I didn’t notice if you said it during the copy portion, but if Ivy has mutated, and isn’t the top creature, the she’s no longer legendary. You can copy her all you want.

@AnimalTTC

Жыл бұрын

I had a question in the same vein. If you mutate on top of Ivy does her ability still work since it says "Ivy" specifically. Since it's no longer Ivy but the creature that's on top wouldn't the ability no longer trigger?

@jonart8433

Жыл бұрын

@@AnimalTTC a mutate stack is every card on the stack.

@ImTheMrFoxman

Жыл бұрын

@@AnimalTTC the named "Ivy" in the card effect really just means "this card/object". So her ability does still trigger if you mutate over her.

Two cards I think this deck makes very good use of: Khalni Garden. Gives you a creature to target and doesn’t take a card slot in your deck. Enter the Unknown. Potentially draw two cards or put a +1/+1 counter on two creatures and get to play two additional lands? Seems like everything this deck wants to be doing

Incredible video Although long, definitely worth it, you took the time to explain the mechanics of mutate and interacting with Ivy! Appreciate your effort into the video 🎉🎉🎉

Mutating onto a animated land does 1 of 2 things. If you put the mutate on bottom, the land will gain the abilities. If you put the mutate on top, it will stay a creature and be a mana dork.

@vex_mtg

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clarification. I'm guess if you mutate on top, the land can still "animate" and gain those abilities and the power and toughness.

@ANitschkeProduction

Жыл бұрын

@@vex_mtg right. The only thing I think that may be irrelevant is that it says "it is still a land" since it's no longer a land and the ability isn't turing it into a land. But I could be wrong. 🤷‍♂️

Another wild point is if Ivy's mutate copy is on the stack amd she's removed from the battlefield, the copy resolves onto the original creature, giving you more triggers

Late to the party here, but a correction needs to be made. You say that Ivy can copy any single creature target spell, even if it targets a land and a creature (5:02), but that's not correct. The spell must target ONLY a single creature. If it targets anything else, it's not a valid spell for Ivy to copy. It's the same as the rulings for Muck Drubb.

I build ivy too It is insanely fun! You have so many directions to go with this deck

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Ivy is one of my favorite commanders in years. I know you aren't playing Adrix and Nev in your list but I have them in mine and I learned something today: A and N don't copy tokens that are copies of auras entering attached to Ivy. Basically, the token auras aren't "created"; they just come into play. It's similar in a way to how creatures that enter "tapped and attacking" don't trigger "attack triggers." Adrix is still okay in the deck since it will copy Rite of Rep tokens, and Duplimancy tokens.

Would you make an updates version of this? alot of nice copy spells have come out since then.

Great video, it was really helpful seeing the deck’s lines of play played out. What are your thoughts on using single target bounce spells like Geistwave and Run Away Together as modal removal and protection for your creatures?

this helped a lot, thanks so much!

just a heads up, yavimaya druid puts a forest on the battlefield under an opponents control.

Nice deck. Subscribed

I just keep thinking of cards for this deck. Unsubstantiate. Can stop an opponents creature or spell. But you can also use it to return your original mutate stack to your hand and start it over again. Seems really good

@vex_mtg

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, Unsubstantiate would work really well in the deck. I have Slip out the Back for that slot to protect the mutate stack, might need both in the deck.

Simic as we know it :D it is a little more vulnerable than other decks which is why I believe it can be lots of fun. Also: ive wanted to make mutate work in edh and thats a really interesting way!

@stalkerstomper3304

Жыл бұрын

There's a ton of ways to make mutate work I'm Commander, and it's actually VERY strong in the right builds. I've built several mutate decks, and they always go off in some silly overwhelming way, AND they're great budget builds!

@vex_mtg

Жыл бұрын

Green does have all of those protection spells to help you out. Mutate with Ivy is incredible. You could go copy route too to make even more Ivys!!

you can play bestow creature too. cast it as an aura and you get the copy aura when the creature leaves play, you get a free bestow creature as a beater

@vex_mtg

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I thought about bestow too, but wanted to focus on mutate, however bestow is even more powerful than I initially thought, thanks for the heads up.

I’m currently building this deck because it looks fun. I’m worried about win cons. It’s not really voltron, because ivy wont get that strong. you can get good value and draw a bunch of cards but how do you close out the game? Rite of replication is the only finisher type of card I see.

@h_walko513

9 ай бұрын

Corrupted conscience can be a game changer because it steals a creature and gives it infect but will also give your ivy(s) infect as well and with ivy having flying you can start dishing up huge infect damage quickly so that’s a win. Plus there is other big enchantments like eldrazi conscription and collosification.

I am confused with Ivy and mutate. If we copy a mutate unto Ivy, lets say a Gemrazer, and we put Ivy under creating a Gemrazer with Ivy's effect, won't it stop us from copying future spells? Ivy specifies that the copy must targets Ivy, but its no longer an Ivy, its a Gemrazer now... help me understand please

@vex_mtg

Жыл бұрын

When the textbox says Ivy, it really means "this creature". So Ivy's ability will still work with Gemrazer above it.

I am new to magic, be gentle. Someone please help. I thought her ability is when the spell is cast? Is that not playing a card? I thought mutate abilities have to be paid for which would happen after it's cast?

@666stryder666

Жыл бұрын

The mutate ability is stated as an alternative casting cost.

@Diablomaster91

Жыл бұрын

Mutate is like an alternate cost, read the ability text again, it’ll make sense. It is probably magics most complicated mechanic… at least top 3

@vex_mtg

Жыл бұрын

Mutate is an alternate way to cast the spell, so you would be casting the spell for its Mutate cost instead of its regular cost.

Ivy is a part of the 99 in my Illuna mutate deck

@vex_mtg

7 ай бұрын

She is a sweet card!

I love Mutate, but 12 cards is not enough to base the deck around. You're just not gonna see them enough...

I love this deck, and then immediately scoweld when I saw it was over $400. Yeah, simic can have lots of answers to things...those answers are just $15 a card =/ But thats not on you, great deck tech!

@MushieDude

Жыл бұрын

A few swaps and you can make this deck very budget friendly. All the mutate creatures are cheap and there is a ton of copy cards out there.

Can Ivy steal a spell from "Creature A" if "Creature A" is only targeting "Creature A?" Or does "Creature A" have to target a "Creature B?" For example: when "Creature A" enters the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on "Creature A" would work on Ivy?

@vex_mtg

Жыл бұрын

I believe you are confusing enters the battlefield effects with cast effects, Ivy only copies spells on the stack. And that spell would have to have a single creature target that is not Ivy.

I'm pretty sure when you copy a mutate stack then the new copied stack also gets all its mutate triggers again. (Yes it resets to zero, but the stack entering counts as mutating I believe)

@vex_mtg

Жыл бұрын

I'm not totally sure on the re-trigger mutate when copying a stack, but that would be cool if it worked that way. I'm leaning towards probably no though.

I like the build but it's sort of annoying when people tsk every other word they say.. yeah just tsk like tsk dont keep tsking when you are talking.. it makes tsk listing very much tsk trigger my tsk OC tsk D!