If Diogenes was alive today he’d bring a lobster into a Peterson lecture and shout “here is Peterson’s man”

@michaelmagnus3590

5 жыл бұрын

Meh

@gabemote2775

5 жыл бұрын

Eh joke but honestly most likely true and him make fun of every political philosopher,SJW,leftist and conservatives ah man what a true minimalist

@frenchguitarguy1091

5 жыл бұрын

Gabe Mote oh yeah of course, I didn’t say he wouldn’t, but then we are separated by more than 2000 years.

@gabemote2775

5 жыл бұрын

@@frenchguitarguy1091 true culture,society and philosophy have changed alot in 2,000+ years

@theimperfektman

5 жыл бұрын

Diogenes' Soul wouldnt be found faltering on its way if it crossed Peterson's path. I doubt a Man has yet been born of an Honesty that could be lit by his Lantern.

I love how she says that lobsters urinate out of their faces and therefore we can gain no insights from them. Most politicians defecate from their faces too but people persist in voting for them!

@TheTrueforeigner

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥

@ShuggaMug

Жыл бұрын

Holy 🐄 😳🤯😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂!!!

@squamish4244

Жыл бұрын

Lobsters probably feel no pain either...considering how much pain dominates humans, the fact that they don't feel pain probably slightly affects their applicability to humans.

@truxton1000

Жыл бұрын

@@squamish4244 Of course there is LOTS of differences between lobsters and humans, what is interesting is not the differences, but the similarities. But that medicine for depression works on lobsters as well as humans is in fact very interesting. I say that even if I don't know much about other similarities.

@sdrfgt

11 ай бұрын

👏 🔥

"People will sometimes choose an incompetent mate because they're intimidated by competence, and so they'll settle for someone who they don't respect because they feel that they can master them and they won't be intimidated..." This rings a bell for some reason

@Arpad907

4 жыл бұрын

My parents

@antonioalvarado7488

3 жыл бұрын

69th like

@classxero4442

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like me

@11kravitzn

Жыл бұрын

How JP chose his wife.

@jussiesmollet4137

11 ай бұрын

I’ve seen this more than a few times

Her: “My problem with the lobsters is that it’s scientific bollocks” Jordan: 🤨

@KaaaiA322

3 жыл бұрын

I could read the „bitch what“ of his face

@DARKOvibrations

3 жыл бұрын

Haha

@kingplatform2255

Жыл бұрын

Bro, pulled out the Carlo Ancelotti card 😂🤨

@jussiesmollet4137

11 ай бұрын

Lobsters might urinate out of their faces but that woman talks out of her ass.

@Anakin.Skywalker44

8 ай бұрын

But it is 100% bollocks

CRAB PEOPLE, CRAB PEOPLE!

@TheMomocon

4 жыл бұрын

LOOK LIKE CRABS, TALK LIKE PEOPLE CRAAAAAAAAB PEOPLE

@darthutah6649

4 жыл бұрын

crab rave

Everyone gangster till jp goes lobster 🦞 😤

Just imagine those are two lobsters and you will get the idea

@laughingoutloud3713

Жыл бұрын

she's getting lobstred

Jordan: Bitch, I know my neuroscience. Let's go! Put your pincers up, eh! Girl: *Pees out of face*

@SYA357

5 ай бұрын

😀😃😄😆😅😂🤣

The lighting makes Jordan look so sinister 🤣🤣🤣

@quincyames2014

10 ай бұрын

one might say... dominate

I love to hear about the noble lobster...so fascinating.

@EricDec

4 жыл бұрын

makes me hungry tbh

@theshoes7488

4 жыл бұрын

Says in a helicopter of sound, fading in and out...*gaygaygayGAYGAYGaygay*

5:18 When you are thirsty AF but you are scared that the lobster haters want to poison you

@hasanmertsk

4 жыл бұрын

my man said lemme see what y'all put in this bitch

How dare you speak about lobsters like you do, young lady?

bruh he went lobster mode this is so epic

Jordan Peterson is usually vague in his statements in order to always could counterargue that "it's not what he said", lol...

@kevine9474

Жыл бұрын

Its vague to you because you're intellectually incapable. Simple.

I'd love to hear Dr. Robert Sapolsky and Jordan Peterson discuss human/animal behaviour.

@liamadebayor

Жыл бұрын

Sapolsky would fucking eat Peterson. He doesn't believe almost a single thing Jordan says and is much more accomplished.

Most human societies are competence hierarchies, not power hierarchies? Is this guy living under the rock? Today society definitely is not ordered along competence line. Most of historical ones weren't either.

Yes... I definitely need to breathe deeply and seek peace after listening to this woman.

Peterson argues you can look at lobsters and if you anthropomorphize their behavior as affected by serotonin levels, you reveal insight to human behavior, specifically hierarchies. He reiterates that serotonin levels in lobsters and humans is the key underpinning to this argument. To compare lobsters, which don't have anything resembling a human brain (it is more a collection of ganglia than a brain) and their neurological systems to a human one through the lens of serotonin levels, is reductionist to the point of stupidity. The human brain is malleable and plastic; to compare the presence of a nearly universal neurotransmitter from a crustacean to a human is unscientific.

@timothygodden7243

5 жыл бұрын

You're right that the point is reductionist, and absurdly so I would also agree, but really the only point he wishes to make is that hierarchies are biologically underwritten across species (which includes us). The type, range, specific structures, etc., to those hierarchies is a whole different matter; and conflating the inevitability of hierarchies of SOME kind, however flattened they are, to needing an exploitative capitalist power structure is a point people read into this--which I'm fairly sure is calculated---but not literally what he says.

@thk8933

5 жыл бұрын

@@timothygodden7243 I had this precise disagreement with a friend of mine, and I respectfully disagree. I don't think he's merely making a point that hierarchies exist biologically. That is almost self-evident and surely wouldn't require Peterson to concentrate on lobsters as specifically as he does. The interviewer asserts at 2:10 that he is incorrect to link lobsters and their behavior as affected by serotonin levels to human actions and how human actions are affected by serotonin levels. His answer is "of course you can" and I take him at face value. I believe his first chapter of 12 Rules for Life argues along similar lines, but I have yet to rent that book from the library, so I am hesitant to cite something I haven't read for myself. I mention it because I have read several reviews that largely agree that he uses lobsters and serotonin levels to shed light on human hierarchies.

@timothygodden7243

5 жыл бұрын

@@thk8933 I never doubted his actual intention, but your careful review of the video (i.e, 2: 10) makes the case explicitly. I stand corrected.

@thk8933

5 жыл бұрын

@@timothygodden7243 I also think Peterson is too concerned to show that human hierarchies are merely (or overwhelmingly) an effect of biology. I don't want to straw man him here, so I could be overemphasizing that point. But surely it is possible that humans with their malleable, plastic brains and adaptable behavior mechanisms can both have the need for hierarchical structures biologically wired into them yet also socially construct more nuanced and sophisticated hierarchical structures? An appropriate analogy would be that humans are biologically wired for pattern seeking behavior; our species has created tessellation based art and mathematical reasoning as constructs, which are relatively nuanced and sophisticated manifestations of basic pattern seeking behavior.

@thk8933

5 жыл бұрын

@@timothygodden7243 It's refreshing to discuss these matters with someone as lucid as yourself. If you get a chance, I recommend Peterson and Matt Dillahunty debating the role of religion in morality. Peterson argues its necessity; Dillahunty argues for secular humanism.

I like that she used a smart word to try and impress him and then he pretty much defined it, used it in several different ways and also corrected her and told her why it’s wrong 😂

@enriquesuarez7113

Жыл бұрын

What word?😂

@ryanbrough108

Жыл бұрын

@@enriquesuarez7113 bro I couldn’t type it for £100

@enriquesuarez7113

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanbrough108 please I really wanna know hahaha

@ryanbrough108

Жыл бұрын

@@enriquesuarez7113 anthropomorphising but that may be spelled wrong 😂 it’s around 2:50

@enriquesuarez7113

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanbrough108 BRUAH, hahaha. thank you man

impressive how he asserts his dominance over the female by repetedly tricking her into thinking he finished his answer and she can respond and then interrupting her right when she starts talking. very manly indeed

@Jezurielle

5 жыл бұрын

Lmao, I hope you're being sarcastic. It was just annoying.

@Anon1376642

5 жыл бұрын

@Cody Ables *she *him

@sebas8225

5 жыл бұрын

Hey the man´s a lobster afterall! DX

@kj1227icecap

5 жыл бұрын

🤣 I didn't realize it was intentional. Great strategy. He's a beast.

@SellingSouls

4 жыл бұрын

@@Anon1376642 No, he said correct the first time.

5:57 That smile, you sly fox!

I loved the idea of him that while explaining the core idea of that book with an act of powerful opponent to her, so he basically shows the importance and power of competence and at the same time it demonstrates the power of a competent man to the contrary idea of "powerful lobster so powerful human" connotation she mentioned. He is basically proofs it by showing and not just talking about it. 😃

@NickolaiPetrovitch

Жыл бұрын

? He doesn’t let her talk or finish questions the majority of the time, how are we supposed to judge her intelligence ? Not saying anything about his side of the argument. I just don’t think that we can judge hers without hearing what she was trying to get across with the consistent interruption just isn’t logical.

@michaelmcaree6296

Жыл бұрын

You would do well to watch a debate between an atheist and a theist. The twists and turns theists will make is enlightening. Being quick with your practiced point of view does not mean your practiced point of view is correct. Imagine how many people have rehearsed a way to discuss the "natural existence of male-driven human hierarchies" in society using lobsters as "evidence," or considering a social construct like a hierarchy being a "selection pressure" (mad props for dropping science-y terms into a non-scientific argument). She would have been best to steer clear of his madness or maybe not to platform him in the first place.

@HeavyMedal

Жыл бұрын

@Russ Olson He isn't just talking about the book but he is showing it and explaining his actions

@HeavyMedal

Жыл бұрын

@Russ Olson alright, whatever you say

@liamrmorgans921

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcaree6296 you said a whole lot without actually refuting any claims there..

WTF?!!!

LMAO Lobsters!

This whole interview was a lecture about how to own the interviewer with respect and kindness

@NickolaiPetrovitch

Жыл бұрын

How does he show respect and kindness ? He’s raising his voice and interrupting her constantly without letting her finish a question or point consistently

@robbertsprezzatura7220

Жыл бұрын

@@NickolaiPetrovitch that's what you do when you give a very good lecture

@YusufIslam1

10 ай бұрын

​@@NickolaiPetrovitchbecause if you know how to read between the lines she tried to trap him on multiple occasions and she had to get schooled.

@crackthefoundation_

4 ай бұрын

He sounds like a rambling maniac. Only true dullards would find his words at all interesting

I used to think I was smart....then started watching Jordan Peterson KZread videos

@bluebotlivingston6016

4 жыл бұрын

I used to think I was smart, then I started watching Jordan Peterson's lectures and got confirmation of that. He's of course a much skilled orator than I am but I considered and analyzed many of his core concepts long before knowing about his work

@steve1978ger

4 жыл бұрын

In my experience, good educators make you feel smart. Those who leave you feeling stupid tend to have other motives.

@ratas_bailando

3 жыл бұрын

The thing with Peterson is that he has a very broad knowledge of things which support his arguments but if you ask an expert on the topic Peterson is wrong or misrepresenting something essential almost every time

Lobster gang where you at 🦞🦞🦞

"Male Lobsters compete for female lobsters" doesnt that apply to all species. Thats the most basic evolutionary theory.

@partlycurrent

4 жыл бұрын

no, many animals don't compete for mates. or at least not all the time the males compete. the females do that too in certain species

@kleber3782

3 жыл бұрын

No. Study more

@shapowlow

Жыл бұрын

No and neither did the book said it. The book said lobsters fight for dominance not mates. Whoever wins becomes more dominant and therefore gets more mates. She just oversimplified it and totally changed the message.

@loganjackson675

10 ай бұрын

Many male animals compete for dominance and acquire mates based on that. Humans have just evolved to become simps 😂. But in all seriousness, both sexes compete in different ways. Peterson himself had a long discussion with an expert on this (his name escapes me), but take apes or specifically chimps as an example. They have natural hierarchies among the males (and females to an extent), so in a sense they’re “competing” for dominance and with it, their choice of females. But the ones who actually compete for males directly are females, they “present” to higher level males and work their way down as they either are rejected or even are successful. This doesn’t really relate to human sexuality because their females evolved to behave promiscuously, as they mate with as many males as possible due to paternity dynamics and infanticide, whereas human women tend to select for the most competent man they can and stick with him in a single partner. Point being though, in chimps, the ladies hoe around and really are the ones competing for sex. The males get the trickle down effect of this behavior and have less problems finding a mate, whereas with humans, men do have to compete more because of women’s tendency towards valuing a more monogamous sexual strategy

Awesome title! 😀

Will anyone speak up for the krill?

If this woman isn't as dense as she pretends, I commend her on her acting skills. She did the whole thing dead-pan. Bob Balahan, eat your heart out.

@NickolaiPetrovitch

Жыл бұрын

How did you find her dense ? I’m not agreeing or disagreeing I just like to hear other peoples perspectives !i think it’s important for understanding society on a micro and taking combined samples of those answers on a macro scale

@johnr797

Жыл бұрын

​@@NickolaiPetrovitch for what it's worth, it seems like she came into the interview wanting to portray him in a bad light (the actual set lighting suggests that also). When he demonstrated his knowledge she had no fall-back and just shifted the topic whenever he said something consequential. She never really acknowledged what he said, but tried to find a way to use it against him.

@LizaFan

8 ай бұрын

"This woman." Naturally, from the Peterson disciple.

Everytime i enter a company i kept getting promoted cause i never stop lerning everythibg about the work and how to keep improving it. My present boss tried keeping me by paying me way more then his other workers just because of that single fact.

Damn son Jordan went full on Lobster mode!

Boom goes the dynamite. And Peterson is absolutely Dynamite. Some one please throw that poor woman a life line!!!

@thaliagarcia9684

3 жыл бұрын

He is a grifter, and full of shit... to the point where he is nearly drowning in it... literally..

@catalinalongoria2514

Жыл бұрын

No lifeline. She's useless.

GQ isn't kind enough to refill his glass

Did she really argue "well if so many people misunderstand it maybe you are being stupid"

@seal869

3 жыл бұрын

Seems that she was arguing that if many people come to a similar conclusion about what you're saying, and you deny you're saying that, maybe you're not communicating it clearly

She had no idea she knew so little and so much that wasn't true.

@bengrindell7693

8 ай бұрын

Trying to explain complications to any feminist is essentially a waste of time!!!

@Christobanistan

8 ай бұрын

@@bengrindell7693IT's the problem the left faces with no one challenging them anymore for decades now on college campuses. Their idea have become incredibly dumbed down and awful because they never hear other points of view. So they just get dumber and more authoritarian.

Her best one was "But they urinate out of their faces". Idiocy does not discriminate.

@SNlPER27

Жыл бұрын

Whats her point exactly? And we shit out of our ass. ???

Everything was okay, I just didn't need to see the channel owner quarter naked

"People will sometimes choose an incompetent mate because they're intimidated by competence, and so they'll settle for someone who they don't respect because they feel that they can master them and they won't be intimidated... -"Why dating as a Youth is so strange and confusing all the gals are looking for the guys with the highest marks in competency right?

When he picked the cup up I feared for her life.

@kevine9474

Жыл бұрын

What?

@orilion1820

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@mindmazebeats3568

Жыл бұрын

Haha A little yea..

M i the only person who is still trying to figure out that what hierarchy means ?

@samspence6133

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

Thought he was going to smash that cup on her forehead..... 😂🤣😅🤣😂

He is magneto

@oscarclaudio2848

4 жыл бұрын

He's an Idiot

@hansvon8609

4 жыл бұрын

Oscar Claudio 28 Only because you’re a simp.

2:32 let's play neurochemistry

lets go all neurochemistry on this shit shall we!

This chick thinks that because he disagrees, he doesn't know what he's talking about. The nerve.

I'm hungry for lobster now

@joshuasmith5058

4 жыл бұрын

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@immarktbeipenny

3 жыл бұрын

Lobsters are too beautiful too be eaten

The lobster is bullocks, just search it up smh

She needs to spend more time in nature to understand all animals has hierarchical structures.

@heavendraper8196

10 ай бұрын

Actually human beings have a conscious that distinguishes us from the animal world. 🤯 Just because you don't have one doesn't mean we have to live by your ooga booga ideology.

"Can I talk?" - reporter

she got COOKED

Loads of people out here trying to talk down to a guy who went to schooling for clinical phycology and think they know more about the human psyche then Peterson. It makes me laugh that the woke generation is only proving his point as they get emotional when the facts are said out loud.

@prauslikeabossmatteosminds374

Жыл бұрын

Even if it was a valid comparison in terms of similar biological functioning (say, humans to primate behavior or physiology) this implies we're supposed to look to the natural world where "survival of the fittest" is the rule of law. Social darwinism is not going to advance the human species beyond a basic drive to dominate others and control. Is this the kind of world we want to live in? Maybe in Jordan Peterson's mind, yes. But, that's another story altogether. Even if we found hierarchical behavior in other species that are closely related to humans, that doesn't make it okay to justify human hierarchies that could be based on keeping others in subservient positions (no right to vote, no right to run for office, etc.). Jordan seems to be implying that humans should model their behavior after animals instead of seeking higher ideals. This kinda reminds me of phrenology and other forms of scientific racism aimed at showing that, based on certain biological features, Whites are more evolved than other races. Even if this were remotely true that, because of migration patterns and climate, Europeans and Asians, may have been forced to adapt and evolve to meet the demands of harsher climates and various other challenges due to migration out of our motherland (Africa), it still doesn't justify any form of behavior that seeks to keep others down and take advantage of others (think, the slave trade in the Americas) in order to benefit ourselves... that's immoral, plain and simple. Life is about lifting others up with us when we're advantaged. To elevate humankind beyond these basic biological drives is the new morality that Jesus Christ and other important historical figures sought to offer this world. The "Word of God" is love of our brothers & sisters, not using others' vulnerabilities as stepping stones to get an advantage.

@kalebsmith3179

Жыл бұрын

@@prauslikeabossmatteosminds374 Affirmative action programs keep others down. Marginal tax brackets seek to take advantage of others and bring them down.

@prauslikeabossmatteosminds374

Жыл бұрын

@@kalebsmith3179 I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this Kaleb. If it's a discussion that you're interested in, I need more than what you're puttin down.

@kalebsmith3179

Жыл бұрын

@@prauslikeabossmatteosminds374 I'm saying socialism/communism brings people down. Capitalism lets people rise. Sure some stay down but at no fault than their own.

@prauslikeabossmatteosminds374

Жыл бұрын

@@kalebsmith3179 Not only is this a basic this-or-that statement/argument, it's also a highly inaccurate generalization that cannot see the nuances and variables that challenge the statement. Look up "Market Socialism" and discover a new way that neither condemns nor blames capitalism, but acknowledges its problems such as the exploitation and irresponsibilities of owners who squander wealth from tax cuts as a form of potential easy money (stock market risk) rather than contributing and investing into the workers' well-being and their businesses' infrustructure from the ground up.

He's a Deep One. In the Innsmouth sense.

@seal869

3 жыл бұрын

Puts foot deep Inn'smouth every time he pretends to know neuroscience

@kevine9474

Жыл бұрын

@@seal869 You clearly don't know neuroscience because you can't use your brain to spell correctly in the first place.

She (like many feminist "journalists" who try this on Dr. P) got SMOKED.

tnis lady !! lolz

Jp is ready to physically fight this chick

@iulian9072

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

what about female lobsters? i am a fighting female lobster. do i outrank male lobster that lost then 🤔😂

@kevine9474

Жыл бұрын

You'll never be as strong as an actual man, but sure go beat up men with high estrogen levels.

Now heres a woman i would eventually flip off. Never been to a cool persons party.

This is what running circles around someone looks like.

Comparing lobster behaviour and human behaviour and how it is affected by certain substances is a very reductionist approach. One could argue that it is so reductionist that it offers very little relevance. Additionally, anthropomorphizing non-human animal species - especially invertebrates like lobsters - is highly unscientific. I doubt that there are many zoologists out there who would argue that anthropomorphizing animals is a good way to understand their behaviour or draw parallels to human behaviour. It is absolutely not. But even if social hierarchies were natural and biologically determined (which they likely are). This doesn't imply that social hierarchies are a good thing or shouldn't be overcome. That would be an appeal to nature which is a well-known fallacy in ethics (e.g. "X is good because X is natural. Y is bad because Y is unnatural.")

Larry the lobster. NO FUCKING WAY

How I be when someone touches my lobster. 🦞

1) "Imaginative word-association can be a powerful alternative to rational argument. When reading a philosophical text, don't ask yourself whether the argument is valid or not, but ask yourself, 'what dangerous message' could this text possibly perpetuate when read by an asshole hell-bent on justifying totalitarian ideals?"- unknown. 2)"... is scientifically bollocks." - Hostess. ".. I know my neuro chemistry... Anthropomorphising is a reasonable tactic, unless you've a strong reason to doubt it. " - JBP.

She must have felt like a complete fool after that interview.

Wow

So it’s not bollocks!

@thaliagarcia9684

3 жыл бұрын

It is bollocks, it's social darwinism which is pseudoscience, or bollocks speaking in everyday language.

It wasn’t a rock… it was a rock… LOBSTER!!! Ahhhhhhhh ahhhhh ahhhh ahhhh! Rock lobster

Is he really claiming that you can extrapolate hierachical societal structures from lobsters to humans? That goes against what he says himself. How are lobster and humans anywhere closely related?

@regeman100

4 жыл бұрын

he said that hierarchy commanded by neurobiology exists in lobster, that hasnt change that much for 400milion years, he said it as a proof that hierarchy is not a social construct and it exists for long time. We are not closely related to lobsters, but according to Peterson we also have hierarchy commanded by neurobiology, partialy by serotonin. He doesnt really say that we are like lobsters or that we are similar in a great extent, but thats not the message he intended to contain in his book or in this interview.

@partlycurrent

4 жыл бұрын

@@regeman100 you can't compare hierarchies in Lobsters and humans. Our hierarchies obviously aren't the same as 100k years ago, nor are they the same as 100 years ago. That's a false equivalence by so far. If we had a hierarchy that was decided by neurobiology, then why did it change so many times? Shouldn't it be always the same in all humans ever?

@regeman100

4 жыл бұрын

@@partlycurrent 1) you can compare hierarchies, its always good to compare, when you compare you learn about things you compare, but as i said Peterson used it as example that hierarchies exist for long time and are not social construct 2) Because neurobiology dictates how we perceive and react to things (on most basic instinct level). So quesion is what do you mean when you say the same. Here Peterson addressed only one chemical compound called serotonin, and he said that it works similar in lobsters and in humans. 3) you ask question that require more knowledge than i have, but im quite sure that peterson clarified this in his book or that he would answer your question on his live

@thaliagarcia9684

3 жыл бұрын

@@regeman100 He doesn't clarify anything, he uses pseudoscience or social darwinism to justify his ideologies and politics.

@kevine9474

Жыл бұрын

@@partlycurrent He doesn't say they are the same, but simply, has a lot of similarities.

This title tho

Theirs no continuity because unlike lobsters we can choose to not be dominate lobsters cant

"continuity" is not similarity, any behavioral/Darwinian biologist would crush his simplistic analogies....

You want lobsters?

COMPETENCE !

What if they are rock lobsters

@TruthArrows

4 жыл бұрын

We were at a party His ear lobe fell in the deep Someone reached in and grabbed it It was a ROCK LOBSTAHHH! Motion in the ocean His air hose broke Lots of trouble Lots of bubble ROCK LOBSTAHH! Ironically fitting actually lol

Peterson makes an effort to correlate ideas that can be completely different in nature to try to give order to people. Because if you look at reality it's completely dull/ depressing. He's promoting hierarchies and religion and social constructs because he knows without those humanity would be a lot more depressed..I don't agree with him but I understand what he's trying to do.

@goranmilic442

4 жыл бұрын

There are millions of species. For every social, economic and political system people find justification in animal kingdom, slavery, feudalism, monarchy, capitalism, socialism... and say it's natural. For racial and sex inequality there was an explanation it was natural. You can find examples for sex equality or sex inequality. Whatever somebody stands for, it's a stupid argument. Just like evolution, capitalism is the most efficient system in total. But, just like evolution, it only works for small percent of population and, again, just like evolution, it brings suffering and death to the rest.

@prauslikeabossmatteosminds374

Жыл бұрын

And even if it was a valid comparison in terms of similar biological functioning (say, humans to primate behavior or physiology) this implies we're supposed to look to the natural world where "survival of the fittest" is the rule of law. Social darwinism is not going to advance the human species beyond a basic drive to dominate others and control. Is this the kind of world we want to live in? Maybe in Jordan Peterson's mind, yes. But, that's another story altogether. Even if we found hierarchical behavior in other species that are closely related to humans, that doesn't make it okay to justify human hierarchies that could be based on keeping others in subservient positions (no right to vote, no right to run for office, etc.). Jordan seems to be implying that humans should model their behavior after animals instead of seeking higher ideals. This kinda reminds me of phrenology and other forms of scientific racism aimed at showing that, based on certain biological features, Whites are more evolved than other races. Even if this were remotely true that, because of migration patterns and climate, Europeans and Asians, may have been forced to adapt and evolve to meet the demands of harsher climates and various other challenges due to migration out of our motherland (Africa), it still doesn't justify any form of behavior that seeks to keep others down and take advantage of others (think, the slave trade in the Americas) in order to benefit ourselves... that's immoral, plain and simple. Life is about lifting others up with us when we're advantaged. To elevate humankind beyond these basic biological drives is the new morality that Jesus Christ and other important historical figures sought to offer this world. The "Word of God" is love of our brothers & sisters, not using others' vulnerabilities as stepping stones to get an advantage.

"if so many people made the same apprehension" piss off you're all on the same damn subreddit.

This lady is in such deep water. She's in way over her head and she can't swim 😆

Even if it was a valid comparison in terms of similar biological functioning (say, humans to primate behavior or physiology) this implies we're supposed to look to the natural world where "survival of the fittest" is the rule of law. Social darwinism is not going to advance the human species beyond a basic drive to dominate others and control. Is this the kind of world we want to live in? Maybe in Jordan Peterson's mind, yes. But, that's another story altogether. Even if we found hierarchical behavior in other species that are closely related to humans, that doesn't make it okay to justify human hierarchies that could be based on keeping others in subservient positions (no right to vote, no right to run for office, etc.). Jordan seems to be implying that humans should model their behavior after animals instead of seeking higher ideals. This kinda reminds me of phrenology and other forms of scientific racism aimed at showing that, based on certain biological features, Whites are more evolved than other races. Even if this were remotely true that, because of migration patterns and climate, Europeans and Asians, may have been forced to adapt and evolve to meet the demands of harsher climates and various other challenges due to migration out of our motherland (Africa), it still doesn't justify any form of behavior that seeks to keep others down and take advantage of others (think, the slave trade in the Americas) in order to benefit ourselves... that's immoral, plain and simple. Life is about lifting others up with us when we're advantaged. To elevate humankind beyond these basic biological drives is the new morality that Jesus Christ and other important historical figures sought to offer this world. The "Word of God" is love of our brothers & sisters, not using others' vulnerabilities as stepping stones to get an advantage.

@truxton1000

Жыл бұрын

You are totally insane if you think humans «can progress» beyond natural instincts that is the base of all of humanity and animals too. It’s like communism, total utopia.

He keeps putting words in other peoples mouths, and having an invisible enemy.

Clearly, hierarchy based on competence explains why Donald Trump is president of the US (and Theresa May, and David Cameron before her, UK prime ministers).

@Mambo9000012

5 жыл бұрын

Conservatives told you many times over that democracy can't by itself guarantee competency precisely because not all votes are and should be equal.

@kamibito

5 жыл бұрын

Incompetent people elected an incompetent leader. :)

Is he saying that hierarchy is a biological concept? Wtf,....

Pwned

Seems like good ol' JP can't even content with what he's saying even within a 7 minute time period. So what the study he's citing in his book is saying is, that increased serotonin levels correlate with changes in motivation, agression and behaviour but it affects different types of animals very differently. Lobsters naturally aren't a very social species, they pretty much only socialize when it comes to mating or dominance fights, so increased serotonin levels cause an increase in aggression and motivation to fight. Humans on the other hand are very social creatures, which exhibit a wide range of different social interactions. Increased serotonin levels cause an increase in motivation and discoursive dominance but actually less aggression, as well as a general upswing in mood. So yeah the basic effect of serotonin is quite similar but the actual outcome varies a lot. Still, JP desperately tries to equate these two. That is because he wants to legitimize his claim, that hierarchies are not only good and necessary for humans survival and wellbeing, he goes so far as to say our brains somehow are neurologically "hardwired" to work best in strict hierarchical social orders. this is flawed on so many levels. Firstly, his choice of the lobster is completely arbitrary and he even admits, that he only chose the lobster because it confirms his own beliefs. Also he actually gets called out for it by the woman but chooses to not engage. Then, there's the issue, that he makes the arguement that humans supposed affinity for hierarchy is evident in lobster's affinity for it, despite both being far apart evolutionarily speaking, but hierarchies set up by humans are completely different from the ones, lobsters set up. He even admits to that, so according to him, hierarchies specific to humans and lobsters respectively are too different to assert that human hierarchies may also be based on power and oppression, but apparently they are similar enough to assert that lobsters, humans as well as all living things related are "hardwired" to set up their societies in strict hierarchies? How does that make any sense. He just wants to have it both ways and distorts the facts to suit his own subjective belief system. This gets really apparent in the last section. He wants to preserve hierarchies, he deems good and appropriate and can't stand the idea many left leaning academics propose, namely that many hierarchies may be either completely constructed through social mechanisms or at least artificially inflated to serve the interests of specific people. That's why this lobster stuff he always puts forth is so ltransparently ideologically driven. He doesn't care about thruth or scientific/philosophical inquiry, he just wants to have his worldview to get confirmed.

what the fuck is happening

nice MGTOW philosophy 1:06

@amarylliscobain

4 жыл бұрын

MGTOW?

@stephenrochester6309

3 жыл бұрын

@@amarylliscobain Men go their own way. Some form of divisive ideology that seems to resonate with Peterson fans.

This is the problem of doing interviews. You have to step down to their level & answer their loaded questions. But he wants to make money off of his fame, so, he has to deal with this. Imo, real intellect is in making changes that define the generations, not writing some edgy book & making money off of it. While, the lobster stuff is silly, Jordan easily is smarter than the emotionally driven silly woman interviewing him.

Lobsters have a basic nervous system more akin to insects than mammals. Our closest relative the Bonobo has no detectable hierarchy. We have much more advanced brains but unfortunately they have conditioned thought & behaviour reinforced by such people as Peterson. Many species are structured on power but others use various displays to impress. Some just surround a female hoping to get close, many mammals have a bone in their penis to scoop out a previous mates sperm. Even in violent hierarchies like lions the female will sneak off to a younger male. Antidepressants that increase serotonin do not cure depression, initially it may feel worse & the depression often returns when they are stopped. They cause various symptoms which go away after a few weeks & if stopped abruptly the symptoms can be horrific. I knew a nurse with bad depression who reduced pills too quickly & I saw a big change in her behaviour, I reported it but sadly no action was taken & she took her life in the most terrible way possible. People are attracted to others for many reasons eg personality, brains & beauty, all those I know who married a man for the competence to provide are unhappy. According to a poll 50% of Americans between 16 & 23 believe in democratic socialism which is not Marxism, primarily to justified mistrust of the government which has been corrupt: Nixon, Clinton, Trump, & Biden all being examples of dishonesty & fail to increase employment. They look at the success of liberal values of Scandinavian capitalist socialism & compare it to the immense disparity of wealth in their society. It is pure common sense that human hierarchies are constructs or they would all be the same & humans are evidently malleable due to propaganda; we see this both in Russia & America. This makes post modernist skepticism healthy enquiry..

Forget about argument. Jordan gives respect to interviewer.

Why does this exist

Every time me she tries to talk he interrupts lmfao

@jackwillmore2319

4 жыл бұрын

It's because she has nothing of originality or honesty to contribute to the conversation. Listen to it again.

@thisismyname5657

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackwillmore2319 CONSIDER LOBSTERS

@partlycurrent

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackwillmore2319 If you have respect for people, you don't cut them off. Period. Thats not how you treat people.

@pumpkinpie2002

4 жыл бұрын

partlycurrent , ordinarily that is true. However this interview was picked by her and her crew in their own backyard and Peterson said that she was hostile to him before the interview ever started, so he knew what he was getting into. She is a classic feminist in that she never listens with the idea of learning anything and uses a discredited ideology with the belief that she is clever and needs to defend women. You shouldn’t be an apologist for her. She is a non-grower.

@partlycurrent

4 жыл бұрын

@@pumpkinpie2002 She is a classic feminist in that she never listens with the idea of learning anything and uses a discredited ideology with the belief that she is clever and needs to defend women. You shouldn’t be an apologist for her. She is a non-grower. What the fuck does that mean? Come on dude, that is really your argument? That's even worse than JPs usage of the term marxists :D and he uses that like it means anybody left of the GOP

Breathe deep think peace I like it

Journalist tries to take on a scientist at science!!!! Wow!!!

@ceeemm1901

Жыл бұрын

You mean the guy that knows all about biochemistry and doesn't know that tranqs are addictive.....

He certainly wasnt all that fired-up when Žižek KOd him stiff last weekend.

@gluemoae

5 жыл бұрын

No. Dominated lobster.

@f4ust85

5 жыл бұрын

@@gluemoae Peterson is a typical middle class father who preaches at home about order, hierarchy and manliness with a ruler up his arse, but every time he encounters someone naturally self-confident, relaxed and talented, who reminds him of his anxieties and inferiority complex, he will crumble and act like the little betamale he is...

@andy47456

5 жыл бұрын

@@f4ust85 He annihilated that deranged woman, sorry BA.

@goranmilic442

4 жыл бұрын

@@f4ust85 Peterson got famous because he often confronts those left-wingers who are not at his level. To win an argument doesn't necessary mean your side is the correct side, sometimes it just means you're better at debating.

@f4ust85

4 жыл бұрын

@@goranmilic442 Yep, and his best scalps are local news anchors. When he faces a real marxist scholar, he gets rag-dolled and ends up with his tail between his legs, looking up to him with dog-like admiration in his eyes. So much for being alpha.

American bald eagles are monogamous, and their male/female dichotomy is co-operative.

kermit

At the end there is this one thing that Peterson doesnt understand and i do. I know exactly why social constructionists do this.

@armando5718

4 жыл бұрын

Could you say why they do it? I have my theorist too

different intellectual flight levels…as useful as a competition between professional athletes and amateurs

This woman got ROASTED like corn on the cob on the 4th of July

This guy is a legend I'm glad I found him , I've struggled for years why things offend my character, an it's true we are like lobsters we are just animals fighting a constant battle for an evolutionary purpose

@summanus4437

5 жыл бұрын

Humans are nothing like lobsters. At all.

@kevine9474

Жыл бұрын

@@summanus4437 When you're too dumb to think inside the body.

@pleasestop5643

10 ай бұрын

Jesus Christ. There is no simpler way I can say this. Humans do not have social structures analogous to fucking lobsters. Please shut up.

@DavidGraeberWasRight

8 ай бұрын

Thats your mistake then. Evolution has no "purpose", its blind.