that's what I'm Tolkien about

@stanmagnum1535

8 жыл бұрын

+Sam Wilson you dont know what you're Tolkein about

@legojackgaming

8 жыл бұрын

I'll be Tolkien about this battle for ages

@timmytohns5479

8 жыл бұрын

+Sam Wilson Oh crap,Tolkien puns.

@MrUndersolo

8 жыл бұрын

Damn, I wish I thought of that!

@MrUndersolo

8 жыл бұрын

+timmy tohns Yeah, it can be Hobbit-forming.

This took until season 5 because Martin needed that long to write his verses.

@demetriusstone7791

8 жыл бұрын

Ha!

@exxocraft2216

8 жыл бұрын

+Matt Crowell Roasted!

@AndrewCantley

8 жыл бұрын

+Matt Crowell Haha this is brilliant

@kinglink9541

8 жыл бұрын

+patience 2277 So you are spam trolling an ERB video with anti-semitic nonsense? Really? Are you that pathetic?

@user-zk1ic1gb5i

8 жыл бұрын

+patience 2281 could you get any more random? So what if Jews hold a lot of power? would you be as alarmed as you are now if a follower of the Aesir , held a lot of power?

When Tolkien says "You're a pirate! You even stole my R R!" he's actually making the Sign Language symbol for the letter R!

@rejvaik00

Жыл бұрын

Yeah American sign language the British sign language for the letter R is different

@Abtron

Жыл бұрын

In my place it's slang for c*nt.

@NevTheDeranged

Жыл бұрын

but it's also kinda like a pirate hook, so... double meaning!

@Citadel_local

Жыл бұрын

@@NevTheDeranged That's what I thought it was.

@Laiser

Жыл бұрын

@@NevTheDeranged Man, even the visuals are deep. ERB is too good.

One thing I am sad they did not include is that Tolkien, having every excuse not to go to war again, being past draft age, and in reserve occupation, volunteered for frontline duty in WWII.

@KNJpd

3 ай бұрын

What a legend. Putting him up against Martin seems as insulting as putting Roosevelt against Trump/Clinton

@BogaSlawa

4 күн бұрын

@@KNJpd Roosevelt was worse than either....he simply dressed and spoke better

0/10 not realistic IRL Tolkien would have created a new language specifically designed for rap and mastered it all within two minutes

@KZG.Silent_Scribe

3 жыл бұрын

Dude I felt that so much 🤣

@QuintarFarenor

3 жыл бұрын

I try to imagine how a language especially made for rapping would sound like. Would every word end the same way so it all would rhyme? I wonder.

@tiffanyl4829

3 жыл бұрын

I don't normally say this as it is over-used but...Yaaaaaassss, queen!

@HarmonySword

3 жыл бұрын

It would have been overkill. That's why Tolkien humored Martin by beating him in his own language.

@Alisibeth_Talia212

3 жыл бұрын

FELT THAT. He starts dissing him in Black Speech and Elvish.

Tolkien did all his work on a typewriter and still managed to complete his stories.

@generalawesome7279

4 жыл бұрын

But Martin is still alive which means he is still writing his books and can still complete them. These comments are gonna be invalid unless Martin dies without finishing.

@ioanaberbece1994

4 жыл бұрын

Oooooo, BURN!!! 😂😂😂👍

@LdyVder

4 жыл бұрын

@@generalawesome7279 Either Martin is a slow writer, has massive writer's block, or his editors have a lot of work, but it shouldn't take five years on average to release a book, especially one in a series of them. It can take that long to get the first book published, but it shouldn't take that long for the rest in the series. The Sookie Stackhouse books by Charlaine Harris was released on a yearly basis with 13 books total. Which were the basis for True Blood. Robert Jordan released 11 of the 14 Wheel of Time books in a 15 year span. Then dying and had enough notes for someone else to finish the series which included Jordan's epilogue in the last book of the series. I doubt Martin has that and I truly doubt the last two books in the series get published any time soon.

@godfreyofbouillon966

4 жыл бұрын

Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth is a collection of stories and essays by J. R. R. Tolkien that were never completed during his lifetime, but were edited by his son Christopher Tolkien and published in 1980. What I am trying to say that stupid fanboys who have no idea what they are talking about is extremely cringy.

@fermintenava5911

4 жыл бұрын

Comparing them on that level is fruitless anyway, because Tolkien needed six years for the Lord of the Rings alone and a lifetime to edit the Silmarillon. The Hobbit and other smaller writings were only finished because he wrote them for special occasions and with lowered standards.

I love that it starts with Martin claiming the title of 'Lord', but Tolkien finishes with reminding Martin that even if he's a lord, Tolkien is still the king.

@dennisvondoom

9 ай бұрын

Lord and king are the same

@saadwani9175

9 ай бұрын

​@@dennisvondoomstudy a bit more

@Surno69

9 ай бұрын

@@dennisvondoomnope, no they’re not

@RoninDave

9 ай бұрын

@@dennisvondoom maybe in your bizzaro world but not the real world

@drrockkso8882

9 ай бұрын

​@dennisvondoom LOL no they absolutely are not. "Lord" is a title used by noblemen who have hereditary lands and/or titles but are not part the immediate royal family. Kings and princes use titles like "Your Highness", "Your Majesty", "Your Grace", etc

Tolkien taking off the Ring of Power and appearing in the intro is so genius

@user-ww1tp7ls1v

11 ай бұрын

and therefore saying he didn't need the ring of power to finish this battle.

@mr.elveaner9723

11 ай бұрын

@@user-ww1tp7ls1v He cannot use it, none of us can

@theenderdestruction2362

10 ай бұрын

​@@mr.elveaner9723he can use it but I feel like that's mostly to do with his own power as the author dealing with the ring that or sauron actually respects him or fears him or both

@jdtesch86

10 ай бұрын

holy crap i've watched this video actual dozens of times and only after reading this comment realized what was happening

@theenderdestruction2362

10 ай бұрын

@@jdtesch86 did you also how sauron was watching over the entire battle the entire time as well?

"My show's the hottest thing on HBO" Well. That didn't age well.

@jdbarr769

4 жыл бұрын

When Arya nothing personal kid and subverted expectations; Wow, what a stinker!

@humanskinnergames4520

4 жыл бұрын

I swear I saw Scott gimple in the background behind the dragon like if u get the joke

@vampahh1171

4 жыл бұрын

It's three years since this video came out...

@ouchiegiverjr

4 жыл бұрын

Dr Heaven MD yeah...sigh

@purity_2428

4 жыл бұрын

i mean it still is i am on season 2 its crazy

"One does not simply battle Tolkien."

@isdrakon9802

4 жыл бұрын

You are simply flattened like being run over by a stream roller

@potatoeater9499

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

@Maya-qt3bw

4 жыл бұрын

He shall be shattered by the comments of the fans

@sovereign4535

4 жыл бұрын

He shall be ripped apart by elves,dwarves,hobbits and many more creatures before being trampled by armies and having his remains burnt until not even ashes remain

@wojciechkowalski8061

4 жыл бұрын

Ah, yes. A famous words of Lord Eddard Stark.

Tolkien: “Brag all you like about your show, George But take this to heart. As a writer you got nothin’ ‘Cause I FINISH WHAT I START!!”

@oscarsalazar5876

Жыл бұрын

Yes but unfortunately also, no. He die and his son finished many of his other books. So this wouldn't be accurate to Tolkien.

@bitterfox518

Жыл бұрын

@@oscarsalazar5876, but he still managed to end the main story.

@spongeyspikes09

Жыл бұрын

@@oscarsalazar5876 and considering the fact Martin refuses to let another writer end the books if he ever passes away It's plausible that he will NEVER finish his books

@Novictus

Жыл бұрын

@@spongeyspikes09 The man just really doesn't appreciate his fanbase.

@spongeyspikes09

Жыл бұрын

@@Novictus at this point I would rather read fanfiction of his work knowing fanfic writers write faster and better than he will ever be And just to spite him

Considering Martin's actually a huge fan of Tolkien, i feel like he'd be honored to be insulted, fat shamed, and roasted by his idol

@shanedog007

7 ай бұрын

This is good stuff :)

@crows_are_superior4464

4 ай бұрын

Who wouldn’t be?

@rambleonwithrosie

4 ай бұрын

I don't think there's a nerd living who wouldn't be honored to receive a verbal beat down from Tolkien 😂

@AskarTheIt

Ай бұрын

Is he really a fan?

@00_BRUHH

Ай бұрын

@@AskarTheIt yes, he is. Martin based Game of thrones off of LOTR, and he even despises "Tolkien Imitators" who, in his words, sell "Degraded Goods" of Tolkien's work

I just realized that Tolkien takes off the ring in the beginning, which is why he suddenly appears.

@DioStandsStill

3 жыл бұрын

I never realized it my brain must be playing with me!!!

@MrPrajitura

3 жыл бұрын

Shit, dude, MIND BLOWN

@eazy8579

3 жыл бұрын

Of course. He's the only being capable of handling its dark power

@stephiregaming7927

3 жыл бұрын

Omg how did i not notice that?

@ysa2086

3 жыл бұрын

Holy sh*t bro I never realized that

I'm not so sure about who won, but I do know who lost: Sean Bean.

@birdmn9930

8 жыл бұрын

Omfg xD

@pandazatthedisco

8 жыл бұрын

+Atari Dad HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, bless you man.

@TorqueBacklash

8 жыл бұрын

And now I'm sad

@SunniLeBoeuf

8 жыл бұрын

I cri

@ssjluxray7435

8 жыл бұрын

+Atari Dad just don't Robb hear that and you should be good, nope never mind. Uh make that the King in the North

7 years later and this is still an absolute beat down by Tolkien

@kemp9842

8 ай бұрын

It's an even worse beatdown given just how poorly Martin's "hottest show on HBO" line aged.

@MphoLukoto-lx9jk

8 ай бұрын

​@@kemp9842house of the dragon enters the chat

@kemp9842

8 ай бұрын

@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk Still doesn't erase just how badly Game of Thrones fumbled in the end goal.

@MphoLukoto-lx9jk

8 ай бұрын

@@kemp9842 "hottest show on HBO" line still stands though

@vylbird8014

6 ай бұрын

And we're still waiting on Georgie-Boy to finish up his story.

The funny part is that after the first verse, Martin's lines all talked about Tolkien's works. Even in a rap battle, Martin could only talk about Tolkien's works and not his. That is the level Tolkien plays at.

@gregpeloquin6345

9 ай бұрын

He talked about his own too... about how he makes characters and then kills them... Granted, I agree Tolkien crushed here...but still that's not entirely accurate.

@dom1941

7 ай бұрын

“I’ll cut you like my teeth on Beauty and the Beast” “My show’s the hottest thing on HBO” So what about these two lines?

@FilmyDost007

7 ай бұрын

A Song of Ice and Fire>>>Lotr

@kevinerives8975

6 ай бұрын

@@FilmyDost007 I know its sacrilege but I also like ASOIAF more that LOTR.

@HivefleetMagoladon

6 ай бұрын

@@kevinerives8975 I think the biggest problem with LotR for a modern audience is that it's TOO influential. It's pretty much defined and shaped the genre of Fantasy since it was published, meaning that to a modern reader it seems cliché and stereotypical.

“But you’ve got a hairy foot fetish, dog.” Bold words for someone who’s story starts and ends due to incest.

@lunaangeleclipse9745

2 жыл бұрын

lmao

@yunehversomi1458

2 жыл бұрын

I think partly that’s inspired by history where nobles and royalty often kept it in the family and married each other. Because Martin does borrow a lot from history.

@theunholygamer6474

2 жыл бұрын

I mean that's how it was back then lol u can't change history

@Deaglan753

2 жыл бұрын

@@yunehversomi1458 not just that but there were also brothers and sisters from different Kingdoms and empire would marry heirs from another empire or kingdom, in which sometimes was one of there family members, a good example would be the Hapsburgs

@thossi09

2 жыл бұрын

@@yunehversomi1458 For the most part , people (even royalty and nobles) avoided marrying their siblings.

Tolkien could have rapped in multiple different languages- that he created

@Reven157

4 жыл бұрын

English, Dutch, french, german, icelandic (for some reason) sindarin and probably more

@dekaw9138

4 жыл бұрын

Raviv Amorij he means elvish and blackspeak

@zanewolfe9754

4 жыл бұрын

@@dekaw9138 To be fair, Tolkien was also a linguistics specialist, being able to read, write, and speak multiple languages. However he ALSO created far more than just Elvish and Blackspeak. He has five or six languages to his name, each of which he created by using his knowledge of real languages.

@SuperPuzzler

4 жыл бұрын

And still would've rapped rings around Martin, but this was the Rap to Rule Them All.

@user-vq6ik4kk1r

4 жыл бұрын

Я Смерть I read your comment so wrong 🤦🏽‍♀️

George R.R. Martin: Your hobbit hole heroes can't handle my throne! J.R.R. Tolkien: *Challenge accepted.*

@thatjeff7550

Жыл бұрын

Danny DeVito as JRRT: So that's when I started blastin'!

Love how Martin seems so agitated and he’s trying so hard. Yet Tolkien is just super calm like he’s speaking to a child.

@coop_dawg207gaming2

Жыл бұрын

Because he is

@laayiv9449

Жыл бұрын

From memory, Tolkein genuinely did act like that.

@neonfroot

10 ай бұрын

tolkien is screaming here

@andytheawesome7592

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@laayiv9449In 1938, he was negotiating with a German publisher to get The Hobbit published there. It was about to happen, but when they asked him for proof of his Aryan ancestry, he backed out of the deal with the greatest of all possible roasts: “Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject - which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.”

@Tryo707

10 ай бұрын

​@@andytheawesome7592Holy crap what a smackdown. What a damn boss.

“You’re a pirate. You even stole my R.R.” So much in such a little line.

@JuanHernandez-qj7uq

3 жыл бұрын

"All your bad guys die and your good guys survive" Thorin, Fili, Kili, and Boromir would like to have a word with you.

@genie153

3 жыл бұрын

Juan Hernandez you just took someone comment ironic

@smiff9577

3 жыл бұрын

@@JuanHernandez-qj7uq You’re the pirate!

@filon738

3 жыл бұрын

Nice reference

@Lord_Numpty

3 жыл бұрын

@@JuanHernandez-qj7uq What of Theoden, as well as Hurin and his family?

Unlike George R.R. Martiin, Tolkien knows how this rap battle ends.

@therealwild1

3 жыл бұрын

Where is the lie?

@ethanh6370

3 жыл бұрын

BURN

@maryw9320

3 жыл бұрын

At least Tolkien FINISHED his story!

@vinzcastro9304

3 жыл бұрын

@@maryw9320 Tolkien wrote until death... Martin is still alive

@maryw9320

3 жыл бұрын

@@vinzcastro9304 True, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed he does finish the Ice and Fire series, but he's not exactly a spring chicken and there are still two books to go.

“But news flash, THE GENRES CALLED FANTASY ITS MEANT TO BE UNREALISTIC YOU MYOPIC MANATEE” he’s got a point ngl Edit:this comment is a year old, I forgot about it until someone replied today, I’m genuinely surprised that it’s still going

@bananasmatter1321

Жыл бұрын

Tolkien didn't believe this though. For him fantasy was as real as any other story. Read "On Fairy Stories" and you'll see.

@FirefulXD

Жыл бұрын

no that's actually not how fantasy works. you're thinking about fairy tales

@bananasmatter1321

Жыл бұрын

@@FirefulXD fairy tales which are part of a people's mythology which is what fantasy was in the first place: a mythos for the English...

@FirefulXD

Жыл бұрын

@@bananasmatter1321 fantasy has very obviously evolved from fairy tales since then. sorry i was replying to the original comment/line, not your comment, which i agree with

@bananasmatter1321

Жыл бұрын

@@FirefulXD just read "On Fairy Stories"

Martin: All your bad guys die and your good guys survive. Meanwhile Silmarillion: *+/- 150 named characters dead in just one book, mostly elves and humans of good side* Also Silmarillion: *Battle of unnumbered tears* Again Silmarillion: *Betrayals, fall of whole kingdoms of good side, Turin's life in torment and misery* Yeah... like hell they survive, Fatman.

@starrynight6268

Жыл бұрын

Not mentioning those who died in The Hobbit and the LoTr Trilogy itself: Thorin Kill Fili Balín Ori Boromir Theoden Isildur Elendil Aragon and Arwen (After they ruled Gondor)

@jessicacaron5084

Жыл бұрын

The funny thing is there is a character in ASOIAF named Beren Tallhart - but of course that's a character from the one story that ends well! (also you forgot the time where they kill seven named characters in one sentence and almost half of them are only mentioned in that one sentence)

@pietervanderveld3096

7 ай бұрын

As Tolkien said, both Jon Snow and Martin know nothing

@tubetorpedo

4 ай бұрын

Also survived is a relative term, not all losses are physical. E.g. Frodo who was practically main character of LotR never full recovered his journey and only Sam and maybe Gandalf even knew the totality of what he had sacrificed by being the Ring bearer. Because his deeds were not on battlefields he never even got any recognition back home, while he was the key character (among Sam) in good guys victory. Ending of LotR was quite sad (or bittersweet, depends) for that reason alone, all who did not die did not survive either. While Tolkiens mythological/fantastical history was quite "clean" (no sex, gore or muck), they still had quite a few levels behind them. Even Hobbit had it's bits of losses while it was done as kids book.

@orchardhouse9241

Күн бұрын

Oh, those Feanorians! You didn't even mention the three Kinslayings.

I was not expecting Martin to finish a rap battle, I thought he'd quit halfway through.

@bretsheeley4034

4 жыл бұрын

My guess is that Martin started rapping for ERB Season 1 and promised 7 verses.

@kylexinye1990

4 жыл бұрын

For what it's worth, Martin clearly finishes some things. Like his meals.

@roseholegha4883

4 жыл бұрын

@@kylexinye1990 DAYUM

@LolLol-cg8en

4 жыл бұрын

I mean Tolkien wasn’t much better

@sr71silver

4 жыл бұрын

@@LolLol-cg8en at least Tolkien had the dignity to keep writing till he died.

"Even the names of your characters suck" Bold words from someone who named a dragon "Drogon".

@Riri-oj1zs

3 жыл бұрын

Against someone naming his dragons: Glaurung Smaug and.... Ancalagon

@aceofspadesguy4913

3 жыл бұрын

@@Riri-oj1zs Scatha

@SoulGizmo

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@litzzon1

3 жыл бұрын

Bold for someone, who called one of the main characters Sam...it feels somehow familiar

@vwgames49

3 жыл бұрын

Tolkien named a tree "Treebeard"

The fact im watching this 7 years later show how timeless ERB is

@DeaconShadow

Жыл бұрын

I've probably watched it three dozen times at this point.

@allemagneproducer

10 ай бұрын

but who are u anyway :D jk

@rhyssdavidv.marasigan7469

10 ай бұрын

@@allemagneproducer im a random 11 yr old

@artbargra

8 ай бұрын

Unlike that HBO line *wink*

Tolkien's ending verse references the three books in order: "You can't reach this fellow" (The Fellowship of the Ring) "Shit, I'm too Towering" (The Two Towers) "Every time I battle, it's return of the King." (The Return of the King)

@Suo_kongque

Жыл бұрын

Actually, I’m pretty fellow, shit is close to fellow ship. So even closer

@rowdyreidgirl

Жыл бұрын

Woo!!

@martavdz4972

Жыл бұрын

And the second verse could be understood as "I´m Two-Towering", so it´s even more brilliant 🙂

@bonnecherie

9 ай бұрын

All of his works got a mention, and I love how they incorporated them in.

“All your bad guys die and you good guys survive” Everyone who read the silmarillion: *allow us to introduce ourselves*

@Riri-oj1zs

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Lol. Almost everyone in that book died. 🤣

@lucypanteli6895

3 жыл бұрын

@@Riri-oj1zs Turin and co., Beren and Dior with his twins, Basically almost the entire line of Finwe, a whole freaking continent:. AM I A JOKE TO YOU 😂

@Riri-oj1zs

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucypanteli6895 🤣 Tolkien was killing the most important characters in his book! How many did GRRM kill? Tolkien killed the entire race of Numenorians! Except for what, a family (Elendil, etc.)? Lol.

@gonzalovq2488

3 жыл бұрын

GRRM is an amateur. Im still criying the death of Fingolfin and Finrod

@Alisibeth_Talia212

3 жыл бұрын

YUP

"I'm number 1 and 2, you're under fifty shades of Grey" * *MARTIN BEING DESTROYED* *

@floatingblaze8405

3 жыл бұрын

Extramely underrated bar, this was absolute fire!

@ThemeParkAvenue

3 жыл бұрын

That was my favorite line, especially since Martin was holding a giant copy of Fellowship of the Ring.

@sougotokiwa8439

3 жыл бұрын

And Daenerys gets destroyed every night... 🤣

@SCP_Wandsman13_13

3 жыл бұрын

I thought killing a radroach in Fallout 4 was easy. This is even easier and more entertaining.

@irrelevant_noob

3 жыл бұрын

Lawrence Michael -DESTORYED- Thanks for editing that. :-)

Also, as someone who still sheds a tear over the ending over The Hobbit no matter how many times I read the book or watch any iteration of the movies, not all Tolkien’s good guys survive. 😭

@jgamer2228

Жыл бұрын

Thorin deserved to be King under the Mountain if any dwarf did

@TheMacC117

Жыл бұрын

Boromir over here sighing cause no one remembers him..

@tljsucks1166

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMacC117 If only Robert had gone hunting sober, wait no…

@PieBoy4242

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget Frodo. He may be alive, but he'll never be the same and he'll never be with his brothers again. It's one of the more poignant parts of the Lord of the Rings. Like veterans of WWI, some of the survivors never really came home.

@OshaVids

Жыл бұрын

well with Thorin's death bed speech, how could you not?

I only recently learned George R.R. Martin was a writer and producer for the Ron Pearlman and Linda Hamilton show Beauty and the Beast, so I totally missed that lyric he said about cutting his teeth on Beauty and the Beast the first time watching.

@christianboehlefeld5168

Жыл бұрын

Totally unrelated; R.L. Stine of Goosebumps fame was the head writer for a Nickelodeon children's show called Eureka's Castle, it was a puppet show and it was awesome.

Tolkien schooled the shit out of his ass

@nothingtoseehere705

8 жыл бұрын

Appropriate given that he was a professor.

@soundwave7154

8 жыл бұрын

Class dismissed

@turnerjensen2620

8 жыл бұрын

OOOOOOOOOOOOH

@BNGClash

8 жыл бұрын

In raps and in real life

@Bebber94

8 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

The hook he made with his two fingers in “you even stole my RR” was the American Sign Language for the letter R.

@lunabeekhuizen8858

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@voyager5174

2 жыл бұрын

also looks like a pirate Hook

@inforism.

2 жыл бұрын

the layers on this one go deep

@josephmowery542

2 жыл бұрын

I CAUGHT THAT TOO

@suflanker45

2 жыл бұрын

Damn Tolkien even beat his ass in ASL. Savage AF.

Ironically, if the two actually met, based off interviews, I think they would get along.

@vylbird8014

Жыл бұрын

And probably write a cookbook.

@martavdz4972

Жыл бұрын

They would, but I think Tolkien would have some reservations about Martin´s books. Their values differ a lot.

@charlespayne2002

Жыл бұрын

I think Tolkien would be gracious. But I don't think they would "be friends". Just look at Tolkien's contemporaries. Lewis,Barfield,Williams, and Coghill among others. Not to mention the Oxford faculty. Martin just can't contend with that level of intellect. There are few who can.

@gensfleisch332

Жыл бұрын

Of course. GRRM loved Tolkiens books.

@davidsekhleyan693

Жыл бұрын

​@@charlespayne2002 Martin is intelligent as well, he's just lazy.

i love this, but weirdly the one thing I'm really impressed about is how Peter managed to sell this old and fragile man with subtle body language. its really impressive

@drrockkso8882

9 ай бұрын

Peter is amazing at nailing the body language and mannerisms of every character he plays.

@mithrasabyss2765

2 ай бұрын

Tbh Tolkien was actually pretty fit even late in life.. IMO Martin is a lot less fit than Tolkien was at a similar age

"Good guys survive" Boromir crying in the corner.

@caitlinconsolver7827

4 жыл бұрын

RETSENRET :P lets not forget Theoden, Kili, Fili and Thorin!

@mordraug

4 жыл бұрын

And those like 50 characters in Silmarillion :D

@viperswhip

4 жыл бұрын

@@mordraug 50, I am going to count the thousands, tens of thousands of Elves who just fought the good fight but died in the process.

@filmandfirearms

4 жыл бұрын

Boromir was pretty grey, really. He got his redemption at the end, though, but he did some bad shit

@viperswhip

4 жыл бұрын

@@filmandfirearms He was a champion before the Ring but desperate, so desperate to save his land that for just a few minutes he was overcome. Grey? I guess, that's fine Davos :)

"My show's the hottest thing on HBO!" Well THAT aged poorly.

@gustavogutierrez6568

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@mohammedhamadeh4987

2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, LOTR is following suit

@_Vaal_Hazak_

2 жыл бұрын

It aged like milk lol

@imamfakhruddin1015

2 жыл бұрын

@@mohammedhamadeh4987 Nah, no matter how the show's going to be is of no effect to the trilogy. They stand alone

@thefanwithoutaface8105

2 жыл бұрын

@@mohammedhamadeh4987 Hey the trilogy is frankly untouchable at this point. Those movies are so good people actually prefer to watch the extended editions. Which is insane to consider.

"You're a pirate you even stole my R.R." That line is underrated.

@Trucmuch

Жыл бұрын

Of all the lines, that's the one most praised in the comments. So, of course, it's "underrated" 🤦

@panda4247

Ай бұрын

undeRRated?

Petition for C S Lewis vs J K Rowling rap battle. They both have 7 books and are known for their fantastic books of fantasy

@everythingmustgo4478

Жыл бұрын

jk would instantly lose 💀

@michaelkruk

Жыл бұрын

@@everythingmustgo4478 that’s the point

@princessarwen9194

Жыл бұрын

Jk Rowling is a writer not an author whereas CS Lewis is an amazing author. Rowling isn’t original so that’s an automatic loss. 😂

@phoenixmastrogiovanni157

Жыл бұрын

jk is a garbage author

@VanessaMagick

Жыл бұрын

Considering they didn't even touch Rowling going off the complete deep end in the Potter/Skywalker battle, I don't think they would want that

"All your good guys survive." Boromir: "Am I a joke to you?"

@goncalomonteiro8395

4 жыл бұрын

two words: Sean Bean

@BuckingBadger

4 жыл бұрын

Even George stole Sean Bean from J.R.R

@hitandruncommentor

4 жыл бұрын

umm, yes Boromir, the memes have made you immortal.

@ranger3576

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget Gandalf

@Sauric121

4 жыл бұрын

@Cyborg1337 The whole point of Boromir is that he's not just a good guy, he's the best guy. Well....second best guy. Because the point of Aragorn is that he's the best guy. The movies left a lot out, but in the books Aragorn and Legolas sing a song about how awesome Boromir was right after he died. :p

When you realize both authors killed off sean bean in the first

@vyktorehon5995

3 жыл бұрын

HAHA

@RachelG1979

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah yeah yeah killing Sean Bean is tight.

@leadnitrate2194

3 жыл бұрын

@@RachelG1979 it's super easy, barely an inconvenience

@waywardgoddess7219

3 жыл бұрын

When you're type cast as......the dead guy 😂😂😂😂

@RachelG1979

3 жыл бұрын

@@waywardgoddess7219 wow wow wow wow

“Every time I battle it’s the return of the king” that’s a dope line

@martavdz4972

Жыл бұрын

You can´t reach this FELLOW, I´m too TOWERING (or Two Towering...?) and every time I battle it´s the RETURN OF THE KING" they managed to slip in all the books in the right order

The "I cut my teeth in the Somme while you LARPED your Santa Clause ass through through Vietnam" is colder than anything else dropped

"You even stole my RR" Yep, Tolkien won this round.

@W123FOoL

4 жыл бұрын

That did make me LOL!

@JigenLune

4 жыл бұрын

He was even gesturing the letter R in American Sign Language as he was saying that

@semv.e3885

4 жыл бұрын

And he even said in the line before ‘you’re a pirate’ the proceeds to make the R’s sound like ‘argh argh’. The thought that goes into these lines still amazes me today

@pellejohansen

4 жыл бұрын

What does RR mean?

@pyanbredersen1235

4 жыл бұрын

This RRound

"In book sales, you've got nothing to say I'm number one and two You're under Fifty Shades of Grey" There are no words to describe how savage that was.

@Maninawig

2 жыл бұрын

Especially right after George said "you need more sex in your books"

@Duckledore

2 жыл бұрын

"That wound will never fully heal. He will carry it the rest of his life."

@iceman4208

2 жыл бұрын

Extremely

@Cl0ckcl0ck

2 жыл бұрын

'You myopic manatee' comes pretty close.

@grentahhh1781

2 жыл бұрын

Emotional Damage

what i love about this battle is that even if tolkein won by a mile, its not because the other side was weak, it was because tolkein is that kind of figure thats just untouchable in the literary world. yet regardless of that, martin’s disses and their delivery was brilliant and he would probably win if he was scaled up against any modern author. it kinda makes me glad when erb puts so much effort even into the losing side, you can really see this rap battle has their heart and soul put into it just from the amount of references, flow, acting and editing.

@deanooooooo6496

2 ай бұрын

The guys who made this video had too much respect for Tolkien, which is earned, he was from a different time where literary pursuits where more earned and part of everyday. There was no internet or easy research for Tolkien his amusement and entertainment would have been his writing and telling stories to others.

@crabbieappleton

Ай бұрын

Against any modern author? Yeah, no.

'all your bad guys die and you good guys survive' Boromir would like to have a word with you George

@djokealtena2538

9 ай бұрын

And if you've read The Silmarillion and the Hobbit quite a few heroes more

@connorbosley4431

9 ай бұрын

​@@djokealtena2538basically everyone in the silmarillion except the valar, elrond, and cirdan.

@djokealtena2538

9 ай бұрын

@@connorbosley4431 ssshhh don't spoil it for em.

@tubetorpedo

3 ай бұрын

Even LotR has several good guys who do not survive, add Hobbit and Silmarillion on top of that then plenty of good heroes who gets killed. So that line was not especially accurate. While interactions in general might not be as Machiavellian as Martin's works, Tolkien did not spare his characters either especially earlier times before Sauron's return to power has goodies taking plenty of beatings at various points. Writing style is quite different but being on a good side on Tolkien's stories does not mean you survive.

FunFact. Sir Christopher Lee was the only one in the lord of the rings cast who met Tolkien IRL.

@elaineb7065

3 жыл бұрын

And that must have been one epic meeting as they compared their world wars (Tolkien in the first, Lee in the second). Or maybe several...

@dmt_useless2254

3 жыл бұрын

I know tolkien wanted him to play grndalf but he ended up playing saruman

@Solnoric

3 жыл бұрын

@@elaineb7065 more like it was maybe 90 seconds as tolkien said hello to a friend at the same table while Chris was locked up starstruck. According to christopher lee, at any rate.

@karol9205

3 жыл бұрын

@@elaineb7065 tolkien and count dooku must look epic

@OMARG431

3 жыл бұрын

I-N R-E-A-L L-I-F-E. You're welcome

"every time I battle is the return of the king!" Tolkien is a fucking legend

@NoobMicesters

7 жыл бұрын

"shit im two towering"

@MayoZrooski

7 жыл бұрын

Battle this (F)ellow

@apollo8008

7 жыл бұрын

Battle this fellow shit, get it. Alright.

@mf1520

7 жыл бұрын

#Rekt

@apollo8008

7 жыл бұрын

J.R.R Toilet really ? Dude you're not even old enough to watch GoT.

The raps are genuinely amazing in this one, but I only just noticed the incorporation of Immigrant Song's beat at the mention of Led Zeppelin (2:07). Genuinely amazes me how even after years there are tiny details I'm still noticing in these things, especially such creative stuff like that. Truly goes to show how much these guys have cared since day 1.

@loganmott2015

9 ай бұрын

Listen to The Battle of Evermore. They literally say “and Gollum’s and the Evil One swept up and slipped away with her” meaning the ring (I think). They were hardcore Tolkien fans. One was into the occult too but let’s speak of those two in the same comment.

@drrockkso8882

9 ай бұрын

​​@@loganmott2015The lyric you're referring to is actually from "Ramble On", but "The Battle of Evermore" also directly references stuff from LotR including ringwraiths. Zep were massive Tolkein fans.

"I'm number 1 and 2, you're under 50 shades of grey" has to be one of the best insults i've ever heard.

@zxylo786

7 ай бұрын

GoT isn't under 50 Shades of Gray

@the_devils_jester

7 ай бұрын

@@zxylo786 Have ypu ever heard about books, good sir? They are like shows but you only get the script and have to play it in your head. J. R. R. Tolkien and George R. R. Martin have published those and that's what the Sentence was about.

@zxylo786

7 ай бұрын

@the_devils_jester GoT sold more books that 50 shades. GOt has sold 90 million. Not even close

@the_devils_jester

7 ай бұрын

@@zxylo786 Last time i looked it up it was the other way round

@the_devils_jester

7 ай бұрын

@@zxylo786 i looked it up Asoiaf sold 90 million copies and 50 shades 100 million.

I feel dumb. I just realized that when he said "You're a pirate. You even stole my R.R." He holds up his fingers like a pirate hook but also the letter R in sign language. A really nice touch

@joefraney9827

3 жыл бұрын

you never know it could be a reference to what he studied at Oxford University(Linguistics)

@colechandwel9550

3 жыл бұрын

And don't forget pirates say "ARRR"... it works on many levels.

@Pipecleaner_enthusiasts_2004

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@akaneh1989

3 жыл бұрын

@@colechandwel9550 I believe that could be why it became the letter's symbol in sign language

@tadaotakumi9852

3 жыл бұрын

Well, unless you've learnt about sign language, you wouldn't caught up to that. And even then, he did say "you're a pirate", so your mind would totally think of that sign as a hook right away.

“You’re a pirate! You even stole my R R”. That’s respectively deep.

@Kaydee815

3 жыл бұрын

Esp with the ASL sign for R.

@raymondsison9186

3 жыл бұрын

Had me chucklin' 😂

@AndreBarnett

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kaydee815 Damn thanks for that

@sehbaanabbasi

3 жыл бұрын

and the ending " everytime I battle it's return of the king " Martin just got owned

@tankythemagnorite9855

3 жыл бұрын

And he stole the name Drogo from Tolkien. It's Frodo's father.

"We all know the world of fun of chance and anarchy. So yes it's true to life, bit news flash, IT'S CALLED FANTASY." A quote that Hollywood really needs to hear more of nowadays.

Martin: Fired shots. Tolkien: Launched tactical nuke.

@legomaster9190

3 жыл бұрын

Yeap, basically that's what happened here! And I love it!!

@josephstalin364

3 жыл бұрын

Moral of the story: Don’t mess with someone who cut their teeth in the trenches of the Somme

@code.6421

3 жыл бұрын

30-0 on him🤣

@theftparrot5750

3 жыл бұрын

Martin: Brings a Light Machine Gun Tolkein: *AC130 ABOVE*

@nightfalls5462

3 жыл бұрын

he just vaporized him...

You're a pirate, even stole my R.R. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@DragonLover

7 жыл бұрын

Apply cool water to the burned area

@kyleshepard3139

7 жыл бұрын

call the fire department and bust out the Aloe Vera, 'cause this nigga just got BURNED!

@johndmgs

7 жыл бұрын

+Krimson What I love about that part is how Tolkien 'signs' the letter R, which in sign language, looks like a pirate hook.

@timvandooren

7 жыл бұрын

It's also "Arr". Like pirates

@DOUMA_theblacksuns

7 жыл бұрын

fucking savage

"You're a pirate Martin, you even stole my R.R." Truer words have never been said.

Gotta say, the bar 'I cut my teeth in the trenches of the Somme, you LARP'ed your Santa Claus Ass through Vietnam!' is still the most epic bar in this entire series, according to me...

"Lewis and I were just discussing" That's such a powerful boast that the Battle can end there

@tkraid2575

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. C.S. Lewis, another notable thinker, a logician, who wrote Alice in Wonderland. A subtle way of saying George isn't in their level 😆

@iancalhoun7644

2 жыл бұрын

@@tkraid2575 that's Lewis Caroll, CS Lewis wrote Narnia.

@Briman13

2 жыл бұрын

lmfao C.S Lewis was a chud who rewrote the bible in 7 books. As someone who read through chronicles of Narnia, Martin could literally wipe his ass with the chronicles of Narnia. "eVeRyoNe DiEs AnD AsLaN iS jEsUs" is 9000 times worse than anything D.B Weiss and David Benioff could ever write, as INTERPRETERS of George R.R Martin.

@Briman13

2 жыл бұрын

"Aslan is Jesus" is so much worse than "dany forgot about the iron fleet"

@user-mx4is4fx3c

2 жыл бұрын

@@Briman13 finally someone who sees how frustrating his ending for Narnia was

“All your bad guys die and your good guys survive” Boromir, Theoden, Thorin, Fíli and Kíli: crying in the corner

@tulipalll

3 жыл бұрын

The silmarillion kills off EVERYone

@basariyaaciz

3 жыл бұрын

Fingolfin...

@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer

3 жыл бұрын

Nevermind all of numenor and half of middle earth

@loskar9085

3 жыл бұрын

@@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer Pretty much AHAHAHAHA.

@juanjosefreijedo774

3 жыл бұрын

Dont even mention the characters that died in other books where they are not MCs. Balin in Moria.

Tolkien's last verse is top 10 bars all time

Tolkien made his own universe in his writing, giving stories and life to everything he could. His writing is believable. The movies based on his books are great. Martin, in comparison, wrote a good book series, and had an ok series that was made off it, and granted, there is a new one now, but can it beat the movies or books of Tolkien? Now, both authors are great, but Martin cant really compete with Tolkien. Tolkien went out of his way, writing an entire language for one of the races in his books. Martin just wanted to keep people interested in his books by creating a congestion of suspension and tension.

@FirefulXD

Жыл бұрын

well judging by rop vs hotd, clearly martin took that one

@IXtremchiller

Жыл бұрын

one language for one race? spoiler warning: the languages were the point to Tolkien, all the stories, rich history and nations were just set dressing to be able to invent more languages

@rullvard8245

Жыл бұрын

The World of Ice and Fire is, in my opinion, more interesting. Still though, Tolkien's world is also great. Both great, but both write differently, with one trying bigger and more "realistic" world which is grey, compared to the "smaller" one which has more fantastical elements and is more black and white. And of course, they have the Lord of the Rings movies, which didn't really suck.

@NotAGoodUsername360

Жыл бұрын

They had completely different goals and aspirations when it came to fantasy. Tolkien took a more God-like perspective, more interested in building an idyllic world with pure, noble battles between good and evil, striving towards a noble purpose. George meanwhile takes more of a historian's perspective, where Machiavellianism reigns supreme and tragedy ensues- not because evil is wrong, necessarily, but because it is tactically stupid.

@bradenmerriman5206

Жыл бұрын

I would say the series had a great first half, and a second half that destroyed it.

Tolkien's Lord of the Rings at one point, was the number 2 most read book in the English language, 2nd only to the Bible.

@RightTurnClyde

4 жыл бұрын

And McDonald's is the most popular restaurant on earth. That hardly means it's the best.

@jackfroste

4 жыл бұрын

@@RightTurnClyde That's a good point. So we all have begun to realize that McDonalds food is bad for you and their reputation will continue to sink until the corporation goes broke some day. In the same way, you seem to be implying that Tolkien is only relevant and popular now, but one day, the world will wise up and realize his writing was trash while Martin's work will gain popularity? I guess it is possible, though not likely in my opinion.

@angrywada8147

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackfroste no dude i think he was taking a hit on the bible

@jackfroste

4 жыл бұрын

@@angrywada8147 Ah, okay. I get it now. thanks.

@angrywada8147

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackfroste I'm trying to be unbiased but as a Christian it really did anger me but *deep breath* tHATS OK

Tokien had a fantastic comeback for every possible diss that came his way, not only that, but he put himself on the top and kicked Martin down at the exact same time. Martin's lyrics weren't bad, in fact they were really good, but Tolkien's were just dominating.

@FoxWalkerBR

7 жыл бұрын

Funny how normally the last person to appears in the video normally win lol

@ShadyDoorags

7 жыл бұрын

FoxWalker BR The person to rap last has a better chance of winning because they get more chances to come back from anything that's said to them and get the last word.

@FoxWalkerBR

7 жыл бұрын

Shady Doorags Yes I know. Sadly even when the character is bad, if he's the last one singing, probably he will still win anyway

@tiagosottomaior346

7 жыл бұрын

+FoxWalker BR você por aqui??? Hahaha

@FoxWalkerBR

7 жыл бұрын

TIAGO SOTTOMAIOR Cara, to em todo lugar kkkkk E esse é um dos meus rap's que eu mais valorizo nesse canal kkkkk

“CS, Lewis and I were just discussing, how you and Jon Snow, both know nothing” - A masterpiece line

"Every time I battle it's return of the king".... how do you possibly top that as a closer

As Pratchett said of fantasy writers: "We are all standing on Mount Tolkien."

@BloodyBay

4 жыл бұрын

Even a magnificent and monumental writer like Terry Pratchett must pay homage to the One True King (though Pratchett being a humble, down-to-earth man despite all his fame helped). We all must. And not just authors and readers; we tabletop gamers must pay homage to Tolkien, too. WIthout Dungeons & Dragons, there would never have been any World of Darkness, any Shadowrun, any Harnworld, any Palladium, any Hackmaster, any Bunnies & Burrows or any other tabletop roleplaying games. And without Tolkien's works, there would never have been any Dungeons & Dragons.

@Slawterer098

4 жыл бұрын

Incorrect qoute as follows: "J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints. Sometimes it’s big and up close. Sometimes it’s a shape on the horizon. Sometimes it’s not there at all, which means that the artist either has made a deliberate decision against the mountain, which is interesting in itself, or is in fact standing on Mt. Fuji."

@poshboy4749

4 жыл бұрын

@Warlok Seriously you're suggesting the Conan the Barbarian is better than Tolkien? I mean it's Conan the Barbarian that argument defeats itself.

@ikpts

4 жыл бұрын

@Warlok Its also hard to ignore the similarities between Tolkein's Lord of the Rings and Wagner's 'Ring Cycle' opera series. People who act like Tolkein invented something have never dug any deeper.

@stepanvenclik6374

4 жыл бұрын

@@ikpts Right. It is also hard to avoid noticing similarities between Wagner (or Tolkien in that matter) and Scandinavian mythology. Both Tolkien and Wagner based their stories in it, and none of them tried to hide that. You could dismiss almost all modern writing as based on something older. But that is not the point, is it. Adoption of themes is not neccesirly wrong. It matters HOW it is done. Tolkien has IMHO succeeded in making Fantasy mainstream. His creativity was expressed in inventing complex world with thorough history and FREAKING custom languages.

TOLKIEN DESTROYED IT!

@michaeliliev6282

7 жыл бұрын

yass

@star2playsstarcraft219

7 жыл бұрын

Hinata yaaaaaaas!

@gooseymcfloozey944

7 жыл бұрын

especially with the line about how he almost died in wwi and martin didnt do crap in vietnam

@cholten99

7 жыл бұрын

It wasn't until I rewatched it (again) that I realised how much Tolkien crushed it!

@SovereignStatesman

7 жыл бұрын

It wasn't until I WATCHED GAME OF THRONES that I realized how much Tolkien crushed it! Seriously, that's like an R-rated medieval soap-opera, and somehow we're supposed to care about LITERAL kings fighting for power on another planet, while LotR is just modern symbolism in a pre-Ancient genre. ATTENTION NOOBS: THANK YOU FOR NOT SPOUTING OFF

The "too Towering" and "return of the King" lines are brilliant, but the first time I listened I missed the one which was between two lines, "you can't reach this *fellow, shit* I'm too Towering" as in Fellowship

Tolkien still releasing books beyond the grave like a G.

@dragonlord4194

2 ай бұрын

It's wonderful, that Christopher Tolkien picked up the work of his father and treated it with the same respeact as J.R.R. Tolkien gave to his world.

@TighelanderII

Ай бұрын

Like Tupac and Hendricks.

there was a really big missed opportunity in this battle. they should have had had someone dressed up like sean bean who died in one verse then died again in the other person's verse because after all, no matter how many differences there are between lord of the rings and a game of thrones, that one factor, the death of good guy sean bean's character, unites them.

@Jindorek

7 жыл бұрын

omg, i never even thought of that!! and its so obvious!

@codeman3788

7 жыл бұрын

lol yeah sean bean dies in almost every movie/series he is involved in

@louthinator

7 жыл бұрын

codeman3788 except sharpe.

@louthinator

7 жыл бұрын

カオス猫 i mean technically he ascends... even after the dragon turns to stone after fighting back mehrunes dagon he ascends up to join akatosh.

@Mormielo

7 жыл бұрын

Come on, this is not true, think of Equilibrium for example... Ehm... er...

“C.S. Lewis and I were just discussing how you and Jon Snow both know nothing” absolutely BRUTAL

@dakotastein9499

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn't CS the guy who made Narnia?

@martavdz4972

2 жыл бұрын

@@dakotastein9499 Yep. He was brilliant in discussions and basically owned everyone, that´s why the rap battle mentions discussions. If he got his own rap battle, he´d win it with arguments from logic and philosophy. He was less patient but more versatile than Tolkien. He wrote a sci-fi trilogy, fantasy books for adults, heaps of great essays and a book on Renaissance literature. It was one of the few scholarly books I had to read at university that were both brilliant and highly enjoyable :-) Lewis also "cut his teeth in the trenches of the Somme". They were friends with Tolkien for most of their lives. They created the genre of fantasy together, based on the work of George McDonald (and mythology, of course), but only Tolkien usually gets credit for it, and not Lewis or McDonald. Tolkien was by far the best, but not the only one. LOTR wouldn´t exist without McDonald and wouldn´t be the same without Lewis.

@user-kb5oo2yu8q

2 жыл бұрын

@@martavdz4972 not mentioning that all those are works of one of the greatest Christian apologists of modern era.

@oliverdelica2289

2 жыл бұрын

I also love the transition to that scene 😂

@rubix4195

2 жыл бұрын

"A man with an obsession is a man with very little sales resistance" - A quote from a YT comment to suggest C.S Lewis was nuts. Yeah, some people on YT comments and Jon Snow both know nothing!

“Cause there’s a new literary lord in the ring” is an underrated line

It's so absolutely untrue that all of Tolkien's good guys "always survive". In the movies themselves we have Boromir, Theoden and Denethor that died. In The Hobbit, half of the dwarves (main characters) die, including Thorin Oakenshield, basically THE MOST important character of the story along with Bilbo. And in the Silmarillion, not only do TONS of main characters die all the time - like Feanor, Fingolfin and countless others - but there's also fratricide wars and countless betrayals, wars between elves and dwarves and even elves with each other. The difference is just that the shitshow that is ASoIF kills characters for mere shock value, which is why this thing will die out while LotR will be eternal

@dabestestgoblin8495

Жыл бұрын

There is even incest in the Silmarillion lmao

@icecell

Жыл бұрын

The Silm was brutal, man. And he even had deaths in the book meant for _children_ . People who keep saying Tolkien's just generic goody fantasy never read his work.

@utubefuku7132

11 ай бұрын

@@PotterMarauder If you dont think that Denethor was good it's probably because you havent read the book. He was in fact an awesome leader for Gondor, and yes he was flawed, which actually makes him a better character, not worse. His wife died during child labor when Faramir was born, which is why he is so cold with Faramir, but in the end he realized how much he loved his son. He also endured a battle of will with Sauron himself, by using constantly the Palantir to know about Sauron's plans, so he was actually a badass, and with that he held Mordor at bay for several decades. This however would end up costing him his mental endurance, after decades of battling will with Sauron over the Palantir, Denethor become more and more desperate, until finally during the battle for Minas Tirith he lost all hope and came to believe that the world of men was doomed. Denethor was actually a good man and a good ruler, a flawed man but still a good person nonetheless, and his story is a tragedy, much more than just simply a moustache swirling villain getting his well deserved fate like how it was portrayed in the movies. Heck, the story of his entire family is a sad tragedy - he loses his wife, and Boromir and Faramir lose their mother, and in the end, Faramir also loses his brother and his father. Good thing that at least Faramir found Eomer and some peace in his life at the end, a well deserving end for someone that endured so much suffering. Alas, poor Denethor. He was only human.

@acr7780

9 ай бұрын

How does Asoiaf kill for shock value? The deaths are foreshadowed. The characters make multiple poor decisions leading upto and causing their deaths and the deaths are built off of to further serve the plot in an interesting way. Think Ned, Robb and Jon Snow. Also calling asoiaf a shitshow? One of the most famous modern fantasies? I know myself and lots of others prefer asoiaf to LOTR. The characters are more interesting, compelling, flawed, human and relatable. The characters are really the heart of the story after all, and I can't think of any in lotr that come close to the likes of Jaime, Tyrion, Theon etc. Not to mention I also much prefer the story and pacing of asoiaf. It's complex and epic, involving so many fantastic characters across many different locations. Lotr is pretty clear cut and simple in comparison. It's also the simple good vs evil, with the characters being good or evil. I realise that was the intended purpose but its not hard to imagine others prefer asoiaf for that reason. That's what it comes down to in the end: personal preference. And to act like one is objectively better than the other is stupid. They are both very different stories intended to accomplish different things. Asoiaf is almost a twisted version of lotr. But honestly asoiaf was a page turner for me whilst lotr was dull and boring. I kept getting put off whilst reading them. To each their own

@wooter558

4 ай бұрын

@@acr7780bro keep preaching all these lord of the rings lovers here can’t take this lol

I really love the fact that Tolkien wrote one of the greatest literary franchises of all time because he created a new language and wanted an excuse to use it.

@Talinrogue

2 жыл бұрын

not just one new language.but many languages for elves, the ents, dark speech, dwarvish and many more.

@hailtothevic

2 жыл бұрын

Languages. Plural. Nobody in history has or ever will be as extra as Tolkien

@hunter30432

2 жыл бұрын

It’s actually kind of par for the course for new languages to be created. You can pay people to do that nowadays.

@christianconrad242

2 жыл бұрын

@@hunter30432 It is now. But, I don't think that was the case in the 1950s.

@hailtothevic

2 жыл бұрын

@@hunter30432 JRR walked so other fantasy writers could run!

So many great costumes/characters in this one. It’s so admirable that they put so much effort into the background characters who only appear for a few seconds. Tremendous job from the costume and makeup departments

Funnily enough, LOTR by Peter Jackson, is probably what blew the door open to fantasy being more mainstream, and allowing us nerds to occasionally not be bullied as much

Here to honor J. R. R.'s son. His son Christopher J. R. Tolkien is the person we need to thank for compiling J. R. R.'s unfinished works so that we could read them

@jamescannon7935

4 жыл бұрын

R.I.P

@novacaesar9303

4 жыл бұрын

F

@NotTheAbhi

4 жыл бұрын

Worry not for Christopher is with his father in the Undying Lands

@dlxmarks

4 жыл бұрын

Christopher spent years sorting and organizing the mountain of his father's manuscripts. The amount of effort it took to decipher the often faint and illegible handwriting alone is deeply impressive.

@littleredbook2009

4 жыл бұрын

Thx Christopher Tolkien. God speed.

Why did they not mention the fact that Tolkien accomplished something that Martin probably never will: FINISHED THE STORY.

@snurdburglar6854

2 жыл бұрын

this was years ago bruh

@edwardhardwick2180

2 жыл бұрын

Not quite. Tolkien never finished the Silmarillion, as it was published after his death by his son Christopher Tolkien, who edited together the various tales his father had written into a cohesive whole. However, Tolkien does have an excuse for this as unlike Martin, Tolkien wasn't a full time author as he had a full time job as a professor of lingustics at Oxford University. He didn't write these books because it was his job or to make money, he wrote them because it damn well pleased him to do so.

@Kyuuketsuki47

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardhardwick2180 What does the Silmarillion have to do with anything? JRR Tolkien wrote two stories and finished them. The Hobbit and LotR. So what if he failed to finish his third? GRRM has 1 story, which has been going since 1991. It took Tolkien 12 years to write LotR, and like you said, he had a full time profession ON TOP of that. Heck, its been a decade since the last ASOIF novel.

@samhowes4738

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardhardwick2180 the thing is Tolkien couldn’t finish the Silmarillion because he died. Martin just isn’t writing his books

@theteutonking3306

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardhardwick2180 also the fact that well, _Tolkien fucking died_

GRRM: "All your bad guys die and your good guys survive." Sean Bean: *tears*

Watching George R.R. Martin get trounced by Tolkien will never cease to put a smile on my face.

Tolkien slaughtered him.

@UncleMikeNJ

8 жыл бұрын

+Ikemeitz Ironically.

@speedymexicans706

8 жыл бұрын

It was a tie for me

@MW3theF1NEST

8 жыл бұрын

Totally

@TacticalMetalJoegaming

8 жыл бұрын

+Ikemeitz Yup xD roasted the shit outta him....

@ahhhh108

8 жыл бұрын

+Ikemeitz return of the king indeed shredded George.

Forrest Gump vs Usain Bolt

@jackhealy8058

8 жыл бұрын

Oh my God yes

@embryjohnson7465

8 жыл бұрын

Yes

@channel5980

8 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@Amenoxiel

8 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

@Tauri9111

8 жыл бұрын

too good! :D

I'm giving this to Martin. Why? Because at least he managed to finish his fucking rap battle. That's a great achievement for him!

Watching this again i missed how funny the "sends a raven to say hi to your toes" was lol

"All your good guys survive" Literally almost every good guy in the first age: Am I a joke to you?

@matthieusoppelsa5996

4 жыл бұрын

Gg

@toxicfataldestiny5408

4 жыл бұрын

594 don’t forget Boromir and Gandalf but technically Gandalf comes back.

@trueredpanda1538

4 жыл бұрын

@@toxicfataldestiny5408 guess his K/D went down? 😂

@mrhalfwit972

4 жыл бұрын

boromir, denethor, theoden, theodore: are we a joke to you

@bhayes790

4 жыл бұрын

Thorin, Boromir, Turin, Beren, Beleg Cuthalion, Nienor, Luthien, Maedhros, Finwe, the two trees, does Feanor count...? Sure why not. Everybody at the Kinslaying in Aqualande. Also Fingolfin, Fingon, Hurin, Huor... I could go on 😂

Tolkien absolutely obliterated Martin. "got my children making millions off my Silmarillions" - Perfection

@TheMeta141

2 жыл бұрын

what's even funnier is The Silmarrilion isn't actually a book, it's a bunch of random things Tolkien wrote that his son cobbled together into a somewhat coherent book

@JM-ch4mo

2 жыл бұрын

It should have been Martin vs Rawling, with Tolkien coming in at the end to school both of them.

@crucif0x

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMeta141 "somewhat coherent" is a very kind way of putting it. Every time I pick it up I get a headache

@esh529

2 жыл бұрын

That line actually aged well… as long as the Amazon series kills it lol

@Q1nt0

2 жыл бұрын

@@JM-ch4mo maybe after the LOTR series we can see something like that

The end with Tolkien referencing each book in order was way too strong. I wonder what George would say if he saw that.

Occasionally I come back to this and after all these years I can't help but feel like even comparing the two is an insult to Tolkien...

I love the fact that Tolkien's intro has him TAKING OFF THE RING and then putting it in his pocket, like he's saying "I don't need this to win" and then proceeds to utterly wipe that floor with Martin

@ownedintheface1220

2 жыл бұрын

holy shit just saw this now lol

@luthientinuviel2823

2 жыл бұрын

Lord off the Ring 🤭

@ashessakura7518

2 жыл бұрын

@@luthientinuviel2823 LMAO

@bigeasy6511

2 жыл бұрын

Also like a reference bc in Lotr the ring makes you invisible so when he took it off he shows up

@roomba178

2 жыл бұрын

It also shows he is powerful enough to not be manipulated by The Ring

Man, Tolkien destroyed this one.

@RumoSiAnnoia

8 жыл бұрын

definitely

@jonadahlberg8231

8 жыл бұрын

Tolkien is the one to rule them all

@mariechavez8967

8 жыл бұрын

Hailz yea

@xelic1996

8 жыл бұрын

+joshscorcher To be honest I think they both lost this. Neither of them were clever at all. It's like they were trying TOO hard to find references for this one. Neither of them were better than the other to where I could say one won, unlike other ones like poe vs king, zulu vs ceasar ect.

@jeck988

8 жыл бұрын

Totally

"All your bad guys die and your good guys survive, we can tell what's gonna happen by page and age 5!" *Boromir and Theoden* "Are we jokes to You?"

Martin complaining about too much backstory is pretty rich. The dude slipped from fantasy storytelling into fictional history lessons by book four.

this one goes to tolkien.

@catherinestickels2591

8 жыл бұрын

All the way, he slaughtered here

@salo6684

8 жыл бұрын

Right?!

@got_lucky7683

8 жыл бұрын

+Richard Salo yes

@potatobucket3266

8 жыл бұрын

who agree with cap america vs iron man

@justicesmith1815

8 жыл бұрын

+PyroGamer _123 me

Tolkien died like 45 years ago but he's still puttin out material. Where you at, George?

@sunbro6998

5 жыл бұрын

ouch.

@thepunkerlive9949

5 жыл бұрын

2 years Beren and luthien & Fall of gondolin. 2017 and 2018... Soon his grandson will probably take over to keep delivering new materials.

@bigred5125

5 жыл бұрын

He's put out 3 GoT books since a Dance with Dragons. He's putting out works, just not the ones many people want.

@wizardpig02_81

5 жыл бұрын

Randy Bowlin Ouch

@hewhoplugwalks

5 жыл бұрын

@@ruairiodonohoe2533 Indeed he did. The Battle of the Somme during the First World War.

This reminds me of a very heated argument I had with one of my professors in college (crappy college, but still) - this was the early 90's, and I maintained that Tolkien should be considered one of the greats, and he just absolutely shit on that idea. He just would not hear any argument that his works were worthy because they were fantasy, in his mind might has well had been comic books. Here we are, thirty years later, and I'm pretty sure I was right.

I like that Martin is playing Zork on the computer instead of writing his book.

Dat "You're under Fifty shades of grey" and "Ask Led zeppelin" got me daaaaam, you can't beat that George. Tolkien 4 d win.

@q1w2e3621

8 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@aliammar4627

8 жыл бұрын

disagree

@nomatchesformikey7768

8 жыл бұрын

+Raika Bladler Wow dude, really? LED Zeppelin, not Lez

@lautarosola386

8 жыл бұрын

+John Mathews phone keyboard, sorry i didn't mean to disrespect one of the gods of rock. (edited it)

@nomatchesformikey7768

8 жыл бұрын

Good man. I was worried you were someone who only wanted to sound cool and mention a line, even if the grammar or spelling was wrong.

George’s raps weren’t bad but Tolkien fucking DESTROYED him. Every time he does anything it’s Return of The King

@crusader0074

2 жыл бұрын

I prefer both R A Salvatore and Patrick Rothfuss to George “R. R.” Martin…but Tolkien is the best!

@johnbradshaw3001

2 жыл бұрын

@@crusader0074 rothfuss fucked up his fan by never finishing the triology

@crusader0074

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnbradshaw3001 I agree. I actually never even finished the 2nd book.

@johnbradshaw3001

2 жыл бұрын

@@crusader0074 wish he would have taken a page from Sanderson. Not many good fantasy coming out lately.

@crusader0074

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnbradshaw3001 Yup. R A Salvatore is good and fun, but also kind of repetitive.