'Don't judge a company purely on it's marketing budget' words of wisdom man!

@pierrex3226

2 күн бұрын

Its

You’re the best. I thought I’d drop it here once more just in case anyone had forgotten. 💪🏽

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

Thanks, I try!!

@phillyh34

2 күн бұрын

​@Dcrainmaker Ray aren't you going the tour this year to do a vid on the latest tech?

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

@@phillyh34 Yup, headed there tomorrow!

JetBlack are criminally underrated.

@joshuanicholson420

2 күн бұрын

Yeah most their products do the job well

@burgess_and_his_bike

2 күн бұрын

@@joshuanicholson420 I’m running the full trainer suite and it just does what I need it to do

@ryanhan4535

2 күн бұрын

I agree. I have 3 DD trainers and JetBlack Volt2 is the best.

So here I am 78 years old, quit racing 10 years ago but still enjoy listening to Ray’s reviews. Guess it says a lot about how good he is at reviewing these different accessories, etc. why I remember when he would right lengthy reviews on his website, and I’d think where does he find the time! Keep it up, I’m a subscriber Ray

I appreciate how you deliver your information: thoughtful, detailed and professionally enthusiastic. I’ve purchased many items after watching your reviews as I trust your opinion implicitly.

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

Thanks!!!

I have the original Zwift Hub and I love it. I'm not seeing anything here that would get me to replace it, but I'm happy to see JetBlack is still going forward.

@agent3012

2 күн бұрын

Same, though I would appreciate if Zwift offered a reasonably-priced upgrade program to the Cog v2 once it's released.

Finally an affordable trainer. Zwift trainer started cheap, then they kept raising the price

$400 for a quality wheel off trainer? I'm in! I was bummed when at first you said it was only compatible with Zwift, because I use Rouvy, but then when you said that I could take their mechanism off and put my own cassette on and use it with any app, I was happy again! I've had a Kickr Snap for several years now, and it'll be nice to finally have a wheel off trainer! Thanks for another quality "not review" and I'll be looking for your full review next month!

@xgymratx83

2 күн бұрын

Same for me… ready to get ride of my 6 year old WAHOO SNAP.

Heart rate pass through is a great feature. Means Zwift frame and ATV becomes a real option.

This looks amazing for the price, look forward to the full review of the final unit.

Nice product intro! Really appreciate your comment about not basing our bias on market hype alone. 👍👍👌

Thanks for the early look, very interesting and exciting product. Looking forward to adding it to my home gym setup later this year. Keep up the good work!

@MateHegyhati

2 күн бұрын

0:36 Poor Ray, he tried 😀

@colinrussell7587

2 күн бұрын

@@MateHegyhatipoint taken😊

@MateHegyhati

2 күн бұрын

@@colinrussell7587 Nah, it was just funny, especially after the Dura review embargo circus. 🙂

Big missed opportunity to use the Dr Nick "IT'S WHISPER QUIET!!!" from the Juice Loosener commercial 😂😂😂

Great Video! I am a kickr V5 owner and I would definitely buy this if Wahoo doesn't have virtual shifting for my trainer when this comes out.. Thank You Mr. Rainmaker!.. 😁😎

Killer review! Need a new trainer and the timing of this rocks!

Great video. Can’t wait to see your side by side reviewing: 9:13

Finally, we made it! Thanks for this video From VietNam with a much love❤

This is amazing! Great great product.

OK if the review on this product is good then I'm buying one in the fall. Thank you!

Thx mate. Needed this

Really cool stuff. I would definitely consider this if my kickr core ever died. 5 years with my kickr core and its still going strong.

Going to buy indoor bike, for sure based on what I hear from you 💪

The virtual shifting doesn’t really float my boat, it happy to hear you can change it up pretty easily

@danielhaynes

2 күн бұрын

My experience is that Virtual shifting is a game changer for Zwift tbh. Maybe unless your rocking fancy Di2 electronic shifters or something. Sooo much quieter, smoother, less wear on components and instant in game shifts in flat out sprints

@DL-mv8ii

2 күн бұрын

@@danielhaynes I've got Di2 and a Hub One. The virtual shifting is better.

Going to get this!

Oh yes! Very interesting. 😀

I’ve been burnt by jet black previously thanks to their lack of firmware updates. How many times have they promised to enable virtual shifting (play controllers) on the Volt V2 but still we wait.

@mtd87

2 күн бұрын

This. 100%. Does this announcement mean we finally do get an FW update with virtual shifting for the volt2? I'm not holding my breath...

@Teddyspice04

Күн бұрын

I would also love to know if we’re getting this firmware update on V2.

@murrayhealey4426

9 сағат бұрын

I can assure you virtual shifting on the Volt is coming. This September

When my Zwift Hub One finally dies, this new Jetblack unit will be my replacement. I’m basically sold on the USB connectivity and low noise.

Now that's a more reasonable price. Hope they ship affordably to Canada. 👍

@VincentGauthier-o8d

Күн бұрын

Hi Michel, A1 Sports is the official distributor of Jetblack in Canada and yes, the product wll be available in Canada! We already have many retailers bringing the product in store or online. We hope to see the product available in September.

Interesting! Ray, I've been eyeing the Kickr v6 which has a bit bigger flywheel, "ERG power smoothing" etc and is 875€ right now, but do you think this might be a better deal?

I have the exact same bike but in black. You’re the first person Ive seen with it haha.

If/when they add motion for this new trainer that will probably be what pushes me to upgrade from the Zwift Hub trainer that I am currently on (which I love).

Just bought a Kickr Core a few months ago. Originally, I wanted the Zwift Hub / Jetblack Volt, but missed out when Wahoo sued them both and Jetblack wasn't selling in the US (or at least not the Volt...?). The price is better, and I wish it had a handle like Jetblack included, even I don't even move it much.

I sure hope Rouvy adopts virtual shifting soon

Thank you

Wow, they have thought of everything

Nice, but my question is how to replace the Randonnee shorts once the stash of shorts all gets worn out. Any tips on that?

How is JetBlack revealing new Zwift hardware before Zwift? Is Zwift still working with them despite the Wahoo partnership? Could this have been the Zwift Hub 2?

@danielhaynes

2 күн бұрын

I think Zwift partnered with Wahoo just to get the lawsuits dropped tbh. Maybe they might jump ship again now

@iMadrid11

2 күн бұрын

It’s a collaboration between Jet Black and Zwift. Zwift writes the software. Jet Black builds the hardware. Both companies shares their expertise. Jet Black wouldn’t be able to release this to pre-production trainer to reviewers for testing. If there wasn’t any approval from Zwift.

I've got a functional TacX Neo, works great. Is it compatible with Zwift bike? Swap out the cassette with Zwift cog? Asking for a friend....lol. Great video.

I bought a JB Volt2, it had freewheel drag when you stopped pedalling that was so bad- turns out the tolerances were garbage on the spacer sleeve inside between the trainer bearing and the inner freehub bearing, allowing the body of the freewheel to be dragged by the spinning flywheel... so I got advised by their UK distributor to not tighten the end nut to the specified torque, or buy a new freehub at £60! (Err why not make a spacer sleeve with an additional .5-1mm length?!).... No firmware update to make it similar to the Zwift Hub either(Well they did- 10Hz and auto calibration then rolled it back because it didn't work...)....nah, I'll stick with Wahoo this is a Mickey Mouse outfit.... (I sorted the spacer out myself, got it running fine and still with a tight end cap)

Great video! Btw, is that a Galaxy Ring I spy 🤫

Looks like a tough package to beat... will be interesting to see what price the Zwift Frame (without the Core) comes in at once it is sold on own, could end up with a cheaper package pairing it with this instead.

I subbed forever ago. No idea why so many aren’t. CLICK IT for Gods sake! 😂

Welp. Now I'm contemplating returning my Kickr Core Zwift One and waiting till this comes out. Any suggestions?? 😅

Hey Ray, great content as always. One question: It seems that Zipp says using the front wheel on the trainer van damage them and will void their warranty. Those are Zipp 303s, right? Do you know if that's true? Or is it just a myth like when they used to say the same about using carbon frames on trainers? Josh Poertner from Silca also warns against using carbon front wheels on a trainer.

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

He's talking about front wheels in the Wahoo ROLLR I suspect, which is the only scenario that Zipp doesn't support. The rest is fine: support.zipp.com/hc/en-us/sections/5027016386971-Indoor-Trainer-Compatibility

@mmh129

2 күн бұрын

​​@Dcrainmaker Ah, got it! I misunderstood it. I thought by "unsecured rear wheel" Zipp meant wheel off trainers. Thanks for clarifying! What Josh says is that the sweat can create corrosion where the carbon touches aluminum/brass contacts but that's a different issue.

Sorry for an unrelated question but, how do you like the ALU BMC compared to other ALU frames or even the carbon BMC team machine if you've ridden that ?

Is it any more stable than the kickr core? Because my core is flexy as heck

locked into Zwift? so painful swapping the cog and cassette all the time

Looks great. Any news on virtual shifting support for the Volt trainers?

@steve-d0

2 күн бұрын

Last time JB said anything it was “coming in new firmware update in December 2023”. We are still waiting.

@mtd87

2 күн бұрын

@@steve-d0 Which is frankly ridiculous, considering the zwift hub is the exact same hardware...

@lellotrello2338

2 күн бұрын

​@mtd87 I read someone posting about their exchange with JB support and according to them, they have been waiting for Zwift's approval. Would make sense with how Zwift tries to lock down their platform

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

They confirmed today that the work is being done concurrently with this, taking longer than they/Zwift thought, and will be released later this summer when this gets finalized.

Could this trainer work with the new Elite bike set up with the elite cog?

I need the cog v2. The cog v1 was kinda terrible. I just went back to the normal cassette and use virtual shifting with the play controllerrs

But will that Zwift cog work with 3rd party apps? I am personally done with Zwift so unless they open up their API to 3rd parties,all these new hardware pieces are just landfill for me (and many others that have abandoned Zwift).

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

Nope, at least not at the moment.

@beanbaguk

2 күн бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker I'm concerned that Zwift is trying to become the next Peloton by locking users into their hardware ecosystem, raising prices significantly, and doing so at the start of summer when many users typically pause their subscriptions. Although it's winter in the Southern Hemisphere, only about 13% of the world's population lives there. As a cyclist, I’m willing to invest in my sport, but not if it means being tied to a single platform. I believe many others share this sentiment. - Zwift Cog: Great idea. Zwift only. Pass. - Zwift Controllers: Great idea. Almost bought them. Zwift only. Pass. - Zwift Bike: Interesting idea. Fixed crank length, no climb support, and only works with Zwift. Pass. For significantly less, I can buy a Kickr Core, a 105 cassette, and a decent second-hand road bike. I can then add a Kickr Climb and use it on any platform. If I’m concerned about controls, I can simply use my iPhone. ($50 for a tablet stand? You can find them for around $20.) If I wanted to go all out, I could purchase a Kickr Bike for as little as €2,000, which can be used on any platform. Zwift has yet to turn a profit, even after significant growth during lockdown, and they now seem to be panicking by trying to lock in and disadvantage their users. A serious management shake-up is needed, otherwise, I predict their demise sooner rather than later.

@VincentGauthier-o8d

Күн бұрын

you can put a standard cassette and use it with any apps. Still a fantastic deal.

Can we expect a Zwift Ride version that includes this trainer?

Will the Cog v2 be available individually? I am familiar with the mediocre alignment on the Zwift Hub but don’t want to buy a whole new trainer to fix it….

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

Yes, September timeframe.

First Suunto, now Jet-black 👍

Does this come with the 1 year zwift subscription? Otherwise the price may be very close to the kickr core

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

No included sub.

God willing they sell this in Canada. Zwift hub was never available for sale here. Looks like exactly what I need!

@VincentGauthier-o8d

Күн бұрын

Hi, A1 Sports is the official distributor of Jetblack in Canada and yes, the product wll be available in Canada! We already have many retailers bringing the product in store or online. We hope to see the product available in September.

“We are the 20.1%!”

So the virtual shifting does not work with other apps, but does it work without ANY app? As in, I just connect my head unit to the trainer to record, and set the resistance to 0 which I normally do, and then I can virtually shift? Or that doesn't work either? Because if it doesn't then this is pretty shitty, furthering Zwift's dominance.

@VincentGauthier-o8d

Күн бұрын

The virtual shifting is only on Zwift. You can replace the COG with a cassette and this will act as any other trainer and compatible with all apps....so this is still a great deal.

@messi9991

Күн бұрын

@@VincentGauthier-o8d meh not if I'm paying in part for the virtual shifting part. Or indeed want the virtual shifting. It's a neat idea.

Not available in Europe or the Uk?

Awesome, so this should also work with ROUVY?

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

In ERG mode, yes. But not in SIM (simulation) mode unless you swap out the cassette.

How this compatible with garmin head units? Shifting/trainings etc

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

Yup, follows ANT+ FE-C, so no issues there.

zwift only is good to know.

This is the biggest reason not to buy a Kickr

Hmmm think I will be selling my kickr18 to buy this

Does the $400 include a year of Zwift? That would be an insane value

@josep9599

2 күн бұрын

@@RyanWilkersonM nope sadly so it’s comparable in price to the kickr core

@RyanWilkersonM

2 күн бұрын

@@josep9599 thank you for your response. The price definitely makes more sense now. Still impressive considering the increased profit margin zwift has from including a program that costs virtually nothing to include with the kickr core. If I was in the market, this would be at the top of my list and I’d probably just throw on a cassette and use it with MyWoosh since it’s free. I am locked into Zwift with my kickr core/zwift one until at least February but may consider putting a cassette on after that and switching once my membership ends.

Such a shame that brands are prioritizing Zwift. Zwift having a monopoly will lead to crazy subscription costs.

What’s the fan in the corner?

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

Ironically enough the JetBlack fan. Just been there a few months or so.

Will it work with Rouvy?

@tripleb7232

2 күн бұрын

Ahh ok it doesn’t. I’ll stick with a real trainer. TACX NEO 2T❤

Can I use virtual shifting standalone?

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

Requires Zwift running.

@Tethysmeer

2 күн бұрын

That would have been the only reason to upgrade from my old elite fluid. Don't understand the logic to force people to Zwift.

Why is the pice in € so much higher? It doesn’t really make sense imo.

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

VAT tax is included, which is roughly 20% in the EU and inclusive, versus in the US, that's charged afterwards.

@maartenrigole4540

Күн бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker makes sense like that 🙂. Thanks!

Wouldn't it be nice if JetBlack made a power meter? They completely disrupted the trainer market, first with the Zwift trainer, and now this. I realize the two products are "adjacent" and not really comparative, but if they used their engineering and tech capabilities, maybe they could disrupt that market, too.

8-12 speed.. damn I was hoping I could hook up my 5-speed on that cog :-(

Why would anyone buy anything else?

I got up today and nothing was changed. What gives bro?🙄

The flywheel looks pitiful, less than 5 lbs at most. In comparison, the Kickr V6/Move flywheel weighs 16 lbs. The difference is quite noticeable and easily felt.

@decoherence926

2 күн бұрын

yes, at 4 times the cost. who cares, it's all indoor cycling. can't fool your brain

@Dcrainmaker

2 күн бұрын

The Flywheel size is 10.3lbs. Remember: Size isn't the only thing that matters in flywheels. Specifically, the routing of the belt/gearing matters (like a pulley system). Almost nobody can tell the difference between this and the KICKR when it comes to inertia.

Really don't give a rat's ass about Zwift anymore. Indievelo is a new king of indoor cycling! Any trainer that is only Zwift compatible is out of my interest.

Goal for Eurobike 2024: find Hambini and review him

Zwift? hell no

First