We have to thank 'closer to truth' for these fantastic interviews

I'm addicted to "Closer to Truth".. Thank you Mr. Kuhn!

These discussions are so important. I’m delighted 😁 to have found them on KZread.

This guy is SHARP! Such great answers

All the reasons Jared speaks of leading to collapse have increased 10 fold here in 2022, just four years since this episode.

A great video exploring Jared Diamond's important views on the comings and more often goings of civilizations.

I really enjoy the interaction between these great thinkers!

If the best ideas are retained advanced civilization will survive. The key to survival is have good backups and redundant backups of the hard won ideas. And then calm down.

Love this guy. Very pragmatic in his views, and that is scary.

the mayan's collapsed, but we're still here hundreds of years later, the next 30-50 years is maybe a significant period in human history but it's not an end all be all point

U on fire w these real n pressing posts

Love and compassion is KEY to mankinds Ascension to 4d

Never confuse "crazy" with "committed". Listen to "one Man's Ceiling is Another Man's Floor" - Paul Simon

new drinking game: everytime he says sustainable take a shot. By the end of video you'll need medical help.

@michaelpumo83

3 жыл бұрын

Or society!

@robthomas592

2 жыл бұрын

Hic...burble...hic

Whoever is in charge of the audio from this channel needs to be let go...

"By 1985 enough millions will have died to reduce the earth's population to some acceptable level, like 1.5 billion people." - Paul Ehrlich, 1968 "In ten years [i.e., 1980] all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish. -Paul Ehrlich, 1970 "I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." -Paul Ehrlich, 1968

@buceoApulmon

5 жыл бұрын

It is a good thing that he was wrong, but was he really? There will never be a stench of dead fish, because fisheries already collapsed and there is only 10% of the fish biomass there was in the Oceans 30 years ago. Abut his other predictions, he was wrong on the dates by 50 years but sadly he could be right on the collapse that he predicted. We passed peak oil in 2016, and will reach peak gas and peak metals in the next 10 to 20 years.. We are burning forests and loosing fertile soils like there is no tomorrow... All these things will have consequences.. We are already in the middle of the 6th mass extinction..The ecological and fisheries collapse is already happening. We lost in 20 years 75% of the flying insects biomass in Europe.

@buceoApulmon

5 жыл бұрын

The future is impossible to predict with certainty, and I will be very happy Diamond was wrong... This interview is optimistic, because Jared Diamond says that there is 51% chances that civilisation will survive the 21st century. Many astronomers are more pessimistic than Jared Diamond, and their explaination of the Fermi paradox is that all thermo industrial civilisations collapse and self-destruct.

If the universe exists in a billions years there will be no humans at all, life forms will be something else alltogether, no point in asking such a question.

@ozultirich

3 жыл бұрын

You're wrong 😂

@robthomas592

2 жыл бұрын

It must be nice to be able to hold opinions so strongly that you can voice them as facts.

why is it that it is such a surprise to him that a 'literate, Christian' society such as his example of the greenland society could fail? he uses it as a contrast and says it's not just the exotic cultures, but... i find this hubris so frustrating

Only 30-50 years in the future? This guy is no fun.

@kreyvegas1

4 жыл бұрын

The planet does not care what you think is fun or not. The globe works on a pretty complicated, delicate balance humans have been messing with for far too long. Hollywood science fiction movies, that's your subject pal.

A billion years lol we barely love to 65.

We all need to put aside our political and cultural differences and tackle climate change, I think that is one of humanities current HIGH priorities, and the first step is government legislation.

A billion years. Really. What are theses cosmologists drinking. Bogglemologists.

@robthomas592

2 жыл бұрын

??? Try to be understandable. What do you mean?..please use sentences.

Talk of apocalypse is almost always nonsense. The only thing I've ever heard of that could realistically be an existential threat to humanity is nuclear weapons. And even that is a bit over hyped.

@horizonberg

6 жыл бұрын

Scarcity changes the way people perceive the world and dramatically increases the likelihood of group violence. When the groups have nukes, that means it dramatically increases the likelihood of nuclear war. The more nuclear powers involved, the greater the likelihood of a nuclear apocalypse. Therefore, the present form of poorly regulated global capitalism and overpopulation that deplete non-renewable resources and even destroy renewable ones while simultaneously increasing demand across the entire world for most goods and services increase scarcity and the existential risk of large scale nuclear war.

@willmosse3684

5 жыл бұрын

He is not talking about complete extermination of the human race. He is talking about civilisational collapse. This does happen periodically, or at least it has periodically. The future - who knows...

@tonytaylor8937

Жыл бұрын

You skipped mentioning our witless overbreeding and our criminal behavior towards forests and "lesser life forms".

A Malthusian pontificating on his malthusian world view ... well Thomas Malthus turned out to be completely wrong. Time and history will show that Jared Diamond is just a wrong today IMHO, just ask Paul Erlich abut his 1968 book "The Population Bomb" ... Didn't work so well for Paul did it.

@twirlipofthemists3201

6 жыл бұрын

Frumibandersnatch Not completely wrong.

@Frumibandersnatch

6 жыл бұрын

Twirlip Of The Mists Not completely wrong Twirlip? Where was he right, or sure if Thomas Malthus said that the sky is blue on a sunny day he wouldn't be wrong just because he was Thomas Malthus, but where was he right on any matter of significance? He thought we'd all be dead by the end of the19th century at rate our population was multiplying, and given the level of agricultural technology of his time he might have been right. However, we had had more botanical knowledge, new technologies and we kept right on going. Our instinct is to look at the problems of our future in the light of our present technological level; our instinct is to think that technology as developing in a liner fashion when it advances exponentially. That is why Malthus and Erlich were both wrong and why our Malthusian friend here, along with all Malthusians will always be wrong in their projections about the future. "predictions are hard, especially when they're about the future" - Yogi Berra

@Frumibandersnatch

6 жыл бұрын

Twirlip Of The Mists "By 1985 enough millions will have died to reduce the earth's population to some acceptable level, like 1.5 billion people." - Paul Ehrlich, 1968 "In ten years [i.e., 1980] all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish. -Paul Ehrlich "I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." -Paul Ehrlich, 1968 Please let me know if you think I'm spamming you Twirlip, I don't mean to. Say stop and I'll stop. It's just that this stuff is important and, I believe, at the center of the discord that western society finds itself in these days . I'm just trying to get these points heard, even is small forums like this.

@horizonberg

6 жыл бұрын

Technology and oil bought us time. It is supremely arrogant to think we will be so fortunate forever.

@Frumibandersnatch

6 жыл бұрын

Horizonberg It is not "fortune" but innovation that saves us every time. It is not arrogance but inductive reason that leads me to my conclusion. Furthermore, given our new extraction technologies (innovation) we have enough oil for at least 200 years! Do you think we'll still be using oil to power our civilization 200 years from now? We may have unlocked fusion reaction energy by then, or even some new energy source unfathomable to us in today's state of technology. Malthusians are the same today as they were in Paul Ehrlich's hay day or even Malthus' time in the late 18th century, they were going on about humanity's "arrogance" back then too. Given the fact that we were able to innovate our way out all of Malthus's and Ehrlich's dooms day prophecies I'd say that "arrogance" is warrented, wouldn't you?

I think that veganism will be a big step along the way to becoming a multi-species planet.

@chrisbuxton1958

Жыл бұрын

A big step towards being malnourished and sick, more like.

Oh good grief this guy's doom and gloom seems to betray his political beliefs more than his science.

buzzwords galore

Don’t you dare talk about somalia lol 😒 we’re gettin are shit together

Jews yes?

Yes let's not give our support to educated crazies.

The plan by our creators is to end this first temporary generation of the simulation with a very catastrophic ending called the day of the Lord. On that particular day, the earth below each individual's body will begin shaking violently. Within one hour, all the inhabitants on earth including all living things will perish. Nahum 1 4: He rebukes the sea and makes it dry, he dries up all the rivers; Bashan and Carmel wither, the bloom of Lebanon fades. 5: The mountains quake before him, the hills melt; the earth is laid waste before him, the world and all that dwell therein.

@suncat9

6 жыл бұрын

You had false information injected into your brain by the overlords of your sub-simulation.

@BradHolkesvig

6 жыл бұрын

You have no idea what the future of this simulation is about unless you're chosen to listen and believe.

@booklist123123

6 жыл бұрын

well, shit happens

@lissaleggs4136

6 жыл бұрын

Brad Holkesvig 13,500 years ago was last extinction. Enough of the fairytales..

@BradHolkesvig

6 жыл бұрын

Scientists are liars who have no idea who we are and how we're created.

Useless liberal professor same old dumb answers.

what bullshit, george carlin's ideas and rants puts these pseudo intellectuals to shame.