If anyone other than Berube is hired as head coach, I'm screaming into a pillow and staying like that all season...

@Spanishflea.

17 күн бұрын

Same my dude :(

@RukaRadebe

17 күн бұрын

Even if Cooper becomes available from Tampa?

@Tickleyourpickle420

16 күн бұрын

What about Mike Sullivan? Girard Galllant? There are good coaches avaliable

@pa-mo

16 күн бұрын

He's probably my first choice too, but there's other good coaches out there. Lots of teams are firing good coaches. The problem is, those same teams will be competing for good coaches too. I suspect the reason a deal with Berube wasn't done is because HE is waiting to see what teams end up with an opening in the off-season. Ottawa may not be his (or anyone's) #1 choice after seeing what happened this year. I'll cry too though, if we don't get a Stanley Cup-winning coach that can lead this generation of young players.

@UncleAnaesthesia

16 күн бұрын

@@RukaRadebe Several things would have to happen in order for Cooper to be Senators coach, namely him wanting to be in a small Canadian market after no state tax Florida. Makes more sense to go after a guy who still needs a job. @HollyJollyTeemo: Gallant is my second pick.

Thanks for giving our horrendous team some attention. I still believe 😢

@curefied

6 күн бұрын

we need to see 7 in the playoffs.

Get a goalie that can have over a .900 save percentage, a defensive dman on the right side, and Berube

@people3865

17 күн бұрын

50% of teams want that. Every Leafs fan says the same thing constantly, but it never happens because it's so difficult to find

@yoholmes273

17 күн бұрын

Everyone in NJ is saying the exact same thing

@f.n04

16 күн бұрын

Not much more Korpi could have done behind this defence and structure

@eliaminator2313

16 күн бұрын

@f.n04 at certain points he let in a lot of wristers from wide and along the blue line with no screen

@f.n04

16 күн бұрын

@@eliaminator2313 I agree he could have been better, but everyone could and should have been better. I don’t agree with the fan base placing the blame for the season on him though when we have the defensive structure and awareness of a peewee team

Sens contract situation still looks like a EAs NHL Franchise mode; "EliteMed Potential" > 8 Year extension, itll work out; well except Korpisalo, that was just a bad decision.

Making Korpisaelo a starter was their biggest mistake. He can be a decent back up playing 20 or 30 games, but not a starter.

@UncleAnaesthesia

17 күн бұрын

@@HaydenCharette-mr5ul Anton Forsberg had one decent season as a pending UFA three years ago. Let's not turn him into something he's clearly not- a starter.

@goenzoy712

17 күн бұрын

Afraid Sens problem is bigger then goalie position. But true Korpisalo is at best a 1b

@mjk06

16 күн бұрын

@@UncleAnaesthesia Tbf I didn't see the part where the poster said Forsberg should be the starter.

@pa-mo

16 күн бұрын

Agree, but if the Sens trade either goalie, I can guarantee you they have a career year, being #1 in the league for awhile wherever they go. It keeps happening with ex-Sens tenders.

One of the hardest seasons I’ve had to watch

A no-nonsense coach will turn this team around quickly.

@richardbrock8139

4 күн бұрын

This aged poorly

I dont think the Sens were as bad as their record.. If you look at their centers they are all young and the goalies didn't do them any favors this season... I think they can right this ship.

The highlight of their season was an empty net goal. Bless 'em.

@lawyerd16

17 күн бұрын

There were a few solid wins (esp over some East Coast rivals) but that one was pretty fun. 😂

@SceptileSlash

7 күн бұрын

Yeah, let's just ignore Stutzle batting a puck out of midair for the OT winner.

Great video!

The team surged last season because they were playing the systemless DJ Smith style they were used too. When the second half of this season came around, they had a coach come in and basically have to teach them the basics again. Thats why there was no late season surge this year. They went back to teaching structured hockey and the players were learning a whole new system on the fly. Something our very young team had never experienced before as DJ was the only coach most of them knew. A full summer with a systems coach like Berube or a Hakstol (or if a Cooper, Sullivan, Brind Amour gets let go) will get this team back. The core is there. They just need to tinker with the depth. Get a good veteran 2 way bottom 6 forward to replace Kubalik. Replace Chychrun with a top 4RHD and find a 3rd pair RHD to replace Brannstrom. Then obviously goaltending is the biggest issue. Korpi isn't movable right now, you hope a new defensive system will help him out. As for Forsberg, I think he has value to a team as a good veteran backup, and will likely be moved. Then you search UFA and the trade market for a 1A option. (Ullmark the obvious target but a lot of teams will be in on him.)

Without a goalie you can add whoever you want. East is too good.

They need to fix the structure and the culture and a good coach will help with that

Bad coaching got them into this mess, hopefully not too far gone for good coaching to fix it.

My optimism continues. The Senators are a very young team and these young players will inevitably get better. It's likely the Senators will get more points next season even if they make no changes because they will all be one year older. Of course there will be changes but lets hope the organization doesn't panic and trade the wrong people.

@OttawaRocks

14 күн бұрын

If there is one thing I am optimistic about it is that the new era of Andlauer-Staios are unlikely to panic, and will take their time to build the team slowly with carefully thought out moves.

acquire one or two veteran defensemen? Pesce from Carolina? others?

As a defenseman, his job is defense. Goals and points are only a bonus. Sanderson defense is above average. He is already worth his value.

@OttawaRocks

14 күн бұрын

100%.

Trade Norris when he shows a semblance of health

@pa-mo

16 күн бұрын

agree, but no one is giving a bag of pucks for him until he proves he can stay healthy, at which point we should consider keeping him!

Can’t wait for him to get to the Wings, though they will be last non playoff team covered

Sens fan here, this wasn’t a year I was expecting playoffs but I was hoping for it to at least be close. But man was this team a disappointment. In my mind hope is gone and while I’ll still support, they are going to have to come out of the gates swinging in order to pull back fans hope. We have seen big offseason moves, we’ve had a change in leadership and it doesn’t seem to have worked. The only way they are getting fans back on board right now is by playing great hockey in the first few months of the next season and not deciding that they’ll win games after Christmas

I'm curious what Sens fans think of Brady as a captain. From the outside he seems too easy to neutralize at times by getting him riled up off the puck. Not saying it'd be like the Bruins giving Marchand the C back when he was licking guys, but he lives on the edge and I could see where it might annoy some fans while others love the passion.

@lawyerd16

17 күн бұрын

I think he’s a better captain than he gets credit for, but Giroux emerged as the veteran leader of the team. Lots of fans appreciate him being on the team, and he’s been pretty clutch. IMO Sanderson is the best rising star, with the possible exception of Stützle.

@abbatoirnoises

17 күн бұрын

@@lawyerd16 Giroux definitely feels like the guy leveling the ship even if he doesn't have a C. I would've thought Chabot was a lock a couple years ago before they picked Brady, is he not a very vocal leader?

@lawyerd16

17 күн бұрын

@@abbatoirnoises it’s hard to say but it wouldn’t seem so. Some fans are iffy on Chabot because he sometimes seems to play slow/lazy in his zone, but I think he’s got high-end talent and just needs an extended period of healthy play to keep working on his fundamentals. He’s had some standout games when Sanderson was injured, just needs to be consistent.

@pa-mo

16 күн бұрын

Most fans love Brady. His emotion gets him every now and then, but not that often, so it's not a big issue. It also works the other way when his emotion carries the team. A lot of the Sens players have zero passion and grit, so seeing him battle hard pretty much every night is greatly appreciated by most fans.

@abbatoirnoises

16 күн бұрын

@@pa-mo I can definitely see that. I think from the outside it seems like it could be distracting, but if they were winning games and he did the same thing he'd be getting praise for it. Double-edged sword with passionate guys.

They could bet on the young players developing.

There's hope for the Senators. Last year they had top 10 PP & PK, but somehow with basically the same players those were lousy this year. Last year players like Stutzle and Sanderson made huge steps forward, this season Sanderson kept improving, but Stutzle took a big step back, hopefully he can take a step forward again. The Norris injury has been a nightmare. Pinto and Greig look to be players. I think the team will get better, with experience and if they just work on things with the right coaches, but the only way they can possibly get into the playoffs is if they fix the make-up of the team. They need to bring in a #1 goalie, a RHD, some bigger/grittier (hard to play against) players , some more defensive-minded players, and some more veterans to help stabilize things and guide the young guys. It's a tall order with the contracts / cap situation.

@aralornwolf3140

15 күн бұрын

Yeah... Last season, the PP bailed Ottawa out. This season, it just wasn't clicking. However, what's concerning to me is the absolutely horrendous Western road trips. This season they were 1-14-1 when on the road vs the West. Last season, they had similar numbers. They just _can't_ win when they aren't playing in the Eastern Time Zone, lol. Against the Metro, Ottawa went 12-12 (evenly split home/away). Against the Atlantic... Ottawa had an amazing road record; 9-3-1. Home record was 6-6-1... so not horrible. It's these road trips that Ottawa seems to not win on... same thing for the last few years. Once Ottawa can finally win on the road is when Ottawa finally makes it into the playoffs.

Theyre in a tough division

I think the most important thing Shannon wants us to understand from this video is that nothing will surprise him.

They need to change the culture DJ smith built I think Martin did a good job of it and a good coach next season will hopefully get them on the right track

Norris, Chabot and others missed games. Stutzle played injured Etc. Goaltending was 100% the issue

If they can't move Korpisalo then move Forsberg for a vet goalie like Markstrom.Markstrom was a good starter so split the games like 35 for Markstrom and 47 or less for Korpisalo. The reason the defence was lacking this season was the only good right shot they had was Zub.If Zub was hurt then Ottawa had a hard time. I proposed Jusso Valimaki,Sean Durzi and Liam OBrien,plus a first for Chychrun,Hamonic,JBD and Kubalik.I thought Connor Ingram as well for Forsberg,but if you can't move Korpisalo then a better backup is needed. That's 2 right shot developed d men.Then move Brannstrom and Oskar Petterson for a vet left shot d man.A third pairing to second pairing vet.Edmundson is one,a big player.

Get Stamkos.

@muzikgod

17 күн бұрын

I'd take him on a 3-year deal, but I don't think they can afford his salary. I have a feeling he'll resign and end his career with TB.

Welcome your new head coach, Sheldon Keefe.

@lawyerd16

17 күн бұрын

Lmao don’t even 😂

@helpmeplease402

17 күн бұрын

He's going to Pittsburgh

Mitch Marrner for Jakob Chychrun plus others (prospects, picks, maybe Claude). At this point the Sens need a good regular season and getting into the playoffs and I believe Marner would help them accomplish such a task. Once they are there, all bets are off.

@Spanishflea.

17 күн бұрын

I hate that I agree with this.

@kerstinover4536

17 күн бұрын

I really don’t like Marner. He’s a whiner. Please no.

@jacobdill4499

16 күн бұрын

Can they get Nylander instead?

@marcelleclair4452

7 күн бұрын

Marner is too expensive

I think Martin was brought in to clean up the locker room. I also think that new ownership means a learning curve

i wanna like the sens

I think this roster is definitely due for a bounce back next season. But without any big changes, that bounce won't be enough to take them over the playoff line

Hire a coach and make minor changes to see what they have and need. Fans should be patient with new ownership.

Unless you win top 2 in draft I'd trade pick (might need sweetner) and try and get Saros

Ullmark will help a team get some where next season...

Stützle played with an injured shoulder and wrist all year still pretty impressive.

@CB-ob5vh

17 күн бұрын

Yea Stueztle is incredible. He even stopped diving as much and improved his reputation.

@HarryRiceHockey

17 күн бұрын

@@CB-ob5vh No he did not buddy lmao

@mjk06

16 күн бұрын

Probably hurt his shoulder/wrist diving every game.

Every year, I think maybe this is the year they get back to being a bubble team with a chance to squeak in and every year the wheels come off. I completely agree that the Ottawa salaries look like a playoff team, without having even seen the playoffs (other than Tkachuk there to cheer on his brother). Other than a rink closer to Ottawa, all they need is goalies to stop the puck once in a while and a couple of the right kind of veterans. Not veterans who have just lost a lot of games and chipped in a few points, but players who can set an example for the younger players and know what it takes to win. Given the lack of cap space and expiring UFA contracts that might be a all order. Hockey Canada has clearly let the NHL down in its failure to produce and support the production of the next generation of Canadian star goalies with the lackluster crop we have these days.

The Korpisalo contract looked horrible as soon as it was signed. They just got out from under the Matt Murray contract (sort of) and then they sign another stinker! So frustrating...

I think Ottawa has a bright future. They were giant killers when I watched them.

@diggsfather

16 күн бұрын

they've strangely been Maple Leaf killers and Bruin killers in recent years. a shame they can't beat any other team at all

@rkaylor5769

16 күн бұрын

@@diggsfather I dunno, they had Tampa’s number. I see a lot of potential with Ottawa.

@jaredhoimyr5511

16 күн бұрын

They had a 700 record vs the Atlantic they had a 300 record vs the west

I love Norris but I think we have to think about seriously moving him even if we get pennies on the dollar. Maybe some team would be willing to take the risks but having his deal + Chych off the books would free up 12.5M$ and we'd have 25M$ to spend in FA. Between Norris and Chabot being VERY injury prone, that's 16M$ of cap that barely plays for us.

Last season with DeBrincat.... The senators are a team that makes fun to watch! For all Stützle and Tkachuk can bring a lot of emotions and greatest hockey on the world ice. They need a few more good adds and then a good start in the season...

The damage the PD and EM did to this team will take years to recover from.

add the right three or four players and they become contenders

Dorion LIED to Vegas. Which is kinda dumb. Part of trades should involve looking at the contract? Stupid situation.

@diggsfather

16 күн бұрын

the fact that Vegas traded a guy with a NTC, blamed Ottawa for it, and it actually worked is ridiculous

@pythagorasabc

Күн бұрын

​@diggsfather it's a modified NTC. You submit the teams you don't want to be traded to by a deadline, if you miss the deadline you can be traded anywhere. OTT lied and said he submitted his list late. The list and whether it was turned in on time is not part of the contract paperwork.

Last season, the PP bailed Ottawa out. This season, it just wasn't clicking. However, what's concerning to me is the absolutely horrendous Western road trips. This season they were 1-14-1 when on the road vs the West. Last season, they had similar numbers. They just can't win when they aren't playing in the Eastern Time Zone, lol. Against the Metro, Ottawa went 12-12 (evenly split home/away). Against the Atlantic... Ottawa had an amazing road record; 9-3-1. Home record was 6-6-1... so not horrible. It's these road trips that Ottawa seems to not win on... same thing for the last few years. Once Ottawa can finally win on the road is when Ottawa finally makes it into the playoffs.

Doesn’t Detroit have the option to not give them the Bruins 1st this year and give them theirs next year?

The stat that says it all is 26th in goals against, just imagine where they would stand if the they were 18th in goals against and goals for! In my opinion the NHL has become a higher payed Major Junior A league where the focus is Offence! When Scottie Bowman entered the NHL, Toe Blake told him “these players know how to score what you have to teach them is defensive play”. That’s defensive TEAM play….the highlight clips full of defenders out of position or if not playing the puck not man, forwards watching the play rather than Backchecking! Stop giving out the Norris trophy to the defence man with the most points!

Ottawa swept the Habs and finished 2 points ahead of them for worse lottery odds. Huehuehue

What's worse? Being a Sens fan or a Leafs fan?

@JPMadden

17 күн бұрын

I'm neither, but I would guess Leafs.

@EvanMacLeanHockey

17 күн бұрын

Leafs 100

@petemcfeet28

17 күн бұрын

Leafs fans are worse. When Sens fans have a decent playoff team to cheer for they wait until the team makes it into a conference final before thinking that maybe, just maybe, there is a chance at that cup. If the Leafs win 3 in a row in November, their fans start planning The Stanley Cup Championship Parade and start saving up for their ridiculously priced playoff tickets.

@Spanishflea.

17 күн бұрын

Leafs 100%

@JPMadden

17 күн бұрын

@@petemcfeet28 The question was which fanbase suffers more, not which one is more annoying to others.

Run it back , the boys are growing

@hern77hockey

17 күн бұрын

I do believe a better option is goal is needed though

@bathwatercod5206

17 күн бұрын

growing? they showed mad regression.

@Silica_Packer

16 күн бұрын

Stop enabling their incompetence!

@hern77hockey

16 күн бұрын

The boys are still boys . I think with growth from within they are gunna get to the playoffs . Love Sanderson already and he’s just getting started

Autopsy time of the season

Giroux F*cked up so bad by going to Ottawa. Especially considering his choices were literally: Florida Panthers, Colorado Avalanche, NY Rangers

@toddbosomworth3635

16 күн бұрын

He moved HOME

Genuinely, DJ should have been gone last summer. It was obvious, and I think if they had done that like i suggested at the time the season would have been better.

rebound next season

Their goaltending is a big problem, and goalies are a hot commodity in the NHL. If I were their GM, I would have to take a risk on an unproven or cheaper goalie I can afford and expect some progress from all the young guys.

I'm still not expecting anything for another 2 years tbh

Buffalo getting in next year

They can hire Evason.

Are they gonna have to rebuild a rebuild? Seems to me that’s the territory they’re in what with the issues on the blue line and in net with a couple of bad contracts thrown in.

@PeterDrake

17 күн бұрын

Seems like every goalie looks a lot better once they leave Ottawa. So maybe it was the lack of team structure and crappy goalie coaching. They've replaced the goalie coach and identified a need for more structure and more veterans who can play with structure. So they _might_ not need to get a new goalie. But they do need a good solid veteran RD. And one or two veteran forwards for the bottom six. So something between tweaking and retooling.

i dont feel bad "edit"since the most vocal "edit" sens fans talk alot of shit despite not achieving anything in the past 7 years

@Kmartsmart

17 күн бұрын

A lot of them are nice chill people tho

@PeterDrake

17 күн бұрын

There are idiots in every fanbase, but most Sens fans are generally pretty level-headed. Among the fans I know, the debate last summer was whether or not the Sens would make the playoffs. Not whether or not they'd win the cup. Adding Chychrun, a healthy Norris, and Korpisalo seemed like net improvements so expecting them to go up from 86 points wasn't crazy. But DJ did whatever he did. Pinto got suspended. Pierre decided Tarasenko was what they needed instead of a RD, and then got fired. The lesson I take away from the last few years is that they weren't identifying needs and filling them. They were just trying to add "good players". It's almost like the GM was more concerned with looking good to the owner in the short term with splashy signings or trades, and less focused on building a foundation for long-term success.

@mr.ilikespam6081

17 күн бұрын

@@Kmartsmart i forget to add the most vocal sens fans in my comment

@lawyerd16

17 күн бұрын

To be fair, a lot of rival team’s fans can be kind of haughty and look down on Ottawa just because they’re a smaller market and fan base. Then they get their knickers in a big twist when they lose to the Sens, so it’s fun for some people to have a go when it happens. Ottawa had a pretty decent record against some east coast teams this season, so this happened quite a bit. It’s usually all in good fun.

@mr.ilikespam6081

17 күн бұрын

I just hate when no one mentions a team but since you are a rival they just start shit talking.

Shane Pinto? We’re just glazing over that? Not having what was your consensus #2 C for half the season? NBD I guess. This team is stacked, core long term, low cap hits comparatively across the league, they’re on the edge, and going to be competitive for a long time

@HarryRiceHockey

17 күн бұрын

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhaa no.

I wouldnt mind Detroit picking up Kubalic again for an upgrade for Fabbri or Sprong if need be. Just saying he was decent for us last year and knows our system

@EricQmarvelous

17 күн бұрын

Kubalik was absolutely horrific for the Senators, just an absolute passenger. Hopefully he can bounce back on another team

Other than Columbus, this is the LAST team I ever think of in the NHL. Irrelevant for so long will do that.

@lawyerd16

17 күн бұрын

It’s also a smaller NHL market in between two huge ones. Lots of fans of those teams don’t think about the Sens until they lose to them. Then they get upset 😅

@abbatoirnoises

17 күн бұрын

Kind of like how Minnesota has been the worst good team for so long I forget they exist. They just live in fringe playoff purgatory.

Arizona should forfeit the owned pick since they got relocated.

I'd say move to Utah ... but ...

they don't

Lassi Thompson is Anaheim Ducks property

@thekingof8

17 күн бұрын

Sens reclaimed him on waivers at the beginning of the season.

Its crazy how foresberg actually had a winning record

Sens better use the relocation of the Arizona Coyotes as their long-warranted wakeup call as to what can happen if teams are horrible for a long time. The leash will be even shorter considering it's a Canadian market. Alos fun fact: No other Canadian market has missed the playoffs for 7 season in a row since the 05 lockout. Let that sink in.

@lawyerd16

17 күн бұрын

Sure but that ignores the fact that they JUST got new ownership. They were prob at higher risk of relocation before Andlauer, although of course no one knows the future for certain. Hoping they’ll get a new arena downtown sooner than later, but that’s been in discussions for years now.

@FFSRay_Sens_Analysis

17 күн бұрын

@@lawyerd16 Idk what to expect tbh. The fans have endured the punching bag role for much longer than the new ownership has. The idea for the new arena has been "being worked on" even before Melnyk was exorcised.

@pa-mo

16 күн бұрын

Sure but it's not that similar. It's more about a passionate fan base that grew up with hockey, than just pure winning (ask the Leafs, who keep getting ejected in round 1, and haven't even won the President's trophy since 1963, and yet still thrive financially). 99% of Arizona citizens have no clue about or couldn't give a crap about hockey (what's ice?), but most in Ottawa do. So the Sens still sell literally 4x as many tickets as Arizona did in the last couple seasons. Will those numbers go down a bit if they keep failing, sure, but never like Arizona. Being the only Canadian team with a 7 year drought is not that surprising given that there's only 7 Canadian teams in the league. Teams like Detroit (which as an Original-6 team is just as hot-headed of an NHL market as Canadian teams) have been out of playoffs for longer, but I think they'll survive!

I would say they need a number 1 goalie so bad its not even funny giving up on Filip Gustavsson was the biggest mistake and then not signing cam talbot killed them and them trying to fix that with Korpisaelo also failed so mabye a trade with the bruins would be a good idea

Easy fix by sending Brady to NJ 😁

@garrettma5758

17 күн бұрын

Maybe in GM mode on NHL 24

@heathclark318

17 күн бұрын

@@garrettma5758 If I play franchise with the Devils, I immediately trade Timo Meier & Siegenthaler for Brady & Sanderson...

@benlemcke2863

17 күн бұрын

You spelled Buffalo wrong. 😄

@lawyerd16

17 күн бұрын

Sure for Jack? Fair. 🤝

Ad a panthers fan I think the sens can turn things around by giving us brady tkachuk and letting him play with his brother.

@lawyerd16

17 күн бұрын

Sure ok, we’ll take Reinhart, Verhaeghe and Barkov in exchange. You can keep Tarasenko. Deal? 🤝

It was the usual soap opera season of sh*te. I just hope the only way is up…

Im seriously worried we are heading into buffalo territory with this team. If we don't get in next year I really think tkachuk asks to me moved. There is no chance we win a trade moving brady out. Then another rebuild/retool would happen but we are losing one of our future 1sts because this idiot dorion didn't do his homework when trading dadonov. Its a mess. Really hard trying to convince myself that they can turn it around next year. Stuck with Korpisalo for the next few years. If he doesn't turn it around we might as well fold the franchise

Most of the core should go and Brady is an assistant and not a captain. For God sake don't let him talk any more, please!

It’s easy to fix: Step 1: Accept you need to rebuild, trade away best players on expiring deals, ideally getting young prospects/centers to build around. Step 2: draft high, in the 3-5 range, hoping for a top 2 pick but preparing to not get that. Step 3: use those picks to get a franchise winger and center, ideally one who could be captain material. Step 4: by this point, young prospects should be good young players now, and your high draft picks will be great young stars. Now we need to fill out the roster with more veterans. Step 5: trade for/sign a veteran player who is still good, maybe a captain from a rebuilding team who’s looking to go elsewhere. This will help mentor the younger core. Step 5: acquire a legit defenseman via trade, be willing to trade a first/second round pick. Now you should have a solid top 3 d core. Step 6: slightly overpay for a UFA goalie, because they’re tough to predict in the draft, and all high picks were used on forwards and maybe a defenseman or two. I don’t see how you could do this and still miss the playoffs.

ooh this team is in trouble for the next 4 seasons. Im predicting it now. The issue is by then will there be any fans watching this team? They cant do anything big for changes thanks to Dorion and Melnyk. Dorion should have never blown the core up completely from 2016. If they didnt, your top line could have been Tkachuk/Zibanejad/Stone. Second line could have had Grieg(or any other veteran left winger) / Pinto / Batherson. Imagine Chabot still with Demelo, and Sanderson with Karlsson? In goal, wouldnt even matter. All this could have happened if they would have stayed the course and built through the draft. Instead, Dorion blew it all up.

@lawyerd16

17 күн бұрын

That’s a bit too “armchair coach”, I’m afraid. That being said, it’s a shame they couldn’t keep more of their top players over the past few years, it was def a problem that upset a lot of fans.

@chrisfortin984

16 күн бұрын

@@lawyerd16 I get guys like Zibanejad wasnt peaking with this system, and was probably going anyways. However guys like Demelo, Stone, Karlsson, Chabot, Batherson were all doing well and should have been your starting core, and they all wanted to stay, so there was no excuse.

@lawyerd16

15 күн бұрын

@@chrisfortin984 Stone should’ve definitely been kept, I saw him as captain material and that’s exactly what Vegas did and he was a big part of their cup run last year. Everyone wanted to keep Karlsson but he hasn’t had the same impact on other teams and his pick turned into Stutzle I believe. Batherson and Chabot are still on the team (?)

@chrisfortin984

14 күн бұрын

@@lawyerd16 Its a "What if they were all here" state. The Stutzle thing fell on Dorion's lap, so Im not counting Stutzle, because everyone thought and expected that pick would be a late first rounder, not a #3 pick. KArlsson was unbelievable in the 2016 playoffs, and before the start of 2018 season, he was traded, so its immature to say he did not have the same impact upon the trade, considering June 2017, Dorion left his partner Marc Methot unprotected and was picked up by Vegas. So its immature to say if Karlsson wasnt as impactful when his partner was snagged by Vegas, which should not have happened.

@lawyerd16

14 күн бұрын

@@chrisfortin984 I’d argue Dorion actually drafted pretty well, but there’s no way they get Stutzle if Karlsson stays. I don’t think you’ll get much disagreement that Dorion made a lot of mistakes, but remember who the owner was at that time. He can’t keep players if they won’t pay them the big bucks. This was a time when Alfie had already severed ties with the team as well. I think it’s far too easy for fans to say this or that should’ve happened in that scenario, years after the fact. Of course I still think that they would’ve done better sticking with some of the veterans, but it’s wishful thinking at this point.

They need to trade Brady to FL 50% retained for a 3rd and 4th

Toronto should trade Mark Giordano to Ottawa.

It's sucks saying this as a sens fan.... but I expect next season to be even a further regression than this one. They will be near the bottom of the league.

They should def trade Brady to NJ.