If the abuse was against the caller's daughter, he wouldn't just want him lose his career, he'd want him lose his life. Hypocrites all of them.

@adamalexander5181

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. It’s easy to defend people when it doesn’t affect you personally but I don’t believe for a moment they’d be all for forgiveness etc if it was their daughter

@happyguilmore4253

10 ай бұрын

Would you be happy if your daughter dropped the charges?? Because that’s what happened. He hasn’t got a criminal record because of her. If he does it again,it will be his first conviction. She’s no better than him

@joekavanagh7171

10 ай бұрын

Funny then how the alleged "victim's" father has no problem with her being with Greenwood.

@vaughan1379

10 ай бұрын

You forget that She does have a father 🤦🏼‍♂️

This country is morally in the gutter.

@chatham43

Жыл бұрын

...well done Sherlock..🙂

@CliffUK49

Жыл бұрын

Not just morally 😔😔😔.

@nigelbenn4642

Жыл бұрын

Errr yeah, where you been for the last decade?

@ThomasKing19933

Жыл бұрын

​@@nigelbenn4642Watching the Tories rip this country to shreds.

@nigelbenn4642

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomasKing19933 Then this is no shock to you.

People actually making excuses for this guy is disturbing, if it was there daughter, sister, mother would they still be defending him

@marzipanmonkey

10 ай бұрын

It really is. But because he's a very talented young prospect Utd fans put football before morality.

@ghamandlupin

8 ай бұрын

Erm, excuse me. I'm a Manchester United fan and I don't put football before morality, thanks very much. I suggest you retract or edit your comment here.@@marzipanmonkey

@marzipanmonkey

8 ай бұрын

@@ghamandlupin You need to take it as read that I don’t literally mean every single Man Utd and it’s generalising a little. But I have seen PLENTY of Utd fans who don’t seem to care and just want him to pull the shirt on again because all that matters is he’s a talented young player. Fair play if you yourself don’t agree and want him out of your club.

@ghamandlupin

8 ай бұрын

@@marzipanmonkey I want him out of football altogether

The amount of utterly deluded United fans saying he made a ‘mistake’. A mistake is knocking a drink over not abusing a woman. Christ do these people have any morals at all

@tomheeks2830

Жыл бұрын

it's football, so no of course they don't.

@mrbeanie5314

Жыл бұрын

Prince Andrew made a mistake

@tomheeks2830

Жыл бұрын

he made many to be fair@@mrbeanie5314

@Robert-ks5ix

Жыл бұрын

He's made that "mistake" multiple times as well. What do you expect from United fans?

@markluxford1610

Жыл бұрын

Thomas partey ? I’m a gooner what is happening in this world!!!

The first caller is nuts. Being paid 75k a week is NOT a punishment. Barring him from playing but still paying him is a slap on the wrist

@hardstone76

Жыл бұрын

Greenwood's salary depends on the contract he signed with the club. If the club stopped paying him without due cause under contract law, he could sue the club to get the money plus damages for breach of contract

@khaltsharivist365

Жыл бұрын

@jujitsujew23 if he had shares or some other investments that gave him a similar return should he lose those too as punishment?

@DW-indeed

Жыл бұрын

​@@khaltsharivist365that's return on investment of money already earned. Not the same as receiving new money. In order to fund whatever lifestyle, it would diminish that investment, so it's in a way punitive.

@johnatter5250

Жыл бұрын

First caller is spot on.

@franklingoodwin

Жыл бұрын

@@hardstone76 They've paid him the entire time. It's public knowledge

I feel sorry for the first caller’s daughters.

I am a lifelong Manchester United fan and I will categorically stop following this club if Greenwood plays again. I cannot get my head around anyone thinking this is ok.

@miguelramalho8792

Жыл бұрын

His behaviour isn’t ok. But he needs to work doesn’t he? So Mason will now be punished for the rest of his life, unable to work because of this poor behaviour? That’s it? So if you’re a prisoner your in the same boat, ostracised from the rest of society forever? These people may as well end their lives then. What’s the alternative?

@richardwegrzyn

Жыл бұрын

@@miguelramalho8792 not suggesting he can’t work. Just that he shouldn’t be at a top level sport being basically worshipped by millions. He can go work in Tesco, plenty of people do. He’s already earned more than many do in their entire careers.

@chomskysarmy3965

Жыл бұрын

@@miguelramalho8792 you got the last bit right.

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

There are 650 million United fans worldwide, the vast majority of whom disagree with you. But then maybe they're not entitled to their opinion?

@richardwegrzyn

Жыл бұрын

@@joekavanagh7171 I can’t get my head around people thinking lots of things. Doesn’t mean I think they’re not entitled to their opinion. Didn’t suggest that in anyway. If anything you seem to be suggesting I’m not entitled to my opinion.

people are acting like his life will be over if he doesnt play for man utd again. hes already a millionaire. he can have a second chance without playing for prem club.

@ItsNotRealLife

Жыл бұрын

It would feel like his life would be over, in fact half of his life would be if he never played again or had to downgrade to one of the lower leagues

@Lesley_Snipes

Жыл бұрын

@@ItsNotRealLife who cares how he feels at this point. Anything other than jail should feel like a positive for him. You can’t seriously think he should be allowed the privilege to compete in the prem?

@alexmetcalfe7419

Жыл бұрын

@@ItsNotRealLife So what, not playing football is not a punishment. He's been paid £75k a week over that time also.

@troywright359

11 ай бұрын

James said he should never have any employment again. Anywhere, even for rentokil or tescos.

If he was bad at football, there wouldn't be so many people defending him

@vaughan1379

10 ай бұрын

No if he wasn’t a Manchester United player everybody would’ve forgotten, he would be back playing for the same club🤷🏼‍♂️

@chrisguy9017

10 ай бұрын

I disagree. If he wasn’t a teenager there wouldn’t be as many people defending him.

People don't seem to understand that jobs like footballer, politician etc are a privilege. His future employment isn't affected, he could become an accountant, stack shelves at ASDA or anything else. He doesn't deserve his position, children shouldn't be looking up to him. Women aren't a learning curve, he should disappear into obscurity like the rest of the general public.

@P.scotland

Жыл бұрын

Very wet put.

@johnatter5250

Жыл бұрын

How about no. Has he been found guilty

@franklingoodwin

Жыл бұрын

@@stephjsinclair Exactly. The burden of proof in civtl cases are different to criminal cases. That recording would almost definitely be enough evidence to terminate Greenwood's contract

@geekylove3603

Жыл бұрын

James does not believe criminals should ever work again. I didn't know James lives in Yikesville.

@franklingoodwin

Жыл бұрын

@@geekylove3603 Do you ever speak about the topic of conversations or just about what James says or believes (or in this case what you think he said rather than what he actually said)? No opinions on what the callers have to say?

If he was an average player this wouldn’t even be a debate Utd would get rid. This is just about Utd trying to keep a top talent regardless of what he’s done.

@Valentindk

11 ай бұрын

He has not done anything wrong, the case was dismissed ? So now cause we can ruin a mans life by false alligations ?

I've been a Man Utd fan for 20 years but if Mason Greenwood returns to the club then I won't be able to support them anymore.

@piusgabriel3464

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the support and u can find a new club now

@HakunonMatata

Жыл бұрын

You were never a United fan. If you were, you would have dropped your support years ago after allegations against Giggs and Ronaldo came out.

So he is not allowed to play football but can do another job? Why is one job different to any other job What about those who drink and drive, why do they get to play again Who decides which act is too much and which can be forgiven.

@derchisman007

Жыл бұрын

Professional footballers are role models and looked up to by kids. He should not be seen in that light. End of.

@skyelineblue

Жыл бұрын

I’m with you.

@NeoPsyPsy

Жыл бұрын

​​@@derchisman007 but anyone in any profession can be a role model to someone so what you on about. Him being a role model to 60 million and someone to 10 people is the same because the both have influence, the difference is the number. If the opinion is he shouldn't work on the football scene, and ManU shouldn't be associated with such, why should Tesco or any other company be associated with such

@nargis751

Жыл бұрын

@@derchisman007 when people look for role models, they don’t pick out something as bad behaviour and aspire to that.

I am a UTD fan but won't buy any merchandise or support the team any longer if he plays in the shirt again.

@nathanfurnival8724

Жыл бұрын

Sure

@georgef822

Жыл бұрын

We all know that won't actually happen.

@baloney4kony

Жыл бұрын

I'll be buying 15 shirts with his name on the first time he's back on the pitch. Kid is talented & deserves support, not crybaby fans who believe everything they read on social media. Zero charges.

@Gargamel616

Жыл бұрын

Bye 👋

@oxymoron02

Жыл бұрын

​@@baloney4kony So if someone attacked your mother but wasn't charged, they're innocent.

I’m a United fan and I don’t want him to ever play for the club again.

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

I'm a United fan and I want him back. So do the vast majority of United's 650 million worldwide fans.

I’m a Utd fan of 40+ years and I cannot unhear what I heard. I don’t believe he should play for the club again. Yeah, the charges were dropped, it would still set a poor precedent for the club. I would have to stop supporting them.

@TheChampIsHere_

Жыл бұрын

Man utd have a history of this ..look at ryan giggs. Cant think of another club with so many shady legends

@marvinsamuels1237

Жыл бұрын

@@TheChampIsHere_ True!

@CoroDan

Жыл бұрын

Same here, 40+ years too. He's also a product of the club. Been with Utd since age 7. At the academy. This reflects very poorly on the mentoring provided by United.

@russellward4624

Жыл бұрын

​@TheChampIsHere_ but Giggs wasn't charged with a crime. Sleeping with your brothers wife is awful behavior, but not illegal. This is 1,000,000xs worse.

@marvinsamuels1237

Жыл бұрын

@@russellward4624 I think they were referring to the domestic violence case. He was found not guilty by a jury, but having the money for the best solicitor can make a difference.

As a life long united fan I could not agree more with James

@raveenb7239

11 ай бұрын

I hope you have the same stands on people who racially abuse others because in my eyes both of offense are equal if not worst which is just a big problem that we have in society but I don’t see the media going on on this which is what infuriates me. You guys are hypocrites and choose to turn a blind eye

@NickQuigley-dp9so

11 ай бұрын

Your basing your decision only on the the information that you have seen and heard, which I can understand why, but dont you think she leaked the audio because she was trying to influence the public to support her, also at the start james didnt mention when she dropped the charges she presented the police with new evidence

@scrimbo5319

9 ай бұрын

@@NickQuigley-dp9soeven if that’s why she leaked the audio so what? He still did it lol

Do we punish people with the court of public opinion or court of law? Society has for a few years gone down the road of convicting and punishing people without being found guilty in a court of law.

@davidmcmillan4183

Жыл бұрын

And destroying some people's lives in the process, before they are exonerated in the court of law.

@Naz123Gul

Жыл бұрын

@@davidmcmillan4183 spot on

@samuelavlonitis1979

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree fully, but with greenwoods case after everything you’ve seen, do you truly believe he didn’t do these things? He simply just can’t be charged for it, it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. So as an employer, who tries to hold some standards, you should see this incident that 99% likely occurred, go to Greenwood, and say “hey we don’t tolerate this, you’re out.” He’ll find a new club, someone in the world will take him. But he’s gonna learn a very harsh lesson and face his consequences like a man.

@Naz123Gul

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelavlonitis1979 I simply don’t know if he did these things, nobody does. The lad and the girl only know, she put up images of bruises. How do we know greenwood gave her the bruises? We simply don’t know, and without all the facts it’s wrong to publicly convict someone.

@samuelavlonitis1979

Жыл бұрын

@@Naz123Gul we don’t truly know for a sure fact, but crimes get prosecuted without the prosecutor being there for the scene of the crime because they go thru the evidence. The evidence looks so clear and lines up with how abusive relationships go, and Greenwood hasn’t tried to deny these actions, him and his team are trying to move on (they know it happened) So you can’t prosecute him in court but your employer is not bound by this and can look at an unpunished incident and still rightfully fire you because it violates their conduct policy. But it’s United so y’all might really be that bad of a club. You guys might really not care that players who millions of kids look up to beat women.

Oh the irony, on the one hand you have James O'Brien calling out the tories for calling the courts and judges "enemies of the people' or whatever it was and now we cant trust the courts to deliver a fair conclusion? Which is it??

Then anybody who's been to prison should never be able to work again.

Some football fans really are blinkered

It's just scary to me that, as a result of exceptional talent and resources, teenagers like him grow up in a world where they could be led to believe that such behaviour is acceptable and lack the basic empathy to understand that it's not.

@Omar_Little

11 ай бұрын

Resources have nothing to do with it. There are domestic abusers/rapists of all economic classes.

@vaughan1379

10 ай бұрын

Such things are not acceptable, but we don’t know the full story

Any Man Utd fan I know does NOT want him in the team and would no longer be a fan of said team if he's back in the team.

@brianbenson9469

Жыл бұрын

What if u know a few let a guy have a second chance

@gen6807

Жыл бұрын

@@brianbenson9469 you dont get a second chance if you're a multimillionaire footballer when the public has heard that disgusting audio

@joshcooper7

Жыл бұрын

I am a United fan. I want him back

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

You're hanging out with the wrong people. The overwhelming majority of United fans worldwide want him back.

I'm a United fan of 40 years. Greenwood should never be allowed to play in the shirt again. I am dumbstruck at how long it's taken for the club to make a decision.

Very complicated. Interviewer is pretty arrogant. Two years not working. Publucally shamed. A legacy hanging over him. It is quite a punishment. In a non public world he would be better off with two years in prison and freedom to carry on his life. Public trial and historical smearing is a massive punishment over the crime. I would take 3 years in prison and my own ability to reflect on my wrongs. Interviewer is quite nasty and does not listen.

At what point did getting paid 70k a week to not do your job, become a punishment?

@gen6807

Жыл бұрын

man u are paying the wages. he's a product of man u. he would be getting paid way more via sponsors if he didnt do what he did. they cant cancel his contract because he wasn't charged, but we have all heard that disgusting audio and he would definitely prefer being compared with Saka 2 years ago than have to hide from the public

@DFD542

Жыл бұрын

@@gen6807 so his punishment was only being paid a fortune, when he could have been paid even more? And he hasn't been able to score more goals? Are you living on planet earth?

Really glad this had made it into mainstream media now.

@stevemitchell1454

Жыл бұрын

When our country has been brought to its knees by a lying, cheating , cruel government the fact we are discussing this shows the petty mentality engendered by media. If his fiance has forgiven the kid who are you to say you don't? Holier than thou.

@ColinUTD

Жыл бұрын

@@stevemitchell1454 This was the end of a 3 hour show.

@blueodum

Жыл бұрын

@@ColinUTD Should never have been touched as a topic since the criminal charges were withdrawn and JoB doesn't know the full story.

@ColinUTD

Жыл бұрын

@@blueodum Someone needed to put pressure on the club to do the right thing and not let him play for the club again.

James O'brian…nobody gets a second chance…personally as a united supporter I wouldn’t have mason back but you cannot stop a player, who hasn’t been convicted of the crime, playing ever again…

Anytime some guy opens with "I'm a father of x daughters" you know you're about hear some grade-A garbage...

@philwill0123

Жыл бұрын

only if they defend attacks from men against women

We saw Dele Alli confess to Gary about his sleeping pills and alcohol use. Those are habits that can be changed. MG is a psychopath, that is inherent.

I meaN it’s pretty clear. Player abuses woman - she complains Player gets woman pregnant - she drops charges Nothing has changed. He’s still abused her.

Behaviours have deteriorated in most western societies. Men abusing women or children should mean a long long jail sentence. These narcissistic thugs need highlighting in all parts in society.

@cyeamaculture8486

Жыл бұрын

You think men abusing woman and children is a sign that society is getting worse? They've always done it

@geekylove3603

Жыл бұрын

James does not believe criminals should ever work again. I didn't know James lives in Yikesville.

@Wow91163

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexRomeli of course it’s going to get ignored again because this comment thread simply isn’t about what you want it to be about. I agree some people have a terrible attitude towards men being abused by women but on the whole it’s spoken about less because it happens less, and often less severely. But engaging in whataboutery isn’t going to win anyone to your cause… it just comes across as crass and tactless. Not to mention makes it look like you don’t care about violence towards women.

@blueodum

Жыл бұрын

@@stephjsinclair It's relevant because it was in response to a comment that said men who abuse women and/or children should have long jail sentences. That post brought gender into it.

"He was just 18" is a weird defense. Now he's 21.

@cathyg7767

Жыл бұрын

There is NO defence for this vile behaviour. He needs to learn that the very hard way. No Team should ever play him again.

@user-su7ie6ip2o

Жыл бұрын

@@cathyg7767 There's no defence, I agree entirely. But a kid of 18 probably deserves the chance to prove he has learned from his mistake and grown into a responsible adult. Whether that means he should be allowed to play football again, I can't say. But if we completely write off people at such a young age and prevent them from working, especially without a trial, then it will cost society a lot more than just the money spent on their subsequent income support or jail time.

@GavinRawson

Жыл бұрын

@@user-su7ie6ip2o Agree with this. James saying he cant effectively work again I don't agree with, I cant imagine James being against rehabilitation projects that help ex convicts get their lives back on track after prison and help them get employment.

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

All these comments are based on the assumption that he actually did what he is alleged to have done. The CPS also heard the tape, and decided to drop the case, and they know a lot more about the circumstances than any of you.

@inBODwetrust13

Жыл бұрын

​@@cathyg7767other than the CPS found that he had no case to answer suggesting he may not have committed a criminal offence

Ha, the listener with two young girls sticking up for a man who abuses his girlfriend.!!! Would he feel the same if the tables were turned!? What a fool

Please, please don't let Greenwood back into my beloved club.

That last call with the teacher was seriously eye-opening. It is sad, not only to see the worst people get away with everything because of their status, but to also represent what children aspire to be. Horrific, quite frankly, and I do not envy any teacher who has to deal with that type of behaviour, en masse

@jmcc2275

Жыл бұрын

I could see that coming about 40 yrs ago….so I left the profession.

@fatpandapop7221

Жыл бұрын

Why does James and every other news outlet deliberately leave out full quote “In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light” what is this new material it’s clearly in the CPS statement but deliberately left out by the media who seek to crucify this boy. The audio leaked online is only a snippet of the full recording why? Where is the full audio recording. You are suggesting a very dangerous precedent be set that someone accused and never convicted of a crime should never be able to work again is absurd. Debating on national radio the life of 2 young people who are new parents and must be under incredible mental strain where is the compassion for the young mother the stress must be horrific. The CPS could have brought the charges without her consent or cooperation and the key witnesses may well have been friends/acquaintances of the accused or the alleged victim. Maybe they didn’t want to purger themselves. You do not know the facts you do not know the context of the tape or what was said before or after and you seek to destroy lives of 2 people and a new born child.

@mattcox919

Жыл бұрын

The teacher was absolutely bang on. As the EDI lead at my school, I recognise everything he says, from Tate to the misogyny... all of it. And schools struggle when we only see these kids for short periods, but these behaviours and views are reinforced constantly by family, media, society and friends. Its awful

@fatpandapop7221

Жыл бұрын

@@mattcox919 what is a woman?

@fatpandapop7221

Жыл бұрын

@@mattcox919 Hi Matt? Do you think men who transition into women should be able to play women’s football?

Does the same standard apply to Amber Heard whom there is plenty of evidence she was guilty of domestic and physiological abuse. Or Hip Hop stars and Rock stars whom have committed terrible crimes? For example John Lennon was a wife and child beater yet his music is still listened too and no one seemed to want him cancelled when he was alive? Gazza was another wife beater but is a national sympathy figure and revered.

@theyoungwolf9852

Жыл бұрын

Look at the lead singer of Aerosmith he literally got a 14 year old pregnant made her have an abortion and shot up heroine with her

@bountylad

Жыл бұрын

And Chris Brown who allegedly did the same to Rihanna but who is still having sold-out concerts in the UK. But Mason Greenwood is the grim ripper himself who should never be allowed to work ever again although he was never convicted of a crime........ridiculous to say the least

@danielsampson7530

11 ай бұрын

Correct

According to OBrien, he should be unemployable for the rest of his life, at 21 and therefore a burden on society…… This sums up how out of touch with reality OBrien really is.

James is wrong

So should he never been employed again and live on the street? Even if Man Utd let him go, should he never be able to provide for himself or family anymore?

He's not been charged so O'Brian has him guilty when he's not been found guilty

@Laytown

Жыл бұрын

Such a basic view. Do you know the statistics around convictions for abuse? So because he wasnt charged because people weren't willing to testify (very common) it's all ok and things should just go back to normal for him, where for others in nearly any other industry they wouldn't (regardless of a conviction) all because he's 'a' single 'footballer'....

@nowandrew4442

Жыл бұрын

@@Laytown It is that basic mate. Our legal system has a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. It doesn't matter in the slightest how completely dead-to-rights a criminal is. **Nobody** is allowed to treat him as a criminal until the verdict has been delivered, or otherwise leverage sanctions or penalties on the basis of mere (even well-founded) accusations.

@LoftusBlake

Жыл бұрын

​@@LaytownGreenwood shouldn't be made a example of because the system is flawed

@Laytown

Жыл бұрын

@@LoftusBlake so just because the system is flawed and he wasn't convicted. His actions were what, not bad enough that you think everything should just move on? If you heard a recording of someone being like that to your sister...would you just forgive them? Because they weren't convicted...

@ir1041

Жыл бұрын

In a legal sense yes, nobody is allowed to treat him an a criminal. The public can do whatever they want - we aren’t held to the same standards as the government or criminal court. We are allowed to believe what he did was wrong.

James is waffling!

You either understand the rule of law, or you don't. Plainly you are in the latter camp. You should be ashamed of yourself, rather than glorying in your purported right to find someone guilty without trial.

I've watched the video and seen the pics and, having been a Man Utd supporter since 1968 I don't care about innocent until proven guilty. He shouldn't play for Utd again. I can only imagine the CPS case was closed because the woman who was clearly abused withdrew from the case and that raises questions in itself. That said, I don't see how it matters if she withdrew - the video is proof enough for a conviction.

@imax787

Жыл бұрын

Go support another team we will support man utd whether u are here or not

@leeeastwood6368

Жыл бұрын

no, it wasn't enough for a conviction. we know that, because he wasn't convicted!

@user-dh4rb4rs2w

Жыл бұрын

Yes. She had every opportunity to punish an abuser. Oh, but he is a rich abuser so no. I can drop the charges and everything can be sunshine and rainbow. Please let no one attack United. Attack the courts that let him go. Attack the girl that dropped charges.

@simzism

Жыл бұрын

Unless he was harming her in said video, its not enough evidence for a conviction. It's evidence that an assault has occurred.

Nothing irritates me more than people saying they condemn something when they clearly don’t. That caller who said what happened was horrible, but also that it was just a mistake drove me me up the wall Just say you don’t really care if that’s what you think

@starbwoy133

Жыл бұрын

I agree with the caller, he was a kid at 18, can't condemn a young man for life because of a mistake. If he was in his 30s the it's a whole different ball game but to finish a young man's life at 18 seems incredibly harsh.

@Suksass

Жыл бұрын

​@starbwoy133 Mistake is doing that shot while they are juvenile. 18 is year of adulthood and you fully being responsible for your actions. Beating a woman isn't a mistake, it's a deplorable action and should be punished.

@fibson9775

Жыл бұрын

​@@SuksassYour brain doesn't stop growing untill your 25 though.

@starbwoy133

Жыл бұрын

​@Suksass I understand your point but myself being 41 and remembering when I was 18, I was practically a child. What did I really know about life at the age of 18? Yes technically you're considered an adult but life experience at that age is practically zero.

@Suksass

Жыл бұрын

@@fibson9775 nether is your height but by 18 you already know what will land you in trouble and in jail.

Note to the first caller....don't call into a radio show again

The lad should go abroad to Spain or Italy and restart his career, he has been condemned by the media and all charges dropped. Move on.

I am united fan. I don’t think he should play again. However we don’t know what actually happened. Only what she wanted the public to see and hear. Remember that. No charges have been kept. No trial no nothing. So everyone, me included are basing it on what we think. Not what is factual as again we only seen what she wanted us to see. There’s no right or wrong opinion because again no one knows the facts. I think talk sport said that we convicted on public opinion then that’s a kangaroo court not actually court. And James has already made his mind up on this before it even aired. And yes with it been Manchester United it has more to do with it because it’s Manchester United. It would of been better for united if this did go to trial then either way the decision would of been someone else’s.

@raveenb7239

11 ай бұрын

Always remember when you are digging a hole for someone else make sure you dig one for yourself. Please remember you are human and you are prone to make a mistake like anyone else think about how you would want to be treated. Food for thought

@NickQuigley-dp9so

11 ай бұрын

What James didnt mention was the fact she presented the police with new evidence proving he was innocent of the crimes.

@troywright359

11 ай бұрын

New evidence he wasn't guilty, what was it?

Child services need to do a welfare check on the first guys daughters

WONT SUPPORT UTD ANYMORE IF HE RETURNS 😢 WOMEN ABUSERS ARE EVIL

Sorry lads, he’s not convicted nor do we know the actual relationship dynamic. Defending yourself to the public would result in a kangaroo court. Leave greenwood be and hold your own personal opinions because that’s all you have. Plus if he bags a hat trick your doing a 50 yard knee slide on the concrete

@HakunonMatata

Жыл бұрын

So true. Remember when CR7 was loathed by english fans after WC2006? Within months, he's scoring goals constantly for Man Utd and all of the sudden, the people I see that hated him are now dressing and looking exactly like him wearing CR7 shirts

If people are looking to football players, or celebrities in general, for some kind of moral guidance then thats frankly disturbing. Its also interesting that we didn't hear anywhere near the same level of debate about whether a certain more well known much older striker should be brought back to the same club after he was accused of the same crime.

@Remnants100

Жыл бұрын

Sadly Mason Greenwood is still potentially a financial asset to the Club. Money trumps Morals in every aspect of today's society.

@leeallen463

Жыл бұрын

@@Remnants100 As I said, I don't go to celebrities for morals, so for me the only concerns are football related and consistency. If I was going to go down the moral route then I'd have started with the relatively long list of well known players and celebrities accused of the actual crime before getting to people who were accused of attempting it.

@thehellyousay

Жыл бұрын

@@leeallen463 personally, I'd start listing the athletes and celebrities convicted before listing those accused.

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

​@@Remnants100Morals? Where's the morality in sacking someone who has not been found guilty of any crime?

@geekylove3603

Жыл бұрын

James does not believe criminals should ever work again. I didn't know James lives in Yikesville.

Do we then throw the legal system and follow the public court opinion????

I guess 'Innocent till proven Guilty' doesn't matter in the mind of James O'Brien and many in the liberal society of the UK

Man United should terminate his contract for bringing the club in to disrepute- the fact he was charged is sufficient

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

So are you suggesting that it's sufficient to be charged with a crime to be presumed guilty? Do you want to do away with the legal system and a person's right to a fair trial?

@chrism6315

Жыл бұрын

Greenwood should never play for united again. This opinion is nonsense. Presumption of innocence is a fundamental part of the law and should not change. However, we all heard the tape and united are in the public entertainment business, sack him and move on.

@philipford3921

Жыл бұрын

@@joekavanagh7171no but there’s enough smoke here for an employer to terminate his contract and every club to make their own mind up about employing him. There’s no legal matter to discuss

I look forward to the day when O'Brian falls off his morally superior supercilious perch

But he’d allow a migrant who attacked a person to “ to better himself” and get employment.

Is mason guilty of the accusations leveled against him? did you really know what happened between them? Is it not the same girl they has a child together after everything was dropped

@johnbull1568

Жыл бұрын

Loaction: Nigeria.

@riecoclothing3926

Жыл бұрын

​@@johnbull1568it's funny to try and turn this into an excuse to show how you're morally superior because of the country you was born in. There's plenty of English people that want him back in the team.

@petechambers541

Жыл бұрын

​@@riecoclothing3926only black people

@JDOE20

Жыл бұрын

Finally an intelligent comment

@HakunonMatata

Жыл бұрын

@@petechambers541 Guess we're going full mask off, huh?

As a Man Utd fan, it disgusts me that we are even considering letting this man play for our club again. The audio alone tells you everything you need to know about him as a man. If we have any sense both morally and financially, we should get him out of the door as quickly as possible. When you think of how far the women's side have come the last few years as well, this would be spitting in their faces to allow such a vie individual back it the team. I hope the club makes the right decision.

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

I'm a United fan too, and I totally disagree, as do the vast majority of United's 650 million worldwide fans, who actually believe in respect for the law and not kangaroo courts.

@fatpandapop7221

Жыл бұрын

How do feel about George Best and that a statue of a man who violently assaulted hospitalised and abused women sits at the front entrance of Old Trafford. Why would you support a club that would do that?

@nowandrew4442

Жыл бұрын

Since when has any football club, apart from maybe Arsenal, but certainly least of all ManUtd, given a faintest hoot about the moral disposition of their assets..? Scratch that, when has any ***_company_*** at all ever acted *_*in advance*_* of public outcry at a moral transgression? Possibly once in Sweden or Norway. Never in the world anywhere else.

@christianwarwicker5775

Жыл бұрын

@@nowandrew4442 Yeah very true, it's all about maximising profits no matter the cost.

@christianwarwicker5775

Жыл бұрын

@@joekavanagh7171 I'm not sure the majority do, at least I'd hope not. Also it's not a kangaroo court, there's clear evidence of him assaulting/attempting to assault her via the photos and the audio (which is incredibly disturbing). The fact the case was dropped was because the woman in question dropped out as a witness, and without her testimony alongside the evidence they had no choice. It doesn't mean he's innocent, he's clearly not. The woman has been failed by pretty much everyone, including the manchester police who didn't stop Greenwood seeing her when he was on bail.

He is not guilty in the court of law he should not face another trial based on peoples opinion. He should be free to live his life!

Punishment for what?? A crime should be taken through a justice system- then there should never be a referree or VAR in football going by his argument. The tapes would form the evidence then you mean the justice system should be thrown to the bin!!

Publicly announcing that they are waiting for the women's team input is in pretty poor taste. Is the club not strong enough to make the tough decision or are they happy to let the women's team carry the can (and abuse they will get) if they jettison him? Disgusting.

@bolajifashola7126

Жыл бұрын

except it was never "publically" announced? or can you point to the club's statement saying so?

People mainly men making excuses for him.. just because he’s a talented footballer.. so gross

First caller has definitely thumped his missus

@brandonfromlondonuk3484

11 ай бұрын

🤣

This is why certain people have to commit suicide. The Public Judgement on this man like everyone else is so perfect is baffling!!

Why does James need to forgive him? The lady forgives him. She is all that matters. As someone that had an abusive relationship where my gf hit me every day for 3 years there are 2 sides to every story. In my case,when I called the police, she slammed her own fingers in a door to break them so she could be the victim. I ended up being knifed and receiving multiple injuries. My point is that a recording when she stabbed me and then ran to hurt herself would have included me saying some terrible things. Context is everything. Nobody has heard the 10 minutes prior to the recording. I'm not excusing him, but I recall trying to tell people she was an abusive narcissist and all people ever did was look at her fingers and call me a wrong'un or worse. He probably is a spoiled sportsman who felt entitled. But she forgives him. So we move on. And he has the right to work.

@daithicondon9976

Жыл бұрын

Actual sense being spoken

@darrengordon-hill

Жыл бұрын

APPEASE JAMES!! HE IS THE SUPREME RESPECTER OF WOMEN!!

I know he hasn't been charged, is deemed innocent in the eyes of the law, etc etc and therefore should be allowed to follow whatever career path he chooses. But we all heard that audio clip, it was revolting and despicable. Being innocent in the eyes of the law is not the same as being innocent in an ethical or moral sense. He is a scumbag who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the elite status that being Premier League footballer would continue to give him.

@SamoIsKing

Жыл бұрын

Thats my exact thoughts. I wouldnt want him anywhere near my club.

@kalm4766

Жыл бұрын

The reason this country has a judicial system is to determine guilt, this isn't the job of the people, vigilantism is not something that's allowed, in the eyes of the law he's not guilty, and people have have to accept this. Only those people in the courtroom know all the facts, all we have is a audio clip and you think you can determine guilt with that, it's just ridiculous

@bryanfarnet2037

Жыл бұрын

@@kalm4766All I’ll say to that is if someone you knew was implicated in offences against children but the case never came to trial, would you leave them alone to look after your children?

@loganthegwar8979

Жыл бұрын

​@@kalm4766except he was never found not guilty, massive difference between the trial not going ahead and being found innocent... We all heard the audio, we all saw the pictures. He's a scumbag. Your choice if you choose to excuse that behaviour.

@kalm4766

Жыл бұрын

@@loganthegwar8979 My verdict is, I don't know what happened, and I'm not going to judge this incident on an audio clip and some pictures, that's the reason people go to trial to understand both sides of the story, if the trial did not go ahead it'll probably means there wasn't sufficient evidence

Paid off with money or threats is why this case never happened. MUFC should be disgusted and be looking for the next predator.

Toxic men will always stand up for other toxic men.

"Is the problem he's playing for Man U?" I've heard of not playing with a full deck but this guy is yelling Uno during a poker game

Greenwood should not be allowed to play football in the top leagues. Full stop.

Did he get charged with anything??? If not why are you trying to cancel him??

But the point is - what does the audio even prove? It could be role play? It’s a snippet of something. She could have made it all up. Set him up. Been playing along. She also told the world over social media rather than go to the police in the first instance. She is still with the guy and just had a child. It’s a lot less clear than “there’s a recording so he did it”

If its was the caller's daughter, bleeding and bruised, would he say the same thing?

@IamEnygma

Жыл бұрын

The parents of this victim have have been defending Greenwood from the start too.

£75000 per week for beating his girlfriend up. Sack him.

Gotta love how these self righteous radio personalities act as if they've never done anything questionable in their lives. Even people who commit henous crimes serve time and are rehabilitated and reintegrated in to society. This man is advocating for him to be punished forever. Completely unreasonable and quite pathetic.

How can someone with daughters be fine with this? Would he be fine if someone did this to his daughter? And if you'd be fine with it then you don't deserve to have children.

@joshcooper7

Жыл бұрын

My daughter wouldn't have dropped the case if there was anything there

Lifelog United fan. If he pulls on a United jersey again I am done. They push out, quite rightly, messages about anti-racism and no online hate but they are willing to take back a monster like him. It saddens me that it has taken this long to get rid.

@isahxubairu3236

Жыл бұрын

Who care if u done no one has know u and u have a choice stop watching football or look for another club to support but Greenwood is gonna back like it or not he is coming back haters heartless and unhuman

@ianbanks3016

Жыл бұрын

@@isahxubairu3236 🤡🤡🤡🤡

He has not been found guilty of anything. We don't need feminists with wide fannies complaining about an innocent man.

@johnd6913

Жыл бұрын

😂

James obrien refusing to answer the question. So if he is never allowed to work again, what are we doing with him? He does what he always does when he can't answer a question, just keeps repeating himself

If Man Utd give him a squad number they fully deserve the vitriol, protests and media frenzy that will happen.

@user-dh4rb4rs2w

Жыл бұрын

Was he convicted? United isn’t bailing out a convicted player so let’s relax.

@Conquistador75

Жыл бұрын

@@user-dh4rb4rs2w are you asking me if he was convicted? If you are not sure the answer is no he wasn’t but preempting the media, fans, protesters, politicians and the rests actions and reactions it will become far bigger than the team and the club. So if Man Utd choose to ignore that then they get what they deserve.I wasn’t commenting on the morality of the issue just the reality.

@yatesy117

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-dh4rb4rs2wOJ Simpson wasn't convicted either.....your point?

If he was a lawyer he'd most likely be disbarred. If he was a doctor he'd most likely be struck off. This guy can still find a job. Just not in the profession he prefers

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

If he was a lawyer or doctor he would not be struck off unless the charges were proven. He would not be disbarred on the grounds of someone's "opinion" on a dubious tape put out on social media.

@Left_unsupervised_once-again

Жыл бұрын

@@joekavanagh7171 i guess it would come down to an ethics violation in their cases.

@stephenrawlings5984

Жыл бұрын

​@@joekavanagh7171He would be. The Sky Cycling Team Doctor has been struck off ( for life ! ) for prescribing a perfectly legal substance in normal life but against the rules of the sport.

@davidmcmillan4183

Жыл бұрын

@@joekavanagh7171 Amazing to me that people don't get this

@davidmcmillan4183

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenrawlings5984 from a basic google search, he was banned for four years, not life, after being given a hearing by the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service. In other words, charged and convicted through an authoritative body designed to handle such matters fairly.

Did the world stop listening to Chris Brown or did Top Music Networks stop nominating him for Awards when he Abused Rhianna?

So much hypocrisy and double standards over mason greenwood.

If Manchester United allow him to play again, it's a clear message about how they view women.

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

No, it would give a message that a man has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

@tryingmybest9819

Жыл бұрын

​@@joekavanagh7171listen to the audio dude. He's guilty

@ScarfLess117

Жыл бұрын

Did you not hear that new evidence has not been presented to the public stop and read all the facts and make a proper judgment instead of feelings

At today’s transfer values, without all of this going on, Greenwood would probably transfer for around £70m at a rough guess. That is why Manchester United are dragging their heels. Morality as usual, takes second place to money.

@Scottuz

Жыл бұрын

you're miles off with that guess, if he'd been for sale this summer, and none of this had happened then we would be looking at bids over £150m, rising to £200m without much Doubt he is looked on, as a Generational talent, and that is why he hasn't been fired already I never want to see him play for Man Utd again. and I have watched this young man since he was 12yrs old and waited for him to hit the 1st team, only for this to happen. Gutted doesn't cover how I feel Let down by him

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

Morality? Where's the morality in sacking someone who is innocent under the law, just to appease a baying mob?

@canderson1955

Жыл бұрын

@@Scottuz Harry Kane went for £80m though almost 30. Yes I’m a bit on the low side probably. Somewhere between where you are and where I am. Anyway the points the same.

@joegooner3563

Жыл бұрын

So how about the girl he supposedly best up is having his kid? Theres a few girls out there that like being treated rough, often those people get off on recording it and playing it later.

@dodgysmum8340

Жыл бұрын

i'm actually pretty sure nobody cld b found to even take him on loan and thts where their problem arises as they still hv to keep paying him.

James got this so wrong

Footballers are simply footballers. They are not our moral leaders, especially not an eighteen year old boy. He should be reprimanded, made to undergo counselling and do some penance.

He should have been thrown out of the club and not allowed to play football again , but I bet if the Mancs can get a fee for him and get him off their books they'll bite the buyers hand off.

Jams O'Brien selctively ignored the part where the CPS mentioned the emergence of "new material" because it did not fit into his narrative. Big fan of the guy but he dropped the ball on this one.

People are baffled as to why his girlfriend went back to him, but I can think of seventy five thousand reasons why.

Even the queen of England committed a lot of atrocities in a lot of countries but u guys still celebrate her, he was young and he is a change person now , he should be left alone

Die hard United fan and somebody who absolutely loved Greenwood however I listened to the audio tape... He could bag a hattrick in a Champions League final and I still would boo him

@stevemitchell1454

Жыл бұрын

You are lying. City fan.

@johnatter5250

Жыл бұрын

No u wouldn't u liar haha I would celebrate without a doubt

@joekavanagh7171

Жыл бұрын

Not so die hard I suspect

@cccbeats_

Жыл бұрын

As a Manchester United fan, we're not getting anywhere near the Champions League final anyway lad😂

@leonardnimoy7

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I have been United for over 40 years and I agree with you. 👹

Double standard for different people DV is a complex matter! After all Ryan Giggs allegedly did worse , even with sister in-law. They are footballers not moral crusaders!

What’s Andrew Tate got to do with this 😡😡😡😡😡

Why would man utd continuing to punish him if the court didn’t find it fit to punish him. Does it make sense. Was he a serial abuser, the answer is no.

Footballers of this caliber are roll models. Why would anyone with any moral sense say "ok, she is back with him so it doesn't matter". This sends the total wrong message and will not help him at all.

@pabloes588

Жыл бұрын

Why are they role models? Not because they’re famous? If you have to have role models who simply kick a ball around then I put it to you that the parents needs to educate the children better

@gen6807

Жыл бұрын

@@pabloes588 obviously he's a role model to kids that want to play professionally. kids that love football. kids that aspire to play for their club. everyone aspires to be successful, and if you love a sport why not aspire to be a professional? making the elite footballers role models lol

@matthewmckellar698

Жыл бұрын

What job can he do?

22 yr plus utd fan here.... thank you for talking about this, sincerely i will end my support of the club if he ever plays for us again. im devastated tbh

@starbwoy133

Жыл бұрын

Really? So even at your tender age of 22, if you made a mistake in life and it was possible to learn from it but yet you'd be happy for your career to end because of a mistake at 22?

@cryoraptora303tm2

Жыл бұрын

@@starbwoy133 Poor comprehension. Read his comment again, slowly this time. Also, you are more than mature enough to know that beating women is wrong at 22. A 22 year old is a grown adult. A mistake in life at 22 is nicking a few chocolate bars, or punching someone at the pub, not beating and coercing women. You deserve punishment at any age for that.

@starbwoy133

Жыл бұрын

​@@cryoraptora303tm2are you OK? What did I not comprehend? I'm comparing someone who is 22 with an 18 year old and asking whether at 22 if a mistake was made would he expect his career to end?

@miguelramalho8792

Жыл бұрын

@@starbwoy133it’s a valid point. So what does that mean for prisoners being released, they can never work? Ostracised forever from society? They may as well end their lives. What else can they do???

@geekylove3603

Жыл бұрын

James does not believe criminals should ever work again. I didn't know James lives in Yikesville.

He shouldn't ever play for Man utd again and if another team wishes to award him a contract its up to them. He's probably best moving to Saudi...

Im a united fan, I don’t want him anywhere near my club