K answered at the beginning in a single line "Sir why do you compare"...rest is the expansion of that one line... ❤️

@agbcompanies1370

2 жыл бұрын

in that first statement itself the discussion was completely over and explanation of everything was given. The buddhist monk could not understand that his knowledge is the knowledge of scriptures. One becomes a buddha by abondaning the boat. K has abandoned it but still the monk has not. that is the difference between and enlightened person and the one who is not.

@guruvengat

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously it will be nerve wracking to go and compare the teaching to JK 😃.

@ThePhoenixTube007

2 жыл бұрын

Throughout life, from children, from school until we die, they educate us by comparing ourselves with others; However when I compare myself to another I destroy myself Jk

@dembo1981

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhoenixTube007 no destroy. There is nothing to destroy if you see the real falseness of comparing. By comparing you accumulate some illusionary image, ideas that you call self. If there is something to destroy then one still conditioned and holds some "self" image, which he fears might be affected by comparison.

@manjunathwarrior1767

2 жыл бұрын

I choked myslef there. The processing level of information j sir had ❤️❤️

it gives me childlike joy to see learned people having a civilized exchange of ideas instead of a mud slinging match which has taken over lot of the debates we see today

@SrijanPaulsatya

Жыл бұрын

This debate had no point, the guy started just to prove his knowledge(to test himself, how far has he come)

Aftet 9 years of listening, I understood for the first time what it means to look without the word.

@ravi.tiwari.

2 жыл бұрын

I think the process of understanding is a progress because we don't have time to think clearly & slowly. To understand instantly you have to be aware and only listen with your whole being. That's when the conflict will gone.

@rockyrai7314

2 жыл бұрын

After listening him for more than a year I understand about observer is observed

@saileshkumar9277

Жыл бұрын

@@ravi.tiwari. its actually quite simple if you live with only fact you will understand just by once....i understood what jk was trying to convey by watching this lecture once...you just have to stick or live with the facts and see the fact then you will not caught in thought which is time

@lazinho91

Жыл бұрын

Im sorry sir, but when you say u undertood in 9 years u didn`t understand , also u included time in your answer which is exactly the oposite .respect

@Buddhamind11

Жыл бұрын

@@rockyrai7314the one who says he understands, most certainly does not - Lao tzu

The subtitles are invaluable because of the low volume. Many thanks to any that took the time to write them out.

@samarth796

6 ай бұрын

absolutely. Invaluable work.

Jk is just incredible.... absolute shatterer of it all... cuts through everything ! wow...what a human..I don't have the words.... beyond. so glad he existed and all this was recorded.

@gc7304

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same

@LeejieLextar

3 жыл бұрын

Ye I am very grateful for the recordings of him, and everything else.

@ramangottumukkala7371

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely I agree with your views !

@danielt.4330

2 жыл бұрын

He really cut through all the nonsense ... he wasn't deluded by tradition, doctrines, authorities, etc. Also, I really like how at 30:10, you can see how he's so calm even when he first thought that the woman disagreed with him, and he takes the time to ask, "Agree or disagree?" and then hears her more clearly. I think he was a very aware individual.

@ritesharora6032

2 жыл бұрын

listening to him is like listening to upnishads speaking

What a wonderful person is he, Jiddu! Extraordinarily and exceptionally wisdom having person in our present centuries!

I absolutely love this discussion. I've watched everything I can find by J Krishnamurti for years but when I came across this I was captivated. To listen to these three talk, such a deep discussion. I need to work harder to find people who will have these types of conversations with me without falling back on their own conditioning immediately and getting defensive.

@rajpurohitashok9197

6 ай бұрын

Hello I also listen these talk

@nitishgautam5728

5 ай бұрын

Study psychology, philosophy, mind theories , about consciousness, then you can consider yourself qualified to debate with someone on such subtle topic .

@alexsipieikin5072

5 ай бұрын

You do not understand, you must STOP letting other ideas in, and understand reality how only YOU,as a sum of your ideas, can understand it.

@karenann5090

5 ай бұрын

I have studied K’s teachings for 44 years. I read others and I always come back to him. His way is so simple and straightforward and for me, rings true.

Appreciation to the souls who gave rise to this talk and used words so elegantly to communicate about nameless things ❤

eternally grateful for making this recording available. I love the back and forth of a discussion. one of the best JK videos

"My point is, there is no duality even in daily life. It is the invention of all these philosophers, intellectuals, who say THERE is the opposite, work for that."

The entire thing K wants to tell is in the last 5 mins & to arrive there, he took 1.5 hrs . This is what guru does , shows the path ,leaves u there to explore

Such an amazing exchange thanks to the participants and to JK's subtle approach and deepening. What a sharp mind.

the words of krishnaji are facts.his voice,words is the reflection of an empty mind.his mind is the truth.we all have that.alas we are going far away from that.🙏🙏🙏

It’s wonderful they came forth to share their perspectives openly. It’s stimulating. One can see the different vibrations that souls have. We expound what we are vibrationally. They are quite different vibrations.

@kanumurisivasatish9295

2 жыл бұрын

You believe in soul concept?

Holymoly jk, I lost my sleep with this discussion . The ending is jus fabbbbbbb. Bull's eye . Amazing

Wow this was quite a conversation, I struggled understanding it at the start but after a while I was astounded. It really sort of feels that JK is talking about unlearning all the sort of conditioning we use and the fact that we try to use past memories to see the fact and how silly it really is, when you can actually just see the fact without the need of the knowledge. Very wise man, the fact that you can learn so much from unlearning

BRILLIANT BRILLIANT BRILLIANT ❤️❤️❤️ thank you for posting this exquisite recording 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

Θυμάμαι όταν είδα το πρώτο του βίντεο, σε ηλικία 20 ετών, θυμάμαι είχα μείνει άφωνος καθώς διάβαζα την μετάφραση, ήθελα να ακούω και να ακούω!! Ήταν όλα τόσο σωστά και απλά τα όσα έλεγε που Παρακολουθούσα με τόσο προσοχή όσο ποτέ ξανά στην ζωή μου με κανέναν άνθρωπο, κατάλαβα πως αυτός ο δάσκαλος αυτός ο Ανθρωπος είναι ότι καλύτερο έχουμε για να αλλάξουμε τον κόσμο μας.😊

I listened to this discussion in a dream. I was sleeping, and spent much of the dream trying to turn the volume down whilst at the same time being captivated. I had the odd impression that I knew this person.

Is freedom limited by knowledge? Puff my mind goes crazy with this question 👏 So powerful.

This is one of the best discussions I watched.

The discussion is simply superb!

What an amazing debate. So respectful of each other and have clear points.

Gents, what we witnessed here is something incredible. A relationship established between a philosophic mind & a religious mind. Religious , not in the orthodox sense but a mind which has supreme intelligence- K A scholar who has been steeped in traditions - process based meditation, following precepts, fasting etc has his darkness dispelled by K . Wow

These discussions are LIFE-CHANGING!

@manumaster1990

3 жыл бұрын

@@sowenb6182 there is no "how".

@karanjyotsingh25

3 жыл бұрын

@@manumaster1990 loooooiol

@barrybergisch1

2 жыл бұрын

chill out

@richashrivastava3762

2 жыл бұрын

absolutely agree

Man far far ahead of time !

I love that. He was saying there is no “non- greed, non-violence, etc. there is only greed, and violence. We are all greedy and violent. But we can’t do anything unless we accept the fact that we are always these things. You can deal with things that exist, but you can’t try to obtain non-existence.

@roshanpradhan12

3 жыл бұрын

There is no need to accept the facts. U see the facts and remain with it and observe the whole movement/ structure of it ,the very observation is complete comprehension or understanding of it which dissolves it.

@mmccrownus2406

3 жыл бұрын

Aristotle would say it is wise and appropriate to seek wealth in the right way for the right cause to the right degree. Violence is appropriate in certain circumstances, in the right way to the right degree, etc. Much more useful approach.

@user-nf4qd8wr1u

2 жыл бұрын

YESS

@TheNate206

2 жыл бұрын

But we are not ALWAYS these things. I am not ALWAYS violent but I can be. I am NOT just fear, greeed, lust, anger, etc.

@mikefoster5277

2 жыл бұрын

@@mmccrownus2406 The problem is, of course, there might be no agreement (even within oneself, never mind amongst a crowd) as to what exactly constitutes 'the right way' or 'the right cause' or 'the right degree'. In which case, who decides?

Mi piace il modo di rapportarsi tra loro, c è questo rispetto, e sensibilità nelle domande e nelle risposte, abbiamo solo da imparare a conversare in modo così educato

38:44.. My notes 39:30 Q. How is human being to break this pattern without time? 1:08 Q.is courage the opposite of fear? 1:09 Therefore freedom is the opposite of my conditioning Q. Is there an opposite? 1:07 1:28 Which implies time,progress, practice, trying, becoming, duality, all rest

@sabvrao

Жыл бұрын

Just a suggestion : try listening without even taking any notes… just 💯 listen … there is a certain meditative energy because of the truth and purity in what he says and him …

@krox477

Жыл бұрын

Why are you taking notes they're conditioning you

Invaluable masterpiece 💎 thanks for sharing 🙏

Buddhist scholars represent our own mentality of knowledge, conditioning of mind, belief in gradual progress and not letting go it.

They have learned many things to dissolve, to control, to understand the ego. But they didn't know those are the creation of a new ego in just a good form.

Simply superb! Real explanation of non-duality. A discussion not a debate.

its so amazing to listen to

JK is Extraordinary ..Thanks to KZread and this channel for bringing this across to us . Greatly indebted..

"To look at facts, time is not necessary. Therefore, since it's not necessary, I can see it now. You can see it now...Why don't you?"

@AmanSingh-em4zt

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha.. Please give the time stamp.

@FairfieldCircuitry

3 жыл бұрын

@@AmanSingh-em4zt 1:23:30

@badmamjamma

2 жыл бұрын

True. Quite a mic drop

"May I say sir with all due respect why you compare?" BOOM Mic drop

@mirceaharjau

2 жыл бұрын

Ahahahahahaahah

"Probably you know Dr Bohm and myself so we don't need any introduction" Best introduction ever

Thank you for this upload ❤️

mind shattering

The Buddhist man wasn’t in the now. But, thanks to him as much as I thank JK, I see.

@philipjohnson3298

2 жыл бұрын

Neither is JK in the now.

@skyhigh2118

2 жыл бұрын

@@philipjohnson3298 and you definitely aren't. Everyone is a youtube Swamy these days. :'D

@dhruprava8704

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

So, it is impressive such beautiful people exists in this world. Thank you UK ,india ,sri lanka and the world. Mr.J Krishamurthi feels me wonderful human being. grate discussion.

wow. what a depth of a discussion and the points made by k. I dont know how many people atleast tried to understand the depth of the concept as explained by k. It looked like the buddhist monk and others are trying to defend themselves rather than trying to understand the depth of the matter explained by K. it shows that the only person who has "abandoned the boat" is krishna ji. All others are carrying their boats with them. Even the buddhist monk is carrying the boat whereas he is the one to be expected to abandoned the boat. That is the essence of the buddha's teachings. Krishna ji is talking the next and improved version of the buddha's teaching but all the others sitting are sitting as just conditioned beings. May be this is what the buddha meant when he said by taking some leaves in the forest, "I can teach you this much which is in my hand of leaves and i can teach you the whole forest. But it is rare to find a person who can understand". Here Krishna ji looks like the next version of buddha and beyond buddha and trying to explain things but it is rare to find people who can understand him.

Blissed out every moment of my life

i am watching this lecture for the first time and i am so glad that i am not heavily conditioned so i understood every line of it.. the fact...just always stay with the fact live with what is just see the fact without being caught in time its so easy so simple...because of people are so much conditioned they just find it hard to live with the fact the truth

It's so true - how not having fear doesn't amount to courage. Courage is not the opposite of fear at all. If it was born out of fear, then it would have had an element of fear. If I "try" to be courageous to avoid my fear, neither my fear is gone and nor is it the manifestation of true courage, it's just running away from my fear. Like he said about freedom from conditioning. To come out of that conditioning is simply a reaction to my conditioning. Also, K just discreted Gandhi and all his talk about non - violence. XD Such an extraordinary thinker. The fact is - we are all violent. All this talk about non violence is thus non sense indeed. To see the fact and not run away from it towards the non fact because the society condemns it, is to see it actually, not in the sense of that word with it's cultural, political or past meanings. But the true nature of that feeling without the burden of it. And once we see it, it is finished because we become the observer.

Thank you very much indeed!

Very Profound for me was when K Quotes " Am I alright sir ? " And Dr Bohm says "Fine"😀

Totally fascinating!

Estos diálogos me recordaron el libro de Krishnamurti La Pregunta Imposible.

Insight into these discussions might solve the cause of all the conflicts in mankind.

This is so cool. Their dialogue is so fun!

Sir jk is a knife , cutting through our falsehood to actually see...fact...that seeing itself is freedom. Great sir. Difference between knowledge to knowing is what he is pointing to . From swapnilS Mumbai .

Thank you sr

Thanks for this video❤️🙏

Thankyou very much for this 🌻

I'm loving this!

Thank You !

This was great on many levels..

great discussion

He is easy to understand for only meditative people who are quite and know the value of silence.else it’s mind cracking 😁

Muchas gracias por compartir y por habilitar los subtítulos en español.

Thanks for sharing this invaluable video❤

Thank you

That last 5 minutes he made everybody shut down that nobody can ask any question than listening to the speaker carefully.....trust me I never said this in any KZread comment..."It's an honour seeing this video"

wonderfull

Excellent discussions! The way the other renowed scholars, especially the Bhuddhist scholar, were responding to the tetchy perspectives of JK are an epitome of cool and calm responses!

The discussion is between a conditioned mind and a unconditioned mind, thats why both can't merge.

@FelippeMedeiros

5 жыл бұрын

and there's why one brings compassion

@noone5461

4 жыл бұрын

who is a conditioned mind?

@andreyvaleroso

4 жыл бұрын

Labeling is a conditioned mind

@mp2426

4 жыл бұрын

Jk is not conditioned

@WickedG5150

3 жыл бұрын

Lol. Which is which?

Buddhist Scholar experiences presence of Buddha in JK. the whole conversation was like a discussion between Guru & Disciple.

What a finishing by jk , look his eyes there is sharp laser 🔥

for the search of truth...thanks a lot

Thx for the video 🙏

*Someone give this man a medal.* He is too intelligent that my brain hurts.

@sabvrao

Жыл бұрын

Thing is : he wouldn’t care for the world’s medal…. He would care if we gleaned something from him, and go away work on ourselves with serious commitment… Actually, I’ve also been thinking since yesterday that, if anyone deserved a global recognition ( like Nobel prize) it would be JK! Then I came to above thought on what would have mattered to him… 🙂🙏

@amitasthana

9 ай бұрын

His wisdom is the Gold medal / Nobel prize which anyone of us can get. We can work on ourselves and if someone is really interested in finding themselves they should once try to Vipassana meditation. I am following Ks teaching from almost 10 years and Vipassana is practical implementation of his teachings coming straight fron buddha's times.

Beautiful video 😍

thank you jiddu and jiddu original official channel

I can see how a philosphical mind is struggling and in state of hopelessness.

I was impressed with how open the zen practioner was to the ideas, especially in comparison to the theravadan monk.

@timothyblazer1749

2 жыл бұрын

Theravada essentially fetishizes the sutras as as a practice. Zen fetishizes practice itself. In Zen, it's about what you do more than any other sect. So I understand why. In Zen there is recognition that the spiritual game is just a game. It doesn't take itself too seriously. In other sects this is not so clear. I feel that if they had talked about practice, she would have had more disagreement. 😄

@badmamjamma

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothyblazer1749 that's super interesting. And I bet you're right about if the conversation had gone further, or if it were just her and JK. Helpful information you gave in the comparison between theravada and zen.

Jk is direct seeing.. without baggage of history...seeing or witnessing...in other words...you can see or witness only when you drop the baggage of past and future and just be here...but other dignitaries are still caught in their strong baggage of patterns knowledge and can't break or drop whole...jk was truely transformative here now...🙏🙏🙏🙏 SwapnilS mumbai

The accumulation of experience and information is of the past whereas Imagination, vitality, purpose, and focus is always of the present creatively shaping and reshaping the future anew. Here, one neither rejects nor accepts experience. but rather, If useful, build on it or otherwise cast it away as irrelevant and craft something completely new. It is not from a problematic, but rather from a joyful foundation that humanity will extricate itself from the mess we are in today and remain sustainably relevant for generations to come. Our standardized education, built on an industrial and now tech conformance platform was never designed for the task and neither was Disneyland.

@saketsagar2156

2 жыл бұрын

Nicely put

Este hombre (ajeno a todo calificativo) fue capaz de comprender la conducta humana y aquello q nos hace humanos con más rigurosidad q los *expertos* psiquiatras, psicoterapeutas, neurólogos, etc. Comprendió el cambio como algo ajeno al lenguaje y al tiempo.

@vaniavilmasilveriodealmeid3264

3 жыл бұрын

Como es una persona identificada con el dinero? Seria apegada, que quiere dinerl a cualquier custo aunque perjudicando a los demás?

Thanks! 😍

Love you K sir. ❤❤❤

beautiful sir

I feel sorry for the Buddhist monk sitting there and all his ideas and illusions gathered painfully over several years just being crushed and dissolved by the sheer presence of master K 🙏

@suzanne9215

2 жыл бұрын

Why sorry , it is his fortune to learn

@timothyblazer1749

2 жыл бұрын

This is a teacher. He's engaging in pure dialectic.

@kamaurahamukti5919

2 жыл бұрын

yes, I see it the same, filled with compassion for the Buddhist monk and with joyful gratitude for Krishnamurti, and that we may listen to him 🙏🏽

@cantontentigers

2 жыл бұрын

Don't feel sorry,we are all in the same shit,nobody knows till our last breath.

@mowsie2k492

Жыл бұрын

The Buddhist didn’t stop disagreeing and spouting his own rhetoric the entire time. He learned nothing in any of these discussions and I’m guessing died clutching his beliefs as though they would save him.

Superb JK 🙏

If you see through buddha it’s buddha…if you see from any religion it’s the same you will see sir…but j Krishnamurthy sir is different don’t compare 😊

It is called "shastrath" we can say and we people are lucky to have this conversation

just wow ❤❤

Terimakasih 🙏🙏

This discussion demonstrates clearly the frustration of the speaker (K). His relentless efforts to convince us of the limitations of any methodology! This has always been the main core of his message. His explanations about the (misleading)forces within the field of time and knowlegde. That they are grossly underestimated by us and keep us aloof from realization. Not that knowledge doesn't count! But realization is not to be known as an accomplishment or to be found at the end of any number or behind a specific sign or symbol. The journey to our authentic self begins with knowledge indeed....but realization cannot be framed nor prescribed in stories, theories or evangelism. There is a thin line between "mindfulness" and "un-knowing". We should learn to be aware of it. Naturally. K, inimitable in his way of teaching, demonstrates this passionately and clearly! The way we should look at the paradox on knowledge is poetically written in The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran : "And how shall you rise beyond your days and nights unless you break the chains which you at the dawn of your understanding have fastened around your noon hour..?"

Thank you for having subtitles in English so I understand everything.

@Noname2004kurdish

3 жыл бұрын

Theyre speaking english

@elenol1310

3 жыл бұрын

@@Noname2004kurdish yep, but its the indian accent that is a bit misleading

@Noname2004kurdish

3 жыл бұрын

@@elenol1310 still english

@ameremortal

6 ай бұрын

The subtitles were very well written. Kudos to the person who did them.

The most patient person and attentive person in world award goes to J.K sir for listening to this guy for a single question which goes beyond fifteen minute's 😂. This guy reads all book in world and asks question as if no one will allow him to ask questions again forever 😂

After 45 yr we are capable to understand what he was saying. Thanks to internet, i can pause video and try to understand with enquiring.

This is awesome

Fantastic

Amazing

Deep! ❤️

Conversation shows That is the difference between living Buddha(today's Buddha J.Krishnamurti) & bookish student of dead Mahatma Buddha after he leaves his body.many students only misinterpret because of only getting knowledge accumulation,not realising that fact by experiencing it ownself.

@kanumurisivasatish9295

2 жыл бұрын

You are also comparing and conditioning

Great...sadhu sadhu 🙏🙏🙏

K : Then why don't you see that? Monk : That is another question. I love how K. knows that the Monk has no real experience of anything, he has just collected some words. K intelligently makes the Monk realize that he is stupid in accumulating what he had accumulated. Love k.