i was 17 for the brexit referendum and couldn’t vote for my own future and now have to live with the consequences of the leave voting pensioners who are now deceased

@permabear6025

Жыл бұрын

The incessant hatred and resentment towards older people in the UK is really quite something (and I’m 34)…No wonder oldies are not keen on redistributing wealth with the likes of you 😅

@keirmitchell5560

Жыл бұрын

What a shame. If you pay taxes you vote. Anyone who doesn't shouldn't vote. If you are 17 and work you vote. if your on the dole you dont get to vote.

@bigted6351

Жыл бұрын

Same here. The idea that young people are too irresponsible to be allowed to vote when the absolute nonsense of Brexit was (generally) more supported by the older generation is outrageous. The fact some people are acting like 16 year old's wont be in touch with politics, when the most disastrous thing this country has done in decades was voted in by our elders is disgraceful.

@head_cha_la_ART

Жыл бұрын

agree with you Jack

@bassboomboing

Жыл бұрын

@@permabear6025 the 'oldies' are more likely to vote Tory. Anyone who votes Tory deserves utter contempt -it's not an age thing.

As a former 16 year old myself, no taxation without representation

@larsg.2492

Жыл бұрын

Then get rid off that first-through-the-gate voting system. Don't invalidate the votes of half the population and implement proportional representation.

@tedtedtedtedted

Жыл бұрын

i was saying that the first week my parents gave me pocket money, or at least when they introduced purchase tax anyway !

@thaifreeburma

Жыл бұрын

Encore! Stuff the gammons!

@michaelbrosnan4617

Жыл бұрын

That is a very fair point .If the state taxes you then you should have a say.

@jerrywaterfalls5865

Жыл бұрын

@@muadhnate if they earn over £12,750, no.

Tories fear democracy like Dracula fears the dawn.

@nick1065

Жыл бұрын

Really? Is that why socialists don’t accept referendums?

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers, or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@unprofessionallyamateur6354

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 there are teenagers more politically aware than some 30 year olds. Where we draw the line has and always will be arbitrary, for example driving is legal at 16, as is the age of consent (in the uk) so don’t really know what your point is.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

@PlessieNessie I literally never said that 'young twenty something adults today are too immature', you've got the wrong person lol. All I said was keep children away from adult institutions, you've called it nonsense, and then just provided some silly argument about me wanting it both ways when I literally never said such things. Also the post was sent to all the people suggesting allowing 16 year olds into adult-only institutions, they should be held accountable

@benedictcowell6547

Жыл бұрын

And Garlic

Anyone old enough to work and pay tax deserves the right to vote! It's an injustice otherwise.

@tutstut6909

Жыл бұрын

Well how about anyone who is paying taxes at that age can vote

@artoffderidikulous3009

Жыл бұрын

Why not cut 70 year olds off the rolls to even things out? Most of them make less sense than 16 year old kids.

@randyvalantino6850

Жыл бұрын

How about the eu 27 all having a referendum in or out .

@petelawless811

Жыл бұрын

Rat

@rob-c.

Жыл бұрын

@@tutstut6909 Sounds like a whole load of unnecessary admin. Plenty of 18+ year olds don’t pay tax.

My nan has the vote, and she thinks that Blair is still PM.

@bereal6590

Жыл бұрын

I have to say I thinm your nan is very lucky!!

@Manu-Official

Жыл бұрын

On a positive note, she never had to endure the reality of Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak. Hope she gets told Labour is in charge after the next general election.

@minui8758

Жыл бұрын

She actually shouldn’t. If you put her in a home they or the lawyer or one of you be automatically granted power of attorney and it would be removed at once. The fact she still votes is purely the luck of not having dementia detected by the authorities yet… That said my grandma also voted all through her dementia and in a sense it wasn’t a problem. She just put a tick next to the rose like she’s always done in every election since the Second World War ended (red flag when she first started). But she had no idea who Corbyn was when the last election came… we just sort of relied on the fact that knowing her she would have loved him if she’d known who he was and that she was very positive about him in the ten mins after we told her before she forgot again 😅 I only found out it might have been illegal when I started dating a care assistant nearly two years after she died

@holdontoyourwig

Жыл бұрын

You need to let her out of the cellar.

@Bertrum123

Жыл бұрын

Pity he's not lol

The Tories don't want younger people having the vote and we all know why.

@ejrobinson

Жыл бұрын

Same reason why they don't want Proportional Representation either, as Andrew Neill just inadvertently acknowledged.

@bl4ckkn1g8t5

Жыл бұрын

Because they lack the knowledge.

@timstoddard3707

Жыл бұрын

They do, but only if they are members of the Conservative Party when choosing the Tory leader.

@AmokSCO

Жыл бұрын

@@bl4ckkn1g8t5 Yet they choose subjects in school which dictate their future, can procreate, leave their parents, and get married from the age of 16.

@keithmoore5224

Жыл бұрын

If you pay taxes you should have the vote

"It changes their age of legal responsibility" We gonna ignore that we send 10 year olds to prison for criminal responsibility. Tories be wiiiiiilding

@suf-star7866

Жыл бұрын

They don't go to prison per se, they go to a juvenile centre

@djgames6481

Жыл бұрын

​@@suf-star7866 Which can arguabley be worse for them

@suf-star7866

Жыл бұрын

@@djgames6481 it depends on what court believes in morally right

@garywilton246

Жыл бұрын

Not ignore it... but its irrelevant to the topic of the clip

@AKHill-gj2uy

Жыл бұрын

@@suf-star7866 And the detainees at Gitmo aren't prisoners of war per se, they are enemy combatants. If it walk like a duck ...

No taxation without representation.

@larsg.2492

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that more of a US saying? And it has such a hollow ring to it, it's just a phrase you throw out without thinking about it. When do you start paying VAT then? And don't you have to pay any taxes when the first-through-the-gate system just invalidates your vote?

@DennisMoore664

Жыл бұрын

@@larsg.2492 "it's just a phrase you throw out without thinking about it." Are you new to KZread? Let's see - nope. You joined Aug 20, 2016 so by now you should recognize shitposting when you see it.

@MyBlargh

Жыл бұрын

@@larsg.2492 Doesn’t really matter where it’s from. It actually has a ring of truth to it.

@larsg.2492

Жыл бұрын

@@DennisMoore664 You're right, I'm bad at spotting that. 😅

@MrChiddler

Жыл бұрын

That’s not true in most countries. Usually only citizens can vote, sometimes permanent residents. Temporary residents pay tax but never get to vote.

If compulsory education ends at 16, being able to join the army at 16, being able to legally work at 16, then they should also be able to vote at 16. The irony being that the people trying to restrict 16 and 17 year olds from being able to vote are not able to join the army anymore and are also out of work due to being too old.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers (not just do army training as teens), or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@bubba842

Жыл бұрын

​@@jamesthompson9003you can actually do active service from 17.5 onwards. And they are not just doing training. If you join early enough you will be sent to a proper regiment at 16 or 17. You will not get any special treatment because of you being under 18. You will be a soldier and treated like every other soldier, regardless of age. I know this because I joined the army at 16 years old.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

@@bubba842 If true then that's unethical, and should be put up to 18. Also are you advocating for soldiers to fight abroad at 16, if you're suggesting 17.5 is fine? Also I'm not sure the 17.5 yo argument would work well in a regards to abused children being used in a pornographic films at that age, or would you agree that they should be banned until they turn 18?

@LoosSerine

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 The problem is, it's not all 18 is it. If they can fight wars at 16 and choose legal representation at 16 without parental involvement, then they should be able to vote on their own futures. If you think they aren't developed enough, would you also agree there should be an age threshold that people shouldn't be allowed to vote - or at least be subject to an assessment to see if you still have capacity to vote, similar to how 70 year olds have to be reassessed for driving licences due to declining health and other factors.

@hugsandcurses

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 strwaman

I was 16 in 92, I soooo wanted to vote! And 16 year olds today are much more informed and have the ability to access information than I did.

@gareth14111984

Жыл бұрын

*some.... some 16 year olds... the others are doing dumb stuff for TikTok :P

@ppo2424

Жыл бұрын

They lack the experience

@unprofessionallyamateur6354

Жыл бұрын

@@ppo2424 wouldn’t boomers have the most experience then, yet overwhelmingly vote for right wing candidates that actively make the lives of them and their children/grandchildren worse.

@P-Khing

Жыл бұрын

@@unprofessionallyamateur6354 I'd say it's less about experience for the previous generations and more general ignorance, fear of their fast changing world and also an element of greed

@daviniarobbins9298

Жыл бұрын

I was like 7 months away from my 18th birthday when the 1992 election happened. I was pretty annoyed at the time that I wasn't allowed to vote. I was in the lower sixth form at the time, about 1 month away from leaving school altogether. I think it was the 1993 local elections were the first chance I got to vote.

I was very political at 16. My politics have not changed since then and I am now in my 40s. I have very political nephews and nieces who are under 18. They know their minds and politics. Thankfully in Cymru these young adults can now vote.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers, or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@kanedNunable

Жыл бұрын

and how many gen-x will say 'oh i dont understand politics' and just vote how their newspaper tells them.

@allmodcons2274

Жыл бұрын

Same here, 59yrs old now. Give them the vote.

@robertovienescu8580

Жыл бұрын

​@@jamesthompson9003 stop copy paste the same comment everywhere BOT.

@nick1065

Жыл бұрын

And when you grow up you’ll realise the error of your ways and never vote Labour again.

In terms of "how long you will be affected by this vote", it makes more sense for young people to vote than our seniors

If a 16 yr old can be criminally responsible for crime then they should be adult enough to vote.

@ianbarnes9947

Жыл бұрын

I believe the age of criminal responsibility is 10yrs, but I do agree with you.

@diehard21000

Жыл бұрын

So you think 10 years should vote then ...

@TalesOfWar

Жыл бұрын

@@diehard21000 No. There's a gulf of difference in just those 6 years though. I think a lot of adults have been adults for so long they forget just how much things change around that age. Physically and mentally. Puberty being the most obvious one. There's a LOT of cognitive development in those 6 years.

@diehard21000

Жыл бұрын

@@TalesOfWar There maybe lot of development but your not finished growing mentally until early to mid 20s that's when you properly have your adult brain .Not saying it should be that age but I think 18 is correct

@Endoscopic911

Жыл бұрын

Then why not everything be 18? Driving, Drinking alcohol, joining the military, employment, marriage. Have the same standard across the board.

I joined the army at 17. I could have joined at 16 to defend the country and yet I wasn't able to vote. The only fear is from the Tories that they will loose.

@DylRicho

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service.

@davidty2006

Жыл бұрын

Funny how you can be sent to die in a war yet you can't pick the government that chooses which war....

@Octamed

Жыл бұрын

No one should be able to join the Army until 18

@bigzosso

Жыл бұрын

@@Octamed You cant go on an Operational Tour (Gulf War, Afghanistan) until 18 yrs old

@davidty2006

Жыл бұрын

@@Octamed We don't have conscription thus army is voluntry anyway. Also the Cadets exist.

If you're old enough to join the army, legally concieve a child, study at university, operate a vehicle or be interviewed by the police without a parent present, then you're old enough and have the opportunity to be informed enough to vote in an election.

@Anonymous-qw

Жыл бұрын

Some of those are 18. To drive a HGV in the UK you have to be over 18. You can join the army at 16 with your parents permission but you can only do training and education you can't be deployed until you are 18. If you are under 18 the police have to have a parent or some sort of social worker present. You can study at university can be any age if you can get the qualifications. Although most people who study at university are over 18 you read occasionally about child prodigies who get to university much younger, even 12.

@lestrem11

Жыл бұрын

Only if they pay tax themselves. Personally I would like an IQ test first on all voters.

@kityhawk2000

Жыл бұрын

​@Anonymous-qw there are soldiers from ww1 and ww2 who joined at 15 and died for their country and are honoured in war memorials. So its ok for them to die in a war but we must protect the youth of today from the horrors of voting? Give me a break 😒

@lestrem11

Жыл бұрын

@@kityhawk2000 That is 80 years ago….keep up or shut up. You cannot fight in a war until the age of 18.

@torbinzix1

Жыл бұрын

​@@lestrem11 so people who don't directly fight in wars aren't really contributing to the overall effort... Huh interesting 🤔

Can’t believe I was paying tax at 17 and couldn’t vote when 60 year olds dodging tax were deciding my future

I have worked out the danger for 16+17 year olds voting... Papercuts... we must protect the youth from papercuts..

@dominicg11

Жыл бұрын

I can agree - as a naive teenager in the 80's I helped my father with local campaiging and handled thousands of freshly printed and trimmed leaflets and posters - it's a wonder I wasn't scarred for life 😅

@tomvanaarle2622

Жыл бұрын

Banning paper on schools, brilliant.

Well its because younger voters, are usally left leaning. And Conservatives don't want that.

@chrisharris1522

Жыл бұрын

They could always have policies that appeal to younger people instead of just wealthy older people, that would solve the problem for them

@Jamesmallon-vg6qt

Жыл бұрын

They are left leaning because they are being indoctrinated by left wing cultural marxist teachers, so what can we expect. Anyway, the word left has lost its meaning it just means supporting the local poitical trend that is being spouted out by the Marxist media and labels anyone who opposes or questions it as being a right wing nazis, which not only ends any meaningful debate but also means that the right no longer exists either.

@markwelch3564

Жыл бұрын

​@@chrisharris1522 Tory donors don't donate to the Tory party for policies that give ordinary people a fair chance though!

@markwelch3564

Жыл бұрын

@@ianclose123 I think people are playing devil's advocate with the older vote, but it's a fair point. If having a developing brain excludes you from voting, why shouldn't a brain long past it's peak be subject to the same principle? The real question is how do we improve political engagement across all ages though. That is a more critical issue than the difference a handful of 16 and 17 year olds will make

@nick1065

Жыл бұрын

They’ll grow out of it.

Conservatives are the same worldwide.

@kanedNunable

Жыл бұрын

to an extent. conservatives in some countries not dancing into fascism tho. this is the worst they have been for 100+ years.

@nick1065

Жыл бұрын

@@kanedNunable Keep playing the victim folks.

@Cespar997

Жыл бұрын

Extreme left and extreme right are just as awful as each other.

@dav3bassman

Жыл бұрын

The American republican party are actually directly formed from the old English Whig party, who merged with the Tories around 1900 to form the conservative party because neither of them would have been able to combat Labour alone. Whigs are bad news, they're the backbench committee pushing brexit and racism etc etc, and most of them got their wealth from slavery.

@kM-ij2ly

Жыл бұрын

Definitely

It damages the tories. That's it nothing else.

@evolassunglasses4673

Жыл бұрын

It helps Labour nothing else

@copege6037

Жыл бұрын

@@evolassunglasses4673 so you’re openly admitting that you need to suppress voters to stop labour winning

@superhumantrueman

Жыл бұрын

@@evolassunglasses4673 It helps Labour because the conservatives have never lifted a finger to help the young . . .

@garygreen226

Жыл бұрын

@@evolassunglasses4673nope it stops the Tory’s from only helping the rich and old

@kanedNunable

Жыл бұрын

@@evolassunglasses4673 it helps greens, libs etc more.

Vote at 16 yes , compulsory voting yes, the option to vote "Non Of The Above" so we how many people feel they have no representation.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers, or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@joshoxley4445

Жыл бұрын

Agree with you Phil. I've always advocated for compulsory voting, with the none of the above option, makes total sense to me

@jameshansing5396

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 Here's ole spammy McSpammerson thinking he's dropping his copy & paste "truth bombs" but never hanging around to reply to the responses. Tool.

@hayuseen6683

Жыл бұрын

​@@jamesthompson9003 I don't know why you think voting and violating laws are equivalent in any sense. Adult and juvie prisons exist for different reasons than development, like adults being able to abuse people who are smaller, weaker, and less experienced. There are adults who aren't as developed as some teens but they get a vote because they've simply existed for a while. Would you pass if checked for how developed you are compared to the average?

@phil637

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 I've met many 16 year olds that have better thought out arguments than you. With the exposure to the internet and social media young people have had to grow up quicker than in my day. But people say have respect for your elders, I would say the young are the future and they need a say in it.

That first caller. I really hope she can learn to think for herself honestly and logically. She had the bottle to come on the radio and lie to the nation about her reasons for not wanting 16 year olds to have the opportunity to vote, but the real problem is that she's lying to herself.

@dreamcoyote

Жыл бұрын

She sounded like one of those people who emotionally use "protect the children" to justify any and all policy planks they want. It's spraying air freshener over a pile of manure. See! It doesn't stink! At least discuss their readiness for the responsibility (which, going by some adults, they have a very high minded opinion of their own readiness to vote).

@user-lu5ru3fl8t

Жыл бұрын

​@@dreamcoyote yes. Same sort of people saying drag brunches are somehow grooming kids. They're Nazis.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

@@dreamcoyote If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers, or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@kanedNunable

Жыл бұрын

'i dont like something because ive been told not to like it, i dont know why really' - typical right winger

@ilokivi

Жыл бұрын

​@@jamesthompson9003 Substantial legal responsibility already applies to 16-year-old offenders, however criminal behaviour is usually a voluntary act. As is enlisting, adult film making, driving motor vehicles, drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco. The question you're seeking to avoid is why somebody aged 16 or over should be denied the electoral franchise, to express an opinion on how the country they live in should be ruled. This what-aboutism distracts from the main issue, and your repeated pasting of the same answer six more times in response to this posting would indicate that you lack full capacity to make a reasoned or considered response to another point of view beyond that which you've entered above.

I listen to this live today and I was lost for words when the lady came on and said giving 16 to 17 years old a right vote damages them. She could not name one negativity.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers, or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@jamesdenny5078

Жыл бұрын

Id say far from being damaging, it actually EMPOWERS 16 and 17 year olds in taking an interest in politics, which should be beneficial in actually having pledges aimed at younger age groups and more accountability for those making the promises

@jamesdenny5078

Жыл бұрын

@AntiWoke great trolling. some of the VERY best.

@hugsandcurses

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 strawman

@michaelccozens

Жыл бұрын

Should be noted that this is a common tactic of abusers; they claim to be "protecting" the people they're oppressing, but can never seem to explain how that's happening, or why the only observable effect of their actions is the theft of the power of the people they're "protecting" for themselves. It's called the "gilded cage". Words lie. Actions, less often.

I've been a politics watcher since my early teens. My first vote was in the first referendum in joint the Common Market, as was. It was affirmative, I've not changed my mind since. I remember the faff of going to France and Belgium before we joined. Now they act surprised when it all comes back to haunt us.

@Bertrum123

Жыл бұрын

Dead right we were the sick man of europe with sewage on the beaches before we joined .we never looked back blue flags i remember swimming on the beach when i was a kid i used to wonder what all the baloons were from and the brown lumps .now there back

British teeenagers can’t vote but people in there 80s and 90s can vote bless them half of them think they are living in 50s and 60s

@Aussiemarco

Жыл бұрын

Yes. The day after the referendum, a bunch of ancients were interviewed in a Worker’s Club. One geriatric said “Now we’ve left the EU we’ll get our Empire back”.

of you can't vote under a certain age then take away the right to vote after retirement, why should you have a say on the future generations when they cant

@ppo2424

Жыл бұрын

Many reasons

@Octamed

Жыл бұрын

What age?

@clarepeart636

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@DennisMoore664

Жыл бұрын

@@Octamed they wrote "after retirement" so at whatever age in their 60's that happens for someone (probably with an exception for people who retire early in their 40's or 50's). It's a silly idea, but so is not letting people at whatever age who have completed a civics class not be allowed to take part in their countries representative democracy.

@Octamed

Жыл бұрын

@@DennisMoore664 I’m talking about the ‘under a certain age’ bit

So this is one of my gripes, we treat teens like infants then expect them to be able to handle everything themselves by 18... but how if we don't give them the chance to grow? You have to give them responsibilities so that they can learn how to be adults.

What were the arguments made by men who didn’t want to give women the vote!

@GregOrCreg

Жыл бұрын

Women who were deprived the vote until 1928, should have been compensated with extra votes equating to the number of votes they lost from their 21st birthday onwards (21 being the age that women in 1928 were given the vote). Likewise, those of us who were deprived a vote as 16/17-year-olds *should now* be compensated for our loss. It seems only fair, and akin to NATURAL JUSTICE, which I of course am in favour of as an ACTUAL and CONSISTENT PROGRESSIVE LEFTIST.

@sneakyfish8191

Жыл бұрын

How dare you make historically informed commentary?!

@chatham43

Жыл бұрын

...can't see the parallels...

If you’re old enough to be taxed, you’re old enough to vote.

@R0swell5104

Жыл бұрын

Forget tax for one minute, if you are old enough to be considered responsible for a crime and can join the military, then the state considers you a responsible person.

@Anonymous-qw

Жыл бұрын

I saw Charlotte Church on TV where she said she had been a high rate taxpayer since she was ten. Should Charlotte Church been allowed to vote at the.

@Anonymous-qw

Жыл бұрын

​@@R0swell5104Then age of criminal responsibility is 10

@R0swell5104

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-qw Pretty much the lowest in any country. However the point is if the state deems someone as responsible enough under the law for crimes they commit or indeed responsible enough to join the armed forces at 16 and serve their country, then what objection could there be for allowing 16/17 year olds to vote.

@Anonymous-qw

Жыл бұрын

@@R0swell5104 Then you would be for votes for 10 year olds I take it

16 year olds today are too informed and so will vote against Tory

@JOhnJohnson-xg6sq

Жыл бұрын

Yup. That’s basically the gist of it.

@nick1065

Жыл бұрын

Tory who?

@chatham43

Жыл бұрын

....but they mustnt vote tory....those are the conditions....?

@JZ_Strings

Жыл бұрын

@@chatham43 no they just wouldn’t because they’re not so brainwashed

@diehard21000

Жыл бұрын

​@@JZ_Strings There very brainwashed at young age

I joined the army at 16, and it didn't damage me in the slightest, and if that didn't damage me, how would being able to vote for the betterment of my future be damaging?

If an 80 yr old can vote then surely a 16 yr old should also be allowed. They are often better informed and will have to live with it.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers, or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@wietla

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 that’s not relevant for this question. The question here is whether a 16 year is capable of making an informed political decision and I’ve stated that they are more likely to be able to do that than 80 yr old.

@bubba842

Жыл бұрын

​@@jamesthompson9003they are old enough to go off and join the army. If you don't think they are old enough to make logical choices then you are kidding yourself.

@DylRicho

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 If you want to go down the "developed enough" route, you would make it 21 as that's when the brain stops developing. I would also not lump all people of a certain age group together based entirely on their age. There are plenty of older teenagers and adolescents that are more mature than adults that can vote. If you pay into the system, you should have the right to have a say in how that tax is being used.

@WinchesterProds0

Жыл бұрын

​@@DylRicho Technically the prefrontal cortex isn't developed until 25, pedantic I know but apparently so many of the right are pedants that they don't want to be beat at their own game

My bitterness when i was 16, was i have to pay tax. If you pay tax, you should vote as a citizen.

@Tom-iv3nd

Жыл бұрын

No taxation without representation

@ppo2424

Жыл бұрын

Maybe and when you commit a crime you go to big boys prison

@lordvadertheleftie9703

Жыл бұрын

​@@Tom-iv3nd this is where the American founding fathers were actually right for once

@lordvadertheleftie9703

Жыл бұрын

​@@chrisj9700 my 1 year old is already paying a little tax. I'm now enlisting her in the army 😂

@davidstokell-nv7jr

Жыл бұрын

Tax is tax that’s life that’s how it works but tax avoidance is different that’s Tory cheating the system to get richer and lie about it

I was 17 for the 2010 GE and ended up with Lib Dems reneging on their pledge to not put up tuition fees and look where we are now

@jonmel

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but most of that party leadership where Tory’s in denial

@Turbo3032

Жыл бұрын

As somebody who was 17 and 11 months in May 2010, I totally feel your pain. Although I'm now ashamed to admit I was trying to get my mates to vote Lib Dem (I'm sure most of them voted Tory or abstained anyway)

@lestrem11

Жыл бұрын

No need at all for tuition fee’s when all the information is online. Universities are a expensive waste of space.

@slowloris1847

Жыл бұрын

Are we still blaming the lib dems for the enactment of a tory policy in a coalition? Shame that we don't hold either major party to that same standard. Worst excesses of the tories in power got reigned in, and when the lib dems got thrown under the bus because of tuition fees, Cameron gave us the pile of burning tyres that was Brexit...

@continuumhypothesis2476

Жыл бұрын

Lib Dems were not in power, they were the junior partner in a coalition. They could not have everything they wanted, they had to compromise.

as someone who is currently 16, i feel we're spoken down to by the political classes quite a lot. im someone who reads Marx and Nietzsche, i can hold down a part time job, and i can participate in a conversation about government as well as the average adult. we aren't just children, and getting the vote at 18 is arbitrary. we pay tax on our wages, we deserve a say in our democracy.

@middleman9183

Жыл бұрын

grow up!

@UdumbaraMusic

Жыл бұрын

Don't listen to the other fella, carry on what you're doing. I was politically active back when I was 16 and it infuriated me when people told me I was too young to understand despite having an active interest vs. the nonsense they put together from Daily Mail headlines. I still know those people and they're just as ignorant surrounding the basic definitions of ideologies, and they still vote for the people that cause the issues they keep moaning about...

@UdumbaraMusic

Жыл бұрын

Don't listen to the other fella, carry on what you're doing. I was politically active back when I was 16 and it infuriated me when people told me I was too young to understand despite having an active interest vs. the nonsense they put together from Daily Mail headlines. I still know those people and they're just as ignorant surrounding the basic definitions of ideologies, and they still vote for the people that cause the issues they keep complaining about... We need more people who actively learn about politics voting, regardless of how old they are.

Shame we don’t protect children from paying taxes at 16 if they are “children”

@kanedNunable

Жыл бұрын

or send them to prison etc.

@randyvalantino6850

Жыл бұрын

Not sure they earn enough to pay tax

@AKHill-gj2uy

Жыл бұрын

We don't protect 16 year olds from enemy bombs and bullets. By the UN's standards they are classed as child soldiers.

@OhJodi69

Жыл бұрын

@@randyvalantino6850 Don't they still pay VAT taxes, or sales taxes? Automobile taxes, gasoline taxes, etc etc

@randyvalantino6850

Жыл бұрын

@@OhJodi69 Dont forget play station taxes

A 16 year old wanting to vote labour is far more intelligent than a 50 year old voting tory.

@nick1065

Жыл бұрын

It’s terrifyingly frightening.

@permabear6025

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully they’d understand the rules of capitalisation though…Given how poor the literacy and numeracy skills are amongst Britain’s young today, I wouldn’t bank on it though.

@superhumantrueman

Жыл бұрын

@@nick1065 Only if you are fragile af.

@nick1065

Жыл бұрын

@@superhumantrueman This here is a chamber for fragile minds…

@superhumantrueman

Жыл бұрын

@@nick1065 I know, you are here every day crying about one thing or another.

If the argument against this policy is that "Younger people are too easily mislead by false information" - then I invite you to do a small amount of research and see that OVERWHELMINGLY - it is the OLDER generations whom are are less capable of navigating the digital world / are less tech-savy and are FAR more likely to fall for Misinformation spread on Social media.

To be fair, on my 18th birthday I immediately stopped jumping in puddles and playing stuck in the mud.

My wife organizes a debate club, and she tells me some of the points the kids make. These are prinary school-age children. Don't underestimate the youth. They just might surprise you with their empathy, practicality, and intellectual awareness.

All that children should be protected from is the inability to think critically about the issues they face, which the education system should be able to address.

No taxation without representation !

@user-lu5ru3fl8t

Жыл бұрын

Lol you have a king

@kanedNunable

Жыл бұрын

@@user-lu5ru3fl8t and? you dont think most of us want rid of him?

@hayuseen6683

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-lu5ru3fl8t Yeah and who voted for having a king

@manuelhung7571

Жыл бұрын

@@user-lu5ru3fl8t I refer specifically to 16 year olds being liable for taxation, military service, can legally create a family and have children...yet they can't vote, cannot take a role in who is elected to set their laws and tax rates. Nothing to do with the Boston Tea Party. Vast numbers of British people do not want a Monarchy even though it is now just a paper tiger.

I think the second they finish their GCSEs they deserve a say in the world. You make choices with further education but have no control over the election of a party who send tuition fees through the roof. Seems unfair. Pick your path, pick your government

@nick1065

Жыл бұрын

But most importantly pick your victimhood!

I dont see any logic as to why an open minded intelligent 16 year old is less entitled to a vote than a bigoted Talk TV/GB News watching pensionner. And thats exactly the problem isnt it. Because we know where the votes of those two demographics are likely to go.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers, or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@jamesdenny5078

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 If it was up to me, in your example if they commit a crime then yes, send them to jail. Is there supposed to be some sort of magical epiphany where at 16 a person cant make any informed decisions and this magically changes 730 days later? Theyve got their whole life to lead ahead of them, why arent they in a position to shape the future rather than have it decided for them by 80 year olds?

@nick1065

Жыл бұрын

Apostrophe button broken?

@Paul-sz1no

Жыл бұрын

Why not make it 15 year olds? 13 year olds? 11 year olds?

@ArtyFactual_Intelligence

Жыл бұрын

@@Paul-sz1no Because 16 is the age at which other areas of responsibility fall upon you.

when i was 15, i was naive enough to think that the conservative party was progressive for having the first woman pm. by the time i was 16,. i'd learnt the truth and was definitely aware enough to have political views. young people are more politicised when faced with a government that holds them in contempt, maybe that's why tories are scared of them

Daily Mail buried political news since the election, now this comes up and they're running scary stories about the right to vote. So a British citizen can apply for a provisional driving licence at 15 years and 9 months, but they can't vote. My family forced my grandad to surrender his driving licence, due to aggressive over reactions on the road and pretty much behaving like he had priority everywhere.

The only argument I can think off is that kids are more likely to live at home and are more likely to be pressured into voting a specific way. That is my only concern, especially if one side is more prone on doing that. That however in my opinion is not enough to not let them vote. Being pressured into voting can happen at any age. Just slightly more likely when it comes to teens.

The morning after Teresa May won the election I asked an elderly lady why she voted for May. She said, 'because I like her dresses'. As demonstrated by your callers, age isn't an indicator of inteligence or judgement.

I grew up in Australia. Compulsory voting is great. There are no disadvantages. People aren't forced to vote for a particular party, they can enter a deliberate 'protest vote' (akin to 'none of the above') which is formally counted and announced. So there are incentives to the political parties to appeal to all parts of the populace.

I've been politically aware from the 1980's when I used to deliver the Socialist Worker for my languages teacher when I was in secondary school( Yes of course I used to read it from cover to cover. I'm now in my mid 50's and have seen 44 years of lava(tory) policies reduce this country into a septic isle. 16 year old's do deserve the right to vote !

When i was schooling in Scotland, i took a part time job and had many 16 year old colleagues all politically astute. My manager was just 19 years old. Theres no reason why anyone working and paying taxes shouldn't be allowed to vote.

@GregOrCreg

Жыл бұрын

What if they're not working and not paying taxes? Ironic that you work in Scotland, seeing as you appear to want a return to the dreaded Poll Tax.

I listened to this live and said out loud to myself in the car "this is getting clipped up".

When I was 16 in 1995, I didn't care about politics in any way and just wanted to party, but I do appreciate that the world has changed in the last 28 years and that kids tend to be more responsible and informed these days. Tory gerrymandering in the form of demanding photo ID at polling stations is clearly a tactic of a party running scared of younger and less affluent people who absolutely aren't going to vote for them.

@PaulJones-br6uv

Жыл бұрын

There are still some 16 year olds who only want to party. There are some 30 year olds for that matter. It will allow 16 year olds who are engaged with politics to be part of the system.

@PhilWare1

Жыл бұрын

Demanding photo ID is not gerrymandering, just common sense. I should point out that only one party had a history of corrupt officials and voting scandals...and it isn't the Torys.

They do know 16 and 17 year olds aren't teenagers forever, right?

There is no valid argument against 16 year old voters imo. There arent many 16 year olds that will vote anyway so the ones that will are most likely going to think clearly about who they are picking and that's all I personally ask for in voters.

@davidty2006

Жыл бұрын

Well there are ones who exist. So why not let them. More representation the more democracy.

My wife has been resident in this country for almost 30 years and pays Income Tax, VAT, National Insurance and her share of council tax. She cant vote.

@kb4903

Жыл бұрын

Can I ask politely why she won’t become a citizen? Is she from a dual banning place?

@spacechannelfiver

Жыл бұрын

@@kb4903 yes, she’s from Japan and doesn’t want to relinquish her citizenship as it’s still her home. I personally think she should be eligible to vote here given her longstanding contribution to our society.

@spacechannelfiver

Жыл бұрын

@@kb4903 and to be fair, we took advantage of her citizenship to visit Japan when most people couldn’t. I do have the equivalent of Indefinite Leave to Remain in that country

@MalcolmXpat

Жыл бұрын

if i moved to japan and worked and paid taxes would i be able to vote?

@spacechannelfiver

Жыл бұрын

@@MalcolmXpat Irrelevent

I would rather have old people not voting. Why does a 90 year old the right to shape a future they aren't part of but a 16 year old is prohibited to take part in shaping his own future.

@helenafish7645

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree, and I know some elderly people who would also agree.

@johnandrews4144

Жыл бұрын

Because they have experienced life whereas youngsters in general havent. Why do parents teach kids not to hurt themselves? Pretty much all policy s of government have been used before. And the nativity of youth will no doubt t cause issues later on. You say the elderly won't be about but their family's will and surely the point is to leave a better society. If not then why don't we just stop and start at each generation??

@pistoleer3572

Жыл бұрын

Why should a no nothing 16 yr old have it either

@chatham43

Жыл бұрын

.....so you are ageist...when it's suits you....

I like the idea of 16 year olds being able to vote. If you get politicians and their representatives going to school telling them why they should vote for them kids will learn about the power they have with their vote. Hopefully this will lead to a life long habit of voting and holding those in power to account.

I'm a teacher and while people are correct on some teenagers sometimes being moody, undeveloped, lacking self awareness etc, they must have never dealt with adults in service, hospitality, law, social services, policing, ptas.

1st Woman caller was a wet and pathetic. One is reminded of Mrs. Lovejoy in the Simpsons, whinging "Won't someone please think of the children."

This all reminds me of Kellyanne Conway going on US TV and saying something along the lines of Why are we so worried about this Covid-19 business. We got rid of the other 18...... She was fully grown!

Its hard enough for many adults to gain an impartial mindset, dont think its unrealistic to suggest that 16 year olds would absolutely lack that mindset to make votes logical rather than emotional. The fact that james cant see this or it simply not being in his financial interests to flag this basic logic already speaks volumes about his general motive and lack of objectivity. Wouldn't be the first time hes done this, every form of news has done this afterall. Its a tragic money making ploy to push people on a trajectory without adding context to a situation. None of this gets made light of, which is the main issue we face rather than these half baked opinions getting subtely pushed onto people if you dont listen with caution. I dont agree with a lot of things that policital parties do, but this really isnt hard to grasp that its probably not a wise legislation to implement. Giving children a vote that maneuvers the economy when they dont even understand basic economics at that age is very ironic.

@radman8321

Жыл бұрын

95% of adults haven't a clue how an economy works either. And how many adults do you think are impartial? Nearly everyone votes based on their own circumstances and what is best for them rather than what is best in the wider context.

@OhJodi69

Жыл бұрын

An "impartial mindset" and "understanding of basic economics" is not a requirement for ANYONE to vote. So your argument does not wash.

If the tories actually tried to implement policies that were of benefit to the younger generation instead of those at the other end they wouldn't be clutching their pearls at 16-17 year olds getting the ability to vote.

@kanedNunable

Жыл бұрын

not many 16 years old are millionaire donors to them.

Totally agree. It's really scary.

Is it strange to feel that as soon as you pay taxes or provide military service you should be provided with all the rights afforded to you as an adult?...but in return, be willing to accept all the consequences that come with being an adult?...

Governments are typically in power for 4 years. If you are 16 you should have the right to choose who to vote for because it will effect you till your 20.

@dav3bassman

Жыл бұрын

5 years now, the Tories increased it.

@jamiedugda

Жыл бұрын

@@dav3bassman scary stuff mate

Thank you for being so point on , I'm a new listener , and there is nothing like you on this side of the " pond " your practically reading my mind , although much clearer .

I don't know how James does this show without appropriate headgear!

Whilst compulsory voting maybe isn’t the best of ideas in all circumstances, there should definitely be some kind of public holiday to allow everyone to have the time to vote on election days

I started my apprenticeship at 16, earning 360 quid a week coz they paid us just a little less wages than everyone else, a nice little incentive to keep people invested at a young age an learning in the motor industry, an it really angered me that I was paying so much tax an didn't have a voice, its about time 16 year olds got the vote

@jesusranchjohn

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! If you're old enough to have the Government take your money, you're old enough to choose which Government does so. End of.

@darkangel9171

Жыл бұрын

You got 360? I got 200 😂 I believe 16yo should be allowed to vote. It's their future we are deciding.

@TableTopWolf1984

Жыл бұрын

@@darkangel9171 yeah an that was in 2001 also, we earned £2 less an hour than the main staff as it meant you'd stay committed to the job, it went up 50p a year until you completed your course then you just earned the same as everyone else, great business practices where they cared about staff lol

When I was young, I was a member of The National Union of School Kids. Our idea was to drop the age to 15.

@chatham43

Жыл бұрын

...a very significant day which will go down in history......

The downside is the same as with any other right 16- and 17-year-olds don't have: Lack of protection from their own bad decisions. In this case, the result of the bad decisions would affect everyone, but the principle is the same.

Maybe I’ve always had an interest in politics. We had mock elections at my state school, during a GE (which Thatcher won) when I was 14. The whole school was involved, 11-18 years old. We also used to play football and D&D at break time. I really don’t see what difference it makes if they can vote at 16 rather than 18. We all know why the tories don’t want it to happen. What they’re doing, suppressing voters with the ID requirements is the kind of trick that Putin uses. So scared of defeat they’ll resort to the antics of a tyrant to win.

@lordvadertheleftie9703

Жыл бұрын

Not Putin, these tactics come directly from the American right wing

@MRFUCKOFF202

Жыл бұрын

Do you see a difference at 14 then? Or 12? 4? Do you understand that humans are not born with adult brains?

16yr olds are allowed to vote in Scottish local & Holyrood elections

@geoffcarlton4047

Жыл бұрын

Yep, the caller said that, I watched the video

@joannerobinson7717

Жыл бұрын

@@geoffcarlton4047 so did I but posted the comment before the fellow Scot came on

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

@@joannerobinson7717 If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers, or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@geoffcarlton4047

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 bit of a jump

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

@@geoffcarlton4047 I know right, imagine comparing 16 yo children not being mature enough to participate in adults-only institutions with... 16 yo children not being mature enough to participate in adults-only institutions. A real jump

The same people who are against 16 year old voting have no problem with senile 92 year olds voting, who only have a few years left on this planet and aren't much affected anymore by the decisions they are making for society. Age demographics are rising in all developed nations. If for nothing else, we should lower the age of voting for this fact.

They are being gaslit! 😂😂😂

16 and 17 year olds and EU citizens with settled status can already vote in Scotland,which is absolutely fair,no taxation without representation!

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers, or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@freebornaiden7666

Жыл бұрын

Pre settled EU citizens still pay taxes.

That 1st caller should become a politician 😂

@ThomasKing19933

Жыл бұрын

She just couldn't answer a straightforward question.

@ScreamqueenarmyBlogspot666

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomasKing19933 that's why I said she should become a politician ( because THEY can't answer a straight forward question either )

@ThomasKing19933

Жыл бұрын

@@ScreamqueenarmyBlogspot666 yep

@user-lu5ru3fl8t

Жыл бұрын

@@ScreamqueenarmyBlogspot666 yeh but you could narrow it down. The only politicians who can't answer a direct question every single time are Tories/Nazis. I don't bother making a difference any more.

@kanedNunable

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomasKing19933 sounds like prime tory candidate then surely?

I just wanna say that, I am 26, when I was 18 and voted, I didn't know what to vote for... And just end up getting biased by parents views, not based on my opinions. What I wanna say is that I was a kid and had to learn about politics to vote with knowledge, at 16 it would even be harder to comprehend politics and implications of everything.

My parents read the Daily Mail and let me tell you they treat it as gospel. They say it doesn't, but they get so angry about things that have absolutely nothing to do with them!

16 year old's. Yes please. Over 65's??.... I know my recent thoughts on that one....😠

@ArtyFactual_Intelligence

Жыл бұрын

Nobody over 70 should have voted in the Brexit referendum.

Cant stand his type

I listened live and interpreted her as saying that essentially childhood is over too quickly, and at 16 they should remain kids and not given major adult responsibilities. I also thought she was saying that it is their childhood that needed protecting i.e. preserving. Personally I think they should be allowed to vote at 16. I’m also curious about making it compulsory in the hope it encourages people to pay more attention

Im lrish,and i feel so sorry for the people of Britain,to have such Tools Running the Country,and Espcailly the Young people WHO have to live with this mess from now on.

The first caller just couldn't answer a straightforward question. Typical Tory.

@nick1065

Жыл бұрын

You must have been listening to a different conversation then.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

If you think 16 year-olds are developed enough to vote on laws (or elect the people making them), then surely they should be held accountable for those laws and sent to adult prisons if they break them? Why not allow 16 year-olds to fight abroad as soldiers, or undertake pornographic careers if you think they're developed enough? It should all be 18, including driving licences, drinking, legalized drugs etc

@ibuprofen303

Жыл бұрын

Your use of the phrase "Typical Tory" betrays your partisan ulterior motive. Stereotyping is for the lazy and those without a rational argument.

@ignoranceisbliss6259

Жыл бұрын

​@@nick1065ah nick, how lovely to see you again. I see you're back to your favourite argument of "I know you are, but what am I?" Any chance you've come up with a cogent argument at all?

@jamesdenny5078

Жыл бұрын

They can answer the question in a talk radio type setting, where they know they are speaking to someone with the exact same opinion who wont challenge them. The moment they are presented with a logical counter argument, they fall apart. No different to brexit, stopping the boats, Boris, you name it.

My sister-in-law’s mother had very bad dementia. For the final election before she passed away, my sister-in-law drove her to the polling place, told them her mother’s name and filled out the ballot for her. Her mum had no idea what was going on, couldn’t put a coherent sentence together, and couldn’t even walk unaided. Yet she still had the right to vote. But a 16 or 17 year old must be protected from voting? Incidentally, my sister-in-law is a far right conservative loon.

@modithorson7484

Жыл бұрын

I've been saying for years there should be an upper age cap, it's not their future anymore.

@JoelJoel321

Жыл бұрын

Well that was a crime and has no bearing on the subject.

I went out to work at 15 and People fought and died in wars at 16 so these people are ridiculous.

Recently MPs have been debating whether or not the voting age, currently at 18, should be reduced to 16. Liberal Democrat MP Stephen Williams, has brought up the debate, stating that it would enable 1.5 million 16 and 17-year-olds to vote. The Labour party and the Liberal Democrats are in favour of lowering the voting age, but the Conservatives are opposed. However, quite surprisingly, many students believe that the voting age should be kept at 18. In a poll on The Student Room Website: 79% said that the voting age should stay at 18. Only 21% said that the voting age should be lowered to 16.

@aaronhoy3410

Жыл бұрын

That's from a 2016 blog post on their site about a 2013 poll. What relevance does that have? So, nowadays I see The Student Room claims "75% of UK students aged 14-24 visit us" but I'm seeing archived posts from 2013 that say "where *thousands* of students help..." So, they were obviously had a more limited audience share of students back then. You can't even see how many people voted in that 2013 poll [at least not without an account.] Ok so I just went through all the pages of comments. There are 233 total comments on that poll thread. Throughout the entire thread there are 10 comments on the whole thing that received even just 5 likes, there are only 5 that are have a double digit number of likes with the highest one being 28. So, I'm betting that there were just a few hundred voters total on that poll from 10 years ago. I'm betting that it not only wasn't in anyway representative of 14 to 24 year olds back then & it certainly isn't representative of their views now.

It is rather funny how many Karens call JoB, "won't someone think of the children".

I see some old people when they hear about disadvantages of certain policies saying “well that’s how we use to live when we were little” as if we should be going back to those times and they can vote, yet a 16 year old who wants positive change can’t.

Had 16 & 17 year olds been able to vote in the Brexit referendum and NOT the 80+ Daily Mail, Sun readers our country would be on a much safer path than it has been for the last 7 years

In australia at each election its compulsory to be marked off the roll then you can just bin the voting card.

If I look back at how edgy and dumb we were at 16, I think the voting age should be raised to 25

@dayegilharno4988

Жыл бұрын

If I look back at how disconnected my mother became after retiring, I think the voting age should have a cutoff at around 70...

When I was 13 years old I could not believe how ignorant my old man was .When I became 21 years old I could not believe how much he had learnt . It is known as experience .Why not vote at 8 years old then .? Young people are very emotional and idealistic .

@BH-te5fs

Жыл бұрын

Voting is not about the wisdom of the populace. It's about the right to have a voice in the laws that govern you.

@zammmerjammer

Жыл бұрын

So any citizens who are "emotional" or "idealistic" should have their right to democratic representation taken away from them? Why not people who are cold and selfish? What a weird ANTI-DEMOCRATIC idea.

@keithwilkins1437

Жыл бұрын

@@zammmerjammer Can you not read ? I wrote young people .Obviously ,it was a general observation .Your over reaction is an example of over reaction !

@aaronhoy3410

Жыл бұрын

@@keithwilkins1437 Why are 16 year olds allowed to do other things that 8 years old can't do [legally,] & what makes those things different from voting? Also, why does your anecdote talk about you thinking there was a lot your dad didn't know, to then later on think he was really knowledgeable but then you suddenly bring up experience? If you want to bring up knowledge as a point, then should we not have tests people have to pass to prove their knowledge of political ideas so only people who know about the stuff they would be voting for actually vote? If you want to discuss experience then wouldn't lowering the voting age to 16 just mean they have the ability to obtain that experience earlier than they did previously or from the other side of it couldn't the lack of experience in voting be used to just never allow people to vote because whatever the age is that will still be the first time they get to experience it? Besides 16 & 17 year olds already get to participate in politics, just to a limited a degree. 16 & 17 do get to vote in Scotland & Wales for their parliaments & local elections... & 15, 16, & 17 year olds can vote in party leadership elections as 15 year olds can join political parties as members.

Where do I get a tea cup like that?

Surely driving is more dangerous than allowing a 17 year old to vote. It's ridiculous

Sounded like O'Brien was deliberately trying to not hear what the initial caller was trying to say. She was attempting to articulate her position but was consistently being interrupted by O'Brien because her answer had more than 5 words. I don't agree with her that children need "protecting" from voting responsibilities... but it's a legitimate/debateable stance to have if you feel voting should be taken seriously and feel that children's primary focus is on their education, development, fun, and gaining experience. And you have to draw the line somewhere.

@nick1065

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It’s classic O’Brien. If he doesn’t agree he belittles, humiliates and fades. This isn’t the country’s biggest echo chamber for nowt!

I'm all in favour of giving 16 year-olds the vote. In the Scottish Independence Referendum, the persons asking the well-reasoned questions were the teenagers, who had largely thought-out what they needed to know, and largely found the unionist politicians sadly wanting. Meanwhile, many of the older generations had their blinkers firmly on "I'm voting against as I made up my mind 50 years ago". The future lies in the hands of the younger generations, it is of greater effect to them that us "oldies" (I'm past 75).

I’m in my 60s. The future is not mine. It belongs to the young. Why shouldn’t they have a say over it? Oh, we say that they’re uniformed or naive, but even if that we’re the case, 16 year olds don’t have a monopoly on ignorance. Besides, we talk up how it is our job to make decisions on their behalf of the younger generation, but by any objective standard we’ve done a very bad job of it.

You have the right to vote provided you can prove who you are. Is there something wrong with that?