of their uniforms and then started "reporting".) That is Račak,a discusting lie,that destroyed a country and set it back a few decades. Not to mention they used uranium in bombs,which is not under Geneva convention,and even a lot of NATO soldiers got cancer and we are joining italians in sueing them. They are liar,deceivers,still colonial,and some who have the means are fighting back. I just wish americans,german and english would fight instead of slavic brothers from Ukraine,but the above mentioned are pumping weapons and making money. They left Avganistan but moved slightly NW it would seem.

@Dadagagarod

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@@Stefansrb369 when russian bot answers to your comments on KZread that's when you know you are right.

@Stefansrb369

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@@Dadagagarod i'm not a russian bot. If anything,i would be a serbian bot,but i don't like my government very much to call myself that. I just see a sequence of events that have led to this. But you like what the US is doing for you,know this. They will fight Russia until the last Ukranian. But hey, keep just watching BBC news,im sure they tell all the truth all the time. Surely your not that naive ?

Mr Peterson,why do you have to have an opinion about everything? Don't you think for a second that you might be Wrong?!

Lex,you know the situation well,you never ever mention the Minsk agreement,the east wanted nothing to do with Ukraine after the coup in 2014

@shved80

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He is a beta: that's why.

@iiiooo3803

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@lukasnemeiksis127

Жыл бұрын

budapest memorandum

@marvintalesman6306

Жыл бұрын

Grossly hypocritical the first part. What both of them, didnt understand about the existential threat that NATO expantion pose for Russia ? Why is so difficult to realise the absolute power of geostrategy as a defining decision making factor for any sovereign leader ? What of everything prof JOHN MEARSHEIMER explains apout the war in Ukraine is difficult to grasp ? .....

@tommyrq180

Жыл бұрын

He also didn’t mention the 1997 Treaty on Friendship Cooperation and Partnership In which Russia agreed not to invade Ukraine. Which they did by invading, occupying and annexing Crimea. Agreements are mere entertainment and window dressing to Russia.

Lex doesn't bother doing his homework and lets Peterson completely redefine the conversation. Bad interview Lex, do better. Not because it's popular, because it's right.

The US did the same in Yugoslavia in the 90's.. Absolutely the same!!

A similar argument for Peter on how we construct our ideas or practice - how do you make ur your idea has not been shaped into the way you want and keep objective

I've followed peterson for years, and good god man, he has to stop interrupting people lol. I like the guy, and I get that he has a million different thoughts and his brain is working a mile-a-minute, but seriously, it just reaches a point for me where I'm like "JORDAN, LET THEM FINISH" lol

@sujonalio6154

Жыл бұрын

correcting ppl during a mistake isnt baf

@BuckeyeRutabaga

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that too quite a few times. I hope people in his circles have the courage to point that out to him. He seems to be more accustomed to be a monologue type of guy rather than a dialogue.

@SamWalsh1

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He’s lost the plot. He just rambles now like an old man. It’s sad.

@kellrockets101

Жыл бұрын

@@SamWalsh1 and yet here you are continuing to listen. I never understood this....if what he says becomes intolerable or useless, then why stay for the show?

@SamWalsh1

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@@kellrockets101 because I used to like him and am hoping he will return to his previously more humble and funny self. I also like Lex.

Blaming the war in Ukraine on ‘the woke’ is some of the craziest mental gymnastics I have ever seen

@oslogutt80

Жыл бұрын

Then read more....

Thanks Lex!