beautiful and courageous downhilling and cornering by Jonas. Well deserved win.

Pogi has only been better at 1-2 km attacks, was wheeled in when he tried 3 km …today was 22 km.

Jonás made his homework 📚 perfectly. Tagej just enjoy pool time.

@TheProfyx

11 ай бұрын

if you believe that youre just a dummy at that point.🤡

Very rare to see Bruyneel surprised by anything.

@awake-notwoke6473

11 ай бұрын

He knows blatant doping when he sees it. Shame he and Lance dont bring this up on their podcsts

@telmolicious

11 ай бұрын

@@awake-notwoke6473Bruh 😂 They’re in no position to do with with their cover ups and any sane person knows that the top riders dope. If u don’t wanna watch doped athletes then don’t watch any sport where it’s so dependent upon aerobic or Anaerobic output.

@tyrannosaurusspeck8918

11 ай бұрын

@@telmolicioustrue, but the explosion over the last few years has been insane. I read that jonas did 7,6w/kg for 13:20 min from beginning of tt climb to finish which would be more than pantani ever did and therefore the most in cycling history. At this point i am scared we are going to see a rider die of a heart attack or something like that

@telmolicious

11 ай бұрын

@@tyrannosaurusspeck8918 U cant compare a short tt performance to a pantani effort on a long mountain stage.

To me Jonas looked like he was hungry to win, Pogi looked like he didn’t really care if he won tbh

The problem for Pogi is that the third week is usually Vingo's strength..

@Gaggerlotion

11 ай бұрын

That’s certainly true

Wow listening to Bruyneel describing his crash makes you wonder what GINO was thinking! RIP GINO. God Bless!

Thanks guys! I really enjoy your work!

Thank you! This was electric

Bartoli Doc is on Peacock, great stuff. Thanks Johan!

Best TDF commentary and analysis on the net. Period. JB Hager is a fantastic host and really brings out Johans best.

First time watching this. Well done. Great stories from Bruneel

Pogi can Sprint Jonas out by 4 sec but Jonas is Like Pantani.jonas can keep The pace loooong time and you see at Stage 17

its always a pleasure to see what he thinks, getting the inside scoop.

First time I’ve listened, brilliant guys very interesting and entertaining

The only other crash over a wall on a downhill that I remember is Peter Sagan, who also came back up and continued riding. Thanks for sharing, Johan. Amazing story!

@LarsRyeJeppesen

11 ай бұрын

Look up the clip of Mattias Skjelmose during Vuelta last year. Replica of Johan's. You can hear Skjelmose yell "just give me a bike". Insane

Pogi hopes for rain.. lol. Jonas is from the most Windy & Rainey part of Denmark. 💯 Rain is no problem for Jonas almost better. Stay safe 🤘🇺🇲🇩🇰🤘

@thomaspetersen9991

11 ай бұрын

Yes it Rains here 280 Days a Year 😅😅😅

@heliumtrophy

11 ай бұрын

I'm going to see this as the official "we disown Jonas" post if he has a nightmare in rainy conditions (My comment's tongue in cheek so don't worry)

Such a nice moment when Van Aert took his hat off for Jonas

Jonas was with his wife and daughter, on the rest day, and said to Danish TV, that this made him loaded with love and ready to fight. He was really loaded, ready, flying that TT, fighting for showing he´s dominance. It worked. Cheers from Denmark

Great fotos of the young Johan! 👏🏼 5400m of climbs tomorrow?!? Mamma Mia 😧

Love Johans insight.

Mad props, Johan. You just cared about a new bike. awsome

At the start of the ITT, Pogi looked pale & unwell. He had a cold sore in the corner of his mouth which could indicate stress, fatigue or illness. I want to see Pogi win the tour & I hope he can bounce back but the next stage will be crucial.

Jonas is a model professional. Pogi is pogi.

@fredthompson9814

11 ай бұрын

You’re a pogi. Vin is a drug user

this effort by JV appears to be equal to that of Floyd the day he went off early and crushed the field. I still don't think this is over, the Col Loze is tough and the decent into the finish will be hard.

@pizzahunter808

11 ай бұрын

Does it? He smashed the TT last year just let off the last 2k to let wout win. Took way more risks, short TT with climbs was always going to suit him vs the heavier pog

@thomaspetersen9991

11 ай бұрын

Its Jonas The 28 km climb 😅😅.pogi is 600 meters and 4 sec

@Minifliek

11 ай бұрын

@@thomaspetersen9991 Yup, Pogi needs to go hard and fast and see if he can hold on in the last climb. But if he goes on the final climb the long wind of Vingegaard will win.

@curtvaughan2836

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I also thought of Floyd Landis' crushing win, only to be disqualified for doping soon thereafter. I hope doping isn't in the current pro-cycling field.

What do you think about Sepp Kuss 13th place - quite good after the crash Sunday.

@Minifliek

11 ай бұрын

I think he had a great TT but I did expect that from Kuss

@curtvaughan2836

11 ай бұрын

Sep Kuss is a great lieutenant on a great team. I don't know if the timing of his career will allow him to become a GC contender. It would be great to see him win at least one Grand Tour.

Actually, the Tourmalet is not as high, only 2115 meters.

I wonder what the time difference might have been if Pogacar had followed Vingegaard? Pogacar seems to me motivated by immediate competition with other riders, but leading out ahead of his prime competitor gave him no metric with which to find motivation. Oh, how about those old early 90's non-suspended mountain bikes! As per Gino Bartali, I recently read a biography of his life, both before, during, and after WW2. He indeed was a hero on his bike in all three phases of his career - a great man, actually. He was able to do his war time feats on the bicycle due to his high reputation as a racer, established before the war, in Italy.

@Minifliek

11 ай бұрын

I do think it would be closer but I also feel Vingegaard is stronger uphill, especially if it goes on for longer.

@KyleBigler

11 ай бұрын

I’m not sure it would have made any difference. Pogacar went before Roglic in 2020 and blew him out of the water. Also, he was receiving real time updates on Jonas during the ride today, so he knew he was losing time. Pogi himself said today he went all out and was on his limit the entire time.

I remember that crash and what made me remember is Johan looking for a fresh bike to continue… man they don’t make them like they used to …. chapeau Johan

@LarsRyeJeppesen

11 ай бұрын

Skjelmose in the Vuelta last year. Insane clip

Gravel and MTB's are going crazy wide with bars.

@silasrobertshaw8122

11 ай бұрын

its interesting because the current meta is that narrower bars are faster. I just find them way less comfortable.

I recon Wout was told to do a 90% ITT to save for the following days

TDF 2024 will be even harder for Pog to win, since there is a possibility of Roglic, Remco, and healthy Egan on the roster. I wonder how Pog vs Jonas will go.

@BSnicks

11 ай бұрын

..and a 35km time trial on stage 21.

For some reason, on Johan crash video, the cameraman decided to focus on the sky.

@heliumtrophy

11 ай бұрын

There was a lot of pushing and shoving there

Wout apparently slow paced the first part to through off Pogi

@jbhager8662

11 ай бұрын

damn, that's a killer theory

How come no one is bringing up the deja Vu!! Pogi did this to roglic and now it happened to him!!!

Hi everyone Some stats for u. Since 2021 JV and TP has rode 8 ITT against each other here are the facts and numbers TP 4 wins JV 4 wins 4 short under 15 km TP 3 wins JV 1 win 4 long plus 15 km JV 3 wins TP 1 win 1st week ITT TP 4 wins JV 1 win 3rd week stage race ITT JV 3 wins TP 0 They are both very strong ITT raiders, some of the best in the world(only specialists better). The stats so far show a clear picture. When they go head to head in ITT, TP will win when they have fresh legs.(JV has only won 1 time against TP and that was in basque 2021 ITT but only with 9 seconds . JV wins in 3rd week ITT. TP has never won a ITT against JV in a 3rd week ITT. JV is the best ITT in the world after 3 weeks racing in my opinion. Which means that to make the tour GC interesting(close) in the future, the ITT in the tour needs to be a 25-30 km ITT in the start of the tour. Then TP might gain 30 sec or maybe a minute on JV/and then bad/cold weather in week 3, then we will get a close Tour de France. Im from Denmark and of course want JV to win but I love TP very much too, but without the above mentioned, I really think that TP will have big troubles winning against JV. And we all really want a close Tour de France no matter who ones favorite is. In 2022 JV would have won with 5 minutes if he had not sat up before the climb in the ITT to give his friend WWA the win and this year a win over 7 minutes. Next year If both are at their best I think Jonas will win clearly. Since we have a long ITT on the last day and TP will probably loose 1-3 minutes on that ITT, and TP has never taken minutes on JV in the mountains. Sidewind or coubble stages are his only chance to take minutes and with JV strong Jumbo team it's unlikely to happen. I really don't think TP will win the tour over Jonas if he does not skip the classic season and this might not be enough anyway. We will see I think he will eventually try this strategy once at least. But damn we live in exiting times. I have followed Tour de France since the mid 1980s and we are so blessed to have such gifted talents right now(JV, TP, Remco, WWA, MVTP and PR) All 6 writes history in their own way that will be remembered in years to come. The discussion the worlds best is in my opinion not that important. but if I have to give u my take on it right now(the last years results.) 1. TP, 2. JV, 3. WWA, 4. Remco, 5. MVTP, 6 PR, 7. Mads P. TP will probably go over in history as the best overall raider after merxc. IF JV keeps evolving and can keep this level for the next 5-6 years Especially if he wins Vuelta this year, then he has a chance to win plus 10 grand tours and become one of histories best GC raiders of all time. With Remco we will see. I don't see him beating JV or TP in the mountain in any near future. Damn im looking forward to the Vuelta. Remember to enjoy this speciel times and keep your self respect by following the example of JV and TP. Have respect for each other and have a bit of class. Let the best legs and tactic intelligence win.

On the basis of the ITT, Jonas is looking even better than Remco as a time trialist. It is surprising then that he is not on the Danish team for the WC ITT.

@LarsRyeJeppesen

11 ай бұрын

The course doesn't suit him at all

Jumbo dont leave anything to chance they planned this result from day 1. They have taken effort planning over the whole 20 days not day to day. Roglic produced the same effort stratergy. Keep the gap close, reduce your load and then smash 1 big day.

Vingegaard has looked better in the flat and descent the whole Tour

In comparison, How about taking away all the bonus seconds Pogi got. What is the differece between Johus and Pogo ? That is a better showing of whos stronger

Tadej is going to Landis the field by at least 4 minutes tomorrow! Victory is at hand!! 🚴👍🏻

@pizzahunter808

11 ай бұрын

2020 all over again lol #Dopacar

Hearing the great story of Johan’s off the cliff crash, I think you guys need to make him a new T-shirt with a « See you in the bushes » 😂👍

What if WVA purposely went a little slow to artificially impact Pogi when he compared time hacks?

@josebernardoduran4897

11 ай бұрын

WVA probably don´t allow that

@Minifliek

11 ай бұрын

Seeing Wout cross the line he didn't have anything left, but it was a lot of elevation in this short TT and Wout is not as fast as those 2 on this surface.

@LarsRyeJeppesen

11 ай бұрын

You apparently didn't watch it.

Allan Peiper is focusing on fighting cancer.

@heliumtrophy

11 ай бұрын

All the best to him on recovering if he can.

Only chance now for Tadej is if Jonas doesn`t recover after that penomenal effort in the TT.

Was Jonas saving legs last weekend for stage 16 and 17??? He cooked Pogacar during stages 13, 14 and 16 and now showed he looking the last week.

@ronnie5329

11 ай бұрын

Jonas always is better in 3rd week, but he did come in better shape than last year. But so did Pogi

MAYBE POGI IS PLAY POSIUM , we know he can climb too still a couple stages to come lots of climbing involved . l say lets wait n see !!

35:50 this seems obvious 1947 is when they restarted and if they even ran in 1939 at all it would have been at knifepoint type of tension and stress of the impending war...... Yes Bartali was RIGHTEOUS AMONG THE NATIONS for his actions during the war, and he was so obsessed with Coppi doping that he drove out to the mountains in the middle of the night to find a water bottle he'd thrown away during the race to have it tested.... Yes that's right, he had someone mark where Coppi threw a bottle away😆😆 or is this rumor

How long before test results come in ?

Poggie wont win another TDF if he focuses on a spring campaign. Have to be hyper focused on TDF. Jonas is going for the 7 😂

@oliverleigh9854

11 ай бұрын

on this rate another doping scandal will hit the sport. what we saw today would've destroyed TT specialist from the EPO years. And Jonas isn't a TT specialist.

JB2 please also recall Cadel Evan’s TT. He was flying!

must be the girlfriend.

@BSnicks

11 ай бұрын

If Pogi fucked his gf last night. Then blame it on her. Males should not have sex before an important performance.

@Gsp_in_NYC

11 ай бұрын

@@insinty I mean she is on his ass...not sex. blah blah---in his head

7.6 watt pr kilo. No question he is on something.

@henriknielsen1662

11 ай бұрын

Du kan jo læse danske aviser, så du må også vide, at Jonas har en fysiologi, der er i særklasse selv for topatleter

@srenpetersen1681

11 ай бұрын

@@henriknielsen1662 som er så meget bedre end alke andre atleter? Så naiv er jeg ikke

@Soli11

8 ай бұрын

@@srenpetersen1681 Det tal er falsk. Folk med mere troværdighed har regnet det til at være mellem 6.9-7.1.

@statskontrollant

8 ай бұрын

@@srenpetersen1681 Nej, du er komplet STUPID!!!

All I could think at the end of the tt was that they may aswell give Armstrong those 7 Tours back

@BSnicks

11 ай бұрын

So who was doped? Vingegaard or Pogi?

@Trigger394

11 ай бұрын

@@BSnicksboth. One guy emptied the bag in the vein last night 😂

@marmotsongs

11 ай бұрын

Lance didn’t get scratched from the books because he doped. He got scratched because he got caught. Jonas hasn’t.

@silasrobertshaw8122

11 ай бұрын

@@marmotsongs he got scratched because he was a giant asshole, and then he got caught. Every single challenger he had got caught for doing as well. He was the most successful too, so he was the obvious target for the ban. That said, they should put all those guys back in the books. UCI and the rest were all ignoring it for two decades.

Reminds me of Bjarne Riis. Don't buy the large margin he beat Wout's time in the flat section before the final climb in that short of distance!

No comments by the guys of the possible elephant in the room

D O P I N G

First. 👑

The silence from the panel re PED’s is deafening. No way Jonas just did that clean.

@Gaggerlotion

11 ай бұрын

How could you possibly know?

@henriknielsen1662

11 ай бұрын

@joeblack7469: I have about as little basis for accusing you of being a serial rapist as you have of accusing anybody in the TdF of doping.

@joeblack7469

11 ай бұрын

@@henriknielsen1662 you don’t know me or anything about me. I do however know, JV’s weight, his Vo2, his power, wpkg, the times he’s putting in… and I know all that in relation to all that I know about WVA…….and I know all of the above in relation to cyclists who have admitted they have doped, go on, tell me it’s tech and nutrition improvements?? Athletic greens maybe 😂😂😂

Vin is on drugs. Good drugs.

@SlobodanSchumacher

11 ай бұрын

First one who is not afraid to say that

Everybody who knows cycling and who is not biased because he is (JV, Vinge) fan or Danish citizen knows, this cant be legit! Maybe this can help: Most of the doped riders from the past got big jaws and wider ears, because of using too much performance drugs. Now look Jonas face... Maybe you can tell us more about that JB, but they probably wont allow you...

@bohansen4724

11 ай бұрын

Buhuu I want my mommy…pogi didnt win😂

@mrsewe417

11 ай бұрын

Maybe this can help too. Most people with small brains go to the comment section and throw conspiracies and accusations around.

@ronnie5329

11 ай бұрын

Cry harder😂 always the doping accusations. Pogi and Jonas are both clean, they are scared to attack more than once in a stage, they are clean

@NosyNorseman

11 ай бұрын

What an idiot 😢 Jumbo can’t even make Jonas drink ketones as the rest of the riders.

@frugalferg

11 ай бұрын

With all that's gone on in cycling I understand your scepticism. But pog and jonas are two fantastic and decent young men. They are always surrounded by their families after the races. I just can't see either of them letting down their nearest and dearest, I just can't see it. They're two phenomenons. I honestly don't think I'm being naive.

Doping

@NosyNorseman

11 ай бұрын

Was expecting this from a frenchman, perhaps i should not be surprised it also comes from Americans who systematically dope all their athletes from youth and up. Plz document the smoking gun you have on Jonas, we all would like to hear your deep thoughts 😊

@BSnicks

11 ай бұрын

OK, so if Vingegaard was on juice. What was the rest of the peloton on?

@bexplosion

11 ай бұрын

If your hero doesn't win someone else must be cheating

@trebleseamen

11 ай бұрын

Salty loser mentality. Accept defeat or stay crying in your corner.

@colinheidtman6923

11 ай бұрын

@bexplosion I’m a fan of the American riders thank you. But my comment was across the board at all, putting up times that wouldn’t have been achieved in the ulrich, pantani, Armstrong era.

I could not shine Johan's shoes in terms of knowledge. But, there is something wrong with Pogacar. They are matching the "king of doping" Lance @ 7 watts per kilo but no one says sh_t. Let's see Vingeagaards numbers and discuss.

@ronnie5329

11 ай бұрын

🤡

@bgorg1

11 ай бұрын

Look at Jonas’ body. Freakishly slender and flexible upper body and thicker legs. The denominator is weight and Jonas is so much lighter than doped winners