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@Dreamartist47

Жыл бұрын

Hi

@yourlol_1164

Жыл бұрын

Cool

@xeno2873

Жыл бұрын

Yo

@konoheisenbergda

Жыл бұрын

Furry?

@kieranstark7213

Жыл бұрын

*Third* The only people who would defend Velma/Mindy Kailing are the people who think when a girl loves a guy who only sees her as a friend, he only acts like a jerk because he secretly loves her. I’m sorry, who’s the jerk then? m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/m2GZucqtg72Yn7w.html

What I hate about these "mature" adult shows is that they usually pointlessly portray the characters as jerks. Like adults can't relate to people who are kind to each other or anything 😒

@MannytheHeadlessMemeHorse

Жыл бұрын

@secretudontknow 😒

@blobbertmcblob4888

Жыл бұрын

THESE kinds of people can't. These rich bitches who've never been around anyone but nasty, bitter, vulgar people.

@MannytheHeadlessMemeHorse

Жыл бұрын

@Correctical 😒😒

@Stonex180

Жыл бұрын

I heard that was the point for Velma. You’re supposed to hate the characters and watch their character development.

@elvingearmasterirma7241

Жыл бұрын

@@Stonex180 It feels less like the characters are being mean and the writers being mean to the viewer via the characters.

The biggest issue I have about Velma is that she literally is just Mindy Kaling, she is literally just self-inserting herself to be as rude and cynical as possible

@viruscure4677

Жыл бұрын

@The Owl can you stop spamming this shit??....

@codycrawford7842

Жыл бұрын

@theowldidthat The bots are evolving.

@dsamuel2116

Жыл бұрын

@@codycrawford7842 they gained an extra brain cell

@planescaped

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if I buy the self-insert theory. As these hateful, smug, hypocritical and amoral characters are a trend in Hollywood in general. I think it's writers just trying to write how they think young people are these days. All these portrayals of maladjusted and socially defective cretins and weirdos not as flawed characters who need redemption, but good guys and heroes, says a lot though... It's not subverting expectations either, it's just bizarre character writing.

@atomiccrouton

Жыл бұрын

yeah it comes across as poorly constructed fan fiction

They didn't race swap Shaggy, they turned him into an entirely different character

@Mick_92

Жыл бұрын

Right? Like, I can still imagine the tattooed blonde hipster at 5:14 sounding and acting like a Shaggy. But not this character. I actually guffawed when I first saw him because of how un-shaggylike the design is. It's like a Ship of Theseus of a character. If you replace everything about a character's personality AND looks, and only keep its name (and green shirt and brown pants, because that's all what matters when it comes to Shaggy I guess?) can it still be called the same character?

@ObieDobieZoomer

Жыл бұрын

Shaggy isn't in the show. there is only Norville, and we all hate him.

@sunnythehedgehog5026

Жыл бұрын

​@@ObieDobieZoomer I know this sounds like i am heartless for saying this but I hope that this entire velma universe die painfully.

@DeviemTwen

Жыл бұрын

I can see why Shaggy doesn’t like being called “Norville” now.

@NopeihaveNoName

Жыл бұрын

@goofyahh2011 I think they just meant literally everything that made Shaggy, well, Shaggy has been removed, including his name. So now it's just Norville, not even them race-swapping Shaggy, y'know?

Not only does Shaggy not act like himself, he doesn't even LOOK like himself. And i'm not talking about the skin color here. He looks like a goddamn Total Drama Island OC

@shwahgamer

Жыл бұрын

That's cause it's not Shaggy. They just replaced his character entirely.

@fudgeoffrin

Жыл бұрын

​@@shwahgameryes

@stevenquartzcutiepiedemayo8272

Жыл бұрын

Hey that's an insult to TDI

@rustythefoxcoon5143

11 ай бұрын

Huh, I wasn’t the only one thinking it looked like tdi.

@willothewisps476

7 ай бұрын

I didn’t even think that, but now that I’m looking at this version of Shaggy? You’re right.

They did Fred so dirty, and it hurts my soul. Not because of toxic masculinity, but because he was one of the few characters who accurately represented jocks in media. Jocks and gym bros are not _bad._ I was actually surprised when I first started working out at the amount of people willing to give me a hand, and who reassured me that I needn't be ashamed of not being able to lift a lot of weight. For whatever reason, however, Hollywood _hates_ them. Jocks always get portrayed as dumb or mean, when in reality most of them are the exact opposite. Fred was the exception to this rule, and he got absolutely butchered. The creators didn't do anything "subversive" by making him an idiot, because that's the standard in this industry.

@micahcook2408

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think Hollywood necessarily hates jocks, I mean look at the type of men who are at the healm of beauty in media and Hollywood: muscular, masculine, stereotypically white. I mean look at Kumail Nanjiani. People became OBSESSED with his transformation, even people in the industry. Entertainment usually loves good looking and physically fit people. I think the issue is lazy writing and using tropes and cliches to quickly get the story done for submission and broadcast. It’s easier to create simple characters and simple tropes for execs to understand in a pitch than to create something complex and try to pitch it because it’s gonna take time for that evolution to showcase… and even then, some writing teams just don’t develop their characters in fear of the audience and studio cancelling the project or being upset (I’m looking at you Shameless). But that’s just my opinion and experience being someone who has gone to school for acting: appearance and “type” is DEFINITELY something a part of casting, even in animated works.

@apll9146

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, Fred was such a loveable character. I always loved him because of how much of a strong leader he was to the Mystery Inc. gang. He was a handsome jock who happened to found passion in solving mysteries in this messy group of other meddling kids. He was sometimes cocky because of his looks but it never was malicious or insecure (like Velma is obsessed with portraying him as). They did nothing new with his character, they just gave us a used wet wipe of a character. The OG Fred always appeared as this guy who doesn't look over any of his group's skills but takes the leadership role because he is the most charismatic and decisive... So what they've done to him in this shit show is really disappointing. "Jocks" being portrayed as dense and 'useless' outside of working out is really boring now.

@ci7210

Жыл бұрын

@@micahcook2408 like Marvel's iconic heroes like Captain America and Thor.

@TheDawnofVanlife

Жыл бұрын

I think there are plenty of good tv/film jocks and in recent years the jock with a heart of gold has become more present. They are usually portrayed as stupid, which is worse as it cultivated the idea sports has to be your whole personality and you can’t love sports and, I don’t know, read. Like a TV/Film jock would never read a book…you are not allowed sports AND intelligence, you get one. But in reality a high school jock clique environment is kinda different from adults at the gym. I have always been the worse at the gym, but I keep showing up and trying to improve and have never been shamed or laughed at either. But I think it’s fair to acknowledge a high school insulated peer group based on being on or associated with a school sports team is a bit different from casually going to a gym with other people at the gym outside of this insulated social system. There’s no status hooked to lifting the most weight in a random gym, there’s a lot of status linked to being the high school superstar who won the big game. And yes that could easily give a teenage boy a HUGE sense of feeling like the most important person in the universe and the universe is just his high school. The problem is Hollywood, at times, has been bad at finding the nuance and humanity within that guy who tends to sit in that prime spot. But I think it’s a lot to say Hollywood fully hates jocks when it is still seen as the desirable thing to be, we just get a lot of the ‘jock needs to learn a lesson’ stories. Like High School musical exist. Even the kinda cliquey sports guys in that film are mostly good guys, just too caught up in their identity as the group that likes Basketball and only likes Basketball. And I could think of more examples with time to think about it.

@thunderclanliveson1

Жыл бұрын

I loved my himbo fred but this...this isn't my himbo fred, this is just awful Fred.

"I identify so much as her character." Proceeds to erase who Velma is as a character to self insert herself.

@flamestoyershadowkill6400

Жыл бұрын

like a fanfic writer.

@eaglefan2569

Жыл бұрын

@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 Correction, like a really NEW fanfic writer who hasn't gotten called out for it yet

@StanleyNumber427

Жыл бұрын

@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 That is an insult to fanfic writers. At least fanfic writers respect or care about the source material, instead of trashing it like Mindy did.

@alphachurch01

Жыл бұрын

It came off more she wants everyone to love her like they do the OG Velma and no one does

@nathankeown3531

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was odd that she says as instead of with

My headcannon: Velma’s mom left her because she thinks her daughter is a disappointment

@mannysmyname

Жыл бұрын

That is legit what happened - or is it? I dunno, I tuned out after episode 3

@sombreroguy7688

Жыл бұрын

@@mannysmyname I tuned out after the first episode, so props to you for making it that far

@daniapfel9673

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@demonking3673

Жыл бұрын

@@sombreroguy7688 I tuned out 5 minutes in the first episode.

@sunnythehedgehog5026

Жыл бұрын

Correction I would have just ran away and never come back if I had her for my daughter and I will have changed my name and start over again with a new family.

HBO: “Right-wing trolls! All the criticism is from right-wing trolls!” Liberals: “We hate it, too.” Mindy Kaling: “Yeah…but you’re white, straight, *male* liberals.” POC, Women, LGBT People: “Hate it.” WB: “Uh-oh.”

@mtaur4113

Жыл бұрын

The show honestly reads like an attempted right-wing parody of wokeism, which explains why it's so senseless and mean and relentlessly unfunny.

@gabrielsalvemini7489

11 ай бұрын

liberals of the right and left are downright embarrassing. the West has really gone mad.

@alexgomez6723

11 ай бұрын

I can’t help but think this was a subtle parody of what some might consider “woke” shows. It’s often accused of putting white men in a bad light, but frankly, no man of any color is really portrayed all that positively in this series. Sometimes I feel like I’m only convincing myself it’s satire or parody because I didn’t think anyone could lack this much self awareness. Imagine fucking up so bad you united the entire political spectrum and fundamental ideological opponents on a common cause.

@rustythefoxcoon5143

11 ай бұрын

This basically was nail on the head. Take the “oppression ladder” - that thing that determines how oppressed you are - turn that upside down. That’s who the woke crowd try to benefit. Thus those are the ones to be swapped to just for a lazy cash grab. It’s not the blind deaf elder trans black lady man that’s the problem - even if kinda weird to me and many others, it’s the sick in the head politicians and Hollywood making our media swapping races and genders. It’s aggravating, but remember to direct it where it belongs - those using the different types of people as shields, advertising, and voting machines.

@TheAdventuresOfJimiJaden

9 ай бұрын

Haha, I’ll say the hate for this show is bringing us together and setting our differences aside. There’s something everybody can agree on

The worst part about the Velma/Daphnie kiss was that it was used to stop a panic attack. That's a really bad thing to do.

@eliezra83771

Жыл бұрын

Why is it bad, I have anxiety disorders and hugs from people who love me help a lot you know

@LocalShortie

Жыл бұрын

@@eliezra83771 well she wasnt hugged, she was kissed, completely different. also plenty of people with anxiety disorders (like myself) hate being touched when having an attack and would make things worse during the attack. It can be a claustrophobic feeling. It varies from person to person. You (not /you/ you, but the general "you") also just shouldn't kiss people when it's not the time or place.

@HarmonyOfTheVoice

Жыл бұрын

@@eliezra83771 i dont think hugs equal sexually charged kisses

@joelle4226

Жыл бұрын

@@eliezra83771do they hug you without warning

@ally939

Жыл бұрын

Wait, really? That’s messed up

For a writer that is against stereotypes, Mindy sure did make every character in this show a living stereotype.

@as3957

Жыл бұрын

She isn't one of the writers.

@bjcantrell1990

Жыл бұрын

Part and parcel for the pc crowd nowadays.

@keontaewilliams5197

Жыл бұрын

How tho? Most of the characters aren’t really stereotypes

@thiccartorius2132

Жыл бұрын

@@keontaewilliams5197 I mean, just Velma by herself proves my point lol.

@falconeshield

Жыл бұрын

@@as3957 Doesn't matter she paid for this sh*t to be real

What's weird about Mindy's quote is that she says she relates to her character, but then *completely* reworks her whole personality from being likeable to being detestable. So either she doesn't actually identify with her character originally and is just virtue signalling, or she is atrocious at capturing the personality of the original Velma. Neither option is good.

@mrrunodan8119

Жыл бұрын

Or maybe she is jealous of her

@velaethia6

11 ай бұрын

Velma in this isn't Velma. It's a mindy self insert and makes me never want to meet her.

@Siathuan

3 ай бұрын

Possibly, she depicted what she saw as the OG Velma. Which is possibly the worst, since that means she's completely unhinged.

Mindy Kaling went on record on the Conan show admitting to sexual harassment and then extorting her subordinates to keep it secret; "Tell anyone and you're fired." And she wasn't even apologetic about it, either.

@collinkeyser6827

Жыл бұрын

What's Worse Is The Audience Was 😃 About It.

@veroxid

Жыл бұрын

@@collinkeyser6827 Show's like Conan literally have a "Laugh" light.

@redpanda6497

Жыл бұрын

@@collinkeyser6827 That's so messed up. Like, really no one questioned anything she said?

@cameronbosch1213

Жыл бұрын

That's blackmail and sexual harassment. She could be charged for that! She should.

@thefirstofthelastones8952

Жыл бұрын

So basically she just admitted she committed a felony on live television yet people were okay with it?

Dear Scrappy Doo, we apologize for all the horrible things we’ve said about you. You are no longer the worst thing to happen to the Scooby Doo franchise. This show is proof of that. Signed all of us.

@LolManI-75

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget me! I love *Scrappy Doo* as much as *you* ! Get it, because they rhyme? Well this became awkward real quick.

@klltx2001

Жыл бұрын

Hell, we need to give Be Cool Scooby Doo an apology too! I heard that despite the art style it's better than it looks.

@NFITC1

Жыл бұрын

What a terrible revelation you just dropped on us. Completely true and I hate it.

@Oscar97o

Жыл бұрын

And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling sons of bitches!

@thecatatonicz6

Жыл бұрын

Yh tbh, the fortnite 9yr old is no longer the worst……. That’s not good……..

One positive about Velma: It might actually create world peace by uniting literally everybody in hating it.

@anueutsuho7425

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I have seen a grand total of 0 people like this. People legit liked Big Mouth. And I assumed the people who liked that one would like this too. But from what I can tell I was wrong.

@littlegreen4129

Жыл бұрын

Game of Thrones tried and failed at that, so i dont see why Velma should be able to :/ (And yes, im still salty after 4 years)

@Klufenza

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure Putin likes Velma. He's that bad

@deannas2778

Жыл бұрын

@@littlegreen4129 this show has done the impossible...beating game of thrones in almost 100 percent hatred.

@BenjaMan64

Жыл бұрын

Most importantly, it has made people appreciate the real Scooby-Doo gang and franchise more.

Why did they make Velma so obnoxiously stupid and close-minded if Mindy said "she's the woman that solves all the mysteries and never gets credit for it" ??? Like?? She was 100% sure that Fred was the killer because he's a rich white guy. Wow, what a detective.

Gotta love how Mindy Kaling identified with Velma so much that she completely changed her character and personality

Mindy grew up with rich parents, never worked a day job, and was handed a Hollywood job through her parents contacts and influence. So when she wrote Fred as a spoiled rich kid with no soul, she’s really writing herself. This is what we in the business call “projection” and “classic Freudian slip”

@fizzy_minx8372

Жыл бұрын

Nice plagiarism idiot. If you're gonna shamelessly copy someone else 's statement and pretend it was your own words at least try and make it differ a little 💀

@CubularCreeper

Жыл бұрын

But it's different because she's not a "white girl with too much money"

@mynameismina9

Жыл бұрын

I guess you could say its a Fredian slip...

@jaimexdxd

Жыл бұрын

Maybe hot take, Ryan and her? Worst part of the office

@julisa3100

Жыл бұрын

So I’m not starfire all over again

My favorite part is how Mindy said she loved Velma yet decided to write her as the most insufferable, an unlikable character in history! She made velma cynical, mean, judgemental, and racist Like how can you say you love a character for their personality then completely butcher them by making them the opposite of their original personality

@SunsetEnvy

Жыл бұрын

I think she likes her design more than her character

@brahmas1685

Жыл бұрын

@@SunsetEnvy As long as the design is changed to Indian like her.

@thyrussendria8198

Жыл бұрын

She loves Velma, she wants to be her, smart, popular and all that, however here it is shown that she doesn't realize WHY Velma has all that what Mindy wants.

@TrintellixLeGaulois

Жыл бұрын

Mindy Kaling is a narcissist, every Indian woman character she plays is a bitter, cynical self-insert.

@senatorarmstrong4662

Жыл бұрын

@@TrintellixLeGauloisso she's not really acting she's just being herself. Yikes.

Fred's character design actually looks nice. So sad what they did to him. Turning him into a useless, man baby.

@graylykan2739

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Look how they massacred my boy. They massacred ALL of the Mystery Inc.

@merafirewing6591

Жыл бұрын

​@@graylykan2739 and also the Mystery Machine.

@chazztreat8317

Жыл бұрын

@@merafirewing6591 and scooby doo? Where are you?

@blueflare3848

Жыл бұрын

If the characters were completely original and weren't associated with a pre-existing franchise, I don't think I would mind any of the character designs as much. They don't inherently look bad on their own. They're bad because of the fact they don't look or act like the characters they're supposed to be.

@elliottpak

Жыл бұрын

Gigi’s character design also looks very well done imo. Bonus points for being one of the very few characters who is a decent person.

The thing that frustrates me the most about this is that turning the scooby franchise into a more adult show isn’t a bad idea and it’d be really easy to do. All that would need to be done is to have more mature themes like death, cursing and maybe more violence. Instead Velma choose to make their characters unbearable and overly sexual (even though they’re all still teenagers). If you want to watch a good adult scooby show just watch the supernatural and scooby crossover

@seasnaill2589

Жыл бұрын

I forgot that existed. I've never seen it, the only thing I've seen is a clip of Daphne terrified yelling 'AM I GOING TO HELL!?'

@flowerzforsaturn

Жыл бұрын

@@seasnaill2589 there was another scene where Fred got hurt and started bleeding causing him to freak out because he never saw blood before. Things like that show that scooby can have a more mature setting and raise the stakes without having to drastically change their personalities and go the cheap route with raunchy humor.

@KyleEvra

Жыл бұрын

Be mature without being Woke. I dare them to.

@lyndsaybrown8471

5 ай бұрын

Or have the gang be older adults, they split but are getting together because they heard Scooby passed away and it's too big of a media story not to regroup. The funeral goes haywire, there's a Scooby ghost who is...evil!? And the gang gets back together, one last time, to solve who would dare besmirch their dog friend's name. Could be a fun romp through old villains, some who have turned their lives around, others who haven't.

@pkmntrainerred4247

2 ай бұрын

Honestly Scooby-Doo has a lot of potential for having an Adult show/reboot/reimagining. How about a horror-focused one where the ghosts are real and the gang tries to solve mysteries about occults, curses and cults? Or a more grounded, crime-investigation take where its still the premise of catching people masquerading as ghosts, except its the gang getting involved into the criminal mafia or underworld using ghosts as a front to hide their shady work and how the Gang will bring down the entire organization? Or just something similar to Velma, but actually well done

Pretty funny how Bluey, a show for kids, has been gaining traction with adult audiences for how likable and relatable it's characters are, while this show is meant for adults, but it's characters are a bunch of unlikable douchebags. Heck, I think Bluey has more respect for it's audience's intelligence than Velma ever could. EDIT: JINKIES! This dumb comment blew up, thread carefully!

@W0lfenstrike

Жыл бұрын

@The Owl Nice try bot.

@rebecca_rh

Жыл бұрын

@@Alrightythen-es4gvthat’s because Velma is the prime example of A teen’s view on adulthood, that really feels insecure about being perceived as “mature” enough, so he tries so hard with his childish view on adulthood, and ends up looking even more childish in the end.

@gracekim25

Жыл бұрын

@@Alrightythen-es4gv mmmmmmmmmmmmmm…..I’m unsure how anyone can like this 😅

@weirdguy1495

Жыл бұрын

That's not a huge hurdle. I would say even Dora and Peppa Pig have more respect for their audience than Velma.

@realityshifter3399

Жыл бұрын

@Wolfenstrike Yeah, this isn't the first time the Scooby gang were unlikable douchebags see Scooby live action films.

Here's the thing, as a black man, I don't need people to make an existing white character black. If anything that makes me even more mad because it means they couldn't just make an original black character and have them stand on their own two feet.

@mechanomics2649

Жыл бұрын

Here's the thing. Corporations aren't interested in making an original black character and have them stand on their own two feet. Here's the other thing, Velma isn't black.

@rojack79er

Жыл бұрын

@@mechanomics2649 wasn't talking about Velma. I know she's not black, still don't care for people getting race swapped for the sake of this inclusivity BS.

@apll9146

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, the way that the show depicts itself, it seems like the only reason Shaggy or "Norville" is black is because Mindy didn't want to be nice to a white male character and since Shaggy is most beloved (due to memes & Iconic voice) they changed his race. This is my speculations because of how infantilised Fred is and how he is portrayed as this dramatic version of what most people on Social Media describe "white men" as being.

@Theawesomeninja_XD

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's part of making race swapping a huge problem. How hard is it to make an original poc character??

@celinathehottie

Жыл бұрын

@@Theawesomeninja_XD A 'huge' problem? I think that's an overstatement. If race is 'no big deal' like people claim, someone being of a different race in an animated tv show shouldn't be a big deal.

My biggest problem with this show is that they made Velma extremely dislikable for seemingly no reason

@TheAdventuresOfJimiJaden

9 ай бұрын

Mindy Kaling made that decision, she wanted to make Velma just like her. Her other characters like Disgust and Taffyta are both kinda mean like that too, correct me if I’m wrong but I think she likes to play the role of mean characters.

When you talked about that “kiss” I thought about the Lumity kiss and how much more satisfying it was. Because Dana Terrance and her team did something you mentioned; PACING. They actually showed them as enemies to friends to lovers and it worked.

@daniapfel9673

Жыл бұрын

They're smarts

@blueflare3848

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same exact thing. The Owl House handled it so much better. It handled mature themes better in general.

@daniapfel9673

Жыл бұрын

@@blueflare3848 Yeah

@mrrunodan8119

Жыл бұрын

​@@blueflare3848 not to mention that Velma is basically what Luz could have become (AKA Belos) if she kept trying to do things on her own WITHOUT admitting that she is wrong. Seriously! This Velma seems to try to solve the mystery by only basing herself on pop culture that she saw WITHOUT bringing something new to her. You understand what i mean?

The hate this show is getting is so satisfying

@Dreamartist47

Жыл бұрын

I hate the show too

@thunderousbitch8163

Жыл бұрын

It will bring humanity together ❤️

@riffraff7942

Жыл бұрын

That’s literally what I said. You flat out stole my comment

@goursaol6463

Жыл бұрын

I hate the show more than I hate hatred

@bearerofbadnews1375

Жыл бұрын

It’s so bad it made me appreciate Shaggy and Scooby doo get a clue.

Reminder for everyone: Do not hate watch this show! Just completely ignore it. If we want to tell HBO max that we do not want this show, we don't watch it.

@Lee-fx7bd

Жыл бұрын

YESSS. there's tons of KZreadrs who have reacted. Been hate watching through them

@GassyGoat

Жыл бұрын

Hate watching doesn’t do much, they already had second season planned. Plus shows mostly make money from merchandise.

@alexmcdonald4707

Жыл бұрын

Just pirate it if you're going to hate watch it. Still wouldn't recommend it. It absolutely sucks.

@natkatmac

Жыл бұрын

@@GassyGoat who would buy merch of this??

@harvestercommander3250

Жыл бұрын

I’m never going to watch it. I’m sticking with the original.

I forgot about the Johnny Bravo one also "You near sighted momma" absolutely killed me 😂😂😂

Whenever I think about good meta humor, I think of Ace Attorney as a golden standard. It's really funny as it pokes fun at the absurd tropes happening, ones which often can be found in both Japanese and western media. Additionally, it earns the right to make those meta jokes by having genuinely well-written characters and stories instead of just covering for bad writing, including one of the most well-written and emotional character arcs I've ever seen(Rayfa in SoJ). They use those absurd tropes to add to the actual story. Even Godot, who on the surface is mostly just a one-note coffee addict joke, is written in a way that keeps that joke consistently funny and foreshadows his eventual character arc where he's revealed to be so much more.

Bluey is unironically more adult than Velma

@Good100

Жыл бұрын

Velma is adult and childish. Bluey is mature and for kids. Different things.

@FearlessLeader2001

Жыл бұрын

@LewaLew wait, really? Bluey is kids show? /sarcasm

@sgtstr3am785

Жыл бұрын

"My son watches Bluey" "No, you watch Bluey and our son plays in the room." -My wife 😂

@duckysguidetoshipping8930

Жыл бұрын

Exactly bluet is a masterpiece

@FearlessLeader2001

Жыл бұрын

@@sgtstr3am785 wholesome

Fred wasn't a himbo in most of the shows. He usually came up with the traps and helped Velma deduce the culprits. He was portrayed more as an intelligent art culture guy, if I remember right? They did him so dirty by making him stupid. His original character subverted expectations by placing him in an ascot and making him brainy. The irony is that he brought Velma down to Earth a few times in the old show, where she would talk about something intellectual and he would just fire back with his own input, showing he could understand her, often with her complimenting him or being stunned by his knowledge. Daphne and Shaggy were the comedic relief buffoons, but they would help solve the mysteries too due to their antics and different approaches. Daphne in particular was always a sweetheart, so making her a mean girl is ultra disrespectful to a good role model. Yeah she wasn't super smart, but she would resolve issues all the time with her good nature and social etiquette. She was the 'face of the party' quite often.

@Kiraikira_

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I remember Fred being more of a co-operative and even smart guy, since he was constantly looking for traps

@bluewolf6323

Жыл бұрын

And worse, making Daphne the mean girl just destroys her character more because I feel like they took one look at Daphne's main character personalities and went, "Ha, she's just a mean girl" It's literally too easy, they picked the lowest hanging fruit. Because Daphne is a self made, "dumb ditzy" girl who likes fashion and is there for "eye candy" so of course she's a mean girl /j...I'm surprised they didn't make Fred and Daphne the annoying bully couple with Fred being more eye candy, being a jerk, and a dumb ass jock who makes it obvious that his girlfriend is running the show and he's just a lap dog...

@Kiraikira_

Жыл бұрын

@@bluewolf6323 it's all about projection from the creators own life and self-loathing

@onuhrita5009

Жыл бұрын

I loved that Daphne growing up. She wasn't mean to Velma in all the Scooby Doo series.

@redactedoktor

Жыл бұрын

Can’t a himbo be an intelligent art culture guy who makes traps? Like come on! He can still be lovable and himbo dumb, but he can also be really smart and passionate about the things he loves! Mystery Inc. people! Mystery Inc!

Girl literally just made her fictionkin headcanons about Velma into a show 💀

@KyleEvra

Жыл бұрын

I seen better headcanons than this!

@usamiichigo

Жыл бұрын

@@KyleEvra same 😭😭

@s3asalt1cecream

4 ай бұрын

What does fictionkin have to do with this? Is Mindy even a part of the community?

The ability of the people behind Velma to ignore the massive criticism is one of the biggest mysteries

As a person of color myself, the reason I'm tired and done with race swapping is because, more often than not, whenever they switch a character's race, they project a bunch of characteristics in the character that are usually negative, giving a bad look to us poc who support one side or the other.

@vpoof7804

Жыл бұрын

finally someone who understands 😭

@Slapnuts9627

Жыл бұрын

I mean, as a European, why's it problematic for us to be offended when stereotypical and morbid jokes are made about us in media but not the other way around? Fred is the only white guy left, and has every single stereotype applied to him and is now the butt of every joke. Oh, and of course, he's an antagonist. Did I forget to mention he has a small penis and is murderous? Yeah that too. It's getting ridiculous. It's backwards, what happened to not seeing color and treating everyone the same? It's like modern media wants an emphasis on it by swapping out character's races because we're not "Exotic" Enough to bring in cash or whatever.

@MrRawrCEO

Жыл бұрын

I feel like the race swapping could have worked if they did a very specific angle. Make it take place in the same universe as the Scooby Doo gang, but instead of it being the original gang it's like 5 Scooby Doo fans and their dog (each of them obviously an analogue of the original gang) banding together and trying to emulate the original gang and struggling due to a combination of inexperience, dysfunctionality, and desperately trying to copy their heroes instead of just playing to their own strengths. A. You could make them travel all throughout Asia, granting both diversity of cast as well as setting and monsters (let's be real, Southeast Asian ghosts are awesome). B.There is plenty of room for not only humor but character growth as they mature and learn to grow into their respective roles while still being unique. C. It could serve as sort of a commentary in of itself on remakes. The gang fails when they try to badly and mindlessly copy the success of the originals, but succeed when they learn to play to their own strengths and correctly emulate the parts that made the originals GOOD. D.Big finale where they finally meet their heroes and work together on a big case! Seriously though imo the problem isn't race swapping so much as an utter lack of imagination. If they did the same thing without the race swaps it would still be just as terrible.

@Niobesnuppa

Жыл бұрын

@@MrRawrCEO That would've worked so much better. Then they could've been much more creative with the character designs and writing too, had the writing been any good in the first place, I mean.

@michaeliv284

Жыл бұрын

This is coming from a guy as white as tofu, but here's my two pence Race swaping should only be used if it helps tell the story or to emphisise the point. Otherwise, it should just be for variety, like they did on She-Ra. The WORST you can do is race swap where it makes no sense. You can make Superman or Dorothy Gale black as they can fit in the stories they tell. But you wouldn't make Heracles Chinese as there'd be no way he would be. Don't flay me if I said something wrong.

The creators of the show: "We want to make a mature show that adults will enjoy, and adults want to see edgy adult humor, not a dog." Meanwhile, adults: *Are watching Bluey even when their kids aren't around*

@ryanlesner0000ninja

Жыл бұрын

Did the animation cast from Drawn Together get rehired? Did the writing staff for Drawn together get rehired?

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

I gotta admit. I like Paw Patrol too.

@michaelmittag001

Жыл бұрын

IS THIS A CURSE??? I DON’T WANT TO BE BANNED TO A LIFE OF BLUEY

@brandonlyon730

Жыл бұрын

And also watch anime, funny to think the Japanese can have such a diverse genres of animation for all ages that most people can enjoy and even have actual adult shows without it being a dumb comedy. Western Adult Animation is really lacking in diversity in genres.

@coyote434_6

Жыл бұрын

this comment LOLLL

It funny how when Velma hates someone, its fine. But when we hate Velma, Mindy Kailing goes batshit crazy.

Velma in Mystery Incorporated had more sass compared to prior iterations, but she wasn’t insufferable like this version.

@shwahgamer

Жыл бұрын

That's because Mystery Incorporated treated Velma's flaws like flaws. When she was wrong, she was treated as being wrong. Whether it was being high and mighty or the way she treated Shaggy when they were together, if she was doing something that was disliked by others, the show was aware of it and didn't try to pretend she was in the right. Whereas this Velma said straight up "I'm always right about everything," and it wasn't treated as a joke, or something to proven wrong, they just let that be. Her character isn't allowed to be wrong, so being arrogant like that is encouraged rather than being treated as something that makes her look like a jerk.

Not so fun fact: In one of Mindy Kaling's shows, she forced a dude to kiss her during acting rehearsals, (Without consent, might I add.) and ‘joked’ on live television that anyone who complained about it would be fired. How the heck people like this get into the animation industry baffles me.

@starkillersneed

Жыл бұрын

This makes that #MeToo joke even worse

@wrestlinganime4life288

Жыл бұрын

For the same reason Jimmy Carrey got away after kissing a younger actress without consent.. Its a twisted industry

@homerman76

Жыл бұрын

@@wrestlinganime4life288 Yeah, it's an unfortunate reality that many humans will use their power and status as a means to subject others to their personal whims, it's especially sad since many of them project themselves as good people in other areas of their lives, making it difficult to decide whether stories like this are true or just a coworker trying to grab attention at the cost of said person's career 😓

@Frenchaboo

Жыл бұрын

She's also a TERF and notoriously likes JKR's weird anti-trans obsessed tweets.

@Creepystalker102

Жыл бұрын

@@starkillersneed it’s all I could think about when she said that joke, along with the way she supported Aziz Anzeri with his SA case as well. She’s very against anyone speaking up against SA it seems

The best part about the Johnny Bravo crossover was when they bumped into each other and both lost their glasses. Velma, of course, said "my glasses! I can't see without my glasses!" Johnny, on the other hand, was all "my glasses! I can't be seen without my glasses!" 🤣🤣🤣

@MiyuwiTV

Жыл бұрын

@p o p robot

@hamnporkgamer

Жыл бұрын

@@MiyuwiTV robots are useful for different important task this on the other hand is a bot that targets channels with its only goal is bait

@MiyuwiTV

Жыл бұрын

@@hamnporkgamer lol yeah I agree, this person is an insult to robots all around the world, at least robots do useful things to society

@vestavind

Жыл бұрын

By reading your comment, I was suddenly taken back 20 years in time... to my grandparents house. Cartoon Network was a bit exclusive back then and they were the only ones in my family who had it. I loved watching Scooby Doo and Johnny Bravo, and I remember that crossover so well! A good memory indeed.

@TheLegendaryBillCipher

Жыл бұрын

That was fantastic.

Velma: *commits a huge cardinal sin* Everyone from all corners of life: "So you just signed your death warrant."

As a colored person, I’d say this counts as a damn war crime.

Velma is a perfect example of how NOT to make a show like it.

@Kira-pv4xq

Жыл бұрын

@Secret aight time to report you for self promotion

@somerandolad

Жыл бұрын

It's what happens when people who don't like Scooby Doo make a show set within that universe.

@michaelstrong5383

Жыл бұрын

One of the reasons why Smiling Friends was successful was because despite the gory violence and dark jokes, it still kept the optimistic tone all throughout. It's something that shows like Velma need to learn.

@TrainerAQ

Жыл бұрын

Why'd they make Fred so stupid? He used to be the leader of the group.

@neevko267

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelstrong5383 Also because it doesn't rely on gory, raunchy humor It's still there, but it's not the entire show, and when they do it, it's handled perfectly

"Who is this for?!" Mindy. It's for Mindy, especially seeing as she's using Velma as a self insert. I feel like I'm getting an in depth look at her personal life, problems, and views. All of which have convinced me that I *never* want to meet Mindy.

@shawnfields2369

Жыл бұрын

Yep, same here, I want to stay as far away from Mindy as possible. Because she not only ruined one of my favorite series(Scooby-Doo), or at least, helped ruin it, but who knows, she could make it worse in the future. Me? I'd rather just go back to the better Scooby-Doo cartoons, like "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo"(the one with a catchy theme song) and, "What's New, Scooby-Doo?"(my favorite of the Scooby-Doo cartoons, and in my opinion is the one with the BEST theme song), but there's also "Mystery Incorporated", which I haven't seen myself yet; but I hear it's great. Grew up with reruns of the original series from the 60s, (because I'm not a time traveler, at least, not yet; anyways...)

@Victoria-so1in

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree

@shawnfields2369

Жыл бұрын

@Peter Hanson Yeah; I also agree, and yeah, if anyone else's listening, if you want to see darker interpretations of Scooby-Doo(done right), there's "Scooby-Doo and The Witch's Ghost"(which has an awesome punk girl band performance at the end, AND, it's also got Tim Curry, as the main villain, the novelist, Ben Ravencroft!), and my favorite of the Scooby-Doo movies: obviously, is Zombie Island, because I didn't think they'd actually go and make it as dark as they did. I mean, at this point in time, I'd definitely take Scooby-Doo and The Spindly Johnny(Caddicarus reference!), over Velma! Seriously. They took Scooby out of the show, made Fred dumb, and made both Velma and Daphne annoying, and obnoxious. I too, miss when CN weren't trying dumb things like horrible reality shows and barely any cartoons, and also, mentioning that CARTOON NETWORK themselves said they DIDN'T NEED CARTOONS anymore! How do you even do something THAT dumb?

@seantaggart7382

Жыл бұрын

I want to Help convert her to friendship

@MegaKnight2012

Жыл бұрын

Except given her background growing up, she's more like this show's Fred than Velma

Honestly I would kind of like the “spoiled rich kid” angle from Fred if he 1. Wasn’t too stupid to breathe 2. Was still kind, just disconnected and kinda dumb I imagine he would just accidentally flaunt his wealth and be disconnected from the middle class but he wouldn’t see them as inferior or anything. He’s still friendly but he says insensitive things at the start of the show because he’s a spoiled kid but he grows after hanging out with the gang and the gang sees how he is genuinely a compassionate guy he’s just a himbo

“I love Velma, it’s the best show ever!” -Nobody, ever.

@daniapfel9673

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@glimmerstantroop46321

Жыл бұрын

Real

@AidenYTP

Жыл бұрын

@@glimmerstantroop46321 100% free no virus

“But you got a job as a teacher. Why do you need more money?” “😞” Oh my god. That’s absolutely brilliant.

@lesigh3410

Жыл бұрын

An actually good joke!

@ArbiterofTruth

Жыл бұрын

$25 an hour is barely enough in certain areas. Though some teachers make less.

@TheGateShallStand

Жыл бұрын

@@ArbiterofTruth 25 an hour? Holy shit what teachers do you know? Every teacher I know would love to make 16, much less 25

@paperremix

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGateShallStand that's sad as shit

@pyschobandit4478

Жыл бұрын

@@paperremix in some schools my teahcers get 13 dollars an hour (their job last for 3 hours)

Honestly Mindy comes across as a narcissist. "I relate so much with Velma"...then turns Velma into her identity.

@ImaNerdANDaGeek

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing she identifies with Velma because she always thinks she is the smartest one in a group.

@blue893

Жыл бұрын

had to get rid of her whiteness, JUST HAD to.

@HookedonChronics

Жыл бұрын

@@blue893 while she obsessed over white people, constantly seeks their validation, and probably wishes she was white. She's self hating.

@DestructionatorWitch

Жыл бұрын

And proceeds to make Velma stupid, accusing people of murder over stereotypes or just "I don't like this guy therefore he's the murderer". Wow, almost like Mindy Kaling has no interest in detective stories at all!!

@ryszakowy

Жыл бұрын

"i relate so much with velma.... after i turned her into me and projected my bullshit onto her"

Between you and me, HBO’s Velma feels more like the Allen Gregory of Warner Bros. Animation rather than a Scooby Doo spinoff.

This show does not deserve a cover that epic.

Mindy Kalling: “i relate so much to Velma!” Also Mindy Kalling: changes everything likeable, relatable and recognizable about the character.

@kalusiak742

Жыл бұрын

What a surprise

@moyo6606

Жыл бұрын

If she just liked the aesthetic she should have just said that, lol.

@Johnny202

Жыл бұрын

Or maybe this is why she relates to her? Because this Velma is terrible

@AeridisArt

Жыл бұрын

a friend probably showed her the "Velma's Sass" video from mystery inc and said that's all she needs to know about her. It's really the only explanation

@marcusmg4904

Жыл бұрын

"I relate to Velma" ❌ "I'mma fuck the living shit out of this character's personality traits and make her my self-insert because EVERYONE relates to a total asshole" ✔️

The greatest thing about scooby doo was that they went against their own stereotypes. Daphne looked like she was gonna be a bimbo, she is smart, great at martial arts and kind. Velma is a nerd but uses her skills to solve mysteries but isn't anti social and gets along with Daphne who is suppose to be the mean girl bimbo. She gets along with her opposites Fred looks like the strong jock but is just a himbo who is a simp for traps but is a genius with traps too which does involve engineering and maths Shaggy looks like a scrawny lazy dude but my god have you seen him run? No wonder dude loves his food. He is also insecure but is trying to combat that for his friends. Scooby is a great dane which means he's suppose to be big and scary, but he's a cowardly dog who loves to eat as well. Velma just gives them back their stereotypes and ups it by 200%

@sansskeleton8552

Жыл бұрын

U know u got me off guard about simp to trap. i thought u mean femboy and i remember he literally obsessed with an actual trap😅😆 Btw sorry for the bad english

@13th.moon.

Жыл бұрын

“Simp for traps”

@FeralSwift

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly said!

@flyingorange2482

Жыл бұрын

Fred simps for traps relatable fr fr

@satan7350

Жыл бұрын

i may have something in common with Fred.

looking at this new Velma show is the equivalent to listening to "Now you're just somebody that I used to know" on loop for hours

how does Velma manage to be the most insufferable character but still have the entire main cast of characters fall in love with her 😨😨

yknow what, as a poc i DO have a problem with the race switching. I don’t have a problem with the concept itself but i hate the fact that they only do it for brownie points or to tick off a box or something. it’s like they think that having a poc character absolves them of actually having to write them well. it feels so disingenuous and i doubt anybody actually feels represented by this. But also in general, i wish people would just write more stories about poc instead of just taking already established white characters and making them poc. That way the storylines and character backgrounds will feel more genuine to a poc. race swapping is just lazy and the worst form of representation imo. And lowkey same with the sexuality thing too (once again speaking as a queer person) like you can make them gay but don’t act like that automatically makes them groundbreaking or even a good character 😭

@heehoopeenut2579

Жыл бұрын

absolutely agree. i have an issue with race swapping because it is so unnecessary. why don’t we just, i dont know, CREATE POC CHARACTERS? it is definitely super disingenuous. it’s like people think poc can’t have their own characters and NEED to just be an already existing one. it’s lazy. it’s not hard to learn to write good and unique characters that are of other ethnicities

@supotter377

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Saber’s condescending ass comment about this felt really off and very wrong imo.

@Sparxychu

Жыл бұрын

@@supotter377 Definitely agree. "If you have an issue with race-swapping you're stupid" fr?? Way to dismiss something actually problematic.

@mechanomics2649

Жыл бұрын

@@supotter377 Except it wasn't off and he's right.

@BabySonicGT

Жыл бұрын

@@Sparxychu he probably said that to not be cancelled

Honestly, it feels like Mindy self-inserted herself into the show.

@JeckTheMan

Жыл бұрын

She did

@charliehorse8401

Жыл бұрын

It is her self insert jagdadgjjgrs I feel really bad to all the people that want Velma to go through an actual character Arc, because knowing Mindy and how disgusting of a person she is, that's not happening.

@JPOG7TV

Жыл бұрын

What if the show was supposed to be a cartoon about Mindy but Warner wanted the Scooby do licensed the be used? Because it feels like that honestly

@ActuallyHoudini

Жыл бұрын

she did.

@Nightman221k

Жыл бұрын

This proves that the only Mindy who should be in associated with Velma is Mindy Kohn.

Ok time to do the writers job for them, here's roughly how I would do in one season with quick summaries: Episodes 1&2 Introduce the characters (the personalities can stay the same as a starting point) as Velma solves some mysteries around the school Episodes 3-5 - Velma starts struggling to solve mysteries dues to her lack of social skills and filter Daphne helps out getting the information Velma needs having noticed the events of episodes 1&2 and develops an interest in mysteries herself. Shaggy is asked by the school to help Fred control his temper but currently failing. Episodes 6-9 - Velma and Daphne continue mystery solving with Velma becoming less hostile to people and Daphne getting smarter. Fred starts being able to control himself with help from Shaggy but also gets Shaggy to be more impulsive and speak his mind faster leading to Shaggy saying "like" a lot, Fred and Shaggy start getting recruited as extra hands for Daphne & Velma a few times. Episodes 10-11 - Big mystery hits the school requiring all 4 characters to work together (I would make this the first actually paranormal mystery). Episode 12 - Graduation with the main cast deciding to be become a team of investigators and a final scene of them meeting Scooby.

@Absolei

Жыл бұрын

Now, y'see, there's some good writing.

@echosclassroom1830

Жыл бұрын

@@Absolei Better than the dumpster-fire of a Scooby Doo show we have.

At least Scooby didn't have to suffer in this series.

@echosclassroom1830

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

No offense but as a black person I literally laughed so hard at NoRViLLe's design that I grew a six pack in a day. Like... Bruh. The problem isn't black shaggy (although the race washing in this is its own can of worms of Oh No...), but the way that they manage to do it is so fucking funny like ain't no way you look at that and go "yeah, that's shaggy" they DEADASS got some random dude and threw a green shirt on him help 😭 I've seen some spectacular black Shaggy designs and I can even think of a few myself that I'd make and this just ain't it.

@oopdascoop

Жыл бұрын

In my head Canon norivlle is just a huge shaggy cosplayer and just cosplayes him 24/ 7

@apll9146

Жыл бұрын

Dude what do you mean... That's definitely Shaggy. Don't you remember Shaggy the guy... Who walks around being dull as fuck.... Yknow Shaggy the one that sends "VMs".... No but fr, I've seen better redesigns of Shaggy and that is... That's definitely a Norville....

@meepmeep9943

Жыл бұрын

I fuckin KNEW there was something off about his design. “Random mf they put a green shirt on” is the best part way to describe him, and like half the other shaggy iterations

@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger

Жыл бұрын

I was trying to figure out for the longest time who the new guy replacing Shaggy was.

@mekiyahhazbin1720

Жыл бұрын

It's literal garbage lmao... it's just some black dude in a shirt. He didn't retain any of his character, he didn't retain any of his style, and he doesn't even have any of the same story gimmicks. "Norville" feels like more of a racial stereotype than any other lazily inserted black character I've ever seen

Mindy grew up with rich parents, never worked a day job & was handed a Hollywood job through her parents contracts & influences. So when she wrote Fred as a spoiled rich kid with no soul. Yeah i can definitely see she's really writing herself. This is what we in the business call "The Projection" & a classic Freudian Slip.

@Justin-pe9cl

Жыл бұрын

The real self insert character. XD

@auro662

Жыл бұрын

The comment you copied and pasted is directly below this comment.

@morganb8250

Жыл бұрын

Her parents were doctors in Cambridge, Massachusetts. This is not completely accurate.

@fatemakhan3843

Жыл бұрын

@@auro662 Mm i know, that's why i posted here purposely. Because it turns out, that person who you & other thinks is the original comment poster, Turns out he/she also Copied My Comments 2 Days Ago Before Posting Here 🤭😆🤣.

@Abrothers12

Жыл бұрын

Professional victims at work

This show makes High Guardian Spice look like a masterpeice

@Croz89

Жыл бұрын

HGS felt like a bunch of writers trying in earnest to make something good, but having neither the budget (they clearly didn't have enough money for proper 2D hand drawn animation, there were shortcuts even hanna barbera would be ashamed of!) or experience to pull it off. Velma seems like the writers know exactly what they're doing and don't care.

@alexgomez6723

Жыл бұрын

I firmly believe HGS did begin as a genuine vision from an artist, before modern ideology and corporate culture came in, but even than, as it is now, at the very least it somewhat tried be something worthwhile and stand on its own two legs, this thing called “Velma” parasitically latched itself on a familiar beloved property and grew into a grotesque extension of it not at all unlike a cancerous tumor.

@momo-chanthegerbil6205

Жыл бұрын

@axegirl9187 they're competing with each other

@remixchild

Жыл бұрын

Thank you​@@momo-chanthegerbil6205

@fermintenava5911

Жыл бұрын

HGS was the blueprint of what could have been a fun saturday morning-cartoon. Very much of it was ruined by executive meddling (e.g. the trailer, the order to make it "more adult"). Velma in contrast looks like something that saw no outside control at all - just an overprivileged, self-indulgent celebrity with a writer that won't say No to anything.

I feel bad for Glenn Howerton. He's genuinely really funny so it's a shame his name is glued to this show forever

@daniapfel9673

Жыл бұрын

Yep

The thing that annoys me about Fred is, that he was the hardest character to mess up imo, his formula has been done before. Hell, a recent character from an adult show that they could've taken inspiration from is Brett from Inside Job. He's the perfect, loveable Himbo that still gets his moments and is a cool character. It's not hard, those characters have been done before, HOW can you mess that up

@eljoel89

Жыл бұрын

Nope. Can't do that. Good adult animation doesn't activate the outrage cycle so we (Netflix) have to kill it. Now prepare for That 90's Show...

@homerman76

Жыл бұрын

@@eljoel89 Velma was made by HBO, though, so yeah... 🤔

@MrMViceroy

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Also I love Brett. I'm going to miss him the most.

@mipha8795

Жыл бұрын

You mess it up by not doing that formula at all; He's more of a punching bag than a character it feels. This was so originally its own show before having Scooby-Doo plastered on it for recognizablity.

@BrightWulph

Жыл бұрын

Fred in this "Velma" show ends up being sympathetic, even though they're trying to do the "toxic cis white male" cleche with him and his family. Also the double standard annoys the hell out of me, like it's OK to body-shame a teenage boy, but it's thr biggest sin to body-shame a teenage girl. 😑😐

Fred: "Alright gang! Now that we caught our irreverent impersonators, let's find out who's behind all this trouble!" *Pulls off fake Velma's mask* Shaggy: "Like, ZOINKS! It was Mindy Kaling all along!"

@racquelmarsh1121

Жыл бұрын

@Bryan Cubero *cough!*LOL🤣😂🤣

@planescaped

Жыл бұрын

Lmao, now that'd be a great premiere for season 2 and could potentially salvage things.

@kitkatboard

Жыл бұрын

That would be such a power move for season 2

@ZoanBlade90

Жыл бұрын

"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling fans!" 😄

@tobor88

Жыл бұрын

@@ZoanBlade90 "AND Your love for that dog!" Scooby: "Dog? Where?"

This film makes scrappy doo look like an lovable amazing character

@daniapfel9673

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@charadreemurr4839

10 ай бұрын

I mean, I always liked Scrappy Doo.

Even Fred who wasn't race swapped got changed. He basically only shares clothes and hair color, but the personality and body shape are entirely different. This doesn't feel like a Scooby show, it's only a random bad show with characters that look like Scooby characters.

Mindy is the equivalent of that one dude who inserted himself into Powerpuff girls just to date blossom

@Darkdjinn79

Жыл бұрын

What?

@keona5560

Жыл бұрын

@@Darkdjinn79 the Powerpuff Girls reboot had a writter insert himself as a student Blossom was head over heels in love with for some odd reason. Very friggin weird

@Rihcterwilker

Жыл бұрын

Tbf, he didn't insert himself, but the team made the character look like him as a joke. Nonetheless, the show was still inferior to the original.

@Toastcat890

Жыл бұрын

That’s awful and creepy.

@Demonic_Culture_Nut

Жыл бұрын

@@Rihcterwilker Plus, it's not uncommon for þe people behind þe scenes to insert þemselves into þe show, usually as background characters to fill up space when necessary (like, say, at a school during þe day).

Saber forcing himself to say “missed a rullet” instead of bullet when talking about scooby doo and laughing about it to himself- is actually by far funnier than this entire show.

@valivali8104

Жыл бұрын

@hope.957 what kind of spam is this? And no, I'm not going to look it...

When I saw they changed the characters races I wrote it off immediately. Not because you can't change a characters race, but because it is usually a symptom of bad things to come. That litmus test hasn't failed yet

Ok but, this is LITERALLY the 'I am not starfire' graphic novel all over again, the creator made herself insert starfire's daughter and she was so narcissist and rude to everyone. 😭

My issue with the race swapping isnt that they were race swapped- its that it feels like they only did that to use Velma’s new position as a POC as a gag or an in to make these horrifically unfunny “im cool and woke” jokes

@QuincyQuinn95

Жыл бұрын

That and the fact that they raceswapped literally every member of the gang EXCEPT the one they portray as a racist rich white dude with smol peepee. Like you honestly can't get more blatantly hateful than that, and Saber out here calling people stupid for having it bother them. Honestly my biggest critique of this review.

@graysonrogers-barnes6302

Жыл бұрын

I personally like the designs, but they still fell back on tons of stereotypes for them. Plus, it's a good way for the makers to dodge criticism.

@coldfrost5

Жыл бұрын

@@QuincyQuinn95 Saber have that mentality of most creator have that if you don't like this character of color or LGBT or race swapping then you are automatedly a racist & bigot homophobe without hearing out the people why people criticism the character.

@coldfrost5

Жыл бұрын

yes this is why i don't like race swapping that much because most modern media portray race swapping as like you said "cool & woke" but in reality they just making a fucking racist insult especially to white people and when people call them out, they use the race card to avoid criticism. Look i don't mind character race swap as long as the character was well written and the story is interesting.

@djtundra8011

Жыл бұрын

And Mindy Kaling self inserted herself into it

I still can't believe they made Velma the opposite of what her actual personality used to be. She was characterized as being a bit shy and socially awkward, especially around people she admired or felt intimidated by. Here, she obnoxiously proclaims to each character that they are shallow and dumber than her right to their face. It's not charming or done in a clever way, it's annoying and ironically lacks self-awareness.

@planescaped

Жыл бұрын

Turning admirable characters into insufferable, smug, hateful, self-absorbed and amoral bastardized versions of themselves, is a weird trend in modern storytelling... Hollywood specifically. When did being an ugly person become encouraged? I suppose when "be yourself" turned into "have no inhibitions", and temper tantrum throwing toddlers weren't put in their place and allowed to grow into adults with horrible personality defects.

@naominekomimi

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he hit the nail on the head in saying she's a self insert or OC of Velma. Nothing like the actual character. More like someone annoying who relates to Velma but is nothing like her.

@thenerdbeast7375

Жыл бұрын

I did notice a trend of in newer series Velma becoming more cynical, I guess because "cynical= smart" and here they cranked it up to 11 to the point of overshadowing the rest of her personality.

@Pheminon1

Жыл бұрын

@hope. Velma is a prime example of making a pizza?

@HorseDe-luxe

Жыл бұрын

@@Pheminon1 It's a bot.

Honestly race swapping is always a bad idea, it's a symptom of lazy writing and an unwillingness to create new dynamic characters that bring something unique just to save time and money, if you're unwilling to put effort into making a unique character and instead opt to slap a coat of paint on an existing character you've already failed the people you're trying to represent.

@daniapfel9673

Жыл бұрын

Not false

@tylerleach8796

Жыл бұрын

Samual L. Jackson as Nick Fury. That is my response to what you just said.

@drakordarkstar383

Жыл бұрын

@@tylerleach8796 because they actually tried to build upon the character and set him up in a meaningful and interesting way, he's the only instance of race swapping that went over well that i know of specifically because the writers were actually doing their job, unlike most other companies that just write unfaithful trash and call it a day.

@tylerleach8796

Жыл бұрын

@@drakordarkstar383 notice how nothing you said defending Nick Fury in the MCU had anything to do with his race.

@drakordarkstar383

Жыл бұрын

@@tylerleach8796 obviously. I just don't like the idea of iron man becoming a Chinese jock obsessed with protein powder and working out. I've seen reboots tarnish characters with shit like that

Why would they ruin a kids show by making the characters inappropriate and change them not very smart

I love that the recurring feeling people get from Velma is "this sounds like what right wings think being woke is like". This is so in line with what Mindy Kaling says every time she is offered the opportunity to speak

@arturoaguilar6002

Жыл бұрын

It's uncanny how much she fits with the side-characters from reactionary right-wing fiction like the "Trigger Warning" book (and much less entertaining without the unintentionally badly written right-wing protagonist).

@andrewnigo61

Жыл бұрын

What surprises me the most is how many times I've seen both left and right-wing people be attacked and smeared as "racist" for having near-similar criticisms against this show. It's like even if you don't lean right, someone will somehow still perceive you as "right-wing" or "alt-right" for criticizing something like these shows, even if your criticisms don't make any mention of the race-swapping or anything. This show brought together everyone across the political spectrum in a shared disdain for these dumbass shows.

@wrestlinganime4life288

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewnigo61 reminds me of the 2020 Mulan movie. Everyone EVERYONE HATED THAT MOVIE, from woke to antiwoke, China hated, western audiences hated.

@pippo17173

Жыл бұрын

@Andrew Nigo i find it funny when times like this shows its the main corpo that sucks the most lol.

@commentcritic7759

Жыл бұрын

as a right winger, this is exactly what it feels like

That simple little "you dodged a RULLET!" joke is funnier than than any joke the show writers made.

@JohnWick-vh2qy

Жыл бұрын

Get woke, go broke

Can we go back Scrappy Doo? I'll gladly take him again over this. Scrappy Doo, where are you?

With how bad Mindy's voice acting in the show is it's surprising that she voiced Disgust in Inside Out

I like what Charlie/Moist Critical proposed. Whenever shows like these come out, the internet should nominate one person to watch them. Content like Velma isn't worth our collective capacity. There is a wealth of content with good storytelling out there that deserves our attention.

@gothicMCRgirl

Жыл бұрын

Yup. People are always like “why are bad shows always getting renewed!!???” Because you’re watching them. Hate watching still gives these sorts of shows views and revenue, and therefore they get promoted to more people and therefore are given the green light to make even more seasons. When you give a show attention, even negative attention, it does nothing but benefit the people funding it. You don’t want anymore Velma seasons? Don’t see it. You don’t want anymore Transformer films? Don’t watch them. Don’t give the shit that you don’t like views, don’t give them money, don’t give them engagement. That’s the only way these shitty shows stop existing.

@Shenaldrac

Жыл бұрын

@@gothicMCRgirl Exactly. Leave it to the relatively few review outlets (yeah there's thousands of reviewers, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the 320 _million_ potential viewers in the USA alone) to watch and dunk on it. Watch _their videos_ trashing it, don't watch the show itself. Or if you must, pirate it.

@randomsamurai3855

Жыл бұрын

@@gothicMCRgirl wdym no more transformer movies some are good but it's just the new ones are mid now sadly.

@yikes5683

Жыл бұрын

The nominee would be the Jesus Christ of the internet 😂

@calebproductions1264

Жыл бұрын

Pinocchio A True Story is better to watch than this garbage.

Y'know what makes me sad? An adult mature Mystery Gang could honestly be awesome. They wouldn't even have to stretch that far; they could just lean into the horror and crime aspects the franchise already possesses, but instead of toning the severity of it down like it usually does, it could be focused on instead. Like the Mystery Gang fighting *_actual_* monsters or solving genuine missing person or murder cases with the risk of danger and death. You could keep the same banter between the crew as coping mechanisms for their more grisly professions while showcasing how harrowing it would actually be to put yourselves in the line of fire to unearth a mystery. But nah, we get this crap instead

@SiRenfield

Жыл бұрын

If you want a recommendation to cheer you up, there’s a book called Meddling Kids by Edgar Cantero a Watchmen-esque deconstruction of Scooby Doo that crosses it with elements of Stephen King’s It. It even has BIPOC and gay characters in a way that doesn’t come across as more pandering than progressive like the Velma show does

@eyzmaster

Жыл бұрын

Just watch Mike Tyson Mysteries if you want an adult mature Scooby-Doo cartoon, like Saber alluded to at the end.

@imjustmrks2554

Жыл бұрын

scooby doo mystery incorporated is decently mature atleast as far as scooby doo goes

@ZcattheNobody

Жыл бұрын

Omg I want to make this into a video game. That might save the Francise

@weathermansam2

Жыл бұрын

Surprised no one has mentioned the Scooby-Doo Project yet in this thread.

Velma came out on my birthday. Worst birthday gift ever.

personally i dont have an issue with race swapping a character of any race but from what i've seen from people i know who have an issue, the issue with race swapping is it shows these companies dont know how to write a proper character of any color, that they need to rely on already established characters. No one cares that a character is black, for example, just make a new character , make new stories.

The Velma and Daphni kissing despite hating each other is a trope that if "women scream and hate each other they'll eventually make out because it's hot"

@cloroxart

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY.

@DakotaofRaptors

Жыл бұрын

If they do get together, that would be one toxic relationship.

@sweett3253

Жыл бұрын

Not even a lesbian thing they did it in Bojack

@hassathunter2464

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was "I write my self-insert to be beloved by all other characters to fill this void in my heart."

@viscountrainbows2857

Жыл бұрын

They really couldn't restrain themselves until at least the season finale, so there's no way to go but down for that thread. The Harley Quinn show did it best, a Will They? Won't They? spread across a full season or two between her and Poison Ivy. Didn't feel forced, as you saw the characters' relationship slowly develop and gain those nuances that make their partnership feel truly earned, and not just another Ship come lately.

Velma is absolutely Mindy's OC. She probably felt ostracized and rejected in highschool because she saw herself as a nerd, and seeing the nerdy icon Velma literally become a sex icon with the rise of the internet, she had a few extra bucks to throw at living her dream of being the same shitty person but loved regardless for all her very obvious faults. Too bad she had to drag everyone along with her. Also, why are so many adult shows created with high schoolers in mind? Like I get that highschool is the preset for everything because it's so relatable, just about about everyone will experience highschool, but why does this show have to be set in school? There's no real mysteries, and the show tries so hard to be relatable, but it's very clearly an afterthought, the show is about Mindy and nothing else. Everything in the show struggles to be even decent, the animation is basic at best, the pacing is a slog with every joke needing those seconds to land, and just constant talking down to their own audience. I don't really get the reason why this show exists other than the show runner has a chip on their shoulder and wanted to relive highschool in the way she wishes it went.

@ember9361

Жыл бұрын

Reminder that Charlie is the one that made the show. The end product is his fault as much just as much

@anotherhuman3221

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, so many shows are set in high school because its easy set up, characters are interacting with each other because they go to the same places and are affected by the same powers. Makes it easier to pull everything togheter

@micahcook2408

Жыл бұрын

@@ember9361 true, I wish his face was at the forefront just as much as hers.

@kaiyote7924

Жыл бұрын

i think its not a good idea to put in an oc that is 100% supposed to be you. its fine to let them have relatable issues that you as a writter can identify with but to have them be a 1:1 fictional you never works out well

@micahcook2408

Жыл бұрын

But yeah, I agree… I wish there was more young adult centered content. I think Atlanta did it best with showcasing mid-to-late 20s - early 30s adult slice of life (surrealist) situations without forcing it to be set in one place like work or college. But it seems most of these writers just forget what it was like to be 20-30 out of college (or for some never in college) working part-time, living with parents or in their own apartment, etc. or feel as if a show about that is boring lol

Whilst playing X-COM: Enemy Unknown, I was also listening to this review. I heard the sound of Velma... punching open a trap door(?) at 6:28 and thought the aliens had just kicked down the door to the room I was hiding in because apparently they use pretty much the exact same stock sound clip! I assume it is some public domain stock sound effect called 'door_forced_open_7.mp3' or something lol!

And the worst thing about it is that she doesnt even say jinkies

@echosclassroom1830

Жыл бұрын

whats the point of velma if she doesnt say jinkies

@RosePeyster

3 ай бұрын

uhm… ackshually, velma is portrayed as a strong, influential young woman of color who cannot say something so stupid as “jinkies” 🤓☝️☝️

As a POC, I hated how they seemed to only use the race swapping to gain attention for their show. They do nothing with those changes. Same with making Velma gay. Like Saber said, it seems like the changes were made just to check off boxes for what a “woke children’s cartoon” should have. That’s the most frustrating thing about this show, if they cared even a little bit it could’ve been a decent show. They clearly had some other script written and WB had them throw on the Scooby-Doo IP for clicks

@heysup24

Жыл бұрын

To be fair Velma was originally mentioned to be a lesbian.

@jeremyscoutfan77

Жыл бұрын

@@heysup24 Canon

@enviisyk

Жыл бұрын

I'm not a POC but I am queer and I partially disagree with this take. while yeah you're probably right that warner prob doesn't care about us, POC and queer people irl don't exist with a thorough reason or agenda behind them, we just are. I think we should be allowed to exist in media without the people behind it "doing something with it."

@crazyadri5079

Жыл бұрын

mystery incorporated she was gay same with that one movie

@seventeenseventythirteen7465

Жыл бұрын

I honestly don't think you HAVE to give a good reason or write a story about someone's identity. It's a little off that white and straight are just the default and if you stray away from it you suddenly HAVE to explain it and put it in the story somehow or else it's just "woke pandering". Like, can't a gay dude just exist? Unrelated to this one but I see everyone get up in arms whenever a character is gay and say that "there needs to be a reason or else it's bad story telling and adds nothing to the story.", as if a character's sexuality has to be explained. It comes off like LGBTQ people HAVE to have some reason why they personally exist, rather than just simply existing. As if being LGBTQ is some sort of plot point in your life. I guess this is unrelated but kind of related. If you made Velma white you wouldn't have to explain her race, but if you make her black you have to give an explanation as to why you made her that way? I get that you technically "changed" her race from past iterations. But do we really need a plot point where they poorly handle some Indian (she's actually Indian and not African America, but I guess everyone just sees dark skin and thinks "black" regardless) stereotype since they can't actually get identity political commentary correct.

"It's like a self insert of her OC"....That's because it is. Every series she's written for, she self inserted and acted for.

Lmao, race swapping in this show is one of the main reasons why it's hated.

About the race swapping. When I see older characters getting race (or sex) swapped, I'm not particularly bothered by the actual change. That's just appearances. But the race swapping signals two things are going to happen: One is natural and one is meta. The natural thing is that the person is going to adopt some new culture that doesn't fit the old show, so they're *also* going to be changing the show just to accommodate the new identity of the characters. The meta thing is that people tend to get lazy with the writing when they have a convenient "you just don't like it cause racism/sexism" defense. It doesn't *always* work out that way... but it happens often enough that even just seeing an older character with new skin color (looking at you, Little Mermaid) makes me roll my eyes and assume it's going to be terrible. If I were to just see a new IP with a darker-skinned person, I wouldn't just assume it's going to be bad because they have dark skin. Same with a female-led IP. It's, specifically, the race/sex swap that makes me react that way.

@blueflare3848

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you. It's such lazy writing, which means that most of the time it's going to be awful. I'm a woman, and even I roll my eyes when I see writers gender swap a character. That isn't good representation. If anything it's an insult. I would rather see them create a completely new character that's just as interesting, important, and compelling as any other character. Make them their own person with their own goals and values. That's far more effective.

@CarloNassar

7 ай бұрын

I think it only works if the race barely plays a part or isn't some kind of major point. That's probably why there aren't nearly as many complaints about Birdie from _Street Fighter_ or Heimdall from Marvel Comics being race-swapped. I do agree with you about the meta thing and how people get lazy with writing.

They really did miss the chance to make The Mistery Inc a small, struggling detective agency that somehow gets caught up in a very high profile murder case. There was the chance to take a sirious story and tell it through the goofyness of scooby doo, creating humour from the clashes of genres. And the creators saw these options, and then also saw a dumpsterfire next to them, and decided to run with that.

@filipinodude5457

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, I’m not trying to be racist but they should make new black characters instead of making already existing characters black.

@dryfox11

Жыл бұрын

@@filipinodude5457 It’s really not racist to say that. White people getting blackwashed is the same thing as black people being whitewashed, or any other race for that matter.

@lainiwakura1776

Жыл бұрын

@@filipinodude5457 Making Velma Indian is due to Mindy Kaling's own insecurities when it comes to her own ethnicity.

@danielhernandez2575

Жыл бұрын

@@filipinodude5457 i wouldn't care if shaggy just acted like shaggy

@swindlesys

Жыл бұрын

@@filipinodude5457 tbh i wouldn’t give a sh!t if shaggy was still shaggy. everything about him was changed and now he’s just some nerd. i want the sloppy, possibly high, hungry, weirdo back.

Oh, no one deserved what they did to Fred. Poor Fred. So kind and gentle. You didn't deserve this dude. I mean... So... words cannot do you justice. They did you wrong. You'll be remembered. And this show will be remembered. For two very different reasons.

@ColyBaloneyCLBL

Жыл бұрын

They butchered the Mystery gang. 😢

@Jaybirdieblue

Жыл бұрын

My sweet trap-loving himbo didn’t deserve this 😭

@danialyousaf6456

Жыл бұрын

Nothing happened to him. What are you talking about ?

@micahcook2408

Жыл бұрын

Everyone go support Harley Quinn instead so they don’t cancel it 😂 because we know these studios love cancelling a potentially mid-to-long running series. Plus that show imo takes the “alternative” switch of these well known characters and uses it to tell a great story while also being kind of relatable to reality.

@TheBlargMarg

Жыл бұрын

@micahcook2408 yeah it's pretty much everything Velma is trying to be with much more likable characters. I love King Shark so much in that series.

So about the kissing scene between Velma and Daphne. It happened when Velma was having a panic attack and what Daphne did was she slapped her face and kissed her. And people on Twitter were saying how that is something you SHOULD NOT do to someone who is going through that. So that's another yikes from the show.

13:25 that grunt of anger. Never heard Saber do that.

The fact that Velma and Daphne kiss in the 3rd damn episode just shows the absolute lack of engagement even the creators have with this, like they themselves just want to have this done and over with. I’m thinking of Jimmy Neutron and how they spent _multiple seasons_ building up Jimmy and Cindy getting over their petty rivalry and eventually entering a relationship and how much more satisfying it was as a kid to watch them finally get together. I miss that level of long term story telling.

@PlahaKumar

Жыл бұрын

Jimmy Neutron was a classic.

@Envy_the_Darksider

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, I remember that. And I remember how them switching bodies helped start it too because when their friends were helping put them back in their original bodies, there was one trait that was convoluted and confusing where it was like "dislike of girls who dislike boys who dislike girls with (random trait) who dislikes boys with (random trait)." They got rid of that (it was obviously Jimmy's which made him keep up a barrier between him and Cindy) and after that Jimmy and Cindy actually started to slowly like each other in future episodes.

@sarahjamesinasarah6423

Жыл бұрын

@@Envy_the_Darksider “Extreme dislike of girls who dislike boys who dislike girls who dislike show-offy boys who dislike-“ “TOO *_CONFUSING!!_* JUST THROW THAT ONE AWAY!”

@g4mmalotus937

Жыл бұрын

I felt the exact same way about Danny Phantom! I loved watching their relationship grow, but even more so as they each developed as characters individually. Sam became much more than just basically a goth social justice warrior, she became a true ally for Danny and put her focus on the true greater good.

@archmagos1436

Жыл бұрын

not to mention that kissing someone nonconsensually is a TERRIBLE way to deal with a panic attack1

just so everybody knows, norville mentions he had a dog but he died of ringworm. Not only does this mean scooby might be dead, it also means hes a horrible pet owner because ringworm is very easily treatable

@mojododo6363

Жыл бұрын

Would have made more sense if he said that the dog found his stash of edibles & ate them all

@tarhumdonorstoriesforthebored

Жыл бұрын

damn he rlly did scooby like dat

@Angel_Alph-TV

Жыл бұрын

He just said ringwoom to cover up the edibles part

@cintronproductions9430

Жыл бұрын

Scooby, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

@noriii

Жыл бұрын

@@mojododo6363 not really funny though idk

13:49 sounds like the exposition song perfectly describes velma

5:55 I wanna see a edit where he says "The worst offender. She's black"

The blatant self insert of Mindy in the Velma reboot is giving me major “I Am Not Starfire” flashbacks 💀💀

@tavrosnitram1529

Жыл бұрын

no literally though, i dont know why i havn't seen anyone else say this!!!!

@brose-bg3ks

Жыл бұрын

ENDYMIONtv talked about that, he had a very interesting take on Velma

@realswobby

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking this too

@gshhsbshznjsksjsk3927

Жыл бұрын

Omg i forgot about that

@eclipsesnarl4079

Жыл бұрын

It made I Am Not Starfire tolerable. And that’s a miracle in and of itself.

"I identify so much with her character" says the person that completely changed almost every aspect of Velma's character.

@fieratheproud

Жыл бұрын

Sounds more like she projected onto Velma rather than related to Velma

@XxFloofyxX

Жыл бұрын

My oc is just like me!

@playfulpanthress

Жыл бұрын

Explain, in detail, what she "changed"?? Is Velma a nerd? Yes. Is Velma into solving mysteries? Yep. Velma is an archetype, losers. The original show set the pace. Her character has never been deep. None of them have been. If you've watched or read a newer version of these characters and they vibes with you, great. Every version will not.

@donutbevil9669

Жыл бұрын

@@playfulpanthress Let me guess. You moan before speaking.

@playfulpanthress

Жыл бұрын

@@donutbevil9669 Did you have stroke?

Am I the only one who noticed how Saber sounds like he's about to cry the entire time? And frankly I felt the same way seeing the Velma Show