James O'Brien debates callers on Mason Greenwood returning for Man United | LBC
As Mason Greenwood's future at Man United hangs in the balance, following accusations of attempted assault and coercive control.
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If the abuse was against the caller's daughter, he wouldn't just want him lose his career, he'd want him lose his life. Hypocrites all of them.
@adamalexander5181
11 ай бұрын
Exactly. It’s easy to defend people when it doesn’t affect you personally but I don’t believe for a moment they’d be all for forgiveness etc if it was their daughter
@happyguilmore4253
10 ай бұрын
Would you be happy if your daughter dropped the charges?? Because that’s what happened. He hasn’t got a criminal record because of her. If he does it again,it will be his first conviction. She’s no better than him
@joekavanagh7171
10 ай бұрын
Funny then how the alleged "victim's" father has no problem with her being with Greenwood.
@vaughan1379
10 ай бұрын
You forget that She does have a father 🤦🏼♂️
This country is morally in the gutter.
@chatham43
Жыл бұрын
...well done Sherlock..🙂
@CliffUK49
Жыл бұрын
Not just morally 😔😔😔.
@nigelbenn4642
Жыл бұрын
Errr yeah, where you been for the last decade?
@ThomasKing19933
Жыл бұрын
@@nigelbenn4642Watching the Tories rip this country to shreds.
@nigelbenn4642
Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasKing19933 Then this is no shock to you.
People actually making excuses for this guy is disturbing, if it was there daughter, sister, mother would they still be defending him
@marzipanmonkey
10 ай бұрын
It really is. But because he's a very talented young prospect Utd fans put football before morality.
@ghamandlupin
8 ай бұрын
Erm, excuse me. I'm a Manchester United fan and I don't put football before morality, thanks very much. I suggest you retract or edit your comment here.@@marzipanmonkey
@marzipanmonkey
8 ай бұрын
@@ghamandlupin You need to take it as read that I don’t literally mean every single Man Utd and it’s generalising a little. But I have seen PLENTY of Utd fans who don’t seem to care and just want him to pull the shirt on again because all that matters is he’s a talented young player. Fair play if you yourself don’t agree and want him out of your club.
@ghamandlupin
8 ай бұрын
@@marzipanmonkey I want him out of football altogether
The amount of utterly deluded United fans saying he made a ‘mistake’. A mistake is knocking a drink over not abusing a woman. Christ do these people have any morals at all
@tomheeks2830
Жыл бұрын
it's football, so no of course they don't.
@mrbeanie5314
Жыл бұрын
Prince Andrew made a mistake
@tomheeks2830
Жыл бұрын
he made many to be fair@@mrbeanie5314
@Robert-ks5ix
Жыл бұрын
He's made that "mistake" multiple times as well. What do you expect from United fans?
@markluxford1610
Жыл бұрын
Thomas partey ? I’m a gooner what is happening in this world!!!
The first caller is nuts. Being paid 75k a week is NOT a punishment. Barring him from playing but still paying him is a slap on the wrist
@hardstone76
Жыл бұрын
Greenwood's salary depends on the contract he signed with the club. If the club stopped paying him without due cause under contract law, he could sue the club to get the money plus damages for breach of contract
@khaltsharivist365
Жыл бұрын
@jujitsujew23 if he had shares or some other investments that gave him a similar return should he lose those too as punishment?
@DW-indeed
Жыл бұрын
@@khaltsharivist365that's return on investment of money already earned. Not the same as receiving new money. In order to fund whatever lifestyle, it would diminish that investment, so it's in a way punitive.
@johnatter5250
Жыл бұрын
First caller is spot on.
@franklingoodwin
Жыл бұрын
@@hardstone76 They've paid him the entire time. It's public knowledge
I feel sorry for the first caller’s daughters.
I am a lifelong Manchester United fan and I will categorically stop following this club if Greenwood plays again. I cannot get my head around anyone thinking this is ok.
@miguelramalho8792
Жыл бұрын
His behaviour isn’t ok. But he needs to work doesn’t he? So Mason will now be punished for the rest of his life, unable to work because of this poor behaviour? That’s it? So if you’re a prisoner your in the same boat, ostracised from the rest of society forever? These people may as well end their lives then. What’s the alternative?
@richardwegrzyn
Жыл бұрын
@@miguelramalho8792 not suggesting he can’t work. Just that he shouldn’t be at a top level sport being basically worshipped by millions. He can go work in Tesco, plenty of people do. He’s already earned more than many do in their entire careers.
@chomskysarmy3965
Жыл бұрын
@@miguelramalho8792 you got the last bit right.
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
There are 650 million United fans worldwide, the vast majority of whom disagree with you. But then maybe they're not entitled to their opinion?
@richardwegrzyn
Жыл бұрын
@@joekavanagh7171 I can’t get my head around people thinking lots of things. Doesn’t mean I think they’re not entitled to their opinion. Didn’t suggest that in anyway. If anything you seem to be suggesting I’m not entitled to my opinion.
people are acting like his life will be over if he doesnt play for man utd again. hes already a millionaire. he can have a second chance without playing for prem club.
@ItsNotRealLife
Жыл бұрын
It would feel like his life would be over, in fact half of his life would be if he never played again or had to downgrade to one of the lower leagues
@Lesley_Snipes
Жыл бұрын
@@ItsNotRealLife who cares how he feels at this point. Anything other than jail should feel like a positive for him. You can’t seriously think he should be allowed the privilege to compete in the prem?
@alexmetcalfe7419
Жыл бұрын
@@ItsNotRealLife So what, not playing football is not a punishment. He's been paid £75k a week over that time also.
@troywright359
11 ай бұрын
James said he should never have any employment again. Anywhere, even for rentokil or tescos.
If he was bad at football, there wouldn't be so many people defending him
@vaughan1379
10 ай бұрын
No if he wasn’t a Manchester United player everybody would’ve forgotten, he would be back playing for the same club🤷🏼♂️
@chrisguy9017
10 ай бұрын
I disagree. If he wasn’t a teenager there wouldn’t be as many people defending him.
People don't seem to understand that jobs like footballer, politician etc are a privilege. His future employment isn't affected, he could become an accountant, stack shelves at ASDA or anything else. He doesn't deserve his position, children shouldn't be looking up to him. Women aren't a learning curve, he should disappear into obscurity like the rest of the general public.
@P.scotland
Жыл бұрын
Very wet put.
@johnatter5250
Жыл бұрын
How about no. Has he been found guilty
@franklingoodwin
Жыл бұрын
@@stephjsinclair Exactly. The burden of proof in civtl cases are different to criminal cases. That recording would almost definitely be enough evidence to terminate Greenwood's contract
@geekylove3603
Жыл бұрын
James does not believe criminals should ever work again. I didn't know James lives in Yikesville.
@franklingoodwin
Жыл бұрын
@@geekylove3603 Do you ever speak about the topic of conversations or just about what James says or believes (or in this case what you think he said rather than what he actually said)? No opinions on what the callers have to say?
If he was an average player this wouldn’t even be a debate Utd would get rid. This is just about Utd trying to keep a top talent regardless of what he’s done.
@Valentindk
11 ай бұрын
He has not done anything wrong, the case was dismissed ? So now cause we can ruin a mans life by false alligations ?
I've been a Man Utd fan for 20 years but if Mason Greenwood returns to the club then I won't be able to support them anymore.
@piusgabriel3464
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the support and u can find a new club now
@HakunonMatata
Жыл бұрын
You were never a United fan. If you were, you would have dropped your support years ago after allegations against Giggs and Ronaldo came out.
So he is not allowed to play football but can do another job? Why is one job different to any other job What about those who drink and drive, why do they get to play again Who decides which act is too much and which can be forgiven.
@derchisman007
Жыл бұрын
Professional footballers are role models and looked up to by kids. He should not be seen in that light. End of.
@skyelineblue
Жыл бұрын
I’m with you.
@NeoPsyPsy
Жыл бұрын
@@derchisman007 but anyone in any profession can be a role model to someone so what you on about. Him being a role model to 60 million and someone to 10 people is the same because the both have influence, the difference is the number. If the opinion is he shouldn't work on the football scene, and ManU shouldn't be associated with such, why should Tesco or any other company be associated with such
@nargis751
Жыл бұрын
@@derchisman007 when people look for role models, they don’t pick out something as bad behaviour and aspire to that.
I am a UTD fan but won't buy any merchandise or support the team any longer if he plays in the shirt again.
@nathanfurnival8724
Жыл бұрын
Sure
@georgef822
Жыл бұрын
We all know that won't actually happen.
@baloney4kony
Жыл бұрын
I'll be buying 15 shirts with his name on the first time he's back on the pitch. Kid is talented & deserves support, not crybaby fans who believe everything they read on social media. Zero charges.
@Gargamel616
Жыл бұрын
Bye 👋
@oxymoron02
Жыл бұрын
@@baloney4kony So if someone attacked your mother but wasn't charged, they're innocent.
I’m a United fan and I don’t want him to ever play for the club again.
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
I'm a United fan and I want him back. So do the vast majority of United's 650 million worldwide fans.
I’m a Utd fan of 40+ years and I cannot unhear what I heard. I don’t believe he should play for the club again. Yeah, the charges were dropped, it would still set a poor precedent for the club. I would have to stop supporting them.
@TheChampIsHere_
Жыл бұрын
Man utd have a history of this ..look at ryan giggs. Cant think of another club with so many shady legends
@marvinsamuels1237
Жыл бұрын
@@TheChampIsHere_ True!
@CoroDan
Жыл бұрын
Same here, 40+ years too. He's also a product of the club. Been with Utd since age 7. At the academy. This reflects very poorly on the mentoring provided by United.
@russellward4624
Жыл бұрын
@TheChampIsHere_ but Giggs wasn't charged with a crime. Sleeping with your brothers wife is awful behavior, but not illegal. This is 1,000,000xs worse.
@marvinsamuels1237
Жыл бұрын
@@russellward4624 I think they were referring to the domestic violence case. He was found not guilty by a jury, but having the money for the best solicitor can make a difference.
As a life long united fan I could not agree more with James
@raveenb7239
11 ай бұрын
I hope you have the same stands on people who racially abuse others because in my eyes both of offense are equal if not worst which is just a big problem that we have in society but I don’t see the media going on on this which is what infuriates me. You guys are hypocrites and choose to turn a blind eye
@NickQuigley-dp9so
11 ай бұрын
Your basing your decision only on the the information that you have seen and heard, which I can understand why, but dont you think she leaked the audio because she was trying to influence the public to support her, also at the start james didnt mention when she dropped the charges she presented the police with new evidence
@scrimbo5319
9 ай бұрын
@@NickQuigley-dp9soeven if that’s why she leaked the audio so what? He still did it lol
Do we punish people with the court of public opinion or court of law? Society has for a few years gone down the road of convicting and punishing people without being found guilty in a court of law.
@davidmcmillan4183
Жыл бұрын
And destroying some people's lives in the process, before they are exonerated in the court of law.
@Naz123Gul
Жыл бұрын
@@davidmcmillan4183 spot on
@samuelavlonitis1979
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree fully, but with greenwoods case after everything you’ve seen, do you truly believe he didn’t do these things? He simply just can’t be charged for it, it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. So as an employer, who tries to hold some standards, you should see this incident that 99% likely occurred, go to Greenwood, and say “hey we don’t tolerate this, you’re out.” He’ll find a new club, someone in the world will take him. But he’s gonna learn a very harsh lesson and face his consequences like a man.
@Naz123Gul
Жыл бұрын
@@samuelavlonitis1979 I simply don’t know if he did these things, nobody does. The lad and the girl only know, she put up images of bruises. How do we know greenwood gave her the bruises? We simply don’t know, and without all the facts it’s wrong to publicly convict someone.
@samuelavlonitis1979
Жыл бұрын
@@Naz123Gul we don’t truly know for a sure fact, but crimes get prosecuted without the prosecutor being there for the scene of the crime because they go thru the evidence. The evidence looks so clear and lines up with how abusive relationships go, and Greenwood hasn’t tried to deny these actions, him and his team are trying to move on (they know it happened) So you can’t prosecute him in court but your employer is not bound by this and can look at an unpunished incident and still rightfully fire you because it violates their conduct policy. But it’s United so y’all might really be that bad of a club. You guys might really not care that players who millions of kids look up to beat women.
Oh the irony, on the one hand you have James O'Brien calling out the tories for calling the courts and judges "enemies of the people' or whatever it was and now we cant trust the courts to deliver a fair conclusion? Which is it??
Then anybody who's been to prison should never be able to work again.
Some football fans really are blinkered
It's just scary to me that, as a result of exceptional talent and resources, teenagers like him grow up in a world where they could be led to believe that such behaviour is acceptable and lack the basic empathy to understand that it's not.
@Omar_Little
11 ай бұрын
Resources have nothing to do with it. There are domestic abusers/rapists of all economic classes.
@vaughan1379
10 ай бұрын
Such things are not acceptable, but we don’t know the full story
Any Man Utd fan I know does NOT want him in the team and would no longer be a fan of said team if he's back in the team.
@brianbenson9469
Жыл бұрын
What if u know a few let a guy have a second chance
@gen6807
Жыл бұрын
@@brianbenson9469 you dont get a second chance if you're a multimillionaire footballer when the public has heard that disgusting audio
@joshcooper7
Жыл бұрын
I am a United fan. I want him back
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
You're hanging out with the wrong people. The overwhelming majority of United fans worldwide want him back.
I'm a United fan of 40 years. Greenwood should never be allowed to play in the shirt again. I am dumbstruck at how long it's taken for the club to make a decision.
Very complicated. Interviewer is pretty arrogant. Two years not working. Publucally shamed. A legacy hanging over him. It is quite a punishment. In a non public world he would be better off with two years in prison and freedom to carry on his life. Public trial and historical smearing is a massive punishment over the crime. I would take 3 years in prison and my own ability to reflect on my wrongs. Interviewer is quite nasty and does not listen.
At what point did getting paid 70k a week to not do your job, become a punishment?
@gen6807
Жыл бұрын
man u are paying the wages. he's a product of man u. he would be getting paid way more via sponsors if he didnt do what he did. they cant cancel his contract because he wasn't charged, but we have all heard that disgusting audio and he would definitely prefer being compared with Saka 2 years ago than have to hide from the public
@DFD542
Жыл бұрын
@@gen6807 so his punishment was only being paid a fortune, when he could have been paid even more? And he hasn't been able to score more goals? Are you living on planet earth?
Really glad this had made it into mainstream media now.
@stevemitchell1454
Жыл бұрын
When our country has been brought to its knees by a lying, cheating , cruel government the fact we are discussing this shows the petty mentality engendered by media. If his fiance has forgiven the kid who are you to say you don't? Holier than thou.
@ColinUTD
Жыл бұрын
@@stevemitchell1454 This was the end of a 3 hour show.
@blueodum
Жыл бұрын
@@ColinUTD Should never have been touched as a topic since the criminal charges were withdrawn and JoB doesn't know the full story.
@ColinUTD
Жыл бұрын
@@blueodum Someone needed to put pressure on the club to do the right thing and not let him play for the club again.
James O'brian…nobody gets a second chance…personally as a united supporter I wouldn’t have mason back but you cannot stop a player, who hasn’t been convicted of the crime, playing ever again…
Anytime some guy opens with "I'm a father of x daughters" you know you're about hear some grade-A garbage...
@philwill0123
Жыл бұрын
only if they defend attacks from men against women
We saw Dele Alli confess to Gary about his sleeping pills and alcohol use. Those are habits that can be changed. MG is a psychopath, that is inherent.
I meaN it’s pretty clear. Player abuses woman - she complains Player gets woman pregnant - she drops charges Nothing has changed. He’s still abused her.
Behaviours have deteriorated in most western societies. Men abusing women or children should mean a long long jail sentence. These narcissistic thugs need highlighting in all parts in society.
@cyeamaculture8486
Жыл бұрын
You think men abusing woman and children is a sign that society is getting worse? They've always done it
@geekylove3603
Жыл бұрын
James does not believe criminals should ever work again. I didn't know James lives in Yikesville.
@Wow91163
Жыл бұрын
@@AlexRomeli of course it’s going to get ignored again because this comment thread simply isn’t about what you want it to be about. I agree some people have a terrible attitude towards men being abused by women but on the whole it’s spoken about less because it happens less, and often less severely. But engaging in whataboutery isn’t going to win anyone to your cause… it just comes across as crass and tactless. Not to mention makes it look like you don’t care about violence towards women.
@blueodum
Жыл бұрын
@@stephjsinclair It's relevant because it was in response to a comment that said men who abuse women and/or children should have long jail sentences. That post brought gender into it.
"He was just 18" is a weird defense. Now he's 21.
@cathyg7767
Жыл бұрын
There is NO defence for this vile behaviour. He needs to learn that the very hard way. No Team should ever play him again.
@user-su7ie6ip2o
Жыл бұрын
@@cathyg7767 There's no defence, I agree entirely. But a kid of 18 probably deserves the chance to prove he has learned from his mistake and grown into a responsible adult. Whether that means he should be allowed to play football again, I can't say. But if we completely write off people at such a young age and prevent them from working, especially without a trial, then it will cost society a lot more than just the money spent on their subsequent income support or jail time.
@GavinRawson
Жыл бұрын
@@user-su7ie6ip2o Agree with this. James saying he cant effectively work again I don't agree with, I cant imagine James being against rehabilitation projects that help ex convicts get their lives back on track after prison and help them get employment.
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
All these comments are based on the assumption that he actually did what he is alleged to have done. The CPS also heard the tape, and decided to drop the case, and they know a lot more about the circumstances than any of you.
@inBODwetrust13
Жыл бұрын
@@cathyg7767other than the CPS found that he had no case to answer suggesting he may not have committed a criminal offence
Ha, the listener with two young girls sticking up for a man who abuses his girlfriend.!!! Would he feel the same if the tables were turned!? What a fool
Please, please don't let Greenwood back into my beloved club.
That last call with the teacher was seriously eye-opening. It is sad, not only to see the worst people get away with everything because of their status, but to also represent what children aspire to be. Horrific, quite frankly, and I do not envy any teacher who has to deal with that type of behaviour, en masse
@jmcc2275
Жыл бұрын
I could see that coming about 40 yrs ago….so I left the profession.
@fatpandapop7221
Жыл бұрын
Why does James and every other news outlet deliberately leave out full quote “In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light” what is this new material it’s clearly in the CPS statement but deliberately left out by the media who seek to crucify this boy. The audio leaked online is only a snippet of the full recording why? Where is the full audio recording. You are suggesting a very dangerous precedent be set that someone accused and never convicted of a crime should never be able to work again is absurd. Debating on national radio the life of 2 young people who are new parents and must be under incredible mental strain where is the compassion for the young mother the stress must be horrific. The CPS could have brought the charges without her consent or cooperation and the key witnesses may well have been friends/acquaintances of the accused or the alleged victim. Maybe they didn’t want to purger themselves. You do not know the facts you do not know the context of the tape or what was said before or after and you seek to destroy lives of 2 people and a new born child.
@mattcox919
Жыл бұрын
The teacher was absolutely bang on. As the EDI lead at my school, I recognise everything he says, from Tate to the misogyny... all of it. And schools struggle when we only see these kids for short periods, but these behaviours and views are reinforced constantly by family, media, society and friends. Its awful
@fatpandapop7221
Жыл бұрын
@@mattcox919 what is a woman?
@fatpandapop7221
Жыл бұрын
@@mattcox919 Hi Matt? Do you think men who transition into women should be able to play women’s football?
Does the same standard apply to Amber Heard whom there is plenty of evidence she was guilty of domestic and physiological abuse. Or Hip Hop stars and Rock stars whom have committed terrible crimes? For example John Lennon was a wife and child beater yet his music is still listened too and no one seemed to want him cancelled when he was alive? Gazza was another wife beater but is a national sympathy figure and revered.
@theyoungwolf9852
Жыл бұрын
Look at the lead singer of Aerosmith he literally got a 14 year old pregnant made her have an abortion and shot up heroine with her
@bountylad
Жыл бұрын
And Chris Brown who allegedly did the same to Rihanna but who is still having sold-out concerts in the UK. But Mason Greenwood is the grim ripper himself who should never be allowed to work ever again although he was never convicted of a crime........ridiculous to say the least
@danielsampson7530
11 ай бұрын
Correct
According to OBrien, he should be unemployable for the rest of his life, at 21 and therefore a burden on society…… This sums up how out of touch with reality OBrien really is.
James is wrong
So should he never been employed again and live on the street? Even if Man Utd let him go, should he never be able to provide for himself or family anymore?
He's not been charged so O'Brian has him guilty when he's not been found guilty
@Laytown
Жыл бұрын
Such a basic view. Do you know the statistics around convictions for abuse? So because he wasnt charged because people weren't willing to testify (very common) it's all ok and things should just go back to normal for him, where for others in nearly any other industry they wouldn't (regardless of a conviction) all because he's 'a' single 'footballer'....
@nowandrew4442
Жыл бұрын
@@Laytown It is that basic mate. Our legal system has a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. It doesn't matter in the slightest how completely dead-to-rights a criminal is. **Nobody** is allowed to treat him as a criminal until the verdict has been delivered, or otherwise leverage sanctions or penalties on the basis of mere (even well-founded) accusations.
@LoftusBlake
Жыл бұрын
@@LaytownGreenwood shouldn't be made a example of because the system is flawed
@Laytown
Жыл бұрын
@@LoftusBlake so just because the system is flawed and he wasn't convicted. His actions were what, not bad enough that you think everything should just move on? If you heard a recording of someone being like that to your sister...would you just forgive them? Because they weren't convicted...
@ir1041
Жыл бұрын
In a legal sense yes, nobody is allowed to treat him an a criminal. The public can do whatever they want - we aren’t held to the same standards as the government or criminal court. We are allowed to believe what he did was wrong.
James is waffling!
You either understand the rule of law, or you don't. Plainly you are in the latter camp. You should be ashamed of yourself, rather than glorying in your purported right to find someone guilty without trial.
I've watched the video and seen the pics and, having been a Man Utd supporter since 1968 I don't care about innocent until proven guilty. He shouldn't play for Utd again. I can only imagine the CPS case was closed because the woman who was clearly abused withdrew from the case and that raises questions in itself. That said, I don't see how it matters if she withdrew - the video is proof enough for a conviction.
@imax787
Жыл бұрын
Go support another team we will support man utd whether u are here or not
@leeeastwood6368
Жыл бұрын
no, it wasn't enough for a conviction. we know that, because he wasn't convicted!
@user-dh4rb4rs2w
Жыл бұрын
Yes. She had every opportunity to punish an abuser. Oh, but he is a rich abuser so no. I can drop the charges and everything can be sunshine and rainbow. Please let no one attack United. Attack the courts that let him go. Attack the girl that dropped charges.
@simzism
Жыл бұрын
Unless he was harming her in said video, its not enough evidence for a conviction. It's evidence that an assault has occurred.
Nothing irritates me more than people saying they condemn something when they clearly don’t. That caller who said what happened was horrible, but also that it was just a mistake drove me me up the wall Just say you don’t really care if that’s what you think
@starbwoy133
Жыл бұрын
I agree with the caller, he was a kid at 18, can't condemn a young man for life because of a mistake. If he was in his 30s the it's a whole different ball game but to finish a young man's life at 18 seems incredibly harsh.
@Suksass
Жыл бұрын
@starbwoy133 Mistake is doing that shot while they are juvenile. 18 is year of adulthood and you fully being responsible for your actions. Beating a woman isn't a mistake, it's a deplorable action and should be punished.
@fibson9775
Жыл бұрын
@@SuksassYour brain doesn't stop growing untill your 25 though.
@starbwoy133
Жыл бұрын
@Suksass I understand your point but myself being 41 and remembering when I was 18, I was practically a child. What did I really know about life at the age of 18? Yes technically you're considered an adult but life experience at that age is practically zero.
@Suksass
Жыл бұрын
@@fibson9775 nether is your height but by 18 you already know what will land you in trouble and in jail.
Note to the first caller....don't call into a radio show again
The lad should go abroad to Spain or Italy and restart his career, he has been condemned by the media and all charges dropped. Move on.
I am united fan. I don’t think he should play again. However we don’t know what actually happened. Only what she wanted the public to see and hear. Remember that. No charges have been kept. No trial no nothing. So everyone, me included are basing it on what we think. Not what is factual as again we only seen what she wanted us to see. There’s no right or wrong opinion because again no one knows the facts. I think talk sport said that we convicted on public opinion then that’s a kangaroo court not actually court. And James has already made his mind up on this before it even aired. And yes with it been Manchester United it has more to do with it because it’s Manchester United. It would of been better for united if this did go to trial then either way the decision would of been someone else’s.
@raveenb7239
11 ай бұрын
Always remember when you are digging a hole for someone else make sure you dig one for yourself. Please remember you are human and you are prone to make a mistake like anyone else think about how you would want to be treated. Food for thought
@NickQuigley-dp9so
11 ай бұрын
What James didnt mention was the fact she presented the police with new evidence proving he was innocent of the crimes.
@troywright359
11 ай бұрын
New evidence he wasn't guilty, what was it?
Child services need to do a welfare check on the first guys daughters
WONT SUPPORT UTD ANYMORE IF HE RETURNS 😢 WOMEN ABUSERS ARE EVIL
Sorry lads, he’s not convicted nor do we know the actual relationship dynamic. Defending yourself to the public would result in a kangaroo court. Leave greenwood be and hold your own personal opinions because that’s all you have. Plus if he bags a hat trick your doing a 50 yard knee slide on the concrete
@HakunonMatata
Жыл бұрын
So true. Remember when CR7 was loathed by english fans after WC2006? Within months, he's scoring goals constantly for Man Utd and all of the sudden, the people I see that hated him are now dressing and looking exactly like him wearing CR7 shirts
If people are looking to football players, or celebrities in general, for some kind of moral guidance then thats frankly disturbing. Its also interesting that we didn't hear anywhere near the same level of debate about whether a certain more well known much older striker should be brought back to the same club after he was accused of the same crime.
@Remnants100
Жыл бұрын
Sadly Mason Greenwood is still potentially a financial asset to the Club. Money trumps Morals in every aspect of today's society.
@leeallen463
Жыл бұрын
@@Remnants100 As I said, I don't go to celebrities for morals, so for me the only concerns are football related and consistency. If I was going to go down the moral route then I'd have started with the relatively long list of well known players and celebrities accused of the actual crime before getting to people who were accused of attempting it.
@thehellyousay
Жыл бұрын
@@leeallen463 personally, I'd start listing the athletes and celebrities convicted before listing those accused.
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
@@Remnants100Morals? Where's the morality in sacking someone who has not been found guilty of any crime?
@geekylove3603
Жыл бұрын
James does not believe criminals should ever work again. I didn't know James lives in Yikesville.
Do we then throw the legal system and follow the public court opinion????
I guess 'Innocent till proven Guilty' doesn't matter in the mind of James O'Brien and many in the liberal society of the UK
Man United should terminate his contract for bringing the club in to disrepute- the fact he was charged is sufficient
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
So are you suggesting that it's sufficient to be charged with a crime to be presumed guilty? Do you want to do away with the legal system and a person's right to a fair trial?
@chrism6315
Жыл бұрын
Greenwood should never play for united again. This opinion is nonsense. Presumption of innocence is a fundamental part of the law and should not change. However, we all heard the tape and united are in the public entertainment business, sack him and move on.
@philipford3921
Жыл бұрын
@@joekavanagh7171no but there’s enough smoke here for an employer to terminate his contract and every club to make their own mind up about employing him. There’s no legal matter to discuss
I look forward to the day when O'Brian falls off his morally superior supercilious perch
But he’d allow a migrant who attacked a person to “ to better himself” and get employment.
Is mason guilty of the accusations leveled against him? did you really know what happened between them? Is it not the same girl they has a child together after everything was dropped
@johnbull1568
Жыл бұрын
Loaction: Nigeria.
@riecoclothing3926
Жыл бұрын
@@johnbull1568it's funny to try and turn this into an excuse to show how you're morally superior because of the country you was born in. There's plenty of English people that want him back in the team.
@petechambers541
Жыл бұрын
@@riecoclothing3926only black people
@JDOE20
Жыл бұрын
Finally an intelligent comment
@HakunonMatata
Жыл бұрын
@@petechambers541 Guess we're going full mask off, huh?
As a Man Utd fan, it disgusts me that we are even considering letting this man play for our club again. The audio alone tells you everything you need to know about him as a man. If we have any sense both morally and financially, we should get him out of the door as quickly as possible. When you think of how far the women's side have come the last few years as well, this would be spitting in their faces to allow such a vie individual back it the team. I hope the club makes the right decision.
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
I'm a United fan too, and I totally disagree, as do the vast majority of United's 650 million worldwide fans, who actually believe in respect for the law and not kangaroo courts.
@fatpandapop7221
Жыл бұрын
How do feel about George Best and that a statue of a man who violently assaulted hospitalised and abused women sits at the front entrance of Old Trafford. Why would you support a club that would do that?
@nowandrew4442
Жыл бұрын
Since when has any football club, apart from maybe Arsenal, but certainly least of all ManUtd, given a faintest hoot about the moral disposition of their assets..? Scratch that, when has any ***_company_*** at all ever acted *_*in advance*_* of public outcry at a moral transgression? Possibly once in Sweden or Norway. Never in the world anywhere else.
@christianwarwicker5775
Жыл бұрын
@@nowandrew4442 Yeah very true, it's all about maximising profits no matter the cost.
@christianwarwicker5775
Жыл бұрын
@@joekavanagh7171 I'm not sure the majority do, at least I'd hope not. Also it's not a kangaroo court, there's clear evidence of him assaulting/attempting to assault her via the photos and the audio (which is incredibly disturbing). The fact the case was dropped was because the woman in question dropped out as a witness, and without her testimony alongside the evidence they had no choice. It doesn't mean he's innocent, he's clearly not. The woman has been failed by pretty much everyone, including the manchester police who didn't stop Greenwood seeing her when he was on bail.
He is not guilty in the court of law he should not face another trial based on peoples opinion. He should be free to live his life!
Punishment for what?? A crime should be taken through a justice system- then there should never be a referree or VAR in football going by his argument. The tapes would form the evidence then you mean the justice system should be thrown to the bin!!
Publicly announcing that they are waiting for the women's team input is in pretty poor taste. Is the club not strong enough to make the tough decision or are they happy to let the women's team carry the can (and abuse they will get) if they jettison him? Disgusting.
@bolajifashola7126
Жыл бұрын
except it was never "publically" announced? or can you point to the club's statement saying so?
People mainly men making excuses for him.. just because he’s a talented footballer.. so gross
First caller has definitely thumped his missus
@brandonfromlondonuk3484
11 ай бұрын
🤣
This is why certain people have to commit suicide. The Public Judgement on this man like everyone else is so perfect is baffling!!
Why does James need to forgive him? The lady forgives him. She is all that matters. As someone that had an abusive relationship where my gf hit me every day for 3 years there are 2 sides to every story. In my case,when I called the police, she slammed her own fingers in a door to break them so she could be the victim. I ended up being knifed and receiving multiple injuries. My point is that a recording when she stabbed me and then ran to hurt herself would have included me saying some terrible things. Context is everything. Nobody has heard the 10 minutes prior to the recording. I'm not excusing him, but I recall trying to tell people she was an abusive narcissist and all people ever did was look at her fingers and call me a wrong'un or worse. He probably is a spoiled sportsman who felt entitled. But she forgives him. So we move on. And he has the right to work.
@daithicondon9976
Жыл бұрын
Actual sense being spoken
@darrengordon-hill
Жыл бұрын
APPEASE JAMES!! HE IS THE SUPREME RESPECTER OF WOMEN!!
I know he hasn't been charged, is deemed innocent in the eyes of the law, etc etc and therefore should be allowed to follow whatever career path he chooses. But we all heard that audio clip, it was revolting and despicable. Being innocent in the eyes of the law is not the same as being innocent in an ethical or moral sense. He is a scumbag who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the elite status that being Premier League footballer would continue to give him.
@SamoIsKing
Жыл бұрын
Thats my exact thoughts. I wouldnt want him anywhere near my club.
@kalm4766
Жыл бұрын
The reason this country has a judicial system is to determine guilt, this isn't the job of the people, vigilantism is not something that's allowed, in the eyes of the law he's not guilty, and people have have to accept this. Only those people in the courtroom know all the facts, all we have is a audio clip and you think you can determine guilt with that, it's just ridiculous
@bryanfarnet2037
Жыл бұрын
@@kalm4766All I’ll say to that is if someone you knew was implicated in offences against children but the case never came to trial, would you leave them alone to look after your children?
@loganthegwar8979
Жыл бұрын
@@kalm4766except he was never found not guilty, massive difference between the trial not going ahead and being found innocent... We all heard the audio, we all saw the pictures. He's a scumbag. Your choice if you choose to excuse that behaviour.
@kalm4766
Жыл бұрын
@@loganthegwar8979 My verdict is, I don't know what happened, and I'm not going to judge this incident on an audio clip and some pictures, that's the reason people go to trial to understand both sides of the story, if the trial did not go ahead it'll probably means there wasn't sufficient evidence
Paid off with money or threats is why this case never happened. MUFC should be disgusted and be looking for the next predator.
Toxic men will always stand up for other toxic men.
"Is the problem he's playing for Man U?" I've heard of not playing with a full deck but this guy is yelling Uno during a poker game
Greenwood should not be allowed to play football in the top leagues. Full stop.
Did he get charged with anything??? If not why are you trying to cancel him??
But the point is - what does the audio even prove? It could be role play? It’s a snippet of something. She could have made it all up. Set him up. Been playing along. She also told the world over social media rather than go to the police in the first instance. She is still with the guy and just had a child. It’s a lot less clear than “there’s a recording so he did it”
If its was the caller's daughter, bleeding and bruised, would he say the same thing?
@IamEnygma
Жыл бұрын
The parents of this victim have have been defending Greenwood from the start too.
£75000 per week for beating his girlfriend up. Sack him.
Gotta love how these self righteous radio personalities act as if they've never done anything questionable in their lives. Even people who commit henous crimes serve time and are rehabilitated and reintegrated in to society. This man is advocating for him to be punished forever. Completely unreasonable and quite pathetic.
How can someone with daughters be fine with this? Would he be fine if someone did this to his daughter? And if you'd be fine with it then you don't deserve to have children.
@joshcooper7
Жыл бұрын
My daughter wouldn't have dropped the case if there was anything there
Lifelog United fan. If he pulls on a United jersey again I am done. They push out, quite rightly, messages about anti-racism and no online hate but they are willing to take back a monster like him. It saddens me that it has taken this long to get rid.
@isahxubairu3236
Жыл бұрын
Who care if u done no one has know u and u have a choice stop watching football or look for another club to support but Greenwood is gonna back like it or not he is coming back haters heartless and unhuman
@ianbanks3016
Жыл бұрын
@@isahxubairu3236 🤡🤡🤡🤡
He has not been found guilty of anything. We don't need feminists with wide fannies complaining about an innocent man.
@johnd6913
Жыл бұрын
😂
James obrien refusing to answer the question. So if he is never allowed to work again, what are we doing with him? He does what he always does when he can't answer a question, just keeps repeating himself
If Man Utd give him a squad number they fully deserve the vitriol, protests and media frenzy that will happen.
@user-dh4rb4rs2w
Жыл бұрын
Was he convicted? United isn’t bailing out a convicted player so let’s relax.
@Conquistador75
Жыл бұрын
@@user-dh4rb4rs2w are you asking me if he was convicted? If you are not sure the answer is no he wasn’t but preempting the media, fans, protesters, politicians and the rests actions and reactions it will become far bigger than the team and the club. So if Man Utd choose to ignore that then they get what they deserve.I wasn’t commenting on the morality of the issue just the reality.
@yatesy117
Жыл бұрын
@@user-dh4rb4rs2wOJ Simpson wasn't convicted either.....your point?
If he was a lawyer he'd most likely be disbarred. If he was a doctor he'd most likely be struck off. This guy can still find a job. Just not in the profession he prefers
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
If he was a lawyer or doctor he would not be struck off unless the charges were proven. He would not be disbarred on the grounds of someone's "opinion" on a dubious tape put out on social media.
@Left_unsupervised_once-again
Жыл бұрын
@@joekavanagh7171 i guess it would come down to an ethics violation in their cases.
@stephenrawlings5984
Жыл бұрын
@@joekavanagh7171He would be. The Sky Cycling Team Doctor has been struck off ( for life ! ) for prescribing a perfectly legal substance in normal life but against the rules of the sport.
@davidmcmillan4183
Жыл бұрын
@@joekavanagh7171 Amazing to me that people don't get this
@davidmcmillan4183
Жыл бұрын
@@stephenrawlings5984 from a basic google search, he was banned for four years, not life, after being given a hearing by the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service. In other words, charged and convicted through an authoritative body designed to handle such matters fairly.
Did the world stop listening to Chris Brown or did Top Music Networks stop nominating him for Awards when he Abused Rhianna?
So much hypocrisy and double standards over mason greenwood.
If Manchester United allow him to play again, it's a clear message about how they view women.
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
No, it would give a message that a man has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
@tryingmybest9819
Жыл бұрын
@@joekavanagh7171listen to the audio dude. He's guilty
@ScarfLess117
Жыл бұрын
Did you not hear that new evidence has not been presented to the public stop and read all the facts and make a proper judgment instead of feelings
At today’s transfer values, without all of this going on, Greenwood would probably transfer for around £70m at a rough guess. That is why Manchester United are dragging their heels. Morality as usual, takes second place to money.
@Scottuz
Жыл бұрын
you're miles off with that guess, if he'd been for sale this summer, and none of this had happened then we would be looking at bids over £150m, rising to £200m without much Doubt he is looked on, as a Generational talent, and that is why he hasn't been fired already I never want to see him play for Man Utd again. and I have watched this young man since he was 12yrs old and waited for him to hit the 1st team, only for this to happen. Gutted doesn't cover how I feel Let down by him
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
Morality? Where's the morality in sacking someone who is innocent under the law, just to appease a baying mob?
@canderson1955
Жыл бұрын
@@Scottuz Harry Kane went for £80m though almost 30. Yes I’m a bit on the low side probably. Somewhere between where you are and where I am. Anyway the points the same.
@joegooner3563
Жыл бұрын
So how about the girl he supposedly best up is having his kid? Theres a few girls out there that like being treated rough, often those people get off on recording it and playing it later.
@dodgysmum8340
Жыл бұрын
i'm actually pretty sure nobody cld b found to even take him on loan and thts where their problem arises as they still hv to keep paying him.
James got this so wrong
Footballers are simply footballers. They are not our moral leaders, especially not an eighteen year old boy. He should be reprimanded, made to undergo counselling and do some penance.
He should have been thrown out of the club and not allowed to play football again , but I bet if the Mancs can get a fee for him and get him off their books they'll bite the buyers hand off.
Jams O'Brien selctively ignored the part where the CPS mentioned the emergence of "new material" because it did not fit into his narrative. Big fan of the guy but he dropped the ball on this one.
People are baffled as to why his girlfriend went back to him, but I can think of seventy five thousand reasons why.
Even the queen of England committed a lot of atrocities in a lot of countries but u guys still celebrate her, he was young and he is a change person now , he should be left alone
Die hard United fan and somebody who absolutely loved Greenwood however I listened to the audio tape... He could bag a hattrick in a Champions League final and I still would boo him
@stevemitchell1454
Жыл бұрын
You are lying. City fan.
@johnatter5250
Жыл бұрын
No u wouldn't u liar haha I would celebrate without a doubt
@joekavanagh7171
Жыл бұрын
Not so die hard I suspect
@cccbeats_
Жыл бұрын
As a Manchester United fan, we're not getting anywhere near the Champions League final anyway lad😂
@leonardnimoy7
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I have been United for over 40 years and I agree with you. 👹
Double standard for different people DV is a complex matter! After all Ryan Giggs allegedly did worse , even with sister in-law. They are footballers not moral crusaders!
What’s Andrew Tate got to do with this 😡😡😡😡😡
Why would man utd continuing to punish him if the court didn’t find it fit to punish him. Does it make sense. Was he a serial abuser, the answer is no.
Footballers of this caliber are roll models. Why would anyone with any moral sense say "ok, she is back with him so it doesn't matter". This sends the total wrong message and will not help him at all.
@pabloes588
Жыл бұрын
Why are they role models? Not because they’re famous? If you have to have role models who simply kick a ball around then I put it to you that the parents needs to educate the children better
@gen6807
Жыл бұрын
@@pabloes588 obviously he's a role model to kids that want to play professionally. kids that love football. kids that aspire to play for their club. everyone aspires to be successful, and if you love a sport why not aspire to be a professional? making the elite footballers role models lol
@matthewmckellar698
Жыл бұрын
What job can he do?
22 yr plus utd fan here.... thank you for talking about this, sincerely i will end my support of the club if he ever plays for us again. im devastated tbh
@starbwoy133
Жыл бұрын
Really? So even at your tender age of 22, if you made a mistake in life and it was possible to learn from it but yet you'd be happy for your career to end because of a mistake at 22?
@cryoraptora303tm2
Жыл бұрын
@@starbwoy133 Poor comprehension. Read his comment again, slowly this time. Also, you are more than mature enough to know that beating women is wrong at 22. A 22 year old is a grown adult. A mistake in life at 22 is nicking a few chocolate bars, or punching someone at the pub, not beating and coercing women. You deserve punishment at any age for that.
@starbwoy133
Жыл бұрын
@@cryoraptora303tm2are you OK? What did I not comprehend? I'm comparing someone who is 22 with an 18 year old and asking whether at 22 if a mistake was made would he expect his career to end?
@miguelramalho8792
Жыл бұрын
@@starbwoy133it’s a valid point. So what does that mean for prisoners being released, they can never work? Ostracised forever from society? They may as well end their lives. What else can they do???
@geekylove3603
Жыл бұрын
James does not believe criminals should ever work again. I didn't know James lives in Yikesville.
He shouldn't ever play for Man utd again and if another team wishes to award him a contract its up to them. He's probably best moving to Saudi...
Im a united fan, I don’t want him anywhere near my club