I'm descended from James Wilson I'm happy to see a depiction on film

@GregRohr

Жыл бұрын

Your ancestor was every ounce the brilliant jurist that Adams describes him in the one line here. *salute*

@jeffreydoll7426

Жыл бұрын

@@GregRohr thanks my ancestor did have problems with debt but even with all that he went to three different university's in Scotland and after coming to the states he was very anti-brit and got into law school people like Wilson is a dime in a few especially in todays world

@OceanFlan

Жыл бұрын

That's awesome.

@jeffreydoll7426

Жыл бұрын

@ethanschmid4104 1:30 yeah I the part I was amazed that the script writer added in the part about him be a lawyer well know during his time, if I had one wish I would had gone back in time during the war to meet him once

@AlejandroKaplan-hr1vi

9 ай бұрын

Came to really respect him after the episode of Ben franklin’s world dedicated to him you should be proud of him

I like this scene. James has been the puppet to Dickenson's puppet-master for too long & he finally grows a backbone & stands up to him for what he knows is the right thing to do & not what others want him to decide

@kevinbutler1955NYC

2 жыл бұрын

Judge Wilson finally became a mensch(A decent and wise man)by voting for Independence.

@warlord8954

2 жыл бұрын

Bullshit! This is a false dramatization. JUDGE Wilson was NOT weak, nor feeble. Judge Wilson was an honorable man.

@stratisification

11 ай бұрын

I'm sorry to ask this, but did he? He says in the scene that he's voting for independence because if he voted against, he and Dickinson would be the only ones remembered for it, forever. If he votes for, he's just another voice in the majority demanding America be free.

@mlbrooks4066

3 күн бұрын

@@stratisification This part is fiction, for the drama. The real Wilson gave his vote after a delay so that he could go back to his constituents and find out what they wanted, which he did. That's why he voted Yea.

This is a great musical and this moment is a great moment of plot, but it's not quite true. Franklin and Wilson were both pro-independence. Even though Dickinson was anti-independence, he saw Independence coming one way or the other and didn't want to stand in the way. He abstained from the vote and let the other Congressmen vote for Independence. There was a lot more to Judge Wilson than the spineless little man shown in "1776". He eventually became one of the first Supreme Court Justices.

@michaellewyn4099

9 ай бұрын

also, he was very active in the Constitutional Convention, for which he is (I think) much better known than for either his Supreme Court service or the Declaration.

AKA the break up scene💀

Sidenote about this: during Wilson's legal training, his preceptor (essentially his mentor -- an older lawyer who took him under his wing as it were to teach him how to do law "right") was in fact John Dickinson. Dickinson actually knew Wilson for longer than he (Dickinson) had known his own wife.

As Wilson saves the Republic...

Wilson: “I’m not like other girls”

Great video!

Oh actually I can make this EVEN worse, thanks to a biography of Charles Thomson that I'm currently reading. Charles Thomson started out his political career as essentially a Ben Franklin Sycophant, but they completely (and messily) parted ways over Franklin's response to the Stamp Act (popular opinion in Philadelphia being that Franklin had essentially allowed it), and part of the reason for that was John Dickinson. Dickinson didn't particularly like anybody when he was in his late 20s but Franklin was a particular target of his ire and that and the fact that Dickinson and Thomson were both VEHEMENTLY against the Stamp Act naturally drew them to each-other. Thomson was basically Dickinson's only friend for a good eight years (most of the 1760s), and to be a little hyperbolic Thomson essentially left his first wife "for" Dickinson. By 1776 Thomson and Dickinson were still extremely close friends, and Franklin, being friends with Dickinson's wife (and having been friends, before she died, with the first Mrs. Thomson), would absolutely have known that. That basically turns this scene into Franklin making Thomson essentially complicit in the worst thing that's happened to John Dickinson for like... six or eight months.

2:10 When Judge Wilson stands up, it becomes the symbolic moment when Judge Wilson stands up for himself and stands up against John Dickinson.

Sadly James Wilson's later life was a difficult one. he actually went to debtors prison

Being from Ny it always bothered me when NY would abstain.

@mlbrooks4066

3 күн бұрын

In the play, it's because the NY legislature couldn't decide what instructions to give their delegate. In the play, after this scene, the delegate basically says, "The hell with the NY legislature. I vote yea."

@stratisification

3 күн бұрын

I believe at the time, the law was that NY couldn’t actually vote, though they could attend the meetings. Maybe the filmmakers didn’t want to specify that, so they just had them say “New York abstains, courteously”

St. Andrews graduate!

This was no easy decision to make, in any case. If he votes nay, then America stays under the tyrannical thumb of George the Third; yet, voting yay-even not bearing arms-he lays his very life upon the altar!

0:30 it is the proper form