Jim Cornette on The First Televised World Title Change
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From Episode 199 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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My great grandma, Eunice Kjellman(Kretz), used to make outfits for Gorgeous George.
@Millwall77
3 жыл бұрын
Was your great grandfather Swedish?
@thepublichousebrandcom
3 жыл бұрын
Very cool. I read the book about his life, it was really good 💪
@suzanneflowers2230
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. He was incomparable and your great grandma really added to his image.
@thetoxicwaltzer
3 жыл бұрын
Thats fucking unreal!
@nathueil1
Жыл бұрын
He ugly
I love it when Jim covers wrestling history. I was only born in 1994, so I missed basically everything that ISN'T WWF and WCW.
@Am0ment0fB
3 жыл бұрын
You missed all that good stuff too. Ha.
@arnavbhagwat4232
3 жыл бұрын
Same here. I was born in 2002, I started watching in 2008, so all I've seen live is the PG era, but I love learning about old wrestling. My fave wrestler at the moment is Ric Flair.
@kenrickeason
3 жыл бұрын
You basically missed everything.. then again you can go back and watch it all..
@kenrickeason
3 жыл бұрын
@@arnavbhagwat4232 My Favorite wrestlers are Ric Flair and Bret Hart..
@Smeeeeeghead
3 жыл бұрын
@@kenrickeason know a good jumping in point?
When I was a kid we only had 3 channels in black and white! We got NBC, CBS, and ABC on an antenna! And if the president was on you was screwed that’s all that was on!
@kenrickeason
3 жыл бұрын
I remember growing up in the Projects in the early 1990s Antenna was all we had.. So NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX and PBS was the only 5 channels.. Even back then if the President did a *"State Of The Union"* your ass might as well go outside.. Unless your family was middle class or rich then you could afford Cable TV which my friend's family had cause his Dad worked at a high paying job.. I use to go to his house and play videogames and watch Pro Wrestling on Saturdays at 5:05 central standard time.. I started becoming a fan of Pro Wrestling by that point..
@erikstorm8935
3 жыл бұрын
@@kenrickeason What about Public Access TV? The few syndicated channels as well. But yeah, having cable was tough back then if you weren't middle class.
Get any of the books Scott Teal has out. I've been friends with Scott for many years and his books are a wrestling history fan's dream.
@RedneckTaZ
3 жыл бұрын
@།།ཇ༠ ༠སཛ།འ༠ I suppose both Corny and I are saying it. Lol.
@tylermccune7092
5 ай бұрын
I tell people all the time, if you even remotely like wrestling you’ll enjoy his books
Nice to hear Don Eagle mentioned, as he was my father’s favorite wrestler after only Lou Thesz
Jim Cornette is covering wrestling history and I am *HERE* for it!
@JackG79
3 жыл бұрын
I really wish Jim had a "history of wrestling" podcast with Mr. Brian Last. It seems that besides Jim...Brian is probably 2nd most knowledgeable wrestling podcaster that i know.
@Copperstoned
3 жыл бұрын
@@JackG79 A podcast exclusively discussing the “history of wrestling” with Jim and Brian involved does sound appealing. I know this might be an unpopular opinion but including Dave Meltzer in the mix would be intriguing as well. Sporadically. His ramblings are actually coherent when it’s fact based events from decades ago and despite having a cluttered workspace, his wrestling knowledge has been acknowledged by both, Jim and Brian.
@timothycrosby4251
3 жыл бұрын
Same
@primerhombre
3 жыл бұрын
ALL OF IT!
@manuelper
3 жыл бұрын
@@Copperstoned I agree. As much as it pains me, because I cannot stand DM and his 'news', he is a very well versed historian.
More topics like this please
Jim you and Brian should get with a historian or other person who knows how to GENTLY scan the materials and put them into digital format so that you can store them properly and never have to worry about marking up the pages. And still have 100% unfetrered acxess to info.
@tammyforbes2101
3 жыл бұрын
It’s useless knowledge! Professional wrestling will be a stain on man kinds past soon just watch and see! I liked it for a time but now find it silly and embarrassing to watch! I’m embarrassed for them and for me for watching it! It’s that bad now!
@daveconleyportfolio5192
3 жыл бұрын
@@tammyforbes2101 I'm going to upvote you because I admire the frenzied urgency of your rhetoric. It sounds like something Steve Ditko would script for The Question.
@SAMagic
3 жыл бұрын
@@tammyforbes2101 True but what about the true believers out there? ;)
@dailyperson9519
3 жыл бұрын
@@tammyforbes2101 no history is useless on any subject.
This is the stuff that TOTALLY ELEVATES your podcast into a status All its own
This was awesome to listen to! I love hearing this kind of stuff. 👍
It's like finding a needle in a haystack. Some of these programs are lost forever unless 1 person was Kineiscope the show. That was the case with Game 7 of the 1960 World Series. Until about 20-30 years ago, the broadcast footage of the game was lost forever due to the networks not viewing games as high priority for preservation so they would just film over them. But Bing Crosby who was a minority owner of the Pirates, was so superstitious that he flew him and his wife to Paris to listen to it on the radio and had a Kineiscope of the game made. So unless someone were to have decided to keep a Kineiscope of a program and kept it safe, all we would have to go off of is eye witness testimony and possible Radio recordings
The big introduction of TV into Australia was in 1956 for the Olympics that were being held in Melbourne that year.
@shadormy6350
3 жыл бұрын
And that was only really for Sydney and Melbourne, Others were from Late 50's to mid 70's.
@erikstorm8935
3 жыл бұрын
Back then everyone wanted to visit Melbourne...these days everyone wants to leave it LOL.
The first Canadian TV station was in Montreal in Sept 1952 so the info was right. First live ice hockey game was a month later, Canadiens vs Red Wings (only 3rd period so not to hurt ticket sales). Radio-Canada (french version of CBC) showed live wrestling from Verdun Auditorium (Southern part of Montreal), then from the Montreal Forum where the Wednesday show Les Mercredi de la Lutte would draw 1.5 million viewers in mid50's for stars Yvon Robert, Edouard Carpentier, Johnny Rougeau, Jack Britton (Gino Brito's dad), Mad Dog Vachon, Little Beaver, etc.
Back then they called it Kinescope, today we call it a bootleg. Same technology.
@mauricemccord459
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent, you
Cable came to St. John's Newfoundland Canada in 1977 but didn't make to the outports until the mid 80s and that by satellite, they got VHF signal via Antenna and the signal was so bad that floor model B&W were still being sold (23" Zenith ) into the 80s lol
@mike04574
6 ай бұрын
Australian here, cable didn’t come to us until the mid 90s
That write up predicting the future of wrestling on TV, just wow.
This was an awesome segment, my father who is 92 talks about Whipper Billy Watson fairly often. Too bad they don't have a memory recording device, would be awesome to watch what he has seen.
Kinescope didn't make its debut until September of 1947. It was used up through the late 1970s because videotape was so expensive.
@Travlr013
5 ай бұрын
And Watson's win was in February. That's what you call "rotten luck".
These are my favorite types of videos!
Cool af. Cornette's reading of the newspaper really brought it home.
@davey3884
3 жыл бұрын
If you say so...lmao easily amused obviously
@dxcpt
3 жыл бұрын
@@davey3884 ... You just "lmao" at a comment about reading a newspaper .. easily amused?
After listening to the segment around 20:10 I think the CN Tower has to be renamed to “The Big Space Needle in Toronto” after Cornette
@maxand.1462
3 жыл бұрын
Hogan/Warrior wrestled in Toronto's Madison Square Garden
That ol geezer looks like that Muppet that sat up in the theater box with his friend and hurled insults at the performers
@redeastwood4850
3 жыл бұрын
I loved them. Statler and Waldorf I think were their names.
I don't follow/know much about wrestling history before 1980 or so, but it's very cool to hear people excited and passionate about something, how into this info Brian is, to learn something he didn't know, and for Jim to be going through in detail how the information came to him/was recorded. Very cool.
Please do more segments like this.
now i wanna watch something on the history of television
To answer their question about TV in Toronto, television broadcasts from the CBC began on September 6, 1952, with the opening of Montreal's, CBFT, and Toronto's CBLT. So Brian might be surprised by that, but it's correct. Mind you, Cable TV in Canada had about an 80% penetration rate by ~1975; the US at that time might have had 40%, if that. And thanks to that cable penetration, we got to see a lot of US wrestling from Buffalo and Rochester as well as our local stuff (and "bicycled" film from Vancouver that was broadcast a week after-the-fact on both Kitchener's and one of the Toronto stations). We got spoiled, right into the early Expansion era, because by then, we were also getting Stampede, Lutte Internationale, AWA and NWA Toronto (which by that time was more or less a spin off of Crockett), as well as WWF (and there were two or three WWF broadcasts then, too).
Jim's entirely correct about the doubtfulness of a surviving kinescope. I've read enough television histories to conclude that "kinnys" really hadn't been sufficiently developed as a reliable technological tool by Feb. 1947. The films that have survived, such as the rare DuMonts from this period, were very crude and "ghosty." And these were from around or after 1948. No recorded kinnys were made from the RCA television exhibit at the '39 World's Fair, either because all the research was based on the broadcast, not the preservation of programming. NBC recorded kinescopes of, say, Milton Berle's Texaco Star Theater, and these were shipped west for rebroadcast in the Los Angeles and San Francisco markets.
15:20 is why Travis created this beauty of a thumbnail!!
Brian your wrestling knowledge is astounding. I not only laugh with Jim and Brian but I learn also. And knowing is half the battle. Lol
"I'll tell that to the one legged waitress at the IHOP" 👏👏👏
@tremorchrist84
3 жыл бұрын
ilean
I keep on telling people Toronto Canada 🇨🇦 has a ton of wrestling history . The Building you are Referring too . Is Called the CN Tower . It was once the tallest Building in the World .
Can’t wait to hear Brian’s response to konnan.
My love of history makes this one of my favorite clips from this podcast. In Jim’s words... “I love this shit.”
Like below, something like this, 1st time Title changes in history, who or where or when would be awesome if Mr. Cornette & Mr. Last would continue them. I studied the entire history of wrasslin after becoming a mainstay fan in '87 & used to have a collectors dream in magazines & various historical compilations put out by the magazines. 👍🏻👍🏻
"When people still saw in black and white" - Jim Cornette
I'd like to hear you guys talk more about wrestling in the 40s and 50s. 👍🏻
Great clip! Love this stuff! 😌
What Brian was talking about as far as the quality of paper, it would be like the "pulp fiction" magazines back in the day.
Wow I learn a lot from you guys thank you
What we all like hearing.
GREAT TOPIC! I love when you guys discuss classic stuff like this!
Awesome info guys ! Long forgotten facts that need to be re-established !
How is it a "trick question" when Corney and Last are probably the only two people in America who even remotely know the answer??? 😅
@lo1bo2
3 жыл бұрын
Jim Ross may have a shot.
Omg the birth of tv wow. Great work Jim and Brian
THIS is what I wish Corny would stick to. Wrestling history golden nuggets like this. Not trying to tell me that modern wrestling sucks or making a career out of hating Kenny Omega. As a wrestling historian, Corny has no equal, but don't tell me what to watch or what I should like.
Yes, CBC/Radio-Canada was indeed created in 1952.
@Travlr013
5 ай бұрын
Well, CBC-TV; the CBC itself had been around since 1936.
Jim Cornette is equivalent to Wrestling history as Burt Sugar was to Boxing.
@msw8966
3 жыл бұрын
Sugar is not as talented but your right.
All true.. St. Louis was one or the first televised wrestling shows in that such area.. Love my town..✌😜
@damonmcfarland9364
3 жыл бұрын
weren't we lucky?
Love the classic wrestling talk, more of this and interviews with the greats of the past and less about the current product
What a great piece of history and what a way to Stump the Last
Great segment but I have to also say that pic is perfect
Can't wait to read these books. It's going to be a blast learning about this era.
@damonmcfarland9364
3 жыл бұрын
my hometown. it was really great days to wake up and watch WatC on Sunday morning at 11am in the 70s and 80s.
@King4sshole89
3 жыл бұрын
I envy that; that's an atmosphere I wish I could have been apart. So many stars, real stars, great matches and actual respect for the wrestling business. We'll never there again.
i love when Jim goes into the techinal stuff from TV wrestling, like him going through how he used to tape at home back in the day
I would like Jim to collaborate with somebody (maybe the Gentleman Gamer) to create a wrestling based table top RPG. He wouldn't even have to understand Role Playing Games just provide information about the territories, how they interacted (wether positive business, or feuded like the Poffos and the Jarretts.
i don't think toronto had an experimental tv station before 1950 CBC radio-canada went in the air in 1952, independant stations started after them once peoples had tv sets
The CN Tower didn't exist until the '70's.
Knowing a little general history about early TV, it's cool to bring younger audiences up to speed about old school methods of entertainment the way Jim does. Thank goodness KZread is around to digitally preserve surviving Kinescope footage from the Pre-Videotape Era ( roughly 1947 to 1956. ) Those interested might want to look up AMPEX. They were one of the first companies to produce 1st generation videotape technology. I just recently saw a 70 year old kinescope of NBC'S MEET THE PRESS with a 34 year old John F. Kennedy as the guest!
15:48 - If it wasn't kinescope, your best bet is to HOPE that somebody in 1947 at that event had an old 8mm or better yet, a 16mm home movie camera(both had color film as an option then). Either that, or hope that somebody recorded the footage off a TV screen and hope that the footage still survives if it even exists in the first place.
@bradpaton3927
3 жыл бұрын
So, a professional wrestling Zapruder, basically.
@Rjensen2
26 күн бұрын
It's possible. Somebody filming the Spirios Arion heel turn off of a TV is why it popped up decades later.
Is Brian Last Eddie Trunk's wrestling alter ego? They sound a lot alike.
@s.m.whiteII
3 жыл бұрын
Actually, has anyone ever seen them together in the same room? Hmmmm🧐
@brihev4355
3 жыл бұрын
Eddie Trunk is amazing.
@fatalsniper3413
3 жыл бұрын
You know why they call him eddie trunk? I heard it was because he had an elephant trunk in his pants
Should of been Abby’s ring name abdula oblong garter
The BBC broadcast a bunch of wrestling matches live from 1938-1939, and from 1946-1947. Is it possible a world title change could have occurred then? If not, quite surprising!
@diablofn
2 жыл бұрын
not really, title changes didn't happen very often
St Louis was a great town for wrestling fans in the 50s-60s. Because of the geography and early TV technology, St Louis and Toronto both got a bunch of televised wrestling from other territories. And nearly everyone wrestled for Muchnik at one point or another.
Good stuff
Loved this clip. Brian + corny = great content
Man, this kind of wrestling history shit is what got me interested in Cornette in the first place. This is what so many wrestling podcasts are missing, a genuine love for the history of the business.
I like how every now and then the illustrations go Flintstones.
The Stump Brian comment and the one following (21-30) nearly had me spit my drink out......
I love Historic Shit! Even if it's good or bad.. I like it all!
0:28 Stump Brian 🤣🤣
@brandonstark1062
9 күн бұрын
Funniest part 😂
Jim is the 24kt gold of wrestling..i grew up a huge fan of the midnight express, mainly because of their entrance music and bobby eatons blue and yellow tights with the shooting star 🌠 but wasnt a corny fan until the camp cornette days (mainly because my grandma and momma didnt like him, they thought he was too mouthy lol) anyway love this guys podcast, James E for president
Those guys who marveled at the concept of television at its fullest in 1947 would blow their minds out on the concept ot internet
@IanSane
3 жыл бұрын
And now TV is what radio was like once TV got big. So now the question is what is going to follow the internet?
@almightycinder
3 жыл бұрын
@@IanSane The Riddler's Box from Batman Forever, where it was projected in their mind.
@sabot4ge
2 жыл бұрын
Amazingly, the concept of the television used to appear on the Atlantic City boardwalk in the year 1919-1927. There was absolutely no sound, bad picture quality, and God knows what type of content was shown back then, but Boardwalk Empire has an episode that simulated a 1920s man reaction to a TV. I think he went inside of a booth, similar to a picture booth, and images were shown one after another in a primitive technological way.
Jim and Brian need to get this stuff put into history. It's been along time since I saw a pwi almanac so I think it goes way further than that we need you two to get with historians for the sake of pro wrestling history.
When was the 1st televised D.D.T.?
@Rjensen2
26 күн бұрын
It certainly wasn't by Jake.
Loved this.
13:30 They were right. 🙂
this is my favorite shit they talk about, stuff id never know to learn about without their knowledge
Great stuff! It's kind of sad when wrestling's history is more interesting than its present.
@chrischar9428
3 жыл бұрын
Try baseball
Thank you, Sam Muchnik.. R.I.P.
This is Gold!!!
I would love to see Jim Cornette vs Bruce Pritchard in a battle of Wrestling History to see who would stump the other.
@chrischar9428
3 жыл бұрын
Prichard is full of shit
@erikstorm8935
3 жыл бұрын
@Aaron Lassiter He knows how to do impressions.
Okay I"m in. O'Connor-Rogers. Right?
@crimsonmask5217
3 жыл бұрын
Okay St Louis. So maybe one of the Longson Managoff matches? Or Thesz-Longson?
@crimsonmask5217
3 жыл бұрын
Okay I'm going with Thesz over Longson.
@crimsonmask5217
3 жыл бұрын
Well pfui
Brian is an encyclopedia
I wish Corny and Brian would do more wrestling history reviews and say fuck WWE and AEW
Harry White. Now there's a name I haven't heard in years.
Thats lesnar on the TV in the pic
Wow can we see it ,,, can we see more..
Not a big video game person but I'd love an actual good wrestling game that focused on building your own roster and such with wrestlers from every time period. I know it would be a copy right nightmare but one can dream lol
@johnpenguinthe3rd13
3 жыл бұрын
Closes we LEGALLY got to that was the video game called "Showdown: Legends of Wrestling" (also known as Legends of Wrestling 3. Showdown was the third and final game in that series) for Playstation 2 and original Xbox during 2004. It covers wrestlers from the 70's, 80's, 90's. It's roster was almost all the major legends that were NOT with WWE during 2004. For the 70's that game had Bruno Sammartino (who was also one of the dominant wrestlers of the 60's), Superstar Billy Graham, Killer Kowaski, The original Shiek, Ivan Koloff, Ivan Putski, Bob Backlund (I don't remember to well, but I THINK you could switch him back and forth between his late 70's good guy look and his early 90's Evil Mr.Backlund look) Fritz Von Erich (granted, Fritz Von Erich is more of a 50's / 60's wrestler but wrestled in the 70's) Harley Race in his 70's look, and some others. For the 80's, they had Hulk Hogan in his red / yellow, Ultimate Warrior, Kerry Von Erich, Rowdy Roddy Piper, King Kong Bundy, Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase, Ricky The Dragon Steamboat, Mr.Wonderful Paul Orndorf, the Road Warriors, Sting (primarily in his late 90's "Crow" look, but I THINK his late 80's / early 90's classic "surfer" look is somewhere in the game) and several others. You also have some guys who became well known singles wrestlers during the 90's like Bret Hart, Eddie Guerrero, Sid Vicious, Sabu, etc. There are a lot more wrestlers (it's a pretty big roster. They even threw in Jerry The King Lawler and Andy Kaufman so you can have the two of them face off. LOL). I liked the game since you could have Bruno Sammartino and Hulk Hogan, both in their primes, in a match against each other and do other wild matches. Really good game (Showdown: Legends of Wrestling is so much better than the earlier two Legends of Wrestling games). Unfortunately, the game's owner went out of business just as the game released and WWE soon after signed TONS of wrestling legends from the 80's to legends contracts and did their own Legends of Wrestlemania game with 80's wrestlers in order to keep other video game companies from doing another Showdown: Legends of Wrestling game.
That was going to be my wrestling name if I ever lost a limb.
Corny and Last are fucking encyclopedias.
And today I realised I know nothing about wrestling!
Jim is 100% accurate of how late Western Europe and Canada got tv it's a little bizarre actually
The part I don't get is why anyone, even a big company would have a TV in 47'. A little 20 inch TV had to cost more than a car at that time and there's no shows airing at that time. Like Jim said, the first TV station in the area was just starting to test their equipment. So why would any company want a TV? What would be it's purpose at that time? A couple of years later I could understand. The TV station was airing content by then, but to own a TV before there was even a TV station seems like a waste of money. Was there already a station in New York and they could pick up signals from that maybe?
@erikstorm8935
3 жыл бұрын
Because people like moving pictures to go along with sound.
@Rjensen2
26 күн бұрын
Nobody had a TV that was 47 feet long. 😂
C. N Tower..... Put some respect on it lol
Please read old school stuff it's so cool
0:15 "sperm of the moment"
Kenniscope wasn't live recorded.. Then Koplar merged with Dumont.. Wrestling At the Chase was born...
@chrischar9428
3 жыл бұрын
Huh
1952 the first TV station in Canada in Montreal. May have shown porn. Just saying...
Mr. Wrestling Encyclopedia Cornette’ reeL’ Mcoy
Here before Jimmy Uso Racks Up a 5th DUI …… 👀
@brokefolkfabrication
3 жыл бұрын
it's just a work
@toxiciwctweets5191
3 жыл бұрын
@@brokefolkfabrication bro he is in prison 😑
@brokefolkfabrication
3 жыл бұрын
@@toxiciwctweets5191 prison or county jail? you don't even know the difference... he's out on bail
If i win the lottery. Im going to start a wrestling promotion. Id offer jim whatever he wants, to be a part of it. even if its just for council. Hes an encyclopedia of Wrestling knowledge.