You can't change my mind, she only gave Lupin a wife so people wouldn't call him gay

@heatherofhyrule9050

7 ай бұрын

Also lots of queer people saw themselves in Tonks so she had to make her a boring mom rq

@lauraalaughing671

7 ай бұрын

@@heatherofhyrule9050 She would have been a fire genderfluid or nonbinary charakter

@heatherofhyrule9050

7 ай бұрын

@@lauraalaughing671 THATS WHAT IM SAYING I was always obsessed with her in OOTP as a kid and I think it’s bc I’m bi and she was just so cool. Then she got married and became “normal”

@emiliereal1520

22 күн бұрын

Same with Tonks :(

@midsummernight9431

17 күн бұрын

It seemed forced in so many other ways, too. Tonks just seemed so extremely immature compared to Lupin. There was the age difference PLUS the fact that she always acted younger than her age/like she wanted to be down with the teens and stay a teen, while Lupin was acting like he was much older than his actual age, probably because of all the shitty things he had gone through. Like Rowling made it seem Tonks must have had daddy issues or choose Lupin just because she had a thing for werewolfs?

The _truly_ weird thing is that everyone ends up in long term relationships with people who were in their year at school. How many people do you know like that?

@li2906

Жыл бұрын

It’s because they are wizards. Wizards work different jobs, live different lives and I think Hogwarts is the only wizarding school the UK. Hogwarts is a perfect place for them to find life-long friends, because it’s a boarding school and not just any boarding school. in your usual public school you would come to a very plain building in the morning, listen during lessons, joke around a little during lunch and leave, whereas in hogwarts they live together, attend MAGIC lessons, have a litteral huge and mysterious castle as well as the outside to hang out, a choir, quiddich games, big events and old traditions. And back then there wasn’t such a big hook up culture. Even my parents and all their friends who are married now met in university.

@galacsinhajto

Жыл бұрын

Makes you think. Do people get divorced? Is it unthinkable for Ron and Hermione to split up , because after the dust settles, and they try to live together, they have to realize they are not a good fit.

@Lilas.Duveteux

Жыл бұрын

However, they are living with each other.

@Doomzdeh

7 ай бұрын

What do you expect-them to argue about their career paths and how they never do anything fun together anymore? They were in a war, bro. Besides, going through traumatic experiences with someone else would likely make you more dedicated to them than to some random boyfriend/girlfriend you met at your high school.

@jamesmc04

6 ай бұрын

I can think of two examples. So it may be rare, but it does happen.

People say female authors portray emotions in more subtle and nuanced ways. Well, Rowling is about as subtle and nuanced as a sledgehammer to the face.

@aishitemasuu

Күн бұрын

Men writing women tho💀

Their parenting skills may suck but Vernon and petunia are actually one of the best couples in the series. Vernon has to deal with all the magical BS From Petunia's side of the family, yet his loyalty to her never wavers.

@jamesmc04

7 ай бұрын

The wizards consistently treat the Dursleys in an arrogant and harmful manner, from taking for granted that they will look after Harry, to lecturing Vernon & Petunia on their treatment of Harry. This is the same high-handedness as is shown to the Goblins & House-Elves; if Umbridge is an extreme example of this, Aunt Marge mirrors her attitude. Molly Weasley shows hints of the same wizardous contempt for non-Wizards. Molly, and Marge, are both pet-forms of the name Margaret; these choices of name seems unlikely to be accidental.

@demi-femme4821

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, Vernon never judges Petunia for having a witch for a sister despite being one of the most judgemental mfs to ever live.

@tomatosoup1304

9 сағат бұрын

Yeah, he thinks its weird but he also considers it her ONLY flaw

The only good romance is Bill and Fleur but we never actually see a lot of them

@olivia-sv3wq

21 сағат бұрын

yeah they were soo good yet jkr clearly hated fleur, it seems like she only wrote her to have a physically flawless female character to shit on

If only the romances in Harry Potter were like Percy and Annabeth, or Katniss and Peeta. As much as I love Harry Potter, the romance is just bad.

@mish375

Жыл бұрын

Some people complained about Katniss and Peeta but it actually made sense. The two were so traumatized from the Games and the War that they could only understand each other and each other's viewpoints.

@Raine.in.love.

9 ай бұрын

Percy jackson will forever be in my opinion objectively better than HP in nearly every way

@Mialikesthings

9 ай бұрын

@@Raine.in.love.well secondary main character development clearly is more superior in HP tho,same as magic system

@wildbard4112

8 ай бұрын

I mean Percabeth just puts all HP relationships to shame

@yawninglion1677

7 ай бұрын

I never liked Katniss and Peeta personally, but then I'm against pretty much any relationship that seems to be distracting from the main plot. I can agree that their writing made a lot more sense, though.

A funny headcannon I saw is that after Hogwarts Neville and Harry have a sort of competition of “praising” Snape. Yknow get drunk and be like “Oh Snape, such a good man!” In a sarcastic way. They go above and beyond to one up each other. Outside, people are kinda confused, but the people in their friend group either roll their eyes or are laughing their butts off. Then, Harry named his son after Snape and sends a letter to Neville like “Your move.”

@TeaTime574

3 ай бұрын

at that point the only way to top it is for Neville to change his last name to Snape and have his whole bloodline named after him

@duckyfishes9445

Күн бұрын

Okay someone write this fic. This is too good and so funny lol. XD I wish I can write it but I can’t write humor at all.

I always read Harry marrying Ginny as simply wanting to be a part of the Weasley family which to me is slightly problematic..

@stefan4159

4 ай бұрын

Harry fell in love with Ginny due to her vibrant personality. Officially entering the Weasley family was simply an added bonus.

@olivia-sv3wq

21 сағат бұрын

i'm sure he knew he was still a part of it and they all saw it that way too. i guess they're a fine couple if you ignore the lowkey oedipus thing

Tonks, the more I think about it, was a pretty atrocious character assassination because in Book 5, she's this cool punky attitude-laden newcomer to the squad, and then she falls and love and becomes so pathetic she can't even use her super-rare congenital mutant power anymore until she gets to be his little wife who literally follows him to the grave. Almost gives me pre-TERF vibes just based on how I read it. Like, any woman who falls in love and marries will inherently give up her ambiguity and spunk for the man, changing everything about her own identity right down to her patronus, to match his.

@foxial5358

4 ай бұрын

To be fair, unlike Lupin, Tonks is an auror. It´s literally her job to fight against dark wizards. Why should she stay at home and let her husband fight when that´s what she is trained to do. And storywise, their marriage is simply there to go against the ideals of blood purity (Tonks is a pureblood and Lupin is a werewolf, and in the 7th book Lupin explains how this is frowned upon by the majority of the wizarding world) and their son parallels Harry. And many other characters like Snape also change because of love. And because neither Tonks or Lupin are staying at Hogwarts, overall there´s not much attention that can be put into that relationship so we don´t know all the details, and in the 6th book her changed behaviour is more like a red-herring that mostly just distracts from the real mystery of that book. That´s why the truth about her is explained only at the end of the novel when the main plot is already over.

The worse thing about Lily and James is how JK tried to parallel their story to Voldemort's parents. Voldemort is supposed to be born without love, his parents didn't love eachother, his mother died and his father didn't love him. That's the difference in their upbringing and why Voldemort is a reflection of a Harry without love but James and Lily's relationship is so poorly written that you don't understand why that point was even made in the first place. Also, I personally always been weirded out by Tonks and Lupin's relationship, first of all because of the age difference, she's barely in her twenties, and that after they got together Tonks seemed so dulled. Tonks was this character that was so colourful and full of life, I understand that it could be because of the war but she had been an Auror for years at that point, it made me feel like she had lost her spark, truly depressing.

@lahlybird895

8 ай бұрын

Let's do a fun little experiment and see what the relationship would look like if we genderflipped tonx and lupin

@carmirhodes6851

8 ай бұрын

@@lahlybird895 it would still be weird ~

@lahlybird895

8 ай бұрын

@@carmirhodes6851 indeed it does the question is if it becomes even more so

@J-manli

8 ай бұрын

I think Sheep in Box pointed out something about how Tonks’ taming reflected Rowling’s experience with motherhood. It was along the lines of how Rowling found great joy and fulfillment in being a mother and so projected that onto her characters. And because of her current rocky (for lack of better words) relationship with the queer community, some parts of the queer community retroactively view Tonks as the personification of the belief that “queerness is just a phase.”

@lahlybird895

8 ай бұрын

@@J-manli well that actually make sense of the weird character to use for the metaphor when there's much more prominent mothers in the series

I will always recommend the original Percy Jackson series for a good example of romance in a children’s series. Hell, good romance in fiction in general.

@mittag983

Жыл бұрын

But in HOO Leo x Calypso (Caleo) was the worst

@justsomeone6593

9 ай бұрын

​@@mittag983Why? I never was that invested in it, but i thought it was ok, sometimes even a bit cute, so i'm interested in hearing why so many people don't like it.

@freddieadams8435

9 ай бұрын

​@@mittag983it got better in Trials but yeah it wasn't that good in HoO.

@swiftnstylinson

8 ай бұрын

@@mittag983 Yeah....

@Myaluvsmusic

13 күн бұрын

GUYS CALM DOWN

I always forget how Lily and James romance is written, my head is full of lovely head canons and fanfic about them that I tend to forget how James ACTUALLY was in hogwarts 😭

@lightdarksoul2097

2 ай бұрын

In one memory by the person he hated and hated him

you would have been accurate if you had stopped at "JK Rowling sucks at writing."

In all honesty, I never really paid much attention to the romance to begin with honestly. But Harry Potter’s romantic subplots looked really bad from what you said, and I guess that shows why you really need to plan out a healthy romantic subplot between two characters. This video actually help give me insights on some of the romantic subplots in my writing and change it up, and now it’s looking a lot better. So thank you, Smarty

@blackharmonics4518

2 жыл бұрын

" I guess that shows why you really need to plan out a healthy romantic subplot between two characters. " I don't think that a story always needs "healthy" relationships to make it a good story. It depends on which outcome you want to have with it. You also can play with toxic relationships in your stories. It gives another layer to your characters. For example: A guy who is always lovely and cheerful to his friends and strangers and is very popular, but a dick to his girlfriend/boyfriend or his family. It gives you material to work with your character. Maybe he goes see a therapist, because he has some serious mental issues, or his dickhead moves are revealed to his friends, so that they abandon him and he becomes a villain. He may overcomes his flaws and gets a better person. It also has an effect on the other characters. Maybe his girlfriend/boyfriend does something to him or whatever. But yeah, the romance in the books wasn't good most of the time. They were side plots for character development but rather subtle. Harry got some experience, which is normal at this age, but it wasn't the main goal to achive a relationship. The main plot was fantasy/adventure based.

15:32 It's even worse in the films where after interacting with Ginny even less than in the books Harry suddenly decides he loves her after just seeing her at her bedroom window. And the Half Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows films they try to make scenes where she feeds him, ties his shoes and he zips up her dress sexy.

@mish375

2 жыл бұрын

That was entirely random. It's like: oh so loves her now? And is no one creeped out by the fact that Ginny looks exactly like his mother? It was just weird.

@Xehanort10

Жыл бұрын

@@mish375 Harry "Norman Bates" Potter.

@mish375

Жыл бұрын

@@Xehanort10 There's definitely a Oedipus complex going on there with Harry. Hates his father, is obsessive over his mother's memory, and then marries a girl who looks just like her. Not sure what Rowling was trying to say there.

@stefan4159

Жыл бұрын

@@mish375 How on earth does Ginny "look exactly" like Lily?

@wolverineiscool7161

Жыл бұрын

exactly the prob. I think its worse because the books didn't explain it at all. Like one day he decided to like her, it was so out of the blue but Ron and Hermione made perfect sense

I actually had the exact same experiance. When I read the books as a kid/teenager I didn't care or mind the romances. But recently a reread the books as an adult closing to 30, and god... They all were kinda unpleasant at best (Harry & Ginny) or downright worrying at worst (Ron & Hermione). I honestly felt anxious reading all these toxic and abusive scenes portrayed as romantic.

@a.sahmed2639

Жыл бұрын

Book 6 was so much better for Harry and gunny tho

@stefan4159

Жыл бұрын

How was Harry/Ginny "unpleasant" in the books? I can understand if you're talking about the movies, but in the books they are very well portrayed.

@csabas.6342

Жыл бұрын

​@@stefan4159 Well I am mostly neutral about them. In the movies, yeah its a typical checkbox style plotline Yates needed to do. In the books there is more depth of course, but to me the whole thing still feels like there is very little substance behind it. 1. The biggest issue for me is how distant they are, in a sense that Ginny almost always comes in more like as an afterthought rather than an integral part of Harry's life (or an integral part of the story). Like if you try to paint a picture of Harry's inner world then I would be very surprised if Ginny would take a major role in it. Harry's thoughts are basicly like: 1. Voldermort, 2. Ron & Hermione, 3. His dead parents, 4. Hogwarts and magic, 5. Dubledore ... and the list goes on and Ginny is probably somewhere around quidditch and exams. Sure Ginny is there, but to what extent? Barely episodically... 2. Its kind of a personal preference, but the best romances are centered around companionship rather than sexual tension, which requires deep understanding and great empathy between the characters. To me its just not there in this case. There are very few convos between them that are actually have some depth or substance to it (like the funeral of Dumbledore). Its mostly just Harry internally realizing that Ginny is much cooler and hotter than he thought... and jealousy... 3. I don't really have that much problem with jealousy itself, but the way it's presented in the books is very cringe. Ginny dating Dean, while liking Harry, Harry's stomach (if I remember correctly?) monster... okay just no more examples... Overally to me it's just a thing that is there. It's not really relevant or important, you could just cut out Ginny completely from the story and it would be essentially the same. It is always in the background and its fine to be there, but there is not much value to it and its occasionally unpleasant and cringe.

@stefan4159

Жыл бұрын

@@csabas.6342 It's a bit simplistic to say that Harry and Ginny are distant, because that really only takes into account their dynamic in the first four books. And even in those four books, Ginny is an integral part of Harry's life -- or at least, as integral as characters like Fred and George are. Even in those books, Harry continually notices Ginny's feelings, Ginny's actions etc. and goes out of his way to communicate with her, even when she has her extreme shyness around him. And she absolutely starts to take a major role in Harry's life starting in book 5, when he notices her much more than he did previously and they become good friends. Which leads me to your second point... because there is _plenty_ of companionship, understanding and empathy between Harry and Ginny. That's one of the reasons why I am so drawn to this pairing in the first place. And it's not just at Dumbledore's funeral too: there are plenty of other major moments like this, like when they talk about possession, or the library scene, or Harry's 17th birthday. And peppered throughout this are all the little moments, like when Ginny is the only one able to get Harry away from Dumbledore's body, or when she takes his hand while they are worrying about everyone escorting the fake Harry's from Privet Drive, or when she is able to read his mind when he's worrying about being banned from Quidditch by Umbridge. They obviously find each other very attractive, but that's a good thing. The extreme sexual tension thing.... that's more of a Ron/Hermione thing if anything. The extreme jealousy as well: as exemplified by Hermione launching birds at Ron because of Lavender. And so compared to the Yule Ball drama, the Lavender drama, etc., the jealousy that manifests between Harry and Ginny is much more normal and toned down. I don't think the monster was cringe, personally I don't give a shit about it. but I can understand how some would consider it to be. As for Ginny dating two other persons before Harry that was about her trying to move on from Harry or at least put her feelings on hold. I really could not disagree with you more on the last point, both in principle and in practice. The reason why the books are so popular isn't because of "Good guy defeats bad guy" it’s because of the vast array of prominent and not-so-prominent relatable characters that are in the books! Every character plays a valuable role in the tapestry of the HP series, from more primary characters like Harry, Ron, Hermione, Snape, to secondary characters like Ginny, Luna, to the very minor characters like Lockhart, Justin, and Mrs. Figg. Thinking "let's go and cut out Flitwick" is missing the point. Additionally, in Ginny's case, the story would clearly not be the same, starting from Chamber of Secrets onwards.

@csabas.6342

Жыл бұрын

@@stefan4159 Well I guess there is more merrit in this pairing than I gave credit to it, but to me is still mostly just a completly neutral thing in the background. I still hold my opinion that Ginny's role in the story and Harry's life is very miniscule. Just compare the importance of Hermione and Ron to Harry with Ginny's importance. His 2 friends are basicly almost every page in some form or another and we are constantly reminded how much they mean to Harry, while there is some Ginny thing in every couple hundred pages. She gets the most spotlight in book 6, but if someone would count how many dialogue she has there, I don't think it would lead to very favourable results. She is basically dwarfed by the Dumbledore, the Half Blood Prince, Draco and even the awful drama between Ron and Hermione. If I remember correctly Harry spends more time contemplating about his Slughorn task than thinking about Ginny (but maybe I am wrong in this one). I also still think that she is almost irrelevant to the plot. She has her greatest contribution in Chambers, but she could be switched with a random student. Would the story be worse that way? I think yes, but the point is that her role is not crucial in that book, she is not irreplaceable. Book 3 - I dont remember if she is in there she probably has some sentences. Book 4 - Harry has his Cho thing, Ginny in mentioned here and there. Book 5 the same except she is in DA. Book 6 her most important book, she is hero's love interest - but that plot is almost completely separate from the main plots. Book 7 she is left behind and in the end she participates in the final battle with little to no importance. I agree with you that the jealously thing is not really a big issue. It's kinda normal, especially compared to Ron and Hermione, but many times I just simply had second hand embarrassment. I am not saying that people should feel this way, its simply personal. The whole Harry gradually noticing that she has grown up and has merits is something that also not sits right with me, but it is 100% subjective. Look their limited number of interaction are not bad really, and sometimes it's quite nice maybe even cute, it is just not feels really valuable to me, it's more like I accepted that it is there. I am not saying its an objectively horrible romance or whatever, but it is not a fully fledged out thing and Rowling could have done more with it (but looking at Ron and Hermione its probably better that she didn't).

I think J. K. Rolling rushed all those romances and didn't think any of them though.

@thebadguychinli4011

2 жыл бұрын

JK made the pairings in her head but she didn’t know how to flesh them out on paper…

@stefan4159

Жыл бұрын

The only one that he mentioned that was indeed rushed _on page_ was Remus/Tonks. James/Lily was merely a background plot, Snape's feelings for Lily make sense, Ron/Hermione was hinted at from book 3 (at the latest) onwards, and Harry/Ginny was hinted at since book 2, and very strongly hinted at in book 5.

@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457

Жыл бұрын

@@stefan4159 What about the execution? The thing, KZreadr focused on?

Snape is a jerk. But he teaches at a school where it is somehow acceptable to send 11 year-olds to the forbidden forest as punishment for breaking curfew (Mcgonagall) and has a caretaker that actually wants to use medieval torture devices on kids. Also, Hogwarts has another teacher who fails to recognize that most of his students fall asleep and fail his class and another one who fails to see a student fainting as an emergency, and that maybe one should pause class to check if that student didn't damage his brain. So compared to that, Snape is okay. Which doesn't tell as much about his character as much as all Hogwarts staff being maniacs.

@gothicavictoria1341

9 ай бұрын

I hate to say it because I've grown to loathe Snape so much over the years, but that's a fair point. In that regard, Snape is doing what seems to be normal at Hogwarts

@lahlybird895

8 ай бұрын

Okay hold up I will not stand for this sprout Flander that scene with a movie original and not in the book Ask for your comment about the forbidden Forest I think that hagrid requested them for detention we know teachers can do that and that it's okay to break the rules if you have a teacher or staff member of a chaperone the way you can get books from the restricted section if a teacher signs promission. I will give you filth and bins though

@TeaTime574

3 ай бұрын

snape is a bad guy, but that doesnt mean that hes a *bad guy* if you get what i mean

@runningcommentary2125

2 ай бұрын

If Hogwarts actually existed, Offsted would be a bigger threat to them than the Death Eaters.

@lightdarksoul2097

2 ай бұрын

Snape is still not okay. He threatens to kill pets, throws glass jars at Harry, and just doesn't do his job

One of the most frustrating parts of the books in my opinion was that JK just couldn't pick a lane when it came to the mauraders and Lily. Either commit to making them bad people that Harry has to reconcile and move past, or actually show how they changed for the better. Either way it would have been really interesting. But instead it comes across as JK starting off writing her typical fantasy parents with their fairy tale romance and tragic deaths. But half way through decided that Snape was her favorite character and since Snape hated James and the audience didn't, she just shoehorned in that one memory of the mauraders being just - the worst. Because (unless I'm remembering wrong) James only get's four "on screen" moments. 1. Him protecting Lily and Harry from Voldemort 2. Him coming out of Voldemort's wand in the graveyard to buy Harry time to escape 3. Him appearing from the reserection stone to comfort Harry as he's about to die 4. Him bullying/sexually harrassing/assaulting Snape. One of these instances is wildly different from the others. Combined with the fact that Snape is the only one who ever has anything bad to say about James and this whole plot thread of James being kind of a bastard feels really weird and disjointed.

Ron and Hermione are an absolutely abysmal couple. They have no build up at all, because all they do is fight, and constant fighting isn't something to build a relationship off of.

@foxial5358

4 ай бұрын

They ended up together because Hermione is JK´s self-insert, and Ron is her childhood friend (the one JK secretly wanted to be with). Rowling also admitted it was just meant to be wish-fulfillment.

@Xehanort10

18 күн бұрын

Rowling's probably one of those people who thinks a couple who hate each other and constantly argue is secret sexual tension.

@foxial5358

14 күн бұрын

@@Xehanort10 Not really, because Hermione was based on her, and Ron was based on JK´s childhood friend.

@olivia-sv3wq

21 сағат бұрын

tbh theyre one of my faves (not that there's much to choose from..) but i completely get what you're saying. it would've been way better if she hadn't made everyone find their endgame couples by the end of the series. itd prob be realistic if they had fallen in love years after book 7 but she just needed to have a cheesy rushed happy ending smh

To be fair, when Ron left, he kind of just walked out of the tent and got kidnapped. It's not like he purposefully stayed away for weeks. He literally couldn't find them. And the first thing he does after coming back is save Harry's life. And the only reason he left was because of the locket. So I am able to believe that Hermione can forgive him for leaving.

I rember when I was little shipping Harry and Harmonie In the movies. She was literally the only girl he spent time with and as a kid I took that as maybe they'll get together. Few movies pass then it shows more Harmonie and Ron's growing romance I was just- so confused because they really seem to dislike eachother otherwise.

@CommanderM820

Жыл бұрын

Omg finally I’m not the only one that thought so even my mom pointed out but of course I ain’t a Harry Potter fan so what do I care

@vilee600

Жыл бұрын

@@CommanderM820 I literally had no idea the books existed for so long lol now I do and STILL haven't read any yet.

@CommanderM820

Жыл бұрын

@@vilee600 yeah honestly kinda cringe

@iambadatpickingusernames6669

Жыл бұрын

Because Harry and Hermione’s relationship was very sibling-like. A great example of a platonic male-female friendship.

@vilee600

Жыл бұрын

@@iambadatpickingusernames6669 I was 7.

8:30 Thinking about it Sirius was pretty evil. Snape, despite being a horrible person himself didn't deserve to almost get killed and eaten by werewolf Lupin whether he tried to get the Marauders expelled or not. Both the Sirius character and Rowling dismiss it as a prank.

@RandomGuy-lu1en

7 ай бұрын

Rowling classifies characters as good or bad. They do the same things but if the good characters do stuff, it's always a funny prank and if the bad characters (the ones who are overweight) do it, it's outrageous and demands (and justifies) punishment by the good characters.

@jamesmc04

6 ай бұрын

JKR makes some Gryffindors look bad quite often. This is unlikely to be sheer accident.

@lightdarksoul2097

2 ай бұрын

I mean Snape did make a spell that physically slashes his enemies like a sword. Both were bad people when they were young

Here's a red flag for you Hinny (or whatever you people call it) lovers: "I knew you wouldn’t be happy unless you were hunting Voldemort. Maybe that’s why I like you so much." Yes, this is a direct quote, straight out of Ginny's mouth as Harry tries to break up with her and honestly... has this girl even met Harry? He doesn't like to "hunt" Voldemort. Heck, Harry isn't the one doing the hunting. I bet if Voldie contracted a disease and died during the books, Harry would try to make that day a national wizarding holiday. And "that's why I like you so much"? And people get salty when I call her a fangirl. What Ginny loves isn't Harry. At least not the realistic version of Harry. She loves basilisk slayer Harry. She likes the hero Harry. She likes Harry's ideal hero version. What Ginny is is a run of the mill fangirl that loves the Boy Who Lived. I really hoped that they'd keep her as a background character, but then she had to break up with Dean. I also hoped that after that brilliant line from Ginny Harry would've made the breakup personal and official, but no. Hinny is made canon in the Epilogue. Rowling gave us Bill/Fleur (my only canon Harry Potter OTP), but she did Ginny so dirty by making her a primary character.

@stefan4159

6 ай бұрын

It's only a red flag if you completely misunderstand 1) what Ginny is saying 2) Harry and Ginny's individual personalities 3) their overall relationship 4) the context of the plot. Ginny is _not_ saying "I knew *_you'd be happy_* to hunt Voldemort". Because she is in fact correct in the original quote - i.e. "I knew you *_wouldn't_* be happy *_unless_* ". Ginny doesn't mean that he's glad to fight Voldemort and that he will be doing so with a smile on his face. She means that his personality and morality would not deter him from his mission, because he wants to do the right thing no matter what, and that failure to do so means an increased chance of Voldemort rampaging across the Wizarding World. What Ginny says is in relation to the possibility that Harry just sits things out... and no, he absolutely wouldn't be happy in that scenario! Hell, he says as much to Dumbledore in Chapter 23 of HBP. Whereas if Harry takes the fight to Voldemort, he at least has a chance of being happy, at least after the whole thing is done and dusted with. So, far from it being proof of Ginny not understanding him, it's in fact proof that they do "understand each other perfectly", to quote the scene itself, and that they do have a shared morality, worldview and personality. And no, Ginny is not a "run of the mill fangirl". She is no different to the Twins, Ron and Hermione, who, yes, at first acted based on his fame, but then grew quickly past that. Once she knew more about him she developed feelings for her older brother's cool best friend. It's not that complicated. Hell, if anything, as early as book 2 Ginny clearly grasps a key feature of Harry's personality, namely his aversion to his fame and status and being paraded around; something that every single other hero-worshipper -- for ex. Colin Creevey and Romilda Vane -- clearly did not understand.

@foxial5358

6 ай бұрын

@@stefan4159 This was so well explained, I agree!

@stefan4159

6 ай бұрын

@@foxial5358 Thank you so much! I understand that H/G might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I dislike when people actively spread dis/misinformation about the pairing.

@foxial5358

6 ай бұрын

@@stefan4159 No problem! :) It´s always fun to read good analyses.

To me, Harry Potter is like the Star Wars prequels: I liked them as a kid, and I still like them today as an adult. Even if the more I think about them, the more problems I find.

@TheKeyser94

11 ай бұрын

Maybe you are having your perpective bad, if you think that Anakin and Padme had a star crossed romance, like Padme, you are ignoring all the red flags, even that are problems in both sides, Anakin wanted a replacement for his mother, that why he was so obsessed for Padme, and Padme wanted a family outside her duties, their ideologies are categorically opposite, Anakin believe in the outdated concept of the philosopher king that is basically a dictator, and Padme a believes in a hardcore democracy, also the fact that Anakin is jealous all the time with some men in Padme life, ignore his wife ideas and feelings in front her face when he is around Palpatine, their marriage was doomed to fail from the beginning.

I read some of the Amazon free preview of 'The Ink-Black Heart' so I can confirm: Rowling cannot write believable romance. 🤣 She's also not good at writing functional parent/child relationships if you stop to think about it. She tries to with Molly Weasley and gets a few good moments, but it's really underwhelming. Molly can't remember Ron's favorite color or food preferences, she and Arthur go on a winter vacation that her sons are not invited to during Ron's *first year* at Hogwarts, and buys him horrible dress robes for the Yule Ball. Now, you can say this is because she has so many kids, and so she shouldn't be blamed. But at essential part of being a parent is providing for your children. If you don't have the time and money to support seven kids, then *don't have seven kids*. You can't tell me the Wizading World doesn't have highly effective contraception. But a bigger problem is the Weasley don't use what money they have effectively. I mean, they win the lottery, and decide to blow that money on an Egyptian vacation rather than keeping it back to pay for their children's needs. It's baffling. I can't decide if this is Rowling's difficulty with internal consistency or expressing her real life political beliefs about the causes of poverty.

@krisynthiagomez5883

Жыл бұрын

I mean they probably don’t to answer your comment about contraception, the wizarding world is placed firmly in the early 20th century. They could have magical alternatives but they probably aren’t looked on well, it isn’t like Hogwarts has sex education, and the only times we see someone intervening is when Snape chases students from bushes and Umbridge magically separating a couple (hurrah for the bad guys preventing teen pregnancy right?!😂) as far as Molly and Arthur are concerned, according the Rowling, Molly wanted a daughter but she kept having sons.

@erraticonteuse

Жыл бұрын

Her experience with poverty was basically a year and a half long. She got on benefits (I'm going to call that Safety Net #0 because while that is ideally the default for someone in poverty, people also get denied benefits all the time) and moved out of her sister's house (Safety Net #1 she could have returned to if things got real tight again), finished writing the first book in her brother-in-law's cafe (Safety Net #1.5, since I assume that came with free food), she had a part-time job where she earned just enough to not lose her benefits (Safety Net #2), one friend lent her several hundred pounds to move into a better flat (Safety Net #3), then another friend just gave her money to go back to school to get her teaching certificate (Safety Net #4). I fully understand how it would have seemed so difficult to someone who had grown up middle class and was struggling with depression while going through a messy divorce with an abusive husband, but she also had a lot of support, financial and otherwise, that most people in real poverty would not have had. And that's reflected in the Weasleys. They're "poor", but somehow there's always just enough to scrape by. I don't think she was making any commentary about them being poor because they're irresponsible with money either, I think she legitimately didn't notice that they were because she didn't exactly scrimp and save her way out of poverty either. If she ever really needed money, there were plenty of people who could and did loan or give it to her.

@milanka882

Жыл бұрын

I think you'll find it's the former is the reason. I think you will find its Rollings inconsistencies. I have spent so much time recently finding so many consistencies in her writing and her books. It's absolutely incredible, and I can't help wondering how it got past the editors. It is just so full of potholes, plot conveniences, character inconsistencies… lately I have thought that about the Weasleys, but it is not the only character in consistency she has. Recently, I was alerted to another big one.

@jaydenc367

2 ай бұрын

Nah she is. How was that underwhelming? Tbf they have so many kids...it`s hard to remember all of that. Her buying Ron bad dress robes is on her but no parent is perfect and that is functional and believable writing. True but it still makes sense and explains why she is like that. It could be neither and that the Weasleys just are not good at saving money.

@olivia-sv3wq

21 сағат бұрын

@@jaydenc367 well she didnt buy him the robes, they were hand-me-downs

I agree with you in that the romance in the series are very poorly written. And I thought that when I first read the books. Harry x Ginny and Ron x Hermione, to me, can work, but things that make me question exactly how they did end up together are the same ones you pointed out in the video: Harry and Ginny was incredibly rushed. Ginny practically doesn’t have any importance in books 3 and 4 and she played an extremely minor role in book 5. Book 6 is when Harry is actually attracted to her (almost out of complete nowhere if you ask me), they get together for, what, 2 to 4 weeks? And then they break up at the end of the same book. Then she goes back to having almost little importance in the final book, and then they’re married. Like I said, this could have worked for me if Rowling had developed the romance sooner, like we get hints of it in book 4, Harry realizes his feelings and he and Ginny get together in book 5, they spend most of book 6 as a couple until the end, and it can be the same after that. Ron and Hermione never really worked for me because, like you said, they fight A LOT. Some of those fights almost ended their friendship. So when they got together, it didn’t feel earned to me. So I think Rowling should have toned down on the fighting so that way we don’t question how are these two going to spend the rest of their lives together when we’ve seen they can’t go five minutes without being at each other’s throats. They can still have some arguments (couples aren’t going to agree on everything), but don’t have them doing it all the time. Anyway, like I said, these definitely could work (and it has for some fans), but for me, it just hasn’t. And that’s just my opinion.

@Nortarachanges

5 ай бұрын

The worst with RonxHermione was that when they fought, they were mad at each other for months. And then they can’t get over it without Harry’s help. Truly don’t understand how they’re going to live together without couples counseling minimum

True but like- JK Rowling didn't have a very good romance to start with-

@potatogaming7044

2 жыл бұрын

October 16th

I don’t mind Ron and Hermione’s thing because I think it makes sense. They both go through a lot of trauma, though not as much as Harry. They strive to help Harry but can’t really understand him fully. It makes sense that they’d turn to each other for comfort. What bugs me is how much jealousy is used by JKR to denote that characters like each other. Some jealousy is normal, but I don’t think it should be so prominent in every single romance, to the point where it’s the main way of showing characters like each other. That’s so toxic. Edit: also Snape is a fucking scumbag, fuck that double crosser.

@mish375

Жыл бұрын

Snape is a selfish @sshole even at the end. All he cared about was getting with Lily and didn't care if her husband and child died. And people seem to think this humanizes him. No, no it does not.

Personally I didn’t like the way the romances in general were written in the books … Everyone says how Harry and Ginny are “so good” compared to the movies but book Harry/Ginny is pretty bad to me.. like Harry barely acknowledges Ginny in 5 books and then in book 6 he suddenly has this deep passion, jealousy and love for her out of nowhere… and suddenly she becomes the most important person to Harry, he is only thinking about her “Ginny is fighting/ is in danger ooh no” what about the other Weasley’s or other friends?? Why is he only worrying about her and doesn’t mention the others? Not to mention that the moment Ginny became Harry’s love interest she is suddenly this cool popular girl that every guy thinks is pretty… like Hermione never got that treatment only in the yule ball where she spent hours getting ready and was so different from her usual self she was almost unrecognisable

@stefan4159

5 ай бұрын

> Harry barely acknowledges Ginny in 5 books and then in book 6 he suddenly has this deep passion, jealousy and love for her out of nowhere… and suddenly she becomes the most important person to Harry Fake news. It was a gradual process, and you see a lot of development in book 5 especially. They become good friends, and Harry notices her a lot more because she finally shows her real personality to the fullest extent to him. > like Hermione never got that treatment only in the yule ball Wrong. Hermione had cross-house friendships, was invited to the Slug Club, and was pretty enough to be asked out by Cormac McLaggen. And by the way what's the point of comparing Ginny to Hermione seeing that they were never in competition for Harry's love?

@anit3976

5 ай бұрын

@@stefan4159 Well to me Harry’s romantic interest towards her was a bit too sudden… yes she was more involved in the plot of book 5 but same as a lot of other students in dumbledores army.. she was just one of the gang (never even had an individual scene with Harry after chamber of secrets) and Harry’s love interest was still Cho Chang at that point.. I’m not saying I don’t like the concept of them together, the one scene I actually did like of them was the conversation they had at the end of book 6. I just don’t like the way it was executed/written in the books… same with any of the romantic relationships in the harry potter books.. (just my opinion) On the second one what I’m trying to say is that because Ginny becomes Harry’s love interest, attention is given to her looks in book 6 (slytherin’s mention her at the train for example) and we are told that she is popular with a lot of GUYS.. And I am comparing that with Hermione who is not meant to be Harry’s love interest, you say she is also popular but not in the same way that Cho Chang or Ginny in book 6 was She was never described to be very pretty (her teeth and hair are described as negative), attention is given to her looks only after a lot of preparation/ when she had a makeover for the ball, she did have 3 guys show interest in her but we are never told she is popular among many guys.. if she was a love interest that would not be the case I feel like…

@ShadowSonic2

5 ай бұрын

@@stefan4159 No, Ginny's character was just badly handled. Rowling was lazy, she wrote only ONE major female character for most of the series. She waited too long to bring Ginny back into the plot and introduce Luna and Tonks. If she'd maintained Ginny as a major character after Book 2 and introduced Luna in Book 3 and maybe Tonks in Book 4, it would be a different thing. A better thing.

Not to mention that Remus is in his mid to late thirties and Tonks is in her early 20s. She's the same age as CHARLIE, Ron's brother. She's only 8 years older than a kid young enough to be Remus's son. If it wasn't so obvious that it's REMUS that's being forced into this relationship that he CLEARLY doesn't want to be in (hence all the avoiding and running away he does through the whole thing) I'd be calling grooming all over this! She married a man that's almost as old as her own parents. He was already a Hogwarts student when she was BORN. Maybe in another decade or so, a relationship with a 12 year age gap could work, but not when she's 23 and he's 35. Those are totally different life stages. Hell, her brain isn't even fully developed yet! Just reverse the scenario and imagine it's Tonks that everyone was pressuring to get with a man 12 years older than her rather than the other way around if you can't see how squick that is. I loved Remus and I loved Tonks as two individuals, but their whole "love" story kind of ruined their characters in my eyes. Tonks of book 6 is not the same spunky and cool character as the Tonks from book 5. And that whole "she wasn't depressed because her cousin and one of the only members of her family that actually accepted her and loved her despite her halfblood status died in front of her, but because the man she wants doesn't want her so now she can barely manage to function and her powers are all out of wack" thing was just horrible. Because apparently a woman's only worth is to be loved by a man and if he refuses to love her she's incapable of picking herself back up and moving on to other prospects and finding happiness and self-validation outside of him.

@nellautumngirl

5 ай бұрын

Ooh I forgot how much I hated that storyline. As you said, which is weird because I liked both Lupin and Tonks before. I liked their death scene, as sad as it was, that was well-written. But JKR and romance, man.

@tinab9561

5 ай бұрын

Sorry but a lot of people today have a 12 years age gap in their relationship. There is literally nothing weird with being 23 and being with a person who's 35. 35 is still young. 23 is a full grown adult. The romance is just poorly written, it has nothing to do with the age of the characters.

@foxial5358

4 ай бұрын

Agreed, Tonks really should´ve been just written to be in her 30s as well, but to be fair, wizards live 2-3 times longer than muggles, so age gaps like that could be expected and there are much weirder things in the wizarding world, like half-elves and half-giants, not to mention blood purity. In many other fantasy novels there are even bigger age gaps (even hundreds of years) and characters often loose their magic/abilities as a sign of their heartbreak. And storywise, in the 6th book, Tonks´ weird behaviour is more like a red-herring that mostly just serves to distract the readers from the real mystery of that book, (that´s why the truth about her is explained only at the end when the main plot is already over) and their marriage goes against the ideals of blood purity (in the 7th book Lupin explains how their marriage is frowned upon by the majority of the wizarding world) and then their son parallels Harry. And many other characters like Snape also change because of love. And because neither Tonks or Lupin are living at Hogwarts, overall there´s just not much attention that can be put into that relationship so we don´t know all the details anyway.

@kameronbailey6939

4 ай бұрын

The age difference isn't even that bad it's like people ate forgetting. Tonks is a FULLY grown woman.

@foxial5358

4 ай бұрын

@@kameronbailey6939 While there often are bigger age gaps in fantasy books, realistically, it´s still quite a big age gap during that age, wizards or not. And it´s not like their ages are that important storywise so Tonks could´ve been easily written to be in her 30s too and their story would´ve been exactly the same.

I think it all needed an bit rewriting/reworking for it all to work out. Like for example SHOW the audience James has grown as an person when dating Lily not just bully her best friend behind her back while dating her. (Also JK written a short story on James meeting Lily's sister and her husband he was very rude to them ruining their relationship.) Why is James considered good again? I mean at least he did defend his wife and son but outside of that he seems to be an jerk. Also it would have better for Snape to join the Death Eater (Being a double agent) AFTER Lily's death not before so we as the audience can sympathize with him more so. Let Lily's and Snape's falling out be because James is still bullying him and Lily not believing that her changed boyfriend is still being an asshole. Boom. Lily can still sacrifice herself for Harry without Snape begging Voldy to spare her. It doesn't ruin the story. Also don't have Lily's smiling during Snape's worst memory! It makes the reader question why he never moved on from her. Those are just an few changes I would personally make to the Harry Potter story anyway.

@astrinymris9953

Жыл бұрын

Good ideas! But the problem is, the only reason Lily had the chance to sacrifice her life for Harry's is that Voldemort promised Severus to spare Lily if he could. That's why he gave her the chance to step aside; anyone else he would have avada kedavra'd without a second thought, like he did James Potter just a few seconds before. To my mind, if Snape had never joined the Death Eaters, the Chosen One wouldn't be Harry Potter, but Draco Malfoy. That's because Lucius Malfoy's wealth and connections made him useful enough that Voldemort would be willing to spare him if he'd step out of the way and allow his son to be slaughtered... and neither Lucius nor Narcissa would be willing to do that. So... Voldemort kills both of them, giving Draco the love protection that makes avada kedavra bounce off him and disintegrates Voldy into his component atoms. Thus Draco Malfoy becomes the Boy-Who-Lived, savior of the Wizarding World. 😉

@Alisha120058

Жыл бұрын

@@astrinymris9953 To fix that problem Voldemort has actually asked Lily and James to join him infact it was one of the times they, "trice betrayed him." Which doesn't make any sense because Lily is muggleborn. My thought is Voldemort could shove Lily to the side/tell her to get away and he'd want her to live because it's a testament to his cruelty as punishment for turning him down he'd make Lily live without James and watch her only son die.

@na1959

10 ай бұрын

​​@@astrinymris9953no..if Snape never joined the death eaters, the chosen one would have been Neville Longbottom. He also matched the requirements of the prophecy, it was only that voldemort chose harry as his equal coz he was a half blood like him. Draco never matched the requirements, voldemort would have no reason to kill him in the first place for all these events to unfold.

@paulyb7267

6 ай бұрын

​@@Alisha120058James was not rude to the Dursleys. Vernon was the one who kept patronizing James and James was only correcting Vernon's attitude.

Krum and hermione is by far the worst, I’m around his age and wouldn’t DREAM of dating a 14 or 15 year old

@isacocca3187

2 күн бұрын

Im incredibly late but: REAL I kinda get that he was supposed to be the _perfect_ boyfriend to make Ron gelous but.. it's giving handcuffs

@olivia-sv3wq

21 сағат бұрын

when i first watched the movie as a kid i could tell he was way older but didn't realise it was THAT bad ugh

good points! i didn't even realize how these rmoances really were like until you made this video. I also thought that harry x ginny was a bit rushed

In real life Lupin would be a dude who abandoned his family because kid has (or even may have) genetic defect. Seriously, that's a good person?

@redscorner4324

8 ай бұрын

But that's also the whole reason he didn't want to be with Tonks in the first place. He knew that his lycanthropy could possibly affect his children, so he didn't want to pursue a relationship or have children. He knew his life was too unstable and that his condition(Rowling made being a werewolf a clear allegory to AIDS) could make life for his loved ones hell. But instead he's guilt tripped into a relationship and probably wasn't expecting to try having kids with Tonks, having sudden panic that he's ruined everything that was good for him probably kicked in and he chose to avoid it rather than talk to her immediately

@joannadziedzinska1337

8 ай бұрын

@@redscorner4324 Well, he's an adult. And as far as I know, Tonks didn't rape him, so what could be unexpected? Lupin didn't know where the babies come from? Also: this relationship went from rejecting to marriage in... one month? It took them 12 x less time than avoiding. They had plenty of time to talk about such basics.

I would have loved for Harry to end up with Cho Chang eventually. I never liked Ginny in the books or the movies the way she was written. Her glow up was sudden and abrupt and out of alignment with how she was barely written in earlier books

@stefan4159

6 ай бұрын

There was nothing sudden about Ginny's development; even when she was shy, you could see glimpses of her true personality. Even Ron comments in book 2 that "it's weird for her" to be this shy.

@Xehanort10

18 күн бұрын

I never bought the whole "She's actually tough and was only shy around Harry." Just feels like she went from shy girl with a crush to suddenly "all the boys fancy Ginny and all the girls want to be her friend."

THANK YOU! I've felt weird about the romances since HS in 2009 when we were all team rowling and saying things bad about the books was a no no. I also always felt like Cho/Harry was the most compelling and was really disappointed when it was clear Ginny was going to be end game for SOME reason. and Remus and Tonks are so OBVIOUSLY both gay, even in subtext that something just felt OFF about them. Like you said, feels like he marries her out of pity (The man doesnt even smile when she shares the news/ring! She's beaming and he's apparently zoning out wishing to die like are you joking???) and then tries to RUN AWAY BEFORE HE GETS STUCK LIKE YIKES. He's happy about being a Dad because, yeah, sure! You can love your kid without... you know... loving your spouse lmao it's all so much....

@foxial5358

14 күн бұрын

To be fair, in the 7th book, Lupin explains the reason why he is worrying so much, not because he doesn´t love Tonks, but because their marriage is frowned upon by the vast majority of the wizarding world outside of the Order and Hogwarts. He explains it has made Tonks an outcast, even her own family doesn´t completely approve. Considering everything he went through, it´s understandable he doesn´t want his wife and child bear the burden of it. And storywise, their marriage is simply there to go against the ideals of blood purity which was the main theme of the books that often ties different characters and their stories together, and their son parallels Harry.

I only like the series till the third book/film. I never did like Ron/Hermione ship due to to the fact that it was toxic and emotionally abusive. He treated her poorly and we’re expected to think it was wonderful that they got together in the end. I never liked Harry with Cho, or Ginny. Both were cringy immature relationships. His anger suddenly popped out of no where in the fourth book, regarding Ginny dating Dean(?) Where was his crush on or feeling a towards Ginny before hand? There was no evidence that in three years that Harry knew the Weasley’s that he had feelings towards her. And we’re supposed to believe that? The most cringy line that I can remember was when his anger was “stirred like an angry lion.” Yeah, sure. 🙄 This is why I ship Luna/Harry. The fan on pairing feels genuine. And I do believe that although Luna was written to be an outcast and largely weird, I think she understood Harry, more than anyone else. Tonks/Lupin was such an odd pairing that I couldn’t ship it. The only pairing that I like is Luna/Harry, even though it’s fanon.

@stefan4159

Жыл бұрын

Here we go again with the same old Ron bashing masquerading as criticism of Ron/Hermione. As though Hermione never treated Ron poorly. And considering Harry and Ginny are confirmed to have stayed together for decades (as they are married), how the hell can you claim that it's just like Harry and Cho's immature relationship? And you are missing so, so many details with Harry and Ginny's relationship, because first of all, Harry's anger about Ginny and Dean did not happen in the fourth book! Harry realized he had feelings for Ginny in the sixth book. This is built up from the fifth book, in which Harry is noticing her a lot more and they become good friends.

@Xehanort10

Жыл бұрын

@@stefan4159 Especially since Hermione sets a flock of birds on Ron at one point out of jealousy that he's dating Lavender and not her.

Bill and Fleur - thumbs up Arthur and Molly - thumbs up James and Lily - totally unconvincing. He is a toerag in OOTP, there is no direct evidence for his alleged change of character, and even in DH, when he is mentioned in Lily's letter, he is merely mentioned, not seen. The JP of DH might as well be a different person from the JP of OOTP. And the sainted Lily was very unforgiving after Snape used the M word. He tried to apologise. Like Hermione, Lily has a vindictive streak. James Potter is like Draco; Lily is like Hermione; Ron is like both Sirius and Lupin. One of the conclusions that I draw from the books is that Harry is a poor judge of character, and too emotional and biased to let go of a grudge. He fails, until it is too late to change anything, to grow out of his animosity to Snape. Of course, Snape was very unfair and immature to hate Harry, who can't help his parentage or looks; but even so, Harry should have grown up a bit more. Maybe he was too traumatised by the Dursleys to be able to.

@paulyb7267

6 ай бұрын

Absolute rubbish. You know, comments like yours make me realize that perhaps it will be much better if there was a prequel centred around James Potter being the main/central character in a story about either the Potter family or the Marauders under James's POV. Maybe that way, it will shut up haters like you for good.

@jamesmc04

6 ай бұрын

@@paulyb7267 Sorry to upset you. I think people are allowed to have differing opinions on things - including stuff like this.

@paulyb7267

6 ай бұрын

@@jamesmc04 You know, your James hate (which Rowling is reported to be unnerved by) is exactly the reason why there should DEFINITELY be a story about the Potter family or Marauders with James as the main/central character under his POV. And I would love to see the look on your face if that happened!

@jamesmc04

6 ай бұрын

@@paulyb7267 My opinion on all of this seems to bother you an awful lot. I'm sorry if that is so. Something as unimportant as a difference of opinion about a fictional character should not hurt people; life is too short for that. You have your opinion - and I have mine. Is there something wrong in that ? Again, I apologise if my expression of opinion hurt you.

@foxial5358

6 ай бұрын

@@jamesmc04 Agreed, some people just take fictional stories/worlds/characters waaaayyyy too seriously. :P

Okay, I think the Snape, James and Lily love triangle makes sense if, and only if, Lily Evans has a sadomasochistic disorder, with a high level of empathy and a rigid code of ethics. None of these three traits are mutually exclusive, but it is a rather dark interpretation. However, it is logical and would explain the love triangle. It would partially explain why Snape thought Lily would be into him if he becomes a death eater and it would explain Lily's attraction to James. Like, every new information J.K Rowling adds point in that direction.

@en4833

8 ай бұрын

The reason Snape thought Lily would be into him is because he's a delusional idiot with an obsession with Lily. The reason Lily was attracted to James is because he was a handsome, talented, good person. It's not that complicated.

As someone who got into the HP fandom. I did like the Cho X Harry ship. Honestly I could never get into Hermione X Ron romance. From the movies I did like the alternative ship of Harry X Hermione. I feel if JK did write a good romance writing I would say opposites attract would be Hermione X Draco. This is why I prefer Rick Riodan Percy Jackson series. At least he makes their romances so good & consistent like Percy X Annabeth. We see them grow from Book 1 to book 10.

@livlmao508

2 жыл бұрын

yeah i agree, i originally liked hermione and harry together but realized the chemistry i thought they had was more projected based on tropes

@potatogaming7044

2 жыл бұрын

Percabeth is amazing

@thebadguychinli4011

2 жыл бұрын

@@livlmao508 not really. The “strong woman always ends up with the weaker man” trope is Hermione and Ron’s relationship. Hermione and Harry actually made sense it wasn’t a trope. Hermione was not popular, an “it girl” or anything of the sort, she was just his friend and Harry possessed more qualities she admired than Ron did. By comparison, in reality, Hermione wouldn’t even consider Ron. She’d get with Harry. As someone who sees herself in female characters like Hermione it’s be refreshing to see a healthy romance for these kinds of women characters and one where the hero wants to get with her and not the weaker, prettier damsel in distress in Ginny.

@thebestofthebestmedia7545

Жыл бұрын

​@@thebadguychinli4011 I woudn't really call Ron the "weaker man"; he had quite a few redeeming qualities. I don't think getting concussed by a life-sized chess piece at 11 for your friend to continue his dangerous adventure to prevent a bad guy from getting his hands on a "brings-people-back-from-the-dead" stone, standing up for your friend's honor (although the slug spell backfired on him because of his broken second-hand wand) when they get bullied at 12, and standing up against a known murderer on a broken leg to defend your friend at 13, and many other acts of bravery would categorize as "weak". This whole spectrum of a strong worthy man and an incompetent weak man is quite toxic in itself in my opinion. PS. Even though Ginny did start off as a sort of damsel-in-distress with the Chamber of Secrets and was outwardly depicted as attractive (or in Harry Potter's case very inwardly), she's in no way a "weak woman"; she's actually pretty badass and fiery in the books.

@mecahhannah

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

I’ve always found Harry Potter to be such a profoundly dumb series. Books and movies.

@lightdarksoul2097

2 ай бұрын

That's most movies for you

Personally I felt they could have just cut the romance with Cho Chang all together and just focused on Harry and Jinny and right from the start Rowling spent books 4 and 5 building up Cho as a potential love only to kinda just have her fade into obscurity as a result the Harry and Cho dinamic ultimately didn't serve much of a purpose outside teen drama

Rick Riordan is much better at it Percabeth is a better ship than hinny And Rick puts them through hell Literally

@bubble4472

Жыл бұрын

Twice

Nah bro, Ginny and Harry was just weird, it's not good. It's not problematic or anything, it's just really rushed, and Ginny frankly has little to no personality. I can only think of like, two or three things about her, and one of those is that's she's in love with Harry.

@stefan4159

Жыл бұрын

It's not rushed, it just could have used a bit more developed. But there were plenty of hints towards the pairing before Harry stumbles across her and Dean in book 6. And the "little to no personality" thing is only from the movies. At least from the books, there are many more things that one can think about Ginny: +++ She's a great cat lover +++ She is friends with Neville and Luna +++ She was banned from Hogsmeade due to leading the DA rebellion in the school +++ Like Neville, she was likely tortured +++ She doesn't get along well with Fleur +++ She looks up to Fred and George This is all surface-level stuff, there is plenty more on her character in the books, both surface-level and in detail. And with respect to "She's in love with Harry" that itself is more nuanced.

@mentallyillfinger

Жыл бұрын

@@stefan4159 I've read the books, and I seriously cannot remember a single one of these things that you have listed, other than perhaps she was friends with Neville and Luna, but that really doesn't give her a personality does it? The only other thing I can remember is that she's good at Jinxes. Frankly, how nuanced is her love for Harry? She was read bedtime stories about the Boy Who Lived and frankly it's very obviously hero-worship, and she didn't really spend any amount of time with him alone as far as I can remember. 90% of the time Ginny and Harry were in the same room, it was with the rest of the Weasley family, so they didn't have many interactions aside from very brief ones. Frankly, I just prefer Harry and Cho.

@datonedumbasian4919

Жыл бұрын

Its only weird because there was no build up, and its the same for ron and hermione except there was build but was done horribly, the funny thing is that there unironically decent build ups for hermione and harry, but it seemed as if some act of god decided that she would like ron early on in the movies despite having good chemistry and weirdly close interaction together, if anything else, jk needed to write ron a new character to love or had him not there at all, hell make ron a girl and have harry fall in love with girl ron to cause some drama with hermione or smth.

The video raises some very good points! Though I did wince a little at the comparison of Lily & Snape's relationship to that between a KKK member & a black woman. It felt a little in poor taste & I would really like to know what sort of analogy you were going for here! Came for LB content, stayed for all of it! Love your channel 💜

@SmartyPantsYT

2 жыл бұрын

Ahh, the KKK and Black woman analogy was a comparison to Snape essentially being electively involved with the Death Eaters, where their whole objective is to cause terror and specifically target muggle borns and muggles in general as they viewed them as lesser beings (akin to racism, like the KKK). So the idea that Snape was "in love" with a muggle born, but still believed in this ideaology is like a KKK member being "in love" with a black woman, despite persecuting them, and inherently viewing them as lesser.

@vilee600

2 жыл бұрын

@@SmartyPantsYT ah~ now in get it

@stefan4159

Жыл бұрын

@@SmartyPantsYT To be honest, while Snape is a shitty person, it is strongly implied that his love for Lily isn't the only reason why he's doing it all for the good side. It started off that way, but -- as evidenced by him rebuking Phineas Nigellus over the use of "Mudblood" -- he has also abandoned the ideology.

@krisynthiagomez5883

Жыл бұрын

Snape didn’t join the Death Eaters because he believed in their ideology, it was because the people on Dumbledore’s side (mainly the Marauders) and other light side members rejected him because he chose to practice Dark Magic, which the light side ironically had no problem using themselves, the Death Eaters not only accepted him but treated him like a friend and showed him respect and appreciation for his skills.

@lahlybird895

8 ай бұрын

​@@krisynthiagomez5883This!

Who's more obsessive the guy who had a crush on his best friend who he actually had a friendship with bed bath & beyond after she rejected him Or the guy who continuously after out for years to fight her constant rejections and bullied her best friend purely because he had a better relationship with her than he did until he finally called best friend to snap so he was able to ruin the friendship then changed his entire personality just to get the girl?

Only wo teangers whose romance was normal write in Harry Potter books is Draco and Pansy and I was wery sad when Rowling write that they don't marry and movies ignore their romance.

most things sucks in harry potter the romance is no exeption.

0:31 I think it's less that he thinks a child can kill him than it is that he fears that he will one day grow up to kill him.

Does anyone ever think about how Cho was so severely derailed in OOTP to the point of it being hilariously transparent that the author REALLY don't want actual idea of Harry ending up with anyone except Ginny

To me I felt like Harry and Ginny could work I like their chemistry. But I feel like JK only did it so Harry would be a “true” member of the Weasley family which is gross to me personally because I already felt like he was borderline adopted by them. They practically raised them so it feels unnecessary and kind of like a discrediting of found family

Ok, I'm five minutes through and I'm interrupting to leave a comment. I'll watch the rest later. I agree on the fact that Rowling isn't very good at writing healthy or nuanced romantic relationship. She's good at writing singular scenes, but not at contesualizing them or at building an arc. BUT... I don't actually agree with your perspective on it either 😅. For example, you seem very much focused on how toxic Hermione is to Ron, when I think Ron was much much worse. Hermione may be vindictive, but Ron is EVEN MORE so. In the 3rd book: yes, she didn't want to aknowledge that her pet was a danger to Ron's pet. Stupidity and stubborness, I guess. It's bad and it shouldn't be underastimated, but she was a child and she had no ill intention. But I remember that Ron was absolutely mean to her even before things happened to Scabbers. He didn't forgave her for the Firebolt incident, for example, even though she may had her good reasons. And he was mean on purpose even after things were resolved. He held a grudge even after Harry, who was the one who was actually wronged, had alredy forgiven her. Regarding book 6: yes, she did the bird thing. It's bad. Still, it was because Ron started to ignore her and be deliberately aggressive to her, all of a sudden and without giving her a single explanation, only to make her pay for having kissed Krum (which he had just discovered from Ginny). Really??? How wrong is that? Things were going smoothly between him and Hermione at the time, but that doesn't mean she couldn't have had a strory with someone else BEFORE, just because at the point they seemed about to get togheter. She isn't your property, Ron, y'know? And I remember that Ron was bad to her in book 4 too, but I read it long ago and I don't remember the details. So... Hermione did bad things, but never without a reason, and she never started a fight. Her bad reactions were mostly responses to very mean actions from Ron. The only time she REALLY went overboard, imo, was with Marietta and the scroll, which had nothing to do with Ron (but which Ron approved). The only reason why I might be ok with them getting togheter is that I hope Ron grew up during the 7th book. His jealousy before was really excessive, "controlling" and out of place. Regarding Hermione's two "physical aggressions": sadly, nothing different from what regularly happens in the magical world. Ron threw himself in "muggle-style fights" more than once with Malfoy and co. Wizards seem to have a different perception of danger and physical pain than us: just think about Fred and George's "jokes". Oh, I also remember that Ron casually threw a knife at George/Fred once, and Fred/George immediately, just as casually, turned it into a paper plane. Hearing you say "a character like Hermione would have never forgiven Ron for leaving, it isn't realistic" is what drove me to write this comment. It's just... not true. Hermione held grudges, but she ALWAYS forgave Ron and Harry in the past. The only time something extreme had to happen before she forgave Ron was in book 6, when Ron was mean to her for days without giving her any explanation just as they were about to get togheter, and then he suddenly started to date another girl. If she could forgive him then, she sure can do it when Ron had actually valid excuses to act the way he did and immediately regretted it. I'm not a Hermione apologist, by the way. I don't dislike her, and I quite enjoy her at times, but she isn't my favorite character, nor one of my favorites. Ron, on the other hand, was my favorite character in book 1 and 2. But early as book 3 I started to be disappointed in him.

@ShadowSonic2

5 ай бұрын

Rowling really derailed Ron's character after Book 3, apparently it was because she found out some people liked him more than Harry or Hermione.

I wasn’t into how Ginny just transformed into the Love Interest of All Time off-page. It never felt earned or interesting as it should have been for the romance of the main character of the biggest series at the time.

I think most of the adults who die in harry potter were past the ability to be redeemed or change, so that's why they die.

@lightdarksoul2097

2 ай бұрын

I think some like Tonks and Lupin died for more the sadness that a kid was orphaned again

Because JK's first marriage failed

@deldarma4509

7 ай бұрын

Humm, her husband was physically and emotionnally abusive and was arrested for domestic violence. It's a bit different than saying her marriage failed

I've seen people ship Hermione with a fricking Gilderoy Lockhart...

@SunGodNika-bi2jr

2 жыл бұрын

😨🤢🤮

I always knew something felt off about all the relationships in this series and you articulated it perfectly

What I think is most messed up about Harry's relationship with Ginny, is that it's kind of Oedipal. Ginny is shy at first, but matures into a smart, fiesty, suffers no fools, and takes no nonsense, glamorous girl with long smooth red hair. Just like none other than one Lily Evans from what we see of her in SS's flashbacks and the memories of assorted others. So yay OK, Harry is dating his mother personified in Ginny Weasley, kinda gross, a bit more something you'd expect from GOT or HOTD, instead of children's/YA literature, but OK, no big deal, it's just one relationship right? RIGHT? No. It is not "just one relationship" my friends. Sadly, it is not: I present to you the equally Oedipal tragedy/monstrosity/abomination that is Ron and Hermione: (Side Note: I'm still on team Harry & Hermione, who you know; Actually speak to each other normally and have a close relationship with each other - AND I don't care if you Ship HH or HR): Hermione is bossy from the get go, opinionated, loud, stubborn, smart, accomplished, has vile, insulting screaming matches with Ron, followed by a refusal to speak to each other for hours/days/weeks. She relentlessly tells him what to do, has limited patience for his rudeness, misguided or plain stupid antics, and obnoxious behaviour. Ron also causes her severe grief and debilitating emotional pain several times. She also has big bushy hair, can be physically intimidating, with eyes that crackle when she's angry and is capable of making taller, stronger and more powerfully magical people quail in her wake. And who does this remind us of? Whose mother also happens to be bossy, opinionated, loud, stubborn, smart, accomplished, has vile, insulting screaming matches with Ron/his siblings/his dad, followed by refusing to speak to each other for hours/days/weeks, tells him what to do and has limited patience for his rudeness, his antics and his obnoxious behaviour. Which other woman is caused severe grief, pain and stress by the actions of Ron (along with his dad and siblings)? Who else also has big bushy hair, can be physically intimidating, with eyes that crackle when she's angry, and is capable of making taller, stronger and more powerfully magical people quail in her wake. Which two witches also happened to be among the last to duel Bellatrix Lestrange? Don't you think it's a little bit strange that a whiney manboy who complains about his mother often and loudly for 👀 *checks notes* asking him to: "tidy the house/his bedroom", "not sneak out with a flying car", "not throw knives at his siblings", "not behave dangerously /put himself or others at risk", etc... Would go on to marry a woman who is not a carbon copy of her, but one whom the bickering and sulking relationship is a disturbing echo of the relationship with his mother. So yeah, To summarise. In conclusion, TLDR: Both Ron and Harry have serious mummy issues. Ewww.

If JK Rowling was the writer of Superman then Lois Lane would endup dating Jimmy Olsen.

@thebadguychinli4011

2 жыл бұрын

She’d make Lois a secret Kryptonian that has a secret crush on Catwoman…

I absolutely love your suggested rewrite of Harry and Ginny's relationship. You're exactly right - it needed a lot more time to bake in the oven. The way it's presented, it just happens way too fast for readers to really care about it, even though sharp readers were able to guess several books beforehand that they'd end up together.

I don't like Harry and Ginny coming together because _Ginny is J.K. Rowling's self insert_ - look at her. Same hair (not color), same complexion, ... it is the author getting her own main character in the end. I'd prefer Harry be with Luna.

@Markus2E5I6

6 ай бұрын

Same complexion...Luna is also white.

@stefan4159

6 ай бұрын

Huh? _Hermione_ is Rowling's self-insert, not Ginny. On numerous occasions Rowling has compared her younger self with Hermione.

@foxial5358

6 ай бұрын

Actually, it is Hermione who is JKR´s self-insert, an idealized version of her. If you read the books as an adult, it´s much easier to notice so many moments where the author is talking through Hermione´s character. Ron is JK´s childhood friend (the one JK secrectly wanted to be with) and she has said that the reason why Hermione and Ron ended up together was because it was simply just wish-fulfillment for her.

I’ve always disliked James and Lily too, just looking at the books/movies. I can excuse Ron and Hermione because of the pressure that they were consistently under, but what was James’s excuse?

Harry should have named his son Dobby Alistor Potter.

@Nortarachanges

5 ай бұрын

I’d have made Dobby the middle name, but this! Also Ginny doesn’t get name input? And no Hagrid?

The first part of Lily x James is amazing! But where the hell is the rest of it?! We needed to see James stop, for Lily at first then to become a better person

I loved the Harry Potter book but u know not everything is perfect. And the romance part is what I didn't like .

Harry Potter‘s bad romance kind of reminds me Naruto Bad romance.

@varshini6904

5 ай бұрын

Definitely

@JuanPerez-bc5kx

10 күн бұрын

x3 😂

Rowling is a divorced woman, I think it bleeds through that she writes every couple in the most toxic, bitter, bickering way possible. It's not healthy and it is weird how the "see they do love each other" bits are just when the character is showing JEALOUSY and PASSIVE AGGRESSION... like that's the sign that you're in love. It's crazy.

it wasn't the writing of the books ... it was the writing, directing, and puke inducing acting from the movies that was horrible.

Agreed that Cho and Harry were the best couple, their romance and how it ended was the most realistic and the best written out of them all.

only thing which sucked was harry and ginny, it was very rushed out of the blue in the books. Ron and Hermione made perfect sense

@stefan4159

Жыл бұрын

No, there were plenty of hints for Harry/Ginny, particularly in book 5 when he notices her a lot more and they become good friends.

Slow burn friends to lover romance has sooo much potential and JK botched it up when it came to Ron and Hermione

I never understood how Harry and Ginny fell in love. It just seemed so sudden. The only thing that suggested that they might end up together was when Ginny looked at Harry when she first met him and seemed kinda shy around him. I also don't know what Ron and Hermione saw in each other. They were best friends, and then suddenly she got mad at him when he didn't consider her for the ball...? I remember so little about their relationships in the books, but maybe that was because there was hardly anything to read about their relationships to begin with...

I feel like romance in the books was another one of J.K's signature "it would be cool if..." moments. Most problems stem from J.K implementing something because in the confines of the individual book it would be cool but then forgets she needs to expand on it, another example is time travel. I think someone needs to rewrite harry potter with an idea of the plot as the idea of harry potter is good the execution is just kinda bad.

okay but fb has solid ships - especially tina and newt they are the absolute best

Here’s the only issue with pushing Hinny up a book. She’s a year younger than him, so we’re now talking about a 13 year old Ginny dating Michael Corner.

@stefan4159

6 ай бұрын

And? Harry was into Cho when he was 13.

@broadwaybaby8914

6 ай бұрын

@@stefan4159 Having a crush and being in a relationship are completely different.

@stefan4159

6 ай бұрын

@@broadwaybaby8914 and is it that unrealistic for 13 year olds to begin to explore dating?

Yes, but the ships you mentioned are either the ones we know least about, or the ones that are generally kinda disliked.. ..

Can we talk about how the Bill and Fleur age gap is 6 YEARS?!

@heatherofhyrule9050

7 ай бұрын

That always bothered me, i feel like if she was Tonk’s age it could have been okay (like 24 and 29) but she’s barely out of high school dating a full adult

@Markus2E5I6

6 ай бұрын

6 years isn't that much? As long as she ain't a minor, it's fine.

@kameronbailey6939

4 ай бұрын

😱Oh my God, this fully grown man and this fully grown woman are 6 years apart. How horrible.😱

@lightdarksoul2097

2 ай бұрын

Annnd?

I hate most of the romances. But the thing that annoys me most is that when they made the 6th film. They put the romances front and centre over the Tom Riddle memories. As if that wasn't the best part of the book.

I really James x Lily relationship but it could have been explained better how James changed

It's nice to know that there are still people who will openly admit that they like harry potter when others are more inclined to take down any videos they might have made regardless of the people who enjoy them with others praising the decision as the right thing to do. Which would make ANYONE making ANY harry potter material in the wrong, which would make anyone who made anything inspired by harry potter in the wrong.

@blackharmonics4518

2 жыл бұрын

Well, the books are good. The wizard world is enjoyable. Good worldbuilding. The story is well written (but has some flaws or potential to do better at some points, but well, it's youth literature). Most characters are decent. (And other than the video maker, I like Snape as a villain.) JK Rowling may not be the best person on earth, but her creation is good. Her being transphobic / homophobic (which I DO NOT support) doesn't change the fact, that her books (and later the movies) are good. Edit: I wish that there were more signs of diversity, like a queer relationship or something like that - or even decent hetero ones -, but romance isn't the main genre. It's about adventure and magic. But on the other side... We have fanfictions to fix all flaws. ;) There are some pretty good fanfics out there.

I’d personally love to have the fix for James and Lily be, actually have Snape be right and Snape is the only one unwilling to protect Harry’s idealized view of his late parents. James and Lily both are awful people and the only good moment they had was saving their son, at the moment Voldemort showed up she wasn’t the bully she was most of her life, in that moment she was a caring mother. Maybe just maybe if she survived, she’d change.

Not sure if romance, but I personally think JK wrote a beautiful love story for Albus Severus and Scorpius at the Cursed Child

@isacocca3187

2 күн бұрын

Sometimes she ends up writing good queer romance without even realizing it lmao

Your rewrite of Harry and Ginny’s romance is great

This was fantastic! I've decided to reread the series over the next few months (I'm currently 1/4 way through "Philosopher's Stone" atm), so now I'll be extra scrutinous of the so-called "romantic" aspects of the story. Since it's all a bit foggy in my mind, I now look forward to picking things apart even more... Watch this space, as I'm positive I'll be back! Your pithy insights will definitely linger in my consciousness as I dive back in to the series, so thanks again! Have a good one! ✌️

The most reasonable explanation of Harry x Ginny I've seen is that Ginny's family on her mom's side has a secret long-lasting love potion, and Ginny got the recipe right before book 6.

Star wars with sucky light sabers

Well, I really agree with almost all said in the video. JKR is bad at writing deep emotions. Probably, she didn't consider it necessary. I personally believe that she originally didn't intend to make the book a YA - just to keep it a fairy-tale. When she actually committed to writing YA stuff - in books 6 and 7 - she was already too busy with patching all the plot holes to add more romance. Again, everyone who wants to write a children's book and then "grow it up", loses their touch with the inner reality of the plot. If, say, she had stopped after book 4, having Voldemort die somehow, the books would have been still in the realm of "children's literature", and no one would have cared about any romance. Or she should have written a YA book (or even an adult one) with realistic characters and well-written romance. Another problem is that it's too comedic. You always have something so ridiculous that you can't take it all seriously. It's not impossible to write a comdey with emotional depth, but it takes a genius, so a usual writer shoud avoid such experiments. Overall, despite the great cultural impact the books had, they are not without flaws, which must be considered.

Do you think that the folowing posible ships could potentialy work? Here is my list: - Harry + Hermione - Ron + Luna - Draco + Ginnie Also it would have been even better if some characters were in different houses, like for example: - Harry Potter = Slytheryn - Hermione Gringe = Ravenclaw - Ron Weasley = Hufflepuff - Ginnie Weasley = Slytheryn And if Harry's cousin could also be put in Hogwards, specificaly in Griffindor, then you could have the iconic four friends group, who even thou are in different houses are very close nontheless.

I agree. Even when I liked Harry Potter, I thought the romance was the weakest part. None of it makes any sense, except Cho and Harry I do think you may have given Harrry x Ginny too much credit though. Yeah they're worse in the films, bur they're pretty cringe in the books too

You forgot nagini and voldemort

Bill and Fleur were very wholesome, the best couple actually but JK and every female character loathed and crapped on Fleur, I felt disgusted by the blatant misogyny at times but they were also pure perfection as a couple. Hermione and Ron had sweet moments in the book just chaotic due to their hormones and stubbornness, they weren't an epic love but they're a fun read by the end. Harry and Ginny, I can't get behind. They are cute at times but we spend about THREE books on Harry thinking Cho was hot, one failed date and then gets together with Ginny and now they're in love? We get told they got close in the summer but we don't see it

To your point in the end of the video, Ginny wasn’t possessed by Voldemort she was Imperiused and this is supported by the fact she doesn’t remember anything. In book 5 when Voldemort possesses Harry while fighting Dumbledore, Harry is still very aware of what’s going on and can still feel emotions (which drives Voldemort out). When Harry Imperiused the goblin at Gringotts he was groggy after the spell is lifted and didn’t remember anything or how he got down in the tunnel with Harry, Ron and Hermione. Ginny doesn’t remember when she was killing roosters and writing on walls with blood which means she was put under an Imperius spell. She was never possessed so this “bond” she shared with Harry really doesn’t exist because she was never possessed and Harry only was seeing into Voldemort’s mind due to being a Horcrux. Now on to my point lol Hermione should’ve been absolutely disgusted by Ron’s actions in book 6 but she becomes depressed over him, it was so disappointing. Also Hermione getting with Ron just supports the fictional trope that strong women characters can’t be with strong male characters. We see it in Wonder Woman, for example, and Xena the princess warrior, and any series where there’s a strong woman. Hell even Bellatrix in this series has a weaker husband. Even Molly, who we find out is strong enough to kill Bellatrix, for most of the series is just cooking and being a mom. Strong women always gets paired with a weaker man because they’re “strong enough” to deal with anything and don’t need protection. SMH. Only Tonks gets with someone equally yoked with her in Lupin and that wasn’t really expanded upon. Fleur, for as strong and capable as she was in book 4, becomes a housewife and doesn’t even participate in the last battle despite being attacked by Voldemort-Imperiused Viktor Krum in the Triwizard Tournament maze. It literally tells young girls that if you have a strong personality and/or are physically superior, you won’t get the hero that’s your equal, you’ll settle for the weaker sidekick because they need love too. Nice. The only strong female characters we really see outside Hermione and McGonagall are Slytherins and/or portrayed as evil. Umbridge was a strong female character. She was successful, powerful and ruthless yet she had no husband because…she’s ugly? Harry does get the “the girl” in Ginny because Ginny is pretty and popular, so Harry Potter does support that trope the hero always gets the girl in the end. He and Ginny have zero chemistry or real intimidate time together but he all of a sudden loves her after spending two months at her house where he was hardly around her if they weren’t playing Quidditch? Hermione was not the popular girl. She was actually teased a lot for her appearance and intelligence. She wasn’t “the girl”. Ginny was. Hermione was just the main female character.

@stefan4159

Жыл бұрын

> To your point in the end of the video, Ginny wasn’t possessed by Voldemort she was Imperiused and this is supported by the fact she doesn’t remember anything. Ginny was possessed by Voldemort. This is plainly made clear in the books. Dumbledore himself says quite the opposite in HBP, chapter 23: "There could be no doubt that Riddle really wanted that diary read, wanted the piece of his soul to inhabit or _possess_ somebody else, so that Slytherin’s monster would be unleashed again" (and of course, inhabit is a synonym of possess). He clearly uses the word "possess" to reference what happened in Harry's second year. And Ginny's possession was clearly a result of Horcrux magic. So what Dumbledore says in HBP is perfectly in line with what Ginny clearly says in OotP: that she was indeed possessed by Tom Riddle through his diary. And not once did Dumbledore ever dispute that fact -- which is what it's meant to be taken as, not "well ackchuallyed". > Now on to my point lol Hermione should’ve been absolutely disgusted by Ron’s actions in book 6 but she becomes depressed over him, it was so disappointing. What actions? Ron was literally _physically attacked_ because Hermione couldn't handle the fact that someone else was interested in him -- and actually bothered to show it, instead of giving him stony silences, waspish comments, looks of disdain and expecting him to read her mind -- and that he dared to reciprocate that interest by Lavender. If anything, it should be _Ron_ being "absolutely disgusted" by _her_ actions. > Also Hermione getting with Ron just supports the fictional trope that strong women characters can’t be with strong male characters. Right. Of course you believe that Ron isn't a "strong male character". Despite him having ample character development, despite being a rightful member of the Trio. DESPITE HIM LITERALLY STANDING UP ON A BROKEN LEG TO PROTECT HIS FRIENDS FROM A MASS MURDERER. If the Locket knew about fictional tropes and literature, that's literally what it would be saying. That's not something you want, is it? > It literally tells young girls that if you have a strong personality and/or are physically superior, you won’t get the hero that’s your equal, you’ll settle for the weaker sidekick because they need love too. Nice. Get this through your skull: Ron is Hermione's equal. And also, you know why Hermione didn't get Harry? Partly because that was his choice as well! He doesn't have to get with the main female character just because! Not to mention that Hermione is literally a sidekick as well! The series is not constructed around "Harry and Hermione, and goofball bumbling Ron", it is constructed around "Harry Potter and his two equally reliable friends". And by the way, part of why Harry doesn't end up with Harry is partly also to do with the fact that Harry himself is not attracted to Hermione's so-called "strong personality", considering he never wants to be around Hermione whenever she is bossing him around, a _key aspect of her personality_ . Ron, on the other hand, loves her argumentative nature, and consistently goes toe-to-toe with her. > The only strong female characters we really see outside Hermione and McGonagall are Slytherins and/or portrayed as evil. Right, because somehow Ginny and Luna aren't strong female characters. And it's frankly offensive that you consider "housewives" like Fleur and Molly to not be worthy of the label "strong female character". > Harry does get the “the girl” in Ginny because Ginny is pretty and popular, so Harry Potter does support that trope the hero always gets the girl in the end. No. No, no, no. You are confusing "Hero gets the girl" with "first girl wins". Because Ginny was the first girl that Harry met on his entrance to the Wizarding World. Meanwhile, at least as a literary trope, "hero gets the girl" refers to the main female character. Ginny may be more "the girl" _inside the Wizarding World_ , but in terms of literary narrative, it would refer to Hermione. Because she is the "strong female character" _we_ get to know the most about. > He and Ginny have zero chemistry or real intimidate time together but he all of a sudden loves her after spending two months at her house where he was hardly around her if they weren’t playing Quidditch? Zero chemistry, only in the movies. In the books they have plenty of fun and intimate moments together. And he starts loving her after they become good friends and he starts noticing her a lot more in the fifth book. Not to mention that even in the two months he was interacting with her plenty aside from Quidditch. > Hermione was not the popular girl. She was actually teased a lot for her appearance and intelligence. Hermione wasn't popular? She literally goes to the Yule Ball with an international superstar, she is a part of the "Golden Trio", she is talked about plenty in other houses, she is an integral part of the "Slug Club", she is able to get attention in stereotypical jock guys like Cormac McLaggen. All you've been doing in your comment is shoving female characters (and male characters, considering how you spit on Ron) into pre-packaged stereotypical boxes. The characters are more complex than you give them credit for.

Yep, agree with all points. Also, great Snape rant.

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Well she certainly wasn't planning too far ahead when she was writing this.

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She made it up as she went along then after the fact claimed it was all planned to seem like a better writer than she was.

Huh, interesting and valid points.

You wanna know the sad thing is? She actually wrote a basis for a romance. A good friendship can be a great relationship, it works in real life. Like Hermione and Victor Krum. They remained good friends and if she wrote it that they ended up together it would be actually really nice. People often say Harry and Hermione should’ve ended up instead. I can see it being an actually nice thing, if they actually cared for each other beyond the basis of friendship. There’s ships I sort of agree with like Rarry and Lunny, and Dean and Seamus. Their ships are based in their friendship to one another and often almost undying loyalty and trust. Sure Ron and Harry had their fights, but I can’t remember an instance that Ron and Harry actually physically fought. Or have had a real friendship altering fight that wasn’t because of an external force.

Ginny and harry had a age difference of 1year11days

Damn I'd never really considered these things that deeply. All of them were more surface level for me. Really is some shitty character logic/arc writing....