I think they’re in the 2019-present Capitals and Penguins eras. They’ll keep making the playoffs over the next few years but I wouldn’t expect a ton of success.

@BigAndy813

19 күн бұрын

As a Lightning fan, I agree. After the second straight cup, I came to terms with the fact I had to enjoy it because it won’t last forever

@TheManny717

19 күн бұрын

@@BigAndy813- and your team was super close to becoming a Sunbelt Dynasty by two games. Btw, I was rooting for that outcome because why not. Still, it’s all part of the process of being a fan.

@BigAndy813

19 күн бұрын

@@TheManny717 That Colorado series was nuts. The Bolts were tired and banged up. Not to discredit the Avs. That Avs team was ridiculously good. Nobody would’ve stopped them

@TheManny717

19 күн бұрын

@@BigAndy813 - true. The Avs took advantage of that, which no team will ever feel sorry for. Good luck for next year.

@BigAndy813

19 күн бұрын

@@TheManny717 For sure. And good luck to your team as well, my friend

Considering how great the players are who left after the cups, it’s actually pretty impressive the remaining team can still make the postseason. Probably no team has lost more depth.

Reminds me of the post-Lidstrom era Red Wings.

The window isn't completely closed, but it's going to take a whole host of cards falling the correct way for an actual run to happen again with the current core. Regardless, nearly a decade of contending from 2015-2024ish, not bad. Couple years of retooling and some cap elevating, and the team could compete again the post Stammer/Hedman era.

@EagleFang86

18 күн бұрын

It's closed 😂

Worth noting that they missed the playoffs in 2017 by like one point after a sizzling hot finish nearly got them in.

@Joakim-Jacobsson

19 күн бұрын

Yea i remeber they had a ton of injuries that season. Stamkos played like 20 games. After the deadline they went on an insane run that almost got them into the playoffs

Hedman had over 70 points, and was a +18. At 33, I would say there is good hockey still left. Look how good Pronger, and Chara were at that age. Kucherov is 5 years younger than Marchand, and Crosby. Vasilevsky should still be in his prime for another 3-4 years. In addition to Point, 28, as their elite center, and Sergachev who is a young skillful defenseman. Tampa will have to sort out their depth, but they still have prized pieces to build around for at least 5 more years. They aren't "old".

@chrismdb5686

18 күн бұрын

They're where Pittsburgh was in '19 after winning back to back cups and then having underwhelming performances. They have to not repeat the Pen's mistakes, otherwise they'll go out with a whimper all the same.

That list of players that have left the team is a good roster by itself

Tampa Bay Lightning legend: Korn

I would add the loss of Lalonde to the list of those gone. Their defense has struggled the past couple of seasons and it's not just because of the players they lost.

They are still capable of winning another cup without Stamkos, but their window will be fully closed without Hedman.

My take is that the small chance they had was given in that Jeannot trade. That trade did not work out at all in my opinion, and they dont have the draft picks nor assets necessary to trade to get some depth I believe. Cause the core still played well in the Florida series, they were largely let down by the fact that if Hedman/Kuch/Stamkos werent on the ice, it was game over. Whereas before they had guys like Palat, Cirelli and Johnson, plus McDonagh on the blue line

@Wayf4rer

19 күн бұрын

The black cloud of that trade will follow Jeannot forever, and it sucks for him because it's not his fault. He got hurt in the exact same way Sergachev did when he broke his leg. I'm reserving judgement until we get a full 82 out of him.

@GWh135

18 күн бұрын

@@Wayf4rer I blame JBB way more than I blame Jeannot. He still hits the opponent and puts in an effort, but let’s be real the return they gave Nashville was absolutely ridiculous. No idea how BriseBois was talked into that deal.

@marcus813

18 күн бұрын

@@GWh135 I was never comfortable with what my Bolts gave up for Jeannot. There's no way he'll justify what BriseBois gave up for him.

@randombutrelevant1606

18 күн бұрын

That trade didn't work in anyones opinion.... I was shocked when I saw it, but not shocked how it turned out. Polie must have been wondering if it was a joke... like how is it even possible? 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th pick for that guy?

@MikeS29

18 күн бұрын

Cirelli is still there...

As a Tampa resident and Lightning fan. We had 3 epic seasons. Yes, one ended in heartbreak. But so close to 3 in a row. I'll always remember this run. Some of the most fun I've ever had watching hockey. I think the window has closed for now. But I would not be shocked if we won another if Cooper, Stamkos, and Vassy stay. Along with Kuch and whatnot.

@randombutrelevant1606

18 күн бұрын

It almost sounds like Brisebois might be letting it all go and wanting to start over... he won't, they never do, but cap wise they can't even fit everyone, is there room for both Hedman and Stamkos contract without a steep discount by BOTH players? Even if, where is the depth signings to round out roster?

@busfeet2080

17 күн бұрын

I would be shocked

Cooper is a great coach. Bolts will be in the hunt again next season!

I personally believe that Vasy (understandably because of the competitive player he is) came back too soon. I think he should have rested his back a tad longer. I also understand why he wanted to try all pursuits of therapy before choosing surgery, but the late decision to have it was definitely a factor. I believe he'll be in better form next season. The team has played A LOT of hockey the past half decade.

Players get older and that's just how time works except sometimes for kucharov and sometimes for Ovechkin. Also there was that Time yagr all the sudden got 10 years younger and put up a thousand points in a season

Season ticket holder from day 1. Sounds about right. Great chemistry with players who are gone. Basic monetary facts. Vassy was surely affected by surgery. He was so much of the wins, its hard to explain. You just have to see his magic at full health.

Lightning still have serious pieces.

I love how he shoehorned in a brief explanation of the concept of time lol

Kuch adds to his legend-- Vasi, Stamkos, Hedman, a core that won Cups, along with those third and fourth liners that get moved.

@jfayiii

16 күн бұрын

Don't forget Point - Pointer will not only get his number retired, but also make the Hall. Five HOF in the core. Can't be unhappy about that, at all.

As a Lightning fan, I was really hoping for a Tampa/Winnipeg cup final in 2018 as those are my 2 favorite teams from each conference. This year sucked for me also as the Hockey gods haven't liked me in '18 or '24 year. Crazy that all 3 of THG teams are still in it

Blat and corn, the undisputed tempa legend XD

I think TBL needs a revamp. Lost their bench, older stars. You always lose your bench when you start winning. Stamkos will retire a Bolt and should.

How do you replace Stamkos, but how can you afford to give him the term and AAV he desires? Players don’t usually sign TWO team friendly deals in their careers. Hedman only has a year left and he’s been underpaid as well.

Things will look a lot better for the Lightning next season if they can sign Marchessault in the next few months. That's my prediction. They work out a multi-team player trade and Marchy ends up returning to the team that believed in him originally as a rookie.

Are you going to do the kings as well?? Or did i miss that video?

Stammer will be back for a 3 year deal somewhere I the 5-6mil range. He's getting older, he's made his money and knows he needs to leave some on the table for the team tocbe competitive

Tampa probably could win a cup if Vassy got hot enough, but he hasnt looked the same last few years.

@Wayf4rer

19 күн бұрын

He played well enough for the Lightning to win in the panthers series, they just don't have the depth to match the best teams now.

@rickyrougs

19 күн бұрын

he played exceptionally well behind a bad defense

@people3865

19 күн бұрын

@@Wayf4rer I didn't say he was bad, but he hasn't been that absolute force he was a few years ago.

@Kmartsmart

19 күн бұрын

Regular season wise, it was only this past year he was middling. Before that, every season he’s been stellar

@jamesdickerson3941

19 күн бұрын

That blue line isn't what it was 3 years ago

As a Lightning fan, I think the answer to the title is no, but they can be with the right leadership decisions. The depth is god-awful, and our defense is awful. I think losing one of the only parts of this team that is known to work, Stamkos and Cooper, could be disastrous, but maybe a big shake-up could help. I really don't know what they can do, but as someone who has been a fan of the game since 2010 and watched them go to the finals in 2015 and then two years later not make the playoffs, this team can bounce back. It is possible that 2024-25 might be a worse year than this one. There is very little wiggle room this year for major changes to the lines, especially with no good draft picks or cap space. It could be time for a rebuild, in which case maybe Stamkos and Cooper leaving isn't so bad.

For me the original Yzerman McDonagh/Miller and Sergachev trades laid the foundations for the cups. I know Brisebois made some crucial additions that got them over the line but both the Sergachev contract and Jeannot trade since are steps backwards

@GWh135

18 күн бұрын

Sergachev is a great player worth his contract. The Jeannot trade was BriseBois’ only bad move so far (it was very bad tbf)

Shannon go listen to his exit interview Stankos talking about Kucherov , Hedman Point taking less than market it's the TB way.

I think the Jeannot trade would've made everyone look silly if he hadn't already been carrying a bunch of well-concealed concussion baggage. He can't fight anymore and he's a shell of his former self. Bad luck on probably a shrewd, but excessively risky move.

The group still there in their 20s looks decent enough, Point/ Cirelli/ Hagel/ Paul/ Sergachev/ Cernak plus Vasi would already form a strong #1C, top 6 wing, two top 6 C, and two top-4 D. Fill out the fringes well and they're at least competent

The most beautiful jersey in the ,yet that i can never seem to get my hands on one

"Are you keeding me?"

Dude all the depth we've lost would make a decent squad

Tampas always going to be competitive

I get a little bit of 2016/17 Chicago Blackhawk’s vibes from them after this season. It’ll be interesting to see if they’re going to retain Stamkos or not but if they can’t maybe it feels more like the blackhawks at the end of their dominance where they lost a big piece up front in Panarin and an injury to Vasy completely derails their playoff chances like what happened to Crawford. I’m not a lightning fan and I don’t exactly keep up with them much but maybe they’re better now than Chicago was then but they have questions to be answered going forward. I think they can be right back in that mix again but this will be a big off season for them nonetheless.

tampa mentioned go bolts

Best way hint they can do is trade Stamkos and Hedmen to the highest bidder while they still have value.

Love the old school lightning gear Shannon.

@zarajday

19 күн бұрын

Me too. I actually really don't like the team using the blue uniforms. It looks too much like Toronto. Every time they play each other, I lose track of what team is which if I get distracted.

@CaptainKirk007

19 күн бұрын

@@zarajday Agreed

One more year of tight cap for JBB and then its free-wheeling in 25-26. He has proven he can find diamonds and with a with the top 6 forwards still being elite, the best Goalie in the world, and two horses still on the blue line this team is not even close to a closed door. Syracuse is on a deep playoff run right now so the lack of young depth is not nearly the problem people think it is. Projecting Stammer at $9 Million is absolutely hilarious!! He'll be playing for $5 Million. I love picking apart the Jeanot trade without pointing out all the other moves JBB made that made other GM's look stupid. Also, way too much stock is put on first round picks in the NHL outside of the top 5 and JBB has shown that he builds value with proven assets that fit their mold rather than younger kids that have yet to show they can play at the NHL level. Are the Bolts winning the Cup in 25? No. Can they be there in 26? Absolutely. Oh, and the Leafs Suck!!!!!!

They need a young superstar like Macklin Celebrini and they will be back as favourites. But they likely don't have assets to acquire.

bolts fan from 🇬🇧the run is over time for a retool 💙

I know of an older sports newspaper writer who vehemently insists that a sports dynasty should be defined similarly to a dynasty of kings, which is a series of leaders from the same family or clan or whatever. A sports dynasty would be a franchise that has had multiple stretches of winning by entirely different rosters. By this definition, the New England Patriots would not be a dynasty, since all the Super Bowls were won by the same coach and quarterback. The Canadiens teams of the '40s, '50s, '60s, and '70s would all be one dynasty, as would the Yankees of MLB and the Lakers and Celtics of the NBA. I don't know about other possible dynasties from the late 1800s and early 1900s.

they wouldn’t have gotten those cups without corn

Sadly a lot of fans discredit Kucherov. He deserves to be mentioned amongst the best in the league. Some fans just hate him and the lightning. They will call people insane for comparing him to McDavid, Mackinnon etc

@TheDraftReport

19 күн бұрын

To me Kucherov is the clear cut second best player of his era behind only McDavid, and there are more than enough facts to back that statement up. The ONLY player who has ever managed to outscore Connor McDavid with his own 130/140-point seasons is Kuch. Back-to-back 30-plus playoff point campaigns (only he, Gretzky and Lemieux can say they’ve done that). Only Gretzky, Lemieux and Kuch have reached both 40 goals and 100 assists in the same season. I could go on and on. Kucherov is grossly underrated. One of the greatest players to ever lace them up. That’s an indisputable fact

Winnipeg Jets should at least talk to Jon Cooper since the entire hockey world is saying Berube will likely go to the Leafs

@Tharley87

19 күн бұрын

He just signed an extension in Tampa.

@ryanroddy15

11 күн бұрын

He’s under contract so they cant

I think the "window" is closed. They kinda remind me of the Red wings in the early 2010s, where they were a playoff team looking to get hot at the right time. But, unless they get that depth back (which I think is unlikely due to the cap), I think their run is over. I agree with you that they need to start acquiring draft pick and prospects, not trading them. I hope Stamkos and Hedman stay for the rest of their careers, they've earned it, but they need to start thinking about the future. Go Lightning! ⚡️⚡️⚡️

Kucherov, Hedman and Point are elite game breaking talents and Stammer should be good for 30-plus goals every year until he’s in his late 30s. If Vasy rediscovers his game then Tampa could easily make another Cup run. Their middle six and defense corps require some upgrades too, in my opinion, but I don’t think that’s an impossibility by any stretch.

Their time as contenders is over, but I could see them retool and be right back in the mix.

3 chips within 10 years should be considered a dynasty or at least 3 in 5, Black Hawks to me count as one in the 2010s

Tampa still has one of the best rosters in the league, but there are some big gaps on the blue line and there was a big lack of effort in the playoffs this year. They are still good enough to make some deep runs but I’m not sure how many years they have left with the core.

Yes

losing that goated third line from 2021 was what really killed us. slowly losing everything else didn't help much either. the top guys are great but we dont have any depth. i would be happy missing the next couple playoffs and giving it another go with some new pieces. go bolts ⚡️⚡️⚡️

If we get stammer signed around 5to 6. Trade Cernak and perbix. That will free up over 6 trad for a big D some one like Chychrun gives us 4 to 5 good shooting defensemen. And 1 or 2 bottom 6 forwards via trade and free agent. Should be fine. My opinion

I still believe this core has one more deep playoff run in them. Even if it doesn't result in another Stanley Cup, the Lightning have had more success in the past decade than any other team by a long shot and I can take solace in that.

Two first round exits in a row. They're basically the leafs now

I think they are. Too much star power that have been playing well as they age. I think the forward depth and defensive depth needs to be sorted to a degree. I don't think Blashill should be their defensive coach, another option there would be a good idea. With the cap going up it could easily help them figure out resigning Stammer and Heddy plus sort the depth with a trade if needed to help.

To me, they are at their best a 3rd/wildcard contender barring a single injury to the 4 players who drive the team. Stamkos will be back at a team friendly contract

Not the team they used to be for sure, but I don't really take much from bowing out to the Panthers, that team is putting up 5-6 on the Bruins too. EDIT: On the separate note, the time to stop trading first round picks was 2 seasons ago for JBB.

If they keep stammers than they would be serious about the next cup run. Stammer is the greatest lightning of all time and would be dishonorable to let him play somewhere else.

If stamkos doesn't come back on a team friendly deal then it's kind of a disaster. Either he albatrosses the team with a huge contract or he leaves for nothing when they could've traded him at the deadline.

@chrismdb5686

18 күн бұрын

Third option: team friendly deal to try and win one more

As a Lightning fan, honestly, I’m ok if this core doesn’t have another deep run in them. I wouldn’t mind missing the playoffs for the next few year if it means retooling and competing for another cup in 5 years or so. Point is, I don’t wanna be the mid teens to early 20’s Red Wings and I honestly think that these players have already done so much.

Ngl instead of being first round exits every year like capitals and penguins, rebuild would be more fun for me ngl lmaoo

BrieBois has to acquire some quality depth beyond the core and Nick Paul. The depth that carried the Bolts to 2 Cup titles is gone. I'm not sure how many more runs Stammer, Heddy, Kuch and Vasy have in them, so BriseBois needs to choose wisely.

Nah the window is closed. Idk if the lightning even make the playoffs next year, kuch had to have a miracle szn to drag us there. Big changes are coming to Tampa i believe

they need to do a few serious changes to make themselves contenders again. They got their titles on the back of just smothering their opponents with insane offense, they dont have that ability anymore.

They’re not far away from 110 points in the regular season, but also not far from 88 points. Playoff miss is very possible.

The blue line is what concerns me the most about this team. Heddy isn’t getting younger, losing Serg clearly hurt (hope he comes back to the player we saw in 2022-23), Cernak is way too injury prone to justify his contract imo, and the rest don’t inspire me for the future.

They are still competitive but no longer top contenders.

Hagel!

My moves for my bolts id love to see Trades Connor sheary 6th round and a midter prospect Trade tanner 5th and a depth dman Trade perbix 3rd and midter prospect Let stamkos walk if he wants more than 3x8 Sign duclair 3x4 , brett pesce 4x6.75 Brandon duhaime 2x1.95

Cats are taking over Florida

I see Vasy lasting one more year and Tampa we’ll be a much different team for sure next season. I think Stamkos will sign somewhere else.

They need to reassemble the team… get some players in their primes, and stop that rubish by replacing talent with size… 🤷🏻‍♂️

I think with how good the panthers are now we won’t see tampa make the semi finals for a few years i think there dynasty days are over they won’t be cup contenders for about 6 or more years

No. I don’t think they’re a cup team anymore, but like I said with Las Vegas, this team won cups. There comes a time when you have to slow things down, and with Tampa, we are there. This team’s depth has been eroded away, and we know about Tampa’s cap situation. I feel like some mediocrity for the Lightning wouldn’t be bad next season if it meant replenishing their depth for beyond. But like I said with Vegas too, they haven’t had many draft picks lately so there likely isn’t someone that will come up and lead a young group of Lightning players. Do you look at moving a core piece? Honestly, maybe. I don’t think this team is a cup contender at this point, maybe it’s something to consider (I know they won’t, but that’s just my opinion). All this comes from a Lightning fan btw, so there are some biases in my explanation. That’s just me though

Every star fades.

Definitely not nitpicking since I don't mind whatever you do or don't call it, but I have a feeling the definition of dynasty is going to have to be changed. It's too rare now, only the Blackhawks are even close (3 in 6 years).

No sir, but that's not their job. They just have to be good enough to make the Leafs cry in round 1. The atlantic belongs to the Panthers for the next few years, Tampa might as well take a rest.

@feaster79

19 күн бұрын

Unlikely for Florida.... They have 10-11 UFA this season cant afford them all...

@OWlsfordshire

19 күн бұрын

@feaster79 Players want to play for FL and will take a low deal like Forsling just did after leading the league in +/-.

@GWh135

18 күн бұрын

@@OWlsfordshire Players wanted to stay in Tampa too but it just couldn’t happen. When you have that many UFAs and battling the cap, most of them just won’t work out a deal.

@OWlsfordshire

18 күн бұрын

@GWh135 Tampa still has all their top players. They are just old as shit and worn out from 3 years of a full playoff push. Take a look at the Blues. They lost 90% of their championship team 2-3 years after winning. Now that's a problem.

@GWh135

18 күн бұрын

@@OWlsfordshire The only players that are “old as shit” are Stamkos and Hedman, and they aren’t even THAT old. They still have a solid 3-4 years of good hockey left minimum.

I said it 2 years ago when they lost to the avs.... NO

Brayden Point, Nikita Kucherov, Steven Stamkos (he's staying), Victor Hedman, Mikhail Sergachev, Anthony Cirelli, Brandon Hagel, Nick Paul, Erik Cernak, Andrei Vasilevskiy. That's a hell of a core. Add in Jon Cooper and I'd say the door is wide, wide, open. They got exhausted going to three finals in a row (winning two), and lost to Toronto because of it, and ran into a buzz saw with Florida. They haven't gone away. They will be solid next year, while the Leafs (and Bruins) miss the playoffs.

@Flaris

19 күн бұрын

The door is wide open while admitting that they aren't a match for Florida? That buzz saw isn't going anywhere. Showing a lack of confidence in trying to bury teams that finished ahead of Tampa.

@MikeS29

19 күн бұрын

⁠- this year Florida had their number. Florida is a wagon. The Bolts’ window is wide open.

@GWh135

18 күн бұрын

Everyone is counting out Tampa but they’ve really gotten unlucky matchups the last couple playoffs. Maybe next year they will have a more favorable first round matchup to create some momentum, assuming they make the playoffs.

@MikeS29

18 күн бұрын

@@Flaris - they weren't this year, but had beat them two straight years, including a sweep. Do you think there is only one team that can have the "window open" or can many teams be in their windows? Florida is certainly in theirs this year also.

Honestly I think it’s over for now. Not getting any younger. Rebuild coming in the next few years.

Everyone looked damn sleepy during the Florida series, especially the power play. Need to get younger

People pointing out they had 18M in LTIR don't have a point. People pointing out they got an 8M player back for free for playoffs do

They are going to pay in the next few years for their moves to get the cups . With very few draft picks I can see some lean years ahead .

Nope. RD-2 tops, I’d say. They still have fine individual players but no reliable backup for Vasilevskiy and they’re already talking about dealing important pieces like Cernak to stay under the cap, and still sign certain others they’d like to keep.

The answer to the headline is "NO." their defense is not good at all. Replace that and they COULD be contenders. But no one in the NHL wants to play defense.... doesnt pay like a flashy forward.

I think Tampa will keep slowly declining until eventually a rebuild happens just like Vegas. Both were built for short-term success and won it all, but now the cost of trading away good draft picks starts to hurt in the long-term.

@73Ambassador

19 күн бұрын

Agree 💯

@JHockeyFan

19 күн бұрын

Tampa was built for long term success until they weren’t. Contenders from 2014-2023ish

@73Ambassador

19 күн бұрын

@@JHockeyFan As a Tampa fan, I somewhat disagree. I didn't feel confident in them as a deep contender until the 2018 playoffs and then of course we were humiliated in 2019 after a record season. Since 2022's heartbreaking cup final loss going for the threepeat, I've noticed the slow decline the other guy refers to.

The Cooper Lightning are a dynasty, saying other wise discredits your objectiveness.

the official definition of a dynasty needs to be changed. 3 in 4 years is nuts and virtually impossible to do these days and even back in the day. Surely 3 titles in 5 years OR 2 titles and a finals appearance in 4 years.

@MDK2_Radio

18 күн бұрын

It’s not a dynasty if they’re not frustrating the rest of the league (especially top contenders) on a steady basis. Parity thanks to the salary cap (among other factors) may make it nearly for a dynasty to be, but that’s not a reason to dilute its meaning.

The window is still open, but their time as one of those top 5 teams every year is over. I'd expect them to go the way of the current Penguins. Too good to give up, not good enough to go all the way.

NHL fan at large here..Tampa has brought a lot of great hockey to watch. Loved the Cooper coaching ..a long list of great players..exciting postseason runs and winning Cups….A team identity to emulate. 🏒🥅🌟🏆🏆✨

No, but they’ll always be in my heart

@comefwtee

18 күн бұрын

If they draft and develop well and find solid depth pieces, they could run it back with the current core like the 00s Red Wings

Lilleberg and Tomcat where great for Tampa. Tomcat should replace JoJo as backup and Lilleberg should be in the NHL There are a lot of good players in Syracuse ready to get called up. They are still a contender if toronto and Cane's are

Great video Shannon! Today is a great day to resign stammer! #boltsfan

I think if you win 3 Stanely Cups in 5 calendar years, you are a dynasty.

@flarrfan

19 күн бұрын

^ Blackhawks fan!

they didnt have sergachev imo the window is not closed yet .

@johannespitkamaki1369

19 күн бұрын

How one top 4 defender changes anything? Hes 20-30point producer nothing special. Its over

@GWh135

18 күн бұрын

@@johannespitkamaki1369 Sergachev puts up 40-50 points when he’s not battling injuries and is very effective in his own zone.

@habinations

18 күн бұрын

@@GWh135 well said

@johannespitkamaki1369

18 күн бұрын

@@GWh135 still, wont make any diff

@GWh135

18 күн бұрын

@@johannespitkamaki1369 He’s a stalwart for Tampa and one of their best playoff performers. He will soon be considered an elite D-man around the league once he can play a full season. He’s expected to take over Hedman’s spot on the first pairing relatively soon.

Interesting title. Tampa Bay is out this year, I would say "no".

343rd YES IM AWESOME