"Populism is a term liberals apply to the political blowback of their policies that they fail to comprehend." John Gray

@nancya8262

Жыл бұрын

wasn't that exactly right? I am in the US and Hillary calling Trump supporters "deplorables" just sums it up.

@craigb4913

Жыл бұрын

@@nancya8262 Hillary is the epitome of the clueless elite that is convinced that anyone who disagrees with them is stupid or evil.

@celiacresswell6909

Жыл бұрын

It seems a similar mindset to people who were enthusiastic about universal covid vaccination: a sort of revulsion for the contrary view

@rogcrater8193

Жыл бұрын

Populists are worse than liberals, though. By several orders of magnitude.

@celiacresswell6909

Жыл бұрын

Well I guess your assertion takes populism as appealing to our basest instincts. What I don’t like about liberalism is its reach for the moral high ground but without guts or intellectual honesty: not always, but often

All hope is lost. I used to love my country and the people who live in it. But now I think we are a nation of sheep led by psychopaths.

@joncrane7661

Жыл бұрын

Stop wingeing and do something. Spread the news. Start a coffeehouse group. I.e a parallel society. Bring people together. You will feel better,

@brightspacebabe

Жыл бұрын

As an American, I know how you feel. But don’t give up. I love what is good with my country, and reject the rest. I don’t follow any side of politics. Find your strengths, and build on what you can change. Time for my daily run. Stay strong friend!❤

@hschan5976

Жыл бұрын

That's the only way a nation state can work. If every citizen on the street is a philosopher and a strategist it won't be long before the nation gets torn apart and devolves into city states. Edit: unless a dictator emerges, crushes all the secessionist and individualist movements, and then rolls out brainwashing educational programs to once again turn the populace into sheeps. After that democracy can work again, for a few centuries before you'll have to rinse and repeat the above. And yes I'm an antinatalist. Civilization is a pyramid scheme.

@bewilderedbrit8928

Жыл бұрын

@@joncrane7661 Standing in two elections for UKIP annihilated my social life and my relationship. So no thanks, you are on your own. I've done my bit. Good luck.

@just_another32

Жыл бұрын

oh my gosh, what a horrible thought.

Could Sunak be a “political coup”? As Truss started talking about fracking, Sunak’s WEF-friends manipulated the the markets to force her out.

@microfarming8583

Жыл бұрын

Definitely that's the case. He was the chosen one all along. He was in California earlier this year taking his orders. Truss was set up and given bad advice and they punished her with the markets. All that gas from fracking is not what they want for the Great Reset agenda. She was used and discarded.

@megaduck7965

Жыл бұрын

Hunt is a WEF stooge as well , and he’s connected to the ccp very concerning stuff

@ian_b

Жыл бұрын

It's a coup. The details we may never know.

@megaduck7965

Жыл бұрын

@@ian_b absolutely correct

@adrianadrianoaimbot8178

Жыл бұрын

@@megaduck7965 unfortunately so is Ulf Kristersson, leader of the new rightwing coalition in Sweden.

The bizarre thing is that the situation we are in was created, in large part, by people like Richi Sunak...

@SuperMerlin2005

Жыл бұрын

In part? Lol

@johnpruett5258

Жыл бұрын

Because feudalism is the goal.

@januarysson5633

Жыл бұрын

He was a creator of the Covid lockdowns, wasn’t he? Is anyone still talking about this?

@msj5885

Жыл бұрын

I don't find it bizarre. It is entirely consistent.

@hariseldon3786

Жыл бұрын

@@msj5885 😁

Terrific. Freddie and Gray are owed gratitude.

Sunak squandered billions and now he says he's the saviour? Gtf

@fraserbailey6347

Жыл бұрын

For some time I have called him Ricky Screwcap because all that money he gave away was spend on cheap booze.

@spm36

Жыл бұрын

@@fraserbailey6347 I'd say itchy ballsack

@gerhard7323

Жыл бұрын

True, but if he hadn't done it then some other eedjut would. ALL our politicians were trying to conspicuously outdo each other remember. Egged on by a complicit, unquestioning media hooked on perpetuating this morbid obsession. It was an insane time and insane time most of us are now going to have to pay for and pay for dearly.

The most informed, honest, intelligent and coherent discussion I have heard on the subject matter, for too many years! (Looking forward to part 2, and I will be sharing both parts with everyone I know). Great show!

@spowebscott

Жыл бұрын

Well said. I was planning to post too but had nothing more to add than your comment

I'm afraid there's a profound economic crisis caused by me, but don't worry I'm here to compound on the mess I made!

@muppetturd

Жыл бұрын

Well shame on you. Stop doing it. Naughty you

@nonoyorbusness

Жыл бұрын

@@muppetturd Klaus says NO!

@scillyautomatic

Жыл бұрын

Gee, thanks, Nono! You could have told us this sooner! 🤣🤣

@blitz8702

Жыл бұрын

debt and interest is their speciality

@HelenA-fd8vl

Жыл бұрын

What about the little matter of Covid? Why don’t you blame the Chinese?

If the UK had managed her North Sea oil and gas resources for the long-term benefit of the country, as successive Norwegian Governments have by building up massive sovereign wealth funds, elected politicians could not be ousted by unelected financial institutions.

@user-zz9gn2dc3l

Жыл бұрын

Here here

@lukehunnable

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zz9gn2dc3l isn’t it “hear hear”?

@user-zz9gn2dc3l

Жыл бұрын

@@lukehunnable yes you're probably right. I don't know my hear's from my here's 😂

@lukehunnable

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zz9gn2dc3l 🤣👍

@kreek22

Жыл бұрын

Has the ruling class of the post-war era managed anything for the benefit of the country? Maybe one thing: jettisoning unprofitable colonial possessions.

Don’t tarnish brexiteers with the brush of cowardice, matey! Some of us had no illusions about ‘greater shelter’ and were more than happy to pitch into the world market with all its vagaries. I for one was (more or less) a sole trader, and sold my skills from London to Singapore. The global Brexit Britain didn’t work simply because there was no political appetite for it. Basically the political classes didn’t want it to work and so it didn’t happen. And some of us are very VERY angry about it.

@bridge_studio

Жыл бұрын

Brexit didn't work because it was always a bad idea.

@rogersinger3757

Жыл бұрын

@@bridge_studio and yours, I am sad to say, is just about the daftest comment I’ve ever read anywhere on any channel.

@just_another32

Жыл бұрын

I think you're right there and I noticed that too.

@GodsOwnPrototype

Жыл бұрын

Oh to have had the ethnic and law & order regime of Singapore operate in the UK!

@LoremIpsum1970

Жыл бұрын

I don't see myself as European and that's probably an age thing. Any step past the EEC was a mistake and I'm just not one for bureaucracy on a large scale.

Any pretence that the people had a say in how this country is run has been destroyed. It's the markets, it always was the markets.

@user-zz9gn2dc3l

Жыл бұрын

And the central bankers control our current government and main opposition the labour party.

@gerhard7323

Жыл бұрын

'The kindness of strangers' aka 'the markets'. Mark Carney wasn't right about most things, but his euphemistic warning was well-chosen here. Successive expedient, venal UK political elites have long betrayed the the long term interests of the people of the UK, particularly since the days of Margaret Thatcher.

When democracy changes leadership every 2-4 years how can you expect to hold to a set course to see if a plan works or not?

@evolassunglasses4673

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Globalisation destroyed the nation state democracy decades ago.

Had to comment on that long middle section, he is absolutely spot on. I can summarize a lot of what he's saying there simply by stating "culture runs deep".

It is so refreshing to listen to John Gray and I cannot wait to hear what he has to say about China, Russia and the war in Ukraine. Thank you Freddie - for your hard work in bringing in such an interesting person like John Gray to Unheard.

John Gray is in my opinion Britains finest modern mind in his wide and encompassing grasp of politics, economics, literature and history in towe. Quite remarkable how well read he is. I very much hope as a result of this podcast he is more widely picked up on by the mainstream. &thank you unherd and freddie for reaching out to him for this chat admist all the turmoil in the UK at the moment. we need John's clarity and thoughts more than ever!

@kreek22

Жыл бұрын

I prefer Dominic Cummings.

@gutzb9574

Жыл бұрын

@@kreek22 eh?

@AggroChip

9 ай бұрын

@@gutzb9574 He's a really crappy philosopher though

"Populism is a term liberals apply to the political blow-back from their policies that they fail to comprehend." Just had to memorise that😀

@emeraldcelestial1058

Жыл бұрын

classic reactionary statement 😎

I voted for Brexit because I didn't like being ruled from Europe. What the UK would do after that, whether grand or ignoble, was less important to me, so long as it would be democratic. I think most Brexiteers shared similar motivations. It was a sovereignty issue, not an economic one. It's the sovereignty stupid.

@TheFragilityOfIdeas

Жыл бұрын

I shared the same sentiment, only to then realise just how contemptible the British political class is and that Brexit wasn’t enough, as our ruling elite are a mixed bag of self-serving, treacherous and incompetent fools who do not seem to share the sentimentality towards the UK as large swatches of the demos, but view it as a platform for their personal and professional enrichment.

@evolassunglasses4673

Жыл бұрын

We left the EU but are still captured by the Global American Empire and its open borders Globalisation project.

@NorthernObserver

Жыл бұрын

Which is why the capitulation to the EU human rights court on refugee policy is such a betrayal.

@gerhard7323

Жыл бұрын

I agree, but Brexit wasn't an event remember, it is a process and it was always going to be a slow, painful process. These mostly contemptible individuals are a product of the existing political status quo not the direct result of Brexit. Our own political establishment had become infantilised and in thrall to the EU political establishment for many decades now. That, unfortunately, takes years to undo and re-establishing the democratic process is the only way it will be achieved.

This rapid turnover of PMs is starting to resemble that of France during the Third and Fourth Republics. The saying then was that American tourists would go to London to see the changing of the guard, and to Paris to see the changing of the government.

It might be useful to have this same conversation with Prof.Alexandr Dugin and have him explain the current state of Britain and the world as seen in the light of his Fourth Political Theory and Great Awakening.

Moseley’s speech on multi culturalism covers all this too, the stripping of British industry to sweat shops in asia....no wonder they hate the guy, he was open and honest and told the truth

@no-one-knows321

Жыл бұрын

Enoch was shut down hard. No popular candidates possible.

@evolassunglasses4673

Жыл бұрын

Blood and soil.

Fascinating & illuminating. I feel like I have to re-listen several times because there are so many pertinent points made in each sentence, particularly about the different factions, visions of the world, powers, players, etc. Superb content

@tallard666

Жыл бұрын

John remains in the total, as Noam Chomsky is failing horribly in his age, even as they both have the same posture.

How much more pain do people who voted for the Tories have to endure before they admit they made a massive mistake?

@user-zz9gn2dc3l

Жыл бұрын

Labour would have done the same with bells on. Remember them calling for earlier, harder, longer lockdowns and mandates. They didn't support working people or small to medium sized businesses that our economy has always relied upon! They didn't even support or stand for freedom of speech!

@debbiegamon1232

Жыл бұрын

@R D please would you give some references to those admissions of massive failure?

@debbiegamon1232

Жыл бұрын

@R D so they admitted that? Not sure of your point. The lockdown policies were incredibly damaging, yes.

@evolassunglasses4673

Жыл бұрын

People vote Tory to block Labour/ Corbyn.

@curvomatic5097

Жыл бұрын

Labour are just as much a part of the global order as the tories... there is no longer even the pretence of democracy in the UK!!

Brilliant!! Wonderful episode, I will look forward eagerly to the second part. Mr. Gray is a pleasure to listen to and an incredible font of knowledge.

Great conversation! Thanks Freddie and Gray! Looking forward to part 2. (A bit mean of you to suddenly cut it off when you did and make two episodes out of it) :D

It’s the underlying properties of a monetary system that bends ideological preferences into caricature.

What a breath of fresh air. Fascinating conversation.

The best, most relevant perspective reviewing these past few years and current, and likely, future situations.

What an excellent, insightful, and balanced discussion. Thank you Unherd.

What a fantastic conversation. 100%.

Such a breathe of fresh air this. Really appreciate a more honest conversation about what's going on.

Thank you. I found that a fascinating, clear and unsettling high level analysis of politics in the UK, particularly the last 25 years or so.

Speak to Jeffrey Sachs Freddie he will certainly tell you the truth of course every intelligent person already knows it even if the won't say so.

Excellent discussion, thanks!

The remark that the Rishis of the world are not conceptually equipped to understand what is going on is perhaps correct. Schools from which 30-50-year-old generations' elites graduated from could have not possibly prepared them to the deglobalized world we ended up in.

@celiacresswell6909

Жыл бұрын

I went to his school - and I run self sufficiency courses. While not perfect, it was a masterclass in how to think broadly and sceptically!

Thank you for this insightful interview with John Gray, one of my favourite thinkers. Can’t wait for Part 2!

I was looking for the clear analysis that the comments spoke of but 20 minutes in hadn’t seen a prospect of it. They seemed to agree generally so much that neither had to be very clear just what they were agreeing about.

Brilliant analysis, not hard of John Gray before but will be looking out for more , well done Freddie.

Your conversation helped me understand some nuances of English politics. Thank you.

There's a UKIP, SDP, Reclaim Party collab now. And who knows what Farage will do.

The main reason people voted for Brexit was to stop immigration. That is it!

@lifeintheolddog5768

Жыл бұрын

I suspect it was for many the embodiment of the British working person’s dream - to tell those who would tell them what to do, to get stuffed.

@user-zz9gn2dc3l

Жыл бұрын

Being a sovereign nation was a massive part of it because the EU is run by unelected officials.

@JosephStealin

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zz9gn2dc3l yes but the main reason people noticed that we are not sovereign is our complete inability to maintain our own boarders.

@evolassunglasses4673

Жыл бұрын

Agree. A country with no borders isn't a country.

@JosephStealin

Жыл бұрын

@Teesee so you want immigrants to come to be your slave labour? Firstly how many of the fighting aged men coming daily on boats do you really think are becoming Doctor’s or nurses? Secondly do immigrants not also require the NHS and schools? more people means more of a strain on our services Thirdly we should pay a decent wage not just import cheap labour! Fourthly do you think it is a good idea to deprive other countries of their Doctors and nurses? Man you really are a racist

Not really convinced that the people who voted for Brexit did so to be protected. Would like to see any evidence for that.

Loved it!

Thank you, Freddie. The last few weeks have been both abhorrent and astounding to witness. As soon as The Markets packed it in over Truss, and then Hunt replaced Kwarteng, I smelled rats. One point though, as Peter Hitchens mentioned, every western country that has brought in proportional representation has had subsequent left-leaning govts. I’m not sure if that’s true, but it certainly has had dire consequences for New Zealand, allowing Labour there to come into power at the whim of one disgruntled megalomaniac.

@RustyCohle

Жыл бұрын

All these 'leaders' are nothing more than puppets (Ardern, Sunak, Trudaeu, Biden), if they veer from the script in any meaningful way, they're gone, in a sense they have little more power than you or I.

@MichaelJordan-yy1sr

Жыл бұрын

With respect to nz, there was a conservative govt from 2008-2016 under the same voting system that exists now….

That was a much more interesting and thoughtful discussion of British politics and government than usual.

I can never hear enough from John Gray!

Loved it so educational thanks guys 👏👏

Its a very good podcast. 👍👏👏.

Real quality observation, synthesis and articulation. Looking forward to part 2.

They should all be sacked and never to work in politics again. EVER. I hear mumbo jumbo instead of court hearings.

John Gray is very careful in not saying what could be done, what could work. This is the correct attitude for a philosopher but impossible one for a politician. In his second part he speaks about tragic realism. That seems close to the mark. We are entering the period of social disintegration and the question is what should be preserved. Different parts of society have different parts which they want to keep, and these are probably lines around which fragmentation will happen.

An excellent discussion - thus far, too little has been said about the different reasons the British people got behind Brexit and as a left-leaning Brexiteer it's been difficult to tease out these different threads in the heat of battle. The binary nature of the referendum meant accepting some strange political bedfellows, but as we get further down the road and the smoke begins to clear we can begin to explore these differences and map out a route forwards. I agree with John Gray that despite the 'globalist coup', a simple return to the status quo ante is not an option and that gives me some hope for the future. I shall proceed straight to part two!.

I see John Gray, I click

This is excellent . I loved Grays books on liberalism and Hayek, but tried to not hear his more pessimistic arguments. However recent events are impossible to ignore, and all this chimes well with the excellent Twitter spaces of late with collingwood and Steve Davies. Grays points about the essential contradiction in delivering brexit is so well put.

The green new deal is not green. It is anti human life.

It seems like Mr Brian Nelson, is such wonderful guy, I can't hardly wait to meet him!

It was the 1990s and I was sitting in school listening to my teacher explaining and praising globalism. And I sat there and asked myself: Why? Why are we talking about this and why the insistence that this is something positive? It was crazy, like they wanted us to join a cult.

Brilliant analysis of greed, corruption , control, humanity, politics !!!

We indeed live in interesting times.

Thank you both for your wide-ranging and even-handed appraisal of the desperate situation faced by our country after the coup by Sumac and Hunt, I was relieved that you gave some sympathy to the views of Truss and Farage than that of the howling mob that destroyed poor Liz! I think that Nigel is going to be (yet again) a very significant figure in the next few days and months in our politics and I would like to see you accord him recognition on Unherd, You also referred to the views of the leader of the opposition (and also held by Sunac) on their utopian views on Net Zero which bring a collapse of the world as we know it. There are two very eminent scientists whose views should be better widespread Dr Judith Curry and Dr William Happer, both do not deny that there is global warming and that it is caused largely by humans but they have very different views on what the effects would be,I would very much like either one or both heard on Unherd

Read false dawn when it came out, I think his predictions for global capitalism panned out pretty well.

Gray sounds very critical and sceptical of liberalism but, when asked for his alternative, just falls back on a very vague liberalism. Very exasperating.

@NorthernObserver

Жыл бұрын

I’d Gray was brave enough to follow his conclusions he would be a champion of the Deep Right.

@RaHeadD10

11 ай бұрын

If he followed his conclusions he would be nick land and neo reactionary!!!

For everyone who loves this, read Nick Lands “the dark enlightenment” and Oswald Spengler.

"Emotional topology" is the term he uses to describe the fear of fascist WEF idealogies, policies & political interferences?! He seems totally ignorant of WEF & naive to the future mapped out for us. Digital IDs, CBDCs & social credit system is imminent, & national governments will be more impotent than they were during the health event. End the WEF! ✌🏻🕊

@user-zz9gn2dc3l

Жыл бұрын

Yes and end the behind the scenes control exercised by the central bankers, WEF, NATO and big corporations, NGO's, Foundations etc...they are toxic poison to our democracy.

@CL-he4jz

Жыл бұрын

oh look, I can't see the reply. again

This man is circular. He goes around and around and around until you’re either dizzy or your mind is boggled with boredom.

Agreed with so much of this, so was naturally a little disappointed when right at the end he correctly rejects the idea that desire for controlled immigration is inherently racist but then explained what he saw as the real motivation behind that desire as purely economical. I found that particularly strange as much of the rest of the interview focussed, quite rightly, on the self-evident fact that there are many more forces in play in the world than economics.

@jenniferlawrence2701

Жыл бұрын

Speaking openly (and sympathetically) about the real reasons might jeopardize his job at the New Statesman and get him saddled with accusations that he'd "gone to the dark side" so to speak.

Freemarket capitalism paradoxically would only work with rules and enforcement to stop big corporations from immediately becoming monopolise and defacto governments. Also it's not impossible to want to reduce immigration and want to liberalise the economy in the UK, even if the first problem is reducing inflation.

First past the post means the deals and the coalitions happen before the voters have their say. PR means all the deals happen after the voters have had their say. This is why 1stPTP is preferable to PR imo.

I am very, very much a "free market Brexiteer". It saddens me greatly that we cannot make it happen. Though I am not really sure Truss represented it. She wanted to increase government spending (massively). A free marketer would decrease government spending, as well as taxes.

Is stoicism compatible with humour? Mr Gray reminds me of Hari Seldon 'sans le mathematique'... Is there a second foundation? Perhaps last minute fare offers for Mars? Fortunately & unfortunately Messrs Gray & Sayers appear both frank & honest. My thanks to both.

Watch this space for a populist uprising :)

'disaster' is in the eyes of the beholder. Who understands disaster capitalism?

@presterjohn1697

Жыл бұрын

Disaster Capitalism? How does that work? Is this the part if Capitalism we don't like (or) just a natural progression.

@MacFrisco

Жыл бұрын

@@presterjohn1697 "As Naomi Klein argued in The Shock Doctrine, disaster capitalism operates by delivering massive shocks to the system and then using the ensuing period of anarchy, fear and confusion to reassemble the pieces of what it has broken into a new configuration. This is what was done in the aftermath of the financial crisis, and it is ultimately what is at stake in Brexit. The right wing of the Tory party has succeeded in throwing the UK’s affairs into complete confusion. The losses may be enormous: the preservation of the United Kingdom in its present form is far from certain. The winnings may, at first sight, seem modest: £350m a week will not be available to save the NHS; the free movement of labour will have to be conceded; and Britain will lose its place at the EU negotiating table. But the potential winnings for ruthless politicians are nevertheless enormous: the prize is the opportunity to rework an almost infinite range of detailed arrangements both inside and outside the UK, to redraw at breakneck speed the legal framework that will govern all aspects of our lives" “If you break it, you own it” www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/04/disaster-capitalism-tory-right-brexit-roll-back-state smile.amazon.com/Shock-Doctrine-Disaster-Capitalism-Paperback/dp/B00OHXGECO/

@presterjohn1697

Жыл бұрын

@@MacFrisco Feels like fascist to me. Fascism is a defense-mechanism of capitalism in its death throes. Capitalism naturally develops on a path toward fascism. From it's inception Capitalism has always been rife with inherent undemocratic fascistic qualities. Capitalism in it's "orthodoxy" relies heavily on authoritative, controlling, and lopsided power dynamics, most notably between that of capitalists and the people, land and resources they exploit for profit.

I appreciate the generous amount of blue 😊

Populism is what people call democracy when they don’t like the outcome

Entirely correct summary of recent political history and I think probably accurate predictions, except with regards to Farage, who of course was totally against mass, uncontrolled immigration and was publicly beaten up for being so.

Was it just me but I found Gray to be the most mind numbing interviewee ever seen on Unheard. If it is only me, I will go through the ordeal a second time!

@onesmallkayak

Жыл бұрын

He's trying very hard not to sound like Boris.

@richardburton1816

Жыл бұрын

@@onesmallkayak Thanks His tone and syntax just sounded disingenuous Similar to when I tried reading Steven Pinker's book

@BlueInk912

Жыл бұрын

No voice training. ;) or better tech in recording/mic to compensate for low volume/pitch of his voice. I have yet to find lecture or interview on web where i didn't just gave up! Pity.

@richardburton1816

Жыл бұрын

@@BlueInk912 I was watching at 2X speed as usual and therefore what you suggest was exaggerated.

@BlueInk912

Жыл бұрын

@@richardburton1816 perhaps my hearing in picking up John's voice. Good on your hearing, even if i could hear him comfortably wont match your comprehension capabilities 2x speed.

I find Gray's analysis interesting, but I'm missing solutions. Regarding Truss, I don't think it was conspiratorial elites that got rid of her. Just incompetence.

@cioran1754

Жыл бұрын

Have you read Straw Dogs?

@chrismackenzie4789

Жыл бұрын

@@cioran1754 No, but I'm going to after this video.

@cioran1754

Жыл бұрын

@@chrismackenzie4789 it could be viewed as quite a downer on human nature, human progress in ethics etc is not cumulative ( even if scientific knowledge can be ), think that's what I was getting at here, and Straw Dogs is all about that, just a heads up !

The problem is not first past the post. Proportional representation causes chaos where different groups fight and hold each other for ransoms to get their way. The problem with first past the post in the UK is that the Conservatives agree with too many Labour policies. There really isn’t a different vision between the two parties.

In both the US & UK our legislative bodies have been disempowered. In the US Congress is the Article 1 branch for a reason. In the UK you describe yourself as a parliamentary democracy for a reason. That is where the power is supposed to be centered. It has taken years of chicanery in both countries to achieve this sorry and untenable state of affairs. Hoping for the rise of some personality or ideology to set things right will not work. We need to rekindle a measured respect for the general will reflected by legitimate representatives in assembly. That's where reform needs to be focused. Dismantle the arcane rules.

This lacks a discussion on the old FIAT paradigm and the new Bitcoin paradigm.

@just_another32

Жыл бұрын

That's another video for another day, my friend!

The term is REVENGE OF THE NERDS

Man this macro econ talk is fun but holy shit the ironic myopic nature of it all is brutal

There is a massive opportunity for a "Red Tory/Blue Labour" party to emerge if only someone can instigate it. There is, in my estimation, a large pool of voters who are somewhat socially conservative on things like immigration & culture, but also lean Left on economics. This combination seems to be what electorates in many Western countries really want, but for some reason can't get.

I don’t think John’s point about Labour soaring in the polls is testament to our lack of polarization. All that is happening is the people who wanted a return to sovereignty, relatively low immigration and to get rid of the wokery, have quite rationally stepped away. Because they’ve realised that the political establishment and the expert class who run all of our unelected institutions, refuses to carry out their democratic duties, when those duties go against their socially progressive, left wing, Intra national vision of the global village. Leaving the right leaning electorate without political representation. Labour are just the lucky beneficiaries of the plummeting support for the Tories. Labour are not the beneficiaries of a massive upswing in popularity, among an open minded, politically mature electorate, willing to vote across the divide when the Tories slip up.

@NorthernObserver

Жыл бұрын

Yes. This is exactly it

This is an unforgivable digression, but Freddie Sayers is just so handsome

@katenavajo9359

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@_.dace._

Жыл бұрын

It's not enough Nela :)

@peachy7776

Жыл бұрын

hope he sees this sis 🤣

@judithcressey1682

Жыл бұрын

No, he's not.

@helsonwheels5175

Жыл бұрын

He is Nela. Intelligence and beauty. A potent and heady mix. ❤

Interesting dialogue...my humble opinion is , the east can save the west, but will the west accept that the sun rise in the East?

@alexk48

Жыл бұрын

How can the east save the west? Engineer a western Dalite caste?

Refreshing. None of the knee jerk dismissal of the "populist" movement. Technocrat is a great term for it, those who arrogantly know what's right and flat out dismiss the real world.

seeing they messed up the fuel situ they should have freezed the rate and pay the excess on peopoles bills. I'm sure they'll still be flying in their private jet and paid drivers. I'm sure downing street and buckingham palace will be nice and cosy this winter.

We're back in the 1920s again.

@evolassunglasses4673

Жыл бұрын

Let's hope the good side wins this time, if its a 30s replay....

Is this guy really a ‘foremost’ philosopher? I read ‘Straw Dogs’, and thought it was shit.

OK, so to sum up John Gray, everyone is insufferably stupid... except John Gray. Thx, John. Got it.

@scillyautomatic

Жыл бұрын

@bartley butsford and the he said "They'll throw the green new deal out the window." I am SO looking forward to that!

Insightful,but I wish people would stop saying 'Boris'.

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If you balance your books you don't need to worry about the markets. If you want to run a deficit and borrow, that is your choice, but don't complain that the lenders set the rate of interest.

The Blob are back in the driving seat and they are very happy with Hunt in number 11 I expect austerity to be with us for a very long time to come , they are making the same mistakes again .

Hopefully, someday John will discover the depth of philosophy of Paschal's wager, noting it was refreshing to hear how a two party "system" is not sufficient for any government even without specifying the obvious, that, with the absence of morality [which he refutes is possible for mankind], all that remains is disorder, chaos, and insanity. Technology in and of itself is not evil, but using technology to sensor ideas or the Truth is evil. Hence, he does arrive at the correct analysis/conclusion, about the current state of worldly affairs, but the cause of the problem is not "religions"; the cause of the problem is man's fall from morality, not the incorrect notion that man is not capable of morality, as we have historical proof of thousands of saints who knew, loved and served both God and mankind. What is ironic is that philosophy literally comes from philos (loving) and sophis (wise/wisdom) and wisdom is distinct from knowledge and wisdom is of God, as is Love. The essence of Philosophy is an all knowing, wise, loving and mysterious God. Also interesting is John says, "Where did it all come from? The devil." Knowing John is atheist, was he being facetious, because he is actually discovering the ultimate and actual source of the chaos and evil. How do atheists reconcile or explain spiritual beings that they reference since they can't exist (creation) without God.

At no point in the {excellent} interview were the WEF mentioned in spite of the fact that they are pulling all the strings.

@cygnusrays

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for highlighting that, I don't need to listen to any more if that isn't in the conversation. It should be foremost in every political discussion imo.

this is Voltaire's Bastards part 2

Brasil

Richard Sunak

Here we go again with the terminology fuckery. Swap Technocrat for Corporatist.

@presterjohn1697

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@@yishainathan The shills are running out of words to conceal what's really going on. Throw people off the trail. The term Technocrat is rarely if ever used within the english lexicon. Most are unable to accurate define it to begin with. The world is currently being governed under a corporatist system (fascism) in which governments are largely acting as privatized entities.

@just_another32

Жыл бұрын

The meanings are not the same. Check the definitions!

@presterjohn1697

Жыл бұрын

@@just_another32 So let's define Technocrat. Once you decide what it means ask yourself who do these so called Technocrats serve? Answer: Corporatists The use of the term Technocrat is a word game who's purpose is to confuse post-literate idiots and throw them off the trail.