Johnny Bench: Pete Rose Shouldn't Be in the Baseball Hall of Fame | The Dan Patrick Show | 7/17/18
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Johnny Bench explains to Dan Patrick why he doesn't believe his former teammate Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.
Johnny Bench explains to Dan Patrick why he doesn't believe his former teammate Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.
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Doesn’t really matter if they hang a plaque on a wall somewhere for Rose, his name will live on forever as one of the greatest of all time.
@MountainFisher
4 жыл бұрын
Greatest what? He had a chance, the FBI said they'd drop his back taxes and get the NJ mobsters to forgive his $500,000 debt to them, but Rose said no, he was too big. Giamatti dropped the hammer on him, he went to prison for tax evasion and was banned forever from MLB. Worse than that, to pay his debt to the Mob he financed cocaine deals. Here is the Commissioner's report, long read. www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/03/21/rose-investigator-pete-belong-game/25112355/ Everybody bent over backwards to save the face of baseball, he refused. Do you you support that?
@tinyman520
4 жыл бұрын
Mountain Fisher I never said he was a hero, I never said he wasn’t a gambler, I never said he conducted himself like an angel. Really I’m no big Rose fan. Regardless of his actions he is still one of the “greatest” hitters to ever live. He played baseball to win. There is nothing he can do or anyone can say to deny this.
@coronaflo
4 жыл бұрын
@@tinyman520 O.J. Simpson was a great football player too but don't think anyone is going to be putting up a plaque for him and he was acquitted.
@andrewavila5757
3 жыл бұрын
Yup, people should continue to talk about him. Especially to the next generation
@ronbonora7872
3 жыл бұрын
I agree!
Lmao the second they mention or start to mention Hall of Fame, guys like Bench already start rolling their eyes because they know where the interview is going, especially about Rose.
@RedroomStudios
10 ай бұрын
Bench needs to get over it.
@ericvon2561
10 ай бұрын
@@RedroomStudios Agreed
@billsmith6309
10 ай бұрын
@@RedroomStudios Bench was an honorable player who did nothing to hurt the game. Pete Rose not so much and he feels baseball owes him something. Grew up in Cincinnati watching these guys play and would always run into them around town all the time. Pete Rose was the only one who would never sign anything the rest of them would sit and chat and sign whatever you wanted. Pete Rose is an ass hat of a person.
@RedroomStudios
10 ай бұрын
@@billsmith6309 so you are using your own personal animus against him as the measuring stick... I dont care about him as a person. the HOF is about recognizing accomplishments on the field. the guy is the all time hits leader in the game. for him to not be represented in the Hall is beyond ridiculous. and if I was Rose I would think the game owed me something too with the stats he has.
@EarthtonesCymbals
7 ай бұрын
He is in the Gambling Hall of Fame though. @@RedroomStudios
Pete Rose has such a legacy that it wouldn’t matter if he were inducted into the Hall of Fame.
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
@James Ratliff It would be nothing like Kareem. Kareem never disgraced his sport so why would he not be in the NBA Hall of Fame? The only thing in the NBA you can compare Pete Rose to that would make sense is Tim Donaghy.
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
@James Ratliff Baseball has integrity for keeping Rose and Bonds out thus proving they can't be compared to wrestling. Rose committed the cardinal sin and baseball already had a poster boy if anyone else tried it. Everyone knew what the punishment would be and it was clearly written. It wouldn't have surprised me if someone that was barely on a roster tried to bet, but the hit king doing it just proves how arrogant he is and to deny it for years rather than take the deals that were handed to him even before the investigation makes it one of the worst stories in the hi story of all sports. He could have avoided going to jail if he just took the deal, but somehow he thought he could lie and deny it forever. I guarantee if he made the hall 5 years afterwards, he would have never confessed to anything. He still denies things that the evidence clearly points out. Keeping him on the permanently ineligible list is the only decision in the last 40 years that baseball has gotten right.
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
@James Ratliff Kareem never broke a rule that states if you break it you will be banned for life. Pete Rose did.
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
@James Ratliff I'm caught up in the fact that this was a Pete Rose discussion about him being banned from baseball for gambling on the Reds. The investigation didn't span all the years of his career. Once they could validate the claims made by his bet runners, they didn't go much further than that. However, years later it was discovered that they had evidence Rose did in fact bet on baseball while he was a player manager. Regardless, whether his playing days were over or not, he broke Rule 21 and he knew what the punishment would be. He will never get into the Hall, but Kareem proudly sits in the NBA Hall of Fame for not breaking any rules.
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
@James Ratliff It's wrestling. Who cares? The whole thing is a total scripted show. Major sports can't script Willie Mays' catch in the World Series. They can't script Derek Jeter's play against the A's. Wrestling is all scripted, all steroids, all made up. Vince McMahon was the freaking owner when he was "just the announcer". That's how scripted the entire thing is. They are great at it. Are the wrestlers athletes. Sure they are but comparing their Hall of Fame to anything else is quite ridiculous. There is NO softening towards Pete. He still denies some of the stuff he did even though it's all documented so there's no commissioner in their right mind that will bend on him. The Hall would have to modify their rule because MLB is definitely not changing their stance in our lifetime.
They should really induct Joe Jackson posthumously. I know he may have had knowledge of the Black Sox scandal, but the dude hit .375 for the series, had the most RBI's, and even hit the only HR in the series. He maintained his innocence in his career, and at this point, I really think it's long overdue to enshrine Jackson in the HOF.
@kidzbop38isstraightfire92
11 ай бұрын
Agreed...but I also think Rose should be in...I just don't understand how mistakes for part of their career defines their entire career.
@bauerj3398
11 ай бұрын
“When a Cincinnati player would bat a ball out in my territory I’d muff it if I could-that is, fail to catch it. But if it would look too much like crooked work to do that, I’d be slow and make a throw to the infield that would be short. My work netted the Cincinnati team several runs that they never would have had if we had been playing on the square.” -sworn testimony by Joe Jackson
@bauerj3398
11 ай бұрын
and more....“And I’m going to give you a tip. A lot of these sporting writers that have been roasting me have been talking about the third game of the World’s Series being square. Let me tell you something. The eight of us did our best to kick it and little Dick Kerr won the game by his pitching. Because he won it, those gamblers double crossed us because we double crossed them.”
@charlesm7589
10 ай бұрын
Stats aren't everything.
@charlesm7589
10 ай бұрын
@kidzbop38isstraightfire92 If you were a model citizen and good neighbor right up until the caught you robbing a charity fund, do you think they should give you the keys to the city and make you Man of the Year after you serve your time?
So all of Pete's records and all of Pete's meorabellia can get in the Hall, but the man himself cannot? It's the hypocracy of the situation.
@AV57
5 жыл бұрын
The_Alaskan_Yeti, what exactly do you think is hypocritical there?
@j.jester7821
4 жыл бұрын
The MLB continues to make money on Pete Rose and the owners still make tons of money from the gambling industry. MLB is not subject to the same laws as any other big business.
@ariesradke6193
4 жыл бұрын
all that matters is his records. the hall of fame is overrated.
@benmiddleton9984
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Not to mention baseball being allowed to gamble nowadays on games
@wvu05
3 жыл бұрын
@mksrookies The punishment was not established until after he accepted the ban.
This is an important point made by Bench. Gambling got him suspended, but his lack of contrition and continued lies made the ban permanent. I was 10 at the time of the scandal. 10 year old me thought it was all a misunderstanding or that he was framed because the great Pete Rose said he "didn't bet on baseball or Cincinnati Red's baseball". Then decades later he comes out with a book to make money off the fact that he did bet on baseball. And this followed years after making money playin the part of a martyr... No. You don't get to get into the HOF. It's not the initial lie or sin. It is the continued failure to make amends except for when it was in his own self interest
@Brotherken1234
Жыл бұрын
Bingo. You just nailed it! 👍
@philherrick7319
5 ай бұрын
Sometimes people are just too stubborn for their own good. He DID have a path to the HOF and he stubbornly refused it.
I grew up a Dodgers fan and I EFFING HATED the Reds during the 70s, but I and a lot of my friends had a ton of respect for Johnny Bench. He was the greatest.
@kylel6924
Жыл бұрын
That picture of him holding SEVEN baseballs in ONE hand is potentially the most riveting baseball photos of all time in my opinion.
@steveortiz2310
Жыл бұрын
Bench was the greatest catcher I have ever seen .
@someparts
Жыл бұрын
After Pete Rose, the greatest.
@someparts
Жыл бұрын
Pete's not a catcher, I realize..
@paolo-n2000
Жыл бұрын
I am A Dodger fan and watching Pete Rose play baseball at Dodger Stadium in the 70s & 80s was awesome. Charlie Hustle!!!
Pete had a gambling problem, that spilled over into his job later in life. The hall of Fame would be nice, but his stats speaks for itself. More hits than any player in the history of the game. He's in his own hall of Fame, that's good enough and maybe even better. Pete Rose doesn't need the Baseball Hall of Fame. They need him, because it's not truly a Hall of Fame without him.
@user-ck9db6yz8s
11 ай бұрын
Bullshit.
@Rspenesmit
10 ай бұрын
He is a Cheater, he gambled on the game as a Player & a Manager, 1 Rule in Baseball, Don't gamble on it.
@jonlanier_
10 ай бұрын
@@Rspenesmit He only got caught.... many many players bet on baseball.
@calcio23
10 ай бұрын
Bullshit
@stms4411
10 ай бұрын
Calling BS. I think PR should be inducted for the fans and he should not get to participate in the ceremony or gain entrance to the building - ever. Having said that, his absence from the HoF doesn’t diminish it to the point of irrelevance. Not even close. On a semi related note, they should stop this stupid crap about Bonds, McGwire, A-Rod etc. if PEDs were pervasive in the sport (which most people agree was the case), then suspected users would have to pass the test of all HoF nominees, namely: do they stand a cut above those in their era? In other words, was Bonds better than the juiced pitcher he faced or the juiced OFer that tried to catch his line drive to the gap (or who watched his ball fly over the wall)? Answer is “yes”, definitively so!
Pete rose should be in the hall. 100%
@ashleyp3662
5 жыл бұрын
He cant be in the hall of fame thats like saying go ahead cheat its ok
@boffo63
5 жыл бұрын
He is, he's all over it. He has around 15 items and pictures in it.
@boffo63
5 жыл бұрын
Keeping him out is like saying "make a mistake and you get the death penalty' He's been punished enough
@rcdogmanduh4440
5 жыл бұрын
He will be in sadly after he dies!
@idk9276
4 жыл бұрын
ashley pyatt oh like all those PED users still being on the ballot 🧐
You'd never know he was banned if you're familiar with vintage baseball card prices.
@FISHH00KS
Ай бұрын
(Which I have several PR cards)
Don't really matter if he's not in the hall . His 4000+ hits are legendary..And will never be broken .
“Wanna bet I’ll get in?” - Pete Rose
@rickb.9067
3 жыл бұрын
LOL
@adamdorgant9454
3 жыл бұрын
@@rickb.9067 You’re right about that!!!!
@michaelquinn9320
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@oldmanofcotati
3 жыл бұрын
Rose is already in. All time hits record.
@cruzer23gonzalez67
3 жыл бұрын
He will get in but sad part is it will be when he passes away!!sucks cuz he probably the best hitter of all time
I have FOUR kids and I show them videos on Pete Rose and say “This is how you play.” He bet to WIN! He’s guilty of being a cocky SOB. His own Boss. Thank you Mr.Rose!
@TheBatugan77
5 жыл бұрын
Don't show them any videos of him during his off time.
@Julio-mo9im
5 жыл бұрын
Juan Vargas hell yeah he played the game the way it should he played
@curtisdavies585
5 жыл бұрын
What about the games he didn't bet on? Did that tell the gamblers that he thought the Reds were going to lose that night? It's more complex than you make it out to be.
@curtisdavies585
5 жыл бұрын
And to all of you people saying how great Pete Rose was. Yes he's leader in lifetime hits. I ask you to be honest, if you were making up the top nine players of your all time All-Star team Pete Rose wouldn't be on it. If you disagree with me tell me what position he would play? Third base , well I will take George Brett and Mike Schmidt ahead of Pete Rose and that's just off the top of my head. The outfield no fucking chance. First base, Gehrig, Frank Thomas, Albert Pujols, might have something to say about that. Also there's a chance Joe Morgan or Johnny Bench would be on that team.
@Julio-mo9im
5 жыл бұрын
Curtis Davies hahaha you put Frank Thomas name in front of Pujols😂😂😂😂😂
When Pete showed up in Philly last year and told a TV audience in Philly that he knew John Kruk when he had two balls, that kinda sealed the deal for Pete not getting into the Hall.
@johnnymcdingus465
16 күн бұрын
lol what a savage... certainly in poor taste, but nonetheless irrelevant to his career as a player... low-hanging fruit, but if someone like kanye west can still be allowed to live among us, much less still have a career (rather than strapped to a UN rocket and launched directly into the sun for the good of mankind)... then there's certainly no reason Pete Rose can't be in the hall of fame...
Betting for yourself is a lot different than betting against yourself in my opinion
@denistuohy2535
3 жыл бұрын
The issue with that is the fact that literally the year after he stopped managing, his team won the World Series in a sweep so it looks even worse because people felt that he was betting against his team for more money. Personally I don’t think that but I do understand where it’s coming from
@charlesm7589
2 жыл бұрын
It might be, but that's not an exception to the MLB betting rules. AND HE BROKE THOSE RULES. Then he lied for years and years and years.
@mycartel39
2 жыл бұрын
You can bet on yourself and still hurt your team. For instance, pitching matchups and bullpen management. You go all out on the games that you've bet on yourself and then you leave your team depleted for the rest of the series
@whitefangzssss
2 жыл бұрын
@@mycartel39 yep. Great example of how problematic it is
@bauerj3398
2 жыл бұрын
Daniel McGarel: The problem with that, in respect to Rose, is that he most likely did both. Giamatti felt he had enough to make the case, and ended the Dowd investigation. But Dowd felt pretty sure that Rose bet against the Reds, and that if he was allowed to continue, he would have shown that.
Pete Rose was an outstanding player
@NortonsNestMonthly
2 жыл бұрын
That's not the point.
@ozzymorrison8628
2 жыл бұрын
@@NortonsNestMonthly that's exactly the FN POINT
@username-zj9id
2 жыл бұрын
@@ozzymorrison8628 I don't think anyone questions that he should be in based on his ability. He's not in because of the gambling and lying about for so long, not because he wasn't a good enough player
@snave59
Жыл бұрын
@@ozzymorrison8628 No it's not! He broke the cardinal rule of major league baseball.You can't bet on the games.It's posted in every clubhouse.He broke the rule.Then he lied about it for years,before finally admitting it.
@adamdorgant9454
Жыл бұрын
@@snave59 Yes, now that you mentioned it!!!
One thing about Pete, he didn’t buy ONE hit. Read Bench’s personal life. He didn’t walk on water.
@Amick44
10 ай бұрын
I know. Who is he to talk,?
@tedfio1tedfio1
9 ай бұрын
@@Amick44 How did Bench break MLB rules?
@Amick44
9 ай бұрын
@@tedfio1tedfio1 I wasn't aware that he did
@tedfio1tedfio1
9 ай бұрын
@@Amick44 Than what is wrong with Bench answering the question given to him about Rose? Bench is viewd by most as the greatest MLB Catcher to ever play the game. He was a teamate of Rose and knows the man!
@jaymoon5906
9 ай бұрын
Bench was as if asbumbastheycome
Few people can truly understand just how bad any addiction can cloud your judgement
@youtoo2233
5 жыл бұрын
So true. Just a few months ago my wife got Addicted to casino gambling and I'll tell you we are paying dearly for now
@chrisj197438
5 жыл бұрын
Rush Ron The most important thing to remember if your spouse is addicted to anything is not to hang on and hit rock bottom with them. If she slips back into the addiction you have to let her go. Make that very clear to her. I was an addict for almost 20 years and any kindness or sympathy I was shown I took advantage of the person. It’s what we do.
@youtoo2233
5 жыл бұрын
@@chrisj197438 thanks for the advice!
@itslildaryl7426
3 жыл бұрын
If that’s the case then A-Rod.. Barry Bonds.. Several more are In the hall they cheated also so how’s that?
@huh2495
3 жыл бұрын
@@itslildaryl7426 Juiced up batters were going against juiced up pitchers it was an a messed up way kind of fair for them. It was not fair for the players like Chipper Jones who people believe never did anything to enhance their performance. I am not a Braves fan at all but damn if chipper had been on the juice who knows what the records would be
At this point, not being in the HOF is probably going to make Rose’s legacy greater.
@pneulancer
3 жыл бұрын
Nope. He's still a douchebag.
2 жыл бұрын
@@pneulancer *Rose* is a douchebag AND a future HOF member. He won't be the first. That dis-honor has to go to a member of the first HOF class, *Ty Cobb.*
@mikspapa
2 жыл бұрын
@ Not a HOF member by any shot. If you want to see what gambling does, then look no further than Shoeless Joe Jackson, who it was proven DID NOT bet on baseball, but is banned from the hall. His crime was knowing it was happening and not speaking out about it. Bench is right. Pete is a dumbshit who had a chance to "manup" to what he did, but chose the stupid way to go, following his moron lawyer's advice. If Gamblin' Pete gets in Joe Jackson goes in first, since at least he didn't do what Gamblin" Pete ADMITTED to doing.
@charlesm7589
2 жыл бұрын
@Mr.Brenman21 Nope. Just another in a long list of dishonest, egotist who think rules dont apply to them.
@charlesm7589
2 жыл бұрын
@Mr.Brenman21 Obviously it isn't just my opinion. Your argument is that if someone else gets away with cheating then MLB and the HOF should let every cheater from then forward off the hook as well. Inconsistency in the application of the law has been part of human history from the beginning. The solution is not to throw out all enforcement, but to strive to do better. But inconsistency aside, Bonds, Sosa, McGuire et al, cheated. No one made them do it. How are they victims? How about the pitchers who's stats were made artificially worse by facing them? How about Hank Aaron's record being basically stolen? How about other clean hitters who didn't get to compete on a level playing field?
Johnny Bench brings up a good point that most of us had forgotten. Pete Rose had a chance to be forgiven by admitting to sports betting, and that he bet on Reds games, but he kept denying it, and claiming innocence. That’s why he’s not given a second chance to redeem himself, or get in the Hall.
@DD-fm7xb
Жыл бұрын
If he was a wife beater he'd be in !!
@Dirtytanker
Жыл бұрын
He bet on winning. Who cares, bench is a pussy.
@kidzbop38isstraightfire92
11 ай бұрын
And I could care less if he "repents", the HoF shouldn't be about morality, it should be about baseball ability. I don't care if you murdered your family, if you have the most hits in MLB history, you deserve to get in. This isn't "who's the best person", it's "who's the best player".
@UMAMIMAMU
8 ай бұрын
That's not entirely true. I, and many others, are quite sure Bart Giamatti never intended for this to be carried out for so long, nor do I think he was intending to make an example out of Pete Rose. Supposedly they were working something out to smooth everything over. Unfortunately no one foresaw Giamatti dying less than a year after assuming commissionership, and also unfortunately, Bud Selig is an asshole.
@EarthtonesCymbals
7 ай бұрын
Oh how wrong you are!@@kidzbop38isstraightfire92
I'm 44 now and a Texas Rangers/ Houston Astros fan but as a kid Pete rose was my favorite player. Every time I bought a pack of baseball cards his was the one I was looking for
@demonkingbadger6689
3 жыл бұрын
Heh, seemed like every pack i got, he was in it. I never got the George brett card that i wanted (as a Royal he was my 2ndfavorite behind Quisenberry)
@grissellevirga9936
Жыл бұрын
How the hell at 44 could Pete have been your favorite player? This guys last good year was 81..
@MarcoPolo-ze3ie
11 ай бұрын
Too bad I was stupid and taped all those Pete rose cards with masking tape in a photo album! Lol
When people throw stones... Pete Rose catches them 💯
@MrFrinZy
4 жыл бұрын
It would've been funnier if you said "Pete Rose knocks them for a base hit", imo.
@alnonymous2482
3 жыл бұрын
When people throw stones, Pete Rose hit them for base hits.
@fitness..moveyoullgetit5832
3 жыл бұрын
Every time people throw stones at Pete Rose, he hits them for another single.
@HoboJoe1416
3 жыл бұрын
True, ask Bob Boone.
@christianarrizon9796
2 жыл бұрын
Or better he hits them
Love Johnny Bench !!! ❤ He was the consummate professional, always giving his best & leaving it on the field ! HOF’er all the way ! I am a lifelong Mets fan, and I was so glad to be at “Johnny Bench Night “ at Shea , when he announced it would be his last year as a player. I felt bad (and still do) that the headlines on the day of his HOF selection announcement were overshadowed by news of that pos rose’s gambling scandal. Kudos to you, Mr. Bench, true fans of the game know who the real Champions are ! ❤
I’d pay to see how Johnny talks to Pete
Joe Jackson gets in before Pete
@timrobinson2863
5 жыл бұрын
Abbuhl Charles I agree completely! If anyone deserves to be in the HOF, it’s Joe Jackson.
@josephgiuffdrida5387
5 жыл бұрын
Yes shoeless should get in He was found not guilty But he will never get in there
@daveshively3295
5 жыл бұрын
Yup.
@jonathanmouton1457
3 жыл бұрын
Hell yes for joe
@MPerry-ox9qb
3 жыл бұрын
Nope. Regardless if Joe Jackson did or did not take the 5K he knew what was going on.
bench spelled it out.....and pete was my idol.he blew every chance he got.stop blaming everyone else.facts.
@McDago100
5 жыл бұрын
I was an Athletics and Phillies fan in the 1970s. I hated Pete Rose with a passion, until he played for the Phillies. He made Mike Schmidt a better player, and the 1980 Phillies, would not have won a World Series without him. I am also strongly in agreement with you. Pete Rose is a typical "gambling addict". He is selfish, and a liar.
@vestibulate
4 жыл бұрын
@J Wil I don't think Pete Rose has a disease. He's just a lying, cheating gambler. And he got caught.
@pb12661
3 жыл бұрын
you really believe that b.s. story? lol
@JMAdams
3 жыл бұрын
What I don't understand is, was it a one-time chance and now a life sentence, or is it mainly about confessing and asking forgiveness?
@johnscialfa7391
3 жыл бұрын
@@JMAdams its years of him being in denial
I’d like to hear Johnny Bench speak on his career, what a waste of time when he has to take questions on Pete Rose!
@milt6208
Жыл бұрын
@James Ratliff Put Pete in the Hall where he belongs and it will stop. That is why these guys keep getting asked the same question because Pete was just that good.
@someparts
Жыл бұрын
Coat tails? That career?
@someparts
Жыл бұрын
@James Ratliff He would have been better off with large knees.
@someparts
Жыл бұрын
@James Ratliff "if he quit 6 seasons earlier" ... well that's not how averages work. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Bench should thank Pete not assail him. Pete started 6 years earlier than Bench and had 6 more productive years after Bench dropped off. When did Bench drop off? When Pete left the Reds!
@someparts
Жыл бұрын
@James Ratliff Cherry picking one year of stats is stupid. 99% of baseball fans take Rose over Bench's career. You, like Bench need to deal with it. I prefer Carlton Fisk at catcher....24 years in the league - double the productive years(20 vs 10) and not bashing his team mates over stuff that isn't his business.
As a HUGE Cardinals and Ted Simmons fan, I have nothing but respect for Johnny Bench.
@RO-cf3lz
10 ай бұрын
Both Ted Simmons & Johnny Bench played by the rules & men of high integrity who excelled on the field. Pete excelled but has little integrity and placed himself above the Rules. He only belongs in the Hall of SHAME.
Be curious to she what ol' Johnny thinks of the Astros
@demonkingbadger6689
3 жыл бұрын
Be more curious to hear Leo Durocher's opinion.
@jamesanthony5681
3 жыл бұрын
He's probably disgusted. Disgusted at anything that brings shame onto the game. Johnny Bench is old school in many ways.
@louisjwilliamsii
3 жыл бұрын
Two completely unrelated offenses but I imagine he would have a problem with the Astros as well.
@uncasunga1800
3 жыл бұрын
They should all be banned
@antoniosaxon8605
2 жыл бұрын
I am am NO Longer Interested in Johnny Bench's "opinions"
"Tell your kids there are no rules" if Johnny's did something wrong he would be the first to ask the judge for a break. Its been 35 years. It was only gambling. If Pete would have chose alcohol, drugs or spousal abuse he would been first ballot HOF
@cbanks1980
3 жыл бұрын
Good one
@pratt17648
3 жыл бұрын
That’s not the point. He broke the rules intentionally and got banned. Just like the Astros should have been
@Gltch-mj3zf
3 жыл бұрын
@@pratt17648 should have been but didn't cause mlb doesn't know how to make decisions
@michaelshea5427
3 жыл бұрын
@@pratt17648 You realize you just contradicted yourself! Right? Rose did nothing to negatively detract from the sport! Such as cheating, drugs, alcohol, sexual or physical abuse!
@pratt17648
3 жыл бұрын
Michael Shea but you’re not understanding that is was illegal and against the rules. To quote the Johnny Bench “Do you have kids? Go home and tell your kids that there’s no more rules”
Pete belongs in the Hall as a player.
@istvandejesus
Жыл бұрын
I also thought that. But the thing is he also gambled when he was a player.
@robertdaniels6510
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I never liked JB and like him less after this. THEY WERE All gambling on games, nothing new
@istvandejesus
Жыл бұрын
@@robertdaniels6510 Maybe so. But we must be light in the darkness as Jesus said. Just because “all” are doing it doesn’t mean I need to follow them.
@sethtate2079
Жыл бұрын
Pete agreed to the terms..
@JohnDoe-dp2kk
Жыл бұрын
@@istvandejesus Did he bet against his team as a player?
I am 73 years old, I remember and saw play Mickey Mantle, Jackie Robinson, Roger Maris, Willie Mays, Willie Stargell, Vick Wertz, Roberto Clemente, Johnny Bench, and many more, all greats. The greatest ball player in my lifetime was Pete Rose. As a ball player, Pete had a great influence on me when I played. His dedication to the game, hustle, abilities put him at the top. He is in MY hall of fame!
@julianmarsh1378
Жыл бұрын
Which is where he should be. In yours.
@billkammerzell9082
Жыл бұрын
He was far from the greatest ballplayer among those you listed.
@stripervince1
Жыл бұрын
Probably one of the best all around players in the last 50 years has to be Rickey henderson. Gets no credit
@roland7584
2 ай бұрын
Pete wasn't even the best player on his team much less in his own era.
You can never ignore his accomplishments!!! Nobody will ever top it! His accomplishments are overwhelming Hall of Fame material!!
@demonkingbadger6689
3 жыл бұрын
Cant ignore Shoeless Joe's accomplishments or Eddie Cicotte's, either. They would both likely be Hofers too. Too bad for all 3, they did what they did.
@themaestro3034
Жыл бұрын
You cant ignore how he bet on games he was playing in or managing. Pete rose is a disgrace to the game and shame on anyone who defends him. They dont care about the dignity of the game that makes baseball so great.
@markw4206
Жыл бұрын
His accomplishments in the 60s and 70s were decent, not even great. He was worthless after 1980, but was allowed to keep penciling himself into a lineup just to chase a record by sheer longevity. His career became a joke for the final six years.
@bauerj3398
11 ай бұрын
and yet, his degenerate lies are overwhelming HOF disqualifcations.
@billsmith6309
10 ай бұрын
@@markw4206 Coming from someone who grew up in Cincinnati watching these guys play i can tell you Pete Rose is not a good person. Guys like Bench were giving back to Cincinnati and Pete Rose was only interested in what Cincinnati could do for him. While the other player was talking with kids and signing stuff Pete Rose would literally have a 25$ for an autograph sign by him.
Rose has a lifetime ban. So he is eligible after he dies. Best of both worlds is put him in then. But he was not as detrimental to "the integrity of the game" as Bonds, Clemens, and McGwire.
@vernwallen4246
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks goodness he didn't"CORK" his bat!😂😂😂😂😂😂
@dontbeled
5 жыл бұрын
@Stephanie S Because, my good friend, having money on a game can cause people to play differently than if they didn't therefore adulterating the game.
@krakenmetzger
5 жыл бұрын
That's the equivalent of not being able to choose if your country should drive on the left side or right side of the road, and deciding as a compromise that everyone will drive down the middle
@BeefPapa
5 жыл бұрын
Fixing games to win money not as detrimental? Wow. The ignorance behind your statement is just mind numbing.
@BeefPapa
5 жыл бұрын
@Stephanie S The manager doesn't make decisions? K then.
I was his caddie for a few years and let me tell you when they say be careful of meeting your heroes, they were right.
@TheBobbybbc
Жыл бұрын
Caddy to Bench or Rose?
@gregwatson8219
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@josephthomas2226
2 ай бұрын
I grew up in cincy in the 60s-70s. Pete was one of the best ballplayers of all time, but not a very good human. I hope he gets his life together.
@mikeyates7931
2 ай бұрын
Well , he never answered you , so I guess he was lying @@TheBobbybbc
Hall of Fame or not, Pete Rose, in my opinion, was the best contact hitter ever.
@Amick44
2 жыл бұрын
He was of his time. You can make a strong argument for Rod Carew, but Pete hit for more power, extra base hits.
@samthibert6527
Жыл бұрын
@@Amick44 and more hits
@mikesalyers4914
Жыл бұрын
@@Amick44 Tony Gwynn.
@Amick44
Жыл бұрын
@@mikesalyers4914 i speaking of his era.
@dealsaua
Жыл бұрын
Tony Gwynn and Pete Rose, but I get your point…he’s a hall of famer!
Question: How many world series victories would Johnny Bench have without Pete Rose? Matter of fact, would Cincinnati have any without Pete? Let him in, tell the story.
@camicawber
5 жыл бұрын
The Reds have won two with him and three without him. The Red won as many World Series before Pete Rose was born as they did with him on the team.
@ekapurura
5 жыл бұрын
Thats a stupid question. You could ask that about Joe Morgan or even Johnny himself. Its a team sport.
@mcdonoghrahloh459
5 жыл бұрын
John is right!Bonds is best ever!
@michaelpflug394
5 жыл бұрын
Well, the Big Red Machine was the most impressive team top to bottom ever assembled imo. HOF’ers Perez,Bench,Morgan. Best HR hitter of the time in Foster. Even the guys that weren’t great hitters were stellar defenders like Concepcion and Geronimo. Hard to say you take any of them out of the equation and you get the same result.
@ThekiBoran
5 жыл бұрын
Babe Ruth played for 22 years but has only 7 rings. Why?
Unbelievable. Some of the scumbags that are in make Pete Rose look like an angel.
@michaelpflug394
5 жыл бұрын
piggyroo100 Yeah Cobb was a racist who killed a man, Perry admitted to using a spitter his whole career, and Jenkins did drugs just to name a few. But, for whatever reason gambling is viewed as the cardinal sin. Pete should have come clean no doubt, but no one maximized his ability and played with the fire he did throughout his career . Maybe he’s not the nicest guy or was always looking for a buck but he was all about winning on the ballfield.
@michaelpflug394
5 жыл бұрын
Bidwellz9 We were actually on Pete’s side, stating that people that have done far worse are in the hall.
@Bidwellz9
5 жыл бұрын
misread the first part, my mistake.@@michaelpflug394
@michaelpflug394
5 жыл бұрын
Bidwellz9 That’s ok, I’m from Cincinnati and I also believe Dave Concepcion should be in. That era shortstops didn’t put up big offensive numbers and next to Ozzie Smith I believe he was the finest fielding shortstop of that time.
@kyokogodai-ir6hy
5 жыл бұрын
@@michaelpflug394 You have bought into the bullshit someone wrote about Cobb that wasn't true. Much of what is "known" about Cobb today is total fabrication, written by someone wanting to make it big on the back of a HOF'er. Ruth was worse than Cobb ever was. Gambling is the ultimate sin because it could change the outcome of a game. Pete's pride got the better of him, and he is paying the price. It is a shame, but it is his own fault.
I bet it just eats him up that even though he’s in the HOF.. his former teammate who is banned for life will forever be more iconic than he could have ever dreamed to be.
I love Pete. But Johnnys quote about going to your kids and saying there’s no more rules hits hard and he’s exactly right
@RedroomStudios
10 ай бұрын
thats a petty emotional ploy. none of that changes Rose's staggering accomplishments on the field.
@charlesm7589
9 ай бұрын
@@RedroomStudios I don't care about his stats. Actually, nno one really does. His name and his legacy are that of a liar and a cheat. Seriously, you can't bring up his name without the discussion going to his dishonesty. And no stat line can change THAT.
@RedroomStudios
9 ай бұрын
@@charlesm7589 "no one cares about his stats"... oh really? then why on every discussion about him on youtube videos are the opinions split about 50/50? you are free to disagree with me and others but dont try to blow smoke up my ass that I'm the only one with this opinion.
what did Bench have to say about Barry Bonds and all the other drug enhancement cheaters?
@bwaters735
3 жыл бұрын
Im sure those guys wont ever get in either
If it were up to Bench, nobody else would get into the Hall after the year 2000! I remember when my guy Ryne Sandberg got in, it came out that Bench was opposed to him as well. I like Bench but he loves his own potato chips if you know what I mean..
If they put berry bonds in the baseball hall of fame then they should put Pete rose in the baseball hall of fame.
Unquestionably PETE ROSE deserves to be in the HOF. He was one of the best in history - this is just a fact. PUT HIM IN!!!
@phillipbelk3528
3 жыл бұрын
He bet on the games he was managing.....and he never owned up to it...so no, he doesn't deserve the Hall...you serious?
@sms9106
3 жыл бұрын
@@phillipbelk3528 I don't care. He PLAYED at a level of greatest not achieved by virtually all who ever played.
@hughkerins3151
3 жыл бұрын
Obviously, none of you know why Pete isn't in baseball or the hall of fame
@sms9106
3 жыл бұрын
@@hughkerins3151 Snobs.
@hughkerins3151
3 жыл бұрын
@@sms9106 Fact-Pete bet on baseball, Fact-Pete didn't want to be held accountable for his misdeeds. Fact-Pete didn't want the findings of the investigation made public. Fact Pete with a lawyer signed document(s) banning himself from baseball (lifetime ban). Pete doesn't deserve to be in HOF because of his own stupidity.
Like rose said " bench wouldn't be in the HOF if not for me"!
@curtisdavies585
5 жыл бұрын
What about Joe Morgan who doesn't believe Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. Did Pete Rose make him a Hall of famer? Fuck off.
@denistuohy2535
3 жыл бұрын
Bench is pretty much unanimously considered the greatest catcher of all time. Not sure what Pete Rose had to do with that
@kevinmichael9482
3 жыл бұрын
Nonsense! Without Rose, Bench wouldn't have hit 389 home runs? or amassed 2048 career hits? wouldn't have 2 MVP awards(1970-1972)? Without Bench, the Big Red Machine wouldn't have rolled through the 70s, imho.
@bauerj3398
3 жыл бұрын
Oh Bullshit. Bench is one of the top 2 or 3 catchers of all time. He is in the Hall, and Charlie Dirtbag has nothing to do with it.
@demonkingbadger6689
3 жыл бұрын
Rose probably gave him a few more Rbis that is all.
see thats where they lose me on keeping pete out of hall of fame. so 30 years now of being banned, but they wouldve let him in if he would have signed a piece of paper
@davidjorgensen877
Жыл бұрын
Joe Jackson is over 100 years ago, and the case against him is far flimsier than Pete's. I can't see them ever letting Rose in if they still won't consider Jackson.
@spence7985
Жыл бұрын
@@davidjorgensen877 shoeless joe jackson hasn’t been the all time hits leader for the last 35 years either
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
@@spence7985 He would have been if he wasn't thrown out of baseball during his playing days. Even Pete Rose said Joe Jackson was a better player than himself. Regardless, Pete saw what they did to Joe but Pete was too thickheaded to think he'd never get caught and he knew what the penalty was going to be. When the time comes, he and Joe can talk all about it and how they disgraced the game and the one thing that they both loved.
@spence7985
Жыл бұрын
@@roland7584 here’s the difference between Joe and Pete. Pete was retired from playing. Joe did it while CURRENTLY playing
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
He was still managing, and the investigation never went into Pete's playing days, although they had evidence that he did bet while he was a player/manger but they never went into investigating that evidence because they already had enough evidence on him as a manager and the same rule applied...bet on your team and you're going to be banned for life.
If it could be proven that Rose ever - as a player or manager - made a decision or took an action that caused his team to lose in order to win a bet, then okay. Keep him out. But the fact he bet on games should not keep the man who collected more hits than anyone in MLB history out of the Hall.
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
The fact that he bet on the games he was managing is the rule and the rule states permanently ineligible. Why modify the rule after the fact to accommodate this guy? Why would any league want their players and managers betting on games just to get into some discussion about each decision in every game on whether he did that to win or not?
@jamesbowen8960
Жыл бұрын
Read the Dowd Report. It's incredible.
@melchorreyes5251
Жыл бұрын
I've been hearing that he only bet on his team to win games. Has this been proven or just came from Pete? Serious question if anybody knows.
@jamesbowen8960
Жыл бұрын
@@melchorreyes5251 Unfortunately, they know for a fact he bet on the Reds to lose while he was manager. Read the Dowd Report. It's unbelievable.I still love Pete, but he shouldn't be inducted into the Hall of Fame.
@joeleicht5764
Жыл бұрын
@@melchorreyes5251 I don't know if that's true, but I would not be surprised. Rose was the most competitive guy ever to play the game, and he was all about winning. I just don't believe he would prioritize winning bets over winning ballgames. (BTW, I HATED the guy during his playing days. He was the type of player you loved if he was on your team and couldn't stand if he was the opponent. )
Bench got a divorce and his ex wife was asked about Bench. She said "Johnny Bench may be a hall of fame baseball player but in the bedroom he is a minor leaguer"
@TheMW2informer
3 жыл бұрын
@William Gullett uhhh okay?? I don’t see how that’s relevant.
@williamgullett5911
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMW2informer its not, its just a quote about Bench
@misplacednewyawker
3 жыл бұрын
So she's a bitter bitch. What's new?
@onemoremisfit
2 жыл бұрын
I've heard that cheap shot from numerous women so many times I think they pretty much all say that about their exes.
@williamgullett5911
2 жыл бұрын
@@onemoremisfit I'm sure other women use it but only the ones whose ex husband's are in the Hall of Fame. Otherwise it wouldnt make sense
No one is bigger than the integrity of the game, no one!
@68air
5 жыл бұрын
Integrity of the game? Hahahahaha. Cocaine scandals, Corked bats-Albert Belle, Chris Sabo, Steroids Bonds, Macgure, Sosa..., HCG Clemens, Pettit...., Astros hacking, owner collusion, billion dollar contracts....You lost me there brother.
@dbreiden83080
5 жыл бұрын
@@68air Well the steroid guys are not in. Betting on baseball destroys the games integrity..
@robhalfmann4701
5 жыл бұрын
2 things... Steroids do not help your hand eye coordination to hit the ball and if prescribed for an injury players can use them. 2nd... For all we know hank aaron and other players used steroids? We will never know because baseball didnt test for it back then. Anyways pete should be in the HOF he bet on his team to win not like he was shaving runs
@robhalfmann4701
5 жыл бұрын
@@jumpmasterpadre9335 can u prove they werent taking steroids b4 baseball tested for them? No, u cant! So.... Go fuck yourself
@cba4389
5 жыл бұрын
Johnny just going to forget everybody was using uppers supplied by the team in his day. Integrity of the game is a joke.
Why block his face with the microphone? Move the mic or move the camera.
@claude878878
5 жыл бұрын
was thinking the same thing. This is RIDICULOUS. It really made my blood boil...i think they do it on purpose to annoy us.
Pete ( "Charlie Hustle") Rose, was one of the greatest players in his generation ! Him and the "Big Red Machine" were loved by their fans, and feared by all the other teams ! In the hall or not, Pete Rose will still be loved !!
It’s the Hall of FAME, not the Hall of HONOR, Johnny. He serves to be there as a player. Cooperstown isn’t about enshrining a bunch of upstanding great guys who never sinned.
@kawasakiwhiptwo5821
3 жыл бұрын
I love Bench, but good point Sax.
@ericnieves9884
3 жыл бұрын
Not a good point, he broke the rules and paid for it. Lesson to learn in life.
@SaxMan426
3 жыл бұрын
So let’s be sure and keep him out of the Hall of Fame, which is where we enshrine players for their playing achievements. He laid down bets, he didn’t change how pitches were thrown and affect the fielding of balls. He earned his accolades and deserves to be in the hall. If we employ your rule, Eric, then if we get a speeding ticket our drivers license should be revoked. Ease up bud, it’s a game and he was one of the best at playing it and deserves to be in the Hall. Johnny B is just the grumpy old man sitting on his porch spraying kids with a hose and yelling, “get off my lawn!”
@petergromlich6529
3 жыл бұрын
@@SaxMan426 He made bets on his team as a manager. That calls into question whether his rosters and pitching rotation were determined by the best overall long term winning strategy for the season, or the best strategy for winning games where he had bet huge sums of money and might lose his shirt. There is no place for that kind of dirt in baseball. Rose is dumb as a bag of rocks, but that's no excuse for his behavior. He had a chance to show contrition and dig himself out of his hole, but he thinks he is bigger than the MLB and that the MLB revolves around him.
@jordanking6939
3 жыл бұрын
@@ericnieves9884 Since I observe stuff in real time, if Pete Rose knew what he knew now back in 1989, he would of admitted he bet on games. I think the punishment is harsh, but running into a sport's writer years ago, I appreciate how important are stats. On another hand, Floyd Mayweather bets on boxing all the time. He betted on himself and never lost.
He never bet on his team. He bet either on the over and under or the spread. He had control of the game to effect the results. Doesn't matter how great 1 person is no one is bigger then the game and it's integrity.
@Jarvisc12
5 жыл бұрын
@bryan joiner right. You would watch a sporting event if you thought it was rigged. Allow 1 man to get away with it then you have to allow everyone.
Rose did nothing to negatively detract from the sport! Such as cheating, drugs, alcohol, sexual or physical abuse like so many have been caught doing! Punishing him for gambling is tantamount to a cop giving you a speeding ticket for 5 mph over while a car full of drunk, high, popular kids speeds by doing 90 mph over! These powers that be i'm sure did much worse! He who is without sin cast the first stone! This needs to be undone! Rose is one of the GOATS!
@donkosky
Жыл бұрын
Your missing the point, they wanted him to confess. If he did, he's in. He's a stubborn prick.
@Amick44
8 ай бұрын
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@asnark7115
5 ай бұрын
Gambling on your own team is in fact CHEATING, and in a major way. The consensus at the time of the investigation was that he not only bet on his team to win, but also to lose. The investigation was ended as soon as it was about to tackle that question. He changed his story too many times after too many false denials; all which he had to flip-flop on once proof of guilt was shown. There's not a reason in this world to take him at his word on this matter.
As a Padre fan... or even just a baseball fan in general, I admire Tony Gwynn a LOT more than Rose. Tony would NEVER bet on baseball and he didn't do steroids either. He had so much more integrity than that. My admiration for Pete dropped by half after the gambling fiasco.
It don’t matter if he gets in... he will always be talked about.. you made him infamous... on top of his 4K plus hits....
These guys have had beef since "The Pete and Johnny Show". Johnny never liked how Pete was so beloved in his hometown.
@hazelwood55
3 жыл бұрын
I was as big of Pete fan as there was in the 70's when I was a teen. Now I see Rose as a fake and a phoney. He cheated on his wife, his taxes and violated the most sacred rule of the game he claimed to love. I think Johnny probably saw him as a fake long before others and that is part of the rift.
@adamdorgant9454
3 жыл бұрын
@@hazelwood55 You’re right about that!!!!
@keonipauole1828
3 жыл бұрын
@@hazelwood55 what does taxes and his personal life have to do with baseball? So its ok for the Astros to cheat keep the world series, not get fined or suspended, and still play? He bet on his team to win, he didnt throw games away. So now i ask you should the astro players who participated in the scandal be allowed to play?
@hazelwood55
3 жыл бұрын
@@keonipauole1828 My comment pertained only to Rose and Bench's relationship.
@danroux4010
3 жыл бұрын
@@hazelwood55 For the HOF, all that should count was that he was real on the field. He was a key player on one of the greatest baseball teams ever assembled.
Hilarious Johnny Bench remarks starting at around the 2:10 mark! So very true!!!!! LOL about all jobs!
The problem here is that Pete was still eligible for the HOF when he accepted the ban from MLB. Giamatti believed it should be left up to the sportswriters. Two years later and after Giamatti's death, the HOF changed the rules to exclude Pete.
Then take out Cobb, Ruth, and everyone that played before 1950 95% of all players where drunks. Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker did get banned from baseball in 1926 for gambling but went to Commissioner Landis that he would tell the reporter who else gamble's on baseball and his ban was lifted
@bauerj3398
3 жыл бұрын
Wait: are you saying drinking is against the rules of eligibility of baseball? Drinking is cheating? Strange. First time I ever heard that theory. As for Cobb and Speaker gambling, Rule 21 was put in place in 1927. The 'death penalty' for gambling did not exist in 1919 (when Cobb and Speaker bet on their team, in a series that they heard the other team was throwing). When Jackson and company were banned, it was NOT because of gambling. It was due to what was believed to be conspiring with gambling elements to throw the series. In other words, your whatabout... has no merit here. Rose knowingly and repeatedly violated a rule that is on the wall in every single clubhouse in the majors. He was a degenerate gambler and degenerate person, and is paying the price for breaking the rules.
@The_king567
2 жыл бұрын
@@bauerj3398 what rose did was not as bad as what the white Sox did when the rigged the World Series but yet they are in the mlb is a joke at this point
@bauerj3398
2 жыл бұрын
@@The_king567 What? The White Sox are not in the HOF. Joe Jackson is a top 20 player all time, certainly a better player than Rose, and he is not in. This despite the fact that that he never attended the meetings to fix the Series, is disputed to have ever particpated in the fix other than accepting $5000, and was the best player in the Series. As for Rose, he is just a scumbag whose lying never stopped. Keeps adjusting his story when it becomes apparent nobody believes him. He willfully and repeatedly broke rule with the express punishment of a lifetime ban, and people feel bad for him because he is banned? Eff him.
@The_king567
2 жыл бұрын
@@bauerj3398 yea joes not in but he should be and there are players from the white Sox that are in the hof like Eddie Collins,Ray Schalk,Red Faber etc
@bauerj3398
2 жыл бұрын
@@The_king567 And Collins, Schalk,and Faber were not implicated in any way in the Black Sox Scandal, so what is your point of bringing them up?
He never bet against his team; His effort was never questioned, He had over 4000 hits. But you can not bet on baseball. Wait, what, everyone can?
@fredwright5954
3 жыл бұрын
Not while in the league
@mensareports874
3 жыл бұрын
@@fredwright5954 so true, i was looking past the red elephant in the room!
@donkosky
Жыл бұрын
it doesn't matter if your betting against or for your team, both are bad. If your betting for your team to win, you might adjust your rotation to win that game, so in effect you are affecting other games by trying to win the one you have money on.
@nickpaine
Жыл бұрын
Betting to win and coaching to win are the same damn thing if done for your own team. Pete Rose was screwed.
@fredofromchicago777
Жыл бұрын
@@donkosky Your theory is complete babble. Of course he's going to try to win the game bet or not. Lmao.
A great listen and watch. What a Legend who is absolutely right here.
He bet on games including on the Reds while he was even a Manager for the Reds, come on folks, he stays out of the Cooperstown. Sure he was was an all-time great, would have loved him on my team, most would agree, just not in the Hall of Fame. I can't believe after 33 years we are still debating this, it is over - this is about the integrity of the game. Besides all this, I wish health and happiness, he is 81, God Bless him.
@stevesilva2780
Жыл бұрын
Integrity? Tell me the player or manager who earns a salary so meager that he has to gamble and fix games? No one needs to protect the integrity of baseball due to gambling violations. Not now days. This is insider grudge-politics, and it stinks.
@erichvonmolder9310
Жыл бұрын
@@stevesilva2780 , he gambled because he like it and probably got hooked on it.
@fredofromchicago777
Жыл бұрын
Integrity of the game? LoL. Do you have any idea how many games were called because of rain and made official? Home teams won 70% of those in the 50's and 60's? How bout that integrity?
who need a friend like Johnny Bench?
@fredwright5954
3 жыл бұрын
A straight shooter is always helpful
@pb12661
3 жыл бұрын
exactly. what a POS. Used to love the guy as a BB player. He could have backed a "friend"/teammate and gave legit reasons why he should get in but he choses to act like a holier than thou azzhat and throw Pete under the bus. What a jerk. I'm sure all his former wives feel the same.
@demonkingbadger6689
3 жыл бұрын
So, he should lie?
@antoniosaxon8605
2 жыл бұрын
No One
@Amick44
2 жыл бұрын
@@pb12661 he kinda always came off that way to me.
Two point here. 1. Pete only broke the MLB rule, which meant banishment ffrom MLB. That rule had nothing to do with the Baseball Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame is not part of MLB. It is a separate enity. It is a museum of our national pasttime. After the fact, MLB pressured the Hall of Fame committee to make a rule, which never exist before, to banish anyone who bet on the sport. That speaks loudy to a concertted effort by MLB's executive branch to be nothing less than vindictive toward Rose. 2. Enshrinement isn't just about awarding the honor to the player. It is also about rewarding the fans. The fans deserve to have MLB's all-time hits leader in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
@rosssmith5963
5 жыл бұрын
I rarely see anyone mention that the year before Pete would have been on the ballot MLB made the HoF change their rules in order to keep him off the ballot.
@PFB1994
5 жыл бұрын
The fact that Shoeless Joe Jackson was never put in the Hall of Fame indicates that the HoF considers a gambling ban of MLB to include the HoF.
@rosssmith5963
5 жыл бұрын
@@PFB1994 Jackson wasn't banned for gambling. He was banned for supposedly taking a $5000 payment to throw the World Series. The HoF selection rules were modified, after Rose got his ban, to prevent the induction of anyone on MLB's permanently ineligible list.
@PFB1994
5 жыл бұрын
@@rosssmith5963 Is there really any difference between a gambler paying you $5,000 or owing a gambler $50,000? Rose could have way more impact on the outcome as he was the manager of a team, not just one player.
@rosssmith5963
5 жыл бұрын
@@PFB1994 Point well taken. The thing that gets me about Jackson and the Black Sox scandal is that he was found not guilty in his criminal trial. Kenesaw said he didn't care what the courts decided he was banning him anyways.
What would I tell my kids? If there was one athlete in baseball that I would want them to model their intensity, effort and love for the game after it would be Pete Rose.
@grissellevirga9936
Жыл бұрын
I assume we should be ok with the college point shaving scandals mover the years as well?
@wyldebyll3089
Жыл бұрын
I would suggest Stan Musial as a model. Just as dedicated as Rose but he has integrity and class, which Rose didn't think mattered.
@r.j.w7924
Жыл бұрын
@@wyldebyll3089 Oh get over yourself lol. The man deserves to be in the Hall. End of story.
@DocWR86
Жыл бұрын
@@wyldebyll3089 Point taken. Nonetheless, I could watch video of Rose’s highlights and hear him talk about baseball for hours.
@derkardinal9781
Жыл бұрын
Then your values are warped. Pete Rose is an example of bad moral character.
Let him in he served his sentence. Can't forget how great his talent was and the records he accomplished...
@GetRidOfCivilAssetForfeiture
Жыл бұрын
Thing is, he didn’t serve his sentence. He had the chance and decided not to take it. He decided to take a chance, was found guilty, and now has to accept the consequences of his actions, including the lifetime ban because he broke the one rule that is not to be broken in baseball. If you are saying someone should be above the rules then the next time Mike Trout questions a strike call even if video shows it to be a strike, should we change it to a ball because Mike Trout is the greatest player today? Yes, I know the previous sentence is ridiculous but the rules apply to all, no matter how great they are. Pete Rose lied for years. He has shown no remorse and only apologized and admitted to what he did when it became obvious MLB would not budge or give in, as well they should not. No one is above the rules.
@assassin415
Жыл бұрын
his sentence is a lifetime ban so no he hasent served his sentence
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
@@GetRidOfCivilAssetForfeiture You rule! I don't know how people don't see what you see. You make perfect sense.
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
@@assassin415 I couldn't have said it better myself. He is lucky that baseball even gave him any parole hearings for what he did.
@MelvinCooper-ov8lg
10 ай бұрын
If were Pete I would accept privately and decline openly on social media and national news , then walk off into the sun set. 😎
Pete Rose was a great thug. The same aberrant personality that contributed to his playing prowess also cost him his Hall of Fame hopes.
@RT-tn3pu
4 жыл бұрын
Yup, pride goeth before a fall.
@pb12661
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure "thug" is the best description when referring to Pete Rose.
@mmjhcb
3 жыл бұрын
@@pb12661 Well, I am, so are we clear now?
@EarthtonesCymbals
3 жыл бұрын
@@pb12661 It may not be but the use of words in a conversation are always proportionate to an individuals access and understanding of language and vocabulary skills.
Let's keep this simple: if behavior harmful to the game is enough to keep someone out of the Hall of Fame, Cooperstown would be nearly empty.
@wackojacko3534
5 жыл бұрын
No it wouldn't. Rose is a special case, gambling crook that he is.
@mcoleman6893
5 жыл бұрын
@@wackojacko3534 Good evening. Babe Ruth burned the candle at both ends, partying with prostitutes and cheating multiple times on his first wife, once punched an umpire, and was protected by the press. Charles Comiskey owned the White Sox and spent that time cheating and short changing his players, thus encouraging the Black Sox scandal. Kenesaw Mountain Landis, the first commissioner of baseball, strongly resisted integration and fought hard to maintain the color barrier. Ty Cobb stomped a heckler to death, attacked a black groundskeeper and his wife. Behind the statistics and history, a great many hall-of-famers we're not so positive.
@SteveCherches
5 жыл бұрын
M Coleman Agree. And, I’m sure there were other gamblers as well. They just weren’t caught.
@chipgaasche4933
5 жыл бұрын
@@wackojacko3534 wacko is clueless.
@luisquinones7822
5 жыл бұрын
So cheating on a financial and unethical level is bad but cheating on a physically muscle enhancing level is ok. Good to know that's the message to send to kids.
Hall of fame for Pete!!!!!!
@themaestro3034
Жыл бұрын
Whose a bigger disgrace to the game? The guy who made bets on games he was actively involved in and lied about it, or the stupid defenders of that kind of behavior?
@adamdorgant9454
Жыл бұрын
It will never happen, besides, Rose did Agree to a Lifetime Ban, and not to mention he served time in Prison for Tax Evasion!!!!
5 years on from this video and sports betting is being advertised by every retired player that ever played. They ARE NOT saying don't bet if you play. How on earth are they going to deal with players that bet in the immediate future?
So I guess Johnny and every other HOFer is a straight shooter. Hmmmmmm
@pjkerns1696
5 жыл бұрын
No they sure aren't, Pete belongs in the hall Bench is such a hypocrite
@daveyboy_
3 жыл бұрын
It aint a crime if you dont get caught .
@CrazyAboutVinylRecords
3 жыл бұрын
@@daveyboy_ Then they should call it the Hall of Guys Who Didn't Get Caught.
@daveyboy_
3 жыл бұрын
@@CrazyAboutVinylRecords didnt get caught doing what ?
@pb12661
3 жыл бұрын
bench is a phony.
Lied forever, until he wanted to sell a 24.95 book.
@depaola63
5 жыл бұрын
fuck em !! NOBODY is BIGGER then the game !!!
I agree with Johnny 100%. I've been saying this for years. Had Rose come right out and admitted what he did and humbled himself and said he had a gambling problem all would have been forgiven and he'd have been in the hall for a while now but no, he chose to be an ass about it.
Bench and Rose hated each other so no surprise to hear Bench say what he did.
@bauerj3398
11 ай бұрын
Well, that and the fact that Rose is a degenerate gambler and liar.
Johnny Bench ... Go home and tell your kids Harold Baines is in the HOF. More disgraceful.
@josephmccormac2695
5 жыл бұрын
hiram hacklesworth Considering baseball-reference.com knows WAY more about this than I do, NO, he doesn’t.
@josephmccormac2695
5 жыл бұрын
hiram hacklesworth Rose belongs in the HOF. Baines does not.
@josephmccormac2695
5 жыл бұрын
hiram hacklesworth Baseball Reference says Rose should be in. Baseball Reference says Baines isn’t close.
@josephmccormac2695
5 жыл бұрын
hiram hacklesworth go to baseball-refernence.com Black Ink monitor Gray Ink monitor HOF JAWS all of them reach the conclusions I stated regarding Rose = yes & Baines = no
@alanconnelly3921
4 жыл бұрын
How did baines get in
No more rules, when baseball knowingly juiced it's players then tried to act like that wasn't the case. Pete Rose bet on himself to WIN, he wasn't shaving runs or throwing games he was performing and doing it well. Not a damn thing wrong with that!
@KoolT
Жыл бұрын
Lefty Rosenthal agrees
@alexludavertigo6926
Жыл бұрын
@@KoolT and now with Caesars and the white Sox official partners. No hypocrisy at all there
@bobe3250
Жыл бұрын
@@KoolT LOL..exactly right
@roland7584
Жыл бұрын
He always owed his bookies money. We don't know how his bets affected the games. Only he knows. The only thing we do know is there was a rule in place that if you bet on your team, you will be permanently banned. If he ever missed a game where he didn't bet on the Reds, that's basically a bet against them. Maybe the night before he tried to win so badly because he did have a bet that he sacrificed the win for the next game which is tainting the game. That's why players in control of games should never be able to bet on games. Thank you MLB for doing the right thing.
@alexludavertigo6926
Жыл бұрын
@@roland7584 MLB now officially in cahoots with casinos and players with asterisks next to their name in Cooperstown but Charlie Hustle still excluded. All sorts of right thing going on there👍
More than his accomplishments is how he played the game…..there’s those guys that just bring it and Pete brought it
Life-long Cardinals fan here. Pete is in my HOF.
@timdixon1640
Жыл бұрын
Me too, also Roger Maris!
@snave59
Жыл бұрын
You don't have a hall of fame.
Pete Rose is already in the Hall of Fame . All his uniforms and stories are there. He just didn’t get a plaque
@EarthtonesCymbals
Жыл бұрын
That is a fact Michael. He is in the Cincinnati Reds Hall of Fame as well. That is a fact. This back and forth BS is so played out. The facts are what matter. Everything else is just personal feelings, opinions and beliefs.
Oh rub some Blue Emu on it John.
@nicks7690
5 жыл бұрын
Harland Waters ...Johnny certainly is quite the hemorrhoid.
@TheBatugan77
5 жыл бұрын
@Harland Waters Your name sb Jack Cass.
@TheBatugan77
5 жыл бұрын
@@nicks7690 Yeah. You're Nick Sphincter.
@nicks7690
5 жыл бұрын
TheBatugan77 👈🏻 look at this Harland... Johnny Bench’s hemorrhoid can type!
@dannycoker6439
4 жыл бұрын
Nick S lmao Nick Lol 😂
Johnny Bench had a much different response to an unknown reporter on whether or not Pete Rose Should be in the Hall of Fame. That was in May of 1995. Johnny Bench was very annoyed at the reporter's question, he gave him a lecture on breaking the rules of baseball.
Absolutely the greatest catcher in my lifetime, nobody else comes close.
THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE INDUCTED INTO THE BBHF 1) Have to have played 10 years in the US major leagues 2) Have to be retired at least 5 full seasons (or dead, or incapacitated) 3) Cannot be on the "banned from baseball" list (contrary to popular belief, this only became a rule circa 1990 so it would apply to Pete Rose)...WHAT A COINCIDENCE HUH?
@riplittle
5 жыл бұрын
@hiram hacklesworth Donald Trump is a piece of shit
@robertsantangelo8018
5 жыл бұрын
Great ball player but he blew it all by himself👎
@RicardoRoams
5 жыл бұрын
@hiram hacklesworth, The nation would be better off if that had been in effect in 2016.
@fredwright5954
3 жыл бұрын
@__________________ and here is the conspiracy minded, antifa supporting, constitutional burning libtard on cue. Let's not forget the infanticide supporter
I never liked Pete Rose but he IS a Hall of Famer.
@coryburns1905
5 жыл бұрын
You know what Pete Rose achievements where as a player he was no longer a player when he gambled
@ThekiBoran
5 жыл бұрын
Really? Show us. baseballhall.org
@martinw28703
4 жыл бұрын
Pete Rose was selected to the All Star game at 6 different positions. Only player ever!
@demonkingbadger6689
3 жыл бұрын
@@martinw28703 yes, he was versatile, so?
@ethancbaker2002
3 жыл бұрын
@Randummm it’s funny how you can use steroids and cheat that way but when you bet on baseball you suddenly don’t honor baseball as America? Gtfo bruh They’re legit murders and other people that are in the hof but Rose isn’t because he bet on baseball. I’m not condoning his actions or acting as if he didn’t do anything wrong but we let people that have legit committed felonies in why not let Rose have a a 2nd chance? Seems pretty hypocritical to me
I can understand Bench's spite for Rose. It must be truly humiliating for Bench to have to talk about Pete Rose so much. Host: My next guest played catcher in the major leagues for many years. Hello Johnny Bench, welcome to my show - it's so good of you to come tonight Bench: Thank you for having me, I'm glad to be here. Host: Johnny, what are your thoughts about Pete Rose? It must be humiliating to not talk about yourself, but someone people absolutely despise. All of the accomplishments and the only thing Bench talks about is Rose's betting on baseball......... Not steroids, not cocaine, not manipulation of the game, not the strike, not the B.S. home run derbies MLB has every few years when they quit drug testing. No, it's only about Rose betting on baseball.. Rose must have slept with Bench's wife or something.....
I'm getting this feeling that the HOF club is full of aging prissy juveniles.
@NortonsNestMonthly
2 жыл бұрын
No, the Hall just needs to be free of those banned from the Hall for life for gambling on games they took part in.
But its ok for steroids i would rather have a gambler than a steroid user who stole records in the hall
@brianreed1859
5 жыл бұрын
Ancient rule and it's not like he threw a World Series. Big difference from the 1919 Black Sox scandal. And what about all the amphetamine users? They played more games, more years and got more hits and RBI's than they would have gotten. Can't single out 1 or 2 cheaters. Have to nail all the cheaters or let them all in the HOF
@brianreed1859
5 жыл бұрын
@Rod Allen - i don't disagree with you. If they wish to ban him from current MLB activity I'm in 100% agreement BUT put him in the HOF where he belongs. Keeping him out of the HOF because of a mistake is unfair. The HOF is a shrine for the best players in the game and Pete Rose is 100% among the best ever in the game. Charlie Hustle was someone players should all aspire to be more like. Again ban him from coaching or managing, i get that. But he earned his right as a player to be in the HOF
@jayss10
5 жыл бұрын
@@brianreed1859 In this regard that whole era IMO is suspect. I'm certain there are dozens if not 100's of players that used during that era that we don't know about.
@brianreed1859
5 жыл бұрын
@@jayss10 - i agree. Just look at all the players that played 162 games almost every year and those could be your guilty parties
@brianreed1859
5 жыл бұрын
@hiram hacklesworth - so no steroid players but again what about the amphetamine players? Story is trainers were handing out amphetamines like they were vitamins
And yet not one Astro player is banned for life. Pete didn't cheat or bet against his team, its time he's in the HOF
@mrmac123
3 жыл бұрын
So true! Illegal to bet with your team is wrong??? Pete HOF!
@thequinlanshow3326
3 жыл бұрын
I dont know how betting on yourself to win is worse than literally rigging the game into your favor. Not to mention all the cheaters, criminals, and steroid users in the hall of fame. But no, being confident enough to bet on your own team to win is somehow worse. The MLB is so ass backwards.
@terryc.3624
Ай бұрын
Love the Astros, all haters also suffer from TDS.....Dusty miss ya my friend..
Why is gambling the cardinal sin in baseball? It doesn't determine the outcome of games like steroids and what the Astros did.
@Ken5244
Жыл бұрын
Actually it could, and very likely would, influence the outcome of games. As just one example, let's say a player places a bet on a game (not one of his team's games). And let's say he's good friends with the pitcher on one of those teams. Let's say he bets $25K that his friend's team will lose that game. What's to stop him from calling his friend and telling him to groove some fastballs right down the middle of the plate to the other team's best hitters? Or what's to stop that pitcher from throwing a wild pitch with the bases loaded so that the other team wins? Or do a hundred other things to throw a game, with the understanding that he and his bettor friend will split the winnings? Or let's say that player gambles on his own team and places large bets that his team will lose. He now has an incentive to throw the game. Make an error at a critical point in the game, or strike out on purpose, or fall down while running the base paths and get thrown out, or whatever. Gambling on one's sport cannot be tolerated by a league. Too many players are unethical. Look at all the cheaters MLB has had, from Bonds, McGwire, Canseco, Palmerio, Clemens and others (steroids), to throwing doctored pitches (Niekro, Sutton, Perry, et al.). And God only knows how many dozens or hundreds more that have cheated and never gotten caught. And as you pointed out, the Astros.
I just watched a vid where Rose was praising Bench as the best catcher. LOL Bench tossed Rose under the bus in this vid. LMAO
@obbor4
3 жыл бұрын
That Bench was the best catcher ever is hardly debatable. He was. Pete broke baseball rule number one. He had a chance to come clean, possibly given some sort of pass, and he remained in denial. Johnny never said anything about Pete as a player, but the game is bigger than any one person. The feds had the goods on Pete, he signed a partial confession to keep from being prosecuted, then played for sympathy in the court of public opinion. That and a dime would get you a cup of coffee in the days before Starbucks. Not any more. Pete bet on baseball. Most likely, he bet against his own team. He's out. This effects his records not one bit. He still gets paid to show up places and talk about it. He still has his memories. He's still Pete Rose.
So ridiculous. They forgot to mention that a ton of Pete Rose's memorabilia is already in the Basement Hall of Fame.
The gambling and the lying (that came afterward BTW) doesn't in any way diminish the numbers Rose put up. Nor does it negate how he played the game - magnificently I might add. He belongs.
@peanutsmcgonnagle2458
3 жыл бұрын
'Great job and comment. That's Bob Costa's comment (who I can't stand) when he said about Pete, "someone got those 4,200+ hits!" So yes, of course Pete belongs in the HOF.
@SAOProductions1955
3 жыл бұрын
@@peanutsmcgonnagle2458 Yes indeed!
@markw4206
Жыл бұрын
@@peanutsmcgonnagle2458 He got those 4,256 hits because he kept playing LONG after he'd become a detriment to his team. NEGATIVE wins contributed to his teams during those last six years while he egotistically chased Cobb. His hits "record" is a farce.
Thank you johnny Bench
The Baseball Hall of Fame is zero joke, especially the voting.
Funny story...my family bumped into Johnny Bench when I was coming out of a surgery. I was loaded up on pain meds but I knew I recognized him. I just couldn't figure out how. I asked my wife to ask him and she hesitantly asked him if he knew me. He graciously admitted who he was. We have two photos he let us take as a group with him. Such a class act.
Sounds to me like he’s saying “he makes us look bad” when his remarks mean “his records make us look bad”. Cmon Johnny. I loved Bench and hated Rose growing up...my how things change.
@orbonds3603
4 жыл бұрын
Mr morality john bench...same guy that cheats on his wife......with men...true story...im a cincy boy born and raised...no one likes him here
@orbonds3603
4 жыл бұрын
Also he has illegitimate kids that he ignores. Hes a punk
@dinoirish5984
3 жыл бұрын
@@orbonds3603 Johnny Bench bangs dudes?! I don't need details, but where did that come from?
@fredwright5954
3 жыл бұрын
@@dinoirish5984 probably on a Pete Rose fanboy site
@nathanielmcdonald17
3 жыл бұрын
@@dinoirish5984 its kinda been a rumor around Cincy for years
Dude didn't even pay his gambling debts.
@adamdorgant9454
Жыл бұрын
You’re right about that, and Not to mention he served time in Prison for Tax Evasion!!!!
Though a nice place, the hall of fame truly means nothing . Rose will always be the all time hit leader and a great ball player. In fact , the fact that he isn't in the hall of fame will make him more famous than many in the hall of fame.
Pete should be in the Hall of Fame. He legitimately broke all those records. He was truly one of the greats and never cheated with steroids. He was never arrested for assaulting women like athletes do today. Played clean baseball throughout his career
@NortonsNestMonthly
2 жыл бұрын
Tony, you still don't get it. Rose is not in the Hall because of gambling on games in which he took part. It has nothing to do with his stats, as immortal as they are.
@bauerj3398
11 ай бұрын
And yet, and yet, in every clubhouse in baseball, including when Rose played, the rule is listed, and the penalty is specific. He was a degenerate gambler and liar. He bet on anything. He bet on baseball. He bet on baseball games he was involved in. And he most assuredly bet against his own team. But yeah, he should be in the Hall 🙄