Society: "rape is bad." Peterson: "well hang on, let's think about that for a second."

@Adam-nw1vy

Жыл бұрын

"It's not obvious to me that that is case" in JP voice.

@donnievance1942

Жыл бұрын

"It's kawmplicated."

@thane732

Жыл бұрын

if society is the one saying rape is bad, how does it make sense to also believe society has a rape problem?

@Argumemnon

Жыл бұрын

"I don't call it rape. I call it the pushing game."

@joostdriesens3984

Жыл бұрын

"Hypothetically, bad could also mean, among other things, good, which I find fascinating." - JP

Jordan Peterson is a perfect demonstration of why feminism remains relevant.

@austinrichards5643

Жыл бұрын

I feel like it's become even more relevant now because conservatives are saying the quiet part out loud now and being openly misogynistic... And of course pushing to take away freedoms like access to healthcare that were fought for before. We're literally going backwards, and we need feminism to push back

@beans1557

Жыл бұрын

And why it needs to be deliberately pushed on people all the more. There aren’t feminists and normal people, there are normal people and anti-feminists.

@x-marks-x5137

Жыл бұрын

@@austinrichards5643everyone needs to push back, not just females!

@andywomack3414

Жыл бұрын

Not just feminism, but rational thought and honest rhetoric as well. He takes simple concepts and lards them up with almost meaningless mambo-jumbo.

@arcadiaberger9204

Жыл бұрын

@@x-marks-x5137 I'm grateful to see how many men are unapologetically identifying as feminists these days.

The notion that saying No is enough to prevent rape is laughable

@Sceusell

11 ай бұрын

Getting mugged? Just say no! A thief can not legally take your possessions without consent!

@rsr789

10 ай бұрын

And now we know how you were conceived.

@juvenilia_in_hell

9 ай бұрын

​@@rsr789epic win dude

@stephenrioux6821

8 ай бұрын

@@juvenilia_in_hellTake it to your beer drinking friends.

@edvinparmeza1298

5 ай бұрын

Imagine Ukrainians how dumb they must feel, they could have just said No to Putin, and Russia would never start the war

Dude's crying about getting cancelled then proceeds to be unquestionably worthy of it.

@sphtpfhorbrains3592

10 ай бұрын

You would cry if you were to be cancelled for something.

@gracieb.3054

10 ай бұрын

@@sphtpfhorbrains3592 I don't give a crap if someone is upset they're "cancelled" for something objectively offensive they did.

@sphtpfhorbrains3592

10 ай бұрын

@@gracieb.3054 "Objectively offensive" - are you for real? What is offensive to one person, is not necessarily offensive to another. Therefore, when offense is taken, it is purely subjective. Very telling when someone will support cancel culture and determine that their view of what's offensive should be applied universally. Very authoritarian and dangerous.

@user-cl6uj5bn2f

10 ай бұрын

💯👏 edit: this comment is in agreement with the original poster

@user-cl6uj5bn2f

10 ай бұрын

​@@sphtpfhorbrains3592So would you say child trafficking is objectively offensive, or is it ok if not everyone thinks so? Moral relativism is also dangerous. Also, is your username supposed to look as though it says "shit for brains? Just curious.

"This is all very complicated..." No Peterson, it really isn't.

@Terra_Lopez

Жыл бұрын

Well said! It's complicated for him, perhaps, because he can't simply empathise and have compassion, and truly put himself in someone's shoes. It has to be about him, or conceptual extensions of him, for it to make sense to him, it seems. Maybe...? I'm not sure. Any thoughts?

@WendyWatersctmm

Жыл бұрын

@@Terra_Lopez you nailed it! The sun rises and sets in Peterson's arse.

@JasonGiaccone

Жыл бұрын

What a weasel phrase.

@justanothernick3984

Жыл бұрын

@@Terra_Lopez He has always had this position, even in the women in workplace/makeup interview, he doesn't understand consent. According to him; "we don't know where the boundaries are". One example, staring. If someone thinks your behavior is inappropriate and asks you to stop, it's enough. Same with personal space. None of these need any amount of physical touch, still there is a form of consent needed to engage in those behaviors. Then like with any legal issues, the processing can be really difficult but that's also the case in sexual violence. He seems to want there to be an objective rule and to be the arbiter of said rule. Sh!t, he has 24 already.

@quietnightthought1478

Жыл бұрын

@@justanothernick3984 ​ He doesn't understand what the boundaries are.. I'm not even kidding. He has a pattern even in his practice of running into trouble with female clients, it seems like he just has a complete inability to understand women.

He thinks rape should only be a crime, if it pisses off Men who "care about the Woman"?? Wtf?

@LinkRocks

Жыл бұрын

Yep, all conservatives think that.

@leahsander5490

Жыл бұрын

And they only care about the woman apparently when they've got property rights on her!

@arsefff

Жыл бұрын

I guess "general empathy" isn't a thing he was taught, or cared to learn.

@vgaportauthority9932

Жыл бұрын

@@arsefff Most of us are born with the capacity for empathy. Some are not. Women have higher average empathy. Conservative men have the lowest amount of empathy of all groups of people. That's not a coincidence. Couple that with pro-psychopathy notions like "facts don't care about your feelings" (as if feeling stuff is a negative.. I guess it seems like that for conservatives who only have fear, disgust and rage as their emotions.) Add on top of that the fact that conservatives have larger amygdalas, which are parts of the brain responsible for fear, disgust, anxiety and all that reactionary stuff... And you get the conservative male... If you ever get super furious when someone cuts you off in traffic or speeds past you on the highway, your amygdala is probably large and you should keep that stuff under control. If any challenge to your claims makes you angry, probably got a big amygdala. If being told that you should wear a mask turns you into a raging lunatic and the next 3 years of your life is spent raging against it to the point where being an antimasker becomes fundamental to your identity, probably got a massive huuuuuuge amygdala. If you've been _scared_ of transgender people, amygdala big. Conservatives are lesser organisms both in genetic and societal terms. Often raised by similarly inept parents, they live their lives thinking that sharing and caring is evil. In fact, the notion of taxation SCARES them... Touching the rich's wealth is terrifying and a slippery slope to fullblown communism in their minds.. Even though the biggest boom of commerce happened when the rich got boned the hardest with taxation.. Facts don't really matter to these people when they feel they're right though.... You could say their feels don't care about facts. The existence of lefties makes them stockpile weapons to feel safe.. They plan to build doomsday bunkers and they've already picked out what food buckets they're going to stock their bunker with... They rampaged when their great leader didn't win the election cause they were TERRIFIED of _Joe Biden._ General empathy isn't overly present in these people biologically, and it's discouraged socially... You love your family and god, that's it. Everyone else is your competition. Rally 'round the family, pocket full of shells! Like Jesus intended!

@ck58npj72

Жыл бұрын

@@vgaportauthority9932 So "nature vs nurture", I'm sure in the right (not politically right) environment, this would be an easy problem to solve.

He's almost exactly saying "I won't blame the victim, BUT if those victims were more sophisticated, they wouldn't be victims."

@philwill0123

Жыл бұрын

And if they are victims they need to convince men, who we have told to ignore "me too" , because "something something woke something something Amber heard, so believe nothing"

@theQuestion626

Жыл бұрын

I love the pretentiousness of Peterson when he throws out the word sophistication while he himself is a drug addict and crank oh and a gaslighting fascist.

@lucasfreer2785

11 ай бұрын

You forgot the part where he says multiple times "It can happen to anybody".

@theQuestion626

11 ай бұрын

@@lucasfreer2785 you seem to forget the part that is sole focus seems to be on blaming the victim in a rather indirect way. Just because he throws out “it can happen to anybody” is utterly meaningless when you factor in his sole focus.

@solosynapse

10 ай бұрын

​@@lucasfreer2785He says it in the same way white supremacists say that systemic racism doesn't exist because a handful of individual black people are prejudiced against white people. He's also a quack & a grifter who pushes conspiracy theories & encourages incel mythology. You might as well be brown-nosing for Alex Jones.

I was sexually assaulted two weeks between my 21st birthday. I was in the US Army at the time. Now, was that a crime against my father? Or the US Army? Actually, in that time and context, it was me who committed a crime. If I reported the assault and named the perpetrator, I would be punished for causing harm to the rapist. That was 40 years ago. I never married (the assault had a big part in that), so who do I belong to? I'm 62 now. JP has little understanding of the diversity of experience, And what does he have to say about men who experience sexual trauma? The VA calls it military sexual trauma (MST) In absolute terms, the number of men veterans who experienced MST is much higher (in absolute terms) than women veterans. Slightly pushy? When he pushes you down, one hand around your throat, the other over your mouth and nose, and your only desire is live through it and get home.

@mylittlekittens

Жыл бұрын

Sorry that happened to you 😔.

@seame3795

10 ай бұрын

I pray you’ve found healing. I’m sorry this happened to you. 💔

As a member of the female gender I don't give a 💩 about hurting some guys feelings by telling him no! No means NO!

@mariag.8242

Жыл бұрын

and some of them don’t care

@kaybrown7733

Жыл бұрын

@@mariag.8242 And that's the real problem.

@kurisu7885

Жыл бұрын

And more men need to accept it and move on.

@LucasGuillemette

Жыл бұрын

But won't you care about their feelings? Poor guys

@kaybrown7733

Жыл бұрын

@@LucasGuillemette Uh no! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

"If there's a woman in the woods, and no man around to see her, does she really exist?" - Jordan Peterson (probably)

@kattodoggo3868

Жыл бұрын

🤣💅🍷

@ozymandiasramesses1773

Жыл бұрын

"Catch her in the rye." -Jordab Peterson.

@rajbhattacharya4427

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he's totally a violent misogynistic reapist. And people actually believe that. Lol

@elsagrace3893

Жыл бұрын

@@timdahuman9781eew gross, I’m not aware of that. I’ll watch if I can find it. But one thing about David that you may have misread is that he doesn’t get combative EVER. He destroys with reason in a friendly way with a smile on his face. If a viewer is watching only for emotion and not laser focused on content of his words one would mistakenly believe that David Pakman was in agreement with his guest. Check with yourself about what you focus on and I will check David’s podcast with Scott Galloway.

@elsagrace3893

Жыл бұрын

@@timdahuman9781older JP made a lot of sense on certain subject. Even then he was a bit out there on religion IMO but recent JP is off the rails. It may be the content that you are watching and depend on if it’s old or new.

It isn't obvious to Jordan Peterson that women are people.

Since Peterson is a hero to the incel community, this is not a surprise.

@seame3795

10 ай бұрын

Right? He’s basically giving them a manual on how & who they should assault. 😔

@PakeezSlayer

9 ай бұрын

You need to learn what incel means before using it. 😂

@PakeezSlayer

9 ай бұрын

​@@seame3795Let me guess, you made that judgement and you've never actually read the book, am I in the ballpark?

@MissSpookyMooky

9 ай бұрын

@@PakeezSlayer This is not the epic burn you think it is. There's actual footage of Peterson talking about how he's seen as the pseudo intellectual hero of the incels. Piers mogan asks him if he is exactly that. And he agrees that he is and gets quite emotional about it. So shush silly incel boy. 🤣🤣

@PakeezSlayer

9 ай бұрын

@@MissSpookyMooky Point is you use these words, which by the way are meant to describe modern day school shooters who live in their mothers basements and think the world owes them a favor, except towards those who have been branded by social media as a problem for having a different opinion and not falling for your mentally ill ideologies, now nobody is saying feminism is a problem but now you want to call anyone trying to better their mental health and recapture their masclinity as an 'incel' AFTER the fact. Perhaps it would benefit you to sit and listen instead of crying and slapping labels on everything like some sort of psychopath who locks themself in an echochamber and can't deal with the fact that a different way of thinking exists

This is only difficult when you don't see women as equal.

According to Peterson, a young woman is expected to not only be in charge of her own behavior but also the behavior of the young man she’s just met. That seems like a lot of responsibility!

@boblangford5514

Жыл бұрын

@Wynn Because the mean girl needs to be nice to the poor boy’s feefees.

@martinpfefferle2558

Жыл бұрын

But he isn't victim blaming

@boblangford5514

Жыл бұрын

@@martinpfefferle2558 OP didn’t say he was.

@jamesregiste960

Жыл бұрын

​@@martinpfefferle2558 He isnt...? Of course he is!

@martinpfefferle2558

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesregiste960 sorry, sarcasm doesn't come through

I would love to hear Emma do a 45 minute solo rant on this.

@pamelaibarra790

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Id love to see that! I would also love to see her get 5 minutes with this guy to tell him how stupid he is to his face.

@rsr789

10 ай бұрын

@@pamelaibarra790 Oh, she would be justified in sticking an ice pick into his eye... well, through his eye sock and into the area where his 'brain' is.

@elephantintheroom5678

9 ай бұрын

Me too! She was doing exceedingly well!

@J.Soffer

9 ай бұрын

She needs her own segment!

@michaeltuffin5002

8 ай бұрын

And zero from sam

We need to talk more about how much Peterson hates birth control

@rsr789

10 ай бұрын

Ironically, Peterson should have been aborted.

@DarkWandererAU

9 ай бұрын

Maybe if you listened to his reasons for being cynical about it you might learn something from a different perspective

@hojosconsal9913

7 ай бұрын

Please enlighten us!

@leilameow9582

6 ай бұрын

@@hojosconsal9913 He says birth control makes women act more like men, and that women on it mimic infertility thus making them more attracted to men with narrower jaws and feminine features and that it is therefore unnatural and contributed to issues with modern dating (which as you can guess is not backed up by data or any evidence and in-fact sounds a whole like the pseudo-science and phrenology nonsense spread on Incel forums). He also claims the introduction of birth control was a mistake as a part of women's liberation because women were then able to have more casual sex and that made them more promiscuous bringing negative consequences society and making women unhappier. I am genuinely surprised that any women listens to this hack.

@LynetteA68

3 күн бұрын

ALL REPS hate birth control!! They already did away with Roe and they’ve CLEARLY said BC is next on their list!!!

It's not complicated. It's super simple.

@wilcee238

Жыл бұрын

Actually it’s super easy; barely an inconvenience.

@steven5054

Жыл бұрын

It depends what you mean by "complicated" bucko!

@M0oranshi

Жыл бұрын

@@steven5054 ehm... what? Hey Steven, steven, you are not on the right path if you want a GF. Just stop.

@beans1557

Жыл бұрын

@@steven5054 Steven, sugar, if you ever get confused about a love interest’s signals, just ask for a yes or a no, it’s hot, really, to be asked directly and clearly for your consent. It shows care. It shows you’re not a bumbling, malicious little cave troll looking for a hole to put his genitals in.

So what if the men in her life do NOT come to her defense? If her brother, father, husband or family friend assaults her and they want her to keep it quiet? Does she just...stay silent? How dare JP, how DARE he!

@vgaportauthority9932

Жыл бұрын

It's almost like Jordan hasn't thought this through to the end.. Instead just applied his idiocy to the one woman in his life, his daughter.. "This solves the problem for my immediate family, thus it must solve the problem for all worthy families. Those, for whom this does nothing, deserve nothing."

@BlackCover95

Жыл бұрын

Or if they’re in on it. e.g. trying to marry her off against her will.

@Nocturnalux

Жыл бұрын

It gets even worse than that, what if it’s the men in her life who are the abusers? Because all too often, abuse starts at home, with fathers, cousins, brothers, uncles, raping girls. Then what? What will recourse do they have then?

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

@@Nocturnalux , As seen throughout history... the women (if they were adults at that time) get punished for bringing false accusations against men.

@thomasalexander3849

Жыл бұрын

He’s saying that what constitutes abuse ought to be agreed upon by relevant actors in society. In this case it was a woman who was the abused, and if the abuse is to be societally legitimized, it ought to be recognized by men (the woman’s protectors) also- just as well as women. Now, I don’t wholeheartedly appreciate how Peterson went about articulating this idea but I understand what he is saying, and I don’t see it as misogynistic.

“I’m not trying to blame the victim.” Really? You’re doing a great job.

@youretoopolitical8611

Жыл бұрын

He doesn’t need to try. It comes naturally

@pamelaibarra790

Жыл бұрын

Isn't he though? He's such a moron.

@jamesregiste960

10 ай бұрын

Jordan lies, so glibly, that's Exactly what he was doing.

@AkasaBhikkhu-wn8uk

10 ай бұрын

Yes or no. Do women have agency? If women do have agency, then, why does asking a woman for her account about what she did automatically mean "victim blaming"? Whenever I see the term "victim blaming" I see (self identified 'victims') engaging in a behavior which I would identify as . So... Do women have agency or not?

@bluest1524

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, abusers always single out the most vulnerable. It is entirely the fault of the perpetrator: not the sophistication or lack thereof of the victim..

When I was 15 and 16 I was taken advantage of sexually several times. I was quite unsophisticated and had extremely low self esteem so I did not push back in these situations. The idea of telling an adult man no, and the uncomfortable and potentially dangerous situation that would follow that “no” seemed like a worse option. But that just means it was my fault, right? Unfortunately I didn’t have any brothers to help me learn. Which means my parents friend and my best friend’s stepdad couldn’t be blamed for what they did with me. It’s completely my fault. I should have been more sophisticated. Well. I sure am now.

@psychicbyinternet

Жыл бұрын

Sorry that happened to you. Fuck victim blamers.

@christal2641

10 ай бұрын

I am so sorry no one defended you. I hope you have gotten some therapy; what you describe suggests that you were "groomed" by you parents to accept abuse. There are groups for survivors of sexual assault and child abuse. Many face this in their 30's, 40's or later.

@samaraisnt

10 ай бұрын

This points to the heart of the flaw in his logic: children are inherently “unsophisticated” by design, which is why they are more often preyed upon. Secondly, not everyone has a male relative, because apparently only men can protect women but men can’t possibly be held accountable?? The most egregious part is that he paints young women & girls who are victims as “unsophisticated” but not LITERAL TROGLODYTE PEDO/R4P*ST SCUM like ok so all men are perfect and yet women are meant to be super-meta perfect by age 6 to fend off said men. The mental gymnastics is tiring…. 🧀 also what a great name you have it was really fun to read you must really love cheese!! Gave me a hoot.

@gingernightmare9152

10 ай бұрын

It is not your fault. Talk to someone at the Rape crisis center. They have really good therapists there.

@laurakrajnikburick2731

10 ай бұрын

So sorry for you having to go through such a horrible situation of rape and be blamed.

It's simple guys. If a woman says no at any point then you are done and need to walkway. Doesn't matter if you are at the bar, at her house in the bed or even butt naked in the middle of having sex. If she says no or even seems the least bit uncomfortable you wrap it up and go to the bathroom or home and handle the situation yourself. If you can't handle that then you need to seek clinical help.

@rudalph5923

9 ай бұрын

For both parties too

@juanmanuelmoramontes3883

7 ай бұрын

​@@rudalph5923True, but the problem is that most times the man can fully force themselves physically unlike women.

@hwhahab8

6 ай бұрын

​@@juanmanuelmoramontes3883 it has nothing to do with physical power If men say no means no same goes with Women

@sabb4989

6 ай бұрын

And how is it working out so far? Not getting the point

I'm not trying to blame the victim. Because I don't need to try. I AM blaming the victim.

@wilcee238

Жыл бұрын

What victim?! /S

@rajabuta

Жыл бұрын

@@wilcee238 there are no victims. There are only uneducated female

@jake-lynndobos659

Жыл бұрын

it just comes naturally

@russellward4624

Жыл бұрын

@@wilcee238 rape victims

@SLDimarco

Жыл бұрын

@@russellward4624 /s means sarcasm

Jordan we went over this. You can't just blame the victim and then say "But I'm not trying to blame any victims"

@federicosbetta1368

Жыл бұрын

well... I gues he was not trying but just doing it overtly.

@psychicbyinternet

Жыл бұрын

It's like "I'm not racist but..." or "I'm not trying to be a dick but..."

@comanchio1976

8 ай бұрын

@psychicbyinternet Beat me to it. The lack of intelligence needed to even attempt such a basic, obvious verbal conjuring trick, is staggering. And some people consider this tool to be the most important public intellectual of our age. Hell's bells.

I want JP to have a Freaky Friday and wake up as a young woman going to college, or a single mom working at a restaurant, or a woman who travels alone for work, or a young girl at home with her father, or literally any situation where he is a woman or girl who is not safe by herself in a room she can lock securely from the inside. After six months of interaction with "unsophisticated men", I truly wonder what he'd say.

@stuff2008

Жыл бұрын

Alone with her father? I do not think that is a universal experience of dread for most kids male or female. You might be projecting your family experience in the universal experience. Second men experience insecurity in all the same situations. As children they are little and without power and are often scared. As they grow up they experience bulling threats of violence and a similar risk of abduction and murder. The chance of rape declines into the late teenage years just to be replaced with increased likelihood of competition violence and murder. The common argument is that this violence and fear doesn't count because other men were doing this. But experience it as an individual. Everyone else is not you and that you share a one dimensional trait with them is no consultation.

@keldsleepnot7961

Жыл бұрын

@@stuff2008 well I bet all that mansplaining has put all those women in their place!

@lorrainesmith.4995

Жыл бұрын

When he said in another lecture that ""ALL WOMEN have kids.. """ i almost died... he forgets that there are lots of unattractive women who cannot find men also.!!!!

@spacecat6022

Жыл бұрын

@@lorrainesmith.4995 Lots of women not wanting children too.

@TheDivayenta

Жыл бұрын

@@keldsleepnot7961 👏👏👏❤️👏👏

His calmness as he states the most INSANE shit is so horrifying… how can u say that and not gag on your words?

@Ozhull

Жыл бұрын

And what's with this person interviewing him not pushing back? What a complete traitor to her gender

@barbiedahl

Жыл бұрын

Cuz he's a malignantly narcissistic sociopath. After awhile they believe their own lies.

@kurisu7885

Жыл бұрын

By being a total monster.

@kittiikamii

Жыл бұрын

@@Ozhull seeing as it was held on the daily wire im not shocked by her disheartening behavior. self loathing & seeking validation... she needs to get a grip girl

@quietnightthought1478

Жыл бұрын

He's spent decades thinking like this, that's how.

Peterson is saying only men have the right to determine if a woman has been raped. This is, of course, misogynistic and totally insane, because rape is legally defined; it shouldn't matter whether people in rape victims' lives acknowledge that they were raped. Also, what if a woman has no men in her life? If we follow Peterson's ideas, such women will have no legal recourse if they are raped.

@Quantris

Жыл бұрын

He's also saying that as a man, he wouldn't "in principle" defend a woman's right to not get raped unless he had ownership of her.... wolf in asshole's clothing

@john.premose

Жыл бұрын

Well I'll put it this way: when I was growing up in a fundamentalist cult, the translation of the Bible they used, used the word "owner" instead of husband. This was in the 1990s, and I doubt they've changed it to this day.

@incipidsigninsetup

Жыл бұрын

What a woman wants sexually from a man could easily be seen as assault or rape if she determines that's how it should be defined. Women have been asked to be slapped, choked, tied up, etc. A man who would refuse would be looked on as a pathetic wimp, too afraid to take control, but man who does so and gets blamed for sexual assault would be seen as a rapist. This is the reality that this channel would NEVER delve into. The narrative of women as the perpetual victim must be maintained.

@Bpaynee

Жыл бұрын

@@incipidsigninsetup do you know what the definition you're missing that makes your whole example absolutely silly? You explicitly stated, in those situations they asked. It's the consent that makes the difference, that's the whole point

@incipidsigninsetup

Жыл бұрын

@B it's not silly at all. You are ignorant to how some women weaponize sexual encounters, and for that, you should be grateful. There are plenty of men out there who know exactly what I'm talking about.

I used to see little clips of him and think he was just a rambling professor and not so bad. Now I feel a sense of rage I can’t explain.

@annamari7863

5 ай бұрын

there are many of us who feel like that.

Wow.... I was 16 a long time ago, and the girls I fancied had no problem setting limits and communicating them. I also had no problem seeking consent.

Whenever Peterson is getting ready to talk for a long time without really saying anything, he starts with “It’s complicated”

@Argumemnon

Жыл бұрын

"Climate change? Well climate is everything, and you can't have a theory about everything!!!"

@darthmocap

Жыл бұрын

Any time he is about to same some unhinged shit - “It’s complicated.”

@feistygheisty1980

Жыл бұрын

"Well that depends on what you mean by..."

@agitatedaligator5340

Жыл бұрын

Do you believe in god? WeLl what Do u MeAn By DO?? And what do u mEaN by BeliEve??? What Is gOD? And I MeaN preCisely

@elduderino007

Жыл бұрын

"It's worth pondering...." followed up by an unhinged, unfiltered, off the top of the dome ramble.

"a crime against a woman is a crime only until a man is sufficiently aggrieved" - Jordan Peterson.

@BadgerCommander

Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson watching The Last Duel - Exactly, this is how rape trials should be done!

@jennifer7685

Жыл бұрын

Nailed it

@antimediaman9354

Жыл бұрын

Thats not what he said. He said if you watch his whole show that when a mother is raped the kids are affected as well as the husband, and Sam and the ignorant cast of charactors fail to acknowledge that the rapist is being sentenced on behalf of the family's suffering as well.. It's called a deliberating mispreterial dummys!! This is our current justice system, and they wanna over throw it!!

@jonm7888

Жыл бұрын

@@antimediaman9354 nice try

@lilstevechan8427

Жыл бұрын

I think, on some level, Peterson denies the validity of women's issues, merely seeing them as a histrionic distraction from the REAL issues - cultural Marxism, wokeism and men being sad.

Rape is about power and dominance that results in a violent crime. To introduce it as a lack of communication and sophistication by the victim is a massive red herring.

@Attmay

9 ай бұрын

Tell that to Mary Kay LeTourneau. Then tell that to her fellow nonmale p3d0 Simone deBeauvoir who invented feminism to cover up her lust for underage boys.

@hugevagiine

9 ай бұрын

Do men never get raped?@wynn1587

"Sympathy for that perspective." Meaning what? I feel sorry you have that opinion? "Sophisticated women." Stunning. STUNNING that he thinks he can categorise women fending off harassers and rapists into sophisticated versus unsophisticated.

The first case of marital rape in the United States was 1978 Also, I need someone to get a head count on the number of times Jordan Peterson says "it's really complicated" about things that nobody else thinks is complicated

@craffte

11 ай бұрын

This shit right here. I start a timer. Or I have shots ready.

@julianyc422

10 ай бұрын

Unmarried women just got the right to birth control, currently only legal for married women. And it was a hard fight to make it illegal to rape your wife.

@grahamskippy

10 ай бұрын

​@@craffte A drinking game would undoubtedly leave you dead within 20 minutes

@jamesregiste960

10 ай бұрын

​​@@grahamskippyt's his "get out of jail free ", card "!😊

@Paddrique

10 ай бұрын

Yet he thinks the psychology of all trans and gay people is the same.

Jordan Peterson is the ultimate embodiment of the Dunning Kruger effect…

@wilcee238

Жыл бұрын

Nah he’s more like Freddy Krueger

@Bird_Dog2099

Жыл бұрын

He's kind of like Victor Krugar. The Victor Krugar effect...

@MissyGail4eva

Жыл бұрын

There's being so ignorant to one's own ignorance that one simply ignores any opportunity to grow.. and then there's remaining indifferent to one's own indifference that making a difference in another's life is a joy one will never know.

@buttlord4204

Жыл бұрын

So wild that confused and stupid men and boys come to this "sage" for his "wisdom.". I dunno about you, but if I am taking advice from someone on how to live, how to think, and what to believe, I am going to pick someone who has something I want. Faith, serenity, a lasting peace that I want in my life. This "man" lives in perpetual darkness, he's got none of the light that Jung claimed was the very essence of masculinity, he's got nothing worth having. He is a miserable creature that's created miserable children. He's got nothing of value for anybody, and it's truly sad that fools turn to him and take his advice. He doesn't know how to live, let alone how to live a good life.

@radnukespeoplesminds

Жыл бұрын

What about dennis prager?

So his point is that if women are raped, it's important to demonstrate how it harms men before it can be taken seriously. Words fail.

@angiebams123

6 ай бұрын

He is evil.

Even putting aside the property concept, he clearly doesn't see women as having any agency. He thinks the only way to prevent rape is by having men be angry. As tho only the anger of men makes a crime valid. His misogyny and narcissism is off the charts. It's insane how often he calls literally anyone who doesn't like him narcissistic, when I don't think I've heard a more narcissistic person speak.

@user-pvmdmtl

Жыл бұрын

Humans are naturally patriarchal and hierarchical. Men need to protect their women. Promiscuity is wrong for both men and women, and leads to single motherhood, STDs, psychological issues, rape.

@mariamiller1435

Жыл бұрын

Projection is the narcissist’s favorite tool.

@fifiadan

Жыл бұрын

I hate to break it to you buddy with without men enforcing laws / families protecting their women there’s nothing which presents a women from being r*ped

@spacecat6022

Жыл бұрын

@@SantasGAINdeer It was the Peterson clown but indeed, sadly he is not alone thinking this in those right wing chuds.

@spacecat6022

Жыл бұрын

He definitively sees no value in women. When he was let's say "sane" or less crazy, he was already claiming that women now having jobs and ambitions was taking away the jobs and ambitions of men since men are the saviors of women and if women are not there passively waiting to be saved, what is a man's life? According to him, women should go back to be damsels in distress, forced to give themselves to the man saving them from whatever. No choice, the man who came to their rescue is the one assigned to them, he deserved them. That is order. Otherwise females are chaos. That weird guy really had such crazy sexist ideas...

He has disturbing ideas about most things that seep into his tiny mind

@bhambhole

Жыл бұрын

Tyler ! You're everywhere! Always love your take on things.

@johnsonsandra8069

Жыл бұрын

Disturbing to say the least

@lim4275

Жыл бұрын

He does have some disturbing ideas. The thing I find most troubling about him is the ardor of his fans / followers. They pretty much worship him. If you try to point out anything even slightly negative about him, they just completely lose their minds. He has so many inconsistent positions, some of which are completely contradictory. He’s definitely a dumb person’s smart person.

@jameshunt4611

Жыл бұрын

Tiny mind? Mate, his mind is soup

@jennifermackinnon6982

Жыл бұрын

@@lim4275 he's Andrew Tate in a bad suit. And while I loathe Andrew Tate, he's way smarter than Peterson. If only we could see Peterson handcuffed and dragged off to jail.

How about if someone doesn't want to have sex, you don't force yourself on them, even if you're married, regardless if you're a man or woman.

@wilcee238

Жыл бұрын

Whoa! Slow down there chief. /S

@memecity9849

Жыл бұрын

@wilcee238 lol sorry for the radical idea

@ranniemanangan5371

Жыл бұрын

Whoa there buddy, those are big words... Do you think JP and his ghoulish fans would understand it?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@arsefff

Жыл бұрын

You needs at least a couple of books to get anywhere near such an extreme conclusion. How about we all clean up our room and think of lobsters instead?

@MrAlathiel

Жыл бұрын

what the fuck, what's next? Police not being able to shoot whoever they want without consequence? Republicans being held accountable for the lies they tell? This country really is running towards ruin.

My mum was terminated by her school district for being pregnant with me in 1971. A housewife with a baby could not legally keep her job back then.

@dmob881

Жыл бұрын

I started work in a UK bank just after they lifted the marriage bar.. .women lost their jobs when they got married, and even just engaged, in some professions, until 1972.

@sirphineasluciusambercromb9114

Жыл бұрын

@@dmob881 It's abysmal that Britain, America, etc. allowed such sex discrimination.

@dmob881

Жыл бұрын

@@sirphineasluciusambercromb9114 Yes, indeed. When I think back, and realise what I witnessed in my own lifetime, it does shock me. And I fear the likes of Jordan Peterson would have us right back there again in a heartbeat.

@hugevagiine

9 ай бұрын

Thats Jordan Petersons fault

Peterson is a good example of how pill popping will ruin you.

@rsr789

10 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure he was born mentally broken, and the pills just made everything worse.

@DarkWandererAU

9 ай бұрын

@@rsr789 what is it about him that makes you think he is mentally broken? Genuinely curious

In the 90s marital rape was still legal in some states.

@bhambhole

Жыл бұрын

Yet sodomy was illegal in other states. Bizarro world.

@LANDBACKbyANYmeans

Жыл бұрын

Marrying children is still legal in 43 US states.

@bhambhole

Жыл бұрын

@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans it's legal for cops to fornicate in their tax funded police cars while on duty in many states too.

@nextchancenow7153

Жыл бұрын

@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans damn that’s screwed up

@robertbunch7829

Жыл бұрын

And jordan was there for it !!!

This also reminds me of every time an attack on a woman makes the news, clueless men in positions of power or influence say how terrible it is because, after all, they have a wife, daughter, sister, etc. Your level of empathy toward women should not be determined by the presence of women in your life!

@Cindyy646

Жыл бұрын

This!!!

@AhmadM25

Жыл бұрын

its easier to empathize that way since you can kinda imagine urself in the victims place more. The fact that you interpret that as negative shows me that you are a narcissist or a psych

@micahbanimating610

Жыл бұрын

@@AhmadM25 you dont know them at all. Youre playing armchair psychiatrist

@sainttheresetaylor2054

Жыл бұрын

@@AhmadM25 y can’t u just empathise with the fact that they’re human?

@AhmadM25

Жыл бұрын

@@sainttheresetaylor2054 some people have trouble empathizing. including me. Everyone i know tells me i dont feel sympathy or empathy. Its not intentional though i try my best to empathize with people and sometimes i end saying weird shit thy sounds wrong yet helps me empathize

He literally looks like a movie villain now. Sitting in some wooden mansion with dark victorian furniture, in a constricting, dark and shiny suit, looking serious, fighting against empathy and justice.

@f0xygem

Жыл бұрын

You mean like Snaggly Whiplash on Dudley Do-Right of the Mounties? Both Canadian, ehhh.

@TheDivayenta

Жыл бұрын

And a red face from living on red meat exclusively.

@TheDivayenta

Жыл бұрын

@@f0xygem Snidely Whiplash! Lol!!!

@AlexReynard

Жыл бұрын

Nice to see that his critics are reduced to making fun of his looks.

@TheDivayenta

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexReynard because JP would never tear down a perfect stranger for THEIR looks like he did to that poor SI cover model. He’s a POS.

You know, we never shamed jp for getting himself put in a medical coma to avoid working on his addiction. his whole schtick is personal responsibility, and he is objectively causing harm

It's seriously disturbing that there are people who look up to this dude.

This was as recent as the 90's. Stepfather beat and raped my mother in our home, and the police did nothing. We live in Washington State. Police would say, 'it's a family matter', and left her & us 3 daughters in the home with the monster. She never even had her own bank account, let alone a credit card. People STILL think like this, and it's disgusting. Stepfather is free, living with his next victim, same town. Mom died at 54. Nobody gives a shit.

@bigd3266

Жыл бұрын

I'm so deeply sorry to hear that XOXOS

@olympiaelda1121

Жыл бұрын

This is horrendous. Im so sorry!

@missinterpretation4984

Жыл бұрын

I’m so sorry 💔

@RawOlympia

Жыл бұрын

understood

@psychicbyinternet

Жыл бұрын

That's awful. I'm really sorry. ACAB.

1. expecting battered woman to be "sophisticated" in their manner and judging them for not being "sophisticated" after surviving trauma 2. 16 year old women are not capable of complex thought i would not let this man near any woman in my life, or let him near anyone who would interact with a woman at any point in their life. holy shit dude

@hugevagiine

9 ай бұрын

He didn't say any of that

@will_pilled

Ай бұрын

*16 year old girl

this is the guy who went on joe rogan's podcast to literally advocate for state-mandated girlfriends for lonely men, and then got immediately slam dunked by joe. he has NEVER believed in consent, he's ideologically against the premise as a whole.

@rsr789

10 ай бұрын

Bet you anything he has raped his wife.... amongst other women.

@windowslogo3577

10 ай бұрын

He never said that but ok

@vinceandrich4603

5 ай бұрын

It’s his way of showing us he’s a low value male who is very low on the mating totem pole. His history of female rejection is very obvious.

@will_pilled

Ай бұрын

Not denying this but can I see the vid? Where to find? Or audio?

@grev.

Ай бұрын

@@will_pilled search "Joe Rogan Calmly Obliterates Jordan Peterson" it's another MR clip

Wow he is making such a simple concept of consent too complex. We don’t need this man

@theinvisiblewoman5709

Жыл бұрын

Bro said if a woman has even a remote interest in a man then a claim of rape is questionable because when does consent start and stop is unclear. When consent starts and stops is never unclear because it always stops at “no” and there is too many examples of when consent starts but the main one is “yes”.

@amylake9064

Жыл бұрын

@The Invisible Woman and like... does he think people in relationships can't rape each other? Just because you've had sex before and will definitely want to in the future, does not mean you want it all of the time. There will be times where one of you just doesn't want to, for whatever reason, and that's fucking fine. Consent is so fucking easy. Is my partner responding positively to my advances? Yes? Keep going. No? Stop. Not sure? Ask.

@wirelesmike73

Жыл бұрын

We need this man, and men like him, to disappear from existence, entirely... For the benefit of all men and women around the world.

@wirelesmike73

Жыл бұрын

@@amylake9064 Actually, Yes, he does believe that partners in a relationship can't be raped by their partner, because partnership (to him) is servitude to the wants and needs of the man. He believes that it is the responsibility of the woman to perform her womanly duties on demand in order to keep his ego fully intact, without question. He is a twisted fuckhead, and he should be in a mental institution instead of giving young men advice on life.

@vgaportauthority9932

Жыл бұрын

@@amylake9064 It's only called "complex" by people who have some shady shit in their past tbh.. Just like how everything morally dubious is "complex"... "I only drove 80mph in the school zone cause I had to take a dump, officer... Surely you can see the complexity?" no... Poop in your car while keeping within the speed limit... Or find some other way to get the job done without breaking the law... Putting people at risk because you gotta poop, stop and think about it.. Not hard to figure out what's right or wrong there.. Traffic rules are not complex.. And consent is considerably LESS complex even just on an empathy level... You don't have sex with people who aren't into it unless you're into having sex with people who aren't into it, AKA being into being a sadistic rapist. Jordan has 100% raped women. 100% guaranteed, that's why he's calling consent complex, that's why he's calling rape complex. It's not complex. Rape is brutality, the degree of the brutality matters, but it's not like there's a good rapist out there because "at least she didn't cry, so I guess I'm not really a rapist, it's complex." Nah, still a rapist. Just left a woman confused and maybe even feeling somewhat to blame for not being more clear... Jordan wants all bad men to be seen as misunderstood, and all women to be seen as misunderstanders...

"bring the men to her side in principle" _enters statement into Google Translate_ "bros before hos"

@bhambhole

Жыл бұрын

There's two types of people in this world: white knights and incels. Neither are allowed to talk about fight club (it's JP's first rule).

@john.premose

Жыл бұрын

So basically he's saying that the only reason a woman's father or brothers, or other male family, will care that she got raped is if they view it as an offense against themselves instead of her. What a low view he has of men, he's basically saying men can't feel compassion or concern for anyone unless it personally hurts them.

@buttlord4204

Жыл бұрын

Bizarre like, he argues that rape is solved by the fact that it enrages brothers and fathers and male friends and family, and uh, they presumably go out and beat up the attacker? Half or more of the women I've known intimately enough for them to want to tell me about such things have lived through sexual violence. How many then had their brothers, fathers, etc go out and get vigilante justice against the perpetrator? I mean, none, as far as I know? Supposedly in early human civilization, serially sexually violent men would wind up mysteriously dying during hunting trips. But these days, we literally live in a society, men might still have that urge to solve such problems directly, but they also have families they know would be worse off if and when they got locked up for doing that. So, it doesn't happen JP always argues so forcefully with the most flawed and just on it's face, just entirely wrong points-of-view. It's literally like listening to a 15-year-old boy, completely confident in his own correctness, entirely oblivious to the fact that he's seeing things through an entirely untempered and autistic lens

@cicalinarrot

Жыл бұрын

This. The man shares 99% of his ideas with those macho motivational coaches and pick-up artists, but since he also happens to be an academic, he knows how to talk like one and he can paint that crap with intellectual sounding arguments. He shouldn't be part of any debate about women. You don't invite pro-pedophila intellectuals at debates about pedophilia.

@john.premose

Жыл бұрын

@@buttlord4204 exactly, it's like he's living in some world where there's no police, no law, where people just go out and exact vigilante justice. Delusional doesn't even begin to cover it.

Jordan saying only “sophisticated women” (again, a high status only confirmed on her via men - sophistication is apparently unobtainable on her own merits) know “how to say no,“ deflects from the fact that rape is about not taking no for an answer, no matter who it’s coming from. The WHOLE POINT of what makes rape bad, is that you’ve fundamentally ignored that other person’s choice. And what the actual with him saying things are complicated, when they’re not even remotely complicated? Dude is WEIRD, man. Dude is weird.

It is AMAZING how much conservatives struggle with the idea of consent. It’s a hurdle they just can’t pass.

@cmgweb6951

9 ай бұрын

I'll help you understand. They think they are "endowed by gawd", with "unalienable rights." These loons actually see themselves as the inheritors of gawds wisdom and laws, and almost invariably revert back to Old Testament beliefs when it comes to anyone's rights but their 'own'.

@Attmay

9 ай бұрын

You mean because of its racist and antisemitic history of being used by non-men of non-color to justify hate crimes and lynching of men of color? That is literally why it was invented in the first place. It is why Leo Frank and Emmett Till were sent to early graves at the hands of lying terrorists who were neither male nor of color. Yt feminism just kept the ball rolling for this racist Misandrist stereotype of men of color being inherently criminal. It is why “toxic masculinity“ is a Misandrist slur a form of verbal terrorism, not protected by the first amendment. It is how Joe Biden was able to pass the crime bill of 1994 and make it a crime to be a black man in America.

Jordan Peterson is disturbed.

@barbiedahl

Жыл бұрын

Quite.

@Spiritof_76

Жыл бұрын

Drugs...

@pllpsy665

Жыл бұрын

Benzos abuse causes brain damage. He has all the symptoms of that.

@yaketysmack5512

Жыл бұрын

Confused and sick

@yaketysmack5512

Жыл бұрын

Confused and sick

Emma nailed it. Jordan Peterson is just showing his own inability to sympathize with women and extending that shortcoming to some naturalistic assumption about men in general. This means he must also believe that there's a good, or at very least understandably compulsory, reason for men to not be able to sympathize with women. And he's so far past having already reflexively justified his blatant misogyny that he's struggling to not word it in a way which even he's aware sounds dehumanizing to the person he's speaking to.

@Terra_Lopez

Жыл бұрын

Great point. This is really well explained, and an important point. My friend, who is/was a JP fan, finds it almost impossible to understand anyone who is not just like himself. So people like me, or women in general, he just doesn't understand, and he always assumes we are just like him in how we think and process information.

@theinvisiblewoman5709

Жыл бұрын

In one of his old videos JP just realized his wife is wise and smart and has valid thoughts and feelings after 20+ years of marriage. He needs to get off the internet.

@skippylanoue966

Жыл бұрын

he's an intellectual psychopath, the ultimate incel....very dangerous since so many young men apparently idolize this guy

@skippylanoue966

Жыл бұрын

@@theinvisiblewoman5709 he's married? 🤣😳😳😳

@jerry182shalala

Жыл бұрын

Damn you nailed it

I know we always crap on Peterson for being cringe but the way my jaw dropped as a woman listening to him say this. This man is dangerous period

@DarkWandererAU

9 ай бұрын

What did he say that made your jaw drop?

@williamrisbridger60

9 ай бұрын

@@DarkWandererAUThat a rape of a woman is somehow only a bad thing in terms of how it affects the men in her life.

@DarkWandererAU

9 ай бұрын

@@williamrisbridger60 He said in the past it was a crime against the man because women were considered property hundreds of years ago. This was just a woman reacting to a heinous thing and thinking he was talking about in in today's terms - he wasn't. Discussing history isn't dangerous. Unless you can share the time in the clip where he says the heinous thing undoubtedly, its just people's warped interpretations

@oOSilverZackOo

7 ай бұрын

You people must be insanely functionally illiterate.

@Vastuniversals

2 ай бұрын

@@oOSilverZackOo Keep projecting about yourself

Gold. I could never understand why people fall for this senseless and malicious jp talk.

"It sounds like I am blaming the victim..." -- Peterson. Yeah, it does. Maybe because you are.

@dinosaysrawr

Жыл бұрын

What's insidious about Peterson and these other guys is that they'll say something that feels true or might be partly true, and they'll ride that horse of half-truth deep into the woods of their ideology. So, it's true that naive and unsophisticated people often don't know how to assert needs and boundaries or read another person's signals, and that this often results in confusion, hurt, and harm. That is indeed a genuine problem! Peterson's solution for this is to just take society back to the 1950s (at least)---rather than, say, advocate for better widespread psychoeducation in consent, boundaries, safe sex, and good communication.

"by the time she wants to say no she's already on the bed" . Guess what she can say no on the bed like wtf

@amylake9064

Жыл бұрын

I know right? His views on sex and consent are so concerning. You can be in the middle having sex, then decide you want to stop. And that's perfectly okay.

@Nocturnalux

Жыл бұрын

I was once having enthusiastic and very consensual sex with my ex when a spasm of pain suddenly ripped through my body. My then boyfriend immediately stopped and asked me what was wrong. He was more distraught than I was, as he thought he had hurt me. According to Peterson, he shouldn’t have stopped because, hey, I was already in bed.

@math20-22

Жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing. Like the bed is not some sort of “point of no return.” At any time either party can say “no” or “stop” and sexy time is over. Not saying your partner won’t feel some type of way about it, but there is no point at which you lose your right to say no. Wtf indeed.

@kullekusk8136

2 ай бұрын

​@@Nocturnalux That's not at all what JP was getting at. In all likelihood he refers to a scenario where she doesn't say no, despite that she uncertain of whether she wants or not (or certain that she doesn't want to). And when "she's already in bed" it's obviously more difficult to say no, usually. JP basically say's that assertiveness leads to saying no "in time" - rather than regretting it, say, 3 years later and claming. "rape". However, this lack of assertiveness is accounted for in certain countries. By making consent something which has to be accepted actively. I.e. in the absence of "Yes" there's always a "No". One better sign a contract I suppose ...

This is such a weird take because women who’ve grown up with great trusting relationships with men (father, brother, grandpa etc) are less likely to identify predators. Why would a woman who grew up with abusive men she doesn’t trust… make her become a woman who trusts men too much?

@slowpainful

Жыл бұрын

That's an interesting and logical take. I could understand that a woman growing up with abusive men might be so lacking in self-esteem and sense of agency that she might be susceptible, not to trusting men too much, but feeling that she has no choice, or feeling helpless. And I would see trusting relationships with male family members as being relationships that would empower her to speak up, know her self-worth and take as a given her equality with men. But I don't see why it's just relationships with men that count, the whole family dynamic shapes children in indelible ways.

@missinterpretation4984

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought!

@psychicbyinternet

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, abusers prefer to seek out people who have been abused because being treated badly is familiar to them and they aren't used to good relationships so a guy treating them like shit is "normal" to them and they are more likely to ignore red flags.

Every time JP didn’t let that woman finish her thought, I wanted to shout at him. Woman: “and there’s also the threat of physical violence, which is understandably frighteni-“ JP: “well, it’s a complicated thing, right? If we teach women from an early age to appeal to the man’s ego, relations will improve, blah blah blah and so on.”

His attachment to Jung has blinded him to his insanely Freudian issues.

@JH-yj7kk

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

@Putmeinacementbox

Жыл бұрын

He's not even a good Jungian his anima is so fucking rancid

I can’t believe this guy is/was a licensed psychologist.

@quantize

Жыл бұрын

still is, should be was. He's deranged.

@denisdaly1708

Жыл бұрын

He would never be licensed in Ireland.

@termsofusepolice

Жыл бұрын

Imagine a woman who came to him for therapy after having suffered a sexual assault. "I think healing can only begin when you start to think about this less as an assault against your own humanity and personhood and more as an assault against your husband's assets."

@aaronmichaelwilkie9593

Жыл бұрын

He will be losing his license to practice very soon.

@Briggsian

Жыл бұрын

I'm in school to become a psychologist myself. I was genuinely shocked to learn he had a psychology background.

About time JPs license was discontinued. Praying for the poor "patients" who sought his help, especially the young women. No amount of re-education would be able to rehabilitate him for practise. Sam's impression is bang-on. Also, JP seems to be saying that if a woman has no men left in her life (ie - her father has died) then she can't really be raped anyway, sophisticated or not.

It's weird that he would mention 16 yr olds as a specific age for a non-specific example, especially once we consider the majority of cases where a minor is the victim of SA it is an older male family member who does the assault... His entire "system" is a cover to prevent even the most casual investigation into the majority of SA cases involving minors.🤷

His daughter dated Andrew Taint for a while. And he was cool with that……

@Tarumarugan

Жыл бұрын

The man sticks to his principles

@Matthew.Moulton

Жыл бұрын

Wait that really happened?

@marl6908

Жыл бұрын

xD

@whetlands

Жыл бұрын

Didn't she leave her husband and child to visit him? Truly, the Dragon of Chaos incarnate.

@dangerousd1312

Жыл бұрын

at least he’s not a hypocrite!

Just when you think Jordy Peterson couldn't be more of a ghoul

@richardvinsen2385

Жыл бұрын

I’ve never thought that about him. He can always go lower.

@Ellieempress

Жыл бұрын

Him and Matt Walsh are very dark and strange individuals.

@yennefer440

Жыл бұрын

@renee ciccioni Yeah, Matt Walsh is for child marriage. He's a sick f*ck.

@WillBravoNotEvil

Жыл бұрын

@@Ellieempress They've learned not to interact with actual opponents. Instead, they field softballs from an imaginary inquisitor OR a supplicant from the Amen Chorus 🤡

The other thing about this conversation, was that Peterson rudely dominated airtime, sucked all the air out of the room, and didn't let Louise speak, despite that she's quite brilliant and well worth the hearing.

@psychicbyinternet

Жыл бұрын

Honestly he was more polite to her than most women, I guess because she didn't push back that much. He is usually extremely rude to any women he talks to unless he knows they are sycophantic toward him (conservative).

@bluest1524

Жыл бұрын

@@psychicbyinternet He actually expressed worry about ANTIFA!, with armed, "conservative", pitifully misinformed and militarized morons all over this nation ready to wage civil war. lol. Good for a laugh if it wasn't so insidious.

@rsr789

10 ай бұрын

@@psychicbyinternet If they are sycophantic toward him , it makes it easier for him to rape them.

Thank you for this, you straight up busted this creep

Sam nailed that impression so nicely.

@phillip8132

Жыл бұрын

unfortunately, as good as their impressions of peterson are, it tends to undercut the seriousness of his aberrant views on things.

@ethereal-alice

Жыл бұрын

@@phillip8132no it demonstrates a true understanding of it by recontexualizing it imo

@GhostInTheMachine165

Жыл бұрын

@@phillip8132 I think Sam was just trying to lighten up the mood, he literally stops the clip out of disgust (and rightfully so)

@joeymac4302

Жыл бұрын

I love that his impression was so detailed that he failed to finish a single statement. But he does need work on the hand signs. It's lacking in authenticity due to the missing jedi mind tricks.

@dragonmybaggage

Жыл бұрын

@@phillip8132 So true. It just sucks that sometimes these people are so outrageous you just have to laugh.

I literally had my jaw drop open in shock as he started to say that he was going to "push back" against the idea that women aren't property and that it is "complicated". I don't know why I'm so shocked when conservatives say the quiet part out loud. It's just so crazy to hear them say it. Unbelievable.

@milesfurther4395

Жыл бұрын

So true. And what makes it even more illogical is that in some Arabic countries where women are treated like property, rape victims are still stoned to death due to “sexual immorality”. Nothing he’s saying makes any sense.

@mdale814

Жыл бұрын

Is it a requirement that someone be legitimately retarded to be a Seder fan? At no point did Peterson say he was going to push back against the idea that women aren't property. You have to be sub-70 IQ or radically dishonest to interpret his words that way.

@georgeednie7723

Жыл бұрын

@@milesfurther4395 I would guess his ideal world is something akin to that, but Christian.

@lovinliverpool

10 ай бұрын

@@milesfurther4395 Peterson is quite popular in arab countries, he has tons of fans over there

@ruthokelley5833

10 ай бұрын

Peterson’s views on most all subjects are ‘complicated!’ However…his words remind me of people reading the Bible…and how different people will interpret the same passages of scripture differently…unless they have been indoctrinated by their religious teachings to interpret scripture one certain way! Learning everything out of some book never brings about wisdom! This is where I see that Peterson is in short supply!

Fun Jordan Peterson Facts: Jordan tends to refer to little girls as "Budding Beauties" in his rants

@cady__

10 ай бұрын

🤮

JP's facial expressions all seem to be varying degrees of having a nervous breakdown while having a bowel movement

Emma really shined in this segment.

@braydenkenney3313

Жыл бұрын

She's been really great recently and as much as I love hearing from Sam I wish he'd stop interrupting her so much lmao.

@basedtruthpiller7140

Жыл бұрын

California has just legalized relationships between adults and children as long as the child is, and I quote directly from the legislation... a 'willing participant'

@mickael486

Жыл бұрын

She's allowed to "Pause It" whenever she wants.

@mrwaltermathews

Жыл бұрын

@@braydenkenney3313 she makes me cringe almost every time she speaks but here she is spot on and articulate

@thomasrussell4674

Жыл бұрын

@@braydenkenney3313 true, she's a good anchor in her own right.

Jordan's take on "the pill makes it more complicated" is an innate dismissal that women (or anyone, really) has the right to say no. Because he says that aside from not wanting to get pregnant, just saying "I don't want to have sex" isn't good enough. Not consenting isn't, for Jordan Peterson, good enough reason to forego forcing someone to have sex. This isn't any revelation, but it does reinforce what we already know: there's something deeply wrong with Jordan Peterson.

@buttlord4204

Жыл бұрын

I remember when I first heard of him way back, somehow landing on his Amazon page, looking at the free pages of some book "he" wrote. It was literally just him re-writing the Jungian concepts that Joseph Campbell has famously written about, except with all the elegance removed and all these extraneous words shoehorned in all slapdash and crappy. He really is a pseudointellectual, maybe got a little smarts sure, but zero wisdom, zero emotional intelligence, nothing worth saying.

@vgaportauthority9932

Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to abuse his butt and then tell him it was fine because he is sexually active. I mean if he didn't want it, why would he be sexually active in his life as a whole? Him being sexually active really makes it complicated.

@Nocturnalux

Жыл бұрын

You’re absolutely right. Simply not wanting to have sex is not a valid reason for a woman to say no. Somehow, it’s all about hurting the man’s fee fees.

@Nocturnalux

Жыл бұрын

You’re absolutely right. Simply not wanting to have sex is not a valid reason for a woman to say no. Somehow, it’s all about hurting the man’s fee fees.

@vanessacallahan3515

Жыл бұрын

He still believes women are fragile and need men to protect their honor and aren’t able to seek Justice themselves.

Imagine if Jordan Peterson *didn't* dehumanize women and treat them like they should not be stakeholders in legal matters that involve their own agency.

Again... He's blaming victims

"I'm not trying to blame the victim" - Blames the victim over and over

@patrickandersen412

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, blame the person who doesn’t help themselves. If they don’t help themselves it’s their fault right? So if a person gets raped it’s not right, but I don’t feel sorry for them because it was there fault to begin with. Those dresses and skirts. A man is a man. I’ve heard this shit for so long it makes me want to puke, it’s disgusting and they don’t know it’s disgusting.

@immanuelcunt7296

Жыл бұрын

That's not what he did. If you're unwilling to examine a situation and see how it came about, you're not going to be able to solve it. As a matter of fact, much of trauma has to do with being psychologically distressed at the notion that if it happened once, it can happen again. And, logically, the best treatment for that would be delineating the causal chain of events that led to an incident and learning how to make it less likely to happen. Because when you learn how to avoid potential recurrences of traumatic experiences, you'll obviously be less anxious and afraid, and feel better. That's not blaming the victim. What it is, is an analysis of the situation such that we can figure out how to make it less likely to occur.

@vowel8280

Жыл бұрын

@@immanuelcunt7296 "What it is, is an analysis of the situation such that we can figure out how to make it less likely to occur." Ok, and what's his solution?

@immanuelcunt7296

Жыл бұрын

@@vowel8280 Partly assertiveness training on the part of the women, as well as an increased degree of caution surrounding things like letting a delivery driver into one's home when they're alone, and partly better socialization and learning to recognize subtle cues on the part of the men. I mean, that's kind of obvious from what he's saying lol.

@johnchiva351

Жыл бұрын

Oh, I understood that as 'anyone who is 17 does not have the mind space to defend themselves properly'. All young people need to know how to set their bounders firmly.

Emma on fire here. Good to see. Like seeing her shine like this. Give us more.

@SanMiguelTVRadio

8 ай бұрын

😂

I'd like to thank Emily for her explanation - When he made his initial statement about men needing to feel more 'involved' he genuinely lost me, in the sense of "I couldn't follow where his logic was even trying to go", which unnerved me because I'm usually pretty good at seeing the world from other perspectives. Turns out my issue here was that I'm good enough at seeing the world from other perspectives that it simply never occurred to me that I needed a reason to be against violent assaults other than "It's a truly awful thing to do to another person", though I have to say I didn't think that was so much of a "high bar" as it was "a basic requirement of a not being diagnosed as a narcissist with psychotic tendencies"...and the fact that he missed that is another reason (on the very long list of reasons) to revoke his credentials. It's commonly said that people study psychology to understand their own issues. I have to wonder if he started doing the same and then, along the way, convinced himself the rest of the world had the issues and it was his duty to fix it. You know, either that or he's just a shameless shill who will advocate anything people are willing to pay him to explain why they shouldn't feel guilt for acting like a POS.

As a woman, these comments are so refreshing. So many kings in the comments 👑👑👑 It’s man like you who fight radical feminism, not people Jordan Peterson and fanboys or whatever who badly complain about this group. People like you who help us get away from the crazy belief engrained in us that all men are evil to us. People like you who treat us with respect and don’t see us as less. I’ve been there… I saw people like him and lost hope seeing so many people agreeing with him. You lose so much hope that you turn to a group who has radical beliefs and you start believing every man wants to harm you. I focused on positive man like people here in the comments and I have such a better view about men now. And if every man was like this and would just keep showing those to radical feminists it would help a lot more get away from radical groups. The same is the other way around, showing men the same respect and that women aren’t adversaries who constantly playing mind games to screw men over. Unfortunately radical people like this will always exist but each person that is still sane can do their part. If we keep showing love and respect to each other we won’t have those groups divide us anymore and start hate war between men and women. Because we are both great, strong and needed💪

the avoidance of empathy is almost hilarious

@MrYago-xd7um

Жыл бұрын

Easy to laugh when kermit goes full SNL Weinstein in 35 seconds.

@john.premose

Жыл бұрын

His Objectivist principles preclude empathy. Everything must be transactional in his worldview, because it supports capitalism's hegemony and that's the only thing rightwingers actually care about.

@buttlord4204

Жыл бұрын

you know what pretty famously can cause that, is opiate abuse. it can like, close your heart, if you know what I mean. I have always suspected his "benzodiazapine" addiction was his cowardly, dishonest way of concealing his actual addiction, to both opiates and benzos. Which makes a lot more sense in the context of him flying to Russia to be knocked out for a week to go through withdrawal without feeling it, like the coward he is. Benzo w/d can be dangerous, but what it isn't, is particularly psychically painful. Can cause seizures, in those predisposed, but the suffering is nil, no sleep for a couple days, feeling a little bit on edge. Bit opiate withdrawal plunges you into darkness. Even that, anybody who would be worth taking advice from can appreciate the pain, deal with is, look at the psychic state like a rare bird showing up in your yard or something, just observe it while it lasts. But his lack of insight and faith, that darkness is too much for him to bear. Like the coward he is, he demanded access to a shortcut through it all. Little man has a lot to say about the heroes journey, all jacked straight from the pages of Joseph Campbell's books because he truly does not grasp Carl Jung's thought despite supposedly specializing in it... but he himself has no ability to walk through those dark places, let alone cross through them, learn something transformative, and come out the other side better for it

@vgaportauthority9932

Жыл бұрын

@@john.premose His transactional world view is pretty much the extent at which his mind can operate.. Once he has to take feelings into account, his whole thing just crumbles. That's actual complexity that he doesn't have the capacity to tackle. That's why sociopaths like Jordan and Shapiro work outside of human psychology and disregard people's quality of life completely. They literally lack the ability to understand emotion. Jordan is so inept at understanding it that he just cries for no reason ALL THE TIME. Hilarious. Easy to make a moral framework if you care nothing about other people and disregard their feelings and emotions fully just to favor your own disciples... "Hey guys, consent is complex, listen to daddy, it's complex." Meanwhile, good people go "No means no."

@thane732

Жыл бұрын

@@john.premose he's... not an objectivist lol. what makes you think he is?

Emma knocking it out of the park 👏

@AwesometownUSA

Жыл бұрын

oh I STRONGLY disagree! wait, Emma is that quavering old canadian guy right? I’ll have to re-watch to double check, but my impression was that the Emma dude was a total lunatic

@ChillAssTurtle

Жыл бұрын

@@AwesometownUSA autism awareness month came early this year

@LinkRocks

Жыл бұрын

@@AwesometownUSA Swing and a miss.

@biggeneral1628

Жыл бұрын

​@@AwesometownUSA 🤡

@beans1557

Жыл бұрын

@@LinkRocks You didn’t get the joke?

There's something seriously wrong with this man.

Peterson, as Emma asked, what do you think of rpe against males? Is it a "complicated" issue too?

"That complicates things" is petersonian for "I know what I want is evil and thus I will indirectly advocate for the evil that was banal and widely accepted in the past because I am uncomfoprtable with a society that is different than the one I grew up in because I don't want to have to come to grips that things I was told as a kid by my parents to be good were actually bad"

@Don.tKillTheMessanger

10 ай бұрын

The things he was told? Or the things that he did? Maybe he's trying to justify his own behaviour from when he was in college.

The statement that a woman should be classified as property " to get men on her side " in a case of assault and rape is not only ridiculous and awful but saying men in general need it to be that way in order for them to believe her or care. Every time Jordy boy says these things it just reveals more about his own sickness.

@jeffengel2607

Жыл бұрын

These bozos really, REALLY are not good faith advocates for men when their entire message is about how men shouldn't be held to the standards of decent adequately-socialized adults. One's friends do not make one worse.

@immanuelcunt7296

Жыл бұрын

Luckily Jordan didn't make that statement and it's a complete strawman.

@emona

Жыл бұрын

@@immanuelcunt7296 right....I bet no one in the comments section actually watched the podcast. That whole segment was littlerally discussing how the lefts "consent" frame work isn't enough to protect women and is to simplistic of a concept to accurately guide men and women through complex sexual interactions between each other. Women often feel taken advantage of even though the "consent" rule wasn't violated and women have deal with the fall out from that, but of course people hear what they want to hear because it fits the narratives they already have in their heads I guess. Smh.

@emilianosintarias7337

Жыл бұрын

It is horrible, but how is Majority Report any better? They are literally claiming rape is about women and men.

@cleomenes01

Жыл бұрын

Lol did he say that?

His license needs to be revoked fast. Wtf.

@thoticcusprime9309

Жыл бұрын

youre a smooth brain

@DiscoDashco

11 ай бұрын

@@thoticcusprime9309It’s a witty sounding insult, isn’t it? But you don’t get to call others that straight off the bat without any context or direct reason to label someone that. Ad hominems just make you look desperate and you’ve lost any argument when you do. How are they smooth brained?; do you just happen to be a massive fan of JP’s and white knighting for an individual who lacks complete genuine empathy and thus has to fake it as if he does? Because the acts exactly what you come off as here.

@rsr789

10 ай бұрын

@@thoticcusprime9309 Written by someone who can't use proper punctuation.

@PakeezSlayer

9 ай бұрын

Mmm liberal tears

It's appalling that JP even was given a high school diploma let alone awarded any kind of degree. He didn't seem to understand any real basics of human dignity or autonomy.

The "violating the integrity" part is the gross idea that women lose our "value" from sex.

My parents married back in 1966 and one of the things my dad immediately did for my mom was make sure she had a credit card that was SOLELY in HER NAME just in case anything ever happened to him. And as fantastic and caring and noble as that was of him to do because of the time period, it's still ridiculous that HE had to do it for her. Like Sam said, this wasn't THAT long ago!

@GrayYeonWannabe

6 ай бұрын

yup, my mom was a legal adult (19) before women could get their own credit cards/bank accounts. i'm 28. really puts things in perspective

A woman is married to him and that’s truly disturbing.

@afonsodeportugal

10 ай бұрын

She is far happier than you will ever be. How do I know? You swallowed his character assassination without thinking twice!

@PakeezSlayer

9 ай бұрын

And is a man married to you? Highly doubt it. You look highly strung lol

"But this is all compilcated, because it is not obvious to me" is the exact quote Tim Dillon used to make fun of him on Joe Rogan.

@JoseCruz-sm3ed

Жыл бұрын

Yes or yes

Dear Lord he is treating abuse survivors? That's messed up

He's a pro sexual assault advocate. No wonder imcels look up to him.

So he is basically saying honor killings are fine as long as their family commits the crime against them.

JP's voice makes me dryer than the Sahara. I am so triggered.

@waitz001

Жыл бұрын

he's repulsive

@julesmasseffectmusic

Жыл бұрын

You can't be the only one maybe time for a class action lawsuit? That can't be healthy, walking mist be painful.

@ClannCholmain

Жыл бұрын

He’s also the disappointed brother of Kermit the frog. It’s just tragic.

@cageybee1154

Жыл бұрын

Ben Shapiro approves this message. The Daily Wire is causing a drought.

You should listen to his old stuff about women in the workplace. He commented on how women wore lipstick to show arousal. And how basically women working with men at all was the cause of men attacking them at all. It's womens fault for just existing. Men apparently can't control themselves.

@annamari7863

5 ай бұрын

I am reading the book: "Misoginy, the male malady" by David Gilmore and I recognised JPeterson. In the fantasies of misoginysts, women pose a threat on the association of brothers, there is a danger of somehow being "poisoned", "penetrated" "corrupted" by women who drag the man back to a "preexisting and debased substratum" within his own psyche that he suppressed at the demands of patriarchy. The suppression of this substratum was a condition of becoming a hard man. The woman is not merely an enchanter, but a stimulus for the eruption of this suppressed element which is a self betrayal of the man. So what is that substratum? "It is synonymous with the id, base animality, the libido, regressive instincts - that have been suppressed by the masculine discipline. But, more than other people, misoginysts seem to distrust the barriers that men have erected against this primal force." (Gilmore, .....page 139.) Anyone remembering how JP thinks men and women cannot work together because women wear red rouge?" - I commented this under The brief look on JP.

"It's complicated". It's as if JP only had one brain cell that overloads and flashes a blue-screen error every time he has to look outside his fundamentalist and tradicionalist box. Edit to add: he sounds as a total incel.

Jordan Peterson can't help but talk over everyone he's talking with.

@joshhorley2116

Жыл бұрын

I firmly believe that his vacation to Russia was detrimental not to his intellectual capacity per se but more his emotional regulation/social capacity

@duranpredur1098

Жыл бұрын

"over everyone he's talking AT."

@stevenhaas9622

Жыл бұрын

That's because he has the voice of a Vienna Boy's Choir member

@jaynoxjay

Жыл бұрын

@@duranpredur1098 Ya he's being interviewed and won't even let the interviewer finish the question before diving into his narrative about women being property. Smh people actually listen to this guy

@edwardkantowicz4707

Жыл бұрын

Much more so with women. If one pays close enough attention, even those women who would seem to be in partial agreement with him, or apologists for the patriarchy and chauvinists still have their sentences finished by Peterskin. He incessantly interrupts, but more egregious is how he reframes and twists each woman's words to comport with his own twisted ideas and worldview. It would appear he needs agreement and validation 100%, or else he becomes quite hostile. He somehow believes he can speak for a woman's POV more clearly, and concisely. He's insufferable.

"Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them". Margareth Atwood.

@MissSpookyMooky

Жыл бұрын

Very sadly true.

@futurestoryteller

Жыл бұрын

Most men aren't murderers.

@MissSpookyMooky

Жыл бұрын

@@futurestoryteller If the woman doesn't know the man, doesn't know what is in this strangers mind, this means nothing.

@mikearchibald744

Жыл бұрын

@@futurestoryteller That doesn't matter. I remember asking a female friend why when women like sex so much don't they go home more often with guys from bars, and she says you never know what the guy is like. I've had uncomfortable experiences with women but at no time did I EVER feel unsafe. Whereas a woman can feel unsafe just having made a bad choice on going on a date.

@futurestoryteller

Жыл бұрын

@@mikearchibald744 If they were really so discerning "it's not creepy if they're handsome" wouldn't exist. Besides I thought it _was_ a thing that people have sex on first dates now. I get that there's like a six degrees of separation thing; you only need to run into so many guys before you've ran into the worst kind of guy anyway, but isn't this kind of a "learned helplessness" situation, like, I could be wrong about this, but isn't the only woman who escaped from Ted Bundy also the only woman who fought back? Maybe if women are afraid of men, but you're not afraid of women it's not that women have an appropriate level of fear towards men but that you're a bit naive about the likelihood of encountering dangerous women.