Conservatives: Won't somebody think of the children! Child: I want to transition. Conservative: Won't somebody think of the parents? Parent: I love my child and support their happiness. Conservatives: Won't someone think of the parents who consider their kids as nothing but property? Bad Parents: Finally someone's speaking up for me!

@dogmatictales

Жыл бұрын

Perfect

@sinsincere5748

Жыл бұрын

🎯

@thepolarphantasm2319

Жыл бұрын

The GOP: for parents who don't actually care if their kids are stupid, but will fight like absolute hell to keep their kids away from the ethnics 👍

@dl2725

Жыл бұрын

Yup ☝️

@xJeanMichelNoirx

Жыл бұрын

Spot on

"look at what you made me do" perfectly sums up JPs & his guest's points.

@Terra_Lopez

Жыл бұрын

Yes. They see themselves as victims. They don't take responsibility for their thoughts, feelings, words or actions. They reframe any situation to see themselves as the victims. They are the true enemies of everything Jesus stood for, who many of them claim to follow. It's as if MLK was made the figurehead of the KKK.

@MagpieTimes

Жыл бұрын

DARVO

@arcadiaberger9204

Жыл бұрын

@@MagpieTimes Who's Darvo?

@polferiferus1938

Жыл бұрын

@Arcadia Berger - To quote Jennifer Freyd, PhD, "DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for 'Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender.' The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim-or the whistle blower-into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of 'falsely accused' and attacks the accuser's credibility and blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation."

@LoveJungle420

Жыл бұрын

​@@MagpieTimes And/or Mommy Dearest

Disturbing guest? She's a doctor.

@landon1626

2 ай бұрын

Yes so it's Jordan Peterson 😂😂... what's your point?

@schmoborama

Ай бұрын

*That's what makes it disturbing*, derp

Thank god Jordan Peterson and others like him. This world needs more people like them

@marcies3789

11 ай бұрын

Oh yes, the world certainly needs more hateful bigots, that'll help things! /smdh

@Dutch3DMaster

8 ай бұрын

No we don't. We don't need more people to hate on a particular group of people, ESPECIALLY not people who think they need to be capable of surfing on their title for this long while spouting such fucking nonsense.

Gaslighting child abuse is very common. I wonder if his daughter is going to go off the script one of these days. No way he's not an abusive parent.

@tysonasaurus6392

Жыл бұрын

For real, I've heard some people claim she actually hates him, idk if that's true but I'm sure I'd be suicidal regardless of gender identity if JP was my parent

@leparfumdugrosboss4216

Жыл бұрын

One has to wonder how many pictures of semen milking bdsm he sends her daily in PM 🤔

@wiselioness322

Жыл бұрын

Some people think she tried to kill him, and if it’s true I wouldn’t blame her a bit.

@tschorsch

Жыл бұрын

She's probably completely damaged, and is now a grifter herself. She probably won't give that up until long after Jordi Pee has kicked the bucket.

@madcamdisease

Жыл бұрын

Nah she’s part of the grift

I Mean, the last time you had him on, he was "pushing back" on the definition of rape and trying to define a woman's rights as though she were property. And that video has over 1 million views, so it doesn't surprise me at this point. He might as well espouse 6th century view points

@TyroneBiggums789

Жыл бұрын

Peterson came on this show? How do I find it on KZread?

@Terra_Lopez

Жыл бұрын

@@TyroneBiggums789 They mean 'had him on' as clips to react to, just as they did here. 🥰 ...The right wing think of themselves as victims. They don't take responsibility for their thoughts, feelings, words or actions. They reframe any situation to see themselves as the victims. ...They are the true enemies of everything Jesus stood for, who many of them claim to follow. It's as if MLK was made the figurehead of the KKK.

@MichaelDeHaven

Жыл бұрын

​@@TyroneBiggums789They were talking about a video clip, not JP in person.

@theinvisiblewoman5709

Жыл бұрын

I remember that clip. He basically said the only way to prevent rape is to be next to a man who won’t rape you… like geez I never thought of that before. And when pushed back he said men in your family as if men with families never rape… that guy is ridiculous. The smallest bit of research on abuse debunks him.

@flor9389

Жыл бұрын

Well, that’s super Old Testament of him

Jordan Peterson is a national treasure

So much easier to question the character of those you disagree with rather than their actual points and arguments, isn't it?

@MarkyMarcSpector

Жыл бұрын

When their points and arguments or so blatantly false and easily disproven, what else are you supposed to do?

@KangMinseok

11 ай бұрын

@@MarkyMarcSpector What's your evidence against the scientific observation that most cases of gender dysphoria in teens resolve naturally without intervention once puberty is lived through?

@getmotivated1707

10 ай бұрын

​@@KangMinseok most is not all, and nobody is arguing that trans people are a majority group. The basic issue is caring whether a minority groups rights matter or not. Treat people like people, with agency over their own identity. This is not a war on cis straight people...

@KangMinseok

10 ай бұрын

@@getmotivated1707 no one is supposed to have a right to 'gender', it's a social construct generated by the social community. We also don't give "special" individuals the right to dictate that their random pieces of paper is now suddenly worth 5,000 bucks (money as a social construct). I fundamentally disagree that any individual person should have such a right at law and dictate this social construct upon the community as if it were an individual, inherent property. The only social construct we allow this for is that of 'religion' - I vehemently disagree with the attempt at turning 'gender' into a pseudo-religion(s) where people can enter or exit based on self-conviction alone. By its nature, your 'gender', like your socially constructed 'beauty' or 'race', only exists through the perceptions of others of you. To entitle you at law to dictate perception is a blatant violation of the human right of everyone else to freely express their perception of both social and physical reality.

@getmotivated1707

9 ай бұрын

@@KangMinseok good points, which is why agency over ones OWN identity is paramount, politics has no business in it, and rights extend outward from the individual, their boundary is other people's rights. We agree more than you think if all you've said above stands. Where we seem to disagree is which views are considered the "right" views. I believe it should not matter, no opinion is worth more than another, and my line is drawn at "infringing on basic human rights" as far as weighing them up is concerned because I don't believe I am without bias, and laws or charters of rights have to be precise. They have to cover EVERYBODY. Excluding groups of people based on your religious views or ideology is short sighted, because what happens when the other side is in charge? Suddenly it might be your rights that are up for debate, surely you'd want laws and rules and rights to be very basic and clear? It's a very simple issue for me on that basis, and I think a lot of people are getting caught up in an us vs them distraction, either human rights for all humans is a deal breaker for you, or it's not. Even if you don't like or understand them.

There's a real easy solution for parents of trans kids worrying about whether their kids would become estranged and break off all contact - *be a supportive parent*

@letsomethingshine

Жыл бұрын

Yep, and you can approach ANY disagreement in a loving/caring way. Shuning, scolding, guilting, and other forms of manipulation are unreasonable if you want your kids to like spending time with you.

@onomonopoeia

Жыл бұрын

Yup.

@generallyuninterested4956

Жыл бұрын

Be a supportive parent. That's it. Life is too short.

@russellzwicker3226

Жыл бұрын

I'm a trans person. My parents are supportive, as are my siblings and extended family. I didn't have to cut anyone off, and still attend all the family events and whatnot. If a trans kid won't speak to their parent(s)--IT'S THE PARENT(S)' FAULT.

@fergalcussen

Жыл бұрын

Being a supportive parent is not the same thing as just doing everything your child says.

As a mixed-race person who remembers the leftover bigots in the 80s and early 90s who were against "interracial marriage," the dog whistle with this argumentation is loud and clear. One objection was "think about the children of such a marriage and how difficult it is for them". To Steelman this objection the assumption is that the parents in the interracial marriage did something morally objectionable to put the child in harm's way, nevermind they never say out loud that harm's way means the bigots in society such as themselves making the objection. The second but more subtle objection is that this mixed-race child by simply existing is a threat to the well-being of the family. I know it's tautological, the parents harming the kid and the kid harming the family, but most conservative arguments are. Here this lady is latching onto this later objection to use against trans kids. That it's somehow the kid's fault for existing that is destroying the family. It was bigotry then and it's bigotry now. The one good thing about this is that when you go this low it means you have run out of valid objections to cover for your bigoted arguments. And these arguments always exclude the principals involved, interracial kids, and trans kids, it's always implicitly framed as the objector's perspective. They summed this last part up in the video (look what you made me do and narcissistic fears 7:23 )

Our generations have spent our whole lives quietly suffering to keep our parents and grandparents appeased. Thank god for trans people finally standing up and saying enough is enough

@firefly9838

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the like 40 trans people in the nation. This is a complete non issue on both sides.

@SavagelyBadAtLosing

Жыл бұрын

​@@firefly9838 the right making it an issue in the first place is the only reason it's an issue on the left. This is not a "both sides" scenario.

@firefly9838

Жыл бұрын

@@SavagelyBadAtLosing yeah the left needs to ignore it. The like 5 people this actually effects I guarantee you aren't binge watching the fucking daily wire going "ohhhhh poorrrrr meeee". Ok no. They have real lives and they don't care. This is a both sides issue. The right is not going to be the adult and move on so the left needs to. However, it's very convenient that this is good content for the left to get on their soapbox and shame, shame, shame 97% of us normal people who just don't care. Do you know what matters the most people? Making sure we have enough money to eat at the end of the week. Acknowledging the bullies at the daily wire is just pouring fuel on the fire.

@arcadiaberger9204

Жыл бұрын

@@firefly9838 Try four million, or about as many as there are redheads as a percentage of the world population.

@AnthonyL0401

Жыл бұрын

​@@firefly9838 You've never been on Twitter obviously

I'll just say it. He is the monster. I almost thought he couldn't get worse, but I was wrong.

@manderly33

Жыл бұрын

And like a lot of monsters, he’s aging like milk.

@coaldoubt2879

Жыл бұрын

@@manderly33 or like a fine apple cider, perhaps 🤔

@JustinsDVDandVHSOpenings2015

Жыл бұрын

Don’t call him a monster! He’d take that as a compliment. Try something out of his own dictionary, like Machiavellian, instead.

@RiotKurhein

Жыл бұрын

@@JustinsDVDandVHSOpenings2015 a Machiavellian post modern relativist.

@coaldoubt2879

Жыл бұрын

@@JustinsDVDandVHSOpenings2015 😂 Rule 10: Be precise in your speech I know this is out of left field but do you remember when he called the Holodomor, the hullamador?

It should be a felony to do that to kids. If an adult wants to on their own dollar that's fine.

@Overseer2579

Ай бұрын

Well we know you don’t actually believe that. Cause people are shitty towards trans adults all the friggin’ time

I am sorry that you are not ready to hear the truth about what happens to some families due to the bad counseling advice of people we are supposed to trust. I thought Jordan and his guest was spot on in educating the public about what can go wrong.

@user-md9ok2wv6r

4 ай бұрын

Dr. Miriam Grossman, M.D. Miriam Grossman, M.D., is a board certified child, adolescent, and adult psychiatrist. She writes and speaks to parents, students, educators, and health professionals internationally on the dangers of political correctness in her profession. She is the author of You're Teaching My Child What?: A Physician Exposes the Lies of Sex Education and How They Harm Your Child, and Unprotected: Campus Psychiatrist Reveals How Political Correctness in Her Profession Endangers Every Student. Dr. Grossman graduated cum laude from Bryn Mawr College. She attended New York University Medical School and completed her residency in psychiatry, followed by a fellowship in child and adolescent psychiatry, through Cornell University. Dr. Grossman is also the author of Wonder of Becoming You: How a Jewish Girl Grows Up, published in 1988. She lives in Los Angeles with her family and a beagle, Willie Prozac.

@paulsmart4672

3 ай бұрын

The truth is the thing supported by the data, actually. What Peterson is talking about is traditionally called a "lie".

@InservioLetum

4 күн бұрын

Andrew Wakefield did literally the same thing, and thankfully we managed to cut him off before his views became doctrine like John Money's views did. Being autistic, I will likely be fighting Wakefield's lies for the rest of my life.

"Oh, won't someone think of the parents!.. but only in regards to this issue. Screw them when it comes to a basic social welfare nets for poor or struggling parents."

@genossinwaabooz4373

Жыл бұрын

Or when disability-poverty leaves some ppl abandoned in suffering so that they'd request the 'exit w assist option', in Canada, if I'm not mistaken.

@randibgood

Жыл бұрын

Or the ones who have to bury their children after a mass shooting. I'll bet those parents want to add a few things to all of these "parents bill of rights" so many states are pushing through.

It’s infinitely better for a child to break their parent’s heart, than for the parent to break the child’s spirit. That’s what I told myself 22 years ago, so I could bear the guilt of leaving my parents’ religion. And still, I almost can’t imagine the awfulness for a trans child with a bigoted parent. Kids trying to be true to yourselves, so, so many of us have your back ✊🏻

@Whooterzoot

Жыл бұрын

Thank you ❤

@dinosaysrawr

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@AZ-hg6kw

Жыл бұрын

100%!

@normanberg9940

Жыл бұрын

Meh left wing bullshittery. Funny all of a sudden you are sooooo concerned about the children. While at the same time you can't get enough of aborting them, even championing infanticide. That's when you aren't trying to sexualize them. Vengeance IS MINE SAYITH THE LORD.

@Acanthophis

Жыл бұрын

If your kid doesn't occasionally break your heart there is probably something seriously wrong with the parent-child relationship.

jordan is slowly transforming into skeletor

@nunpho

Жыл бұрын

Nahhh, not buff enough

@micheleokay1772

Жыл бұрын

Well he’s already Red Skull so there’s that.

@jessicadavis3989

Жыл бұрын

Yasssss!!!! That man is NOT sober!

@SkulloMad

Жыл бұрын

He isn't cool enough

@jona.scholt4362

Жыл бұрын

He can't be Skeletor because Donald Rumsfeld is Skeletor.

If gender affirming care is therapy and providing support, I’m all for it. But if it’s giving children life altering surgery that has a high percentage of issues, then… no. If I try to think about myself when I was 16 compared to now at 31. Like no.

Truth isn't Phobia

@weirdo82

11 ай бұрын

Problem is, neither Peterson nor the woman he's talking to are telling the truth. Far from it.

@josephbarpaulomoises4977

11 ай бұрын

@@weirdo82 actually they are telling the truth

@weirdo82

11 ай бұрын

@@josephbarpaulomoises4977 AGAIN, except they're not.

@rafsmith1993

11 ай бұрын

@weirdo82 You sound triggered, like the hosts of this channel.

@rooftop9311

11 ай бұрын

@@weirdo82 Oh but they are. But you're too brainwashed to see it, mate. Keep injecting those kids with drugs meant for chemical castration, Big Brother's truth to be sure

And Bradley nails it four minutes in with his initial response to Miriam. Those are issues faced by all parents. Those who choose to have children have to recognize that the individuals they spawn are individuals and aren't beholden to the parents that sired them in any way. Parents EARN that love and loyalty.

@teresathomley3703

Жыл бұрын

Damn right.

@j3dimindtrix168

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@yishnir

Жыл бұрын

Furthermore, the entire thought process Grossman is 'outlining' for the parents is based entirely on selfishness with no speck of respect or tolerance for the children's personhood... or love. The 'love' of the parents is being defined as entirely transactional and judgemental. With parents whose attitude towards their children is as the two quacks describe, that would be precisely WHY the children would be fleeing their families.

@cassandramcfadyen1988

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you spend 20 years earning respect and having a good relationship, and the minute the parents dont capitulate 100%, you loose them. I sure dont agree with everything my parents think but I dont divorce them for it.

@Izrek

Жыл бұрын

​@@cassandramcfadyen1988 cool strawman

Lol I'm not trans but I am atheist and my mom is completely distraught over the fact that I'm atheist but she doesn't get to tell me how to live my life and even if she was feeling suicidal I'm sorry, tough s*** you don't get to control other people and you don't get to be pissed off and depressed about other people's decisions for their own lives.

@cassandramcfadyen1988

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I am not telling my kid they cant be trans Im just saying I dont agree. They are free to be who they are. But that same freedom gives me the permission to not have to agree with it. The difference here too is that religion is rubbish as is this gender ideology. Yo believe something I just dont believe

@UlexiteTVStoneLexite

Жыл бұрын

@@cassandramcfadyen1988 but you are wrong for disagreeing with them. If they tell you that they are trans then they are correct and you are wrong for not agreeing with them Just like with my mom she can disagree with me being atheist all she wants but she is incorrect. God doesn't exist. If your kids are trans then they are trans whether you agree or not. If you disagree with them you are incorrect Freedom does not mean you're entitled to incorrect information. Flat earthers are free to think that the Earth is flat but they're still incorrect. Theists are allowed to believe in a God but they are still incorrect you can think that your kids are not trans but you are still incorrect. You can be it jerk as much as you want but you are still incorrect and you would be a very ignorant jerk to your child if you disagree with them about being trans You might think that this discussion about gender is rubbish but you are wrong. Any biologists will tell you that you are wrong. Sex is not a binary in biology in any way shape or form and gender is also not a binary in any way shape or form. I mean before we could do DNA test to actually see what chromosomes a person has if you had an intersex individual that identified as a gender contrary to what the appear to be then they are correct when they identify as a different gender and you are wrong and insisting on what gender they are. Your gender identity is in your brain and your brain is influenced by so many different things during development so yes you can have a person with the incorrect brain development in the incorrect body. Biology is not perfect and you're an absolute fool to think that it is and you are an absolute fool to not understand that your gender identity is dependent on so many factors and it's not just your chromosomes. When you have intersex conditions that you can visibly see or visibly test for then why is it so difficult to think that there might be things in only the brain that are making a gender discrepancy? You might think this is rubbish but that only demonstrates your lack of understanding

@cassandramcfadyen1988

Жыл бұрын

@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite Perfect example. 'Flat earthers are free to think that the Earth is flat but they're still incorrect ' As is my child. They may "Feel" something that isn't true. You're not saying anything I haven't already heard a million times Still doesn't make it right. The point is That I don't love them less because of what they feel. But They love me less because of what I feel. right???

@UlexiteTVStoneLexite

Жыл бұрын

@@cassandramcfadyen1988 if you were the one that is incorrect then you were the one that is incorrect. If your kid is a flat-earther and loves you less because you're not a flat-earther they are the one that is incorrect. However if your kid is trans and you don't believe them you are the one that is incorrect. Regardless of if my mom agrees or likes it or not she is wrong when she is upset over the fact that I am atheist. What matters is reality and if your opinions don't reflect with reality then you are the one that is incorrect In this topic you are the one that is wrong. It's not about believing something or not, it's facts and evidence. The facts demonstrate that you are the one in the wrong here. Sorry if you don't like reality but, tough shit

@wiselioness322

Жыл бұрын

@@cassandramcfadyen1988 gee, I can’t imagine why your kid wants nothing to do with you.

Wait, you guys are not aware of the fact that the majority of gender dysphoria cases that are not medically affirmed resolve naturally after puberty?

If you're kid comes up and says, Mom, I hate my arm I want to cut it off. Would you affirm that mental illness? Or would you steer them away from it? Now tell me the difference between cutting off genitals and arms

@TheMarsCydonia

Жыл бұрын

One is fictional scenario, the other is a scenario that upsets your feelings and you'd prefer the kid to die?

@Vekikev1

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMarsCydonia Why do you think it's fictional scenario. Kids have crazy ideas all the time.

@TheMarsCydonia

Жыл бұрын

@@Vekikev1 Because adults have crazy ideas all the time too, especially when they're at the type to have their feelings upset at the mere existence of the LGBT.

@antithoughtpolice7497

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@TheMarsCydonia The kid will be very depressed later from being sterilized... Oh, and 70% of trans youth change their minds when they're adults. And the ones that don't may want to have kids and sex in the future... There's always a big difference between letting a kid socially transition and the medical transition. Detransitioners are happening. Not to mention Jazz Jennings was a trans youth, blockers and hormones, but her same doctor PUSHED for bottom surgery... On her penis that never fully developed. Jazz didn't have enough skin and got botched. Her doctor was just chasing clout. It was sick. Now she's sterile, botched, and depressed. I was someone that hated my body, and thought being trans was why in highschool. I just thank God I didn't end up as a detransitioner. So it looks like you don't care about trans youth. Wildly following every idea someone has isn't being supportive and a good friend. A good person will tell you when you're being mean, stupid, or petty, basically call any bs.

@TheMarsCydonia

Жыл бұрын

@@antithoughtpolice7497 Jennings is not a detransitioner. So you're asserting a link between the medical treatment and depression without any basis as you didn't provide a citation. You didn't provide one for your claim that "over half trans kids change their minds when they're adults, whether they got hormones or not" either. Particularly, a citation that over half of teenagers who medically transition change their minds once adults. You're being mean, stupid, or petty and you're spewing bs.

It must suck to have such a transactional relationship with love, as some people seem.

People trained in psychology are very good at making you feel like shit if they want to.

@Riverandsun

Жыл бұрын

No. Only the ones like Jordan Peterson who should be struck off.

@The_Serpent_of_Eden

Жыл бұрын

I've read that mental health doctors/specialists have discovered that a certain type of person doesn't actually benefit from therapy. Instead, this kind of person learns how to be a BETTER abuser, to gaslight more effectively and subtly, to manipulate their victims better using psychological jargon, etc. Basically, a certain kind of person (narcissist? predator?) learns from therapy how to be worse, instead of self-reflecting and changing to become worse. They become better at hiding their behavior and being crafty and sly. Peterson is that kind of person. And he leads groups of similar people. Really scary and I'm glad the MR is fighting it so strongly.

@dinosaysrawr

Жыл бұрын

Toxic people will gravitate to fields, positions, and areas of knowledge that allow them to manipulate and dominate people more effectively

@areuarealman7269

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I see them all the time just throw it back in their face one of them slammed his door on me telling people in the next room hes untreatable he's not even crazy and he knows it he keeps saying it's the meds it's the meds I can't work with him .....news flash it's still the meds 20 years later same problems different idiots .

@Dutch3DMaster

8 ай бұрын

No they are not. Good, actual psychologists or psychiatrists know that publicly showing how fucking biased they are, and how eager they would be to have this bias interfere in their treatment should not be able to still hold on to that title, just like how Jordan Peterson was requested to stop using his title for being so hateful. I've not had a therapist doing what you claim they can do, but if I did feel bad, it is because I got a very serious task to work on, and it was something that could make me uncomfortable, or it was something that pressed me on a new issue I overlooked. Not deliberate, but meant to help me grow or combat a problem. This woman is just a sick and twisted human being.

I will never get tired of writing this: I took a Gender Studies course at Texas Christian University, & I read in our textbook at 1 point that roughly 7% of the U.S. population (or about 1 in 15 people) is openly in the LGBT+ community, but only a fraction of them are actually in the T category (less then half of 1 in 100 people), so even for Republican politicians, FOX News hosts, & Conservative KZreadrs, their blatant anti-transgender propaganda makes no logical sense (on top of being morally wrong) because they're attacking the minority group of a minority group.

@GayRetard69

Жыл бұрын

No matter how much white knighting you do no woman will look at that and sleep with you.

@ihatetoshiba

Жыл бұрын

It makes perfect sense, attack the weakest group that you can find. Especially if most people consider them strange or weird, as people who feel that way are less likely to say they deserve protection, and may be swayed to feel that they should conform.

@doktarr

Жыл бұрын

To the bigots this is a feature, not a bug. The smaller this minority is, the safer they feel piling on.

@jackeagleeye3453

Жыл бұрын

Off topic but can Jordan Peterson talk for 5 minutes without going into some weird religious/super natural direction? Do people still consider him a psychologist?

@canamrock

Жыл бұрын

It makes a certain wicked sort of tactical sense, though. They're an incredibly small minority group, so you have less chance of immunization from the hatred through casual benign exposure as what is often seen as a big part of acceptance of gay rights. There is a fundamental discomfort factor that some people experience seeing "non-passing" trans people that makes it much easier to get them to rationalize their disgust into a moral factor rather than personal preference. And it allows an easy scapegoat. In the opposite way of how the unborn child is a pure innocent, it's a perfect storm to make demons out of people so they can leverage that bigot inroad to pushing people to hate other out groups similarly.

Lots of groomer apologists here with childish view points. Not surprising since this commentary video was made possible by someone with a childish mentality. Milestones never accomplished. Projection. Projection and more projection. A new low for The Majority Report absolutely.

The female commentator is completely ignorant of the actual cases where a parent has been criminally prosecuted or lost parental rights for not supporting their child’s transition. Has happened in both Canada and USA.

@TheMarsCydonia

Жыл бұрын

And she'll remain completely ignorant since you couldn't name a single one of those alledgly actual cases. So people will not believe they're real. They're like any other baseless claims of the internet.

@danielv.5988

10 ай бұрын

@@TheMarsCydonia Jeff Younger, Jeannette Cooper, Rob Hoogland

@TheMarsCydonia

10 ай бұрын

@@danielv.5988 So not a single, uh? None of them were prosecuted and none of them lost parental "rights" that were not part of a custody dispute.

I actually couldn't finish this. After he called trans people "a confused monstrosity". I'm trans. Getting treatment and being accepted saved my life. I felt like a boy, and wanted to be a boy, since I was 3 years old. I knew nothing about "gender ideology" then. When I was an early teen I cried myselt to sleep multiple days a week, hoping I would wake up as a boy. After I randomly discovered that one could actually transition, I felt such hope for the first time, but kept my feelings secret for years because I though people would be disgusted with me if they know how I felt and what I wanted. Then finally I broke down and spoke with my mom, and she accepted me and wanted to help. Then I transitioned. It was hard. The social stigma I felt was hardest, but I had no other choice. Wonderful therapists helped me explore my feelings and determine if transition was right for me, and it was. Since transitioning, my life has transformed. I live life like a normal guy. I have a wonderful sex life with my first ever girlfriend, I've become closer with my family, and all my friendships are better. Everything is better. I like my body now. I'm healthy and work out, I'm more outgoing and just at peace with myself. Jordan Peterson is a disgusting monster who is either evil, ignorant or both. Probably both.

@nolongerblocked6210

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you're happy, ignore the haters.. you do you. The religious crowd needs to learn to mind their own business & worry about themselves. Have a nice day ✌️

@iloveass8851

Жыл бұрын

It's genocidal rhetoric. The American/British right has made it perfectly clear that they want to erase trans people from society.

@jsmartin

Жыл бұрын

It isn't anybody's business but yours. Still trying to figure out what happened to the party of small government.

@ashleyen3

Жыл бұрын

I am very happy for you and will continue true to support trans people. 💜

@Londyn406

Жыл бұрын

I'm happy you are living a beautiful happy life. It's more of us standing with you than these hateful people who are against you. So keep living your best life. 💓 🌈❤

Here's where I miss Sam's impressionist skills. His "Peterson" is unmatched.

@jcleaverchamberlinjr

Жыл бұрын

Er….Michael Brooks?

@JordanOrlando

Жыл бұрын

@@jcleaverchamberlinjr Right. I came too late to MR to be sufficiently aware of him - excuse me.

@stevenmccormack6263

Жыл бұрын

You mean his pathetic and childish impression?

@Whooterzoot

Жыл бұрын

Lol I like his and Hasanabi's, too

@vincentcomeau7844

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenmccormack6263 we've found our JP fanboi!

I'm not a big Jordan Peterson fan but the hatred spewed against him and Grossman by these two is over the top.

@powerbottom4971

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Sam & friends are over the top idiots. Also they completely prove jbp and her right when she demands her doctors license be revoked. Lol.

@ntodd4110

Жыл бұрын

You really need to consider the hate coming FROM Peterson. I wouldn't have believed such a thing was possible, but this is a new low.

@theanticomment

Жыл бұрын

Nah l take dude. Peterson can get boned.

Jordan Peterson is a Canadian and the legal situation is different from the US, you could have checked it before. And other than attacking enormous strawmen I don't see the point of this video. What they say is how some parents can feel very distressed when a child embraces an unorthodox identity, they learned about at school or through social media, and they might be compelled by law to provide them so-called gender-affirming care. This is stressful. And yes it's stressful for the child too, but nobody talks about the parents, because some victims are worth more than others. Nowhere did Jordan say "don't transition because your parent might kill themselves". Do have dialogue and be aware that both parties' feelings might be hurt, and try your best to negotiate. That's what they're saying. Dr. Grossman isn't even against surgery in certain cases so stop painting her as some sort of a religious zealot. What is most disturbing to parents is that the family structure is collapsing. Apparently you can't criticise your children because they will commit suicide. Like the huge trans suicide wave 200 years ago (oh wait, there wasn't?). You can't tell them not to chop off their breasts, and you can't tell them not to engage in risky behaviour, alcohol, drugs, because they will become suicidal at the slightest notion of disapproval. What a bizzare world! If you don't believe in God then nobody is to blame. It's Darwinian adaptation. And part of that adaptation is for the children to understand that maintaining a good relationship with their family, even at some costs, may be beneficial, and for parents to be ready to engage in dialogue i/o abuse, which, I can bet my money on that, neither Jordan nor Miriam commend. Also reducing every experience to some sort of "reaction to stimulus" is bad logic, the abstraction doesn't account for the actual reality of the phenomenon so to speak. I'm a tolerant person if my children were to have an unorthodox gender identity then yes that would be shocking for me, because I can't give up my morals and beliefs just because those of the contemporary left are allegedly better. Similarly if your children, the OP, would join a bizzare religious cult. Would you be so tolerant then for the sake of logical consistency? Lesson of today: don't have any values, don't teach your kids anything (though they can learn whatever school has to teach them), don't criticise them, don't even feel bad whenever you fail at their upbringing because you can't be a victim by definition. Otherwise you're a violent, abusive maniac; there's nothing in between.

Any parent who thinks their kid's comfort and happiness comes second to their own should not be parents. I'm not sure there's a hot enough hell for people who would think that.

@anghusmorgenholz1060

Жыл бұрын

My son is 24 now. I still have trouble buying myself new things. I'll wear clothes and shoes until I probably shouldn't. You nailed it.

@Terra_Lopez

Жыл бұрын

I certainly agree with the first sentence. I presume your second sentence is metaphorical, but I don't believe in punishment for its own sake. (I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, and was severely damaged, but I don't think anyone is at fault.)

@Ellieempress

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree.

@letsomethingshine

Жыл бұрын

Plenty of parents are aloof or depressed due to children they forced to live not giving them "enough" total control, many other ANIMALS do this too (and the opposite, some animals are very loving and self-sacrificing for their kids). Do these dumb "elitist university psychologists" (like JP and that ACLU lady) not believe in "the bell curve" distribution? Does ACLU hold ZERO responsibility for their graduates not understanding psychology 101 concepts? Do psychological organizations have nothing to say about these OUTLIERS graduates/professors!?

@wtbgamegenie

Жыл бұрын

As a parent I couldn’t agree more

If a parent becomes suicidal over their child deciding to go through with transitioning, then they never valued their child as a person independent from them.

@charismahornum-fries691

Жыл бұрын

They should never have had kids if that's their states of minds.

@huntercrook7306

Жыл бұрын

Their child would be taking chemical castrating drugs and will never be able to have a child . All part of the transhumanist. Anti population

@venom-gt7rc

Жыл бұрын

Leftist armchair psychologists at it again

@weirdo82

Жыл бұрын

@@SY-qg6qn it's funny how you're in another thread, whining about people being in their own bubble, when you're here outright refusing to understand a different point of view than yours? Also known as _living in your own bubble._ And no, I'm going to call out your false equivalence right here. This isn't like "never questioning" someone's opinion or choices, we're talking about treating them like subhuman or considering them a diseases or mental illness. Respect that they have an opinion or choice as well. To conflate transgenderism with "bad choices" is a stupid take at the least, dishonesty at worst.

@weirdo82

Жыл бұрын

@@SY-qg6qn and people offered you a different point of view. Hypocrite much? And you do understand the people you are currently complaining to also watch videos and figures with different views, right? I'll give you a hint: I've probably seen more videos of and by Jordan Peterson *than you have.* What "living in your own bubble" actually means, is that you refuse to even try to understand other perspectives. Which Peterson does. He refuses to even try to understand the perspectives of people that don't follow his views. If it was just about "disagreement", then everyone in this thread that you claim is "living in a bubble" actually offers different points of view as you, and are just as "outside their bubble" as you are. We're listening to Peterson's views and voicing our disagreement.

Jordan just has to much common sense for these air heads. He's in Canada look up the laws. That guy thats commenting is full of hate

Yes, there are many reasons families become estranged. That is not a revelation nor is it a rebuttal. Furthermore, saying that "straight people can be pieces of sh*t on their own" is completely out of context. So, what's your point? What's the comparison? in the provided clip, neither of them said gender issues were the only reason for anything. In a conversation about a specific issue they are going to talk about the ramifications of that issue. Common sense is not to assume that's to the exclusion of other causes, factors etc. Furthermore, Ms. Grossman is quite obviously talking about her professional experience and observations dealing with this specific issue. By the left's own metrics those are valid. It's the left that elevates the subjective to fact. In leftist parlance this is "lived experience" and its synonym "experiential knowledge"! The fact that some states have taken a stand against trans ideology doesn't negate or disprove what happens elsewhere. The term "anti-trans bill" is your hyperbolic opinion! Many of those bills were passed to protect children from mutilation. Others protect women's sports and/or other areas reserved for women. More importantly, these bills are a reaction to the insanity that is gender ideology. These kinds of laws weren't a thing even a few years ago. The trans movement pushed the envelope to the limits and now there's a reaction. You conveniently omitted that Jordan Peterson is Canadian. He came to prominence because of Canada's specific attempt to compel pronoun speech. Canada has made legal changes that make it possible to separate children from their parents. Canada has also jailed at least one father over his objections to transitioning his daughter. And, they are continuing to persecute him after the fact. This all took place under the infamous C-16 law which proponents insisted wouldn't result in such things. Closer to home, California, which is by far the most populated state in the US is indeed seeking legislation that would allow them to trans kids without parental consent. There's even a case of a mother absconding to CA to trans her child without the father's consent. Washington state is pursuing a similar course. Beyond direct legislation, it's clear that the administrative state and schools in particular have been indoctrinating and grooming children into gender ideology. There is no other explanation for the "Gender Bread Person" or the "Gender Unicorn". Under the circumstances, I think what he said about parents fearing legal and by extension other reprisal is plenty fair. Frankly, I think Dr. Grossman is right. No one is really talking about what this does to the rest of the family. Parents create children, care for them, work their buts off to support them. Real parents know a child better than they know themselves. So, when a child claims they're something the parents know they aren't, how are they supposed to feel? According to you, they're allowed only 1 thing, blind affirmation. Of course, gender confusion is only the first step. It may very well lead to indelible changes to both their mind and body. Imagine a parent forced to watch as their child changes themselves in ways they can't possibly understand. Imaging watching your child disappear before your eyes. Imagine the struggle and pain as they fight to save their child from the influences that have hijacked them and led them astray. What's your reaction to the mere citation of this pain? Blame the parents! Sorry, that is baseless, presumptive and stupid. I'll take it a step further. What happens to siblings? When parents accept and celebrate their trans child it is often to the exclusion of another. Do you have any idea what kind of damage that does? Because I've seen it firsthand several times and it isn't pretty. It's not always perfect, but we have to assume parents know their children and know what's best for them. Kids do not know what the heck they are talking about. A child does not have agency, cannot comprehend the consequences of their actions and therefore cannot consent. Neither the state nor the gender activists have the same interest and care as the parents. Only parents can stop their children from making catastrophic decisions. Yet you speak of them as if they're monsters? Withstanding cases of negligent and/or abusive parenting (including transitioning of children) the state cannot substitute for parents. The state is a guardian of last resort. An unthinking government bureaucracy cannot emulate the familial bonds that define the parent child relationship. Neither the state nor gender activists can substitute for parents. A case of projection? "Don't say gay" is a left-wing propaganda scheme. You just reframed it. All it really says is you can't teach sexual topics before the 3rd grade. BTW I got that from the radical right-wing outlet NPR. In 2 sentences you did exactly the thing you falsely accused the other side of. No one's being led astray? The massive amount of LBGTQIA+ propaganda parallel to an unprecedented surge in children identifying as trans? Sure that's completely organic, no one is leading highly impressionable youngsters astray. There's no peer pressure, no social contagion, there's no celebratory positive reinforcement. Nothing to see here folks just kids being themselves, and dumb parents not accepting them. Are you mad? This isn't just happening it's obviously happening. You're covering for it and you are complicit in the psychological and physical torture and mutilation of a generation. "Look at what you made me do" and "narcissistic fear". Are you kidding? I don't want you messing with my kid, and I'll be perfectly happy if they grow up to be free and critical thinkers. My goal is to make my kids better than me not the same as me, dummy. I cannot believe you suggested parents are blackmailing their kids with the threat of suicide. Firstly, Ms. Grossman, never said the children were even aware of the parents mental state let alone being blackmailed. Your entire premise is based on a convenient assumption. Secondly, your assertion is the most counterfactual (and hypocritical) thing I've ever heard. The suicide narrative is the other way around. We are commonly told if we don't transition kids they'll kill commit suicide. Naive parents are often presented with the ironically binary choice of having a living daughter or a dead son. That is clear and obvious emotional blackmail promulgated by both the kids, the supposed professionals, and the entire LGBTQIA+ political apparatus. If these kids were truly suicidal they should be put under observation like anyone else. The 2 of you and many of the commenters here disgust me. You're narrow minded politically driven monsters.

@anthonygant5620

11 ай бұрын

Thank you

If you can't handle who your kids truly are then you shouldn't be a parent.

@rasheed7934

Жыл бұрын

Even if you don't like it that is still your kid.

@john.premose

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but my thing is, the guy in the studio (I can't remember his name) says "some kids are just bad kids, that's not a genetic thing". And yet he's so quick to assume that their identity is "genetic". Maybe that's also because of how they grow up and not just because they're "born that way".

@lucky14cricket56

Жыл бұрын

Is this lady trying to say a parent will commit suicide because their child might be trans?? And Jorpy responds by saying a child transitioning disrupts the family for generations to come. I had to laugh. For people that push macho libertarianism bullshit, someone being their authentic self will disrupt the family for generations to the core. If a parent is going to unalive themselves because they are that incredibly hateful, how did they make it this far in life?

@taylormade9971

Жыл бұрын

Say that to the woman who did say no but got R worded anyway

@randibgood

Жыл бұрын

​@@john.premoseThen you don't understand gender dysphoria. At all.

My kid came out to me as gay recently and my thought was the same as it would have been if they were trans, or straight or whatever... I'm just so glad they're happy, that they can experience joy in life, that they know a little bit more about who they are and therefore be content. Anyone who puts their image or ego before their child's ability to experience a single ounce of peace, love and understanding while they exist on this fucked up planet for the short time we are here, needs to look in the mirror and wonder why they care so fking much.... or little.

@fromeveryting29

Жыл бұрын

Amazing comment! Thanks for being a good person :)

@carlmarks8170

Жыл бұрын

I seriously doubt you would have the same thoughts if your child told you they were trans. Your child opening up to you about their sexuality is hardly the same thing as them telling you they were assigned the wrong gender at birth. Did you need to make enquiries about the pathway forwards for them to transition to being gay? Did they need gay-affirming medical care, or even some new clothes ? Do you now call them by a different name to the one that you gave them?

@rickyhits6547

Жыл бұрын

​@@carlmarks8170 but people like us would be open minded

@JudgeBreddUK

Жыл бұрын

My daughter is bisexual and I couldn't give a shit as long as she's happy, I can't imagine reacting negatively to your kids being something you're not

@405DC

Жыл бұрын

​@@carlmarks8170 I would. I love my child unconditionally and would support them 100%. When you come close to death like I have it kinda puts things into perspective. Just my 2 cents.

parents that don't accept their trans kids don't kill themselves, ever, they kick their kids out, that's why there are so many homeless trans kids.

@antithoughtpolice7497

Жыл бұрын

I was someone who's parents let me socially transition. But I was verbally abusive because I couldn't get hormone blockers, I threw tantrums, had to go to asylum twice, hated my body and constantly hurt it. That was 15-17 for me. My parents were nothing but supportive. I was literally being a demon child. They didn't deserve that. And my older sister called me for advice for her friend that are parents, with their daughter going through what I went through, and she just changed her mind... There's a lot LGBT youth that also wants tokenism with non supportive parents. Believe me, I know this. My parents were good people.

@georgeanthony4834

Жыл бұрын

NNOO the trans kids rject the parents mostly because of soc med innfluencers

@filipv2167

Жыл бұрын

@@georgeanthony4834 bullshit

Blaming suicidality of the parent on the kid.

@InservioLetum

4 күн бұрын

Incorrect. Blaming suicidality of the entire Reimer family, on the narcissistic monster that caused it to wakefield himself into fame and fortune, namely Dr. John Money

There really grown ass humans out there saying, "I'm going to off myself because my kid is being who they are and not who I want them to be"???????

@amberinthemist7912

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. It was a regular threat by my mom. It's pretty standard with narcs or bpd.

I was skeptical of jorpson years ago and boy was that skepticism well placed. Some more news really eviscerated him

@heytheyby

Жыл бұрын

Jorpson! Love it! I call him Jorpy Jomp, but Jorpson is amazing.

@99nej

Жыл бұрын

yeah cody did a Fantastic job

@davespanksalot8413

Жыл бұрын

Cody Johntson is just a shill and a puppet for big Warmbo...

@chris__10

Жыл бұрын

These days, he's looking like a confused monstrosity

@nemesisurvivorleon

Жыл бұрын

Some More News is amazing

The real problem for parents is how society treats them.

Peterson is talking about a case in Canada where the father did receive jail time during a court dispute over his child receiving gender affirming care. It was not because he dared to oppose the care. It was because he repeatedly violated a publication ban that was put in place to protect the child's identity.

I've been pointing out for over a year now that in order for Peterson to keep getting clicks, he needs to keep getting more and more extreme, or his fans will get bored. Just look at his trajectory over the last couple of years.

@cameronmcgehee

Жыл бұрын

I mean, I'm largely a fan of him based on his original book, Maps of Meaning in 1999, and his other books are great as well, but I would agree he is getting more and more conservative on KZread, especially after signing on with the Daily Wire. I agree with a lot of the things said in this episode, (I am in favor of banning puberty blockers/hormone therapy for anyone under 18 and don't think there is any sane reason to allow that) but I would again agree that his channel is so political that even I, a longtime follower of him, am getting a little annoyed with the obvious political party line he's advertising to (straying from the informative psychology talks like he used to do). I suggest to anybody critical of Jordan to watch his original phycology lectures, read his first book, and just note how much he has changed. Sure, he has been taken over by politics recently, but his roots are very informative and he is a very smart person. There is a lot to be learned from this incredible person's original work.

When you have MD after your name you can comment. No more child mutilation.

@TheMarsCydonia

11 ай бұрын

When you don't support conversion therapy as Peterson and Grossman does, then you can comment. No more child abuse.

@jas8581

11 ай бұрын

@@TheMarsCydonia over 70% of America agrees with me.

@TheMarsCydonia

11 ай бұрын

@@jas8581 Agree with you on what? That dissenting opinion from conversion therapy supporters should be silenced? Sure, whatever you need to tell yourself.

@JadeDarby

2 ай бұрын

Exactly right, these two are doctors, they are brilliant and wise, never have they uttered a word of racism or anything else that the left seems to accuse them of

@BritneyStinson

Ай бұрын

@@jas8581was that survey taken on a website that uses the phrase cross sex hormones? bc if you go to a Dallas cowboys game in Dallas, you’ll find lots of cowboys fans, but that don’t mean the rest of the country likes those hosers smh

Stopped right after bad wig started talking. "No one wants to see a child commit suicide, but..." has a lot the same flavor as "I'm not a racist, but..." Ok, go on.

As a recovering addict I can tell you Jordan..Mr.moral judge is still a benzo junky.I can see he is still using benzos to get through life...not his rules nor books.

@AwesometownUSA

Жыл бұрын

100%! im 5+ years clean but used to do alllll the drugs, and yeah JP has clearly been vibing again lately haha

@pllpsy665

Жыл бұрын

My theory was that it was brain damage due to the abuse and the insane procedure he used to get rid of them but I am beginning to think it's both that and him going back to them.

@generationofswine-ge5rw

Жыл бұрын

I agree. People develop a tolerance and dependence on benzodiazepines very quickly and if you are someone who has been addicted to them for decades like Peterson the amount you would be taking would be gargantuan. His rapid detox which he used to try to fix his addiction without having to do any work or go to treatment didn't work, because it doesn't work and that's why it is not allowed in almost every country besides Russia. Taking life advice and looking up to an active valium addict because he promises that fascism will lead to legal rape, and maybe even, a sex slave provided to men by the gov't. Sounds about alt. right doesn't it?

@K.Tourigny-uk4xf

Жыл бұрын

@@generationofswine-ge5rw I uses benzos to help me get off of opiates..lol...and the benzo withdrawel was a MONSTER .A full month of suicidal hell.The entire time one takes benzos..the brain stops producing all of the chemicals that make us feel good..human..coping chemicals.Trying to quit cold Turkey after years of abuse must have been actual hell.Cold Turkey in RUSSIA..lol. Being that he was having seizures for a month feeling suicidal..the world being BLACK for a month waiting for his brains production of dopamines ..seratonins and endorphins..well..he did not pull it off.None of his self help rules helped either..He is still a junky projecting his self hatred towards others...most likely he is picking on the ones that attract him the most. You decide from what he is misdirecting as hardline conservatives do when hiding their own ghosts.

A good example of 'confused monstrosity": Jordan Peterson. By the way, as someone who did really studied psychology I can tell you this guy is a dilettante.

@AwesometownUSA

Жыл бұрын

yep, JP has total “I just discovered jung when I was 19, read like maybe 1/3 of his work, and just stuck with that for my entire clinical career” vibes

@sheezle3

Жыл бұрын

Yep, he's been annihilated by psychologists, theologians etc. Basically every serious intellectual is laughing at him. But his followers are even dumber than him, so it doesn't matter...

@leparfumdugrosboss4216

Жыл бұрын

What's alarming is that in spite of this he still managed to have a solid career in academia, with tenure, publications and everything. Of course said career probably wasn't as good as it looks considering his recent professional reorientation... 🙄

@tschorsch

Жыл бұрын

@@leparfumdugrosboss4216 there are mediocre people in every profession. Getting published is not that hard. Some academics are truly creative and forge new territory, and some of them just play the game that makes them look like they're doing something.

@weirdo82

Жыл бұрын

​​@@leparfumdugrosboss4216 Some More News briefly goes into it, but they talk about his time as a tenured professor, and his students would often talk about how "preachy" he'd get. When his mentor found out about it, he sat in on one of his lectures, and was outright dumbfounded at what he was saying. Peterson's time teaching was done shortly after that. Recently(early this year I think?) the university he came from revoked his degree or license, and he went on a whole spiel about the left targeting him for it, as opposed to just being agressively wrong and damaging to the university's image. In short, he's the peak of conservative pseudo-intellectual thought. The final stage of a Shapiro type persona: lie agressively, pretend you're the "academic" despite going against even the minimum of academic knowledge, be so vague and inconsistent that the far right gets the dog whistles and you can mock the "left" for seeing past them as "cancel culture", and proselytize your biases and political stances.

Please watch the entire video. Grossman talks about the entire John Money story and how the parents did everything to support the child. The parents thought John Money was God sent. In fact the transitioned kids considered the conversion a massive failure while Money and Medical Industry were celebrating fake success. You guys have no clue and that's the typical anti JP reaction. Contextless reaction videos.

@TheMarsCydonia

Жыл бұрын

The John Money story is very interesting... As it destroy's Peterson's baseless fearmongering narrative.

@Donkeykong80

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMarsCydonia how?

@antithoughtpolice7497

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@TheMarsCydonia Jazz Jennings, who I've never seen mentioned on by Peterson... I followed her closely since she was 11, I watched an episode of Degrassi when Adam was on there. I hated my body A LOT as a teenager, and they gave me the idea that could help me. It didn't. I socially transitioned in high school,while I was glad I got it out of my system, I could of gotten hormone therapy if my parents didn't actually care about me and just wanted me to shut up. Jazz Jennings was one of the first kid transitioners. She got blockers and hormones... She has the same doctor the whole time. The doctor recommended and pushed Jazz to get bottom surgery. On her undeveloped penis... She didn't enough skin to work with it got botched. It's why Jazz is extremely fat now: she's extremely depressed. 70% of trans youth change their minds when they're adults. It's not baseless. This is literally child abuse. Even trans kids that DON'T change their minds may want kids of their own or to experience sex when they're older. You can't do that with blockers.

@TheMarsCydonia

Жыл бұрын

@@antithoughtpolice7497 Your comment failed to address mine. Then, if what you claim about Jennings was true (the line "she's fat now because she's literally depressed about it" makes it less than likely as she never stated any regrets about her transitioning), it would still be one person. But you didn't provide a citation. Nor did you include one for your claim that "over half trans kids change their minds when they're adults, whether they got hormones or not" Particularly, a citation that over half of teenagers who medically transition change their minds once adults.

@dmob881

Жыл бұрын

@@antithoughtpolice7497 See the RESEARCH I have shared with you before: 'Gender Identity 5 Years After Social Transition "Results: We found that an average of 5 years after their initial social transition, 7.3% of youth had retransitioned at least once. At the end of this period, most youth identified as binary transgender youth (94%), including 1.3% who retransitioned to another identity before returning to their binary transgender identity. A total of 2.5% of youth identified as cisgender and 3.5% as nonbinary. Later cisgender identities were more common among youth whose initial social transition occurred before age 6 years; their retransitions often occurred before age 10 years. Conclusions These results suggest that retransitions are infrequent. More commonly, transgender youth who socially transitioned at early ages continued to identify that way. Nonetheless, understanding retransitions is crucial for clinicians and families to help make retransitions as smooth as possible for youth."'

This is the outline for every parent with BPD's reaction to their teen developing independent agency. "You're killing your mother!!"

Peterson appears to have aged 400 years during the last few months. What goes around comes around.

Oh my God I feel awful for any person who sees this monster as a patient! She should lose her license to practice, if it hasn't already been stripped

@mylittlekittens

Жыл бұрын

He claims to have counseled females sex assault victims.

@arcadiaberger9204

Жыл бұрын

My guess is, she already lost her clientele due to word of mouth about what an incompetent she is, and that's why she makes her money going on shows like JP's.

@Gerwi545

Жыл бұрын

If she is working at a university, she wouldn't have clients. More likely, she is a researcher and although we too can be licenced/registered to practice pyschology, this is not a requirement to teach it although experience in the "real world" is important. One can also have a doctorate in Psychology and not be registered/licenced to practice. These individuals tend to stay in academia and research. It is disheartening to see another researcher generalize these highly complex issues but it would be more prudent to listen to her entire argument before making an assessment of her expertise.

@m0L3ify

Жыл бұрын

There are a ton of psychologists who gatekeep trans people. It's been a problem for eons. They are the ones that hold the key to transition because going to therapy is a requirement before starting hormones and you often have to get letters from shrinks in order to do things like change the gender on your license or get any kind of gender-affirming treatment from a medical doctor. They can literally make or break you and they know it.

@progressivedragon6664

Жыл бұрын

Just checked into it more, looks like this monster has been grifting on this issue for decades literally decades… Her entire career has been built around this topic! Well that and telling women they shouldn't have sex and other fundamental religious nonsense… (Yep she's a Hasidic Jew... fundamentalists are gonna fundamentalist )

"Confused monstrosity"? Look in the mirror, Peterson.

Lady looks like a dollar store Betsy DeVoss.

Did I really just hear her say "well what about the parents' suicide rate?" I've heard some deranged talking points from the Right about this, but holy shit.

@john.premose

Жыл бұрын

Well, I can kind of see where she was going there, because this is an extremely big impactful decision and people are part of social groups and they are affected by what they do. If you always related to someone in a certain way and then they radically change that, that is going to have a very big impact on your relationship.

@abimelech3636

Жыл бұрын

@@john.premose Of course that is going to impact your relationships, but the damage to relationships she mentions is caused by parents not being accepting of their trans children and not respecting their choices. It's victim blaming through-and-through. And just the redirection to a non-existent trans parent suicide rate is just absurd on its face.

@pllpsy665

Жыл бұрын

They were losing their minds about the people supposedly becoming suicidal because they were recommended to stay at home for 2 weeks. The fragility expressed by these fuckwits is infinite.

@john.premose

Жыл бұрын

@@abimelech3636 not necessarily. You don’t know that. Why do you assume that all kids who want to transition are just perfect angels who can do no wrong? So they are just always right just because they want to do it? That’s irrational to me. It’s just as likely that they are bad as that the parents are.

@abimelech3636

Жыл бұрын

@@john.premose That's not what I said. She is claiming that transitioning causes damage to relationships with their parents. the only reason transitioning would "cause" this is if the parents are not accepting and respectful of their child's identity.

Jordan peterson again not understanding how parents love their child. His poor daughter, no wonder she dated andrew tate.

@123mneil

Жыл бұрын

She dated Andrew Tate?

I wish both sides of these arguments would talk like adults when they disagree. All these things just become heated arguments and it just becomes an opinion power struggle. It’s so silly.

The assault on reality by T activists is amazing

She looks like Jordan in drag.

Kinda implying it's better to have the kid commit suicide than have a trans kid.... Absolutely wild

@tysonasaurus6392

Жыл бұрын

You could say he is embodying the archetype of the tyrannical parent consuming their own children to avoid their inevitable demise, like that of Kronos

@kristenmarie9248

Жыл бұрын

41% of trans commit suicide. AFTER transitioning.

@wiselioness322

Жыл бұрын

This is what they want. These people are genocidal, they want trans kids to either stop being trans or die.

1. She wasn't talking about kids who grow up to be pieces of shit. She's talking about the divide between parents and kids that may permanently ruin their relationship over a disagreement involving the trans issue. 2. Parents have had their children taken away from them over a disagreement about whether their child is truly trans. This is partially why legislation barring surgical and hormonal intervention is being proposed and passed in many places. The issue is about whether that level of transition is the right course of action, and more importantly whether or not a child can even consent to that decision at such a young age given the ramifications of such a decision. The legislation is not about hating trans people or taking away their rights. 3. The "Don't Say Gay" bill did not bar a teacher from saying that they had a husband or wife. It barred any classroom instruction in K - 3rd grade about gender identity or sexuality, or from any classroom instruction that is not age appropriate. You might notice that doesn't stop a gay teacher from mentioning their husband to their students. 4. Parent's aren't concerned about their children not being exactly like them. They are worried about state overreach, and public employees, deciding they know how better to raise the parent's children than do the parent's themselves. Schools are public institutions that should answer to the public. Parental rights are about being able to raise one's children as one sees fit, outside of abuse in some form. 5. It is completely possible that the higher rates of suicidal ideation and homelessness we see in trans people have more to do with the mental illnesses such as depression, anxiety, addiction, etc. that we often see go hand-in-hand with gender dysphoria. It is by no means demonstrable in any way that evil parents or societal bullying is the main driver of suicidal ideation and homelessness in the trans community, though they almost certainly play some role. 6. She simply pointed out that she's met parents who become suicidal over the loss of their child due to not agreeing that they are trans. Which is a perfectly valid fear with a child. Many people who transition end up de-transitioning. It's not as if a parent is wrong for wondering about whether or not their child is truly transgender. What she did not say was that all parents are going to become suicidal when hearing their kids might be trans. 7. You guys really suck at this sort of thing.

Some of this take is disingenuous, ad hominem, and projection. Same as what they would say about Peterson... Didn't hear David Reimers name come up once.

I saw the thumbnail and thought "oh look, a female version of jordan peterson." And then i heard her speak and all suspensions were confirmed.🤣

@brentwalker8596

Жыл бұрын

What's up with that hair ?

@cathyosbourne6986

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was AI drag.

@nemesisurvivorleon

Жыл бұрын

Ah so we got a glimpse at Peterson after transition

@nickimacme

Жыл бұрын

I thought she was Betsy Devos in the thumbnail so was expecting a dumb take, just not THIS dumb AND destructive. Xx

@nosender2399

Жыл бұрын

​@@cathyosbourne6986 I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I really thought it was some weird thought experiment he was exposing us all to

I consider myself to be relatively strong minded as a trans person, and I know the general public either doesn’t care about or at the very least just thinks trans people are kinda weird. But it’s disheartening to constantly hear this vitriol being portrayed under the guise of intellectual, scientific “caring” conversation. Cause people who believe this stuff DO indeed exist, and it does feel kinda scary knowing they are out there when I leave the house

@MichaelDeHaven

Жыл бұрын

That clip was just hatred trying to pretend it's the compassionate one. Basic gaslighting.

@randibgood

Жыл бұрын

I'm truly sorry you are made to feel thatvway when leaving your house. On top of all the other bat shit crazy, gun-humping, regular hate-filled republiCONS, we ALL have to worry about, the minority you belong to is being made the target of their twisted rhetoric and I am very scared of what may come of all of this unfounded targeting. Please stay safe and believe that there are more out in the world that support you than there are of those close-minded bigots. ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🌈✌🏼

@wiselioness322

Жыл бұрын

Transphobes know that overt hatred tends to repel most people, so they obfuscate. It’s a common fascist tactic, and it’s especially effective on centrists and liberals, and even some leftists get fooled.

@john.premose

Жыл бұрын

I agree, and I'm not somebody who's particularly thrilled about the whole movement. But I also don't think JP and that woman really care. They are just exploiting it for political reasons to pander to their audience of rightwingers

@tonyortiz1890

Жыл бұрын

Well done, be who you are, and be happy my friend.

People are so brainwashed on this channel its scary 😢

What do you say to the detransitioners that are permantly damage, and blame the adults for allowing a them to make such a life altering decision. There is a lot on influence and social pressure that kids do things they dont want to in order to try to just fit in. When Sam gets the emotions rattled up, it dampens logic and reason, which is bad for decision making. I wish this channel would stop showing up on my account.

The MR crew sitting over here being real allies. Hella based. 💕💕 To you all.

@sinsincere5748

Жыл бұрын

✊🏾

If a parent is sharing publicly that their child is making them suicidal, they have failed as a parent. No joke. That is beyond oversharing or even "parentifying" your children. It's just abusive. This trend of narcissistic parents of trans children using the news to air their feelings about their child's transition is disgusting. You can work your shit out with the help of a therapist, not your minor child and a fucking podium.

@danielv.5988

10 ай бұрын

What about kids who shame their parents on social media etc. i/o of coping by themselves?

What is a women

What the hell does the kid going to visit or going to their family wedding has to do with anything? This all depends on how the family treats the kid. If they chase them away, of course they won't come and will be estranged, if they treat them right, they will have a good relation.

Attacked emotionally and financially by parents and siblings, amongst others, for 30 years because I'm not hetero. Gave up on attempting to reason with them long ago. Bigots gonna bigot. Love, respect & allyship to all our trans bothers and sisters.

@christinebenson518

Жыл бұрын

I've been used financially for years by both parents. Right before our mom died her ex demanded her sisters buy us a new furnace and water heater. They refused because I'm not employed, but my younger brother has a full time job with benefits. It would have cost them $7,400, which considering they spent over $450,000 on their houses the last two years it's nothing. My mom made my brother and I promise to give her ex $25,000 after she died. After mom died her sisters offered to pay for half of our mom's burial if we'd talk to them. One sister offered $1,000 for our grandparents wedding china if "we're strapped for cash". The lawyer said we don't owe mom's ex anything. When he was told he said we get all this money. Our house needs a ton of repairs and we probably won't be able to keep it because mom screwed things up. Her room is honestly a pile of garbage we're still attempting to get through. About 7 years ago mom traded grandma's pearls (that she knew I wanted) with her sister for some of grandma's diamond jewelry. I've yet to come across any of the diamonds, I'm positive she sold them. For years mom made comments about my weight, despite her eating far worse than me and her also being fat. She'd tell me I'll never get married and have kids, knowing that's what I always wanted. She'd mock my choices in life. I don't have friends now and I don't want any since they all end up mocking me eventually...to my face. I can make jokes about my weight or lack of spelling ability, but some things shouldn't be made into jokes. If I ever find someone willing to be with me, I know I'll probably put up with the same crap because that's all I know.

@andyking7949

Жыл бұрын

@@christinebenson518 I've never met you. And I totally love you for sharing ❤️

Ironic, considering I saw the thumbnail and thought Jordan Peterson dressed in drag and did an interview skit with himself.

@rileyfuckingrifle

Жыл бұрын

😂

4:50 "that is completely counter-factual" There are actually some cases of this happening, not 0. And not only that, that's the route we are moving towards, (or would be going towards if there wasn't any pushback). because the reality is, people on your side are 100% for this, to the extent of categorizing any pushback as "conversion therapy". because you seem to be a bit slow i will lay it out for you: It is not that they care that their parents are suffering because their kids are being their real selves. Is that the parents are suffering because their kids are being dragged in to an idiotic ideology based on fake compassion and 100% narcissism

@antithoughtpolice7497

Жыл бұрын

Jazz Jennings for example. I highly doubt he parents wanted clout, I fully believe it was their doctor.

"Are they going to visit me in the hospital?" Depends. Did you treat them badly enough that they had to cut ties with you?

Soo... We are NOT going to talk about parents handing down their suppressed mental traumas and the confusion coming with it through day-to day-interaction to their children?

Jordan Peterson is the most uptight person I've ever seen, idolizes himself, and loves hearing himself speak. Almost as if he protest too much.

@TheDivayenta

Жыл бұрын

Textbook narcissist.

@armondtanz

Жыл бұрын

You literally described EVERY youtuber????

@bak6194

Жыл бұрын

Most people's brains don't fully quit growing until they are about 28. I'm just going to take well guess and say that y'all are stuck in your teens yet

@TheDivayenta

Жыл бұрын

And one hell of a mansplainer!!!!!!

@susansantini2968

Жыл бұрын

@@bak6194 62 dear. Had the blessings of being married to an awesome man for 38 years and miss him everyday. Have his 3 amazing children and 4 grandkids between them o keep me company and grounded. I've seen A Lot in this magnificent world and JP just an ass.

Where’s the study showing these terrible parents who don’t want their children to live their best happiest lives? My nephews trans, he is alive today because he was able to transition. He had the full support of the family (even his Uber Christian parents) because we love him and wanted him alive. I was one of the first people he told last year when he got engaged at 26! Are there some people who regret transitioning yes, their stories should be studied too. But those studies shouldn’t dictate everyone’s storyline.

No hate involved. You are wrong, words aren't violent.

Whether you frame it as selfish parents or insecure bathroom users, it's the same argument as ever: you can't be who you are because I don't like it.

@davidbright6790

Жыл бұрын

The "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd sure do have a lot of feelings...

@CynAnne1

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidbright6790 - For being the ones that hurl the word 'snowflake' around with such 'bigly' abandon, they certainly seem...'sensitive', don't they?

@michaeltorris5675

Жыл бұрын

Exactly this. They are saying these things without explaining the underlying assumption, which is that the parents who don’t want their children to receive gender affirming care are right to do so.

@fergalcussen

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. It's part of growing up and not being an entitled spoiled brat.

@ainnochaim9450

Жыл бұрын

This entire debacle is about belief and FEELINGS. Men FEEL like women. Men FEEL unsafe in bathrooms with other men. Men FEEL like they are entitled to women's spaces. I don't FEEL like a woman. It is my material reality. You people want to allow men to invade women's spaces, sports, and prisons because these men FEEL as though it is true. Without FEELINGS what do these people have for evidence?

What a sad channel this is... respect to both of these TRUE doctors who value facts and medicine... not feelings

"I oppose discrimination against gender identity and gender expression." -- Jordan Peterson, the Senate Public Consultation on Bill C-16 May 2017. Would Jordan Peterson have referred to trans people as 'confused monstrosities' at the Senate six years ago? I think not. People need to be aware of how his rhetoric - his invective - has developed over the years. What started with issues voiced as political objections to common courtesies and non-binary people, has evolved into emotive verbal attacks on all trans people... for merely existing. This is NOT good. Not good at all.

If JP thinks trans people are mostly "confused monstrosities" than he would think that about a trans patient. Who does he still have his license?

@peztopher7297

Жыл бұрын

I think he doesn't. I heard that on a progressive channel. Was it here on TMR? I think he was censured by other psychologists in Canada?

*Research psychologist here...* I can't find one single study looking at suicide rates among parents of transgender youth. Not one. I'm not saying the rate is higher or lower than the general population; I'm saying there is literally no evidence either way (at least not that I can find in PsychINFO, Medline, etc.). Meanwhile there are at least 8 peer-reviewed studies on suicidality among transgender youth. So what these two are discussing is complete speculation, based on anecdotes (?), for the purpose of advancing their ideological views, plain and simple.

@nsbd90now

Жыл бұрын

Retired from the field. I flat-out don't believe what she is saying about suicidal parents.

@wiselioness322

Жыл бұрын

These people want trans kids to commit suicide, never forget that.

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

Sounds about right for Peterson... "If one looks at the data, one will find that hospitals do more harm than good. Hospitals are the leading cause of death." - Mr. Peterson

@Aarenby

Жыл бұрын

​@@nsbd90now it's probably like 1 parent of a trans kid unalvied them self and they are adding the window dressing.

@nsbd90now

Жыл бұрын

@@aralornwolf3140 Yeah, it's called "nosocomial infections" and his take on it just validates how he is totally lacking of any substance and behaves on the level of an adolescent. I was a Certified Sterile Technician for a while. I actually have actual education and experience in that topic and on that issue.

Leave children alone.

@JadeDarby

2 ай бұрын

Thank you ❤️

She's not a psychologist she's a psychiatrist. I don't think that statement was an acident.

A trained psychologist [Edit: psychiatrist] and from the moment she opens her mouth nothing but a stream of correlation fallacy.

@edricaldones9639

Жыл бұрын

Psychology and statistics often don't work well together.

@puckerings

Жыл бұрын

Psychiatrist, not psychologist.

@douglascutler1037

Жыл бұрын

@@puckerings Thanks for correction. Still correlation fallacy. Example, people may become estranged from their families for a wide assortment of reasons. Meanwhile, LGBTQ frequently remain on excellent terms with their families. We ave an instance in our own family.

@Grim_Beard

Жыл бұрын

@@edricaldones9639 You're exactly wrong. Psychologists learn statistics as a core part of our training. Which means that Jordan 'Kermit the Fraud' Peterson has no excuse - he knows better, and is intentionally dishonest.

@michaeltorris5675

Жыл бұрын

I’m amazed that both she and Peterson can have PhDs in psychology and no nothing about statistics or data analysis.

If a parent has those feelings because of who thier child is, it's not on the child to change who they are to help their parent. That parent need professional help to come to terms with their child's identity and love them as they should, they need therapy.

@robwalker3417

Жыл бұрын

'It is not on the child to change who they are'. Are they not changing who they are by transitioning or even pre transition? When did children become autonomous individuals? Should they be able to, say, have sex or take drugs? If not why not? if you cannot empathise with a parent whose child clearly has mental health issues and wants to mutilate themselves, then why should the parents have empathy for a child's fantasies? This whole issue is bonkers. if a child refuses to abide by the sensible rules of their parents then they should most definitely make their own path in the big bad world.

@Rykojames

6 ай бұрын

I don't think any amount of therapy is going to stop a parent from acting on their deepest parental instincts to protect their children.

@jvssocialmedia2459

4 ай бұрын

A child is in a stage of development. You are not born with an identity. Letting a phase run its course without affirming gender ideology beliefs is responsible.

Grossman spits facts. Love it!

If a parent is suicidal because their child is trans, that just shows that Americans need greater access to mental health care no matter what their gender.

Meriam Groosman presents a very reasonable agrgument againt fast tracking so many children into hormones and surgery. She s nit transphobic but rather she doesn't want chikdren who are not truly transgender to become lifetime medical patients for no goid reason .

@TheMarsCydonia

10 ай бұрын

I have a hard time believing that supporters of conversion therapy are not transphobic even if they claim they're only worried that less than 0,0000002% of minors are being fast-tracked.

He's becoming a sith right before our eyes.

@josephimperatrice5552

Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson is one of the worst things to ever come out of Canada. Jordan Peterson is to Canada like what Rupert Murdoch is to Australia and Elon Musk is to South Africa.

One of my brother's kids is transgender. Just from my own experience, I can safely say that it hasn't "destroyed" the family one bit. Bigotry is the real destroyer of families.

Have you heard about detransitioners, their regrests and how much they suffer? Some of them can't have sex. They miss their genitals.

@TheMarsCydonia

Жыл бұрын

They've heard. Less than 1%.

@Vekikev1

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMarsCydonia It's gonna be a bigger percent in a few years mate. Your lobby won't be able to hide the growing numbers.

@TheMarsCydonia

Жыл бұрын

@@Vekikev1 How much? 2%, 3%? What will be the loto numbers?

@antithoughtpolice7497

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheMarsCydonia 70% of trans youth change their mind, and they're completely allowed to let it be a phase.

@TheMarsCydonia

Жыл бұрын

​@@antithoughtpolice7497 So you're obviously not talking about teenagers who medically transition. Still, citation needed.

I'm trans. I took care of my mom for 13 years through her decline. She loved me to the end I doubt Matt walsh will do the same for his mom

@urenag1

Жыл бұрын

Actually, Matt Walsh is very close with his large and wonderful family!

This is a tale as old as time... So JBP should be fully aware of it since he's so fascinated by archetypes. As the parent of a trans child (speaking from the perspective of a child raised in the Mormon church) when children discover and express their own TRUE personality/ identity, if it doesn't meet the expectations of bigoted and judgemental parents who then shun their children, then it's not inexplicable that the child (now an adult) won't take care of you in your elderly years or come to family get togethers, or even want to talk to you. I was utterly rejected when my family found out that I didn't believe in the LDS religion. So, I ran away from home at 15 for a few years. It was not good for my mother's mental health but it did wonders for me and my mental health and allowed me to find myself fully. It was far from ideal but it was better in the long run for everybody that I wasn't forced to live a lie! My children will never know that experience because my ego isn't inflated to the point that my children HAVE to be the people that I DEMAND they be... They just have to be themselves! Why? Because I love THEM for who they are!

@peetstf6654

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but no. Being who you are is not the same as choosing your sex. Some things are just to be accepted. You are a male or you are a female. Ask your cells - are they XX or XY?

@CaptPeon

Жыл бұрын

@@peetstf6654 wow, buddy. You're understanding of biology clearly didn't extend beyond high school. Sexuality is far more complicated than chromosomes and is not a binary. Not to mention the distinction between biology, physiology, and social constructs.

@peetstf6654

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptPeon Wow buddy. 'Choosing your sex' can't be done and isn't more complicated than basic biology. I assume you can't quite get your head around that. How you feel about your sex doesn't interfere with what sex you are. It interferes with your perception of your sex. But hey, your great effort to sound well educated falls on deaf ears son.

@CaptPeon

Жыл бұрын

@@peetstf6654 do you know why I sound well educated? Because I am. You clearly didn't understand anything I said... Which implies that you are not.

@peetstf6654

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptPeon I really, really doubt that.

Hopefully the Ontario Psychology Association will cancel Peterson's license soon. He is such a disgrace to professionalism. Psychologists are a dime a dozen at the best of times.

"Some of the parents are suicidal." My brother in Christ, it was you who destroyed your relationship with your child for the utter vanity of "spiritual comfort."

I’m a psychotherapist. All my clients have shitty parents. Without exception.

"This issue, this particular ordeal with their child, seeing their child slip away, and become someone unrecognizable both in terms of their personality and their physical persona..." Wow, what a bunch of rambling nothing. I got a secret for ya, grandma, if I were able to go on puberty blockers and transition young, I wouldn't have spent decades drunk and self harming, unable to work. I was a happy, smart, feminine kid, and puberty ruined my body and destroyed my spirit. I became an empty shell of a person. I had no personality besides getting drunk, chain smoking, and saying offensive crap that I tried to pass off as "jokes". Because I wasn't allowed to be the real me anymore. I did change once I transitioned; I went back to the hopeful, fun loving person I was pre-puberty. I seriously cut down on the drinking, I quit smoking over a year ago, I actually take care of myself. Once I get my legal name and gender marker fixed, I'm gonna try getting work again. That's what you conservatives want, right? People to work, and pay into your crooked system? Well, I might actually be able to now, and have a "normal" life, now that I'm not spending every second of every day, making sure I mask and pretend to be someone I'm not. I never felt like a man. Never wanted to live as a man. Masculinized so little at puberty that I never really passed for a man. I'm a woman. That's who the hell I am. And for your information, my transition didn't make my mom suicidial. She doesn't morn the old me, cause I was never happy after puberty. She's glad I'm back to who I was as a kid, before puberty derailed my life. She's proud of me. And I was born in 86. Nobody "influenced" me to be trans (that's not how that works, anyway). If anything, I had every incentive NOT to transition. Punished my entire life for being remotely feminine. So stfu, Jordon.