Jonas: "It's as if some people think that just because you're humble, you can't have ambitions. But I have ambitions. I have an ego,' he emphasized in an interview with Euroman. "I just don't want to be the one who talks loudly bragging about it. Then I'd rather let the legs do the talking.'

Chapeau Jonas..I called it from the start

Vingegaard is on an extremely high level, even better than last year. Now it sounds like if Pog just did that and that he would have won. That's just speculation. Vinge deserves some props here. Third guy is over 10 minutes behind!!

@ninapjust7165

11 ай бұрын

it is never a Jonas victory but always a Tadej loss. it is still baffling to me that Jonas is talked about this way. Last year Wiggins called the race over in the first week and gave Tadej the victory This year even befor the Race started Jens Voigt said Jonas had zero chance of winning the tour.

@thomaskellyiv9406

11 ай бұрын

Agree I think focusing so much on the “something has to be wrong with Pogacar narrative” really discredits what Jonas has done

@marcushanemann2510

11 ай бұрын

First of all, Jonas deserves to be the 2023 TdF Champion. But it‘s also obvious that Pog & Jonas, If both are healthy, really close to each other. Except TT & downhill skills, Jonas is slightly better. But If you consider Pogs age, what he did over the past 3-4 years, not just winning the TdF twice, he is ohne of his kind. Pog can literally win everything, wheter Jonas is a typically GC rider. The good news is, they are both so young and I am pretty sure it’s just getting started!

Focusing so much on the idea that something has to be wrong with Pogacar really discredits what Jonas is doing. Pogacar was 2nd fastest in the entire field in the ITT yesterday and Jonas blew him out. He’s tired and worn down. Jonas has just handled the grind much better this third week.

Vingegaard’s technical skills are amazing, his bike handling on the time trial was second to none.

@cruchot555

11 ай бұрын

His FTP numbers in the third week of TdF are even more amazing. We haven't seen numbers like that since the days of Marco Pantani in 1995. And we know his story.

Jumbo showed the world how to beat Pogi in a grand tour. They already showed it last year. Let him sprint for 1 or 2 weeks, make him tired and wait. Pogi doesn‘t like higher altitude, hot weather and steep gradients. Jonas is the perfect man for that job. Respect to him and the team!

Don’t cry for Tadej, he said that he would rather win TOF than the TDF this year, and he got his wish. He has already had a fantastic season by almost any measure, but if he feels disappointed and defeated from his TDF performance, that will be good for him. That is how he will get the motivation to get better. Lance learned to focus by facing death from cancer and being abandoned by the sport. He came back and won 7 TDF in a row. Jonas learned to focus by packing fish for a living. This is how character is built. Until now professional cycling has been a video game for Pogacar, if he is a true champion (and I still believe that he is) he will come back stronger than ever from this.

This is the real podcast, no Lance stuff, no Lance golf or F1 comments, thank you Johan & JB. Maybe you can ad George here perfect show

@TempoKemp

11 ай бұрын

Amazing how people always have to say something negative. Why not just thank them without mentioning Lance?

@lbanderson40

11 ай бұрын

Mainly because he/she was stating why this show was better. It was because there was “no Lance”. How would u like him to state it without mentioning LANCE. Duh!

@maddexq9107

11 ай бұрын

You do realize that Lance is the glue that holds the ppl you named together? I don’t disagree, however. I like this analysis without Lance who thinks he is so much more clever and funny and interesting than he actually is.

@timschreuder8090

11 ай бұрын

​Keep ur petty frustrat 13:20 ed about ur life comments to yourself. Its really quite easy to not watch something you do not like​@@TempoKemptry positive comments on things you do like. Nobody cares about your frustration about whatever. Try something positive, because nobody cares about some1's crying temper comment

@maruparra1963

11 ай бұрын

@@timschreuder8090I think you’re the one being negative. She only stated why she liked this program. Agree to disagree

Vingegaard said around a week ago to the Danish media, that this stage and perhaps also to a lesser extend stage 16 would be decisive of who was going to win the tour. It would seem that he was right. According to a Danish TV expert/former tour rider who was out there himself to get a "feel" of stage 16. he got passed several times by Jonas, who was out there doing the most difficult parts more than once, to be even more prepared. Pogacar on the other hand spend most of that day resting, and he has done no other time-trials this year, to prepare for this, unlike Jonas. Jonas has simply been more focused, better prepared and taking advantage of his lower weight and having refined his technique, leaving Pog's brute force behind.

@paulogryzek4740

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's decisive when you are doped to the gills and you know no one else will take the chance

@aspen424

11 ай бұрын

@agffans5725 Pogacar win the Slovenian national TT (also uphill)right before the Tour by over 5 minutes

@BenjaminUbayyed-po9tc

11 ай бұрын

@@paulogryzek4740 I am very good at reading people--not that has any meaning to you --and I can't see Jonas doping. Don't forget--he was discovered on Zwift. The team saw his numbers and signed him right away. Maybe but I just can't see it

@agffans5725

11 ай бұрын

@@BenjaminUbayyed-po9tc .. You do know that his lower weight is a huge advantage in the longest and steepest mountains ? If he was going to wear out Pog it was going to be on stage 17, that Pog also has had difficulties with Col de la Loze before.

@agffans5725

11 ай бұрын

@@paulogryzek4740 ... If Jonas is doped, then why did he only finish 4th on this stage, almost 2 minutes behind the best ? lets be honest here Pog was not even close to be able to keep up with top 15 on a stage and Col de la Loze where he has also been in trouble in the past.

Tadej got Jumbo Visma'ed. His fitness was in question, Jonas attacked him early, then made Tadej work to get time back, while Jonas just kept him is sight. Jonas historically is best in the 3rd week, Tadej burn too many matched early trying to get time back

Now the French fans will start to like Pogacar.

Vingegaard is just amazing! The last two days just proves that Jumbo knew what they were doing and Jonas had the legs to finish it. What a rider he is. Can’t wait to see what response Pogacar will bring next year 🟡

@glywnniswells9480

11 ай бұрын

UAE is his biggesr obstacle

@YONATOOTH

11 ай бұрын

@@glywnniswells9480Yeah, I think UAE made a mistake in their tactics and preparations. Yesterday Jonas knew every corner on that stage.

@Minifliek

11 ай бұрын

@@YONATOOTH Jumbo has been vastly superior to UAE for years, they just lacked the guy who could really beat Pogacar. Jumbo Visma is taking what a team does to the next level in terms of technology and preparation. UAE has money but Jumbo has money and a vision.

@tolstoyed

11 ай бұрын

they don’t need to know what they’re doing when they have vingegaard. it seems he can do everything with ease

@larshansen4557

5 ай бұрын

Before the startede jvm called stage 16 and 17 and 20 amazing hov the plan worked

Every year during the tour of France I listen to 3 podcasts: the move, la movida and JB2 . Thank you for so much insight

TJV set a high pace from the start. I thought it was a crazy tactic. In hind sight, they wore down Tadej and UAE for 2 weeks and then drove the stake in on the time trial. If Tadej is ill, it is likely because the pace was too much for his body to handle. No disregard to him. His palmares this year are astounding.

@thomasandersen1784

11 ай бұрын

Spot on. Jonas and Jumbo has prepared the Tour in the last year, and there plan was exactly to wear down Tadej P. It showed last year, that this could be the way to win again.

i really look forward to hearing johanns thoughts on each stage his insight is amazing i am glued to his every word congrats on a great podcast

Felix Gall certainly is the new rising star.

@larshansen4557

11 ай бұрын

Yes and auzo ofcource everyone want its only vinge and poggi , it has been in thre years , but like them other can computer, love it,

What a incredible hard stage,. Love both shows and all of yall make these such great shows that I look forward to everyday. 🚴🥵😊

Another really good show with excellent insight & analysis from Johan. Thanks guys!

Is difficult to talk about Vingegaard performance to JB. He loves Pogacar ❤️

@9outlier

11 ай бұрын

I love Pogachar, too. Something about Vingo rubs me the wrong way?

@user-yq7rt2qb4y

11 ай бұрын

@@9outlier seems like pog fans usually think vingo has no charisma bc hes so self-contained and shy, but those exact things are what make me love jonas

@isaksidenius7059

11 ай бұрын

Because he is a humble good kid thats a former fisher? I dont get it he is a grounded dane but not so Wild like pog is.

@rulifaller8474

11 ай бұрын

It is not just him, it is a complete religion which most people in the cycling community follow. Pogacar will win every race he enters. If he does not win, something must be wrong.

@huttonsdubai411

11 ай бұрын

@@rulifaller8474😂

Flanders Belgium is the only area in the world with more cycle enthusiasts per capita than in Denmark:)

Vingegaard just showed how great of a rider he is, and you guys spent the whole podcast talking about pogacar.....

JB2 is the best analytic cycling show on KZread👍

This was exactly what we could expect... So far (the first two weeks) the Tour stages have been in favour of Pogacar, but despite that Vingegaard was already in the lead. Before the Tour I expected Pogacar to have a minute on Vingegaard on last Mondays restday. In December when we did have the Tour presentation, everybody knew already that Vingegaard did only have two stages in which he would be the real favourit. And that's what happend. Jumbo-Visma has been keeping the pace high this entire Tour to wear out Tadej Pogacar, they learned their lesson very well in the Tour of 2021 and 2022 where Vingegaard was also stronger than Pogacar in the last ten days. On top of that the only two stages that did suit Vingegaard more than Pogacar were in the last days. All respect to Tadej Pogacar, he is by far the best rider in the World. But that doesn't mean that he is also the best Grand Tour rider... It is very clear that Vingegaard is the better TT rider and climber on the 45+ minutes climbs.

@HouseMD519

11 ай бұрын

Completely agreed. This was what Jumbo was working towards the whole Tour by making the stages as hard as possible, because they knew Jonas had the better stamina and the best ability to recover after hard stages.

@Minifliek

11 ай бұрын

Tadej is amazing and does well everywhere, Jonas is very specialized and constructed to win the TdF. I also don't know if Pogacar is the best rider in the world, I think van Aert is better but his greatest strength is a weakness in grand tours. But people like van Aert and van der Poel dominate all cycling disciplines.

@maddexq9107

11 ай бұрын

@@Minifliek- Pogacar has shown he can win grand tours as well as the hilly one day monuments and classics. By the end of his career, we will likely be comparing him to the likes of Eddy Merckx. Don’t disagree that Van Aert and Van der Poel are special cyclists also who can win in multiple disciplines (cross and road).

@lws7394

11 ай бұрын

​@@Minifliek lol ! Pogacar is still wearing the white jersey. And has 2TdF wins, 2(?) nr 2 finishes and wins in the monuments Lombardia, Flanders, LBL as well as wins in Strade Bianche , Amstel Gold and Fleche Walonne. Plus a top 4 finish in San Remo ! I don't think, in my lifetime, I know anyone that age with such palmares, ... Before , Merckx , but not even Hinault or Anquetil . And Van Aert is amazing , but not a grand tour GC rider, because he is a heavy weight .... So that is not a weakness. What he does all over the year is simply incredible

@larshansen4557

11 ай бұрын

Agree he lost every 3 week , Even when vinge didnt know howgod he is in week three , hee knows know 🙃

Two Tours. Two late blow-ups on long climbs at altitude. Know who didn't blow up both times? Jonas Vingegaard.

@larshansen4557

10 ай бұрын

You shoud now whats were gonna happend, jv was calling it already in the start of the race and he did , , gr just have to stay in the race before week 3, then ge finish it

High attitude, high temp ,and week 3 , thats All in favor for vinge,

Yes, a huge mental blow. He showed amazing form until his crash and injury in Liege - Baston -Liege. I thought for sure he would win the tour this year plus he dropped Vingegaard at will almost in Paris-Nice and 2-3 times in the tour. The new strategy with fewer attacks compared to 2022 was working. And then you do an amazing time trial expecting to take yellow, but no, a super human performance lets JV keep it. And now today. I didn't notice something wrong during the TT but the image Johan shows with his empty look, demonstrates that something is not right. And that cold sore at his mouth. All this happaning within two days and your justified expectations to win this tour after an amazing spring and 2 week performance in the tour goes away. Tough luck.

Pogi has done his time, he’s beyond amazing, but there a new Sheriff in town Jonas. 😂 UAE needs to get over it, no one wins forever.

That padded wall on the descent, is something I would like to see more of

Jonas would be first rider to win Tour of the Basque Country, Criterium du Dauphine & Tour de France in the same season.

@Montrealcycling

11 ай бұрын

Whatever

@HolgerDanske874

11 ай бұрын

@@Montrealcycling I think you're in the wrong channel, this is about cycling.

@Montrealcycling

11 ай бұрын

@@HolgerDanske874 whatever

@larshansen4557

10 ай бұрын

@@Montrealcycling whatever, shows he is strong i guees , but your poggi is altso strong so dont cry🙃

@Montrealcycling

10 ай бұрын

@@larshansen4557 What Ever

Modern day cycling is begging for a change in the jerseys. The white and yellow are becoming redundant. Eliminate the white and bring in the Silver jersey for the best old rider (32 and older). Give these old timers a reason to race.

Pogi was doing somersaults in the pool three days ago and on today’s stage he was fine. Somehow he was ill in between? He wasn’t ill, he was beaten

Pogacar illness could be mental. After all, in the last to days he must have to start doubting if he is still the goat, at least about grand tours. Coming to terms with that is very hard. Overall, he is still the best allround cyclist in the world. But when it comes to grand tours, Vingegaard rules for now.

@Penasta

11 ай бұрын

Still? He never was the goat to begin with.

@dirgsuite5546

11 ай бұрын

@@Penasta He is/was generally considered as the most complete rider of the bunch with the wins to back it up. I do believe, Vingegaard has taken that title concerning grand tours over from him.

It is crazy how these people supposedly riding on empty can still average 9.8 mph climbing 9% for 4.5 miles

I think Pogacar probably knew that Jonas is much stronger than him and even from last year. He expects to win ITT, so when Jonas dusted him 1.38, I'm sure he knew that Jonas's power was way above his limit. It's kinda sad to watch him crossing the line 7 minutes down, it makes you realize he is still 24 yrs old. Watching Marc Soler give him a pep talk at the finish line, no more the aura of invincibility, just a kid who had the worst day on his bike. Also, I thought it was a tape too... but isn't that the band of his bib? The band starts from on his pants and goes over his shoulder

This feels like when Remco clearly looked unwell at the Giro and folks were saying he "quit"

Cold sore treatment which really works in Cinnamon Oil in a Carrier oil (Olive Oil). I got really bad immunity to cold sores so spent years trying out all these things and found this the best. It'll clear up the cold sore in a couple of days. Sure you got Gianetti on speed dial

Imagine Roglic (Ineos), JV (Jumbo), Pogi, Remco alæ battling next years tdf

@HouseMD519

11 ай бұрын

Roglic won’t stand a chance in the high mountains against Jonas and Pog - he got dropped by Thomas in the high Giro mountains this year, and Thomas was so incredibly far from the level of Pog and Jonas in last years Tour.

@andrewreale1419

11 ай бұрын

Sprinkle in Crod (Movi) and Ayuso (still uae) as well.

That’s why he said Flanders was more important than the Tour, it would have been Merckx-esque w a tour win in the same season.

Looks like we might see Pogacar at the Vuelta this year!!!

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Pogacar is sick either with Covid or some other infection. A similar fall from form happened this year to Remco in the Giro

@glywnniswells9480

11 ай бұрын

Looks like thats whats wrong

Lets not just give it to pog if he had ideal training. Vingegaard has shown 2 times now that he is by far the best in the third week. Now would he have won by much? Maybe not but we Will see next year when pog goes 100% after tdf. Also Vingegaard is 2 years older and wont ride for many years so i Think Pog could still get 5 or 6 tdf even if he does not get the next 2-3 tdf, he is still Young!

Something is definitely off with Tadej. I saw that chicklet on his lip last week. Never a good sign of viral infection. If he's on antibiotics that screw ya up big time.. 🚴👍🏻

@ShawnStradamus520

11 ай бұрын

I saw it too

@tvsmed

11 ай бұрын

now you metion it I wondered about it. They must know in the team he's maybe not 100%. Hope he gets to Paris with his 2nd place intact. Or 1st if JV has really bad luck.

@luma3163

11 ай бұрын

Every rider is „sick“ in the third week of a grand tour.

ASO are making sure we dont get the one giant showdown at the TDF, Remco, Roglic, Pogacar, Vingo and Almeida.

Pog Is number one in the world and pleas come back Allan Peiper

Agree 100% with Johan here. TdF is by far the most important race in cycling - nothing compares. This is why I have never understood how Chris Horner (until yesterday) kept calling Vingegaard the no. 4 rider in the world. If you win TdF you are almost per definition the no. 1 rider - and if for some strange reason someone else can be considered instead - the reigning TdF champ is a least the no. 2 rider in the world. That race alone makes you qualify.

@nelly-gu2qq

11 ай бұрын

You are not number 1..if the tour is the only thing you do best.

@stevenmeyer9674

11 ай бұрын

@@nelly-gu2qq Who won the Critérium du Dauphiné this year? I must have missed it.

@nelly-gu2qq

11 ай бұрын

I would feel bad if he didn't win that. There was no competiton there lol

@leenpels7646

11 ай бұрын

​@@nelly-gu2qq You're talking out of your rear end lol. Is Adam Yates suddenly a nobody?

@meibing4912

11 ай бұрын

@@nelly-gu2qq maybe for you - but ask any of the pro peleton riders and they will disagree. More people watch TdF than all other pro tour races combined - and it is the most watched yearly sports event in the world(!). Also, you have to do very many things exceptionally well to win TdF as Jonas demonstrated both last year and this.

If pogacar is sick, why did he jump around in the pool, throwing off a show for the cameras?... Jonas is Pogacars downfall.. Jonas is just stronger.

@ericneubauer5345

11 ай бұрын

Pogi definitely sick and that fact doesn’t take away from Jonas’ performance. Jonas and Jumbo trained and focused robotically on the Tour, Pogi didn’t. Now you can tell.

@cristinafaria154

11 ай бұрын

Indeed!!!

@stevenmeyer9674

11 ай бұрын

@@ericneubauer5345 Stop with the excuses and insincere compliments.

@stefand5034

11 ай бұрын

Of course you can look sick if your physical body shows symptoms of wear and tear. Hence the saying "Pogi's cracked!"..there is a limit of the body can hold up carrying you to the finish line, tdf is the ultimate tester of that limit, just swallow the sour pill and move on

@user-yq7rt2qb4y

11 ай бұрын

@@ericneubauer5345 whats "robotically" doing in there?

It simply looks like Pogi gave to much in the early part of the race to reduce time to Vinge, he overdrove. That simply shows Vingegard is the best rider in the Tour.

Jonas Vingegaard💯💪

Pog said in the post race interview that he ate alot after yesterday's stage so it was not an energy issue but that his legs just never recovered from yesterday. So likely he is just ill. Hopefully he recover because it would be sad to see him drop at this point.

@glywnniswells9480

11 ай бұрын

If he is ill he is going home. Its very common for young riders to peak then get sick, colds, infections etc like Remco at the Giro still won a TT then fell off a cliff.

@ShawnStradamus520

11 ай бұрын

I’ve been noticing a cold sore on the left corner of his mouth gradually getting worse for the past 4/5 days. That happens when your resistance is low…

@douglastong3208

11 ай бұрын

I don't know if 2nd place would be a disappointment for Pogacar, but UAE could still have 2nd and 3rd on the podium in Paris, not to mention the White Jersey. Hope he is able to hang in there.

@stevenmeyer9674

11 ай бұрын

there is an old saying that athletes make. "if you're sick you don't play, if you play you aren't sick" There are no excuses.

@stevenmeyer9674

11 ай бұрын

@@ShawnStradamus520 Dude, please say you aren't serious.

I was waiting for someone to mention the visible cold sore...

Johan said it. Pogi is depleted, worn out and driven into the ground by Jonas and the strongest team in the Tour. Cold sores only show their ugly faces when you are broken.

Don't be dramatic folks. Jonas is a great rider without a doubt. The focus was on Tadej bc there was something clearly wrong about him. He didn't get dropped when it's just him and Jonas head to head, but when there was still a group of GC riders. He was off for some reason. I was personally happy to hear insights of potential reasons. So thank you so much for breaking that down.

If Primoz wins Vuelta, TJV will have swept all 3 Grand Tours in the same season, has any team ever done that?

no cars on that final 7km of the Col Loze, its a bike path not a driving road...

Maybe the climb wasn't steep enough for pogafart...Like he has said in the stages prior😜😅

Pog not getting any sleep He's worried sick this is a metabolic and psych issue

Agree with Johan about the incidents with the motos… I’m only surprised there isn’t more issues with them because it’s not easy riding under 10 mph with a passenger on the back with the insane crowds to deal with. ASO are deflecting the blame by issuing bans to the moto riders, but it’s because ASO doesn’t want to dip into it’s profits to make the course safer. Unfortunately the TV commentators also sell the ASO line as they typically blame the motos too because I’m sure they’d be soon looking for a job if they criticised ASO

Did Pog bonk or did his first week aggressiveness finally catch up w him?!?!

@HouseMD519

11 ай бұрын

Or did the Jumbo Visma tactics of making the race as hard as possible for him to tire him out pay off?

@BSnicks

11 ай бұрын

His gf must have brought Covid to him. I am serious!

@cyberbeat11

11 ай бұрын

Tour of Flanders

@5508Vanderdekken

11 ай бұрын

Both?

@heddeaudio1689

11 ай бұрын

I say empty storage of glucose.

Maybe Pogi just didn’t work as hard, or wasn’t as prepared as Jonas, why can’t it just be that? A lot of people who loose say they’re “sick” don’t know if I buy it 🤷‍♀️

Johan is right.. it started on the stage with the motorcycle blockage.. he was in a daze at the top where Jonas easily jumped him

I'm worried that we will soon get a more calculated/robotic/BORING/sky-like Tours... Because Pog's "crazy" riding is clearly not paying off...

Surely the easiest (as well as cheapest) way to reduce the number of people on key mountain stages the organisers could simply close the roads early, as they did in one of the TDF stages this year.

Pogi doesn't like the heat! I think that's the problem.

@stefand5034

11 ай бұрын

True that, some people don't even break a sweat in hot days, they float like sail boats on any given climbing heatfest

Pog has been mismanaged

@larshansen4557

10 ай бұрын

Same said last year , I just think he is the strongest in almoust every race , but poogi fans , he has a limit, and thats high and long mountins in week 3 , thats what we have been seeing last 3 years , anyway thaths whatt happen

Who's jonas coach? He is the champion

Pogacar seems unwell, crash could have also effected him...or reinjured his wrist.

It is possible that Tadej was sick since Friday. It explains why he only attacked with 500m to go and on Sunday was bought back after the attack. And Jonas kept looking behind all those stages actually expecting Pog to attack earlier. About the TT. We all say Jonas was lights out because WVA got also beat by a minute + but WVA was spent throughout the race..he looked like he was gonna die after the finish. So Jonas rode well but it was Pog who was down.

@carlosgaspar8447

11 ай бұрын

WVA had a sluggish cadence compared to his normal self; and it showed today when he dropped back earlier than expected.

That brightness from his face that is gone, i think there was a few guys like that at UAE, i think there may be a team nutrition plan that went bad. Something is missing. Sunjen eyes, pale .... something is not right

Keto vs carbs. Poga looks to have more body fat. And it seems his musles are very bloated/inflamed "I ate.. And it did not go to the legs"..Sounds like insuline resistance. Boardering type 2 diabetis. Vingegaard still has good musle definision = no inflammation. So he must eat less carbs/more fats so that his insuline is still effective.

did anyone notice that 77 riders didn't make the time cut? Why didn't they follow the rule and cut them?

@theantichrome9842

11 ай бұрын

Because there was 77 of 'em.

@cgtnetwork

11 ай бұрын

You can't remove 77 from the race, the bunch will be reduced to nothing. Will be like a break away group everyday. There is definitely safety in numbers in these situations.

@HolgerDanske874

11 ай бұрын

No? Everyone made the time cut. Time cut was 46:16.

Thank you for respectfully pronouncing Pogachar's name correctly. It irks me that LA and Hincapie continue to accentuate the first syllable of Tadej's last name. Maybe they think it's "cute" or funny, but it's not. Grow the F up. And I'm a huge fan of them and expect better of them. Transcend. Namaste, my brothers. xoxo

I agree with Johan. Pog is not right and hasn’t been for several days now. You can see it in his face. The bags under his eyes and he just isn’t riding his bike right.

@ShowMeThePony

11 ай бұрын

In fact, I’ll be surprised if he makes it to Paris.

Not even one word on Jonas?

I think Pogacar is over-trained and now sick. They should pull him so he can rest.

So winning the tour is like crack for the professional cyclist. just have to have more

cmon fellas, get JB a better mic.

It is clear that a robotic approach to Tour training (Jonas) is winning over Pogi’s peaking two or more times throughout the year. He has to solely focus on the Tour and a post-Tour season. Can’t win the Classics and then kill it at the Tour and win against Jumbo.

@larshansen4557

5 ай бұрын

Jonas have 15 vins in pree tour ,its not likehe didnt race😂

I am very disappointed with the show. Jonas Vingegard wins, and the show focuses not on the great achievement of the great athlete Jonas is, but on the Pogacar, who lost. Pure "what if" speculation tantrum. Looks like a meeting of the Pogacar's elderly fanboys.

I feel so sorry for Pogi. He and Jonas make TdF such an enjoyable thing to watch. It is clear by now that Pogi is not his usual self and the fact that he is still able to retain his overall position as second just goes to show what an incredible athlete he really is. Jonas seems in some ways even stronger than last year but on the other hand, Jumbo has clearly been focused on wearing down Pogi this year, knowing that Pogi's preparation and fitness were never optimal for this year's TdF. After all, his hand injury probably prevented him from making the proper preparations for the 2023 TdF. I sincerely wish Pogi a speedy recovery and hope he will be able to complete this TdF.

You should change the name of this podcast to "The Pogaca fanboy show" - unless, off course, Lance already has dips on that. Come on guys 🙄

He is not mentally ready for 21 stage yet. Too much waste attacked in the first week.

@iamjustsobody3991

11 ай бұрын

he literally won 2 tours, the first he won on the last stage, what are you talking about?

@hoodyps

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@raskolnikov1242

11 ай бұрын

He did 3rd at the Vuellta winning 3 stages for his first race ever at 19 years old.

Oh boy! Here we go. Now comes the excuses about the Pogacar bad performance!😅

Pogi had no altitude camp either...but still that would not have saved him..They designed this Tour for Jonas...Pogi knew this stage didn't fit him like a did Jonas that's why he was optimistic or upbeat in any of the interviews...he saw the writing on the wall

Kkkk😂

why is no one talking doping?

@xtrailz

11 ай бұрын

Because Lance Armstrong is not there

@HolgerDanske874

11 ай бұрын

You mean Pogacar got sick of a bad blood bag?

@larshansen4557

7 ай бұрын

Beacause they Are tested in head and ass every day , so No nead

5% faster is a way above being just better. This needs to be explained. Either Jumbo or Jonas comes forward and provides some reasons, or people are going to speculate which is not good for sport. It would be great if Johan can comment on this due to his experience with doped winners. Faster bike, aero helmet, fish oil... are marginal gains that do not explain the difference. All those guys are at the max training mode and 1-2% is acceptable.

@tenpinDK

11 ай бұрын

Idiot

@RAAZR-

11 ай бұрын

Funny comment. You want it explained while also debunking all the things explaining it. He took 2 secs in the first corner alone. Jonas did one of the best sports efforts ever and it can all be explained as it already has on twitter

@5508Vanderdekken

11 ай бұрын

Lol oh, only 1-2% is acceptable? Good to know, all knowing sports physiologist. Why don’t you start by watching a side by side of tadej and Jonas TT yesterday and tell me what you see

Now he is ill? Excuses excuses. If you are not fit to compete don’t join the race. It’s simple. Disrespect to Jonas and other competitors.

@maddexq9107

11 ай бұрын

@emenz3820 - Riders get sick all the time during grand tours. The physical stress on the body negatively affects the immune system making them more susceptible to viruses and/or other infectious diseases. So you comment about it being disrespectful to compete if you’re sick is silly.

@larshansen4557

10 ай бұрын

If he is sick it cant be jv doing it , he can vin , but I dont think it in his power to make poggi sick , sorry poggi fan , it cant be anyones fault ,

Lol, once Johan start talking about why they can't fence off the stage I knew they would play the climate card which is true Europe is hook line and sinker on the world is ending or they have to do what the world economic forum says .

35:50 Johan calling out the woke bullshit