The world's greatest thinkers are always in the comment section.

@OneMan-wl1wj

9 күн бұрын

😂😂 nailed it.

@dineshkumarsnair7964

9 күн бұрын

Excellent..

@nicholash8021

9 күн бұрын

We're here with you brother. Lol.

@Jun_kid

9 күн бұрын

Honored to be in your company 😁

@mrpresidentbarry

8 күн бұрын

TRUTH hahahahaha!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I have to say he expresses an impressive clarity of viewpoint given the vague nature of the topic. Some of these videos are so abstract I find it challenging to pragmatically understand

Science has absolute and incontrovertible answers about what is measurable. If something can be measured, science is the way to take. BUT nor everything that we know is measurable. That's the problem.

This man's mind is sharp.

Have any of you read Plato? How can you have such a discussion without mentioning the Crito and Phaedo dialogues. The Soul is Life, and Life can never be it's opposite (dead). Just as something can't be so hot, that it is cold, and nothing can be so bright that it is dark, so too Life can never be dead. Death is the disassociation of the body and Soul. The body dies because the Soul (Life) has left, but Life (Soul) itself lives on because the Soul can never be so alive that it dies. This is a retroductive ontological truth because it can be no other way.

@obiwanduglobi6359

10 күн бұрын

Plato is dead. Long live quantum mechanics (superposition).

@vatirhea

10 күн бұрын

@@obiwanduglobi6359 bless your little heart. Superposition is the superstition of the failing Cult of Bouncing Particles. It has too many free parameters, an ever growing list of imaginary particles that have never been directly observed, imaginary dark matter, imaginary dark energy, and it's all built upon unfalsifiable premisses. Superposition is just another self contradicting made-up term used by your religious cult for somethings it doesn't understand. The double slit experiment proves the primacy of consciousness. Matter is defined into existence by collapsing the wave function through observation. Consciousness is primal and matter is emergent. The proof is staring you in the face, but you can't admit it because it has been deemed heresy by the Citadel of Science. This is why the Copenhagen Model of Quantum Mechanics is no longer science. It is a religious cult. And, this channel is polluted with it's cult members.

@johnnytass2111

9 күн бұрын

Thank you for your most thoughtful response. Closer to Truth needs to read this.

I agree and disagree, but I really appreciate how concretely he broke it all down. Excellent guest.

🧐Great discussion and topic, J P Moreland impressive, I’m in his corner wish I could explain and speak as well 🤔👍

I think this is one of those questions that have the answer in itself because it's not formulated in the right way. The answer is yes. The whole purpose of a soul is to survive death. The excuse for the existance of a soul for people that believe in it is only because they need to believe there is life after death. The real question is IS THERE A SOUL?

@sven888

9 күн бұрын

There is only one Soul in the Universe. There is no 'you' or 'me'; all variety is merged into the absolute unity, the one infinite existence - God. Swami Vivekananda

I would absolutely love to believe in the existence of a 'soul' as an entity that exists beyond our brain. I have never seen any evidence of that. I have seen situations of dementia where parents no longer have any recognition of their children or anyone else in their life. I feel that if a soul beyond our brain and body existed, it would not, and could not, be touched or altered by a brain deficit. We certainly imprint our personalities and compassion on other people and they/we retain that after a person passes away. So, the memory of people we love exists in our brains. Even to say that such an entity as a soul or spirit exists, we would say that fully knowing that there is no known plane of existence that such entities would dwell. There is the idea of 'heaven', but it is a theoretical place that whose existence is admittedly taken on faith, not fact.

They need to start with a definition of what they mean by soul.

@yadurajdas532

7 күн бұрын

Unit of consciousness

The fact that one could ask if there is 1 person or 2 for split brains just implies that questions about persons can't be reduced to questions about brains? However, I think the brain-identity camp sees this situation as like Siamese-twins. There are two people and they both control the same body. They can remain in synch, because each can observe what the other is doing through shared sensory systems. If you were to put one hemisphere to sleep and have the other work, when the sleeping one woke up, it would not be in synch vis a vis the memories of the other hemisphere. Dolphins are an interesting case (i.e., hemispheres take turns sleeping). They might always stay in synch, simply because on a hemisphere waking up, it can still "talk" to the other hemisphere. In the split brain case, the hemisphere that stayed awake would have to give a verbal report to have the sleeping one stay in synch. "The self is a simple substance that isn't composed of parts" (or something like that). How is this just not an assertion? The difference between some atheists and some theists vis a vis the soul: the former believes in a mortal soul, whereas the latter does not. That may be the only difference between the two (i.e., they can be identical on morals, aesthetics, etc.)

They are philosophical questions, 100% agree. Examining the physical realm by itself( keyword by itself) can't answer the questions.

….and why would anyone alive today KNOW the answer to that question?

@sven888

9 күн бұрын

Contemplation and in depth studies of physics, biology, cosmology and so on. Even then, not everybody gets it. Having a PhD is no guarantee that you understand. Some simple folks without education have a sudden awakening too but for most it is brought on by trauma which makes people stop and think. We don't really think. We are thought things that other people want us to think.

@Miguel_Molina

7 күн бұрын

Your question pretty much underscores what philosophy is lol

I think it's arbitrary to say "consciousness is that thing you feel when you wake up from anesthesia". I think that is actually a feeling of consciousness going in and out of a consciously arbitrary physical limbo. My ultimate/fundamental recognition of consciousness transends arbitration itself.

The video game isn't the same as my game console, the video game correlates within my console when its running the game merely show a bidirectional causal relationship between the two. So far so good. Why this then suddenly becomes a question outside of scientific inquiry eludes me.

@sven888

9 күн бұрын

Yes. Then again. Is a raindrop not the ocean?

in the case of spd, each personality seems to be linked to the direction of focus which can only be at only one hemisphere at a time and more often at the one which has been utilized more often than the other...

Singular state being "consciousness" transsends all...from the positive curvature of physical universe to the "feelings" one can manifest through the novel wave of their internal existence.

@Micheal313

10 күн бұрын

313 arbitration of sacred spectrum. Each and everyone of you knows exactly what is going on but is playing the game.

@sven888

9 күн бұрын

@@Micheal313 You are right on the last part. Have you heard about Ludus Amoris?

"Immortal soul" exists only as a thought in the mind, as a concept, a figure of speech. It borrows its reality from our imagination.Its existence is the same as that of a Unicorn.

The deeper you study fundamental physics, the more you realize that what we call matter looks more an more like some kind of soul. Apparantly all that really exists in the physical world are fields. A field is just a function that assigns numbers to every point in spacetime and is constrained by the equations of physics. If correct then there is no trouble with the spirtual world interacting with the physical world, matter itself is mysterious.

@stuford

10 күн бұрын

Yes and the so called physical world is mainly empty space!

@Greg-xs5py

10 күн бұрын

@@stuford Yes, but what is empty space? Vacuum, what is vacuum? It's not so simple, study quantum field theory. Plus, as stated, the empty space is full of fields. There is one an only one EM field in the universe, believe it or not.

@dr_shrinker

10 күн бұрын

I can understand your point, but it works just as well if you said the same thing and stated there is no soul, based on the same reasoning.

@Greg-xs5py

9 күн бұрын

@@dr_shrinker That's fine, no problem with that, this was in response to the argument that is usually made against the soul that it is impossible for non-matter to interact with matter. My point is that whatever matter is, its weird, so anything is possible.

Consciousness in a mind posture is. Where there is mind there is soul and where there is soul there is mind.

My thoughts EXACTLY!!!

The honourable guest is trying to reinvent the wheel. Same old paradox of separating meaning from the word. It is a pure domain of science now and for which we are struggling to find appropriate language and laws. Thanks for good work Closer To Truth Team.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

I don't understand what you are saying but I am grateful You are here Brother.

@sustainabilityaxis

10 күн бұрын

I simply meant sometimes you need to say you don't know@@sven888

I feel this subject matter is far beneath you. thank you for your many great discussions.

First provide actual evidence that such a thing as a "soul" exists, then move on to whether it survives the death of the body. The question as posed is like asking whether Bigfoot can be 8 ft tall or whether unicorns have pink tails.

@NotSoGullible

11 күн бұрын

The word soul can also refer to a person or a person's emotional state, such as being a kind hearted soul. It is not always used as meaning something supernatural.

@coachafella

11 күн бұрын

@@NotSoGullible Yes, those are alternative meanings but not in the context of persisting after death which is of an entity separate from the physical body.

@NotSoGullible

11 күн бұрын

@@coachafella what happens after death is debatable, but the word definitely represents the person or is the person, whether there is life after death or not.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

You are seeing thing the other way around (which is natural as it was designed this way). Absolute truth is quite simple really. All complexity not only emerged from the initial singularity but IS the initial singularity. Hence the teachings of Jesus which center around Love.

@coachafella

11 күн бұрын

@@NotSoGullible There is no person nor a "soul". There is an illusion of a self, but that is an emergent phenomena that evaporates at death. But even before death the self and our perception of a self can be eroded, specifically by changes to the physical brain. The idea of a persistent soul is just a myth we dreamt up in an attempt to soothe our fear and despair about our own death and the deaths of those we care about. Enjoy the perceptions we have while we live. It's all we have and all there is.

Life is Eternal, the Day-Consciousness is our window to Reality, Day-Consciousness Never sleep, just goes in Circuits, Day/Night and Larger, so, there is No 'after-Life'.

I contend that you can indeed tell from the outside that every functioning human has a self. Being a philosophical zombie would not work since there would be no one inside to understand or think. It's the same reason why general AI doesn't work.

In my view, the self is merely the sum and the expression of its own contents, that are biological information (instincts) and acquired information (experiences, beliefs, cultural/family conditioning, traumas and so on). The self is a cognitive container of information stored in the brain as a material phenomenon. We also call this ``personality``. The mind instead is something else. The problem is that the mind is constantly influenced and conditioned by the self. If one masters the skill to become aware of this, he or she can significantly free themselves from their own conditioning.

He feels very self-satisfied with his answers hahah.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

We all do don't we?

@kierenmoore3236

10 күн бұрын

Copium. Homeboy is very much on the wrong side of 70 … … …

@benny-schmidt

10 күн бұрын

Because he articulates flawlessly like a GPT

@michaelluhrmann6628

10 күн бұрын

No, this guy is great and he knows what he is talking about and his thoughts are like a knife!🙃

@Gen_66

10 күн бұрын

Hhahaa smug af😂

There's no death, only for the observers of what is happening to our bodies. We were all once nuclei, excited within the realm of a star that went supernova. As well do not forget that the earth is accelerating us upward to catch us into it when we fall. These are truths, so i tell you this that there's no death, not in the regard of what your expecting it to be. If what your expecting is nothingness you'll not even be aware of in the first place i mean.

What is a soul?

Moreland regarding split-brain cases: "The fact, then, that there is this further question about how many people are there - is there one or two - shows that questions about persons can't be reduced to questions about brains." What? To me it shows exactly the opposite.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

Are you saying we are one yet different for good reason?

Q: Does the Soul have an afterlife? A: After and before are all Self; Self is deathless, eternal and everlasting.

@makeracistsafraidagain

11 күн бұрын

We’re trying to present the evidence for our beliefs here.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

@@makeracistsafraidagain Truth is Self-evident. Besides. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. - 1 Corinthians 13:13 NIV. PS: would love to have a beer with you and some good laughs. We are all brothers here. Cheers.

The question assumes a Soul.

@richardatkinson4710

11 күн бұрын

It’s just another word for mind/spirit/awareness/self…

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

There is only one soul. Type in this exact sentence with quotation marks in google. The truth will set you free.

@kendrickjahn1261

10 күн бұрын

I always find that fascinating, too. People never think to question the very thing they're claiming at the beginning of their premises. They begin as if it's self-evident. It isn't, but somehow their brains are convinced that it's real. I've spoken to people who simply cannot believe that it's any other way, or the souls must exist. But then, when you question that, they are left with an empty sack, begging the question, and falling into circular reasoning.

@mimetype

10 күн бұрын

@@kendrickjahn1261 Exactly! Elves lives are made a misery by ill fitting shoes, the shoe industry point blank refuses to address this issue for purely financial reasons. Greed causes limping agony!

@mugsofmirth8101

10 күн бұрын

@@mimetype the question is aimed at J.P. Moreland who doesn't deny the existence of a soul to begin with. Thus, the question is not unjustifiably presumptive as you so desperately wish it to be.

😳….great interview & discussion. I have the 2 most important questions though regarding this topic - even though there are some very interesting (even astonishing) comments contributed so far to this vid - I’m enjoying (and sometimes rolling my eyes) at many of the comments & responses….😳….good grief some people just get so pissed off - which seems totally unnecessary. For me, what animates humans seems different than what animates animals, insects, trees/plants, etc. 1) Why is it that humans are apparently the only species on earth who can even debate this question of whether or not there is a “soul” within each of us and what is the nature of it? 2) Why is it that humans apparently are the only species that can design buildings, build cities, create music, organize institutions of higher learning, conduct science, produce art, engineer weapons of war and mass destruction?….and so much more, compared to any other life form on earth? 🤔….the nature of the human “soul” may hold the answers to those questions.

@obiwanduglobi6359

10 күн бұрын

The answer to both of your questions is: Evolution. Btw: Termites create highly complex, air-conditionned cities. And if you listen closely, you can even hear the nightingale performing it's symphony.

@Farsider3955

10 күн бұрын

@@obiwanduglobi6359 - Perhaps. Micro or macro evo? And yes, termites have even been kind enough to provide my Filipino wife’s relatives’ home in the province with “Aircon” (as they call it), and no electric power is required, so that’s pretty cool. And when the nightingales break out of their same ‘ol same ‘ol performance rut and create some new material - maybe post some KZreads - announce concert tours and sell tickets, I think we’ll be astonished at their rising popularity. 🤔….but wait….they’re not self-aware (as far as we know) - don’t even know of their mortality and inevitable doom, so they probably don’t give a sh!t about their “music” - they just want to find a mate a get it on. They really can’t help themselves.

@obiwanduglobi6359

10 күн бұрын

@@Farsider3955 The distinction between micro- and macroevolution seems to be important only for creationists? Please prove: Nightingales have no self-awareness.

Gnosticism has been around since time began. Humankind has been deceived into thinking they have more knowledge than God for a very long time

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

Gnosticism means understanding that we are one so not sure if I get your drift. But I love your drift regardless brother. I am grateful you are here.

Depending of what you mean as soul 😊

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

Exactly. There is only one soul hence the eternal life!

@makeracistsafraidagain

11 күн бұрын

@@sven888 Huh? That’s not an explanation.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

@@makeracistsafraidagain Yes it is. E is X so not to be alone. Genesis 2:18 my dear ONE. It's all about LOVE as Jesus says in the NT.

Robert sometimes I think all my best friends like you and Cosmin and Leo and my Mom are just the people in my mind.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

The mind sees differentiation whereas truth is one. However. The purpose why one limits itself as life is love.

Yes when u die in dark souls you are reborn as an undead

Why do information based systems seem to always spontaneously generate phenomenon analogous to to cognitive systems? I think if we answer quations like this we can begin to better speculate the nature of human cognition.

Nonsense, he gave zero reasoning, beyond speculation, to conclude that a soul exists. He is simply a Christian apologist who really wants there to be a soul...

@andreasplosky8516

11 күн бұрын

Amen to that. The foolishness of these theistic fantasists is easily exposed.

@michaelbell3181

11 күн бұрын

exactly

@NotSoGullible

11 күн бұрын

The word soul has many different meanings. It's use doesn't always mean that it's something supernatural.

@michaelbell3181

11 күн бұрын

@@NotSoGullible Okay, define it.

@NotSoGullible

11 күн бұрын

@@michaelbell3181 Soul can also mean or refer to the person or the emotional make-up of a person, such as referring to a person as being a kind hearted soul.

This is an evolution from the genius interrogator and researcher of physics, Professor Khune, to the wonderland of the afterlife. It is said that in ancient Egypt, only the wisest and intelligent people spent their entire lives seeking knowledge of the afterlife. We see the depictions of what their scholars hypothesized in the dank and dusky hidden tombs in the infamous Valley of the Kings in the mountains and deserts of Egypt. We call the seed of our existence a soul and like the soles of our feet, it walks with us all the way through whatever amount of time the fates have allowed us till the last breath we take and the infamous 'death rattle' announcing its departure for its next mission in the known universe.

Nothing can be said about after death that about soul in new life. But it seems to me that consciousness is soul and after death consciousness or so called soul has no role to play means dies with body disintegration means absolute death.

Does a what have a what?

Is there is a line of souls somewhere waiting to enter an embryo? Do they have to apply for a particular type of life form or gender? I can imagine one being told - No, last time you lived as a German you did a very bad thing, this time you are going as a Jew so you can experience the other side.

Very glib. States of consciousness are not analogous to phases of water - they are nit exclusive. We continuously perceive, introspect, will…

@rosamorales729

10 күн бұрын

He didn’t say it’s analogous to phases of water. He pointed out how water can exist in different states as an example of how other things can exist in different states. That’s not an analogy.

@richardatkinson4710

10 күн бұрын

@@rosamorales729 It is.

He lost me the moment he said “it isn’t a scientific question”… ALL questions are scientific as science is simply a rigorous methodology of gaining knowledge and not a domain.

@charleseeckert2464

7 күн бұрын

As he said “alot of people including yourself are followers of scientism.” Your not open minded to anything else outside your scientific worldview. Science is not equipped with the tools to prove God’s existence.

In which part of the body does the soul exist?

@sentientflower7891

11 күн бұрын

The little toe, which one is a great theological debate.

@sujok-acupuncture9246

11 күн бұрын

The whole body.

@sentientflower7891

11 күн бұрын

@@sujok-acupuncture9246 how is that possible? Amputation happens.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

It's the other way around really. There is only one Soul or one Self which limits itself as the body so not to be by itself. The purpose of life is love. Cheers brother. Next time around I will buy you a beer.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

@@sujok-acupuncture9246 I love your body.

...Hello I would like to post a thought. Both of you two gentlemen are special. Well educated and life experiences. When either one of you, including myself pass on, that which makes each of us lay in a casket, only are body Is there. The wonderful Essence which makes each and everyone has moved on into Eternity. No Past, Present, or Future. Our accumulated knowledge, gifts, and other talents are not wasted. We will reside with one another, sharing our combined life gifts and talents with helping each of our brothers and sisters in GOD'S Garden. With all the best of our knowledge helping one another. Absolute True Truth, Peace, & Joy in the Presence of GOD, respectfully, Chuck...captivus brevis...you tube...Blessings...my Brothers...

The operating.system(software) of a computer is non-physical whereas the computer hardware is physical. The human soul though has an added built in capability of self-directing itself in governing the brain which projects mind and behaviour. Quran assigns the central role to soul-with a built in self directing capacity--in governing behaviour and it is the soul which departs the body (see chapter 89 “The Dawn”) retaining full knowledge of all its deeds performed in the world and shall be reunited with the body on the Day of Resurrection (see chapter 81 “The overthrowing”).

Do we have a soul?

Fact of the matter my friend, is that this presenter selected this man over dozens of others w better arguments, just to push his own bias. Even the question itself is loaded. We know this presenter is biased. Let me help you w some better researchers : Kenneth Ring, Sharon Cooper, Jim Tucker, Ian Stevenson, Jeffrey Kripal, Diana Pasulka, Garry Nolan, Joseph Burkes, and so many more which acknowledge that whatever it means to be human, goes beyond the meat and bones suit. Get your biased labels out the way and just explore the data.

(2:15) The definition of consciousness is 'ostentive' monstration? What about Demosthenes' "Action! Action! Action!", action is the total opposite of ostensive

We are made from the same stuff that makes the stars etc, with one striking difference. Stars, planets, even gases are around for millions or hundreds of millions and billions of years, but we wee mortals live approx 100 years if we are lucky. The way round this is you give a physical body a soul and when that physical body expires, the soul leaves and goes in search of a new ?being among the approx 2 trillion galaxies in our universe. So we do have a similar life span as the stars etc, except ours come in 100 year instalments and are spread across the vastness of an enigmatic universe.

I dont want there to be anything after death. But, I'm inclined towards Buddhism, and Buddhism believes in reincarnation into different forms. Perhaps there is unconsciousness, just as there is under anesthesia? But unconsciousness doesn't imply a total ending, unless someone can prove otherwise.

Do other animals besides humans all so have souls .because they all so have self awareness?

@philochristos

10 күн бұрын

J.P. Moreland has said in other places that he believes all conscious animals have souls. He thinks souls are necessary for consciousness.

What an erudite concrete analogies he uses. No wishy wash talk. In my youth, I would have said, "he took your counters and smoked them in his pipe". Descartes had it backwards! I AM, THERFORE I THINK

some people have nothing to do so they create these videos , just listen to it but don't process it

Since energy cannot be created or destroyed, then our energy cannot be destroyed but transformed into whatever. It's a similar concept to the many worlds theory or cyclical universe theory. There is no new energy being created or destroyed for the many worlds or cyclical universe. The unendingness is disturbing.

@sven888

9 күн бұрын

You know it. Shakti is Shiva and Shiva is Shakti.

To say that the very definition of consciousness has to be onsetensive is as arbitrary as the rest of truth. It's literally the trying to draw consciousness out of a set theory.

we know we are not even close to solving a scientific issue when there are dozens of divergent strongly held convoluted and untestable explanations (for consciousness in this case).

@sven888

9 күн бұрын

And herein lies the Truth. The reason of all difference... of different opinions is... well... please read between the lines of genesis two eighteen.

No bias, please.

No

I suspect that a baby kangaroo does not have an afterlife

It is ADORABLE to see religious people justify their idiocy!

@TheWeslej

8 күн бұрын

Ok. What's your explanation of consciousness? I promise not to call it "adorable," though I might if it justifies your own precious view of reality.

@corytracy8993

8 күн бұрын

@@TheWeslej Consciousness is just the accumulated actions of neurons and chemicals, simple machinery, no ghost in the machine.

@extract8058

8 күн бұрын

@@corytracy8993 Cute answer. Not that there's any truth in it

By such descriptions even animals ad all life should have a soul. What consciousness is does not come out clearly.i find it very difficult to understand what soul is

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

9 күн бұрын

'Self', 'consciousness', 'soul' and 'gods' are, like 'time', metaphoric products of the human thinking process and this is why science has insurmountable trouble preparing slides of them for microscopic examination. lol

Hi don't see how you can come too that conclusion. Consciousness is by product of evolution were souls are a man made construct.

Case closed.

A simple mind I think

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIBl0aauprS4YJs.htmlfeature=shared Case of remote consciousness after the patient's brain and heart had stopped functioning.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

You know it brother.

0:22 Deflected by taking a jab at science, then goes on to talk about obsolete neo-scholastic metaphysics.

No closer to truth.

Souls exist cuz I really want them to please God Allah buudah etc plz souls plz exist if no soul I just can't and cannot without a soul and etc

Unable to decide definitely at this time. Both sides fall short.

@ElephantWhisperer222

11 күн бұрын

Bingo

@makeracistsafraidagain

11 күн бұрын

I don’t have to prove a negative. If someone says that we possess a soul… THEY have to do the proving.

@ElephantWhisperer222

11 күн бұрын

@@makeracistsafraidagain Typical Biden voter :/

@obiwanduglobi6359

10 күн бұрын

Perhaps for you. But only because the answer given by science doesn't suit you?

If you're thinking that your soul is an invisible ghost that lives in your body and can leave it after death with your personal consciousness intact-- there is no such thing.

@TheWeslej

8 күн бұрын

Well documented NDE's would seem to say otherwise. Regardless, I'm curious about how you justify your certitude, or is it only religious people who have to be humble in claims?

@jeromehorwitz2460

8 күн бұрын

@@TheWeslej There are no "documented" NDEs-- only anecdotes, the same "evidence" presented by true believers in extraterrestrial aliens, Bigfoot, astrology and seances.

@jeromehorwitz2460

2 күн бұрын

@@TheWeslej There are no well documented NDEs, only anecdotes, myths, fantasies and accounts of dreams. If your mind could actually leave your body and still see, hear and think, you could design an experiment to prove it, but you can't. And you can't explain how anyone could see, hear or think without eyes, ears or a brain.

These dualists sure do get good at semantics in explaining any plausibility of a soul. If anyone wants to listen to a serious thinker, I recommend Daniel Dennett. May he rest in peace.

@philochristos

10 күн бұрын

Did he die?

@toni6379

10 күн бұрын

Dennett is not a serious thinker. He is dead. And his serious thoughts during his lifetime didn’t amount to much.

@kendrickjahn1261

10 күн бұрын

@toni6379 whatever blows your hair back.

@TheWeslej

8 күн бұрын

I recommend Donald Hoffman.

Yet another expert

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. There’s ZERO evidence of souls. It’s childish, wishful thinking of people afraid to die and think they have a special path in the universe. You have to have failed epistemology in order to even entertain the idea.

@nicholash8021

11 күн бұрын

Are all th4e NDEs ZERO evidence?

@TrivoMarjanovic

10 күн бұрын

@@nicholash8021 are your dreams real. did you fly at night or visited your dead grandma. No.

@obiwanduglobi6359

10 күн бұрын

@@nicholash8021 They are just evidence for our brain going crazy when it's set under extreme stress. Nobody ever came back. Incidentally, the resurrection story is missing in the oldest artefacts of the Gospel of Mark. The story ends before the empty tomb. Interesting, isn't it?

@nicholash8021

10 күн бұрын

@@TrivoMarjanovic It doesn't explain the how those who left their body in a surgery room and described things that they saw in other rooms and out of sight. One of my closest friends is a heart surgeon who has seen this a few times. One of his stories includes a Muslim man who met Jesus and instantly converted upon coming back to life.

@enriquea.fonolla4495

10 күн бұрын

@@nicholash8021 YES. You can trigger NDE like experiences by touching the brain with electric stimulation. You can also trigger NDE - like experiences by consuming certain drugs. You can trigger NDE-like experiences by doing meditation. Its all in your brain!

There is no soul,there is no afterlife.....a wishfull figment of the imaginations of people who can not face the reality of death and their ultimate oblivion....a lack of courage.....

@TheWeslej

8 күн бұрын

How can you state this conclusively? Have you solved this age-old conundrum on your own? Do tell!

Since the "soul" needs a living body -- then NO. When a body dies, the soul (the living conscious personality) vanishes. Nothing could be simpler. 😮

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

Exactly. Simple means One. Hence why death does not exist.

@nuquenilex3188

11 күн бұрын

who says the soul needs a body?

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

Because it is not good to be alone! Genesis 2 18.

@obiwanduglobi6359

10 күн бұрын

@@sven888 Respect for your openness. The whole discussion wouldn't take place if there was no religion.

@mugsofmirth8101

10 күн бұрын

That's like saying water needs a container, therefore water doesn't exist. lmao

Everyone reading this. Soul is production of belief about gods, it has nothing to do with brain or human body.

@caricue

10 күн бұрын

What you are saying is technically correct, but he did switch between "soul" and "self" as he explained his ideas. This is the "hard problem" of consciousness; how do you get subjective experience from matter? His answer is that there is something extra that is not physical. This is not a scientific position since it cannot be tested or falsified, but then so are every other explanation of consciousness. I personally believe that the self is physical, and so are thoughts, feelings and perceptions, but I cannot demonstrate this scientifically, and neither can anyone else.

@mugsofmirth8101

10 күн бұрын

False. Belief about gods and the existence of souls are not mutually inclusive.

NDE research is showing that consciousness can exist outside the body and without it having a beating heart.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

That's true because cosmic consciousness limits itself (as the bodymind complex) so not to be itself. Cheers brother.

@Dawg476

11 күн бұрын

NDE’s are nothing more than hallucinations, if you actually read the studies 50% of those who experience NDE’s aren’t actually in imminent danger or near death. Plus Buddhism is very common have NDE’s of their gods yet Christians also see Jesus, Native American Religions see their “spirits”, Hindu’s see their gods as well it all depends on your religion which means all cannot be true. I’ve done Ketamine for Depression and can say that my experience felt as real as reality but I know it for what it is hallucinations. It has to do with areas of the brain that are deprived of oxygen. Read upon the science before you claim NDE’s are god bc that’s the way to the actual truth.

@kierenmoore3236

10 күн бұрын

Lol, what absolute BS. 😅

@sven888

10 күн бұрын

@@kierenmoore3236 kzread.info/dash/bejne/a5V41paokaTLhbg.html

@sven888

10 күн бұрын

@@kierenmoore3236 We've been waiting for you. And we'll be here for you when you are ready. Unconditionally.

Life and death do not exist

He makes some solid arguments but I'm automatically skeptical of anyone so sure of themselves.

@Greg-xs5py

10 күн бұрын

He does not strike me as "so sure of himself", he is quite measured. He'll say things like "if I'm correct, then..."

@mugsofmirth8101

10 күн бұрын

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical but letting confidence be your barometer for how skeptical you should be makes as much sense as trusting a bus driver who isn't sure which pedal is the brake and which is the accelerator.

@bryanhaney7930

10 күн бұрын

​@@mugsofmirth8101 Eh... I don't think Andrew is making a claim as to the absolute correctness of the pedal choice. It's a vibe. Homeboy has an "I'm correct about everything I'm saying" vibe that comes across in the tone of voice, the constant nodding, the eyebrows, the mouth shapes, etc. Even it were a topic I had no knowledge of, I would be skeptical of a teacher commenting in such ways.

@tomjackson7755

9 күн бұрын

@@bryanhaney7930 It is the first rule of apologetics. When you start shoveling the BS say it with complete confidence and conviction. See WLC for a perfect example.

@wickedcoolname399

9 күн бұрын

How many selves?

Yes, and will go to heaven to meet God.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

You are it brother. You are it. Tat Tvam Asi.

Would love to hear a comprehensive discussion between Moreland and Sheldrake.

Consciousness is purely a biological thing. You die consciousness dies. Humans are animals, don't forget that. Conversationa like this won't take us any where.

@TheWeslej

8 күн бұрын

I'm interested in your proof that consciousness is a "biological thing." This is precisely the problem. You've not addressed it at all.

@macho8330

8 күн бұрын

@@TheWeslej Let's think it in this way. Take a wolfpack for example, there's an alpha wolf and others follow, the wolves know how to cooperate, hunt and socialize, produce offsprings, are they conscious? I think it would be arrogant to say they are not, maybe you can say have a lower level of consciouness compare to modern humans, but homo sapiens were more or less at the same level a million year ago. So, the question, if wolves have consciousness, do wolves have an afterlife? Now I'm willing to believe there is, for everyone. But we just cannot accept there's nothing after death. And we believe there's an after life full of humans, no wolves.

@TheWeslej

8 күн бұрын

@@macho8330 Who says there is no afterlife for wolves? Not me! Again, you haven't addressed the hard problem of consciousness, and yet you confidently claim that it's a "biological thing." On what basis?

@macho8330

8 күн бұрын

@@TheWeslej Of course you didn't say it, that would make you look stupid, but also you didn't say wolves have an afterlife, that's enough. BTW you obviously didn't realize consciousness is strictly based on memory capacity, when you lose memory you lose consciousness. And you propose an afterlife you retain memories so you know you are you, where is this fantasy came from? If you don't know how memory and brain functions you can wiki and learn. In which form the memories and cognitive function remains after death? For now it is arrogance plus fantacy, what else?

A soul... no such thing.

@patriciacurtis1882

3 күн бұрын

Yeah right

Ask Jiddu Krishnamurti. He knows the answer. 😅❤

Maybe our true substance is spirit and all of matter that we perceive through our minds (spirit) is an illusion created by God's mind.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

Exactly. And the purpose of God? Love!

@obiwanduglobi6359

10 күн бұрын

@@sven888 Then explain theodicy from this point of view? Wars, the Holocaust, cancer in children, natural disasters, social injustice: all out of love? C'mon...

@markreed2563

10 күн бұрын

@@obiwanduglobi6359The world is a temporary fallen world according to Bible

@obiwanduglobi6359

10 күн бұрын

@@markreed2563 Then, God is a sadist? Why does he let his own creation suffer when he could simply end it once and for all?

@sven888

10 күн бұрын

@@obiwanduglobi6359 I can explain it but there's no need to accept it. After all we are different by design for good reason. Let's leave God out of it and try something else. Cosmology. The Big Bang was not only born out of the Initial Singularity; the Big Bang 'is' the Initial Singularity. What it means is that all fluctuations are the Initial Singularity and vice verse. Waves are many but they are all the same Ocean. What it comes down to is that we (the One) has conceived itself to perceive itself as different in Life so not to be alone. The problem with this veiling business is that it creates a lot of suffering as you point out. But the joy of companionship far outnumbers the suffering. We (the One) can minimize suffering when we embrace the Truth about who we are and why we are. As long as we don't understand our reason of being and think we are completely divided or separate we will not know peace. Peace comes through Self-recognition. Jesus tried to explain this. Many other Saints and Sages did too. It's difficult to explain it to people who have never stood still and thought about it. But once you get it... you really get it. Any other questions please ask. I learned a lot by studying physics, cosmology and biology. Also through contemplation and reading. Wishing you an easy going rest of your week. Appreciate you are here brother. Thank you.

No. Consciousness and life are two different things. Life is a complex of physical processes, which end with death. Whether consciousness persists (I believe it is indestructible) is a different issue.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

You are very correct but since the body and mind complex is in reality cosmic consciousness there is no death. This is perhaps the message that Jesus tried to explain but so few understood. But again. You have come further than most people will do in their life times.

"Soul" is an informal term for mind, personality or sense of self. It doesn't refer to a single, cohesive entity but rather a broad, diffuse process, like using the word "heart" to stand for emotions. One's identity is part of a network of relationships that involves all of biology , chemistry and ultimately all energy in the universe, it doesn't go anywhere after death because it is not confined to a single body in the first place. Just as the speed of a car cannot go forth once the car is disassembled, your soul disappears when your body disintegrates. People naturally want to live forever, but you are not even the same person you were in the first grade. That person is long gone, though you may have access to a few fleeting memories of him-- and it's pointless to ask where he is now. Basically, there is simply nothing to worry about, because you yourself are the eternal energy of the universe.

@realitycheck1231

9 күн бұрын

If we are the eternal energy of the Universe, where does our eternal energy go after death? Energy cannot be destroyed.

@jeromehorwitz2460

9 күн бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 Energy continues in other forms. The idea that you are a unique person with an individual identity and a mind separate from others is really an illusion. You share your mind with every other living being and with every process in the universe. You are as continuous with the universe as a wave is continuous with the ocean. You are what the universe is doing at this time and place. But just as waves come and go while the ocean remains, the particular pattern of vibrations you identify as your "self" are just merely temporary. Evolution has programmed you to want to continue as an ego, so death seems like a loss, but when you are dead you do not say to yourself, "I am aware of being dead." We can not experience the state of being dead because consciousness requires a functioning nervous system. The world at large is my unconscious mind and it continues after my death, though the feeling of being "me" becomes as irrelevant as it was before I was born. You soul is just a mask or megaphone through which reality projects itself. It sounds off through multiple masks, playing various roles like an actor, but the underlying reality is always thee same. What you think of as "you" is just a way for the eternal energy of to experience a life-or-death adventure, as in a dream or virtual reality game.

@realitycheck1231

9 күн бұрын

​@@jeromehorwitz2460 Energy is neither created or destroyed. When you imply that when we die we become energy, what type of energy? Pure energy? Did "we" come from the One source of energy? I can't even call it One source because it's really splintered into the material/physical. Apparently it seems that it will never be One source. One source implies wholeness, but It's splintered, and will keep splintering, never really becoming One. Maybe life is an adventure for some people, but I can't claim that's true for the whole world.

@jeromehorwitz2460

9 күн бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 We don't "become" energy when we die, we ARE energy right now. A living body is not a fixed thing, but a flowing event, like a flame or a whirlpool. You are an action that the universe is doing at this time in this place, and when you die the universe will continue doing other things that do not involve the particular thoughts that you currently identify as your "self." This is apparently a subtlety that is difficult to grasp for people with a habit of thinking of themselves as an entity with an inherent identity. You're more like an image on a TV screen, made of pixels that change color to create new patterns. You are not even the same person you were in the first grade-- what happened to that person? He/she no longer exists even though the energy that flowed through him/her is still making other forms, cycles and vibrations. Imagine a character in a play-- where does he go when the actor stops playing him and goes on to other roles? We are like megaphones through which the universe speaks, or like the waves on water which appear to be separate things but are only the actions of the sea. Don't cling to yourself or chase after the vain illusion of immortality, an actor does not play the same role forever.

@jeromehorwitz2460

9 күн бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 Life as a human is an adventure because the stakes are high-- you can be happy or miserable or in the worst agony and despair depending on how you play the game. That is not so for stars, for whom it doesn't matter how things work out. If the ride gets too intense or painful for you, you can always awaken from the dream and realize that after all you are God and always were, so nothing really matters. Existence is just a game of hide and seek with your real identity, forgetting and then rediscovering who you really are over and over.

Please, for the love of God - get a new title writer. Seriously.

@sujok-acupuncture9246

9 күн бұрын

Your comment comes most closer to truth.

The integral blending of the evolving cognitive sciences and emerging contemplative sciences will usher in newly heightened consciousness.

Do ants go to school ?

@ianwaltham1854

10 күн бұрын

Kind of. Apparently ants teach other ants how to find food. What does that have to do with souls?

@ianwaltham1854

9 күн бұрын

@@tedgrant2 I guess he did but that doesn't answer my question.

@tedgrant2

8 күн бұрын

@@ianwaltham1854 Do computers ever get angry ?

@ianwaltham1854

8 күн бұрын

@@tedgrant2 You're a very silly man.

@tedgrant2

7 күн бұрын

@@ianwaltham1854 According to the Catholic Church, a soul is created at conception. At death, the soul has to wait until Jesus returns. At which point it will be judged.

This guy is so damn smart. He knows and understands everything. It's all solved, no need to question anything anymore. 😂

@ProLaytonxPhoenix

3 күн бұрын

If he was saying things you agreed with, you wouldn't be so sarcastic.

He lost me at "scientism". Science is not dogma.

@markreed2563

11 күн бұрын

Materialism can be a form of dogma

@ngcastronerd4791

11 күн бұрын

@@markreed2563 ok well science has very little to say on that as the nature of consciouness has yet to be explained. So why bring that up? The appologist said 'scientism'.

@sven888

11 күн бұрын

Science meant Jnana just a few centuries ago. People are too caught up in fragmentary seeing whereas all is one and the same. So you are right.

@mugsofmirth8101

10 күн бұрын

@@ngcastronerd4791 Learn the difference between science and scientism. You're embarrassing yourself.

@ngcastronerd4791

10 күн бұрын

@@mugsofmirth8101 i know the difference. Its why I pointed it out in the first place.

A discussion based on nonsense

@rosamorales729

10 күн бұрын

Like your comment?

@Kopernikan

10 күн бұрын

@@rosamorales729 - haha - a comment is not a discussion

@rosamorales729

10 күн бұрын

@@Kopernikan your comment is not a discussion, but it is nonsense.

@Kopernikan

10 күн бұрын

@@rosamorales729 - point me to a compelling argument of Plantinga’s. He’s absurdly overrated. Example: this long, utterly vacuous talk. The average HS teacher can do as well or better - kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmyfmLJ9iNWTZ84.htmlsi=pDep5vzBl7m4emSy

@tomjackson7755

9 күн бұрын

@@rosamorales729 He's not wrong. Almost all of philosophy is nonsense piled on nonsense. It is why religions live there.

Perhaps a better question: Is Death the seperation of the Soul (Life Force) from the Body?

@garychartrand7378

9 күн бұрын

You can only refer to death of the physical. Spiritual death is non existent and impossible

@johnnytass2111

9 күн бұрын

@@garychartrand7378 Is Death the moment the life force ceases existing in the physical body?

@garychartrand7378

9 күн бұрын

@@johnnytass2111 from an earthly point of view it seems obvious. It is the temporary made up Ego that "dies" when the physical brain ceases. However, the life force is eternal.

@sven888

9 күн бұрын

At any moment; everything is one. So there cannot be any death. Maybe Jesus realized the same?

Scientisms (Philosophies (...Theory, Practice and Development....) of Science) Scientologies (further ...Study, Research and Development.... of Science) What integrally greater ...sense, science, and salience.... may come as our technologically interconnecting advance ventures into what is ...true, truth, and more truthful....?

What is a "soul?" An obstruct, that’s all. Ask the medical community; no doctor has ever seen a "soul" among other organs of human body. Kapish?

@sven888

9 күн бұрын

There is only one Soul. Most of us call it the Universe.

@arkdark5554

8 күн бұрын

@@sven888 True.

@covid19alpha2variantturboc7

8 күн бұрын

@@arkdark5554 "the medical community" ah yes the same "experts" that make money on people's suffering by giving them toxic drugs.