It's never emphasized that his mother-in-law and father-in-law lost 2 children that day. I always think of them when I hear this story.

@joincoffee9383

Жыл бұрын

The lesson is: Don’t marry a 2nd generation rich/powerful/famous. As they didn’t earn it by their IQ, ability or effort, therefore There can be big gaps between what they think they can do and what they are capable.

@burgundybabyy

Жыл бұрын

Yes. This. This would GUT me.

@heidiford4451

Жыл бұрын

I think jfk jr had ADD and he did not do well in school people in school described him as scattered. Usually with untreated ADD they tend to be impulsive and lead to poor chooses. I think to fly that late in the evening was a poor choice cost him and his crew lives.

@bunnymad5049

Жыл бұрын

@@heidiford4451 I agree it sounds like he had it for sure. I've got it and Dr G describing some of those attributes I was going ding, ding, ding!!! Sounds like there were character issues too, but I think you're very astute there.

@tonym994

Жыл бұрын

@@sharonmorine5407 and Ted got pretty busted up in a plane crash.

A flight instructor explained it this way: Engineers make good pilots because they understand and respect design limitations and the laws of physics. Doctors, lawyers, and politicians tend to be less safe in the cockpit because they feel a sense of entitlement. Rules are for others, not for me. They become accustomed to breaking rules and getting away with it.

@djcavanaugh

Жыл бұрын

@@vernonfrance2974 NTSB report said it was spatial disorientation, basically flying VFR in instrument conditions. Horizon obscured by haze. The report also said he was not rated for instrument-only flight. If you disagree with the report, take it up with NTSB. Smithsonian channel "Air Disasters" made an episode about this flight and they covered the report in detail. I remember flight training. One of the lessons is where they block your view of the windshield and force you to fly on instruments. The purpose is to stop relying on visual cues if you accidentally fly into instrument conditions and lose sight of the horizon. Bad things happen in low visibility if you don't watch the instruments. An average private pilot with ordinary training has a good chance of surviving that flight. It's not that hard to check the altimeter, VSI, and attitude indicator, all of which were providing vital information.

@historylover2

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am a doctor and have profound respect for the laws of Physics and dangerous equipment.

@Bearwithme560

Жыл бұрын

I can't help but be reminded of Alec Baldwin after reading your excellent comment.

@raycoleman3183

Жыл бұрын

@@historylover2 You may very well be respectful and conscientious about rules and physics. However, in the aviation community, Doctors are notorious for crashing airplanes, usually with fatalities. There are probably several contributing factors….time constraints, money to buy faster, more complex aircraft, ego conditioning from a career of making life and death recommendations/decisions.

@harlequinhead2008

Жыл бұрын

@@raycoleman3183 Well said! Bravo for the doctor that states his way of doing things but unfortunately many of his colleagues are a dangerous problem. We have a number of doctors in our family who I have tremendous respect for but unfortunately we don’t live near them.

Thank you for not glamorizing or sugar-coating the Kennedy family behaviors

@bobburnitt5761

14 күн бұрын

Yes, those Kennedy's are the most OVER RATED people on earth. Man, if Jr. had of lived a long life, it was just a manner of time he would have the Presidency handed to him on a Silver Platter. I flat would NEVER vote for one of them, I don't care what he was peddling. I don't vote for Democrats in national elections anyway. They are way too socialist for me for sure. Then all of their clandestine connections.

His mother never wanted him to fly. After her passing, he started taking flying lessons. Jackie knew her son well.

@CindyRusher-jw2ed

19 күн бұрын

She overprotected her kids, making them weak.

@christinab9808

12 күн бұрын

She knew they (or at least Jr) weren’t very smart. He literally had to keep taking the bar until he finally passed it.

@user-yd6ef1yo9d

12 күн бұрын

@@christinab9808 And you know that because ....?

@afol4016

10 күн бұрын

If I had made a promise like he did to his mother, I wouldn't break it After She Was Gone. I would keep that promise. Period.

@peggystoutemorin4529

6 күн бұрын

Can you imagine the pressure he was under living in his father's shadow, knowing he wasn't terribly smart? His face stood in for all his inadequacies. I recall the media fawning all over him. ​@christinab9808

If I died driving at night, speeding in the rain, without my glasses on, people would say I was stupid, but when it happens to a Kennedy it's tragedy

@pamspurgers3578

Жыл бұрын

I think the tragedy is he killed two other people while using poor judgment.

@aprilcanipe2614

Жыл бұрын

Omg yes. Ridiculous

@fancynancymacy

Жыл бұрын

I so agree

@ellen5165

Жыл бұрын

I think when people say it is a tragedy, they are referring to the loss of what was expected, by some, to be his potential impact on the future of society/country, just because he was a Kennedy. I don't hold that view so no attacks please. For the rest of us, our loss wouldn't be considered impactful for anyone other than our loved ones or those who died with us, so yes our actions, in a similar circumstance, would be just considered stupid.

@dinacap2660

Жыл бұрын

jfk jr had ADD--he should never have been allowed to get a pilot s licence

In my early years as a flight instructor I had a couple of wealthy students that bought complex airplanes too early in their flight training. One was quite offended when I told him he needed to stick with the C-172 for a while. He decided to get a different instructor. A year and a half later he traded his Bonanza for a Baron and crashed it flying VMC into IFR conditions, scud running right until he flew into power lines 70 ft. above the ground. He lived but was badly injured. I moved on to an airline career and never flew light planes at night or in questionable weather again. My dad always hammered into my head night VFR flying is still instrument flying, no matter the visibility. Great analogy Dr. Grande. John Jr. was never told no.

@ph5915

2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree! I'm a C172 owner/pilot, there were all the factors in a fail-chain why that flight should not have occured in that circumstance. He could/should have waited until the next morning, or taken the CFI with him. I used to love to fly at night, it's often so serene and beautiful, but, in an emergency, when you have to land, what exactly is underneath you? I'm just a fair weather, daytime VFR pilot, have to have had plenty of rest, feel good, etc...Or, no-go, nothing is that urgent.

@Kevin_747

2 жыл бұрын

@@ph5915 People with your judgement are the positive side of General Aviation.

@DH-ve5bl

2 жыл бұрын

@ Kevin 747. Because of John’s status and prominence, everyone was afraid to contradict him, even if it was for his own good.

@joannemurdock7899

2 жыл бұрын

@@DH-ve5bl very sad!

@nancyfraunfelder9021

2 жыл бұрын

Right on! Completely agree!

Many years ago, I had a Boy friend who came from a very wealthy background and did his pilot's license for helicopters on the side. He always wanted me to fly with him, but as a flight attendant, safety was very important to me and I told him I would only fly with professional pilots. As you can imagine, the relationship didn't last long.

@L.Fontein7

Жыл бұрын

Lol....I hear you! Same here with one bf with a pilots license. I'd made up my mind early on that if he ever asked to take me up it would be a flat-out 'No' on my part.

@Mehki227

Жыл бұрын

I would have never gotten in the place with a bf or John John 😳

@indiaandrews6996

Жыл бұрын

Probably for the best.

@susanbutler6895

Жыл бұрын

You have a right to look out for you safety good on yoy

@alienvomitsex

Жыл бұрын

Smart woman

“He missed out on the benefit of being told no”. Excellent observation for those raised with privilege. Failure is an excellent teacher if one lets it be.

@manuelkong10

Жыл бұрын

IF one survives the lesson lol

@aarondavis8943

Жыл бұрын

Twas his ego that killed him and his companions. The ego is very dangerous.

@johncarroll5087

Жыл бұрын

This is a wildly uninformed piece of revisited history. And this man is not alive to defend himself. John was instrument qualified for the specific aircraft he was operating the night he crashed. He was serious in his approach towards flying and as how to operate it safely. He never flew without an instructor as he was working towards his pilot's license and needed to log in hours with one. When or if he ever decided to run for public office he would have won based on his casting couch looks and the Kennedy mystique alone. I would recommend John Hankey's John Kennedy Jr. Assassination on KZread if you can find it. I pose the question as to why The Pentagon ceased complete control of the investigation almost immediately. The fact that John never served a day in the military or had any association with it should speak volumes in of itself.

@marian9410

Жыл бұрын

it is sickening that Carolyn and her sister lost their lives because of the arrogance and careless disregard by John Jr

@lsophial

Жыл бұрын

@@marian9410 Don't say that, we don't know what his life was like at the time.

As a retired career aviator, I must say your videos that touch on aviation related stories are well analyzed compared to the gibberish from mainstream media.

@Adriana-vp1rm

Жыл бұрын

Well than u must know that it was murder. One pilot write an extensive story explaining in detail how it was not an accident. Most dumb dumbs even in aviation say it was an accident due to some factors but it wasn't. The airplane wouldn't fall the way it did if it was an accident. It was high - level murder. Men like him didn't need much training to begin with. He had natural intelligence and was a real man.

@isabelperez9607

Жыл бұрын

@@Adriana-vp1rm You’re saying the plane was rigged or it was double murder/suicide?

@Adriana-vp1rm

Жыл бұрын

@@isabelperez9607 First.

@isabelperez9607

Жыл бұрын

@@Adriana-vp1rm Why would someone want to kill them?

@Adriana-vp1rm

Жыл бұрын

@@isabelperez9607 Easy. U need to study about the sacrifices and Freemasons. They killed him because he wanted to be the next president.

I remember being with my dad in our Saratoga and he had picked me up in college at the University of Arkansas for Christmas and we were flying into Ithaca, New York. A blizzard came up. It had gotten dark. It was unexpected but severe. The Ithaca airport closed. The Binghamton airport closed. We had to fly into Elmira. As we were landing Daddy kept saying, "Kelly tell me when you see the runway lights." I strained and strained but no lights. That is how bad the visibility was that night. And then we landed right on the runway,. If he hadn't have had an instrument license to guide him in we would have been dead I am sure. JFK Jr.s story is a tragedy but totally preventable. I always have felt so bad for his wife's parents losing BOTH daughters in the same incident.

@karlyoung5089

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad y'all didn't crash. Your dad did a great job Kelly. God bless.

@paulasweeney7713

Жыл бұрын

Entitlement, ego, incapable of handling the. Plane led to disaster…. Tragic & painful 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

@sweetesthawaiianprincess8086

Жыл бұрын

Sad - maybe risk taking even had underlying self destructive elements. 😢

@kkheflin3

Жыл бұрын

@@karlyoung5089 Flying at night even in good weather is really not safe without an instrument rating. My dad was a great pilot. I was blessed to be able to fly with him during my childhood!

@kkheflin3

Жыл бұрын

@@sweetesthawaiianprincess8086 I think you are spot on. JFK Jr. was definitely a risk taker and most likely an "adrenaline junkie" looking at other aspects of his life. Wasn't he also on painkillers for a broken ankle at the time of the crash? So tragic.

15:38. F. Scott Fitzgerald "They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made." Quote from The Great Gatsby

@TranscendianIntendor

Жыл бұрын

I have watched this video twice. We want to believe very very badly that the wealthy will help us out of our difficulties because they have the money and money is power. They either don't or won't.

@alienvomitsex

Жыл бұрын

Zelda Fitzgerald wrote most of that novel, and her husband sadly plagiarized it. So loyal lol

@sandragrace4613

Жыл бұрын

@@alienvomitsex Interesting! ✨🌸✨

@grammichal6759

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the Eagles “Hotel California.”

@GregWatson-wb8yd

Жыл бұрын

WOW!

"He did not recognize or respect his own incompetence..." Ouch!

@seancidy6008

14 күн бұрын

I think he knew he was taking risks. The men in that family enjoyed doing risky things.

@elizabethcloutman8913

11 күн бұрын

@@seancidy6008 Yes. Exactly. I just read a new biography about his wife Carolyn. She, like all who knew and loved John, was horrified at his risk- taking. Basically, he explained that (and I’m paraphrasing here) he found that risky activity - and likely, I would bet, the resulting adrenaline rush calmed him when he was stressed.

@fancynancymacy

10 күн бұрын

Unfortunately, because of who he was, no one recognized or respected his incompetence

@suereed3474

8 күн бұрын

Learning one's limitations takes a lifetime, and many of us are lucky enough to survive to learn them!

@ronnie_5150

7 күн бұрын

Basically, he was surrounded by "yes men". When all the people in your circle keep telling you how amazing you are and you can do anything, and do no wrong, after awhile you start to believe it.

When this happened, I worked with a woman who just earned her commercial pilot's license. She explained that for him to be flying in the craft he was in, with the instruments he had, flying with his flight-hours, over open water, at night, was proof he had more money than sense.

@patriciaschuster1371

2 жыл бұрын

Spoiled, good-looking and he knew it. Oh well.

@kenyafromcali

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! Harsh, but very wise. 🙏🏾

@saskoilersfan

2 жыл бұрын

More money then cents... It makes more sense when you believe it's all lies. John is the mirror of two worlds .. Jackie and Caroline his sister . Jackie and Caroline his lover. Hey , fuck you .. Jaqueline and Jackie... Mom and Step mom. Caroline and carolyne , Sis and lover ? John with one set of Jackie and Carol. John with another set of Jackie and Carol . The prince and the mermaid. The prince and the mirror of his family . The prince and the wizard of Oz. C s Lewis died Nov 22 63. The book is called " the Kennedy Oz enigmas ". It's about the wizard of Oz killing Lincoln and mckinnley and Kennedy .

@hakbug

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and yet the company that allowed him are allowed to walk free. Anybody know if there were charges pressed against the responsible company?

@saskoilersfan

2 жыл бұрын

@@hakbug you people may know flying ..you may know laws ....but you know beans about storms. John is the mirror between Jaqueline and Jackie ./ Caroline and Carolyne. Jackie and Caroline and John and Carolyne and Jaqueline.

My husband had trained towards being a commercial pilot before changing course to buy a business. I was so upset about the tragedy and started parroting the excuses for John Jr as he walked in the door after work. My husband listened and then gritted his teeth and took a breathe and I could tell he was mad about the situation. He said, "It was 100% his fault. Those two girls would be alive if not for him."

@bonnenaturel6688

12 күн бұрын

and he was there right? No one knows what really happened. He was a high profile person who was well-liked and was going to likely be successful in politics. That would give him a lot of enemies.

As a 75 year old experienced at life and living, your analysis seems very accurate.

@chriskill08

2 ай бұрын

The part where he says JFKs poor leadership caused the death of two sailors was not accurate tho

Always felt sorry for the two women who didn’t realize what the hell could happen on that ill fated flight

@nomadscavenger

7 күн бұрын

But I think Caroline did, hadn't flown much with him. And she never loved him, IMHO. It's the not insisting on a co-pilot that shot down all her lucky *s. He refused one at the airport, but she could have insisted - maybe wanted to continue the fake support for his hobby? The real tragedy is the sister-in-law. All 3 RIP💐

It's a shame, especially learning a flight instructor volunteered to help and was turned down.

@kingayy9267

2 жыл бұрын

Wonder if JFK Jr. had one of those awful life-flashing-before-one's-eyes thoughts that "damn, I should've taken the instructor up on that offer" as it became clear that the plane was going down.

@debrakaiser7700

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingayy9267 So scary!

@shelleyc.2576

2 жыл бұрын

Terminal VelocityRaptor it doesn't sound like he was much of a comfort to the people in the aircraft . If possibly his last words were "we're not gonna make it."

@justnoted2995

2 жыл бұрын

that is what the flight instructor said he said.. after the fact

@DH-ve5bl

2 жыл бұрын

@ Terminal Velocity Raptor. According to Dr. Grande’s report, he had no idea anything was wrong until he hit the water and all three of them died instantly from the trauma.

Thank you for not sugar coating this as the media had out of being terrified of backlash.

@OnePost909

Жыл бұрын

Where, exactly, do you think Dr. G. got his information?

@gails.newberg2945

Жыл бұрын

….I BELIEVE THAT THE PASSING OF ‘ TIME ‘ ALLOWS HOT TOPICS TO COOL DOWN….🙄‼️

@raycoleman3183

Жыл бұрын

@@OnePost909probably from a variety of sources, but primarily from the NTSB investigative report. Also, Dr Grande displays, at minimum, a facility with aviation equipment and terminology, and possibly has some aviation experience in his life.

@OnePost909

Жыл бұрын

@@raycoleman3183 I got all my information on the basic cause of the crash from media sources I trust, and every one of them correctly and objectively described what happened. I found media sources that delved into the psychological backdrop to the incident. I guess maybe it depends on one's ability to find decent media sources. There's wheat and chaff in every field of endeavor: media, healthcare, teaching, entertainment, street cleaning, KZread comments sections.

Almost brought down a commercial airliner as well. THAT is beyond reckless.

@ingeliseolsen1450

15 күн бұрын

how?

@fionabegonia7802

15 күн бұрын

@@ingeliseolsen1450 He flew way too close to an American Airlines passenger plane. Did you not listen to the video just now?

@ingeliseolsen1450

15 күн бұрын

@@fionabegonia7802 I have NEVER heard that before

@Emy53

13 күн бұрын

​@@fionabegonia7802this is also the first time I heard of the incident regarding flying too close to a commercial flight, but I may have forgotten about that. Sometimes, reports come out much later after a full investigation is done. That would have been a huge tragedy. Losing John and Caroline, and her sister... were bad enough.

His poor passengers. His mother knew he was not capable. You summed it up well at the end.

I flew professionally for almost 40 years, 8 in the Air Force as an Instructor and Aircraft Commander and the rest at a major airline. Your analysis is pretty much spot on. Well done!

@MichaelBrodie68

2 жыл бұрын

As a professional pilot, do you think the autopilot might have cut out on occasions due to him not following check-lists? Isn't setting proper trim important to autopilots? I love flight simming, so this is just a guess.

@saskoilersfan

2 жыл бұрын

How many water geysers have you seen ? Ever see one take down a plane ?

@sirennoir258

2 жыл бұрын

I know a pilot who said he didn't have the training to fly in those conditions

@hugoverzella3591

2 жыл бұрын

The best grande very good information 👏

@johnw8927

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jay_Lo Thanks! I never got to fly in Desert Storm, but I did do Desert Shield missions.

In my very first flight lesson for my instrument rating, my instructor had me close my eyes and try to fly the plane based solely on "feel." I made small adjustments thinking I was keeping the aircraft straight and level. After about 20 seconds of this, my instructor had me open my eyes only to see that we were in a steep banked drive. When my eyes were closed the plane "felt" like it was level, although I had to make increasing more frequent adjustments to make it seem so. That 20 seconds stayed with me for the rest of my aviation career. VFR flying at night, especially near the ocean which has zero horizon at night, can be incredibly dangerous for low-experience pilots. I've always been amazed that night flying is allowed without an instrument rating, because it's so easy to get behind the airplane. RIP.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

2 жыл бұрын

@Phil Messenger I think Nelson already understands and does that and that wasn't him asking for unsolicited ''advice'' but corroboration of Dr Grande's conclusions.

@tankthearc9875

2 жыл бұрын

he should still be able to see his instruments

@davidmotter5140

13 күн бұрын

Night flying in the right conditions is actually in some ways easier then daytime and some night flying is required for your licsense but as with all flying you have to plan ahead

@nansmith8703

10 күн бұрын

I agree with you about night flying. Even when the area is lit up night flying felt very difficult to me. Apparently he had many hours of night flying but once he lost visual reference because he was too far out he was doomed. I asked an experienced pilot why he wouldn’t have watched his instruments and this pilot told me that he would not have believed his instruments. An unnecessary tragedy

This is one of the most level headed and fair analyses of an air disaster that I have ever heard. Your comments on the individual and the male family members is right on target.

My father was a plane mecanic, as well as a pilot. He knew those planes like the back of his hand. He would get so upset when he found out people were negligent with flying. He had seen too many people crashed and died due to irresponsible decisions.

@chucklemasters6433

15 күн бұрын

of course he did, that is one less customer!

My wonderful uncle Mike, USAF WW2, then PanAm Captain, complained bitterly flight schools were too easy going on rich kids, their main source of income. Many lesser knowns than JFKJr. met a similar fate. He believed ALL pilots should be tested equally; PiperCub or 747, for flying skills & knowledge of their particular aircraft. Then tested again for change of aircraft.

@canadianfortrump4057

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds like flight schools are at least partially to blame for these types of tragedies. Hopefully many of these flight schools have been exposed and prosecuted for their irresponsible practices.

@jeanpalumbo3411

2 жыл бұрын

The media hounded JFK Jr.. every chance they could get he was so handsome and that was one of the reasons,. Maybe if he was ugly they would have left them alone. I'm just glad his mother wasn't alive to witness the tragedy. She had enough🇺🇸

@joannemurdock7899

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeanpalumbo3411 Jackie I had read never wanted him to fly his plane!

@wendylee9779

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with Joanne Murdock. Jackie said NO to John taking flight lessons. She made him promise not to fly. Perhaps she was the only person to ever tell him no & he respected that, and her. Everybody loved John - much friendlier than his sister.

@jeanpalumbo3411

2 жыл бұрын

@@wendylee9779 I still say the airport was responsible for allowing him to get in that plane, they knew what he was capable of they should have taken the keys away.

One of my old flight instructors used to say, “There are bold pilots and there are old pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.” People watch movies like Top Gun and think they can be jockstrap clowns in a cockpit. That isn’t how it works. Safety is important, especially with passengers.

@semoneg2826

3 ай бұрын

Lol true

@sludge8506

24 күн бұрын

Did your flight instructor make that up himself?? Man, a man of wisdom!!

@JugSouthgate

24 күн бұрын

It's an old old saying...and it's true.

@WilHenDavis

19 күн бұрын

...which reminds me of another - "The definition of a good pilot is one who has the same number of successful landings as take offs" 😉

Just an average man with an extraordinary legacy. Impossible for him to live up to. That is a real tragedy.

Great insight, as always. Sadly, "he didn't have the priviledge of having someone in his life to tell him no".

@MaureenDeVries-wd9mh

9 ай бұрын

His mom did😢

@danielleremp4328

17 күн бұрын

Very true. I thought the same thing. Unfortunately, though, his mother had died.

@afol4016

12 күн бұрын

Those planes crash All The Time. Just MAYBE HE WASN'T AS RECKLESS OR IRRESPONSIBLE" AS PEOPLE ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE.

Thought I'd take a moment to underscore how difficult it can be to overcome spatial disorientation and how convincing the incorrect information coming from JFK Jr.'s senses might have been. Early in instrument training I had a situation where my senses told me I was in a right bank so severe that I had to brace myself against the side of the airplane to avoid tumbling over into the right seat. I felt this, it was physical, I had to hold myself up against gravity. The instruments in front of me, the primaries and the backups, showed no such thing. They showed straight and level, normal flight. I removed my blinders for a moment and, sure enough, the instruments were right. There was no bank, there was no force trying to topple me out of my seat, everything was fine. The physical feeling of falling over went away after maybe two or three seconds. It had been completely imaginary. I consider myself lucky that this happened early in training. Nothing like it happened again in my training, nor in my instrument flying since then. I think it was extremely valuable to have a glimpse of how completely wrong human senses can be in this environment.

@kingayy9267

2 жыл бұрын

That's extremely scary! I'm glad you were safe and have learned from that incident. Thanks for the personal anecdote; it helps understand how severe the effect can be.

@kingayy9267

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have any idea what causes that? Especially such an extreme degree of disorientation, like what you experienced.

@mattj65816

2 жыл бұрын

​@@kingayy9267 yes, it's caused by a limitation in the way your brain senses acceleration in the three axes of motion. In a nutshell, little hairs in three ring canals within your inner ear, each aligned with an axis of motion (pitch/roll/yaw) sense motion of fluid within the rings as you accelerate in different directions. Your brain interprets that into what you feel as your sense of balance. The problem is that prolonged motion around any of the axes will eventually cause the fluid in the canal to catch up with the motion of the ring, and the motion can no longer be sensed by the little hairs in the canals. Thereafter, if the motion is stopped, it may be sensed as motion in the opposite direction. If you are in a cloud and can't see a horizon at the time, your brain has nothing to relieve the confusion that ensues, and the illusions cascade on themselves. It's also key to understand that in an aircraft, which is free to move in all three dimensions, gravity and inertia can compound on each other, cancel each other out, and are impossible to distinguish without additional information, such as flight instruments or a visual horizon. You can search for terms like "semicircular canal," "the leans," "somatogravic illusion," and so forth for explanations from people who are better teachers than I am. :)

@swampmop

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattj65816 thank u for the explanation!!

@mattj65816

2 жыл бұрын

@@swampmop my pleasure! To anyone who comes along and would like to do further digging on the subject, I recommend searching for "6 Ways Pilots Get Confused In The Clouds" (in quotes)

One thing I had read about JFK Jr. is that in college he was involved in theater (and did very well), developed a love of acting and wanted to pursue it more seriously, but was discouraged by his mother as something that was not distinguished enough (my words) for someone of his background, or something like that. Maybe if people had just allowed him to be who he really wanted to be he would have done better. I don't know if it would have quelled the desire for risk taking behavior that he had, some people are just like that or maybe it was just something he inherited from his family, but perhaps it would have toned it down enough for him to grow older when some of those urges may have naturally subsided a little.

@maureenmullen1236

2 жыл бұрын

He wanted 2 marry Darryl Hannah and his mother disapproved of that.He should have been allowed 2 be himself.

@minavamp2811

2 жыл бұрын

exactly john recognizes his strength and weakness. he knows that he's not academically intelligent so he goes into performing art because he recognizes his good look and has the passion for it. too bad that he listened to his mother. he would have made a good career out of being an actor. with his good look passion for acting and his family fame. it will be no time before he becomes a successful actor and make really good living out of it.

@joanneblack7697

2 жыл бұрын

I so agree with your point here. He seemed to have an easy time dealing with press and paparazzi, and being a non-linear thinker is probably not a big problem for a performer. (Whereas in law, or publishing, it certainly is!) It's too bad he was told what to do, and expected to play the part of a "dignified" royal family member. In being an actor, he could've done what he loved, maybe married the person he really loved. Being told "You should go to law school and then become a D.A. (?!) is really pushing a square peg into a round hole.

@lisabradford8180

2 жыл бұрын

@@lindastraub7542 supposedly jackie threatened to disinherit him if he kept pursuing the acting thing.

@MsMedford

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wow I didn't know that. That's so sad. Had Jackie let him pursue his passion he would probably still be alive. I have no doubt he would have made it in Hollywood with his good looks, charisma and family fame. He'd would have been in his early 60s by now. He would have probably been a father and Grandfather too.

Thank you, sir. I learned a lot from your detailed factual analysis. I’m a British subject who has also lived in the US. There seems to be a similarity between Kennedy and Prince Harry on some levels. The loss of a much loved parent early in life has always left unhealed scars. Privilege can be a hindrance in finding a life purpose. So many opportunities, choices and the fear of failure which can disable the ability to learn resilience and work through setbacks. Sad to see that in this case it took the life of two other trusting people. What a dreadful memory for the sisters family, can’t imagine anything more devastating for those parents.

@ntchihieu

Жыл бұрын

Prince Harry is bad behavior

@tittomars1517

Жыл бұрын

JFK Jr was lawyer -so he was intelligent enough to complete law studies and to pass a New York State bar examination

@annewillmott3091

Жыл бұрын

@@tittomars1517 you are of course right. The whole Kennedy family learned resilience from earliest childhood with the challenges faced. JFK was a good example. My comparison seems a poor example on reflection. We’ll never know what happened in the air, but two lovely young daughters were also lost, devastating all round…..

@cdd4248

Жыл бұрын

Good analogy between 'The Princes'

@JSH911

20 күн бұрын

I love William and Harry. I adored their mother and I will always be interested and hope their lives are fulfilling. John Junior said himself that he didn’t remember much about his father sadly as he was so very young when he died. I’m sure he felt the loss of a father, but Harry was much older when his mother died and he was the clinging child always by her side.

Wow this story scared me so much. I can only imagine the terror of those two girls

@jmevb60

Жыл бұрын

My guess and hope is that they had no idea of the plane's path and orientation. But there was that radio call.

@rhythmisadancer8394

Жыл бұрын

@@jmevb60 they all knew they were going to crash. It would've been only moments, but they knew they were about to die. Especially the Bessette sisters. They would've picked up on johns energy, and that he was now out of his depth. And there was nothing they could do about it. The fact he could only fly his plane by VFR, meant he took the risk of all onboard, when he knew he wouldn't make it to his destination before the horizon had disappeared.

@morganminpin

Жыл бұрын

I doubt the passengers had any idea they were about to crash, unless John admitted the plane was out of his control. Based on Dr. Grande's analysis, John was unlikely to have made this admission, because he had a history of not recognizing his own incompetence. He also may have been unaware that the plane was out of control. Typically, when a pilot enters a "death spiral" due to lack of visual input s/he is not aware of the danger.

@parsleypalace3272

Жыл бұрын

It's horrible to relive this. I felt so stricken by the whole thing.

@rhythmisadancer8394

Жыл бұрын

@@morganminpin they knew that the plane was going to crash because it entered the graveyard spiral. Once they entered that spiral, they knew it was crashing. The entire plane was shaking, and it was at high speed. Not sure how that doesn't make someone realise they were about to die? It was 3mins of panic .. its sad, but true.

Really good analysis. I'm a private pilot who flew a T tailed 300 hp turbo Lance which was the six place forerunner to the Piper Saratoga in which JFK Jr was killed. All he had to do was engage the auto pilot as you said. If it was inoperable shame on him. I met the guy from Martha's Vineyard who taught him to wind surf and he basically said what you did that he was a clutz and incompetent at it. Also I read the NTSB report on the crash and there was ground fog along the coast which may have contributed to his fatal mistake of opting to fly over water. Like all airplane accidents this was a classical case of a whole series of bad decisions. Again excellent analysis.

@Bearwithme560

Жыл бұрын

Did the fact that they were all found with seatbelts on indicate that they were prepared for a crash landing, and hence must have been terrified? They didn't't seem to be the type to wear them for the whole flight.

@lancelot1953

Жыл бұрын

@@Bearwithme560 Hi Bearwithme, the pilot(s) at the control needs to have his seat belt on at all times - passengers required seat belts on taxiing, take-offs and landings otherwise it is optional (en-route) but highly recommended. Ciao, L

@Bearwithme560

Жыл бұрын

@@lancelot1953 Grazie. It sounds to me he told his passengers to buckle up - faint hope. I doubt a guy who eschews an offer to fly with him and his broken leg would be wearing his belt.

@beverlyweber4122

Жыл бұрын

@@Bearwithme560 Sure. No doubt they would release the seatbelt to wander about the cabin, up and down the aisle, and getting snacks.... Sad that this tiny plane didn't have an aisle, or flight attendants, or snacks, or even a lavatory.

@williamcarr459

Жыл бұрын

Bullshit. What in the fuk do you know about it. Somebody said he was a klutz. What do they say about you behind your back? That you’re a ‘know it all’ ass who makes value judgements without the facts. I’ve studied enough of this case (I’m type rated in b-737 200) to say that there’s just not enough info to definitively say what happened. Even the NTSB report got lots of holes. Maybe…possibly- whatever. And then you come along like some half-assed psychiatrist and start slinging shit. It’s the same trope that occurred after his father was killed. He was a woman-izing communist. They all deserved it. Right?!

Thanks for that brutally honest analysis of JFK Jr’s fatal crash. I distinctly remember the intense media coverage it generated, but don’t recall having all the detailed mistakes laid out so clearly. His refusal for assistance from the flight instructor, not using auto-pilot (assuming it was functional), flying at night, veering out over open water away from landmarks, not filing a flight plan or communicating with ground towers-and on and on-all speak to his lack of sound judgement and inexperience. I find it astonishing that he flew too close to a commercial airline to the point that the crew was alarmed. One would think that this action alone would have gotten him grounded for awhile. This was a tragic and totally avoidable situation caused by hubris.

@julier.1902

2 жыл бұрын

Who went and gave him a license in the first place? What a huge mistake.

@frankpaya690

2 жыл бұрын

The Kennedys have always been over the top in their arrogance, from what I understand his own father had no business having his PT boat where it was in 1942, August 2nd when it was rammed by that Japanese destroyer, against orders he was out there trying to make a name for himself and his father's influence is what saved him from a court-martial.

@tanickasinclair7035

2 жыл бұрын

This is Jennifer Sinclair. When I am in a questionable situation, I will ask a more expert person "What would you do if you were me?" And do that. I have done that for driving in bad weather, estimating time, logistical issues, dental and medical issues. It takes my own judgement "out of the equation".

@suestephan3255

2 жыл бұрын

Totally avoidable, but he was a risk taker, prideful and not a sound thinker. I believe the Besset family got a good bit of money.

@suestephan3255

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankpaya690 Joseph Kennedy was an arrogant man s as bd believed he could buy his way in and out of anything, and did pretty much.

I feel his recklessness, arrogance, and stupidity contributed to this awful accident which cost the deaths of 2 innocent young ladies.

His mother knew him well- that's why Jackie got John to promise that he would not fly. She knew by Instinct that he would get himself into trouble . John was extremely prideful. He was a strange kid as well. I v seen a lot of videos with him and his parents. He seemed distant around everyone at times.

Dr. Grande, exceptional discourse on this topic- thank you. As a former flight attendant I follow aviation channels and like to do a deep dive into these topics. There were some other troubling elements here, not one of flight school trainers considered him to be an adequate pilot. The man he bought the plane from was so concerned, he also offered to fly with John. One of the reasons for the late departure, was that his wife was shopping in NYC. Also, she was absolutely terrified of flying. The list goes on and on. Recently, there has been a significant uptick in small plane crashes. Just because you can afford it, doesn't mean you should fly it. Thanks again, have a happy and healthy New Year.

@theresalero7039

2 жыл бұрын

So why was he given his license? Don't flight school trainers have any say in passing or not?

@IB-1963

2 жыл бұрын

@@theresalero7039 Big difference between passing a supervised test and actually being qualified and competent under "real conditions" where an emergency event might arise. Look how many holders of drivers licence's crash cars on a daily basis.

@craigfinnegan8534

2 жыл бұрын

John lacked common sense, especially in the air. There's a revealing anecdote in the memoir "American Son" by an editor on JFK Jr's magazine "George" - John offered a female junior staffer a plane ride from Cape Cod to the small airport in New Jersey where he kept his plane (and presumably had flown into multiple times previously). Over NJ, he couldn't figure out where the runway was. The completely inexperienced woman with him pointed out a double row of blue lights, but John assumed she was wrong. Moments later an air traffic controller called him and said he'd just passed the runway (the woman had been right).

@Lara-tm5nz

2 жыл бұрын

@@theresalero7039 I don't know anything about flying but I am a Dive Master and I can't tell you how much people overestimate their abilities just bc they had a license handed to them. I worked in Bali/Tulamben at the USAT Liberty Ship wreck dive side for a couple of seasons. It's a relatively easy dive side, yet the nose of the ship is located at 13 while the back is located at 100 feet (which is not an adequate depth for beginners needles to say that beginners shouldn't enter a wreck).

@anitasmith4559

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigfinnegan8534 The thing I've always noted -- at least about commercial pilots -- is the constant attention to detail. There is always the check list and constant communication with ATC. On the wiki page for the JFK, Jr. crash was this notation: "Incorrect radio frequencies: While the NTSB examined the wreckage, they soon discovered that both of Kennedy's radios had incorrect frequencies selected. Kennedy had accidentally selected 127.25 for Martha Vineyard's ATIS instead of 126.25; likewise, he selected 135.25 for Essex County ATIS but it should have been 135.5. The NTSB declined to comment on the contribution this factor had in the crash, if any.[1]"

I worked with 2 guys that had pilot’s licenses. One had bought a small plane and flew it for years. The other belonged to a flying club and used their plane. Although they were great coworkers, I wouldn’t fly with either one of them. I watched them make mistakes during the workday and didn’t want to trust them in an emergency. My motto was , If you aren’t a pro, then I won’t go!

@jennifermcgee8621

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I’ll never fly with an amateur pilot. Would you have an amateur surgeon operate on you?

@kaitlynhall2112

2 жыл бұрын

My father has had his pilot’s license since 1995, and I won’t even fly with him solo. If we are with his best friend (who has been flying even longer, flies larger planes regularly and regularly does angel flights) and they take turns in the left seat/who copilots…that’s a different story.

@Big_Tex

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not a pilot, but know quite a bit about aviation. You see these cases where a pilot with 200 hours wipes out his whole family. If I were flying I’d definitely have a rule of not flying my kids or family until I had 1000 hours, and I’m not so sure even then.

@ohsweetmystery

2 жыл бұрын

I went to college with a spoiled rich kid and went up with him in his plane once. Watching him pilot the plane scared the crap out of me... what was I thinking? Never again.

@Jonathanbegg

2 жыл бұрын

Well done, trusting to your own judgment, possibly at the risk of your personal friendships.

I remember this day!!! I was six months pregnant with my daughter. Had to give a patient CPR. Worked 16 hours and we were all glued to the tv in between!! What a day! 😢

My dad flew privately. He taught us that there are strict rules about when you should not fly. It sounds like Jr. did not do the pre flight checks. Pilots always look up the radio frequencies for the local airports. Maybe he skipped that step as well. P.S. I passed the California bar at the first attempt when I was 22.

@katiesimpson8517

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations on passing the California Bar. I hear it's a tough one too.

@swimlaps1

10 ай бұрын

May hv put in a wrong digit for frequency & didnt double check.

@Dilley_G45

7 ай бұрын

​@@katiesimpson8517and today it's probably an exercise in wokeness

@HughButler-lb6zs

18 күн бұрын

When he entered the frequency, he was off by one number. He knew the frequency because he had flow to Marthas Vinyard 7 or 8 times.

@HughButler-lb6zs

18 күн бұрын

Artistic peoples brains do not process information the same as say mechanical or mathematical people. I would expect him to have difficulty with a bar exam. I am surprised he was able to obtain a pilots license. But he probably tested in his Cessna which I have read was an easier airplane to fly. I am not a pilot and only am speculating .

A few clarifications that might help here... I started flying out of the New York - CT - Massachusetts area in 1990. I flew the Skylane, Archer, and the Saratoga back then abd the Saratoga was very similar in power and handling to the Skylane. The only difference might be the retractable landing gear of the Piper. The spacial disorientation was indeed the issue. I flew often from Danbury CT & Farmingdale to Martha's Vinyard a0nd Nantucket islands. He lost visual reference likely do to the hazy conditions that were always present over Long Island Sound. At sone pount the haze would be so heavy it was effectively like being in the clouds with no reference. His erratic altitude and speed tracks were due to him pulling up aggressively on the yoke when he realized he couldn't see anything (thinking altitude is your friend). He stalled the aircraft at least twice and "spun" the aircraft in the end in a near vertical dive in the midst of a full power-on stall. Hence the 4,000+ foot per minute dive. All he had to do to recover was pull the throttle back to idle, take his hands off the yoke, and apply full opposite rudder to the spin. With his damaged foot, this might not have been easy. Thanks as usual for your great analysis! Got some nice nuggets out of this one😊👍

@prant8998

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, but did he know which way he was spinning? And, was he too low anyway? His instinct was to pull back on the yoke to reduce his speed, which only tightened the turn he didn’t even know he was in. In a word, he was, doomed. One glance at the attitude indicator would have told him he was in a descending steep hard turn. He didn’t even know he was spinning, all he knew was that his speed was increasing and he was losing altitude. He should have kept his eyes glued to the attitude indicator and make gentle inputs, only reverting his attention to the radio after the turn was complete. Let’s not forget, he probably had two hysterical women screaming at him during the whole episode. A cascade of preventable events culminating in death and disfigurement of three beautiful young people. Sad, just sad.

@paulhendershott667

2 жыл бұрын

@@prant8998 So true! I'm certain it was a terror filled trip all the way down and into the ocean. Can't imagine what was going through their heads. I was still a relatively low time pilot with less than 300 hours when JFK Jr went down, but I used to read Katz's NTSB Reporter and the "Never Again" articles religiously back then as to attempt NOT to repeat the mistakes of others.

@charlesbutler4646

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent analysis, thank you for explaining this situation in terms a Layman can understand

@Mrs.buildingblackwealth

2 жыл бұрын

wow thanks for explaining

@betweenthebars256

2 жыл бұрын

appreciate your input!

Having the ability to 'know what you don't know' is one the greatest gifts a person can have. It is somewhat acceptable for the young to not possess this ability and is called being 'young and naive'. However, many don't ever seem to grow out of it. JFK Jr. flew into IFR conditions at night, a situation he wasn't trained for. He was old enough to know better.

@theelizabethan1

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention taking off without a functioning Auto-pilot -- or failing to use if it was functioning. Judgement failure again......As Dr. Grande brought out he was under great stress at the time, including marital, plus his magazine business failure. But he could always run for political office. He contemplated a NY senatorial seat. And who benefited from his demise? HRC.

@HeatherHolt

2 жыл бұрын

Well said! Having a teen in the house, it’s a hard lesson to get into his head. That it’s okay not to know things, it’s okay to not know the answer. And it’s okay to ask questions, even if you feel like the question is silly.

@lucyjane1262

2 жыл бұрын

As the Kennedy heir, he lived his entire adult life being placed in situations that were beyond him. He barely passed the bar on his third try. He wasn't any good at running even a relatively simple business. He didn't have the aptitude for politics or government. All he ever knew of adulthood was of faking his way through things for which he was not qualified. He didn't know another way to be. This is just one more, and his final, example.

@DH-ve5bl

2 жыл бұрын

@ Lucy Jane 12. Had he been born to an unknown, average family he might have been better off. Too much was expected of him.

@gigi9301

2 жыл бұрын

@@HeatherHolt This guy was an adult grown rich man, not a teen by any stretch of the imagination.

Please address why there are a bunch of people who think that he is still alive. It’s just so crazy

@canadafragrancereviewerdia9119

11 ай бұрын

Yes I too have heard stories that he is actually alive and hiding. I don’t believe it. Bad things just happen in the Kennedy family.

@semoneg2826

3 ай бұрын

Conspiracy theorist

@chucklemasters6433

15 күн бұрын

are they also flat earth believers?

@helenehoward6294

12 күн бұрын

There just like the people who could not accept the death of that Presley guy. Just delusional people who want to live in their own fantasies.

@bonnenaturel6688

12 күн бұрын

@@canadafragrancereviewerdia9119 bad things happen to the Kennedys because they had the guts to buck the corrupt overlords of this country.

Wow, I had never heard that members of this family caused the deaths of at least 5 others on differing occasions. You never hear that! All I have ever heard is the "tragic hero" storyline of JFK and his family. Thank you Dr. Grande for telling both sides.

@L.Fontein7

Жыл бұрын

@ Whol3Not...I grew up in the 'Kennedy Dynasty' years of the 1960's - 1980's-ish when the majority of the Kennedy Family mischief was being played out on the world stage. We knew about the deaths, etc., it was common knowledge and openly talked about, as it seemed that for many, association with the family or a family member would result in death or some sort of misery. It was uncanny and was commonly referred to as the 'Kennedy Curse'.

@recoveryrocks1

Жыл бұрын

@@L.Fontein7 Camelot

@pattiday431

Жыл бұрын

Ted Kennedy drove off a bridge and saved himself but his young female passenger was left in the car and succumbed to drowning.The accident wasn't reported until the next morning. His story of being in shock and too traumatized to tell anyone was very questionable. I grew up in a family of staunch Democrats and idolized the Kennedys, but that story was too much for even a star-struck teenager like me.

@francoisemoulin2606

Жыл бұрын

@@L.Fontein7 Curse or bad karma? Or not that smart people? Princess Di was in that category. Not too smart.

@francoisemoulin2606

Жыл бұрын

@@pattiday431 He only wanted to save his ass.

Everytime I hear about this story, I don't think about John Kennedy Jr. I always think about the Bessette Family. I can't imagine losing both of my children at the same time. BTW: Excellent video Dr. Grande. Thank you for putting the emphasis on John's reckless behaviour.

@billcallahan9303

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about the two girls in back, frightened to tears, screaming, wind noise tearing past, waiting & knowing what's going to happen. Terrible.

@pipilongue

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting analysis....and spot on. Thank you!

@sheilac1845

2 жыл бұрын

What 😯 are you fockin kidding me

@billcallahan9303

2 жыл бұрын

@@sheilac1845 Which focker Renette? There's several fockers here.

@kimberlyjohnson7409

2 жыл бұрын

Mary J. Dickenson: Very well put! Short & 2 the point. It was an excellent video.

When I was a kid, an uncle of mine owned and operated a small Cessna. He occasionally would fly to an airfield in my town to visit my mom, his sis. Sometimes he would take us up for a short flight. Even if he visited for only an hour before he flew home, he would conduct the standard pre-flight check of the aircraft and prepare flight plans. It's sad that John, Jr wasn't as conscientious.

@Tiesquel

2 жыл бұрын

He was too important to comply with basic rules and besides, what could happen to him ?... He was God chosen !!. . .

@kimberlyconell7139

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting that nobody seems to jnow about the fact the JFK, Jr. had done a precheck for flight before this and found something that made him walk away from the plane with an agry look caught by paparazzi and printed on a magazine. Seems no one wants to believe he did prechecks before or after that? Who's kidding who? It was speculated that time he may have found either a bomb or that his equipment was tampered with. Don't be so quick to judge when you know so little.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

2 жыл бұрын

@@kimberlyconell7139 Don't be so quick to fall for idiotic conspiracy theories if you know so little (nothing but the hearsay and speculations). ''Angry look'' is just someone's impression or might have been taken out of the context/exaggerated. It's NOT a proof of anything. Secondly, what ''bomb''? He wasn't a political figure to be a potential target to begin with, and secondly - did you suggest that he checked, found the bomb or tampered equipment...and still flew? How does it make sense? Even if that was true (which is NOT), it's STILL reckless and plain illogical. Go watch some conspiracy channel isntead of coming here. Science and logic is not for you apparently.

@Heyu7her3

Жыл бұрын

@@Tiesquel He had ADHD, so the shame of letting people probably was involved here.

Good lord, I knew JFK Jr was being incredibly reckless flying an unfamiliar aircraft in IFR with a recently broken ankle, but he couldn't follow checklists??! I'm stunned that he managed to get a licence - pilots live by checklists! Not to mention that their entire purpose is to ensure that (regardless of your experience, memory or level of distraction) you perform everything correctly... terrifying to think this man was flying out of one of the busiest airspaces in the US. Thankfully it wasn't a bigger tragedy.

@davidmotter5140

13 күн бұрын

The weather wasNOT ifr

‘No,’ Dr. Grande, is the best teacher.

His character was almost to fulfill the tragic history of the Kennedy family. God bless Caroline. She has seen so much tragedy.

@hotsonfornowhere76

2 жыл бұрын

If that premise is true he fulfilled it perfectly. Which makes one wonder that perhaps he had simply resigned himself to an early death and didn't try to fight the inevitable fate of his destiny.

@Truth1561

2 жыл бұрын

Their tragedy was almost totally self inflicted. The myth surrounding them needs to stop- JFK’s supposed ‘Camelot’ completely ignored the fact he was cruel and dismissive to his wife, to point of ignoring her when she lost their child. He cheated on her incessantly and was also addicted to pain meds. Had he lived no doubt his persona would have unravelled and the truth would have become painfully obvious.

@Teeveepicksures

2 жыл бұрын

oh, stop. theres no mythology. junior flew when he shouldnt have. the end

@teris.6323

2 жыл бұрын

@@Truth1561 💯Absolutely accurate! It's actually very kind to use the word myth instead of lies. 'Camelot/Royalty'...give me a break!

@jthor3097

2 жыл бұрын

Caroline is a raving entitled liberal. The Kennedys reaped what they sowed. NO heroes there. John Kennedy Jr. should have been allowed to live his own life, NOT what the “Kennedy’s” expected him to do.

You final thoughts were so on point. As you eloquently said “his unrealistic self-confidence was deadly.” That was a powerful statement regarding this case. Brilliant analysis as always, thank you Dr. Grande.❤️

@auser6828

2 жыл бұрын

He wasn't even on the plane.He is still alive.

@jesussaves7973

2 жыл бұрын

@@auser6828 see here we are with this conspiracy theory

@auser6828

2 жыл бұрын

@@jesussaves7973 No, it is fact.

@shelleyc.2576

2 жыл бұрын

You're right he is alive in fact I saw him at Kroger's this morning!!! John John was asking the butcher where to find a battery charger.

@lenaannis8787

2 жыл бұрын

@@shelleyc.2576 No sorry you are wrong. I saw him this morning in the Greek island Santorini!!!!!

I know little about the Kennedys, but I do know that for any form of emotionally troubled background, a career in theatre would be the most therapeutic course possible. The sort of snobbery which caused the poor guy's mother to dissuade him from fulfilling his natural inclination is to be utterly deplored.

@ladyvenus21

Жыл бұрын

Yes. He would probably succeed, and be happy

@alarahillton1343

Жыл бұрын

I believe he was a Sagittarius and so , yes, He may have been a very good entertainer. I agree.

@user-yd6ef1yo9d

12 күн бұрын

A highly insightful comment. A person who follow his own inner guide toward an occupation is more likely to follow wise guidance generally (not that that theatre does not have it's own risks!).

Such a tragedy, I always wondered why they didn't just wait to make the trip the next morning. Driving to Massachusetts from New York would also have been a good option. It's not that far away.

@semoneg2826

3 ай бұрын

❤

I remember when this happened, my friend and I were working on writing a Psych 101 study manual during grad school. We had the TV on, and, were up most of the night…it came on the news that JFK Jr was lost in a plane crash. We both were so upset. My friend grew up in NYC and would actually see him from time to time jogging through Central Park. It was so sad what happened, a very unnecessary tragedy, like so many of the Kennedys.

@lizadivine3785

2 жыл бұрын

I was always a avid John fan and I remember my husband calling me at my job that Saturday morning about his disappearance. I felt sick, just sick and sad.

Spatial disorientation is such a scary concept. A pilot friend showed me how disorienting it can be if you have no visual cues to recognize the difference in orientation if there are no visual cues present. A truly frightening thought that he had absolutely no idea he was nosediving into the ocean until the moment of impact. Such a sad story of arrogance taken to the limit.

@zenamen5221

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the knowledge shared about spatial disorientation. It's a frightening situation. I don't however agree that John was arrogant to the limit. I'll reserve that judgment.

@zackeryzackery9381

2 жыл бұрын

That doesn't explain why he was flying at max speed.

@shelleyc.2576

2 жыл бұрын

And horrible judgement!

@oldcollegecoed

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not a pilot but I am a certified diver, and I equate that experience to being underwater in the dark and becoming so disoriented that you have no sense of which direction leads you to air. But luckily, divers who might get disoriented can watch their bubbles and know which way to head, if they are able to calm themselves and think rationally (which isn’t as easy as it sounds when you’re in that situation).

@MrTee12

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't that what happened to the pilot in the Kobe helicopter crash?

Q: What do JFK jr. and a penguin have in common ? A: They are both really cute but can't fly worth a damn.

This was so horrific when I heard it on the news back then - all those feelings come back listening to this 😢

I had the distinct pleasure of seeing John at different phases of his life. In 1974 when leaving Greece as a student, after the invasion of Cyprus, he and Caroline evacuated on the same Olympic Airliner then owned by Onassis. He was a fresh faced kid saddled down by a camera and a very long lense. Cute as a button. 20 years go by and I’m an Attorney in NYC working at the WTC and I often see John on the train or riding his bike on the way to work. His dazzling smile, incredible good looks and charisma are really indescribable! Photos of that era never did do him justice I must say… and he was so charming even to complete strangers like myself! He would smile back or say hello and had such unselfconscious grace. We really lost a Lovely Man too soon when he died so tragically.

@glamsky3257

2 жыл бұрын

It sad to see how, especially in the last minutes of this video, dr.Grande portrayed him as if he is a horrible, vile human being, a killer, with nothing good at all.

@maurakennedy5952

2 жыл бұрын

Don't feed that the doctor said things that were not right May the Lord have mercy on there souls they seem to be very unlucky family money does not all ways make you happy they had problems like us all May they rip

@Tiesquel

2 жыл бұрын

@@glamsky3257 I'm afraid that's not true... he stated the facts in a matter of fact way.

@songbirdy

2 жыл бұрын

@@marthabonner1925 🤔

@songbirdy

2 жыл бұрын

@@marthabonner1925 🤪. Just stop.

That pic of JFK Jr @1:18 saluting his dads passing body is still one of the most tragic photos i've ever seen.

That was a very well-rounded opinion. People who idolise him may disagree, but as you said, it is better to look at bad as well as good traits. Nobody is perfect, people really need to get that. Don't idolise anybody and also learn from the mistakes of others.

I'm not a pilot. But i know NJ. To leave at that time was madness, especially because he was relatively inexperienced

I watched the Biography documentary on his life and I couldn’t help but feel incredibly sorry for him. It seemed like because of who his father was everyone wanted him to be somebody he himself wasn’t.

@maureenmullen1236

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. He should have been allowed 2 become an actor and marry Darryl Hannah as he wanted 2.

@denisewhitaker5116

2 жыл бұрын

Who or what did not allow him to marry Daryl Hannah?

@haileyshannon7548

2 жыл бұрын

@@denisewhitaker5116 probably his mother

@maureenmullen1236

2 жыл бұрын

@@denisewhitaker5116 Jackie discouraged it.

@mileshalpern9320

2 жыл бұрын

He had the looks his father never had. The son in his own right was so exceptionally handsome, that created an entirely different set of expectations. Had he looked like his cousin Patrick who is ordinary in appearance for example, the expectations would have been far less.

Very good analysis, my stepdad who was a fighter pilot in Korea said same, JFK Jr. was a rookie pilot & should have never flown at night. Any decent pilot would have recognized this.

@cbufffly

2 жыл бұрын

SK. N., totally agree with you! During flight training, I had several night flights with military pilots and learned a great deal. It probably saved my life. I trained at a military flying club where all but one CFII was a military pilot. One night flight, I'd been asked to fly with a new CFII to acquaint him with island flying at night. It was a flight I'd flown many times. We did fine until he gave me a heading I knew was wrong. My gut started screaming and I indicated to the instructor I was changing the heading because he had us flying straight into the Ko'olau mtns. After 15 minutes or so, my heading caught the distant lights of Honolulu shore line. We both breathed a sigh of relief and the instructor thanked me, saying, "my wife would've hated being such a young widow." Lots of factors often play a role in a flight outcome. My familiarity with flying at night on basically the same flight plan was a key one. I wouldn't have ever considered flying at night without a flight instructor over unfamiliar terrain, in a strange aircraft I had not flown in at night with only a VFR rating. There is a saying among pilots, "there are bold pilots and there are old pilots, but there are no bold, old pilots."

@inspiringtone2975

2 жыл бұрын

He was a political threat let’s not forget both his father and uncle were murdered.

@andredarin8966

2 жыл бұрын

Not true. Flying at night was the problem: it was flying at night in deteriorating conditions over water. JFK jr. had logged 250 hours, I believe. While that’s far short of an ATP, it’s enough in most cases to fly at night, with certain limitations-one being a familiarity with the aircraft and its systems that is difficult to acquire with only nine hours in type. I might also add that ATP’s with thousands of hours are killed by controlled flight into terrain. Certainly, flying at night was not optimal but in itself it was not the primary cause of this tragedy.

@andredarin8966

2 жыл бұрын

@@cbufffly When flying with a low-time, “rookie” CFI, with the possible exception of a novice instructor in the military, a student, as you did, should be hyper-vigilant.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

2 жыл бұрын

@@inspiringtone2975 Yet he still died in a plane crash caused by himself and his own decision-making. It was not a terrorist attack or being shot down by an enemy. So your point is irrelevant here.

If you don’t know what to get Dr Grande for Christmas, get him anything cactus shaped lol

@laurataylor8179

14 күн бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion it was a prickly topic

It's a curious thing about risk takers. When I taught cardiology fellows how to perform cardiac catheterization, I was more an engineer, doing everything by a checklist and making the fellows learn it that way. At the same time, I knew other cardiologists who scared the crap out of me in the cath lab, but they were the ones who pushed the envelope and developed procedures like balloon angioplasty. So you very much need the risk takers or we'd be doing the same old stuff forever. I just did not have that temperament.

@EChai900

Жыл бұрын

Flying planes is settled science

I get so anxious when I hear the story of JFK Jr, his wife and her sister's death because they knew that they were in trouble, it must have been horrible.

@skeptigal2785

2 жыл бұрын

If CBK already had a fear of flying, she was probably hysterical, and that probably didn't help JJ concentrate!

@mariabykofsky4502

2 жыл бұрын

Why no actual bodies? I have doubts that John and his wife's bodies were cremated...

@skeptigal2785

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariabykofsky4502, Catholics are (still) generally anti-cremation, but maybe the instructions were in their wills, and there was nothing the Kennedys could do about it? At any rate, they wouldn't have been in any fit state for a public viewing... But I assume you're suggesting they're not really dead.

@sirius_reset

2 жыл бұрын

Funny, I was watching the Seinfeld episode that mentioned him a few days ago and was majorly triggered.

@ryanscottlogan8459

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariabykofsky4502 The bodies were recovered.

Spot on analysis, Dr. Grande. The ancient Greeks had a word for this: hubris and we all know it as pride cometh before a fall. When a mortal thinks he is a god, it can never end well.

@benjaminhawthorne1969

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment & this story remind me of the tale of Icarus.

@touchedbyfire99

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminhawthorne1969 Yes, that is exactly what this is! Such a rich trove of wisdom are the myths of the ancients, and the older I get, the more I understand.

@KimberlyLetsGo

2 жыл бұрын

His mother's request that he not learn to fly may have extended his life up to her own death. And, he may have misinterpreted this as being adequacy in being a pilot since he hadn't had issues before. All around, it was a sad loss for 3 young people.

@touchedbyfire99

2 жыл бұрын

Me too!

Thank you for your balanced approach and thoughtful analysis. I’m so glad you mentioned how people overlooked the mistakes the Kennedys made that cost the lives of other people. It seems that the Kennedys were very competitive and took a great deal of risks. If I remember correctly John’s sister Carolyn was on a white water river rafting trip when she was informed of her brother’s death.

@knavishlassie

Жыл бұрын

John's sister's name is Caroline.

My husband was stationed in Woods Hole, MA on the CGC Sanibel. They were having engine issues and were down. They received orders to go search and told my husband no matter what he had to do to get the engines running ASAP, do it, just get out there. It wasn’t easy but he and his crew did it. They were also the ship that took the Kennedy family and friends out to the Navy ship for the funeral. In fact we were just looking at pictures of the funeral and the Sanibel the other day. I grew up in NH so I was used to hearing about the Kennedy family, whereas my husband wasn’t. Thank you for seeing it like it was and not sugar coating everything as others have.

He flew into conditions that he was not competent or had enough experience in the aircraft that he was flying. He was told by others that someone should go with him with more experience. He also had a cast or brace. More experienced pilots have had spacial disoriented and crashed. Thank you for your work 🙏

@katemaloney4296

2 жыл бұрын

I heard the cast was replaced by a brace. Either way, he shouldn't have been flying.

@intorainbowzOG

2 жыл бұрын

He failed IM SAFE. Before he left the house. He wasn't physcally fit to fly yet flew anyway

One thing I didn't hear you touch on was John's diagnosed ADHD. I don't know if he was medicated. His distractibility was his mother's stated reason of her fear of John's flying. This also affected his learning ability. I don't think John was unintelligent. He didn't want to go into law but was pressured into it by his mother. John's interest was in acting and apparently showed a natural gift in this area. His mother put her foot down on that, too. JFK was mentally brilliant, cut down in his prime. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to grow up in his shadow. Sadly, three young lives were lost.

@songbirdy

2 жыл бұрын

I thought he was dyslexic.

@wendylee9779

2 жыл бұрын

My brother who is approaching his 66th birthday has had ADHD all his life, so I know what ms. Parr is saying. Jackie was very concerned about John & his being scattered. And he was being reckless on 7/16/99. RIP John, Carolyn & Lauren.

@alfredfreedomjones5105

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, poor boy had to live in his father’s shadow until the very end

@projektkobra2247

Жыл бұрын

Killed two people...some "brilliance".

@kirstinstrand6292

Жыл бұрын

@@projektkobra2247 perhaps it was simply poor judgement. Very tragic.

This really is the best summary of the incident I've ever heard. He was well-liked but actually very selfish. If he wanted to be reckless, he should have done it on his own time. Personally, I would not have agreed to fly with him. It was such an avoidable tragedy. Aside from killing himself, two women died and it was caused by a big ego that knew no boundaries.

I remember that before he died, many people thought that he was somewhat bi-polar. His mother knew that his mind was all over the place and that he had a hard time concentrating on anything. It's too bad that he broke his promise to not take up flying that he made to his beloved mother.

@knavishlassie

Жыл бұрын

Bi-polar or afflicted with ADHD? Sounds like you are describing the latter.

@JennyWinters

Жыл бұрын

He sounds like me and I know better than to get myself into flying or ATC or things that don't jive with my issues. I've made it to my 60's but I still have issues dealing with multitasking.

@ladyelainefairchild3546

Жыл бұрын

Mommy knew he wasn’t smart and that gravity protection was the one thing she couldn’t purchase for him.

@semoneg2826

3 ай бұрын

I would not say john was bipolar...yes his mother was resposible for shaping him as she seems very controling and wanted john to become what he was not... Msy be if she had allowing to fly he would have become a better piolot woth more training and experience...

The John Kennedy Jr. crash is well know to general aviation pilots as an example of what not to do. The flight route he planned is popular with pilots in the area, no problem there, and the route passes several airports with control towers. Most pilots will use their radios to stay in contact with control towers and with other planes during a flight, but John never talked to anyone after taking off. A commercial plane reported to a control tower that another airplane (it was John's) was flying irregularly. If John had been on the traffic frequency he would have heard that report and he could have responded appropriately. The area is busy with planes and it's hard to imagine why John wasn't on his radios. Lastly, John's plane spiraled into the ocean spinning to the right. The bulky cast John wore on his left foot may have made it difficult or impossible for him to properly respond to the right-hand spiral -- recovery would require him to push hard on the left rudder pedal.

@ccvisions

2 жыл бұрын

It was stated the cast had been removed prior to that flight.

@deirdrejohnson9028

2 жыл бұрын

@@ccvisions That aside - his ankle would still have been weak and he would have struggled to press hard on the rudder.

@lauralizano4623

2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks

@rancosteel

2 жыл бұрын

Just like Ara Zobian. Poor safety practices and lack logical thinking drove his ego.

@RaysDad

2 жыл бұрын

@@ccvisions The cast had been replaced, not removed. The new cast was smaller but still described as "bulky."

What happens when you're over-confident and refuse to listen to others concerns. It wasn't just his mother who "knew" her son but others also warned him that he wasn't ready. It's tragic that his wife's family lost two loved ones.

@kitchenskills5427

2 жыл бұрын

It is also tragic that his sister has had to experience so much loss. She is the lone survivor of that family. Coming from such a high profile family, and given that Jackie was obsessed with keeping her children protected, I am sure that their sibling bond was extremely strong as they grew up in a bubble.

Dr Grande, this is an excellent and the most realistic in its context of John Kennedy Junior. The best I have listened too. When a Kennedy dies, it is viewed as a “Curse” or a “Tragedy”, not another Kennedy dies. You have provided a way of looking at this so differently and accurately. The Kennedy’s were risk takers in many ways.

John was flying a Piper Saratoga, and was not instrument rated nor qualified for flying at night. He was only qualified to fly in daylight under visual conditions. His crash is a perfect example of getting into a graveyard spiral due to spatial disorientation.

I just found out that Lauren Bessette; Carolyn’s sister who also perished in the crash, was a twin to Lisa Bessette. It’s bad enough that Lisa lost two sisters. I can only imagine how rough it would be that one of them was a twin. 😔

@irenebertoni

2 жыл бұрын

I had forgotten that, but now it's coming back to me. When this incident happened, I was so shocked and saddened by it that I wrote a long sympathy letter to Caroline Kennedy, and I think I also sent one to Lisa Bessette, because, as you say, it must be awful to lose a twin sister that way.

@deniece0821

2 жыл бұрын

@@irenebertoni aww, that was so kind of you. I’m sure they appreciated it. I vividly remember when we first heard their plane had dropped off radar and they were MIA. I was hoping that they would be found alive. After about 24-48 hours we all lost hope. My parents were such HUGE Kennedy supporters so I kinda grew up loving them, too. They obviously weren’t perfect but what family is? It’s just so tragic. All three of them had so much potential.

@robinfineman9894

2 жыл бұрын

These ppl are alive. I don't understand why this guy doesn't do more research. Patrick is alive her daughter Arrabella is alive too.Take a good look at Ms Mcnerney she is JR and Carolyn's daughter. Ezra Watkins Cole is one of his sons. Jackie and JFK JUST passed away. yes he was 103yrs old. Watch the Plan to Save America and listen closely to the narrators voice. I don't know how old you are but I'm old enough to hear JR. Watch TIMBER sung by JFK's grandchildren. If only Caroline was the sole survivor it would just be her kids. If you want more mind blowing info get back to me. There are 900+ ppl who are in wit pro that had me screaming with joy.

@georgialee6755

Жыл бұрын

Eclectic Bohemian Yes two sisters were lost. Lisa lives a quiet life in MI. She and her family have given no interviews over the years which I respect them for

It has been reported that the reason Caroline was late to go to the airport that evening was that she wanted to have the perfect manicure and she would not even answer to her husband when he kept calling her at the parlour…. Can you imagine the atmosphere in the cockpit between the two of them that fateful night?

@georgialee6755

Жыл бұрын

Yes Carolyn kept having a pedicure redone with the right color. But her sister worked late so they still would have been late. Too bad Lauren talked Carolyn into going a couple of days before - if not John would have left earlier as he planned and they’d all be alive. John still shouldn’t have gone up though. Carolyn was fiery but I doubt Carolyn would have been arguing with him in the cockpit - she knew how distracted he was normally. I was surprised she went as she didn’t like flying with him without an instructor.

@ampa4989

Жыл бұрын

I read he was reluctant but she insisted that he fly, partly because her sister needed a lift, too. Should have just driven. Someone I knew went to Brown with him. She said he was a nice guy but really not very bright.

@conq3097

Жыл бұрын

She had the best manicure at the bottom of the ocean...

@brianbozo2447

Жыл бұрын

I remember thinking at the time that they might have had a screaming argument in the plane and he deliberately crashed the plane but we will never know so Dr Grandes analysis appears to be the most plausible.

@helenhighwater5313

Жыл бұрын

Whenever an aviation tragedy hit the news, my late WWII pilot dad would say, "when you run into a problem the first thing you must do is to remember to fly the plane".

I was alive when that happened. Carolyn Bissett remade her self in the image of Daryl Hannah. When Carolyn first dreamed about John, she was a little bit heavier, had reddish brown hair and was a lovely looking girl. John John broke it off with Carolyn to go be with Daryl. The reason John did not marry Daryl Hannah was because his mother did not approve of her employment as an actress. So John John listened to his mother. After the fateful flight it was rumored that Carolyn partook of cocaine, and that she was slightly schizophrenic. It was posited she became frantic and caused Jon to lose control of the plane. A tragedy all around. This was the story going around in the newspapers at the time.

This is undoubtedly one of your very best analyses, Dr. Grande. You exhibit great knowledge and understanding of all the moving parts and intricacies both literally and figuratively in this national tragedy.

Lots of people probably had the opportunity to tell him the truth about his abilities and guide him, but I wonder if they were afraid of upsetting him or the family. I can see how he would be considered a golden child and doted on. He was also extremely good looking and I am sure many people wanted to be part of his circle. I don’t think the poor kid had a chance. Life is indeed strange.

@Mama_Bear524

2 жыл бұрын

Well Jackie tried and the other pilot guy. Never knew that. But you’re right, many many yes men. Really sad. I think he got a big head.

@michelesmith2620

2 жыл бұрын

He had many chances. His hubris was his downfall. I feel bad for his wife and sister.

@theelizabethan1

2 жыл бұрын

Criticism, and self-criticism, was likely not experiences he endured or undertook. It's hard to understand how a man of his status and resources could have two failures with the NY bar exam. Test preparation and tutors were fully within his reach. How much realistic assessment of himself did he engage in? So as to make adjustments.... His spouse did not seem to offer much help, either. On a positive note, from what has been reported, John, Jr. rejected the amorality of his father and exercised propriety and discretion in his romantic life.

@elliebellie7816

2 жыл бұрын

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think he was all that attractive. I'm pretty sure he had zero personality as well.

@IB-1963

2 жыл бұрын

@@theelizabethan1 Wow - here you are with more opinions (much irrelevant to the issue at hand). In the other post above ("quicktastic") you implied (actually accused) HRC had him killed so she not he could fill the NY Senatorial position. I cannot see what your next theory will be.

This was an excellent analysis and well-researched. I often wonder if JFK Jr had a death wish engaging in all this reckless behavior. I know a lot of people that knew him and everyone says he was a truly nice person. The real tragedy here is the loss of these two young women with their whole lives ahead of them. You do know the Besette family sued the Kennedy family for wrongful death and received an out of court settlement.

@karenryder6317

2 жыл бұрын

Some of Dr. Grande's speculations may be open to a different interpretation and are perhaps a bit one-sided at times. Nothing was mentioned of JFK Jr. being "a truly nice person" as you mentioned was widely noted in those who knew him. The record does show that he was upset at several of his male cousins calling them "poster boys of bad behavior, he was devoted to his dying cousin, and he tried to be patient with wife Carolyn's drug abuse and emotional vulnerability. As for his intelligence, I wonder if there aren't many people who need three tries to pass the bar. Some of his problems with learning and retention, like checklists, may have been due to the high distractibility and impulsivity associated with the neurological impairments of ADHD. His high-speed plunge into the ocean very likely was a last-ditch desperate attempt to gain altitude while disoriented, an easy thing to do when flying without instruments at night. The tragic fatal flaw he exhibited seems to be his unwillingness to admit the limits of his inexperience in flying.

@canadianfortrump4057

2 жыл бұрын

I don't believe he had a 'death wish'. I believe like other Kennedy family members before him, he was just arrogant and thought he was invincible.

@kcjakes4259

2 жыл бұрын

What’s sad is this is first time I’ve heard her sister was also on the plane. I don’t remember any focus on her death 😢

@jodyjackson5475

2 жыл бұрын

@@kcjakes4259 not his sister. It was His sister in law

@lindavanocker1841

2 жыл бұрын

@@jodyjackson5475 ... April said her sister. Maybe we need to pay a bit more attention to what is said in a comment ??

An excellent analysis on John Kennedy Jr. I’m glad you told it how it was and not sugar coated his mistakes regarding the plane accident. He absolutely should have been Instrument rated and really had more airtime flight hours before he ventured into flying to that wedding.

While I agree partially with you , as an airline captain and owner of my own single engine plane John was led down the garden path . I was a captain in the Airbus 300 that fateful night operating west of that area . The weather reports looked good for VFR flight however I could see scattered patches of ground fog from my vantage point of 32000 feet . I actually mentioned to the first officer that “this is the kind of night that kills VFR pilots as the weather reports were deceptive in that they could not show areas of ground fog “. As well , flying over a large body of water at night for a VFR only and low time pilot should not be taken lightly . I believe John was not fully aware of the skill it took to carry out the task he set out to accomplish that night

John was severely ADHD. It’s reported that his father had it as well. I believe that Johns inability to focus contributed, being that learning to fly is labor intensive and requires the ability to process many moving parts, such as flight plan, navigation, communicating with with air traffic, the ability to read it his navigation instruments, being easily distracted this is not the ideal hobby for those who have severe adhd… not saying that adhd people can’t fly, but being ADHD myself, I love flight simulators but I wouldn’t fly a plane.

@manuellubian5709

7 ай бұрын

Interesting perspective. Thank you 4 your honesty about your condition as, it would have impacted your ability to fly.

@katiekatie19

6 ай бұрын

Ooh I didn’t know that. I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was young as well, and this brings a very interesting perspective

@HughButler-lb6zs

18 күн бұрын

I read somewhere that one of his flight instructors made that same evaluation. He was also weak at multi tasking and he was behind his airplane which forced him to multi task.

@grl9917

10 күн бұрын

He was also diagnosed in high school with dyslexia which makes it much more difficult to process visual cues quickly and efficiently.

The part I found most interesting was JJ’s thought process and his poor problem solving and decision making skills. I can relate having ADD. He should have never been running a business or a pilot.

@meme2nn

2 жыл бұрын

He needed a father to guide him. So sad and tragic !

@keithbrunson7190

2 жыл бұрын

Completely unqualified to live the life he strived for relying on pedigree to get him there rather than taking on tasks such as a publisher and pilot, both of which he was never qualified to do.

@malkaz9167

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustinCase780 Thank you for giving JFK, Jr. credit where credit is due. Everyone who is responding is criticizing him mercilessly when in fact he was a lovely, kind person. I heard that people who knew him thought he was one of the nicest men in public life. He was gracious and giving and a true friend. Let’s not lose sight of that.

@maureenmullen1236

2 жыл бұрын

@@malkaz9167 Yes, he was gracious and kind. And he had ADHD I believe, probably untreated. That would explain his impulsivity and misjudgment. His wife was using cocaine at times and she made the flight late.

@giovannamoro8564

2 жыл бұрын

Adhd runs in familes but i believe it can be triggered by repetitive trauma during childhood and early teens age . This man had a rich lifestyle but probably not a very happy and serene life.the dynamics in his family must have been very difficult for a young man to understand . He surely was spoiled . He probably was overestimated by many . Poor guy i feel anyway sorry for him and his family

I'm a retired military pilot and former military flight instructor. My two takes on piloting: There are only two kinds of pilots: the good and the dead. Either you're an excellent pilot or a great passenger.

I’ve read his ex girlfriend Christina Haag’s book and she narrated a time when they nearly drowned in the sea after their kayak capsized at night during a holiday in Jamaica. Luckily they made it back, but he begged her not to tell his mother Jackie about it as he knew that she would have berated him for endangering their lives. They had no life jackets and underestimated the high tide. The overall impression I got about JFK Jr was that he was a man who never knew his limitations. The people I sympathise the most are Ann Messina and William Bassette who lost 2 daughters all because of an irresponsible man who chose to pilot a plane in conditions that he was not qualified for.

I 've had a lifelong fascination with the Kennedy Family legacy and the many aspects of their personalities. John Jr. was my age and we both were diagnosed with ADD. Today's segment truly brought to light some similar "rise and fall issues" of my own life which has been likely spared by the fortuitous lack in quantity of resources and pressing fame.

@verlinswarey507

2 жыл бұрын

🙂

This case always made me sad. Caroline's parents lost two of their three daughters that night. I can't imagine their suffering or the suffering of their surviving sister, whose name i believe was Lisa. I remember upon hearing of the accident one of my first thoughts was that at least John's mother was dead so she wouldn't suffer the loss of her son. Interesting video, Dr Grande, thank you as always. And speaking of airplane snafus, if you haven't already, can you make a video about Wrong Way Corrigan?

@senseofstile

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong Way Corrigan? That would be great. I remember seeing the Gilligan's Island episode featuring Wrong Way Corrigan and always believed he was a fictional character. That is until 2015 I was at the Evergreen aircraft museum in McMinnville Oregon (Spruce Goose is there). During the tour, the tour guide pointed out an airplane that was the same model Wrong Way Corrigan flew. What? there really was a Wrong Way Corrigan? Yes. Maybe you could do Howard Hughes. The docents at the museum could talk for hours about Howard Hughes.

@LDiamondz

2 жыл бұрын

I've asked for a video on Wrong way Corrigan, ages ago. Not many had heard of him. I really hope Dr.Grande does a video on him!

@guyrabinowitz

2 жыл бұрын

You cited Caroline's parents. You are confusing JJ's wife's name--Carolyn--with his sister's name--Caroline. You meant to write "Carolyn," but you wrote "Caroline."

@IB-1963

2 жыл бұрын

@@guyrabinowitz You made me laugh - I just finished watching Dr Grande's episode on the 10 hall marks of a Narcissistic person. Correcting someones errors can be one. LOL timing is everything.

@guyrabinowitz

2 жыл бұрын

@@IB-1963 Glad you were amused. Note: The word "narcissistic" doesn't get capitalized.

I wonder if Lauren and Caroline understood that he had no business flying that plane. If I knew a pilot wasn't instrument certified, just recently crashed a glider, and hardly had hours on that type of plane without a flight instructor, I'm booking a flight on Delta. I don't care if we're married.

@communicationbreakdown256

Жыл бұрын

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During my commercial flight training I took a 172 from Tifton GA to Columbia SC. At dusk, over the Savannah River Site with almond no lights, I had my first experience with loss of horizon. I was already instrument rated but still it was a shock to instantly transition to instruments. Very easy to get killed in these conditions without the proper rating.

So much tragedy in one family. Didn't JFK have Addison's disease in his later life? Perhaps his son John Kennedy Jr. was starting to suffer from the same which started affecting his inner ear health at the time too which contributed to how disoriented he became. Autoimmune diseases are hard to diagnose. Of course going through a long period of stress is often a contributing cause. Mothers sometimes know their children's vulnerabilities far better than any medical health care team and any security team does.

@cplmpcocptcl6306

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, JFK had Addison’s. John Jr definitely could of been showing signs of Addison’s. Most don’t realize the children are at risk. My kids are tested yearly. 👍🏻

@johnstalberg9983

2 жыл бұрын

@@cplmpcocptcl6306 I agree he had a brain problem--but not Addisons--.not enough grey matter

@suestephan3255

2 жыл бұрын

Yes JFK had Addisons and hid the fact because of political aspirations. To me it was a faulty character that led to the dismiss of his wife, sister in law and himself.

@johnstalberg9983

2 жыл бұрын

@@suestephan3255 Maybe but, it nothing to do with his foollish flight.

@drummerlovesbookworm9738

2 жыл бұрын

If you wrote down the story of most families, they would look tragic, too.

Well said DR. G! You are not only a professional clinical psychologist but also intuitive, knowledgeable and psychic.

… Also, a pilot not using checklist is like a fire fighter not studying building structure.

This is the best balanced and factual analysis of this tragic Greek tragedy I have ever heard . I would venture to say as a physician that John inherited the predisposition for risk taking from his father and grandfather and subsequently reinforced by his environment His sister was more like. her mother rather than her father . His mother was the embodiment of grace and forgave his dad for all his reckless womanizing We were privileged to have him as our president who kept us out of the holocaust of an Atomic War with the Russians .😊

"A man's got to know his limitations..."

Too many people thinking, and wanting, him to become a living legend. Sometimes people Need to be told the hard truth for their own good.

@rullmourn1142

2 жыл бұрын

@@Warriorcock6969 ..You joined KZread Oct 18, 2021 to troll, and you continue to fail at it...lol

@pricklykitty939

2 жыл бұрын

@@rullmourn1142 🤔✊👊👍🙄🎤

Excellent video. Privilege without discipline is not a good combination.

"The Kennedys have proven themselves to be dangerous by land, sea and air" jeez, that caught me off guard Dr. Grande, I'm still laughing after finishing the video🤣🤣 amazing analysis and dark deadpan humor as always.