Current developers: Give us your money for loot boxes. Carmack: Here, have my source code

@jhonshephard921

4 жыл бұрын

to be fair, Carmack back then had no competition, Doom cost a LOT less to make and base prices for games have been artificially kept away from inflation. CDPR today can do more because they are not in the US and don't cost as much to make.

@Deamia

4 жыл бұрын

God I wish a lot more companies released their source codes. There's so many abandoned and old games that could still live on with modern updates to their engines.

@Capeau

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget giving the entire first episode as shareware (free)

@SlayerOfCunts

4 жыл бұрын

@Islam is cancer medianXL for Diablo 2 is a huge mod that changes so much that i don't know if source code was even needed.

@suba7320

4 жыл бұрын

simpler times

John Carmack is not only the father of Wolfenstein and Doom, he's the father of the entire First-Person-Shooter genre. This man is a living legend!

@EmperorPrinc3

3 жыл бұрын

Wolfenstein existed before Id

@metalvideos1961

3 жыл бұрын

@@EmperorPrinc3 that was castle Wolfenstein. Wolfenstein 3D is derived from it.

@Harcix

2 жыл бұрын

and Romero

@altaccount8749

Жыл бұрын

And game engines and modding scene

@felipefarias9293

8 ай бұрын

Literally the CEO of programming.

Basically every FPS game fan has this man to thank

@NerdsPlayhouse

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Banks Every gamer in general.

@Doom_Squid_Son

4 жыл бұрын

(Exactly one of the reasons an id software character known as Doomguy should be in the most important video game crossover, Super Smash bros.)

@seoulglo1999

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Him and Miyamoto are on the Gaming Mt. Rushmore.

@simplychaff1875

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joe Rogan!

@ColombianThunder

4 жыл бұрын

@Walt Disney that's a terrible logical fallacy

One of the greatest minds in gaming history.

@7cooty7

4 жыл бұрын

And most dull

@nolanduarte

4 жыл бұрын

It was John Romero and his ideas. This guy is just the Zuckerberg of the timeline.

@evanabbott2737

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely👍

@strika52

4 жыл бұрын

The father of Linus

@unitoolzee

4 жыл бұрын

Rattle Snake John Romero is a great designer, but he might have remained a nobody for his entire life if not for John Carmack. All you need to do is look at the fail after fail by Romero after he left id, and compare where Carmack is today to where Romero is today to understand where the true value was.

I love that John Carmack is wearing on of those cringy gamer shirts

@StephNuggs

4 жыл бұрын

Cause only he can get away with it 😂

@Serjical1

4 жыл бұрын

The man can do whatever the fuck he wants at this point.

@devinwatkins8953

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's cringe. I like it maybe that makes me cringe I don't give a fuck tho lol

@privateNukem

4 жыл бұрын

@@devinwatkins8953 Everything is "cringy" to insecure people.

@devinwatkins8953

4 жыл бұрын

@@privateNukem indeed like just be yourself. The nigga makes video games. He rich doing what he likes. I'm sure he was like "hmmm this relates to me" then he put the shirt on. He don't care what someone thinks lol

Allowing people to create mods was the best thing to happen to gaming and was a brilliant idea.

@puremaledark8305

4 жыл бұрын

Shamall all the best games came from it!

@freedomfyodor

4 жыл бұрын

99.9999999999999% of mods are total dogshit though.

@FrankTheDoomriderJohansen

4 жыл бұрын

No... I have no love for modding at all. I don't want to play some stupid fans version of the game... I want to only play the vision of the developers.

@puremaledark8305

4 жыл бұрын

Negative. Capture the flag, left for dead, counter strike, team death match.... all that shit was mods

@sackofpeas2470

4 жыл бұрын

@@freedomfyodor You can say the same for literally any other thing that is made by other people. Most mods may be basic or silly, but there are many for various games that are amazing.

His contribution's to game development can't be understated. Not just FPS but all 3D games in general. The development techniques he invented are still used today in pretty much any 3D game. What he did was figure out how to ignore rendering things in a level that you couldn't see (hidden surface removal). Even with all of their power computers then (and today) still can't draw everything in a level all the time. Before Carmack, programmers had yet to crack the ability to filter out parts of a 3D level that the gamer couldn't see (for example stuff behind you) Carmack figured it out and the way he figured it out is still being done today. Dude is a legend IMO.

@TheTaterTotP80

4 жыл бұрын

Objectively a Legend.

@prebenjaeger

4 жыл бұрын

Calling him a legend in his field is quite the understatement. As mentioned, he is objectively a legend.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated

4 жыл бұрын

Elite had an earlier, rather novel solution to hidden line removal, but it required all the game's 3D models to be (roughly speaking) convex. _(Edit: the first version of this I wrote, my phone keyboard changed "Elite" to "Ellie" 😂)_

@AluminumHaste

4 жыл бұрын

The theory that led to the development of occlusion culling was developed in 1969 by John Wornock, a full year before Carmack was even born. By the time Carmack was working on Quake 1, binary space partitioning was already an established technique in 3D graphics. What he did do was use BSP to pre-process map files to speed up in game rendering so it could be done in real time at a decent frame rate.

@fuckyoutube2483

4 жыл бұрын

Can't be overstated you mean

Open source doom was amazing because in high school there was a kid that had had a zip file and we all downloaded it onto our account and would have LAN tournaments with 30+ players playing across campus. We would have capture the flag and team death match on custom maps.

@minibikemadman

4 жыл бұрын

Custom .wads were the best. I had barney and Michael jackson enemies.

@dicksandballsnshit3856

4 жыл бұрын

In my school we weren't quite that advanced, we only played 4 player co-op, but sometimes we'd play that map where you start in a pit and the only way up is via a 1 man elevator so we'd inevitably spend the whole lesson (whoops) chainsawing each other to death over who gets to go up the elevator first. Good times.

@Sergeant_Camacho

4 жыл бұрын

GOOOD OOOLD DAYS

@evanabbott2737

4 жыл бұрын

Nice! I remember being a kid and bringing my copy of Doom 2 to all my friends houses who had computers and installed the game.....wether they wanted it or not😁

@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677

4 жыл бұрын

Nerds

John Carmack is THE MAN.

John Carmack: talks about doom. Joe Rogan: Yeah man, Quake is awesome, had a fight in a toilet.

@williamsmith666

3 жыл бұрын

"Want some Shroom Tech?"

@ghallora

2 жыл бұрын

This made me lol.

@GEMSofGOD_com

2 жыл бұрын

That's Counter-Strike's Poolday map, Joe

@LunatiqHigh

10 ай бұрын

Quake needs that love TBH. EVERYONE talks about Doom.

I will always be grateful for id Software doing this. I highly doubt I would of been a game developer if I didn't discover making maps in Doom back in 94/95. It consumed my life and became it.

That's the thing. Id never lost any money by releasing the previous gen engines as open source. They did keep their games alive and give people a great basis on which to build interesting projects though. Carmack obviously believes sharing knowledge is important too and has always been keen to teach. When the engines were current gen technology they licensed them like any other company and I assume did pretty well out of this given idtech2 was found all over the place for example.

@ChristopherGray00

Жыл бұрын

Arguably their game sold multiple times more than it would if they weren't so lenient with their copyright and redistribution. Imagine if doom never had shareware, this masterpiece probably wouldn't have been known by most people, that's why i think open source is generally a good thing, maybe not for EVERY single program, but for the grand majority of programs and games.

I've met John several times at car meets and such. He's really friendly and will talk your ear off. Super technical... basically whatever the subject matter is he extends the conversation into the unknown... if you get what I mean.

@xPreatorianx1

4 жыл бұрын

In other words - the best conversationalist in terms of a geeky topic. Will talk your ear off, but you'll enjoy every nanosecond of it! I'd love to meet him. He'd school the shit out of me, but it would still be an enjoyable experience.

@Toripusutashi

4 жыл бұрын

Whats his whip? I heard hes a big car fan.

@DOHC2L

4 жыл бұрын

@@Toripusutashi What do you mean? his whip...?

@Toripusutashi

4 жыл бұрын

His car...

@DOHC2L

4 жыл бұрын

@@Toripusutashi Dude has twin turbo Ferrari's

I was the one who put Doom on EVERY computer in our school district. Blame Mr. Mathieu for leaving the network open that day!

@CTyler84

4 жыл бұрын

Good man. My school tried one of those chips that erase everything that's not supposed to be there at reboot. Jeez. The tabs to pop open those desktop computers were JUST THERE, not even screws, tabs! Two clicks, a slide, and a little chip loosened. A likely very expensive countermeasure circumvented with 0.01% effort.

@SMJSmoK

4 жыл бұрын

Well school network admins often do things like that on purpose because they're secretly on your side :)

@GabagoolGang

2 жыл бұрын

You are the real hero

“And doing all these things like replacing Hitler with Barney,” I never thought I’d hear that and never knew how bad I wanted too.

I love that idea so much: People in 100 years can still play with DOOM's original source code. That's just awesome in so many ways.

@KrazzeeKane

9 ай бұрын

Genuine immortality, that's what Carmack has achieved with his open source code. As he said, even 100 years after his body is dust, people will still be reading and learning his coding and techniques as they re-write and port Doom to whatever fancy future tech we have then. He will live forever in that sense, an intrinsic part of the foundation of video gaming and technology, forever.

This guy is a LEGEND in the game dev community. Carry on John, you carry on.

If it wasn't for John Carmack, PC gaming and modding will not be where it is now.

@surject

4 жыл бұрын

...you mean 15y ago. What AAA game of the last 10y can be modded anymore, let alone is the source code available for?

@furiomorius7962

4 жыл бұрын

​@@surject I can't deny that you are right on this on. While there games with some modability like Tekken 7 & Street Fighter 5, but these aren't truly mod supported. We are now seeing less game with mod support. Companies are now restricting creativity to maximize profit.

@surject

4 жыл бұрын

@@furiomorius7962 like Disney ;) It's sad. But I'm happy I still experienced the better times ;) I did Doom WADs myself, played a lot of Desert Combat (BF1942 modern mod that lead to BF2 since DICE even recruited those modders), also the Star Wars mod (=>Battlefront), having fun with the Sandbox mod for BF2, played Freespace2 SCP through a 2nd time +some other mods, and spent also a good amount of time in Falcon 4.0 and all its mods which improved it a lot the following 10y...

@imeverywhereandnowhere56

Жыл бұрын

@@furiomorius7962 And that will be their downfall.

I'm curious what John's take is on Bethesda leveraging the modding community to fix their broken games for them.

The corporate climate of gaming today will never allow this type of modding/open source code without some sort of financial incentive. What a shame.

@TRIIGGAVELLI

4 жыл бұрын

I'm hardcore capitalist but what you see today with games is just piggish greed. The type of greed that smothers creativity. And the current generation of micro transaction cesspool proves my point I think. Companies today don't care about pushing innovation just Shark Cards.

@TRIIGGAVELLI

4 жыл бұрын

@Analyzing Male Slavery I'm about entrepreneurship and the free market. I'm well aware of the pitfalls of Capitalism nothing is perfect (I mean compared to communism with half a billion dead). I accept it, I also accept that capitalism is the reason video games exist so it's always a quid pro quo.

@spencerm5913

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, fallout 4 kind of had it. Maybe not to the same extent, but definitely in spirit.

@alexkrasnic3850

4 жыл бұрын

Analyzing Male Slavery mao.....

@tohopes

4 жыл бұрын

with the much larger games and the much larger audiences of players, it takes a lot more man hours these days both to develop this support in the first place and then to support it on an ongoing basis.

I love when Rogan has geniuses and world changers on his podcast like this.

@nunya2445

4 жыл бұрын

Carmack is a legend.

If you've ever played an FPS you should be thanking this man for being a major influence in the early design and tech

Makes me sick that modding in gaming today is basically extinct. Modding/crowdsourcing can and should literally the future of gaming. e.g. An open source MMORPG would be unbelievable. Imagine being able to upvote fan made instances and then seeing them be added to the actual game.

@jonsweeney4347

4 жыл бұрын

Something like that is currently happening with City of Heroes, the source code for which was released last april (after a TON of controversy that is too detailed to go into here). Take a look at thunderspygaming.net - they're still kind of learning as they go, but new powersets and abilities have been added, alongside completing stuff that was still in development when the game closed.

@igorthelight

4 жыл бұрын

Indie games have mod support. Some of them are even good :-)

@majamystic256

4 жыл бұрын

i kinda would like to see a open source runescapelike mmo so make my own world with quests and lore and skills and items and pvm bosses and such

I have huge respect for John. Human beings like him are quite rare to come by these days.

Joe "you could get to the top of the toilet and shoot at things off the toilet" Rogan

@justabitofjunkie2595

4 жыл бұрын

That was one of the most popular maps on Unreal Tournament actually, not Quake.

Doom is basically immortalized because of this decision. It can run on multiple devices and still receives mods to this day.

IDDQD and IDCLIP These codes are still burned in my mind.

@michaelmarhal

4 жыл бұрын

idkfa

@theangryfinger5795

4 жыл бұрын

IDKRONZ

@letsgoBrandon204

4 жыл бұрын

IDCLEV##

@adeelahmed8991

4 жыл бұрын

When we all discovered what video game cheating is.

@TheVanillatech

4 жыл бұрын

IDSPISPOPD IDBEHOLD IDDQD IDKFA IDDT

This man is one of the most brilliant game developers alive today. Several times he blazed new trails by doing the virtually impossible. Early on, he programmed Commander Keen using algorithms he created to produce smooth scrolling on computers that did not support scrolling at all. Then he created the faux 3D algorithms for Doom on computers that did not support 3D. And then he created real 3D graphics algorithms when computers did finally have some basic support for 3D and a lot of those techniques are in use by all 3D game engines today.

I'm loving John carmacks shirt

John can take something very complex and make it understandable to most people. He's a genious in that Feynman-way

Woah, I didn't know Joe Rogan would interview someone like John Carmack! Gonna have to listen to the full podcast later.

@juicyjuice5083

4 жыл бұрын

@ALongLeggedPissedOffPuertoRican A man of culture.

Not many people appreciate how much John Carmack pushed forward PC gaming in the early 90s. Innovation after innovation. He's a genius.

without quake being open source Call of Duty wouldve never been created as it was and still is an EXTREMELY modified quake engine

@user-cm6sp9iu5r

4 жыл бұрын

Without quake Halo wouldn't have existed and without it neither would modern fps games.

@NathanJennings1222

4 жыл бұрын

I remember the early CoD games were WWII based and used the shit outta the Quake III engine. As did Star Wars Jedi Outcast, Star Wars Jedi Academy, Medal of Honor, and Return to Castle Wolfenstein.

@adonizi

4 жыл бұрын

@@StrawberryKitten If you go play the original call of duty you can feel Quake all over it. All the tricks that work in quake work in cod. Even the console commands are the same. The same console commands that worked in quake still work in modern call of duty.

@alephnull9742

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-cm6sp9iu5r Marathon baybee

@AeroZeppelin-rb4pt

4 жыл бұрын

They still would have made fps games without quake or doom someone else would have made something

This guy is awesome

open sourcing your game is how you keep its community alive years after you release your game, allowing people to put mods into the game adds infinite replay value to the game and mods reimagine what the original project was which is cool on countless levels

@igorthelight

4 жыл бұрын

True!

@Mrcryptidsarereal

10 ай бұрын

It's not just mods, it's longevity. Giving plays access to the source code lets people with talent adapt the game to run on new systems. It's how people manage to run Doom on toasters and ATM machines

@Dartht33bagger

8 ай бұрын

Which is why I wish EVERY game followed their model and released source code after a few years.

Sometimes I still play Doom and Quake. These games never get boring.

@Ragnarok540

4 жыл бұрын

Unlike the average live service, those games will always be relevant.

@gaussminigun

4 жыл бұрын

Do you stream

ID software had such a great impact on the whole gaming industry. The first 3D Engine and they made it open source, they introduced the clan system and dedicated server and therefore kinda invented E-Sport. Such an important company.

@mugnuz

Жыл бұрын

nope...

@basedSkeleton

Жыл бұрын

They did not make the "first 3d engine".

John Carmack sounds just as nerdy as I would have expected LOL, #respect

John Carmack has a calming, intriguing voice that makes you want to bear him tell a long story about video games and anything tech related

The way that man forms sentences in his mind, most delicately, you listen to him speak as if reading code.

I remember going over to my mates house in the 90's and his Dad was an architect so he had a 2 PC LAN setup in his office. We used to sneak in when he wasn't there and play Doom, Quake, Command & Conquer etc. But one of the most memorable was spending all day in level editors for Quake, was such an awesome experience back then. Seeing what you have made inside the game you love. You'd honestly spend hours making something, then 5 minutes testing it and straight back out to edit again lol.

John Carmack.. why when he talks to I feel stupid? he is a GOD

This was from one of the best JRE episodes ever. It's a pity Spotify has taken it from us. :/

He sounds like an old Chuckie from Rugrats

I still play doom via GzDoom every now and then, and the mod scene is alive and kicking. Thank you for releasing the source code!

Quake games had the best damn soundtracks ever. I still have them

@timestampskip

4 жыл бұрын

hiring NiN for sountrack is basically cheating. Jk quake soundtrack is the shit

Number one yoooo . Love you Joe Rogan , keep being awesome!!!

That guy never change, always responding with cheer.

John Carmack what a legend!! ❤️

This guy looks like Stephan kings evil brother

@Illumirage

4 жыл бұрын

But Stephen King is evil now....

@kevintemido

4 жыл бұрын

Because it’s Stephen king from an alternate timeline. Look into it

@mightquinnable

4 жыл бұрын

cozzashozza isn’t Stephan king the evil brother

@itza8334

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen King would have been the Evil Twin though.

@haraldharam9334

4 жыл бұрын

Other way around

What John says here about any possible machine running DOOM, that is true- there is literally a video on KZread of a guy running DOOM on a pocket calculator.

@imeverywhereandnowhere56

Жыл бұрын

There's a video of a guy running Doom on potatoes. I kid you not. Look it up.

How he and his crew created the legendary Doom and Quake series is an amazing gift and achievement!

Companies these days need to learn from John Carmack. Come back to making games John we miss you!

@fr33kSh0w2012

4 жыл бұрын

No, When they sold HIS company to zenimax it hurt him ALOT! that's why he left and I don't blame him, He also has ASPERGER'S SYNDROME!

@KillerXtreme

4 жыл бұрын

@@fr33kSh0w2012 I don't blame him either, they really fucked up his company and games put out since he left haven't been nearly as good as they could be. Which is why I personally miss his input into games.

Thank you Joe for this interview... I was just telling the Doom community to lighten up... There was some people crying about other people altering their maps and mods... I told them that the Master's (Romero, Carmack,Peterson, ect.) made it open source a long time ago for just that reason...

John Carmack lives and breathes games, a true gamer.

4:01 That's some serious Dr. Sauks-level best-for-the-globe generosity there. Thx Sir.

Joe "Haptic Feedback Vest" Rogan

I go back to the originals and it’s damn cool Joe does too!

Low-level programming is good for the programmer's soul.

@seanriopel3132

4 жыл бұрын

That's why I love Assembly.

@MoeFokah

4 жыл бұрын

Nah. You're just irrelevant.

@seanriopel3132

4 жыл бұрын

@@MoeFokah INT 16h MOV 00h,[AX]

@mina86

4 жыл бұрын

@@seanriopel3132, could you explain how are you assigning a value from memory into an immediate?

@seanriopel3132

4 жыл бұрын

@@mina86 no I cannot. It was a joke, from memory

This gave me a flashback to the LAN I had set up in my bedroom when I was 14. I used to play Quake with my brothers. I had modded my Quake game so that each of us could choose a character from South Park (which was brand new at the time), and getting shot would play a voice snippet from the show. For example, I would play Cartman and when someone would shoot near me, we would all hear him say, "Heh, yeah hippy, go back to Woodstock if you can't shoot anything!" I also had modded in grappling hooks which added verticality to the game. It was like an extremely primitive version of Just Cause gameplay-wise. Thanks, John Carmack. You are a superhero to the gaming industry.

Carmack and Romero are legendary!

Thank you, mr. Carmack, for I have had days upon days of fun on GZdoom! Id Tech 1 can do anything!

@ghfjfghjasdfasdf

4 жыл бұрын

Yes indeedy! One of the best games of all time and will last forever with mods.

This dude made me learning programming possible without going to college for it and I’m forever greatful for that.

“haptic feedback vest” -Joe Rogan DMT flashback

Action quake and air quake were awesome

Doom is still the best game I've ever played. I remember getting the shareware for DOS from my buddy. Blew my mind. And really, though I was a kid, I still think Doom is what got me interested and lead me to my career. Open sourcing Doom... that was awesome.

thanks for 60p. Love it.

I love this guy. Him talking about open sourcing doom and his exciting it was seeing the mods. Makes me like the man more

I fondly remember playing quake with tons of weapon mods as a kid.

Joe Rogan and the benevolent hyper-intelligent architect of the post-singularity simulation we all live in: John Carmack.

Joe “Thats cool but anyway” Rogan

@limeangelo6019

4 жыл бұрын

Heres wonderwall

Such a cool bussiness dessicion to release the source code of your games when they've become 'last generation'. To me, it really shows both love for and confidence in the product well after its time. Also some really good market research. Looking up mods for your own old games, from producers perspective, really shows what people liked about those games. And if people put some good new innovative stuff in those mods. You have yourself some ideas to put into new releases. Also gaining mad respect from your customers/audience sure doesn't hurt either.

I want John Carmack as a character on the next GTA 🙏🏽😁

Thank you so much, John.

Razer Nari Ultimate, are haptic feedback headphones. I just tried them at Bestbuy yesterday, they are pretty cool

There are thousands and thousands of game developers. There are only a few huge names in programming. Carmack is on that level.

Big thank you. I had a blast in my younger days. Again thank you.

@fr33kSh0w2012

4 жыл бұрын

Doom 1 came out when I was 10 years old!

Have nothing but respect for the optimizer in chief.

So many great games were built from the engines that Carmack helped to create - Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Half Life, Star Wars Jedi Academy etc.

@Lo0nex_

4 жыл бұрын

man i still play quake, old cods and jk2. carmack's a god

As a kid, I completed doom 3 several times. During the end credits I would see his name first. He's the godfather of fps.

Also, the binary patches to the doom binaries to make mods and level editors, is what led to using standard .Pak data storage format and giving away the source code.

The two Johns... Thanks to the pair of for you for changing the face of gaming forever. Doom and Quake are epic. Still today they are legendary.

True visionary along with Romero, and the classic team.. rip 90s

John Carmack is a genius. The godfather of FPS. What I loved about Doom and Quake was all the after market mods. The CTF mod was awesome. So grateful that those guys at ID Software realized the benefits of allowing people to improve their products.

Joe is such a trooper. So diplomatic

6:05 Joe, that was Unreal Tournament!

Doom is my all time favorite game. First computer I played it on was a 386sx.

Such a great video, there must be so many extra sales of the game far down the line because of people’s interest in the game, KZread and twitch content. (I certainly bought them all on steam recently because of streams I watched)

Anyone have the link to the full interview?

Such a phenomenal & forward thinking dude.

I'm sorry to poke but why is the full episode set to private?

Joe ‘Shoot things off of the toilet’ Rogan

Joe getting that gamer audience involved

Great podcast, man its been a min since intelligent meets intesting. Bout time Joe.

This man is legendary in the gaming world. I first played the first two or three DOOM games and Quake, Dukem Nukem 3D on my dads 486 in the 90's. So many great memories playing old games with my dad now i own all those games and so much more from my childhood.

joe should interview Ton Roosendaal of the blender foundation

Holy shit. John Carmack was on the Podcast?

@Big_Gulps_Huh

4 жыл бұрын

I know, isn't it great? I thought the same thing. :)

For me a living legend as Game Developer. Shigeru Miyamoto is the 2nd.

john carmack is a legend and a great inspiration to me....

@riftsalty7562

4 жыл бұрын

Krishna Prasath hey. Me

I grew up around the block from Kevin. It was a constant common cutdown of makin fun of someones inner id back when all we had was Atari and magnavox