Thank you, enjoyed this very much.

I am following the chanel and all the recent interviews has been resulting very intersting; new perspectives available for roundness the concept/idea.

The modern (western) way of viewing the mind is that it is a product of a bodily organ and by that implying that mind is dependent on matter? What if the body and the world is a product of the mind? What if the question of mind-evolution is an afterthought and an mistaken attempt to pin it to a nature of interdependence with an inherently dualistic nature? What if mind cannot be given an evolutionary dimension and does not fit within the confines of time and space? What if all that we experience through our faculties is taking place within the confines of the mind? What if nothing can ever be proven to exist independently of mind? What if we have been looking at the idea of mind from the outside instead of letting mind come to know itself from within? What if mind is all there is and ever will be? What if awareness and awakening is ever present in a non-dual reality and time and place is an afterthought and a mistaken understanding of reality? What if there’s no beginning nor an end to mind? What then …?

People and some scientists try to explain everything by physical mechanics, by physical science. It has to be recognized that there is a mix of physics , botanical physics and to a very great extent a metaphysical component. Acquired beliefs and convictions and parameters by which we judge everything. That they act in conjunction at a speed which is yet incomprehensible in order to bring out color, scents , format etc etc of the resulting product which is by no means a mechanical - physical product either. The brain is a motor ...yes, with possibility of memory and fantasy based n experience which it has received back and is mirrored in its neurons. . NOt all it produces is correct because there can be imbalances of the various inputs for a reaction. Experience brings priorities into these functions , which bring diverse results. That is why an experienced deer is more likely to escape from a predator. Anyway, what is the meaning of correct analysis ? It is our brain which has been twisted into beliefs and deep impressions through pain and joy examining other brains which have also been coached and twisted with diverse experiences, desires and even cultures. . Alternative thinking in the extreme has to be applied to find out ?!

The idea that Americans have been angry with Jared Diamond for stating that humans living in primitive societies are more curious or just as intelligent as "us" floors me. Like nurture is what makes for smarts. All of "us" are those people inside, we just grew up learning complex social systems. Ugh.

Could anybody explain to me what is said about wheat, sheep and so on at the very end? I'm not a native speaker, so I couldn't get that part right...

@visicircle

3 жыл бұрын

He's referring to the "environment is destiny" hypothesis. He argues westerners were very successful because they were part of Eurasian cultural exchange, and obtained a lot of technology form other societies, such as new farming methods, crops, domesticated animals. His theory is persuasive, but it only goes so far. A lot of data is left unexplained.

jared Diamond makes some interesting points, but many are quite debatable.

@justgivemethetruth

3 жыл бұрын

such as?

@thetruthoutside8423

2 жыл бұрын

Well, what your objective objections to what he said. I think it is similar to Joseph Campbell work in mythology that he explained the commonalities between all of our species due to the same experiences. The western hegemony is in itself a product of capitalism and its roots in the crusaders at least in its relationship to the Middle East.

I found the title a bit confusing. All I hear is a discussion about how environment explains mind. There is no mention of evolutionary psychology at all.

Did he visit New Guinea?

Can we push and start getting into looking at the brain as a type of fractal? Can you interview a visual mathematician?

@visicircle

3 жыл бұрын

I think you would like the work of Douglas Hofstadter. He makes this very argument. Check out his book, I Am A Strange Loop.

Currently, American culture pressures its members to reside in the shallows of media-driven popular culture while subsuming their own intrinsic thoughts and values. Unaware even that they are making this trade off, they then regard their shallow selves as their true selves. Besides causing all sorts of neuroses, perhaps this helps breed a tendency in those who succumb to this to need to be superior to other cultures and indeed the past.

We will have other theories, if we comply other theories..so, no, I am always bigger, the beginning is always ahead..

I liked this video, but it was a shame it got lost in the weeds of speculating on the social affects of technology and controversy over a single page in his book. Where's the explanation suggested? The content seems to belie the title.

Shocked to see so many negative comments on Jared. To me, his GGS makes more sense than any other books on human history

@danoization

2 жыл бұрын

the guy is a psycho who hates almost everybody

Awareness is known by awareness alone...

@arnekim1922

3 жыл бұрын

woha dude

Hopefully video calls will restore face to face communication

The fact that this type or field of psychology is known as ," Evolutionary ", I believe, would predict that the phenomena described by this discipline would adapt and change as environmental conditions require. This then would predict that this process is ongoing and everchanging, as are all aspects of our universe. Perhaps portions of our psychological functioning have been shaped by the environmental requirements of the changing physical and social habitat of a group, or a series of groups, of our ancestors. Could it be that our current psychological adaptations are the latest evolutionary attempt to facilitate, and maximize human well being , while minimizing human suffering? And anything that's " evolutionary " is not an end product, but the current expression of an ongoing process driven by necessity.

@roqsteady5290

3 жыл бұрын

"the latest evolutionary attempt" There is a rather common, but fallacious implication here that evolution has an intent or agency bent on improvement. But that is not how it works at all. Evolution by natural selection is not a force that attempts to do anything, certainly not alleviate human suffering. Rather it is just a term for the fact that due to minor differences in genetic make up, not all organisms are equally well adapted to their environment and on average those that are better adapted have a higher probability of surviving to reproductive age and having offspring. And you also have to appreciate that biological evolution is a very long term process that can not have had a very significant effect over recorded history - rather any major changes in our behaviour would arise because we have sufficient plasticity in our minds to allow significant cultural change in different environments. That is why human children have such a long development and training period in childhood and different cultures have widely divergent practices, but underpinned by the same basic behaviour set.

@russellmillar7132

3 жыл бұрын

@@roqsteady5290 Understanding the process of natural selection as that which favors certain characteristics and behaviors over others according to survival value, the designation of a field of psychology as " evolutionary " would indicate a study of environmental imperatives that select certain types of psychological functioning over others. Being that our environment is, has, and will be undergoing physical and social changes, our psychological functioning will be selected for accordingly.

@roqsteady5290

3 жыл бұрын

@@russellmillar7132 "It (evolutionary psychology) seeks to identify which human psychological traits are evolved adaptations - that is, the functional products of natural selection or sexual selection in human evolution." Excerpt from Wikipedia (other definitions say much the same). I can not decipher what this latest sentence of yours is meant to mean, it is more of an obfuscation than a clarification, but my argument was with your original post: "Could it be that our current psychological adaptations are the latest evolutionary attempt..." (no it could not), which suggests agency on behalf of evolution (and lets not equivocate on what that means) and carries the implication that our current psychological development from hunter gatherers is evolved adaptation, which would have been comparitively insignificant in the few thousand years since then. Also there are still some remaining tribes of hunter gatherers and when they become integrated into our society, their is no suggestion that their social skills or psychology are very much different to anyone elses - And vice versa Jared Diamond was just as chatty when he lived among those people as they were (according to him) and no doubt those hunter gatherers would be little different to city dwellers if they were equally well acclimatised to cities... The changes in our behaviour over the last few thousand years are largely cultural adaptations to new circumstances not evolved adaptations - our minds are very flexible in this way.

@russellmillar7132

3 жыл бұрын

@@roqsteady5290 Does this indicate that there would be psychological traits that are not evolved adaptations or products of natural selection ( What is sexual selection? selective breeding? )? I agree that there is no agency and no intent driving NS, sorry if the way I worded a sentence led you to believe that I think that. If there is no suggestion that the social skills and psychology of present-day hunter gatherers are no different than present-day agriculturally based humans, that may indicate that psychological traits in humans are not subject to a changing physical and social environment. Maybe we're hard wired to behave as we do and the field of evolutionary psychology needs a new name.

@lucassouzaferreira

3 жыл бұрын

@@russellmillar7132 " ....that may indicate that psychological traits in humans are not subject to a changing physical and social environment." Sorry for jumping in uninvited, but as good as Rod Steady's explanations were (and they were very good), I think there's one piece of the puzzle missing if you want to understand why NS doesn't lead to what you said. See, for NS to occur, nature (as in "natural") needs to select certain traits by granting a greater reproductive ability to said trait. It's not survival per se, but survival to the extent it leads to greater reproductive success. However, I don't think there's any evidence that the psychological traits associated with modern societies lead to greater reproductive success within those societies. I'd go as far as to say that most of the psychological traits that lead to what we'd call success in life lead to less progeny, not more (and keep in mind that many of these traits can be traced back to nurturing/education). To sumarize, our psychology was certainly shaped by NS, but this happened over way longer periods of time than what we call modern history and under the harsh natural circumstances needed to select for it. The lack of any "suggestion that the social skills and psychology of present-day hunter gatherers are no different than present-day agriculturally based humans" only speaks to the plasticity of the brain, nothing more. As an aside, you may have heard that humans are still evolving in modern societies. Well, we are still changing, sure, but this is not NS but rather the lack of it. NS forces the genetic pool to become ever more concentrated in terms of beneficial genetic traits by keeping certain phenotypes from being able to generate as much progeny as others. But what happens when one's chance to reproduce is not diminished, no matter how ill adapted one is (except, of course, in extreme cases)? Dilution of the genetic pool. As far as I can tell, this is what's driving our ongoing biological changes, not NS.

Primitive people may be more intelligent because without an education they must spend a lot of time figuring things out. That’s probably why they are more engaged.

It’s reasonable to say that available technologies and the environment that people live in can have a dramatic influence on how their society develops. However Jared is being hypocritical when he says the people of new guinea have more mental abilities than people of the western world. Perhaps this is not what he Intended but that’s what the words coming out of his mouth mean.

@RYSEAmato

3 жыл бұрын

how?

@freandwhickquest

3 жыл бұрын

Do you accuse jared diamond of "anti-white" racism?

When I think of Americans, I think of a people glued to a few TV serials.

"The senses meet the object and from their contact sensation is born. Thence results recollection. Thus, as the sun's power through a burning-glass causes fire to appear, so through the cognizance born of sense and object, the mind originates and with it the ego, the thought of self, whom some Brahman teachers call the lord. The shoot springs from the seed; the seed is not the shoot; both are not one and the same, but successive phases in a continuous growth. Such is the birth of animated life." ... Buddha

Life as we know it is worse than any imprisonment in any space and time.

@visicircle

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh, Buddha, shut upppp!

Test your own brains..leave ours alone.

@mohan_prasad_lodha

2 жыл бұрын

👍

We are a cultural species, and many of our mental structures are products of our cultures. Joseph Henrich gives the example of our numerical system, which is very powerful and allows us to do various things. Our exposure to music, images, and stories, tools of all kinds, among many other things, also has no parallel in any other culture. However, socially, we are not great. In social terms, I believe the main structures are kinship and marriage, and they are regulated by both biological and cultural factors. There is some variation. Families can be patrilineal or matrilineal. In the latter case, the father figure can be the mother's brother, and the husband seems more like a boyfriend. I suspect that these structures play an important role in people's mental development. Something like this was characterized by Freud with his Oedipus complex. I think these structures are disintegrating in the modern world, and this may have consequences for people's moral and sexual development. Freud's own model is of a society that was already quite individualistic, but since his time, we have progressed a lot in this direction. Henrich states that we are the most different humans that have ever existed. He calls us WEIRD (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic).

A question for materialists: What is the evolutionary purpose of subjective experience if p-zombies are just as good at survival as conscious humans?

@Raydensheraj

3 жыл бұрын

Are you talking about the Zombies that walked the Earth in the Bible🙄😆

@nyworker

3 жыл бұрын

@@Graewulfe You're exactly right because nothing in nature has a purpose or meaning. Emergent thought properties like purpose and meaning are mind processes.

@nyworker

3 жыл бұрын

There is a hard problem of subjective experience which underlies everything from simple pain, sensory qualities, linguistic meaning, aboutness/intentionality, good evil moral sense etc.

@Raydensheraj

3 жыл бұрын

@@nyworker In my opinion Michael S.A. Graziano has solved this the best in his Book Rethinking Consciousness...there is no hard problem. Personally I'm rooting for Quantum Biology explaining Consciousness...

@LeventeCzelnai

3 жыл бұрын

@@Graewulfe the word "purpose" doesn't mean u have to understand it literally.

Geez, I hope New Guineans are more intelligent than most Americans.

No.

Same baloney. How about some new voices

Diamond is such a jester.

It's not our brains, it's our sheep 😂

Does Evolutionary Psychology Explain Mind? Does Psychology Explain the Evolutionary Mind? Does Mind Explain Evolution of Psychology? Does Mind's Psychology Explain Evolution? It's a word game, right?

Does anyone seriously believe the mind evolved from having no mind to our current status? When you see how a baby's mind develops into an infant, then toddler, then an older child. Or someone with mental health, learning difficulties, brain injury, etc., there's no way we didn't always have a fully developed mind, predetermined before and after birth.

@robertesquivel7397

3 жыл бұрын

Depends honestly. We know that babies aren’t a blank slate from birth. When a baby is showed a snake they’re scared even though they’ve never seen a snake before. So obviously there is some evolutionary factors to the way we think but the question becomes, how much is nature and how much is nurture.

@watchman2866

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertesquivel7397 A baby isn't scared of a snake, they learn to be. From the womb, a baby is continually learning about their environment in accessing what they like or what they don't. They don't evolve something that wasn't potentially possible prior to learning about it. The brain records every experience, not just the ones we have consciously, but you don't start with it being incapable then acquire such a function. Is it evolutionary?

@robertesquivel7397

3 жыл бұрын

@@watchman2866 no you are wrong. babies who have never seen a snake before are definitely scared of it. The data collected on it is irrefutable.

@watchman2866

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertesquivel7397 Children do not have an innate fear of snakes, agrees DeLoache. "Rather, they have a predisposition to detect and respond rapidly to snakes." For example, studies have shown that young children will quickly detect the presence of a snake in a photo among many other non-snake photos.22 Oct 2015 www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/20151022-where-does-our-fear-of-snakes-come-from From what I've seen with children, newborn babies, aren't aware of their surroundings, it takes weeks of learning before they could identify anything, they learn using their five senses and memory. They quickly learn what they like and don't like about their environment. They feel pleasure and discomfort from experience not from the mind out but a constant back and forth each feeding the other, bodily experiences feed the mind, which feeds the body, which feeds the mind, etc.

@robertesquivel7397

3 жыл бұрын

@@watchman2866 this study proves what I just said. They could be scared of it, but we don’t really know because we can’t ask the baby but it doesn’t treat the snake as any other object. They focus on it and proves that it’s somehow special. The focus of the baby can very quickly become fear. So yes my statement stands, babies aren’t blank slates from birth.

Does theology explain it?”oh! My OWN version does with no concrete evidence it’s there!” How idiotic & stupid smh 🤦🏿‍♂️

I’m definitely not saying that tribes are not intelligent in new Guinea. But I can’t help but think of men being sent to the moon and chuckle a little when he says they are just as intelligent. Obviously using a relative meaning of the word.... no disrespect just one mans opinion.

@lelabla2389

3 жыл бұрын

Like he said in the end: 'It's not our brains, it's our sheep'. No single human could send men to the moon, it was small increnental steps of humankind throughout history, knowledge built upon knowledge passed down. It feels weird how small 'insignificant' factors can lead to differences of this magnitude.

@daviddean707

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought weaving was pretty smart

@vicpalushaj

3 жыл бұрын

@@daviddean707 😂 as do I.

@vicpalushaj

3 жыл бұрын

@@nomatternevermind6818 Actually I think I could survive the environment for a while. The native tribes....... maybe not. Probably depends on who you know. 😬

@russellmillar7132

3 жыл бұрын

@@nomatternevermind6818 Great point! I often make the case that, without common knowledge there is no " common sense ". If you were to put an Inuit villager in a jungle in the Congo, common sense alone would not help them to survive . All people are intelligent. Given enough time and with proper training and experience, ( within reason ) all peoples are equally capable.

Diamond is decent. His two works GGS and Collapse are partially wrong factually. Deutsch proves the theses are epistemically flawed. Other claims of eurocentrism are overblown, especially from anthropologists and from JM Blaut.

@naushadahmed8090

3 жыл бұрын

Man, nice to meet you.

@existentialbaby

3 жыл бұрын

Survive a nuclear explosion for me.

Why is he using so many buzz-words. Evolutionary psychology is a fraud meant to manipulate those stupid enough to believe it. But this is getting mildly interesting.

Evolution = "The Ebner Effect".

Ah yes, the New Guineans. Those awesome people who kill and eat anyone in their tribe suspected of witchcraft if anyone died of unknown reasons. New Guinea has many different tribes. Still, I'm generalizing coz Diamond is generalizing

No, the mind can be explained by Aristotle's metaphysics. The mind is immaterial, materialism is dead.

No.

@martialarts4095

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@magicsinglez

3 жыл бұрын

@@martialarts4095: The Tooth Fairy is real too, because it makes you feel better, believing he exists.

@martialarts4095

3 жыл бұрын

@@magicsinglez what’s the point in believing in something that doesn’t exist ....

@magicsinglez

3 жыл бұрын

@@martialarts4095 : Those who rule us wish to humble us by having us believe something that is wrong? Perhaps the revelation is meant to defuse us? I would call it then a giant irony project. The only goal is to prevent violence and insurrection, or perhaps just violence or just good old-fashioned revolution. Anyway, that’s my take on it, giant irony project. You can choose to view evolutionary psychology as the latest 9n cutting edge science, if you so choose. So new, it didn’t even exist 40 years ago.